>Question of the day:
Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?
>What is Android: Netrunner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAslVfZ9p-Y [Embed] [Embed]
>Android Netrunner Official FFG News & Spoilers:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/tag/android-netrunner-the-card-game/
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/24049/netrunner-spoilers
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-card-spoilers
>Floor rules
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/66/62/66628aed-d2e3-41c3-9ea2-1caae96b104f/adn-floor-rules.pdf
>Official FAQ (post-MWL), Compendium on rulings, and common mistakes
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/c9/e5/c9e522d2-d9f6-4053-9a80-684198c25fa5/adn_faq_v301.pdf
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Project_ANCUR_Wiki
https://www.reddit.com/r/postalelf/comments/2sm1d2/welcome_to_netrunner/
>Netrunner Card List and Data Pack Details:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://blackat.co.uk
http://acoo.net
https://github.com/shyndman/ono-sendai (You’ll need to build it yourself)
>Deckbuilding Resources:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://meteor.stimhack.com/
http://acoo.net
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder (not recommended)
>Articles and Blogs:
http://teamcovenant.com/blog/category/netrunner-lcg/
http://cardgamedb.com/index.php/index.html/_/android-netrunner
http://stimhack.com/
>Podcasts
http://runlastclick.blogspot.ca/
http://canlaugh.com/nerdrunners/
http://www.northerngamingnetwork.com/tagme/
http://thewinningagenda.com/
>>47180138
>>47190492
Thanks for the responses. So it's basically:
Game plan -> cards that support game plan -> economy -> add-ons
I guess that means splashing out of faction cards first if they contribute the most then?
Going to be playing in my first tournament next week (only a game night kit). Have only played kitchen table matches with a couple of mates previously. Any general tips for playing competitions? Have a good sense of the card pool, so that'll be fine. Meta will be unknown which is also fine. Don't want to commit any faux pas while I'm there.
A bit more on topic: really excited to try out bazaar in my spy camera geist deck once it drops at my lgs (aussie bro so shipping is slow)
>>47195306
Don't play to win, just play to have fun.
That isn't to say play to lose but just make sure you're having fun rather than stressing over every move or you'll overthink it
>>47195458
That's the plan! I'm not expecting to set the world on fire. It's a small tournament, so I'm just hoping to get a promo of some kind. I'll report back on my results in the general next week.
>>47196374
Good luck! What decks are you thinking of bringing if you don't mind sharing
>>47196429
Thanks. Don't have the exact lists on mobile. On the runner side I'm going with a logos, archive interface, leela build. On the corp side it's a fast advance titan build with some janky dedication ceremony and grndl refinery+reversed accounts shenanigans.
I can post full lists tomorrow (it's Wednesday evening my time).
>>47193227
Based on two cards we have with her quotes on them my bet would that she'd trash viruses for effects.
The real question at the moment is what card with her art "Rumor Mill" current will do?
>>47193227
Mark my words, she's gonna draw a card every time the Corp purges virus.
>Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?
Whatever the hell she damn wants.
Also, I can feel the jank overtaking me; as much as I'm not liking Null, all I can think about is playing him with Darwin.
>>47195306
>A bit more on topic: really excited to try out bazaar in my spy camera geist deck once it drops at my lgs (aussie bro so shipping is slow)
Now, *that* looks lovely...
>>47197667
I'm guessing it's the Bazaar-Replicator combo to install all spy cameras. Just Bazaar is fine but not quite.
>>47197532
said art
>>47197682
Think so from past thread, yeah.
>>47197735
Install a cat.
Each time player pets the cat, he or she must skip his next turn.
Is this card going to be the next shaper autoinclude? It's just good all-around.
>>47197750
>cat decks
Oh god yes please.
>>47197854
It's fairly good, isn't it? If it's not firing, you're in a good place, if it is, well things are getting balanced back up in your favor.
I'm much more wondering about the questions from last thread about corp low-econ play and runner high econ hurt...
>>47197854
Yeah, really does look good.
Though with the corps scared and using more hostile measures than normal I'd guess that connection trashing (and just trashing in general) may be on the rise
>>47197854
For those reading and not gettign what the card does.
>>47198150
Invasion of Personal Space
Operation Condition
Install a cat on one of the runner's card and treat that cat as a hosted condition counter with the text "the runner cannot use the hosting card until the cat is removed".
>>47198354 Meant to answer >>47197871
Damn it.
>>47198268
I wonder what Observe and Destroy does... Did FFG and NBN finally go too far and give NBN meat damage? Or perhaps it's for resource trashing?
Anyone have ideas about what they'll do when Ankusa comes out?
Do you think Fisk will try to make room for it?
>>47198869
I think jank decks are going to play it. And nobody else.
It would be fun to see it with Fisk. Although I prefer some False Echo shenanigans.
>>47198869
Before anyone tries to theorycraft with it, note that all subroutines have to be broken by Ankusa alone in order to bounce the ice to HQ. So Quetzal, Grappling Hook, e3, none of them can discount its two-credits-per-sub
>>47198919
Yeah, that's the real struggle, 8 credits to return a Spiderweb back to HQ is a bit pricy. It adds to the tax of having to rez it again, but I wonder if it's really worth it, since crescentus does almost the same (not counting install costs).
>>47198958
I think that's something I would want on a dino or with a personal touch - it's very good, but you pay a lot for the power
Also it could replace morningstar here, which would look cool
>>47197682
Bazaar Netchip. How many would you include? 2? 3? Honestly even 4 seems excesive. Although it means I can install MO, Paintbrush, Keyhole and Sneakdoor Beta.
Best memory solution for the professor?
>>47199716
consumer grade cards were awful bulk status cards that took up 6 slots in data packs
extremely disappointed.
>>47199876
I disagree. Both Ramujan and spy camera are great in big numbers, plus they have a trashable effect to encourage including all of them. Netchip on the other hand tops its benefit at 4 with Endless Hunger, followed by Hyperdriver with 3 MU. Most often it's needed for only 2 MU. So you sleeve in maybe 2-3 NetChips so you can host whatever in it by the second one.
Best card in the cycle.
>>47197735
Wait a minute. Princess Space Kitten's on a card called "Rumor Mill." I'm betting that they're not releasing an ID or connection just to mess with us.FFG, judging from before, I know you're clever enough to do this on purpose. You magnificent bastards.
>>47201395
Best corp card
>>47201395
It's like a party in your Rig and everyone's invited!
>>47201395
It might be usable if combined with a deck that wants to spam Clots?
>>47198958
That card is one of my big disappointment so far in that I haven't see *anyone* even try to play it yet. So much jank potential.
>>47202881
No need for Clot if you can just lock R&D with Medium or whatever.
MFW I realize we won't see 23 Seconds till Worlds.
>>47204538
tinkering it then bounce all dem glacier ice ?
>>47206709
The thing I think given how expensive it is, is being able to abuse windows, like compare paying through Eli 4 times with Corroder (4*4=16) or paying once to throw it back (10) and then running the server three more times for free - say Keyhole x 4...
Now add Diwan on top of that to tax install and reinstall, and it could have some potential.
Very narrow though... Probably something you'd play in a Professor tool kit as a one off and just SMC if the math happens to be on your side.
I do like the idea of forcing servers naked.
>>47206704
I'm more worried that we know the Anarch ID for the Flashpoint cycle already, yet are still waiting on the Mumbad one.
Still good? Overcosted?
>>47208195
David has turned this into shit. Spooned + 1 Token to trash 8 cost ice.
>>47208303
Wouldn't go as far as shit. More risky, certainly. Which is probably a good thing when you're down to it.
>>47206704
Given the theme of the Flashpoint Cycle, I wonder if this will be the cycle where they will start replacing the stronger First and Second cycle cards.
>>47211250
They already started
>>47214940
My Crisium servers.
>>47215834
That trace though...
>>47216034
Honestly, any bigger it would be sketchy.
>>47216820
Yeah, that's fair, was just teasing...
Was thinking, would Political Dealings be worth it in Biotech? Can use it to close he game, to bait runs by threatening a Niseai Mk2 score...
>>47218671
Political Dealings is probably always worth it, if you can protect it. Specially if you can find an extra advancement for the card: Biotech, SanSan, Biotic Labor, Trick of Lights. My favourite would be Tennin, but I need Agroplex for that.
Theory: It's APEX.
>>47220100
Complement-Theory: the 23 seconds was Apex's doing. The mother of all Account Siphon. At the other side of Apex's black hole is a white fountain counter AI phenomenon resulting from the very process of Apex's existence.
Let's call it Nadir - to fit with the netrunner tradition of cards with similar sounding names that breed confusion.
Apex is centrifugal to Nadir's centripetal.
Information comes from Nadir while nothing comes in. Units come to make sense by analogical process of forcing elements onto one another until they coalesce and endure.
The culture of non-sense, of disconnect between message content and tone brought by the information age makes for a perfect breeding ground for such units.
Princess Space Kitten is the name of a Nadir outward port mistakenly taken to be human.
(And now you know why I don't DM sci-fi games)
>>47220607
>(And now you know why I don't DM sci-fi games)
Then start, this is a great idea for a pulpy Star Trek kind of campaign.
Just passing through to thank you all for introducing me to this game. While for a while I can only play on-line, it has proven that card games can be fun again.
>>47222367
Glad you're enjoying it. Have a great time.
>>47220803
Thanks. I guess I just don't have the right crowd.
>>47218923
Political Dealings does have the markings of a good card. I was more thinking the other way around:what to use with Bioethics. Card that prove good use whatever variation you chose at the start of the game.
Street date for liberated mind is 25th, so we should start seeing those last 8 cards soon enough
Reckon we'll get 3 IDs?
>>47222783
That's what they said at the start of the cycle. Maybe they take it back because having 3 IDs in the same cycle is not only weird, but puts a lot of pressure on those identities and support cards, giving in to another Caissa/B&E situation.
In this case we are supposed to get Weyland, HB, and anarch identities, and for some reason I get the feeling that these are, once again, going to break the meta just like MCH and alliance did out of IG.
We can try and guess some:
Starting with anarchs, we have 3 distinct themes portrayed in anarch cards:
a) Political discontent with cards like Run Amok, Political Graffiti, EMP Device, Fear the Masses, and Bhagat.
b) Philosophical venues with Empty Mind and Diwan.
c) General poverty with Ramujan, Street Magic, and Salsette Slums, that can tie up with a)
I'm not sure where to put Making an Appearance, it can be played as either of those.
Now, given the card is coming in the Liberated Mind pack, I'm guessing the character is going to be, at least in part, motivated by that philosophy, and using it to support his career at ruining the Corp's parade.
What does it mean? It means the card can potentially do anything.
Next is HB, looking through the cards I see 2 particular themes that catches my attention: Hoppers and Clone support, and I doubt HB will fund an entire division to support clones so I'm going with Hoppers this cycle the same way they did Cybernetics the last cycle.
So yeah, I think this means we are getting a Lakshmi Division that probably gets a benefit from the Runner runs. Maybe a credit or a card the first time each turn the Runner runs. Just like Advanced Concept Hopper.
Last we have Weyland, dominating the scene from the background they get the chance to expand their power. I think it's clear we are getting a Construction division of some kind. It would be great if we could add an advacement token on a face up card the first time we create a new server each turn.
What do you think?
>>47222783
>>47223357
Really hopeful about the IDs myself. A good ID brings about new ways to play. Make come into being lots of disparate cards and tactical options into full fledge-on strategies.
Three IDs in one pack is certainly going to be a mouthful tough, yeah.
Given the cards selection, I wonder if anarch aren't going to get some taxing ID again.
Weyland we have two angles, the political, and the construction. I wonder if and how they'll marry the two. Would an ID that somehow get a bonus of sort with public agendas be too narrow?
Given the agenda selection, the HB ID does seem about impacting the runner, yeah. I wonder if an ID doubling down on that would be too much?
>>47223357
>add an advacement token on a face up card the first time we create a new server each turn.
not really a fan - it's too NEH, and BWBI hasn't been retired yet, so I don't think that'd be good
HB, yeah they're doing two things in Mumbad, trying to screw over Jinteki and making stuff. I agree with you that the ID could affect the runner, as that's what all their agendas are doing, but as >>47223780 says, doubling down might be too much.
With Weyland I think they'll tap into the political side, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ID and their alliance Operation are closely linked, but what they'll do is a mystery. Weyland have done tutoring (and money ofc) so far, but that's all kind of enabling stuff to be done, rather than doing. Other than MCC, which is pretty rad
As for anarch, yeah, not sure what they'll go with, but I'm excited
>>47223357
I like how Weyland's cards are all incredibly subtle - construction work, dedication ceremonies, behind the scenes politics - then suddenly there's Subcontract and someone's dead. Has anybody used New Construction though? It kinda looks like it's trying to get Weyland into shell games, which isn't really it's forte.
Also, the punk character in Making an Appearance, Emptied Mind etc. isn't MaxX is it? She looks a little different, though it probably is her.
>>47223780
Maybe the Weyland ID would let you install agendas face up and gain a bonus? That'd be interesting.
>>47225648
"Whenever you install an agenda, you may install it face up. If you do, you may place an advancement counter on it at the start of your next turn."
>>47222783
I think there's unlikely to be even 1 ID in the pack.
It seems that the notion that there would be an ID for every faction was misinterpretation of a sentence in the Mumbad announcement that actually intended to say that the would be IDs spread across all factions.
>>47226590
That would be disappointing.
Likely as it sounds.
>>47226590
>Throughout the cycle, you'll also find new contacts, new agendas, new region upgrades, and new identities for each of the game's seven factions.
Oh fuck, you might be right. Fire this shithead copy editor, Christ alive.
Can I trash the console Forger even if there is no tag to be avoided or removed?
>>47228135
Nope, its like how you cant scavenge a Lady if there are no valid scavenge targets in your heap
>>47225648
>Has anybody used New Construction
Yeah, it's my preferred Public in a wide Gagarin deck, turtlebacks can make it as good as Oaktown
Haven't used the overadvance yet though
>>47229030
Do you use cards to have a bigger HQ too? I get the feeling that I don't want to install/advance New Construction unless I already have plenty of cards in HQ to install.
>>47197854
Oh damn, she has CV dazzle applied. That really cool.New card-fu?
>>47230749
you mean this? >>47198268
>>47230763
Is it not the same thing? Did i not link to the card art?
>>47230826
I have no idea what you meant with the new card-fu then
>>47230852
Probably waifu + card
>>47226231
How about
"Whenever you install an agenda, you may install it face up.
If you have an agenda installed face up, at the start of your turn, you may advance a card."
instead of the usual 'place an advancement token'. Too strong?
>>47230623
I rarely care that much about hand size when I'm not using scorch, but I do tend to have assets anyway - wide Gagarin asset spam may be a bit cheesy, but it works.
If I have a second new construction, Lakshmi and another asset (or an unrezed asset already out), unless they have film critic I can just score naked
>>47231832
No, that's prefect. That advanceable ICE synergy.
>>47231832
That does sound potentially strong, but at first glance not broken.
With a IAA and now AAAA sequence of turns you can benefit twice from 4/2 public agendas over-advance effect.
With a hollywood on the table, you can score it in a normal window and put 7 advancement tokens out in the process.
Underway trashes 9 cards to the heap....
And then of course just advancing ICE.
Underway Renovation mill vs Faust. Would it work?
>>47231832
It should say "place an advancement counter on a card that can be advanced" or "advance without paying any costs".
>>47231937
I've had some fun with it in some Argus builds, especially coupling it with Casting Call. High variance, but getting two Déjà Vu and two Faust
off early game is really a nice feeling.
Add Khala Ghoda real TV, and maybe some Blacklist/Students loans along the NBN alliance cards and I think we may have something.
>>47232009
Blacklist would be the king, but defending it would be a job, even with Hive and things
>>47231967
The key thing is to let any "if this card is advanced" effects to fire as in >>47231922, since just placing tokens doesn't do that. No cost is probably a bit too much, though you do need to protect the agenda for atleast one turn I guess.I'm sad this card will never happen now.
>>47231937
Given the amount of recursion Runners tend to have, the tempo hit from advancing Underway is just too much to make it the main strategy, and the effects could end up negligible from a single Levy AR Lab Access. It's fine as an extra thing on top of the normal game plan though, and probably best against a Faust deck than any other. Never thought of using Blacklist either, which might be interesting. Maybe Salem's to knock out any recursion cards in hand?
>>47232205
>No cost is probably a bit too much
Without that text it sounds like you still have to spend the click.
>>47232240
Given that it fires during "at the start of your turn/when your turn begins" you wouldn't have any clicks to spend though. But I agree that it could use some clarity, maybe "you may spend 1 credit to advance a card at no cost"? Kind of like how Eater has "access 0 cards".
>>47234218
>Given that it fires during "at the start of your turn/when your turn begins" you wouldn't have any clicks to spend though.
You have clicks as soon as it's your turn, see Wyldside.
>>47234278
Ohh right, I was mistakenly thinking about the rez window before the start of the turn, my bad.
So Sunny is getting some support in an upcoming datapack, what would you like to see for apex and adam?
>>47234713
>white woman
>hindu kids
Diversity!
>>47234713
>tfw we never get an criminal sunny after the corps don't pay out
>tfw we never get an anarch adam who wants to burn the corps to the ground for limiting his brain
>tfw we never get shaper apex who just wants to eat some code and make some code
why even live?
>>47234740
Her partner is a woman, so of course they are not her biological kids.
>>47234713
More early pressure for Adam, maybe a run event.
Apex needs something to counter destroyers. Maybe something that allows you to trash another installed card instead of the card that was originally trashed (maybe not limited to programs).
>>47234768
>tfw we never get an criminal sunny after the corps don't pay out
Corps don't pay her, GlobalSec does. Corps pay the criminals, see Security testing.
She'd never go Criminal, she's got a family to care for. She might go Anarch to protect them from the corps or in vengeance if they did something to them.
>tfw we never get an anarch adam who wants to burn the corps to the ground for limiting his brain
That's just regular Adam.
>tfw we never get shaper apex who just wants to eat some code and make some code
pic related is my face when I'll never program beautiful AI children and teach them to be human
>>47234902
>Her partner is a woman, so of course they are not her biological kids.
Well actually, a woman can go and get inseminated in a clinic from a sperm donor to have her own biological kids. Although these kids might take after her partner and not her. Adoption is not necessarily the only choice, just another option.
>>47234974
True, maybe her partner did that.
>>47234713
Knowing those kids are Sunny's raises a lot of questions.
>Were they affected by Ramujan, since the implication is that the net/brain damage hits other people?
>If the kids were adopted, did she adopt them after the incident? If so, why was the Ramujan card released after Sunny?
>If they were not adopted, and Ramujan did happen during the elections, how did they get hit by those things in the first place?
Netrunner's flavour and lore is so nice.
On-topic, can't say anything about card effects since I haven't played either of them much, so hopefully some cards that subtly reveals more about Apex and Adam in the same vein as Sunny's pops up.
>>47235812
I think Ramujan does not simply redirect the damage, it spreads it out among all users, so the individual damage is negligible.
>>47193227
>Question of the day:
>Whats Princess Space Kitten gonna do?
Be a 40 card Anarch deck that doesn't run AI.
>>47232205
Underway alone, no (though I have very fond memories of that game where, having scored a Utopia Fragment first, I just kept advancing Underway out of stealing reach of the runner until I had done away with the whole stack. Immensely satisfying), but when you start adding other cards that follow the same overall strategy of card exhaustion and with a bit of econ warfare on the side, and we're going somewhere.
The biggest problem remains the proportion of advancement clicks you have to spend on cards for the effect.
Just going IA-AAA for underway allows you to deal with 7 cards of the runner, which is honorable, but then you spend 5 creds and clicks on 1 agenda point. So I think you do have to go high-value agenda apart from Underway.
Another ay to look at it is with Casting Call: I don't ever expect to score it, unless victory is at hand, the purpose it to make the runner pay way more than it's worth either way.
There's a deck here. I don't know about competitive, but certainly workable, and interesting.
>>47235918
That seems a bit too nice for anarchs to do though. I kinda figured them for the damn the consequences faction, with a few scrupulous, well as far as pro-human scruples goes, faction.
Does anyone have an "updated" profile of what can each faction do? Most I find is a couple of years old, and don't ring true given some of the builds I have seen so far.
I know the game is very flexible, but I have a bit of a hard time fully understanding where each faction strong points and weakpoints are, for the most part...
What is the more FUN anarch deck? Where does it put its focus? It's anarch really fun? Should anarch be fun?
>>47239426
Depends on you definition of fun.
I've been playing a silly MaxX Pancake Crusade Funding using loads of doubles or my Quetzal Eater/Origami/Duggar/Stim Dealer... and those were certainly not my best winning decks I had a lot of fun.
Or Reina dedicated Caîssa build with some lone core breaker support.
>>47234713
It is even a fairly good card.
Will be interesting to see what Apex and Adam get, I am kind of hoping a breaker for Adam and some kind of econ card for Apex.
>>47235812
>adopted
well two women dont typically make a baby
>>47241577
Can we please not have this sexist bullshit in /ANRG/.
The Amazons of Lesbos produced off spring for hundreds of years before men tainted their shores. Never spread the likes of the white man, learn the try historical feminist science.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/13/battle-of-the-trident/
Looks like they are testing player involvement again. Lets hope they don't fuck it up this time.
>>47242247
I hope the Maester one wins
>>47242247
Jeeves is now an identity
>>47242247
Players picked the worse option both times they got to pick...
>>47234902
I want Apex to get a current that has "Once per turn, when you encounter a piece of Ice, you may have it get -2 strength and gain End the Run after all its other subroutines until the end of the run."
Powers up Prey AND enables Endless Hunger + E3!
>>47242498
Collective is way older than Jeeves. It lost to Laramy Fisk in the Plugged In Tour.
>>47243905
Wait so the collective will never be released?!
>>47244217
Yep. A lot of people at the time thought they'd be game-breakingly powerful, and voted for Fisk as a protest vote.
I voted for Fisk because we were promised support cards that wouldn't make him as shitty as he looked and I was curious. Clearly that panned out.
>>47242570
Wrong. HBCP was an awful idea and I'm glad the Euro community knew better.
>>47244282
Fuck man
That looked like a cool Id
>>47244353
HBCP was amazing and I still use it on OCTGN to this day.
DBZero has died from a beanbag to the chest during an anti-trump protest.
My he forever be in our minds as the person who bought Netrunner to the internet.
>>47235812
What if they were in fact clones after the originals(?) had their heads explode from Ramujan?
>>47245427
Fuck that's an awesome ID
>>47245427
Don't get our hopes up.
>>47238035
It doesn't matter what the Anarchs would do, the product is consumer grade, as in made by corps.
I think it was the right call on Fisk. Let's give the man time for good; he's at least interesting to play right now.
HB Chronos... I still love the idea of it being instrumental in forcing competitive runners into less efficient builds as protection from it.
We'll never know now.
Overall I'm glad FFG's not doing this anymore, since each time I was more thinking about how we were going to lose a cool ID for no good reason.
>>47246861
The street find its use. Companies created samplers as a way to get better quality chords for cheaper price in prod. That's not how people ended up using them.
So yeah, corps made consumer grade stuff. Doesn't mean they thought other would use them the way they ended up being used. Nor that they even envisioned it.
>>47247048
I don't think they would make Anarchs THAT evil. They are clone sacrificing and rioting evil, not giving little kids brain damage evil.
>>47247078
>some men just want to watch the world burn.
With whom do you play anr guys? How big is your meta?
>>47247078
I don't know about evil. Spread the one million dollar debt that's the death of one between a billion people, and suddenly it isn't even a mosquito bite to anyone involved.
We can imagine the same for damage. The output once redistributed might even exist on a measurable scale.
>>47247528
>Watch this. It'll be funny.
TFW people forget about some of the best cards print...
>>47248607
Local gaming club and friends. Makes for me a meta of around 30 something people.
With the weird caveat that we're not what I'd call a local meta anymore.
This is weird, and probably the first time I witness that for a game. As I discussed in previous threads, we've had a balkanization of the community, yet so far it endures.
We talk about other people's games over playing something else, but at the club itself we maybe only around 10 to 15 depending on nights still playing. Others play but at home, between friends and/or family.
>>47249670
Hey, I played that!
What can I say, we always loved our link here.
>>47249670
What I fail to Understand is why that terrible trash cost. Give it a 4 and it might see some play. I'm happy we got a replacement in Upstalk though. Free credits for traces is niche but a must.
>>47249821
I think the idea - the way I played it if anything - was to use it as some form of Operation: install in a remote, and force the link dependent runner to run there.
There's that thing that keeps amazing me about how beta-testers seem to think we can make those humongous taxing servers that rarely seem to happen to the level of efficiency several cards seem to imply.
>>47249670
Hidden gems thread?
>>47249580
My point exactly. There's no way the devs would make Anarchs evil enough to redirect to just one person instead of redistributing.
>>47249892
You know what? Been too long, into my next deck the hounds go.
>>47249922
My bad, thought you were saying even that was too evil for some reason.
>>47249979
Maybe the meta is ready for a Data Hound, Snoop, Salem's Hospitality deck to take over.
>>47249892
Totally should have been the art for Snoop.
Also would make Emergency Shutdown's art more relevant, at 6 it's actually worth shutting down
>>47249670
I think it's more that the card is pretty hard to justify out of faction, unless the local meta is link heavy. Meanwhile there are probably more stable cards to use for winning traces in faction.
>>47249892
I like data hound, I'd like it more if killers weren't the first icebreaker every runner installs.
I think the card should have been a code gate, like Archangel. A tiny Archangel in dog form.
I was thinking back on the idea that we might not see those three IDs next datapack, and now I'm mad for all evening.
Are these out yet?
>>47256067
I know, it's such a let down.
>>47256090
Not that I know and certainly not around here...
I have a feeling this is going to take the release spot of where the next Deluxe should have been.
I've been trying to play with IT Department for a while now. I can't seem to get it up and running. Either the runners go in too early and trashes it, or I'm too busy with stuff to be spending clicks on it.
>>47249670
Why do I keep thinking this card is "x is the number of tags the Runner has"?
>>47264402
It's just what you expect from NBN
Has anyone started slotting slums yet?
If so, are they worth it?
>>47264616
Slums are pretty nice for removing snares and shit, so worth a slot in run at least once a turn decks
>>47264616
I'm really thinking this should have been "when you pat the trash cost of an accessed installed card". To balance hings a bit.
Being able to remove from the game from R&D lock kind leave a bad aftertaste.
>>47265874
I think that's mainly for R&D traps, but yeah, that is a bit strong.
Gotta be able to defend R&D, I guess they're saying
>>47265896
>>47265874
I think it's fine, the card is already niche enough.
>>47193227
somewhat off topic, but what is OP pic even from? It seems to be one of those so awful it's funny sort of things.
But on topic, If I wanted to get into Netrunner, besides the original box, what's a good set to start so I can get a feel for the game and have fun with my group?
>>47266713
Galo Sengen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtEklpFoMXw
>>47266779
More like Galo SNAREGEN.
>>47266713
All the big boxes are good, and they will never rotate out.
>>47266713
>besides the original box
You absolutely need that first, but after that I'd say the big boxes - lots of good cards, they'll never rotate, and they really help showcase some core strategies
>>47266514
I'm conflicted. Yes, it's niche, but then compare with Archives Interface...
>>47265896
Not even R&D traps. Every Asset or Upgrade. Case in point, to take an extreme case, Off the Grid. Hard enough to play, but then add Political Operative, and now the slums which mean a random R&D access means no recursion - which you had in store, because, well Off the Grid - and things go from bad to worse.
>>47266713
A second main box, just so you have enough cards to keep two good decks together on each side.
>>47267742
Yeah, they really dropped the ball with OTG.
Which is a shame, because in theory it should work, and thematically it's quite nice - it's only as expensive as San San, and it's in Weyland where that matters less, it just straight-up denies access compared to Ash/Caprice's "maybe" (though the tax cost of runs that don't access and Central applicability were woefully underrated), which is very straightforward and very Weyland, but it's just too easy to trash to be of much use - even a "if the runner accesses HQ they may pay 2/3 to trash" would have been better, but it's also really vulnerable until it's placed.
It's an okay idea, but terrible execution
>>47267981
>it's only as expensive as San San
Isn't 6 credits to rez pretty expensive though? Or have I been managing my econ in Weyland wrong?
>>47268099
Sure, 6 is a lot, but a Weyland deck that's not doing badly shouldn't care too much, as long as you're out of the early game - if you're pushing for a score, or being siphoned to hell and back this doesn't apply, but if the latter was the case you REALLY don't want to use OTG.
>>47267981
Even then, as I was saying OTG was just one extreme example, but now any deck that has pivotal, strategy-central assets or upgrades has to live with the risk of them being removed from the game on R&D access, or trashed without access if HQ has been compromised once.
That's a lot of pressure added from the very start of the game.
>>47257938
I've never played in HB itself, and my attempts with it in Weyland were mostly jank fun builds (H3 deposit, early Gagarin tax etc...), so I don't know that I have anything of worth to say. Mainly I would just leave it in a remote or one-ICE-deep server; rez it on start of next turn and then advance.
The D4V1D/Faust combo has had a very negative effect on the value of the card though. Still, people tend to forget that you can use it to force the runner to empty a D4V1D a lot faster.
Playing this afternoon made me realize in retrospect there's one card I tried with World Plaza I may not have given enough credit, and might be worth a second attempt: Levy University. Would be worth dusting off the Grail suite.
>>47268099
The expense by itself is not the issue. To quote myself from a previous thread:
>a good third of Weyland's base strategy is being able to threaten a kill. Which means that, certainly they can have very good econ, but their base threat threshold is higher than other corps. You have more money, but you also need to sit on more money to be as threatening as you need. Something that Traffic Accident didn't really solve.
You can afford to pay six better than any other corp, save maybe HB. But then if you need to stay credible with your threat kill your margins for maneuver are actually very tight.
Netrunner tickets are not selling at Gencon at all.
Out of 300 slots over half are still unsold 3~ hours.
This meta is so bad even gencon events are not selling out.
>>47269176
Yep Game of Throne's 220 seats sold out almost instantly.
>>47269176
>>47269209
Isn't GoT right in the middle of its relaunch?
By itself, wouldn't take that piece of news as alarming. But then I don't really follow that trail.
>>47269308
Game of Thrones is at the end if it's first cycle and in a great meta.
Also games hardly last past turn 5 most the time so their tournaments go fast.
Netrunner is the most draining thing you can play in tournaments IMO, the pre-cut rounds are set to be 10 hours at least. The cut is next day and set to be at least 6.
If you go to Gencon for Netrunner that is ALL you are doing.
>>47269362
What I would call middle of the re-launch then, yeah.
>Netrunner is the most draining thing you can play in tournaments IMO
Agreed, and not just for length. Can be pretty taxing. Another reason why I prefer casual play. You can extend the attention. Afford cool builds you wouldn't bring to a tournament.
>>47269440
I agree. The game is great in a casual setting but just not worth it for a tournament game anymore. I constantly placed top 5 at regionals and top 10 at both worlds I went to but it is just not fun anymore.
Having to deal with the slog that is IG ruins the round, having to deal with it round after round as net deckers just cloning Dan makes it not even worth showing up.
Even if most of them don't make the cut I don't want to face IG for 3 of my 6-7 rounds.
I'd rather fuck around and play fun decks and ignore the awful tier 1 meta while I wait for L5R.
>>47242570
I feel like this was our last real chance at getting a damaged-focused HB identity. A shame it didn't win.
>>47270019
I gather you didn't like Cybernetics Division?
How did Psychographics worked before NBN could crush Runner's dreams of recowering from tags with Midseason?
>>47270248
It hurts you more then it helps.
Hey how flavorful (and evil) would be this play:
After Runner made a single succesful run.
24/7 News Cycle Breaking News
Closed Accounts
Hard-Hitting News
>>47270564
It was useful for never advance shell game. If they float too many tags, you can fast advance your astros or even get a psf out. Not great, but it had some play way back in the day.
>>47270586
Pretty thematic - use the run as an excuse to break a news story about a series of credit attacks, which you in turn use as cover to assault the runner's finances
You smile at the thought of a job well done, look out the window of your Broadcast Square office... only to see the runner's "face" with this expression - their investment in twice-daily casts has allowed them the financial freedom to avoid your clutches through Paper Tripping, or possibly calling up their lawyers.
Admittedly that's not very likely at the moment (as you'd probably want to hit the Casts), but still.
And I could see both Lawyer Up and Paper Tripping becoming more popular with Hard Hitting out
>>47270586
Less evil than what real world "journalism" has been doing overall.
But still pretty kick ass.
>>47270580
Well, I had a lot of fun with it myself. Granted, going Self Destruct Chips and either 5/3 is risky. Forcing the runner to go aggressively against whatever you IA(A) or get into Punitive range is very satisfying to play. Especially given how little people play damage protection or expose. Here at least
It makes for tense games on both sides, which I really dig. One version I ran even has Sentinel Defense Program and Defective Brainchip. Was very fun to up the ante on one single brain damage. Risk-adverse player can get paralyzed.
>>47270564
Forcing the runner to go tag-me by running down his econ. I remember someone playing a cute NBN Restructured Datapool deck in the first year...
>>47270248
I'm not a fan, but that's also a different direction from what I was thinking. Correction: I feel like this was our best chance at a brain damage focused identity. I'd like to see brain damage have a place where it's more than a method of making meat/net flatlines easier.
>>47270881
Any anti-tag tech will suffer as long as HB is a major meta presence, since they have 2 ways of giving tags, avoidable with icebreakers, and little incentive to pay influence for them. Even Jinteki has snare and cerebral casts, HB only wants tags to cut off resources, which they can spend their influence on direct methods.
>>47270987
That's tricky to do. You could tie it to fast advance, but that's probably not what you want. How about this for ID text
HB Cybernetics Division*
Whenever a brain damage is dealt, place 1 power counter on Cybernetics Division.
1 Power Counter: The runner loses click.
Sets up a kill or glacier, but all of its dependent on landing brain damage. Still good, gives you a mini False Lead with no forfeit.
>>47270987
>I'd like to see brain damage have a place where it's more than a method of making meat/net flatlines easier.
Fair enough. But then a place where brain damage are plentiful and reliable enough to be your only killing tool is kinda somewhere I'm not sure I want to go.
Oh, and kill or not, I do so love playing CD against all those Faust decks.
>>47271197
Threadly reminder that Snares win games.
>>47271236
Speaking of, I'm finding Jesminder can be pretty tough to kill - no snare tag and click 3 siphons (that give 2 extra credits) sucks ass
>>47271236
That it does.
I so love those Snare FFG sleeves...
>>47271283
Unlike her sister...
>>47271361
Well played.
>>47271442
RIP future fem!Ghandi ;(
I played CD as soon as it landed. It did amazing for a while, but people started playing grip enhancers like Public Sympathy, Box-E, and stuff like that because Faust was getting more attention. Hell, this one runner I had with -8 handsize between brain damage and Self-Destruct Chips. But he was kept afloat thanks to Public Sympathies he kept installing. And of course the thought of packing some tags to trash those never crossed my mind.
>>47271502
RIP
Not that the corps would want to kill her...
>>47271671
Why not? I can see Jinteki wanting to be rid of her if she advocates for clone rights.
>>47271775
The corps not wanting to kill her part has nothing to do with flavor. Her card gives each side extra click, something Corps can utilize better by fast advancing 3/2 agendas.
>>47271775
She's one of the best corp cards in the game for one, and the card depicting her death is shaper...
You have a point with Jinteki, but they're also the first ones anyone would point a finger at.
>>47271107
>You could tie it to fast advance, but that's probably not what you want.
I wouldn't be against it. Could even fit in thematically as utilizing a runner's brain for processing power.
>Whenever a brain damage is dealt, place 1 power counter on Cybernetics Division.
>1 Power Counter: The runner loses click.
Considering how little brain damage is dealt in a game, that's maybe 2 clicks lost for the runner total. It doesn't feel like quite enough. An important part of the Chronos Protocol ID is deterrence. The ability itself doesn't fire much, but the potential consequences of it happening at all afford you extra time and breathing room if you can present a plausible threat.
>>47271139
>plentiful and reliable enough to be your only killing tool
I'm not talking about getting kills with it at all. I'd like an identity that utilizes it for tempo a step beyond just the hand size reduction.
>>47272233
The hand size reduction is already a tempo loss, since the Runner is able to hold to less cards every time.
It being impactful is up to question though, since it's hard to notice just like Fisk flood is hard to appreciate.
>>47272401
Losing your own hand size is what kills it for me. It makes flooding even worse since you can't hide Agendas in HQ much.
It is just a bad ID really.
>>47272401
>The hand size reduction is already a tempo loss, since the Runner is able to hold to less cards every time.
I agree, which is why a said a step *beyond*. In the game more generally, brain damage is fine as it is. Trash a card, permanent hand size reduction, good deal. I'd still like to see an identity that takes it just a bit further.
>>47272503
Flooding is the ban of tournaments, and the non-issue of people that just play the game. At worse it means the game is over fast and we can have another.
I think it's a great ID. It makes for great games.
I've played it against a Valencia Itinerant Protestor deck, and frankly that's some of the most awesome games I had in a while.
>>47269626
'Cause that's going to be better?
I would be all for L5R based on gameplay, but the generic asian theme just kills it for me. At least Netrunner I can show to my friends.
>>47274041
Without Lukas Litzsinger's silver bullets it will be amazingly better then Netrunner. All the issues with Netrunner right now center around Lukas' design style.
L5R Art/Theme is really that bad unless you one of those "scared of what people might think of me" people.
>>47274133
Nah, it just doesn't fascinate me at all. It's a theme that would have been cool in the 80s or something. A very old, boring and tired concept that doesn't really leave room for much creativity. - to me-
Don't assume things, like it will be better, if you assume you might just make an ass out of yourself in the end.
You probably meant "is not" there, freudian slip?
>>47196429
I'm back with the lists.
Corp is:
Titan Transnational: Investing In Your Future
Agenda (10)
2x Global Food Initiative ••
1x High-Risk Investment
2x Hostile Takeover
2x Oaktown Renovation
3x Project Atlas
Asset (13)
2x Elizabeth Mills
2x GRNDL Refinery
3x Jackson Howard •••
1x Mark Yale
1x News Team ••
1x PAD Campaign
2x Project Junebug ••
1x Snare! ••
Upgrade (4)
2x Crisium Grid
2x Cyberdex Virus Suite
Operation (7)
2x Dedication Ceremony
2x Fast Track
3x Hedge Fund
Barrier (4)
1x Fire Wall
1x Hive
2x Spiderweb
Code Gate (4)
1x Crick •••
3x Enigma
Sentry (6)
2x Archer
2x Caduceus
2x Swordsman ••
Other (1)
1x Excalibur
16 influence spent (max 17)
21 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Kala Ghoda
>>47275465
Runner is:
Leela Patel: Trained Pragmatist
Event (19)
2x Account Siphon
3x Career Fair
2x Dirty Laundry
2x Employee Strike ••
2x Inside Job
2x Legwork
2x Special Order
3x Sure Gamble
1x The Maker's Eye ••
Hardware (7)
3x Logos
1x Plascrete Carapace
3x R&D Interface ••••• •
Resource (15)
2x Bank Job
3x Daily Casts
2x Earthrise Hotel
1x Hunting Grounds •
2x Kati Jones
2x Political Operative
1x Same Old Thing
2x Symmetrical Visage
Icebreaker (6)
1x Corroder ••
2x Faerie
2x Mongoose
1x ZU.13 Key Master ••
Program (1)
1x Sneakdoor Beta
15 influence spent (max 15)
48 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Democracy and Dogma
Ended up cutting the reversed accounts jank. I'm not sure whether to drop the news team for a second snare. Little concerned about my econ, so open for any suggestions there.
The best part of IG is no one is running anti Meat Damage cards. time for Blue Sun to rise again.
>>47278856
Bumped
Won't plan on making this happen everyday, but Scoring Government Takeover by way of Hollywood Renovation?
Great feeling.
Helps a lot the runner had discarded the GT as a failed Ambush attempt.
>>47275465
Mostly naked remotes there?
>>47275524
Might be worth including something for recursion, in case of rogue program trashes - I know that's caught me out occasionally, when playing criminal.
R&D Interface and Deja Vu are the same influence, for example, and it's able to be Same Old Thing'd
>>47279572
With Back Channels is certainly a possiblity to consider. I have 6 advanceable assets in my deck, 3 refineries, 3 ambushes. But never thought of including GT. I'd be too scared if the runner picks it up from an R&D poke.
>>47245427
>DBZero
>beanbag
>that ID
what does this post even mean?
Rez cost 2 Str 3 Weyland
Ruthless Lighthouse
Trap
When Ruthless Lighthouse is rezzed you may move up any number of advancement tokens from ICE installed directly before or after it.
-> Give the runner one tag for each advancement counters on Ruthless Lighthouse. Trash Ruthless Lighthouse.
>>47281473
How often does Government Takeover win games anyway? It looks like such a risky card to include at 6 points that the only play I can think of is Fast Tracking it into your hand, then install ambushes right after it to see if the runner bites.
>>47282073
Low density. Punitive Counterstrike.
High Risk/high reward.
I've scored that thing naked. The runner knew he wouldn't survive the steal.
Just played against a deck using cards coming out in the next two data packs
>Wheel of Touring
>Snitch
>Rebirth (Andromeda -> leela)
>The Black File
>The Price of Freedom
>Au Revoir
Apparently there effectively is no window to rez ice so they sit back, jacks out of every run to get wheel counters and Au Revoir wait for the corp to to score out, drop the black list, buy themselves an extra 3 turns to get through and turning wheel the corp's entire deck. Is this a new runner deck or has it been around for a while?
I would be very sad if Netrunner became decks like this VS Museum horizontal decks.
>>47283266
You see something like it in Incubator Virus decks (power turn to get Hivemind up high, a few mediums and Darwin to access all of R&D), but things like EBC, Surat, kill and FA tricks mean that just sitting back won't always work
>>47283327
oh ok
i still think the black file is straight up retarded.
>>47283377
All you need is a tag, it's a resource
And while it's not immediately relevant, next cycle is meant to have the corps being more violent, so flatline may become more available (though it's still a big part of the meta anyway)
>>47283520
Oh thats a good card
unfortunately its not going to do anything against a deck that doesn't steal agendas till the turn it wins.
>>47283574
Fan sites count too btw.
But yeah, if that's ALL they do then you'll need to bring pre-rezzing and/or kill - unless they're Nero they can't just bounce off rezzed ice.
Port Anson Grid might also help, and there's always Power Shutdown, Ronin, N-EMP and Contract Killer
>>47285880
>buy this car to drive to work
>drive to work to pay for this car
>>47283574
So does Shi.Kyu, which makes me grin.
>>47287576 was meant to answer >>47283895
>Fan sites count too btw.
Now to bed I guess.
>>47287576
Now that's a card I've not seen in a while
>>47289252
Probably artist colony to blame
>>47289601
Yeah, plus it's not exactly cheap
>>47289856
For me the influence really is the killer. Especially that News Team exists.
System Outage really leaves scratching my head for now.
I wonder what their idea for it is. I just want it to be a thing for that sweet Ixodidae combo.
>>47293247
What does System Outage do?
>>47201448
She's gonna be the next G00ru
Alright. This isn't near the fun that MTG is but fuck all that money. How much total is it for the whole package. Do they still keep coming out with expensive expansions?
>>47297364
They have boosters now. Waste of time and money just like MTG now.
>>47297364
>Not near the fun
>Expensive
>Not strictly better than MTG in all but playerbase
Wow
>>47297654
>pic
Too bad you can't do this with art sleeves, just to give runners a mini-heart attack.
>>47295195
It's the first card in the pack (even ahead of the identity), to represent the titular 23 Seconds, and it's a nice addition to Anarch's taxing portfolio.
Though I do hope we're approaching the end of the cards designed when anarchs were in the doldrums, I think a lot of people are getting a bit bored with all orange all the time, and I want to see some good stuff for criminals, especially vis-a-vis breaking - they can do a lot of other stuff, but that's their weakest area to me
>>47297736
You know they sell Snare! sleeves?
It's evil
>>47297804
Too bad there aren't any for Dedicated Response Team, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
>>47298710
>Dedicated Response Team
I've just realised that that combos beautifully with Casting Call.
Temptation to make a murder deck rising...
How strange... Kilrain is 30th card of the cycle, but 30th card slot has usually been on Corps' half of the pack?
>>47198354
New runner game action: pet cat counters.
>>47298967
Went go check the number. In most cases 30th slot was HB card, but it has once been an Eden Fragment, and once a shaper card back in Breaker Bay...
>>47298967
Assuming a full 20 cards per pack, rough numbers go:
1-10 Runner
11-20 Corp
New Pack
21-30 Runner
31-40 Corp
It goes Anarch, Crim, Shaper, Neutral, so pack 2 either has more Runner than Corp cards, or no Neutrals.
Kilrain is a Resource, too, which fits - resources are the last cards in any runner-faction section of the pack, usually (I think it's IDs, Events, Hardware, Programs, Resources, so like the factions it's alphabetical)
Not sure where mini-factions will come in, and System Outage gets a pass for being the titular flashpoint event that kicks off the cycle
>>47298887
3 Casting Calls + 3 Data Ravens for a DRT deck? Or go down to 2 of each and free up the influence?
>>47299006
Yeah, due to 3 vs 4 the corps usually get more cards
>>47297804
System Outage, Gorman Drip, Global Sec Clearance?
>>47299048
Yeah, 12 inf worth of NBN tagging to play with, and Jackson.
Maybe including Salem/Hospitality for extra fun.
However I might wait a bit until the Judge comes out (annoyingly Mausolus is card 97, so is pack 5 of flashpoint), though I may struggle to protect all these assets
>>47299098
Add pic related
>Whenever the Corp loses at least 1c, gain 1c.
>Trash Ixodidae if the Corp purges virus counters.
>>47298887
Something interesting I've never seen is using a Data Raven to tag the Runner, protecting a Psychic field with a rezzed DRT.
>>47299122
Salem could definitely be good for sniping out cards, especially Film Critic since it annoyingly nulls out Casting Call and Argus' ability.
Speaking of Mausolus, the card doesn't tax the runner more after being advanced does it? Since the upgrade only matters if it fires. The additional end the run is nice though.
>>47299166
Importing both is pretty harsh on the influence.
>>47299155
Might as well add Fester as well. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
>>47299178
Before being advanced, it's a 5 strength 3 sub code gate, but you can let it fire - the corp gains 1, you take 1 net, you take a tag.
After triple advancing, same str/subs, but now the corp gains 3, you take 3 net and it's ETR, so you've got to break it.
And it looks the same as any other triple advanced card when unrezzed, which is nice
>>47299223
>And it looks the same
That's the best part for me. My favourite part of all Space ICE is that they all look the same unrezzed (except Orion maybe).
>>47299284
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that trap
>except Orion
True. On the other hand, do you know what looks just like Orion?
A 5-advanced Swarm.
No-one expects it (to be fair, it's hugely overpriced, but man does it have an impact)
>>47299351
You could also just triple advance Orion, then rez it for 6.
>>47299351
How do you guys find windows for multi advancing ICE?
>>47299382
Run constellation protocol, Builder.
>>47299382
I'm not exactly playing at high levels or anything, but I can usually rely on having okay money, meaning the runner can't just run freely
