>medieval fantasy setting
>modern nation states exist and are even commonplace
>>47168727
>>medieval fantasy setting
>>potatoes
>>tomatoes
>>pomatoes
>>47168727
>The Eight Castrati
>featuring such hits as
>Why'd You Go and Cut Off My Balls
>Where My Balls At
>I Got My Balls Cut Off and Then I Was Buggered
>>47168727
What are you suggesting? That nation-states like England, Scotland and France didn't exist and that everyone lived in sovereign cities?
>>47168727
>fantasy
>not like reality
>autists amirite
Irony/10, OP. Well played.
>>47168727
>>47168750
By simply assuming most medieval settings are actually renaissance settings (which many are, as evidenced by the existence of full plate) solves most of these issues.
That is something I wonder about. Could a communist philosophy develop without industrialization?
>>47171947
It's called Hunter-Gatherer.
And most peasant villages.
>>47171524
>tomatoes
>Renaissance
Tomatoes didn't see widespread Italian use until like, the late 1700s
i know OP wants more fantasy but it's really weird how people expect fantasy settings to match real world expectations.
It's fantasy. Anything could theoretically be the case. Things that are true that may not necessarily be true in any fantasy world:
- How gravity works
- The value of pi
- the electromagnetic spectrum
- germ theory
- the table of elements (in DnD, everything really is based on Air/Earth/Water/Fire)
- basic human capability (lung capacity, jumping distance, etc)
and that's all before you even TOUCH 'magic'
>medieval fantasy setting
Pretty much every gripe about medieval fantasy can be reconciled via magic.
I'm sure mass printing would be a breeze with magic, leading to education, etc.
Imagine if a more efficient and less expensive printing press was invented in like, 150CE?
Also, things like manufacturing, communications, medicine, etc all improve drastically with the presence of even a single village wizard.
>>47171947
jewish kibbutzes
>>47172016
But part of communism is a constant struggle between the poor and rich.
>Not realizing anachronisms are common in fiction
>>47171947
Somewhere the psychic resonance of Trotsky is screaming in eternal pain
I leave to you whether you care or not.
>>47172500
dafuk definition of communism are you using?
in an 'ideal' communist society (so, achievable by small communities, as discussed by this thread, but not yet implemented on any kind of actual large scale), there are no poor or rich - all property is communally owned.
"I pay for my room and board with 5 gold coins"
Economy knowledge activate!
>>47168764
kek'd
>>47172593
Sorry, I shouldn't have said constant struggle - it's more like a struggle where people are forced into equality, and then vigilance after to make sure no one gets too much power again. You might argue that that means that the evil rich people will always be struggling to regain their power, but I'm not clear if that's actually ever expressed.
>>47172593
You have no idea what you're talking about, please stop trying.
>>47172593
>in an 'ideal' communist society (so, achievable by small communities, as discussed by this thread, but not yet implemented on any kind of actual large scale), there are no poor or rich - all property is communally owned.
So hunter-gatherers definitely don't count then?
>>47172625
Also:
>roadside Inn in the middle of absolute nowhere
>has multiple floors, each with a few private rooms for rent
>always awake staff member behind the bar
Threw my players for a loop when they found the ramshackle Inn at the edge of the world was a glorified house, they had to bang on the door for 10 minutes to wake up the keeper, slept on the floor. Beds are expensive yo, and 3 silvers a night isn't exactly going to furnish you well.
>>47172857
That's why they should always be set in towns of at least middling size, where there'd be a regular enough flow of people to warrant them as a business. Players should be ready and willing to camp if they need to.
>>47172857
Burn it down and fuck any near by farm animals
>orange carrots
>>47172857
>For 5 silver I can let you sleep on the tables and I won't call the guards
>That's a lot of money!
>I know that's why I want it.
>>47172346
>Fantasy setting
>Using IRL history for placing crops and not making your own
>>47171947
communism specifically no, but an ethos of collective ownership and responsibility is plenty plausible.
>>47174280
>fantasy setting
>having dishes called "thermidor" and "meuniere"
and that salamander is clearly deep-fried, who do these translators think they're fooling?
>>47172574
She may not be fair, but her proportions sure are balanced, goddamn
>>47168764
Second post best post
>come up with multiple non-combat solutions to a situation
>"you try and you....failed lol"
>end up fighting EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
>mfw DM is actually forcing the party into murderhoboing
>>47175063
>party face is our best roleplayer and has over 20 charisma
>DM still defaults every NPC acting like they got out of the wrong side of bed and being as unhelpful as possible
>even after decent to high diplomacy rolls to soften them up
>>47175199
I know that feel
>try to bargain at general store in tiny ass village consisting of 5 houses and a mill
>one of the party members pressures the merchant into dropping prices for buying in bulk
>The merchant seems unhappy and calls out "Lars, Bruno, get over here". Two huge aryan-looking guards appear from the door behind him and start looking at you menacingly
later in that campaign
>we end up back in the same village
>disguised member and new female member go shopping because we assume the merchant would remember the rest of us
>they end up trading the female member for a camel and 2 donkeys
>the camel is ill and dies as soon as the retard party member takes possession of it
>"lel no refund"
>we try to free female member in the night
>rogue sneaks in shop basement where he finds Lars & Bruno's quarters
>it's a sex dungeon & apparently they're gay, or bi, or pan or something
>they steal a gold buttplug with a diamond on top & escape
later in the same campaign
>party has to get rid of a wizard with an undead army
>isn't outright hostile
>we try to negotiate
>kill some orcs for him and he will leave and give us some goodies even
>scout orc camp only to see they're about 15 double tents in close proximity and all seem to be occupied
>try to decoy the orcs to the wizard so they do the dirty work
>"kek no"
>while working out a different plan a patrolling party notices us and straight up blows the horn alerting everyone
>surrounded by 30 orcs
>negotiate.jpg
>"kek no"
>I sit there trying to figure out why I play with these people
>apparently DM realizes TPKing us like this is retarded
>all of a sudden the orc warchief seems interested in the gold butt plug with the diamond on top
>we bought our freedom with a gold butt plug
>>47172577
Trotsky was a dumb fag who deserves his hell
>society clearly based on (historical period)
>characters take modern attitudes in regards to religion, political issues, sexuality, science etc.
>>47172440
>- The value of pi
Pi is exactly THREE!
>>47174377
Americans who don't know the difference?
>>47168727
>modern setting
>medieval kingdoms exist and are even commonplace
>medieval fantasy setting
>there are no colors besides gray and shit brown
>>47175646
Your DM is retarded.
>>47175063
Not at all relevant to the thread, but holy shit. That armor is gorgeous.
>>47178065
But that's "realism".
Do you hate "realism", anon?
>>47172857
>roadside Inn in the middle of absolute nowhere
>has multiple floors, each with a few private rooms for rent
>always awake staff member behind the bar
You know in Middle Age and long time after, many countries had Inn systems, basically established by the ruler of said country to provide decent lodgings for the officials, couriers, nobility and the ruler of said country if they ever would visit said place. The community would get certain amount from the treasury for upkeep of said inn but often innkeepers would take on buying customers aswell to make extra money.
>>47178002
>Modern setting
>Knights are still a thing
Fucking hell, man!
>>47178065
>Zounds! Ye Edge!.tpsty
>>47178065
I fucking hate that shit.
But, then again, most DMs don't bother describing color that much anyway, so that's really more of a problem with perception or movies and stuff like that, not settings.
>>47170927
>medieval England, Scotland and France
>modern nation states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#Characteristics_of_the_nation_state
>>47168727
But most of my D&D settings are based around the HRE.
>>47178002
is there anyplace in the world where feudalism is still practiced?
I'm sure there's someplace in bumfuck that does but I can't think of any
>>47178445
>Run medieval setting
>Players want to be Operators with Guns
>Play modern setting
>Players want to be Street-Paladin, Street-Druid, Street-whatever
Kill me.
>>47168727
I like how this is where people draw the line. We have adventurers, dragons, wizards, magic, real gods, other sentient races, people who can survive blows that should kill, and all other manner of shenanigans, but heaven forbid we touch the pristine political arrangements that were the middle ages.
I don't throw a conniption every time someone does something that violates physical principles, like spells not following conservation of energy, maybe you history nerds can quit citing how this madeup setting doesn't match your fucking book.
>>47175063
Current DM does this. He then complains about us and insults our characters. Can't wait for him to stop
>>47171179
>Look at Domesday Book, a census of england written 1000 years ago
>There's a hamlet (settlement with under 100 people) with an inn (bed, food, water and fodder for oxen/horse) every 20-30 miles along every road
Why is 1086's era England so unrealistic? It's like whoever wrote this book thought people traveling along the roads would want a place to eat and sleep within 1 day's travel distance of each other and that people would somehow magically decide to put small settlements in those locations.
>>47168727
>Lack of economic scope
The dirt farming village of Mudfuck cannot afford to buy your +2 sword
>lack of practical scope
The blacksmith of the dirt farming village of Mudfuck mostly makes nails and repairs farming tools. If you want masterwork plate, you need to go back to the city.
>Lack of common sense
You can't buy your masterwork plate in the city, because you stabbed a merchant in broad daylight and had to escape the city watch and local adventurers guild trying to bring your ass to justice
>>47168764
Hard act to sell. I bet it took balls.
>>47178065
Triggered
>>47179144
Pilgrims are medieval tourists, and dropped a lot of money
>>47179411
>Pilgrims are medieval tourists, and dropped a lot of money
Does this make the Canterbury Tales the original greentext?
>>47179451
>Tales of cucking
>Literal butthurt
>hat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the kings knights, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret crusades on the Saracens, and I have over 300 confirmed kills....
Yeah, its greentext
>>47172453
Except going that route creates approx. a MILLION more gripes about why certain things are stuck being done the assbackwards way they are instead of magic being exploited to its utmost limits of logical efficiency.
![Robespierre_IMG_2299[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tYLyBLZ.jpg "Robespierre_IMG_2299[1].jpg")
>>47178288
>Noblesse de robe
>>47179556
Some things such as mass printing/communication make sense to invest magic into as they have massive payoff. smaller things that are "less important" don't merit magical intervention?
I dunno man, sometimes you have to fudge it a little.
>>47171947
Communal ownership is common in some societies that never industrialized, yes, but it depends on what you mean by "communism"
>>47177984
Americans are fucking PhD's in Deep-Fried, neighbor. You ain't fooling shit when it comes to that.
>>47168727
>People referring to completely fictional planets, with actual gods and magic, and non-human sapient species, where wars can be fought with everything from swords to fireballs to fucking dragons and kaiju, as "medieval" or "renaissance" and get their panties torqued over anachronisms.
Jesus people if I tell you that telephones were invented by a caveman but were done away with after aliens gave us the Talking Fires then that's the fucking history of this setting. Take your arguments about plate armor and real-world politics to the center of a labyrinth and tell it to the guy with the horns.
>>47178065
>Set in NOTRomeGreekEgypt
>statues and frescos are white
>>47168764
>Jingle no balls
>I've got a brand new pair of rollerskates, but no balls
>Saturday Night Fever (an infection acquired after my castration)
>getting jiggy with no balls
>my humps (are not balls)
>Who let the dogs, who I associate closely with due to our mutual lack of balls, out
>>47178116
What backwards fuckin realism is that?
>>47168727
Larry, I will take "Post-modernism" for 300 this time!
>>47172818
Since when hunter-gatherers share their shit commune-style? Jesus, 2016 and you are doing noble savage...
>>47179144
>people would somehow magically decide to put small settlements in those locations.
>I don't understand the basics of settlement development
![[Triggering intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/aVbYz2S.gif "[Triggering intensifies].gif")
>>47172453
>A wizard did this!
>>47172857
>I have no clue how inn systems worked through the ages in all different fucking cultures around the world
Anon, unless you are doing a frontier setting after recent rapid land-grab, you are full of shit.
>>47172857
I will give you a clue - if there is a road, there is an inn or other type of decent lodging. And if there are no roads, unless the area is some clustefuck of dense forest/steep mountains/marshland/whatever else - there is an in or other type of lodging.
Sure, multistore inn is way over the line, but you are replacing one extreme with another, you stupid shit.
>>47172016
>Hunter-Gatherer
>Communism
>>47168727
"Legitimate states that govern effectively and dynamic industrial economies are widely regarded today as the defining characteristics of a modern nation-state."
I have some huge problems with your definition for a start, but let's assume that it's correct.
Medieval states are pre-industrial, ergo they are not nation states.
>>47181711
Actually it's Marx who makes the claim that agricultural practices lead to the initial alienation of worker from production, which is exacerbated by feudal society and reaches it's near maximum under capitalism and would disappear back to the level of hunter-gatherer societies under communism, as production and laborer cease to be alienated as they weren't back during hunter gatherer societies.
it's what the whole "end of history" thing is about.
>>47181765
You do realise that marx knew fuck all about hunter-gatherer societies given he only ever lived in industrial ones. If anything one of the key traits of hunter gatherer societies in most parts of the world is a tendency to have a tribal chief, which is entirely non communistic (though the guy who re branded his movement marxism after people decided to take his ideas but not follow him might not see the problem with that)
>>47178722
He probably won't, anon. At times like this you might need to step back, ask yourself if you're willing to put up with this and remind yourself that no game is better than bad game.
>>47178722
An unchallenged enemy may mistake you for an ally.
>>47181765
>2016
>Communism theory is still and only Marx and nothing else
Anon, he was outdated already when we was alive.
>>47179144
Because in modern time you sit in a car and drive 24h straight without any stops
>>47178454
"Company Towns" are the nearest modern equivalent.
>>47181878
>Company towns
You mean any given modern corporation? Company towns are closer to commune than anything else, you dumb fuck.
>>47180460
We literally fry the oil we use for frying sometimes. The US is at like Inception levels of deep-frying mastery.
>>47172857
Have you realised that the biggest inns were in a middle of fucking nowhere?
That was their purpose.
You could sleep on a reasonably comfy bed in a middle of fucking nowhere.
>>47178192
Shhhh he wanted to be a passive aggressive twat, not a good gm, let him be shit in peace.
>>47178722
Make him regret it anon, burn everything. I am in a similar situation, my gm essentially forced my character into becoming the sociopathic bomb thrower he is today. The concept of chemical warfare may not be new in this setting but by god my alchemist is going to revolutionize it.
>>47172593
>Communism
>>47172645
>>47172671
>Marxism
There's a difference
>>47181979
Not if you are Clapistani
>>47181800
>>47181765
This. Marx is based on fuck old research and speculation. Folks have actually been looking into hunter-gatherers and other primitive societies constantly since then and found that the linear theory of histor's shit.
> If anything one of the key traits of hunter gatherer societies in most parts of the world is a tendency to have a tribal chief
>hunter-gatherers
>tribal chief
Toppest keks.
>>47182002
Yeah, like old pirate ships, it's the tribal chef who really weilds power in the tribe.
>>47177796
>>47177796
You monster
>>47181994
Every day I praise the Lord that I'm not
>>47177796
Only positive whole numbers exist, mathematically proving otherwise collapses the existence of anyone who conceives it.
>>47178002
TRUMP 2016!
Anon, as people get smarter they don't get better, they just develop better arguments justifying the retarded shit they do.
>>47172577
Fucking good.
>>47177796
Go home Berghardt Stuttley Johnson, you're drunk.
>>47179451
No, that's the Pompeii graffiti.
>Amplicatus, I know that Icarus is buggering you. Salvius wrote this.
>>47179451
>>47179508
>>47182900
Truly the tale of greentext as a genre is a long and storied history
>>47180841
It's realism as told by people who never study the middle ages, at all.
You can also tell them apart when they use the term "dark ages" to describe the middle ages.
>>47172016
Not communist. It can share features of Communism (though I'm not sure it does) but you can't apply a theory developed in the 1800s to a pre-modern society.
That's anachronism.
Communism also entails an organized revolution leading to state ownership of the means of production which obviously isn't the case with a hunter gatherer society.
>>47180248
Look, somebody just post that stupid fucking picture of the Dungeon Master already. Y'know, the one that exists so that shit writers don't have to think about their worlds too much.
>>47184175
What?
>>47182002
you're missing hte point Marx was making - not that communism IS a type of hunter gatherer society, but that the relationship between labor and the means of production were flat in hunter gatherer society and flat after communism.
>>47175063
>penalty to deflection for the "heavyly ornamented" trait
>boost your seduction skill
>>47171947
Probably the closest you could get would be the ancient Incan system, where the ruler owned all land and goods and workers were housed, entertained, and equipped by the state.
>>47184966
Wasn't that still a theocratic empire?
>>47184998
Yes. It was less of "everyone has wealth" and more of "the god-emperor has all the wealth and shares it with everyone"
>>47178454
Africa
>>47183833
And they also think that no scientific or "cultural" progress happened in the dark ages, whatever the fuck cultural progress means.
>>47189510
oh it just meansblame the Christians
>>47181643
That's his point.
You know, not recognizing obvious sarcasm is a sign of autism. I'm not even joking, you should get checked. Get that sweet sweet government paycheck.
>>47181643
>Why is [real life era] so unrealistic?
It was this point at which you should have realized that post was very, very obviously sarcastic
>>47174207
>I know, that's why I want it
So stealing this line.
>>47180516
>>47179411
But they have a militia or village guardhouse to maintain weapons. So yes they can try and make some weapons and armor for you.
>>47168750
maybe the setting has no new world and maybe those foods just happen to grow in the setting's Europe?
it's FANTASY
>>47192817
>Implying that every town can afford a trained armourer or bladesmith
>Implying every town has a militia or guardhouse
Thats not how it worked bro. Making weapons and armour is a specialized trade, with specialized tools. Even if they did have a militia in the dirt farming village of Mudfuck, rather than just form a mob, they would surely have bought equipment from a vendor who buys it mass produced from specialists smiths.
>>47185941
If I remember right, no one really starved though, because they had food reserves that would be doled out to all. Also, they could store and preserve food pretty well in their qullqas, food storage buildings that are a testament to the mass warehousing and banking of the Inca.
>>47168750
1)It's fantasy, those plants may be just growing on the not-europ continent
2)generic fantasy ALSO always has some western continent which is usually known to exist and thus some guys could've brought the plants. just like in real world you autist.
>>47184966
>>47184998
>>47185941
The Incans didn't consider death the end of life, so dead nobles were mumified so that their bodies would remain somewhat intact and kept the exclusive control over all of their holdings, with spirit mediums in their service allowing them to make their will known. At the time of the invasion, significant parts of the Empire were thus controlled by lichs.
It's basically what the Republicans recently proposed for the Supreme Court.
>Setting is modern-day Roman Empire
>The Roman Army still has classical-era helmets and armor and swords to go with their assault rifles
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
>>47196311
How many different modern day roman empires have you played in?
>>47192506
>I never heard about Poe's Law
ebin
>>47196507
Not the anon, but I know... let's count...
11 different modern/pass the medieval settings with Roman Empire, which can go with different tech-levels, but their army will be most likely wearing Ceasar era armour or at least something very, very much in that style.
And going with this, I know ONE setting that gives Romans other weapons and armours than the most cliche ones.
...uh...yeah...
>>47196707
>but their army will be most likely wearing Ceasar era armour
That'd be mail.
>>47196787
Why would you post Horus Heresy here?
>>47196707
I can think of Fallout: New Vegas and then I'm stumped.
And that I give a pass because Caesar's Legion are explicitly a bunch of fanboy re-enactors and they use modern weapons like anyone else.
>>47196788
No shit, Sherlock.
>>47196311
Sword bayonets are cool as fuck though.
Turn your Riflus Kalasnikovus to a fucking glaive by stuffing your bloody sword on it and gut those technobarbarians!
>>47183919
>communism is only possible the way marx and engels described it and the 20th century communists tried to make it happen
please refer to the picture provided with >>47181711
who ironically is just as wrong as you are.
>>47178065
You do realize that colors that actually stayed vibrant over time were ridiculously hard to come by and prohibitively expensive.
The colors most people could afford were limited and darkened and faded quickly. Hence also why most old paintings look so ridiculously black today.
>>47178454
Vatican
>>47198394
>Hence also why most old paintings look so ridiculously black today.
And this post could be soooo good
>>47198394
>over time
well yeah but people weren't going through everyday life with 200 years old stuff
>>47198748
Not the anon, but in this case "over time" means "within few months", you fucking moron
>>47198367
Both those anons are right and you're making a fool of yourself. Communism is a movement and political philosophy that arose in a specific historical context and it's dangerously innacurate to apply to apply the label to the way societies were organised thousands of years before it was invented. It's like.... idk, calling Imperial Rome a fascist state because Mussolini claimed his movement was a resurrection of Roman values. You can draw parallels but it's selling the past short to describe it only in terms of modern politics.
>>47198394
Good job completely misunderstanding the post you responded to.
>>47194325
>Mudfuck
burst out laughing reading that name, just sayin thanks for that
>>47198394
That's why you wow your characters by making this fact clear from NPC's faded tunics, then introducing the nobleperson questgiver in a resplendent scarlet chemise that shimmers like flame itself
and later on PCs can show off how loaded they are from dungeons by buying dyes and things
>>47172593
>achievable by small communities
Monasteries maybe, sometimes, and only through autocratic rule by the head monk.
The first British colony in the United States began as what was effectively a communist colony, where all essentials were communally owned, all land was communally worked, from each according to his abilities and to each according to their needs.
Everyone nearly starved to death. These were literally Puritan religious zealots who believed in the whole protestant work ethic business and even THEY couldn't be motivated to work hard enough to sustain a society with communal ownership of the means of production until John Smith (yes, Mel Gibson from Pocahontas John Smith) said fuck it and cut the land up into plots, telling everyone that they had to grow their own shit or starve to death.
Communism doesn't work, not even in small pre-industrial agrarian societies.
My GM will insist on what he thinks are "traditional" gender roles for a historical setting which amounts to women being brainless lumps being traded in political marriages, waiting to get pregnant and nothing else. Then he'll turn around and apply a 100% modern take on race relations because he doesn't want to "alienate" anybody. He scared my female friend away from tabletop for good with this bullshit.
>>47175646
I'd make the argument that with those two brutes hiding in the cellar and that ridiculously expensive sex toy in such a buttfuck-nowhere hamlet, and that they're willing to buy a female party member, you'd stumbled across a contact for the local sex slavery/smuggling circuit.
Call the nearest city guard, get a warrant, get in there and murderhobo lawfully and justly. Everybody wins except Fuckface McScoundrelmerhant.
>>47201138
Yeah what a fag, you should be DUES VULTing the inferior races, not just treating women like cattle
>>47174280
>deep fried herring
>clearly salmon steaks
>>47200877
The Puritians starved because they were dumbasses who figured that GOD WOULD LEAD THEM, so they didn't get a navigator, used a map that was left incomplete by the dude who made it so that people would hire him as a navigator and consequently only found their landing site too late in the year to plant and harvest what was supposed to feed them throught the winter.
They also landed during a particularily cold year, I think.
They had brain problems, but all of them were 100% due to the fact that they were penny-pinching idiot fanatics and zero percent due to the way they organized their community.
You're also ignoring that starvation and failure is a normal result in a colonization project that isn't massively backed up by a nation. Which the Puritians were not.
>>47184455
Why is he swinging that arrow backwards? Trying to pierce the enemy with the blunt end?
>>47203234
It's how a cestrosphendone works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-_0uGIL1c
>>47168750
>Faerûn is earth
>>47180460
Aren't salamanders basically pre-fried while alive?
>>47178722
I know you're not likely in this thread anymore but I really just have to ask.
Why wait he sounds like a cunt why not band up with your friends and kick him out of your group?
>>47203339
A humble slav practices an ancient art. Soon he will be ready to fight for the motherland.
>>47184966
Palace economy =/= communism, nice try buddo
My cup runneth over with potential reaction images.
>>47203339
How long do you need to practice with this to be able to hit something smaller than a barn?
Was it a weapon for hunting mammoths?
>>47203855
>My balls were cut off for this?
>I'd give a fuck, if I still had nuts
>TFW can't scratch my balls
>The Father likes it raw without lube
