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On the old thread we made bets on the price for the Stormbird, talked about our dudes, and helped an Anon understand Fulgrim's ugly mug, GW's track record with names proved to be like Italians at war, Mr. Rocha's children were discussed, space truckers are inbound, there was a leak and not the kind we like plus more in the old thread >>47106921
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First for Dorn's glorious moustache
Second for best captain.
>>47124555
Finished my first blood angel for my ZM army. Are veterans gold trim? Looks nice, but I feel like I am doing something wrong.
What was the most recent landmark event to be reached in the novels and codices?
SO 30k Aircraft
Fire Raptor
Attack Craft, Pursuit 3 Agility 3
Xiphon
Fighter, P3(4?), A3
Lightning
Fighter? Bomber with bombs? Attack with Ground Auguries? P3 A2(3?)
Storm Eagle
Attack, P3 A2
THunderhawk
Attack, P3 A1
What else is there?
>>47125108
I'd probably go with completely red Bangles, that old Index Astartes pre-Heresy scheme looks the best to me, and either decorate or designate them as vets.
>>47125125
Path of Heaven is 4 years into the Heresy, the Traitors have entered Segmentum Solar.
>>47125127
You forgot about Stormbird, dude.
>>47125190
Ah yes maybe something like
Stormbird
Attack P3 A2
>>47125218
Wait Sotrmbird is bigger than the Thawk maybe Agility 1 im not sure on its new fluff
Gonna take another crack at reconstructing Fulgrim's face while waiting for 3rd party heads to arrive
Theres very few conversions of the primarchs to look at for inspiration
>>47125218
>Attack P3 A2
What's this?
>>47125248
The flyer rule sfor warhammer got updated. Everything gets a Pursuit and Agility stat now. There's a dogfight phase now too.
I doubt FW will update their flyers so I'm brainstorming quick fix for their stats based on what other aircraft got.
>>47125175
Didn't the attack on the moon take a year in old fluff?
>>47125127
>Lightning
>Xiphon
Make them Fighters with the ability to become Ground Attack with the Cunt Augurs.
>>47125278
I remember some dogfight things from the Shield of Baal. Where do I find these new rules?
>>47125127
>Implying anyone who plays 30k is going to use that bullshit
Im not even using it in 40k
>>47125514
People said the same thing about flyers, multiple detachments, and superheavies in 6E and psychic phase in 7E.
Look how that turned out.
>>47125341
Not Sol System, the Segmentum.
Not sure about the new fluff, but it's gonna be one hell of a ride trying to take over even the outer layers of the Solar System since it's riddled with artificial planetoids and defence forts.
>>47125696
I'm surprised they haven't extended the timeframe of the heresy yet.
Is there any way to make Tartaros from the plastic Cataphractii? Like...giving them tactical marine shoulderpads instead of the fancy Cata ones?
>>47126020
that would look like ass
Just run them as count ass, who goves a crap. Id rather pretend cataphractii is tartarus than look at shitty conversions
>>47125469
Death From the Skies. Just came out today.
>>47125514
I know my group is ignoring the dogfight phase AKA the RNG phase. But we like the new stats and expanded rules.
Sub Orbital Strike Wings that can do attack patterns might make it go from bad to almost good.
Question guys. Did Mastodons make it after the Heresy?
>>47126903
Definitely. Gotta be able to sell the model to the maximum amount of people.
>>47127023
I figured it would become a relic or something lost forever because of Horus's temper tantrum. The Sallies did field 150 of them before so I imagine maybe they would still have some in Vulkan's garage. If they could find the key to it that is.
>>47126020
No more than pretending a bolt pistol with a scope is a sniper rifle.
Indomitus would make a better base. Get legs without knee pads (MkVI style greaves) and greenstuff the back to make it one solid plate. Indomitu arms are somewhat similar. Shoulder pads and torso are a problem.
>giving them tactical marine shoulderpads
I don't think even terminator pads will fit the cataphractii.
>>47127114
>No more than pretending a bolt pistol with a scope is a sniper rifle.
I swear this is an actual model bit.
>>47127114
>I don't think even terminator pads will fit the cataphractii.
They don't.
>>47127913
It is, it's in the marine scout box.
Just got tabled by Iron Warriors
Ride the Ironfire is no joke
>>47128229
Yeeeeeeep yep yep yep.
Nothing like deleting multiple units a turn. 2stronk
>>47128229
What did the IW player have?
What did you play?
>>47128229
So you let them get close and never attacked their artillery? But any contermeasure against them would be hard to enact if you go second, I guess...
Say, besides the obvious Medusae, what else did he have?
First for the first legion.Fuck the Lion.
I could never get far at all into Descent of Angels, what the hell was it even about?
>>47125241
I like your work!
I woild have gone for a shorter twin edged nlade though. After all, Ferrus made it and that has me thinking of something utilitarian.
If you find a good head, send pictures to FW. Maybe that'll show them to release the better mini.
Best Fulgrim conversion I have seen!
Ironfire with 2 squads of 2 Vindicators, Y/N?
>>47128624
Traders pls go.
>>47128844
Hammer of Olympia instead with Perturabo.
Or do disordered charges lose furious assaults?
The idea of the RoW sounds like shooty World Eaters to me.
>>47128844
With two squads of Vindicators, you can't take medusae, Tyrants, and Havocs. Why limit yourself? Hammer of Olympia is the only way to take all our best shit.
>>47128858
>>47128864
I don't have any Medusas, not really fond of the model. IW scream Vindicators to me, so I have two, and considering two more. Next order is a pile of Quad Mortars to make up for Tyrants not being elites any more.
I also don't know if I want to shell out for Perty. Regardless of whether he is good on the table or not, I don't like him very much. I might later, I might not at all. I have the shitty Kabuki knock-off from their clearance sale though, legitimizes FW cost through its sheer ugliness.
>>47128864
Sucks that both of your special units are Heavy Support, especially since you're the Heavy Support legion. Did any other legions get shafted like that in the force org department?
>>47128922
>did any legion get cucked as hard as the Iron Warriors
feelsbadwarmaster
>>47128902
No worries, I just like the image of angry IW storming forward shooting while templates hit everybody.
>>47128957
All those bad legion products, all so you could have this one cool head.
Was it worth it, IWfags?
>>47128957
I like their dreadnought and am ok-ish with the star--plate.
Sue me.
Seriously, IW were allways clunky angry metal faces.
>>47125632
>>47125514
Unpopular opinion time: I quite like the idea of having a separate dogfight phase as long as it isn't massively clunky. I also think the psychic phase works really well.
>>47128999
>I'd love [X] from GW, done by GW
>as long as it isn't massively clunky
>isn't massively clunky
>GW
How's that 7th edition force org treating you.
>>47128999
It require an additional, separate board at least 48"x48". Has 4 sub phases where you play a mini-guessing game(RNG) of battlefield gothic lite and then see if one of you attacks the other.
It's clunktastic.
>>47128985
Star plate is completely unrelated to any of their fluff. Contemptor is fine, but it really looks more like a 40k IW 'bot than a 30k one. At least we'll always have the Death Guard contemptor
>>47129020
Christ... that's... that's just worse than I could have possibly imagined! Sounds a bit like the dogfight stuff from Aeronautica (or whatever the fuck the bastard child of BFG and Epic was called) but with more expensive models! Come to think of it, I should have known.
>>47129007
TBF I quite like that too, for me it encourages a bit more creativity and fluff rather than the standard bullshit. At the end of the day I play to have fun and because of the "narrative" rather than to win.
>>47128922
>>47128957
>What kind of legion do you want?
Reading Fulgrim... seems like the same shit with Horus.
Few rememberancers, few captains that support his Chaos corruption and few that are against it.
Fulgrim is crazy.
I thought i was about to read the Calth story, but insted Fulgrim is talking to his sword and painting pictures with shit.
>>47129610
>painting pictures with shit
and blood and cum
>>47129610
Why would you think you'd be reading about Calth? Neither Horus nor Fulgrim were at Calth.
>>47129610
Yea, at this point they were still in the "only nine books planned." Then they shift into the "let any idiot write a HH novel" followed by "micro-shorts and novellas for everything! Stall for time until Abnett or ADB can get a book out!" Thankfully we're done with that phase, as seen by all of the anthologies coming out. Now that the team is primarily Haley, Wright, French,and Kymewith the occasional ADB or McNeil, I'd say we're back to some pretty good quality, full length novels. Not to mention the desire by all the authors to make the push to Terra more front and center.
>>47129744
Problem is we're still going to get Kyme's dreck for anything Salamander.
>>47129758
I was trying not to remind myself...
>>47129766
Reminder that if the Loyalists on Isstvan III had giant flamethrowers, then they could have burned the Life Eater before it fucked over the planet, if Kyme is to be believed.
>>47129758
Kyme said in a recent interview that due to the success and popularity of his original salamander trilogy, he is going start working of a new Salamander trilogy.
You guys hyped?
How frequently do you guys use Force orgs other than the basic Age of Darkness? I was thinking of using the Onslaught with my Orbital Assault just for guaranteed 2nd turn, but then I started feeling like a WAAC cheesefag.
>>47128957
I dont mind the dread, as for the torso, it deserves to be decimated
>>47129744
>idiot write a HH novel" followed by "micro-shorts and novellas for everything
Then we can get that story where the Emperor takes the Sisters of Silence on an erotic diner date?
>>47129777
Nurgle, explain how it works.
>>47130276
eh i'd read it on a train to somewhere
What do you guys think of legion? got a birthday comping up, and its a toss up between that and Germs, Guns and Steel
>>47130305
Just don't let ADB near it. Have McNeil do it.
>>47130314
>gems
>guns
Blood Angels have both.
>>47130348
>Gems
nigga read
>>47129692
Sorry. Not Calth, but Isstvaan V, i always get those two mixed up
>>47130416
Isstvaan begins with an I, the I of Horus.
Calth and Ultramarines both begin with C.
>>47130314
I just finished Legion last week, and honestly it was my favorite one yet. Note that the only ones I'd read prior were the first trilogy, Eisenstein, and Fulgrim.
>>47130444
Nice trips.
I assume you are calling Ultramarines cunts
>>47130400
My bad. I didn't see the r.
>>47130495
welp, seeing as those are the ones i'v red (plus mechanicum, plus outcast dead, but OCD can suck a big black cock), i take that as a glowing endorsement!
>>47130303
In Deathfire, the Death Guard attack Nocturne. There is not a single orbital defence platform, station or vessel to stop an already crippled battleship from attaining orbital supremacy over a legion homeworld and bombarding it. They unleash the life eater virus upon the planet. You know, the Virus that turned Isstvan III onto a dead world? Yeah, well the Salamanders burn it away with giant flamethrowers. Forgetting that by the time it hits the Atmosphere, the Planet is already fucked. Forgetting that flame + Life Eater creates a raging inferno that should have at the very least scoured part of the surface clear. Nope, somehow the Salamanders have proven that if they had put giant Flamethrowers all over the Choral City, the Loyalists on Isstvan III could have stopped the Life Eater.
>>47130578
Was the gaint flamers even powered by psychic energy?
>>47129020
>It require an additional, separate board at least 48"x48"
What? No it doesn't.
>>47130578
>Forgetting that flame + Life Eater creates a raging inferno
That's not why the Inferno happened on Istvaan. It started because they ignited all of the methane that was released into the air from the death of everything living thing. The virus itself was already gone.
Is Descent of Angels any good?
>>47130682
I found it very meh
>>47130682
It's alright, gives a little insight into the Lion/Luther relationship, but the story is overall meh. I even forgot I had read it when I was recommending Legion to the anon above, and I had read it right before Legion. So take that as you will.
>>47130652
Yes it does.
And at least 36" apart, plus the length of the flyer and that gives you about 48".
You need another game board or use the floor.
>>47130823
What the fuck is that shit. That almost makes me want to never take flyers so I don't have to put up with that bullshit if my opponent wants to. At least the psychic phase consolidates psychic powers so it's abundantly clear when they happen, this adds nothing but moar randumb and pads out an already long game. And I'm guessing you can lose your flyers before they even make it to the table. Fuck that entirely.
>>47130969
Right?
Attack patterns and wing leaders? Cool. Makes Sub Orbital Strike Wings not suck.
Attack and Pursuit stats? Cool, make them feel like actual aircraft, not just really fast skimmers.
No cover other thank jink for zooming flyers? What happend to true LoS?
Only fighters get skyfire? What the actual hell? Oh they have -1BS to compensate? I'll take Strafing Run and Twin Linked weapons for 500 Alex.
Dog Fight Phase based mostly on RNG that needs a side board for a mini game? Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll no.
>>47127913
Nobody's denying scoped pistols exist. But using one as a sniper rifle in the game...?
>>47131034
>Only fighters get skyfire?
Weren't ground attack craft able to engage in air combat as well? And bomber can have turrets and shit shooting in the air. That's what I got when I read the descriptions in the WD scans.
Would make sense that bombers are dedicated ground attack vehicles that can defend against enemy fighters, but can't go around dogfighting very well. Ground attack craft would be in the middle, ok in both. Fighters would be the air-supremacy interceptors that fuck up flyers, but aren't so great at ground combat.
>Dog Fight Phase based mostly on RNG that needs a side board for a mini game?
What, you don't want to play MORE? Next we must make outflanking units able to attack enemy reserves. Including your drop pods and shit. Because that makes sense, right?
>>47131047
Marine sniper rifles shoot a laser to create a hole for a poisonous crystal to enter.
There's worse in-lore.
>>47131103
Special turrets and stuff still get it. But that's a case by case basis.
>>47131146
>Marine sniper rifles shoot a laser to create a hole for a poisonous crystal to enter
Are you sure that's not Dark Eldar snipers?
>>47131194
I wish it was.
>>47130823
Does anyone have the other pages?
>>47131216
I don't know what to say. What's the source on the marine laser hole making poisonous crystal shooting sniper rifle?
>>47131265
Every modern marine codex ever
>>47131146
>Marine sniper rifles shoot a laser to create a hole for a poisonous crystal to enter.
It's still a rifle, not a pistol with a scope. I don't know what you're trying to state here.
>>47131250
Got that from BnC http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321788-new-flyers-stormhawk-and-blastajet-all-new-flyer-rules/page-28#entry4386718
>>47131313
That an absolutely ridiculous weapon already exists. It's a beam of light that guides a frozen poisonous dart that also pulses to penetrate armor. A bolt pistol with custom long burn ammo or something is more believable.
>>47131300
That's stupid. Too stupid.
>>47131345
Well, then you must not mind if all these bolt pistol scouts of mine are sniper scouts. And all those lightning claw terminators are regular terminators, they just shoot bolts of lightning from their power fists equipped with blades.
>>47130969
>That almost makes me want to never take flyers so I don't have to put up with that bullshit if my opponent wants to
If you don't have any flyers and your opponent does, he has Air Superiority which lets him re-roll reserves and you get -1 to reserves
>>47131300
Do give a direct quote or stop lying. I can't find shit about needle rifles or sniper rifles firing poison darts via lasers.
That shit's old by several editions by now.
>>47131461
START THE CLOCK
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sniper_rifle#Space_Marine_Sniper_Rifle
Total time: 3 seconds to confirm. But can we go double or nothing?
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle#Space_Marine_Variant
Total time: 7 seconds.
>>47128858
DIsordered charges gain no bonus. But at least they become Stubborn without needing to allocate an ironfire counter beforehand
>>47128864
Hammer of Medusa lets you bring up to 4 Heavy Support choices.
>>47128922
I don't know what thing goes in what choice anymore.
>>47128902
Vindicator saturation is a thing, and the IW can bring enough to make it worth it. However, things in 30k are tough and killy enough that they stand a higher chance to destroy the Vindicators, who get a higher chance of success based on numerical advantage rather than because of their endurance (who tailor list to stop the ride of the Vindis?). You could catch them with their pants down.
>>47128957
>did any legion get cucked as hard as the Iron Warriors
Nope, cuckhammer30k. Shit models, autistic primarch, decimation, lame LA rule...but we do have the Ironfire :^)
>>47128977
You think we asked for it or something?
>>47128985
>Sue me
Garrison duty for you
>>47129038
I like the DG contemptor. Not flashy at all, which is how the DG was. But at least isn't plain ugly like the IW. Maybe FW was going for that "made out of battlefield debris" shit. Because it looks made out of trash, >>47130136.
>>47131521
>Lexicanum explicitly separates Space Marine Sniper Rifles (that fire solid shells) with Needlers (that fire toxin bullshit)
>latest source for regular Sniper Rifles is 5e SM codex
>latest source for Needlers is 2e splatbooks and 1990-91 White Dwarf
>40k wikia's source criticism is infamously terrible as always
Way to prove yourself wrong.
>>47129007
Better than the 6th edition one.
>>47130578
>>47130662
Maybe if you burn the life eater virus BEFORE it finished its work, you can be saved. Especially when the planet has like 7 cities separated by volcanic scorched ground. The virus propagates itself using the wind, but only affects living things, and as such it'd be less effective if the planes has expanses devoid of life, like Nocturne or Medusa.
>>47130823
>Hear about dogfight phase
>Can't be that bad
>It is much worse than I thought
I mean I guess they wanted to make flyers play a bigger role in battle than showing up on turn 3 and dying on turn 4, but this is real retarded.
>>47131521
>claims all the latest SM codexes have the fluff
>links to lexicanum and wiki
Anon, please.
Also, your "modern" marine codex, according to those links, is 5e at tops. How about you just fuck off already?
>>47131459
....Welp, gg my Tyranids. No flyers, only FMCs. And with a couple lists that depend heavily on reserves for deep striking things. But anyway, back to HH.
>>47130578
That is so fucking retarded.
>>47132042
The DG back there is choking. Of laughter. It reminds me of that old spiderman cartoon
Perty jumps from high altitude with his Iron Circle into an Imperial Fist fortress. Where does it happen (and why no deesptrike on iron circle)?
>>47132249
>where does it happen
You mean in which BL book? Angel Exterminatus, in the opening battle.
>>47132298
thanks
>>47131753
i think they wanted to give the impression the IW are fond of slapping spaced armor onto everything.
problem is it doesn't look like add-on armor and it isn't spaced.
>>47128566
>>47128538
>>47128344
I play a cults and militia horde army. He brought a pair of heavy support squads to keep me pinned and he moved up blasting me with quad guns. It was actually a perfect list to counter my swarms of non-fearless, low SV infantry. It was a really fun game casual game to play, I'm not whining I was just impressed by the synergy this guy had built
>>47130050
No other force orgs with RoWs
>>47132409
Pretty much, yeah. I understood it at "I play a cults and militia horde army", kek. Those guys are the anvil, didn't you have a hammer?
>>47132403
>i think they wanted to give the impression the IW are fond of slapping spaced armor onto everything.
But they do, don't they. True, it could have been done better.
>>47132249
>and why no deesptrike on iron circle
Because, as the rest of this thread will attest, being an IW is suffering and having a rules that are unequivocally good would provide some ray of hope
Now, put your start pattern pajamas on an, and go to sleep, but don't forget to brush your teeth or papa perty will knock 1/10th of them out for not being the cleanest
>>47132146
kek
>>47132450
It's four leman russes that throw the S8 AP3 around. I particularly care to make the army competitive, I find that everyone has more fun when they get to kill lots of models you know?
Horde armies get fuck all done in the massive point horus heresy games anyway
>>47132042
>>47132249
>>47132298
Oh, by the way, I got into 30k because of the HH rulebooks. Say, what are those comic called? And are there stories that I can read without reading all the other novels beforehand? I know stuff from the lore and the wiki, I'm not completely lost. I guess.
We all know Emps gets interred on the Golden throne anyway.
>>47132451
>but don't forget to brush your teeth or papa perty will knock 1/10th of them out for not being the cleanest
kek
Off-topic, but who's hyped for Stellaris?
It would be really sad if the Blorg were actually in the Warhammer universe. ;_;
>>47132730
I think it sounds nice, but paradox will make a big cash grab for dlcs as allways...
>>47132730
First game I ever pre-ordered, will probably regret it immensly. Regardless I am hoping at making the most warlike species possible. Think you can make your armies do like +60% damage from the start if you choose the right trait and philosophy.
>>47132824
I will go for sedentary or decadent fanatical collectivist, minor xenophobic despotic empire with the positive race traits of conformist and communal.
insect race war now.
>>47132730
Gotta go full Xenophobic atheist Imperium with huge fleets, big tanks, big marines, and an even bigger number of mortal soldiers.
"All we wanted was to be left alone"
Fuck you! Compliance it is!
>>47132551
Scars, Fear To Tread and Know No Fear, I guess, seeing how all three feature characters who only learn about this whole "Heresy" thing by proxy in those books. And those three are pretty decent novels, too, though YMMV, I guess. Also Serpent Beneath, and Wolf Of Ash And Fire, seeing how in SB you're not supposed to know anything, and WOAAF is Crusade-era.
Not sure what comic you're talking about, though.
Is there any cool art of MKV armour floating around? Modding Calth marines and looking for inspiration.
>>47133174
no, because its the shittiest armor, you will use MKIV and you will like it!
>>47133192
Fuck you guy, MKV rocks. Are you some kind of faggot who doesn't enjoy rubbing your studded little soldier-men on your erogenous zones?
>>47132450
>Those guys are the anvil
Well, thirty jelly anvils.
>>47133292
I stick them in my ears, so no.
>>47133174
MKV can be pretty much anything you want it to be, just keeping the general design principles of space marine armour: backpack, helmet, and PAULDRONS.
You can pretty much do anything, as long as you cover it in studs, which, thankfully, WW2 modelling produces in pretty much any size suitable for 28mm.
1d4chan's 30k army list article had some links for conversions, but I'm sure googling will get you results for guides and such.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_%2830k%29
(Under the "Building your army" section).
>>47133437
Whenever I head the words "Imperial Militia Horde" I imagine about 150 levy models. 100 Minimum. Anything less is useless to the Corpsegrinders.
>>47133471
I know all that. I'm not look for guides, I want cool art with oddball power armour in MKV style. like so. Green stuff and studs are easy enough to do.
>>47133174
>>47133471
>MKV can be pretty much anything you want it to be
>>47133626
Yeah, so these suits used as many pre-existing components "as possible", were "stopgaps", "designed overnight", featured "spin-offs" from other design programs, and "vary a great deal".
>>47133592
I can't really help you with that, sorry.
It's designed to be ugly, slapdash stuff, and it's a fluffy excuse for varied/inconsistent armour designs (by both GW and player conversions), so it probably doesn't feature in art that much to avoid giving the impression that it's either standardised or ornate.
Mixing in legion-specific gear with Mk5 parts, or converting them to have studs and the like, could make for cool legion-specific Mk5 armour, if one felt like it.
A lot of people don't like the Iron Warriors "chest star", so scraping that off and replacing it with studs or whatever might look nice, and the IW dreadnought has larger studs on it, so use those as inspiration, if you want.
>>47133605
That's basically what "artificer" MkV armour is in Horus Heresy fluff, although I'm sure that late-heresy and post-heresy there'll have been enough heroic deeds done in certain suits of MkV to justify the suits being treated as relics and "pimped out".
Another fluffy excuse for giving your heresy-era guys MkV artificer armour is that they were re-built out of damaged top-tier MkIV armour or the like, were custom jobs by the marines themselves, or were test-models for advanced systems present in later marks of armour.
>>47133592
Reavers are a decent-enough place to start. Their armour is personalised and cobbled together from prototype pieces, with no standardisation.
>>47134354
>Kharn has an exposed arm
>Artificer armour
30k has many 2+ saves, marine-boy
>>47134354
>Yeah, so these suits used as many pre-existing components "as possible", were "stopgaps", "designed overnight", featured "spin-offs" from other design programs, and "vary a great deal".
MkV was not "what ever you want it to be". If it is, I'd love to see the fluff on that, because when ever I ask people who push that narrative, the best they can come up with is some novel where a dude doesn't realize he's wearing MkV armour. Mainly proving he's an idiot.
MkV was actually designed with instructions how to make them. Mechanicum designed it and distributed the plans around. You don't distribute schematics for "do what ever you like, we don't care." It used the MkIV style solid plate armour (with its own design, such as the knee pads) instead of the segmented ones the MkII and III used. It used MkII/III power cabling, which didn't fit under the armour. In some cases MkIV cabling was available and was used (so no external cables on the limbs). The helmet was its own design, though MkIV helmets were sometimes used.
The whole idea was to take the simple armour design of the MkIV and marry it with the components of pre-MkIV suits, which were readily available with people who knew how to make and maintain them.
The suits of armour that were just made from pieces of other armour were not MkV, they were just scavenged and repaired suits, or custom jobs made by factories with limited resources. It's unfair to throw all these suits under the label of MkV when we have clear definitions on what the MkV was all about.
>>47134460
LOVE THEM, GOOD WORK.
>>47133471
>studs, which, thankfully, WW2 modelling produces in pretty much any size suitable for 28mm
I can't find any when I look for them online, what are they usually called?
>>47134689
Of course it has proper instructions on how to make it. Thing is, because of the disrupted supply lines and shortage of, well, everything, it ENDED UP being a "cobble up whatever you can" armour, the defining trait being overabundance of molecular bonding studs because the pieces sometimes didn't fit quite right (studs already existed on previous armours).
MkV is MkIV 2.0, but most of the time it also incorporates a few other pieces of previous patterns, scavenged from the battlefield, WITH bonding studs. Pictured here is one of a few examples of how you could mixmatch armour patterns yet still not be MkV, because studs.
>>47134837
Rivets, I believe.
A lot of WW2 tank designs used them for production efficiency, even though they were actually a weakness in combat, because if an impact hit, rivets would sometimes go into the tank, functioning as bullets against the crew, even if the shot didn't penetrate.
Some people also use hole-punches through plasticard, apparently.
>>47134689
Go talk to the wiki people, then, because that's not the impression they're giving.
>This ad-hoc assemblage of various armour mark segments (including new or unoffical design elements) being created by a multitude of legions resulted in an entirely new mark of armour being 'accidentally' created; these previously non-standard, emergency/stopgap designs were retroactively termed as the Mark V once production of the Mark IV was halted and the design for the subsequent Corvus Armour mark (Mark VI) was finalised. Some form of standardisation across Mark V suits is is notable, despite their apparently random creation and individual varied origins, due to the dissemination of molecular bonding techniques across the legions.
Yes, obviously, the designs need to look like Space Marines, but it's not a precisely standardised design, it's a blanket designation for ad-hoc designs, even if 95%+ of them shared the use of rivets, and certain designs proved common (ie: made in official kits).
The Mark 7 that served for 10,000 years after the Heresy was done before the end of the heresy, and the prototypes and trial models for features that were or were not used in it were likely developed before the HH and the Scouring destroyed a great deal of the Imperium's wealth and knowledge, and turned it into a "hidebound", conservative, and defensive society rather than an expansionist and innovative one. It makes sense that Mk 7 made with sub-par, nonstandard, or prototype materials (represented by the studs) would feature in this "blanket descriptor" Mk 5, rather than it being a specifically ugly and stud-encrusted design.
>>47134861
>the defining trait being overabundance of molecular
MkV had studs because they used lower quality materials in the armour, which required reinforcing. When better quality materials were available, studs were not needed. Same as with the cabling. As it stands, you can quite easily take, say, MkVIII suit (the shape of the knee pads is a little off, but close enough) with the cable torso and a MkIV helmet and call it MkV. It'd be perfectly in line with >>47133626, which says MkIV cabling, armour and helmets were used when available.
>>47134861
A question I wonder (though at this point it's really fucking spergy and TOTALLY UNNECESSARY) is whether the Forge World upgrade kits for BaC for certain Legions for whom the torsos and heads were MkIII count as "Mark V".
I don't think it does. In the Imperial Fist Task Force image, the unit has MkIV armour as base, with torsos that were obviously designed as upgrades for the MkIII kit, and heads that are indisputably Mk III heads. To complicate things even further, the armour from BaC has studs in it, meaning even more confusion.
The way I'd see it is that the torsos are hand-waved as ornate legion-specific models for whatever mark the troops are wearing, the helmets are Mark 3 retrofitted to Mk IV armour, and the studded parts are NOT Mk V, but Mk IV made with substandard material, and given studs to compensate for that.
Mark V is different from Mark IV (though it includes parts of Mark IV, and is backwards compatible with it), but it is NOT because it is a standardised replacement design, but because it is ad-hoc salvaged designs and prototypes.
Hell, the definitive proof that Mark V armour isn't a fucking new design is that the "Corvus" armour we all know as Mark VI was preliminarily designated as Mark V:
>The Mark VI prototype design (which bore the provisional designation of Mk V at the time) was field-tested during the Scalland Campaign by Legionaries of the Raven Guard
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#Mark_5_.22Heresy_Armour.22
The other wiki says this, as well:
>With full production not yet begun on Mars and in the absence of reliable Legion supply lines, the Mechanicum had designated all non-standard or stop-gap designs of Power Armour as the Mark V "Heresy" Pattern.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Armour
>>47135107
>listening to wiki
>ever
Strike one, anon.
>it's not a precisely standardised design
Even though the fluff says it is?
>>47135215
Here's the image of the Imperial Fists Task Force equipped by Forge World with Forge World armour technically from different sets.
The World Eaters, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and White Scars also have pre-Mark IV armour mixed in with the studded Mark IV armour from the BaC set, so some backwards compatibility isn't totally non-canon, if FW explictly made model configurations like that.
Also, the Raven Guard Task Force uses Mk VI parts in conjunction with Mk IV parts, though that's not obvious proof that they've modified any individual component of the armour, just that they've mixed Mk VI parts in with Mk IV parts.
So, while it's technically true that a "suit" can be called Mark V, there isn't a standardised "Mark V" design, and it'd be more accurate to describe individual parts of the suit as being "Mark V" rather than a suit that's a combination of backwards-compatible pieces.
Even a Mark IV or Mark VI piece that has studs in it isn't necessarily Mark V - it might be following the official design for the pieces, just with studs to support the substandard materials.
>>47135341
>Even though the fluff says it is?
Citation fucking needed.
>>47135109
>>47135215
MkV is loosely defined. Pic here is described as MkIV repaired with scavenged pieces, instead of merely saying "this is MkV".
>>47135341
>>47135379
Does anyone have pics of pristine factory-made MkV? All I see as mark-specific is their Mantilla/Sarum helmets with bonding studs.
4 10-man tactical squads in rhinos
or
2 20-man tactical squads foot slogging with apothecaries?
>>47135433
Nobody knows. What do you want to do with them?
Probably two 20-man squads with apothecary.
>>47135475
I play EC to probably get them into combat I guess
rest of my list is flyers, assault units and dreads
>>47135215
>MkIV armour as base, with torsos that were obviously designed as upgrades for the MkIII kit,
MkIV and V can have heavy plate on top of the cabling, making it look more like MkIII.
>it is NOT because it is a standardised replacement design
Even though GW's own article (>>47133626) says it is. But hey, I'm sure wiki knows better.
>Hell, the definitive proof that Mark V armour isn't a fucking new design is that the "Corvus" armour we all know as Mark VI was preliminarily designated as Mark V:
You'll have to explain this. Because the MkVI the RG were using was just a prototype suit not in production yet and the designation was just something the slapped to it for the time being. And all this happened before the Heresy. The MkV was designed and put into production at the outset of the Heresy, thus beating the MkVI to the punch of becoming the next official production suit. The MkVI entered official service after the MkV, even though it was being prototyped before. There's nothing magical about it.
>>47135379
>Citation fucking needed.
Have you read the thread? >>47133626
>>47135433
or
3 10-man veteran tactical squads in rhinos with pride of the legion rite of war
or
3 5-man terminator/phoenix terminator squads doing whatever with pride of the legion rite of war
or
3 10-man kakophoni squads foot slogging with 3rd company elite rite of war?
>>47135414
>MkV is loosely defined.
How does that picture, which specifically says it's MkIV and not V, prove that V is loosely defined? All I see is a MkIV with reinforced torso (as seen on FW's own MkIV assault marines and Destroyers) and a reinforced shoulder pad.
>Does anyone have pics of pristine factory-made MkV?
The FW models? Pic related?
>All I see as mark-specific is their Mantilla/Sarum helmets with bonding studs.
They also have the MkVI-VII style backpack and gauntlets, knee pads with the flattened tear drop shape, MkVI-VII style torso armour with the X-shaped cabling, and shoulder pads without trim.
Other features include cabling on the legs and arms and studs on the greaves, helmet and left shoulder. Though these vary depending on the materials available. If MkIV cabling and better armour materials are available, then cabling and/or studs would be lacking.
>>47131753
that fucking star lmao
>>47135793
Pert was feeling generous and decided his boys were good enough to earn a star.
>>47135862
Perturabo's star
>Awarded for zeal during legion decimation
>>47135697
I remember MkIV Despoilers having some sort of chest exposed cables, but mkV has some unique features
But I think I got it then:
>Studded Mantilla helmet.
>Rimless pauldrons.
>Round kneeplates
>Exposed thigh cables, akin to Mk2 but unsegmented.
>Exposed chest cables too.
>Muh studded CROTCH (go ahead, prove me wrong).
>Plain vambraces
>At least one studded pauldron. Even if all other things are right, without at least one studded pauldron the design ceases to be MkV
Design subject to incorporate pieces of other marks scavenged from the battlefield.
>>47135862
So, top 10th get a star, random 10th get decimated. Fuck it. The helmets are fine, but being marked with the star? Klovis' decimation would be more mercifulHe'd do both, just to be sure
>>47135983
>I remember MkIV Despoilers having some sort of chest exposed cables
At least the ones FW sells have plates on top of the cables. And some of the MkIV torsos GW has made has had similar designs. At least the BA ones.
>Design subject to incorporate pieces of other marks scavenged from the battlefield.
All marks were mixed. The FW books are filled with images of power armour with all manner of mixes. The MkV was not the only one.
Ladies please, MkV is a stop gap, its the techmarines/magi offering a quick solution before Corvus armor was out
>Damn it! We need a new armor, MkIV aint working too well, what do we have?
>We can start producing this.
>Looks like shit, the fuck is that? Where is corvus armor?
>Not ready for production
>Well if it gets the job done then start production on MkV, label Corvus as MkVI
Its not a cobbled up from shit but also was not meant to be and thus not optimal.
>>47135960
Thanks for the laugh.
>>47135983
He was in a good mood. Would you rather him give you a square?
>>47133626
>>47134354
>>47134689
>>47134861
>>47135107
>>47135109
>>47135215
>>47135379
>>47135414
>>47135556
>>47135983
>>47136116
Look guys, this is all nice and well, but all I wanted was some cool art of MKV or other inspiration like >>47134460 or >>47135697
Is there any point to playing Ordo Reductor? It seems like the absolute worst army in 30k.
>>47130495
Dan's work goes straight down hill after that bro.
>>47135793
You could always do something similar to what I do with my EC.
>Everyone gets the aquila torso
>Only some veterans, officers, and sergeants get the special EC helmets
I actually find it kind of weird that every legion is so special snowflake when it comes to armour, one would figure that most marines would wear the basic Mk II or IV armour and not some special variant.
>>47136278
Which book you looking at?
They've had updates since book 1, and they can take pretty much anything the rest of the mechanicum can, plus a few unique things
>>47136349
Honestly its probably an attempt to sell more shit. I think they got someone not that talented (or nooby) to sculpt a lot of it. Because even things that should be impossible to not look shit sometimes do, like the AL icon shoulder pad.
>>47136401
I'd love to have powerhouse Reductor characters. Decima kinda sucks, and is more of a support character at best.
>>47136116
The question isn't whether it's a stopgap design, but whether there's a definitive design that is "Mark V".
I think it's absurd, because the argument that there's a "watermarked" Mark V design in-universe relies on the idea that EVERY legion detachment on both sides of the heresy was making their stopgap equipment to the same specifications.
"Almost literally overnight", doesn't actually mean that some techpriest on Mars heard the heresy had happened and stayed up that night to make a design which he sent off the following morning to every legion, just for the lulz.
It's a ridiculous notion that the stopgap armour design would be a standardised model imposed from the top, rather than an organically evolving superset of designs that met local tactical needs while staying within the design limits imposed by the availability of local resources and design knowledge.
How the hell are stopgap designs over in Ultramar supposed to be the same as those being produced on Mars and Terra? It's contrary to the logic of the fluff to assume that Mark V was one specific design for every Space Marine force in the galaxy, when parts of the galaxy didn't know what the hell was going on on the other side of the Ruinstorm.
If there is a "definitive" Mark V design, who designed it? The Martians? Why would they send it to both sides of the conflict? Why would their design be the most efficient stop-gap design for every forge in the galaxy, given the huge divergence in logistical considerations across the galaxy?
It's stupid even thinking about this.
>>47136554
Okei m8
>>47136146
Ugh, fine...
>>47136611
Lol senpai.
>>47136685
>>47136669
>>47136636
>>47136614
If all Mark V looks the same, why would anon need inspiration anyway?
>>47136724
And to top it off, here's some old artificer armour designs.
>>47136729
In fluff their design was uniformal (though like with chapter variants, there's visual differences depending on the factory). But I'm guessing anon was asking for different pieces of art, where slight design changes in the style can be seen. Like how the FW helmet is different from, say, >>47136636.
>>47136864
>In fluff their design was uniformal
I refuse to believe that, until someone can tell me which Forge World decreed that there be uniformity in the stop-gap ad-hoc design(s) across the entire galaxy after the outbreak of chaotic civil war.
>>47136636
What's wrong with his bolter?
>>47136936
>until someone can tell me which Forge World decreed that there be uniformity in the stop-gap ad-hoc design(s) across the entire galaxy
If anyone can, it's Mars. But they also declared for Horus early, didn't they? How early?
>>47136936
Mars.
Now provide me a source that MkV has no design behind it and is just a bunch of totally different suits made from salvaged parts.
>>47136938
>>47137004
You haven't provided a source that Mars designed it, so no.
>>47137038
Then fuck off back to wiki.
>>47137049
How bout you go fuck off back up your own asshole, where you get your sources?
>>47137062
You can deny reality all you want, I'll stick with official fluff and not some wiki fabrication.
>>47137106
Fluff which doesn't say what you want it to, and which you should actually cite, if you know better than the wiki. Go correct it if your version of events is correct.
>>47136401
>Thallax as mandatory troops
>Magos reductor can't take a jetpack or any means of relentless
So I have to spend at minimum 270 points on a useless troop choice and my HQ doesn't fit with any unit as an escort.
>>47137004
Here. Mk.V was at best a flexible template rather than a standardized design.
Riddle me this armor guys.
Did the first batch of space marines rock thunder warrior armor? Or MkII?
Source if you have it.
>>47137335
Mk2 was made after the Emperor and Mars made peace so Thunder Armor was worn by the first marines.
>>47137335
At the very start, yeah, they wore partial power armour, which would be Thunder Armour, but soon they were rocking MkII. The transition is seen in The Last Church, as the protaginist fights against Thunder Warriors (or at least ses them), and then is confronted by MkII marines outside the church.
>>47137457
>>47137469
thanks anons. I wonder why FW doesn't make some.
Which book is pic from? >>47137469
Reading Flight of the Eisenstein and how is Morty able to sneak up on Garro like that? Shouldn't something of his size be hard to miss, or his body odor give off his position. I also love that bit where Khârn is too much even for the most ruthless of the DG to stomach.
>>47137565
>I wonder why FW doesn't make some
Because Mk1 is unfit for combat in the "modern" 30k and was used for mostly ceremonial events.
>>47137335
After the agreement with Mars, they wore Mk II. So, basically only once the Unification Wars were over, did they switch over to Mk II.
But that's also when they killed off the Thunder Warriors, so Mk I armour probably wasn't worn by many Space Marines.
Even in the final battle of the Unification Wars (before the Great Crusade), the Space Marines that massacred the last bunch of Thunder Warriors might have been equipped partially or wholly with Mark 2 armour, in a similar way to how Horus diverted Mark IV armour to the traitor legions and gave the guys on Isstvaan equipment they could afford to lose.
Still, the canon isn't anywhere as fleshed out as the confused origins of Mark 5 are, and the actual history is "the stuff of legend", and there are multiple official depictions of Thunder Armour with Ultramarines painting, which probably isn't canon unless some Ultrasmurfs are doing historical reenactment, because the early legions all wore grey at the very start of the Crusade, so even if Space Marines wore Thunder Armour in the very earliest days of their existence, it's unlikely they would have been used in battle in even the pre-Primarch colours of the legions.
>>47137565
HH1, the intro sets up the useful things to know.
>>47137565
It's from book 1.
FW won't make them unless they release a ruleset for the Unification Wars and/or Great Crusade, which they probably won't do until the canon of the post-Heresy has advanced until the Ecclesiarchy has been established.
>>47137617
It's probably a psychic ability Mortarion doesn't know is psychic, or else something very close to a psychic ability, where he can electromagnetically manipulate the molecules around him to refract light around him so he's invisible and hold them in place so that he's silent. A bit of a "handwave", "reverse polarity" trope, my explanation. It doesn't have any backing in fluff, but it's a question of soft sci-fi, so if some kind of theoretical thing can't explain it, it's literally magic.
>>47137779
Thanks for that, Nurgle. That must be how his dignity left him.
>>47137617
>his body odor give off his position
Maybe he was standing downwind.
More seriously, though, maybe the same thing that RG is, I think, using to silence their seven-feet-plus power armour to be able to be sneaky. Padded boot soles or somesuch.
>>47137990
Only if Mort would do that for Footsool.
>padded boot soles
Never figured him to be someone to use those.
>>47137990
I think he used latent psychic abilities like Corax to sneak around. But it's different, and maybe more powerful (in some aspects). Remember he was schooled by a nechromancer.
>He's aware, with uncanny accuracy, of the ebb and flow of the battle, instinctively knowing where he's needed
That's some sort of Divination thingie.
>He gives the impression of being everywhere at once, and can teleport across walls in the tabletop, most evident when playing Zones Mortalis. He even sneaked into the Emperor's palace.
Looks like a personal version of Gate of Infinity, and can do things not even Corax can, like getting inside inaccessible places.
>>47138233
Yeah, that makes more sense than what I pondered in >>47137990. I kinda forgot about this whole "getting into inaccessible places" thing.
One can wonder how he justifies it, considering his "burn the witch" policies.
>>47138335
Maybe he's not aware of it or doesn't know it's psychic powers?
>>47138362
>"Hm, I've just teleported through that wall... yep, probably nothing out of the ordinary."
Well... not exactly impossible to conceive, but I'm guessing some denial, however subconscious, must've been going on there.
>>47138387
Maybe he doesn't notice the walls.
>>47138335
>>47138387
>>47138463
Hillariously, Calas, who can cast Invisibility, is forbidden of using his powers on the same field as Mortarion, who constantly uses Invisibility/Teleportation.
>>47138362
He must be aware that it has something to do with being a witchmind, like his dad.
>>47138463
>In Mortarion's universe, people can lean on air, and don't feel the need for privacy when using toilet.
>In fact, in Mortarion's universe, there's no such thing as privacy.
>>47138518
I was more thinking he doesn't see the specific wall he's teleporting through but that works
>Morty thinks Dorn and Perturabo have imaginary building projects.
>>47138601
Doors must be puzzling to him, too.
>>47138463
Is this a fight club situation?
The first rule of Death Guard is you don't talk about walls?
>>47138726
>>47138601
This is now canon.
>>47137295
>and my HQ doesn't fit with any unit as an escort
give him a heavy weapon and put him with myrmidon destructors or tech-priest reductors. problem solved. a unit of priests with conversion beamers is a pretty cheap long range support choice and gives you a lot of ablative wounds to hide your HQ in. you can even give guns to the servo-automata if you're feeling eccentric but that's probably not worth it.
>>47138636
Well he does ram a hive city with a starship. Maybe he didn't see it.Maybe he didn't even see the planet, given how he also ignored the other ones
>>47138838
Well, I guess we assume he sees floors, otherwise he might have trouble functioning.
>>47137295
You could make him an Archmagos to get Relentless...but you can have only one. Alternatively, he does nice with a Scyllax, whic can take a Triaros DT.
Too bad the AdMech lacks any sort of assault transports.
>>47138882
>He sees floors, otherwise he might have trouble functioning.
Does he need to, though?
>mfw all DG battles are space infantry battles.
>>47138925
>Space Infantry Battles
Best kind of battles desu.
Vehicles are expensive, and make certain conflicts just not happen.
>>47138387
>>47138463
>>47138518
>>47138601
>>47138636
>>47138726
>>47138838
>>47138882
>>47138925
Thanks all of you for this. I think the best answer is a combination of Barabus fumes, subconscience denial, and his psychic powers messing with his eyes.
>>47138896
It just a really strange combination especially since you have to take thallax but don't have access to a jetpack. In effect for access to artillery (and that's really all ordo reductor gives you) you have to pay a large number of points for a shitty mandatory troop choice and the price of a special escort for your magos or archmagos who to top it all off is much more expensive than the generic magos primes. By the time you are able to even buy artillery you have spent at minimum 395 points on units that are literally worthless except as meat shields. If you want to get decent troops or for your HQ to live for more than one turn you are probably paying more like 800 points before you start adding the artillery that you wasted all these points getting access to.
Beyond that there is the fact that it is pretty much impossible for ordo reductor to make real use of their special FoC unless you are in effectively apocalypse scale games.
It feels like FW just removed options from reductor or gave them random options that don't help much just so they could have a different army.
I had an idea /hhg/, tell me if it's shitty
I want to make a white scars army during the mid-late heresy, and want them to look like they're really fucked, having to scavenge for supplies and shit.
Does anyone have links on how to convert to different armour marks? I want guys with chunks of MKII, MKV, maybe a little MKIV and MKVI for the big bosses, but don't want to have to pay an arm and a leg for all the different marks. Also it would be pretty cool for some guys to have one leg of MKII and one of MKIV or something along those lines.Even better if you can show me how to do bike legs and arms, being White Scars and all, but I understand that's a long shot
I'm not sure if this would look shitty, and if it does I might just go with all MKII. Cheers in advance.
>>47125241
>Fulgrim cosplaying as Ferrus
>>47139384
Well they gotta bring Thallax, given how they were invented by the Ordo Reductor. Thing is, they now need to tweak Thallax in order to work with the army. All units in the army outdo Thallax. Melee? Covered by Scyllax, Ursarax and Vorax (ax ax ax). Objetive capping? That's what Thralls were invented for. Anti-armour? As if our MCs weren't able to punch Spartans to death, not to mention Reductor gets a billion Medusae.
Thallax are currently nothing but tax, and I doubt they could be worth their points even if each one was able to buy a special weapon, given they cost as much as Terminators.
Out of common curiousity how reasonable would it be for the Imperium to raid the Traitor Legions during the Scourging for relics and what not? Like taking the SoH's tomes on psychic powers written by the Librarians before their fall from grace?
>Think you can have good psychic powers? Nah, niggas, we're taking your books for our nerds.
>>47139648
That's what the Inquisition does. All the time.
Case in point: maintaining direct access to Magnus' shattered stream of consciousness.
>>47139648
I wouldn't touch chaos marine things. They're either daemonic, corrupting or both. Giving them to your librarians would be the worst idea ever.
>>47139648
At the time of the Scouring, the Imperium wanted nothing to do with the traitor legions, hence trying to scour away every trace of them. They'd probably burn any traitor equipment they found, not to mention it would probably also be all chaosified.Also you faggots need to learn it's Scouring not Scourging
>>47139693
There is one type of dude in the AdMech called a Techrocist. Yeah. Their job is to remove corrupted machine spirits so it can't be that hard to remove the taint from a book. Just beat it with a stick, or read a book so horrible to the mind of anything Chaotic. It will get bored, or yied eventually.
>>47139714
My mistake, Anon.
>>47139693
>>47139714
You mean like the Gauntlets of Ultramar?
>>47139831
Rowboat probably tortured the daemon within them by reading the Codex over and over until the daemon couldn't take it anymore.
>>47139877
Not likely, supposedly their armored shell has never been penetrated.
Obviously not a Slaaneshi artifact.
>>47139478
Jeez, given the shitstorm during the debate over whether Mk 5 was uniform, I'll be brief in saying that not all of the marks can be mixed around. You can only mix the parts between Mark 4 to Mark 7 around freely, and Mark 3 is just an up-armoured version of Mark 2, so while mixing Mark 3 parts with Mark 2 is probably lore-friendly, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
The simplest way to make a mid-heresy "out of supply" look is weathering your models, and giving them a large amount of studs in conversions (arguably conversions to Mark V, but the nerd rage was strong earlier in the thread, so I'll just say most blogs have guides to converting to Mark V).
Since you're interested in the White Scars legion, you've got a whole new interesting avenue of looking "rugged". You can use pieces from AoS (or 3rd party, though I'm not very familiar with the options available from either) to make your Scars look more like medieval steppe peoples "reverting to barbarism", mostly by taking their shirts off and using a lot more leather than someone in the 31st Millennium has any need to.
I first encountered this style of conversion from this blog, but I'm sure there's more that can be uncovered with sleuthing or from recommendations from anons who play legions/chapters where shirtlessness and pre-space flight technology and aesthetics are more important.
http://wilhelminiatures.blogspot.ie/2015/11/wip-betrayal-at-calth-boxed-set.html
When it comes to bikes, I believe the GW plastic bikes are canonical for the 31st Millennium, except the armour is in styles that weren't available to most legions for most of the heresy, and features symbolism that only became possible after the cultural change post-Heresy. However, that can all be dealt with by converting them, and Mark V armour is fluffy for all legions, particularly one in "your dudes"' situation, so it'll probably be okay with most people when it comes to making a HH bike squad from converted GW Bikers made to look Mk 5
>>47139610
These are pretty much my thoughts on Thallax.
>They are tough to kill but too expensive to be used in bulk
>They are mobile but are shitty assault units with meh guns
>They are good at ignoring cover but their guns have crappy AP and have a low rate of fire
>They can take special weapons but only three at most which makes an extremely expensive unit that does something mechanicum can do better for cheaper
>They can mess up infiltrators which is nice but hardly a saving grace
In effect they do lots of nice things but they don't synergize at all. My suggestion on how to fix them is
one of these
>Any of them can exchange their lightning gun for a special weapon
In effect they can become more mobile myrmidons with worse accuracy and better survivability, more importantly they can take better advantage of their -2 to cover (-3 if they are near a cyber occularis)
>Lightning guns are strength 5, AP 5, heavy 3
This allows them to utilize their -2 to cover effectively against cheap hordes camping in cover. If some Militia are hiding in woods they can fly right up to them, fire into them inflicting high losses and then either charge them to finish them off or retreat.
Ordo Reductor meanwhile should have something akin to paragon of metal they can give to units of thallax, sort of like the warlord's pet project. My thoughts were
>Unit improves their FnP to 4+ (so thallax are almost impossible to remove without demolisher cannons)
or
>Thallax gain WS 4 and can replace their CCWs with power weapons for 10 points each (a better escort for a melee oriented magos reductor)
or something in a similar vain
>>47140025
Cheers for the reply, didn't realise armour marks couldn't swap around parts.
I think the plan now is like what you said, try and convert GW bikers to MKII and give the MKII more leather and bonding studs than is acceptable, and maybe some exposed power cabling here and there.
Also is that backpack attached straight to the skin of that World Eaters back? If so that's metal as fuck.
Today I started the process of selling my 40k GK and DW armies and building my first 30k list. Can't wait to fuck up this guy with my horrible yellow painting
>>47139831
The Gauntlets pose no threat to the leader of the Ultramarines. The Devil is not mocked :^)
>>47140344
>mold lines and sprue connections everywhere
>Can't wait to fuck up this guy
You already have
>>47140344
clean up your nubs, fill your cracks, drill your barrels, yadda yadda yadda before you start painting.
>>47140195
>try and convert GW bikers to MKII
I'm afraid that might be impossible without a whole lot of (expensive, difficult, and very experimental) green stuff chop-and-change conversion, because the legs of seated bikers are pretty much different things from the legs of standing marines, even plastic ones. The best I think could be done with the GW bike riders is to remove post-heresy symbolism and add a lot of studs to make it look experimental/salvaged MkV armour instead of too "modern" armour. There are guides for this online, though a lot of the more exacting processes aren't essential, just add the studs and shave off eagles and purity seals.
As for the shirtlessness, I never considered how the power pack would connect to the marine, and it's something the author should have shown us, but canonically Marines have a sub-dermal implant that connects worn armour to their nervous systems, so all that probably needs to be done is to stick part of the connector bit on the back of a power armour torso onto the body, then smoothed the "join" with green stuff, and possibly added some cables or studs in the skin to make it look more steampunk.
And yes, it is metal as hell! :D
>>47140445
He's presumably going to fix them, Negative Nancy.
>>47140344
Good luck fellow Fist.
What's your process for getting yellow?
It's a pain of a colour to paint, but in my experience the best thing GW makes for it is Averland Sunset with coat(s) of Lamenter's Yellow. I've not seen this colour combination used a lot online (most people want a brighter, more monotone yellow than me), so I've not experimented a lot with edge highlights, but I've used light applications of the Hexos Palesun Dry paint, and it's looked good so far. Dorn Yellow from the "Edge" range is something I'm going to experiment with next time I get myself some plastic crack.
It basically looks like the Hexos colour put into a paint medium that can be used with conventional brushes for more precise highlighting. It's probably why the official GW manuals and guides (they have one on Youtube from the advent calendar) advocated using Ushabti Bone, even though it's far too bright and insufficiently yellow for either Averland Sunset or Yriel Yellow. Dorn Yellow is like a less gaudy, more yellow version of Ushabti Bone, better for "blending" with the colour it's meant for highlighting.
>>47131841
That one only LOOKS worse because Inquisition counted as part of normal armies back then. The 7E one is way worse, the image for 7E was merely provided with no pictures.
>>47131791
>>47132009
>The Codex Astartes states that a Space Marine must be schooled in every aspect of war, and this includes the use of weapon he may not necessarily go on to use as a fully-fledged Space Marine. The Sniper Rifle is such a weapon, and its use fits the tactical role of the Scout. The rifle fires a small dart made from a deadly neuro-toxin chemical. The liquid chemical is frozen into a dart or sliver within the gun before it is fired. Unerring accuracy is afforded by a low power beam of invisible laser-light which drives and guides the chemical dart to its target. If the target is armoured, the beam automatically pulses when the rifle is fired, punching a tiny hole which allows the toxic dart to penetrate.
Hasn't changed. That is what rifle scouts use. It's within the realm of common knowledge. It wasn't retconned or anything.
>>47140025
what? mixing in Mark 3 and Mark 2 with each other and other marks should be fine too.
FW even does it some of the books!
>>47133192
>>47133605
I bet you faggots like Mk III the best.
>>47140052
I would propose something more conservative: Make them cheaper and make lightning guns better. And make the Magos able to keep pace with them.
And give us an assault transport, for the love of the Omnissiah!
OR keep the same price, but give lightning guns AP3, for they really suck against infantry right now.
>>47140504
MKVII helmets could probably be used and written off as Sarum helmets, but the rest of MKVII is just too distinctive to get away with it I think.
Why did they make outriders MKIV? The two main biker legions, White Scars and Dark Angels are known for using masses of MKII, yet here we are with MKIV bikers. I am disappoint Forge World.
>>47140628
Yes, it's perfectly possible to do it in fluff, but just because it can be done doesn't mean it makes much sense, because the Mk3 is fluffed as close-assault armour so heavy that strains the power pack, and having only partial protection doesn't make a lot sense unless it's for a unit (bikers are ironically an ideal example) where certain parts of the body are more at risk than others.
Like, I get that anon's unit is going to be rough-riding guys with whatever they can scavenge, but if he buys Mk 2 in a 4:1 ratio to Mk3 and mixes the parts around, it'll look just like the guys raffled off parts of Mk3 suits between them, and the question will be why they didn't just make a few complete Mk3 suits for their veterans or front-line guys.It's a bit like the "Insane Troll Logic" Solomon used to find out whose baby it was - chopping the baby in half defeats the purpose, and while it's not as drastic, chopping the heavy assault armour in half, seemingly at random, is a bit illogical for the same reasons. You may not notice it, but your brain will, to quote RLM.
Maybe some imaginative placement of Mk3 parts among the Mk2 suited warriors will minimise this effect, particularly if other, more radical and eye-catching conversion parts are used, but I'd still worry about it for the most part.
Still, if anyone wants to do it, they should do it, but should just think about possible outcomes of it.
>>47140763
Mk VII isn't actually all that distinguishable from Mk V (especially if you fluff it as improvised armour incorporating advances over the Mk IV - if we buy into the idea that Mk V is whatever local techpriests/techmarines are capable of doing at the time) when you remove the aquila and give them studded legs. Cables and such only enhance the distinguishing effect, though that might interfere with the bike.
>>47140829
To be fair I was just looking at my csms and Chaos space marine armour has plenty of exposed cabling for the chest pieces, many dpnt even have chaos stars on them as well. Should make budget MKV (or is it double budget) a bit easier.
>>47140650
The issue with thallax isn't that they are bad, it is that none of their gear or abilities synergize. Lightning guns for example aren't really bad, if they were in the hands of a larger unit. The issue is that lightning guns prevent them from taking full advantage of their -2 to cover saves. The idea behind lightning guns with lots of shots is that it lets them take advantage of the -2 to cover saves if you are shooting at shitty infantry. The idea behind special weapons for all is that they have an advantage over say myrmidons by decreasing enemy cover saves.
