Politics edition
>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
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>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
>CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
Which one do I play this weekend?
>>47116929
Mazirek can be fun, if you have much sacrifice effects in the deck or play group. Bonus points for having persist creatures with him
Vorel of the hull clade is also like a second Gilder Bairn, and easier to use. A lot of the original simic cards can let you give varying abilities to creature until end of turn, many of which are pretty good
>>47116978
Zada
>>47116978
Nath or Zada
>>47116978
Jungle animals.
>>47117003
I think Mazirek can fit in no problem, especially since I can stack the sac effects with a dictate of erobos or sifter of skulls or something. I think I really want to make a green black deck because blue isn't adding a heck, but mimeoplasm is just so sexy.
How do you feel about targeted hand discard versus mill as support for graveyard-based jankiness.
Yay for edits and progress. Replaced Marchesa with Thraximundar/Nekusar. I never really ended up using Marchesa in the end. Still waiting on Eldritch Moon to drop so we'll see it we get any interesting yields for sure.
Post you dicks!
>>47116978
Zada or Nath for sure
what is it about combo decks that make them unfun?
sometimes my combo decks are fun to play and other times it feels like a drag to resolve the steps
i think when the combo is too easy to assemble, like when i have way more resources than i need, i just want my opponents to scoop, whereas when its a close thing and i lose if i dont combo off this turn, it feels like a puzzle that i must solve with creativity
>>47117361
I think the more combos that are in a deck the more fun it is, if you end up tutoring your entire deck to just get 3 or 4 cards to pull off a game winning combo that's not very fun.
>>47117361
I find combos disagreeable because most of them end the game in one turn. The same is true even if the "combo" is, play a dude, give him haste and make him big.
That rules actually gets rid of a lot of things I don't care about EDH. No one big turn.
Not that aggressive lock down is fun either. But for me, fun is when there is a lot of back and forth. That means people need to be able to answer it and the easiest way to ensure that is by giving them multiple turns.
The same reason why I "spread the love".
>>47117245
Out of the two reanimater decks I play, Gisa, Mazirek, and soon an Alesha, I tend to sac and re-sac, but blue does open a lot of self mill.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mazirek-voltron-fun-times/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-aint-saying-she-is-a-gravedigger/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/all-smiles-3/
I also had a Momir Vig deck, but I dismantled it for being too boring/winning on turn 5 constantly
>>47117361
That's why I don't play him, too easy to break. Just have ramp, deadeye navigator and peregrine Drake/palincron, some clones, some draw, probably a Hydra broodmother, and coridant crossroads.
>>47117361
Combos essentially make what has happened the entire game irrelevant, since they are supposed to go off regardless of board state and win immediately.
Last turn consisted of a crazy spellslinging war that changed the entire board state?
Doesn't matter since Chad has a two card combo in his hand and was gong to win regardless.
>>47117032
>>47117054
>>47117142
>>47117263
Looks like Zada wins by a small margin
>>47117515
>"I only follow what it says on the card."
Boy, do I have a card for you to use against this kind of person.
Has to be an Ice Age one, though. That's important.
>>47117714
Why does the Ice Age printing make a difference? Mandatory creature sac/no sacrifice on Hecatomb?
>>47117799
The 5th and 6th edition versions of Hecatomb have the tapping of a swamp as the cost instead of part of the ability.
>>47117649
see it hasnt been my experience that 2-card combos are very effective
only the ones that require very inexpensive pieces are strong, because otherwise they are spending 8-10 mana in one turn to combo off and at that point you cant really claim that the earlier parts of the game were irrelevant, how did they get to 8-10 mana? that part of the game was relevant
whereas most combos i see actually work are not 2-piece combos but rather 3-6 piece combos but with many interchangeable parts, thats the key.
and lots of these combos require a board presence to go off and you can predict when they are going to go off based on their scary board position
for instance if an elf player has skullclamp and elvish archdruid in play, im going to assume that we need to do something about his board before next turn or we lose
>>47117827
to clarify about the skullclamp archdruid situation
the elf player needs multiple other cards to actually go off but many different cards will do the trick so we have to assume that those cards are on the way, either in his hand already or easy to find by digging
>>47117820
Forgive my ignorance, but why would that make a difference?
>>47117263
Geist deccklist? I'm interested in what spirits you're using to control.
>>47117864
Largely the ones from Kamigawa, some of the original Innistrad black spirits, and some of the new Innistrad Ghosts gave some fun things to do too.
Looking forward to Eldritch Moon too.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-03-16-spirit-tribal/
Spirit of en-Dal has really fucked people up due to her Forecast
>>47117858
Ice age wording under current rules could target a tapped swamp. You can even activate said ability 70 billion times in response to the ETB sac trigger. It's infinite damage at 1BB sorcery speed, no restrictions.
>>47117904
I don't know why I typed black spirits but ok.
>>47117858
well the card's INTENDED functionality hasnt changed but, rules changes implemented after the original printing have made it such that only what is left of the colon, the cost, of the activated ability is required for it to be put on the stack, and the part on the right will do "as much as it can"
after they made that rule, they fixed all these old cards with activated abiltiies that werent worded so clearly
so the old wording is incompatible with the new rules, giving you the ability to activate it as much as you want even if you dont have swamps to tap, because thats just part of the effect and if it cant do that part, then it will simply do the rest of the ability
the oracle text of course does not allow this but for retards who use some sort of "play the cards as written" rule, this card could be an autistic way of rubbing it in the faces of those retards
>>47117975
You need all legal targets for it to be put on the stack. So you have to have at least one swamp, tapped or otherwise.
>>47117515
Why do these people exist?
Hang on, let me give all my goblins flying for R.
>>47117714
Someone post the one that expects the card itself to make a decision. I think it's a plant creature?
>>47118285
Ahh, Floral Spuzzem, the first, last, and only card ever printed that has free will
>>47117515
>don't have a copy of browbeat on you?
>take five damage, I draw three cards
>>47118329
I love it. The creators and artist must have been on some hellacious drugs when they slapped together this beauty. Everything about this card is a trip.
>>47118329
Greatest card ever
>>47116927
>tfw got foil It That Betrays for my casual lovecraft deck
So what do you guys think about making a group for finding other fa/tg/uys to play with on cockatrice?
>>47118385
>I don't know how commas work
I know it's a joke but jeez
>>47118757
I think that it ends up as shitfests, as /tg/ is bad at Magic and don't fucking know the rules anyway.
>>47118757
I play on xmage
>>47118385
Pretty sure there'd need to be a comma before "deal 5 damage" for it to ever read like that.
whew
just swung for 3405 damage and there were no tokens involved !!
felt gooooood
couldve swung for like 1200 the turn previous but i wanted to let my opponents stew while they tried to figure out what they could do about Iona naming blue, gaddock teeg, elesh norn, avacyn, linvala, vorinclex, eight-and-a-half-tails, sigarda, dragonlord dromoka
one of them tried to toxic deluge so i flashed in craterhoof using yeva, then on my turn i bounced craterhoof and played him twice
>>47119083
Well aren't you just a little bad ass
>>47119083
Epic, simply epic.
>>47119097
>replying to craterhoof poster, ever
>>47119097
bet you never swung for 3405 without tokens!
im the best
>>47119110
We're all shitposters here, anon.
>>47119083
>>47119116
oh i forgot to mention my lifetotal at the end of the game was over 1000
now where is my crown
>>47119167
Here you go anon.
>>47118872
Shitfests can be fun
Working on Sek'Kuar ETB/birthing pod/recursion good stuff kind of deck, scaling back the goodstuff for more flavor now.
>>47118852
You think that, until you get into a 15 minute Magic argument with someone who doesn't understand how commas work.
>>47119270
can you post rakdos deck my man?
Wanna try building a commander deck for the first time.
If you had to choose between Terastodon or Hamletback Goliath, which would you choose?
>>47119333
nasty terasty
>>47119333
Terastodon.
>>47119333
Terastodon is much better
>>47119324
Sure, Its a $50 budget deck, but its pretty fun. My main goal is to defile someone every game, not necessarily win every game.
>>47119333
I think the removal on Terastodon is more useful. In RG you have plenty of heavy hitters anyway. You don't need another huge dumb guy in Hamletback. Terastodon is enormous itself.
>>47119324
>>47119396
Forgot the deck, haha
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-rakdos-test/
>>47119396
I appreciate it, just getting some ideas for what I want to build
>>47119415
No Problem. Remember that double-strike will defile on opponent twice, not everyone remembers that.
>>47119527
Oh....oh fuck...got a little chub there...
>Playing yesterday
>stuck on 4 lands all game
>Lazav player has Mesmeric Orb out
>Milling myself a bunch because Mizzix Mastery in hand
>Draw fifth land
>cast Mana Gesyer
>go from an empty board to enough hasted/buffed tokens to kill everyone else
Zada a best
BEST
>>47119324
Here is mine, I have a slimmed down version at the moment. I tend to die, but GODDAMNIT I go down in glory!
>>47119527
For added fun, equip him with an Assault Suit and force him to attack! Your opponents will defile themselves!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rakdos-anarchy-1/
>>47119628
Thanks for posting your Rakdos deck, hope mine turns out great
>>47119382
>>47119386
>>47119390
>>47119401
Great, thanks for the advice!
>>47119628
Holy Shit, I didn't even consider Assault Suit. Thanks anon!
Post matches made in heaven! If it's just a two card infinite combo try to make it one we haven't seen before
I'll start:
Geist of St Traft + Steel of the Godhead
>MM15 dismember is $3.49
Holy frickin' frack, I have like 5 of those suckers.
>>47119937
vulterous zombie + traumatize
>>47119937
Whitemane lion + equilibrium
>>47119967
Wow you're rollin in dough right now
>>47119937
Eye of the Storm, Knowledge Exploitation.
Accidentally stumbled into that one with my Jori En list. Fortunately, very finite combo.
>>47120288
Wow that sounds hella fun
Is that not "infinite" though?
Don't you get to cast every instant or sorcery in every opponents deck?
>>47119937
Yep, use that combo in my Geist deck.
If I can pull it off early enough it's a quick game
>>47120348
Every single one of you want, a buttload of times.
But hey, their deck isn't infinitely big. Even if they run Beacon of Tomorrows, shit's exiled, only a copy gets cast.
Anyway, I'm really not a combo person, but here's another synergistic interaction, Cloven Casting lets you easily copy multicolored spells, but in the case of copying Beck // Call, you get 12 cards from the original card and the copy, because you got two becks going by the time the bird half of the original resolves.
Here is another simple one, Vengeful Pharaoh pairs well with any dredge spell, because it allows you to keep Vengeful from going back to your hand, where he is relatively useless.
>>47119628
I came here to tell you that you are a pretty cool guy anon.Is 31 land enough for this deck? I get you have a lot of land destruction but I feel you are missing land drops constantly.
>>47119083
>3405 damage
Cute.
>>47118757
I'll be on when I get home in like 45min.
We got a channel or name or something?
>>47120721
Strange how much more popular this combo is than Mephidross, given that this one folds to grave hate and the other doesn't.
>>47120755
Mephidross can't smoke the whole table.
>>47120796
Oh right, creatures. Durr.
>>47120710
>Kool-Aid Man
>not red, or maybe artifact creature
No sir, I don't like it.
>>47118571
To be fair, it is from Legends so they were still figuring shit out
Post tunes that fit your commander's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPskYVBqdNw
Other anons try to guess your commander
>>47121134
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0uCwDSLlW0
Can't guess because driving.
>>47121186
>driving
>can make a post
>but can't guess
literally drive into a ditch and die
>>47121186
Azusa?
>>47121134
I have poor taste, so sue me.
But it fits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSunpfXoCg
>>47121276
>makes an autistic post
>expects competent people to take part in autistic posting
Also, the idea of someone playing godfather while playing gwafa was posted last thread, way to be original, faggot.
>>47121288
Nice work
>>47121276
Haha, good point. I should've opened the link, I just assumed it had lyrics and shit that I would have to pay attention to.
>>47121303
Close, actually. Same mana cost, same block.
>>47121310
Hey man take it easy on him, I was the OG music autist
>>47121310
>thinking you can correctly identify different anons
lmao 2shitty
>>47121405
>implying that changes the fact of the matter
lmao learn2argue
>>47121428
The fact of what matter, nigga? Holy shit, you're more retarded than the anon that's driving and posting on 4chan.
>>47121056
By Legends they mostly had their shit together. Like, not 'balance' (that didn't smooth out until Alliances/Mirage. Well, as much as it ever would) but we had a tap symbol. we had cost : Effect syntax. Artifact supertypes were gone. None of it was perfect (again, real standardization waited for "5th edition" rules), but Spuzzem is a little late for the goofy alpha wordings.
Love it anyway.
>>47121362
>>47121186
My last guess is Dosan?
>>47121455
I see you don't understand basic English either, makes complete sense now.
>>47121362
reki
>>47121532
Reki, yeah.
>>47121524
Mana cost, not CMC, but close.
>>47121530
>lmao i so smart, i argue real good,
You sure showed me, anon.
>>47121587
Hey learning English is tough for some people, I'm glad you're trying though.
>>47119640
No problem! Always great to help another anon defile his friends
>>47119910
It works wonders, especially if you can also make rackdos attack, since they can't sacrifice any of the auras or equipment on him
>>47120710
Thanks for pointing that out, I haven't updated the deck in a long time, but I have moved it up to 39 lands
does one white mana make this that much worse than damnation?
>>47122567
key words are: planeswalkers, exile, artifacts, enchantments, or
so yeah, sort of
>>47122567
No, it's the two extra colorless that make it that much worse than damnation.
>>47122567
They thing is it's also exile, not destroy. So I'd say it's vanilla cost for what it does. I don't believe there are many wraths that exile, though I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me could correct me.
So I can do one of two things: UW Ephara Hatebears, or Vendilion Clique and Eight and a Half Tails.
Thoughts?
>>47122898
trade me your clique
>>47122567
should i run eviction or descend upon the sinful as my exile wrath?
Currently working on a Mimeoplasm list, really wish the tutors I need were a bit cheaper.
>>47121134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZP3Cqi7Lk
>>47123202
Thelon?
>>47121134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GtTyC53kjU
>>47122753
pretty sure there are three exiling boardwipes, one is a functional reprrint with delerioum. There are also some enchantments that make things phase out without giving your opponents let them phase back in.
>>47123047
Why not both?
Eviction can fuck up pillow forts like Privillaged position/that other white/green enchantment.
>>47123047
Eviction has better utility. A mostly vanilla 4/4 is okay in EDH but not stellar by any mean. Unless you are also Angel Tribal Eviction is the superior card.
>>47123841
both seem excessive since I also run a normal wrath of god and some spot removal. I'll give it some thought though. Thanks for the input!
>>47123918
I would say that austere command tends to be a little better than merciless eviction in my experience
but merciless eviction is pretty unique in that it's the only planeswalker wrath that I know of
So if you have a super friends player in your meta it's indispensable, but otherwise, I prefer austere command
>>47123980
>>47123841
planeswalkers and enchantments are problems, but mostly i am worried about recursion. I'm going with eviction.
Anyone else have a hell of a time trying to play politics at their table? My group just devolves into *Oh you're playing that deck, guys let's all focus him even though we have one guy setting up a fat board lock and obviously tutored for his last piece*
Even when someone tries to play politics it just turns into oh thanks...I'll kill you anyway
>>47124070
you aren't being devious enough.
>>47123539
DING DING DING
you get a cookie
>>47124070
Nah, cause I don't play my good cards as soon as I get them.
I sort of dwadle around with my win cons in my hand while I wait for the board to exhaust what they have.
Also it helps to not have shit commanders
>>47124070
Nah we all typically keep it chill until some heavy shit hits the field, then we start making deals.
It's fun because occasionally someone will go full ham and blitz a few players for a bit during one of the first few games.
>>47124100
I'm not just talking about myself either i'm talking in general it seems like my playgroup would rather play solitaire but have 3 other people there to watch them jerk off their deck or get supes salty when someone gets the better of them, not to mention a couple of the guys literally lose their shit if you counterspell their obviously telegraphed removal/"game winning card"
>>47124164
Have you tried not playing EDH?
>>47124164
sounds like they need to pull the stick out of their asses
>>47123676
Tromokratis?
>>47124164
My playgroup is smart enough to know that shit hidden in hand is scarier than whatever you can see on the field.
>>47124175
Yup, drafting is fun but i can't be assed to follow standard and modern is so volatile right now that I'm not even going to bother with it, I'm heavily thinking about making a cube but my playgroup is so bad that I could see them bitch that either the cube is too underpowered or bitch hardcore that X player only won because he got lucky with his pulls. I hate to say it but i wish i was back in college at least my group then was actually fun to play with
>>47124250
>standard and modern is so volatile right now
>right now
Standard and modern will always be fuck ups.
The main reason I play EDH is because I can take my time spending what I want building what I want rather than paying a shit ton of cash for the best memed deck until the next rotation kicks in only for my cards to be rendered useless later.
Is there a better card with a similar mechanic? This would go great with my Darien deck but WWW is pretty high for what it does.
>>47124303
Yeah it's comforting to know that my edh collection and decks will be legal and playable for as long as I will ever want to play magic
>>47124457
That, and that you can take as long as you like to brew.
The only downside is never knowing the thrill of opening a pristine pack and crossing your fingers.
>>47124417
This card is awful, compare it to a fog, more mana to lose a shit load of life as you fog for your creatures
Not to mention they get to lifelink as well
>>47124482
??
I still open a few packs whenever a new set comes out, I don't pray for specific cards I do it just to check out the new set, in art and flavor and mechanics
Not planning on keeping any of the cards unless I get pleasantly surprised by something like I did in SOI with second harvest
And I'll usually draft a few times
>>47124482
But there's also that thrill of discovering some turbo-jank dollar rare that slots so perfectly into your deck you can't pass it up
Nothing matches that
>>47124506
The gist of the deck is to have lifegain when creatures ETB, then getting hit in the face and negating the lost life with tokens. It's jank but I like it
>>47124576
I'm sorry I didn't bother to think of the interaction with Darien, I just think of him as "lots of tokens", forgot that his ability deals with you taking damage
I guess given that interaction you might be willing to pay more for a fog on your creatures
I honestly don't think you'll find another card like it though besides just general damag redirecters
>>47124548
>playing a Dresge deck
>playgroup includes Krenko and Talrand, often at the same time
>discover Necroplasm
It's a good feeling.
>>47124727
Too spicy. Nice one m8
>>47124727
Wow that would totally own my tokens deck, good card
>>47124417
>take lethal damage
>have Stuffy Doll out
>drop Blood of the Martyr
>cackle maniacally as the player you chose for Stuffy Doll eats a fuckload of damage
Stuffy Doll+Pariah does the same thing but you can see that combo coming from a mile off
>>47124912
I dont understand how stiffy doll combos with blood of the martyr for damage
You need pariah with them
>>47123918
Damn, never looked at the art for Merciless Eviction until now. That looks brutal.
>>47124955
Oh wait fuck I read Blood of the Martyr wrong, you still need Pariah and even then you wouldn't need Blood of the Martyr
Hurrr
>>47124986
Yeah the Obzedat are scary
>>47121134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-IoOEPbUs
>>47124986
>even thinking of anything anti Obzedat
you're funeral, if anyone is left that remembers you
>>47116978
>>47117663
Zada player reporting
Won the pod against 2 Oloro Decks and Erebos
One Oloro player was playing Infect and knocked the other two players out.
He was not familiar with Zada and got blown out after attacking 3 times and 30+ extra card drawn later..
Good Pick everyone.
>>47125237
>2 Oloro players
So you played easy mode? nah just kidding.
gg m8
>>47120721
I don't get it.
>>47125409
Are you stupid? Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person?
Never post again, please.
>>47125409
Infinite recursion loop
>>47125237
Good show. Winning in monored is always super satisfying, especially when you bowl over durdly pillowforters.
>>47125409
You use the last counter to kill Triskelion instead of pinging
>>47125409
>Mikaeus gives NON HUMANS +1/+1 AND undying
>Triskelion is a non human that gets three +1/+1 counters AND an extra +1/+1 from Mikaeus
>That means you can rip FOUR +1/+1 counters off of it to deal 4 damage to any creature or opponent before Triskelion dies with no +1/+1 counters
>Since it dies with no +1/+1 counters it returns to the battlefield to start all over again
>constantly
>on the same turn
>as much as you want
>>47125501
Not quite, it has a base of 1/1 so yo can remove three of the counters for whatever and 1 of the counters for killing itself.
>>47125495
>>47125501
ok i didnt see the "creature" part (and probably would not have realized it can target itself either)
>>47125269
>>47125490
I also got to boil his Islands.
>>47125524
Only works on creatures though
>>47125542
>I also got to boil his Islands
>>47125542
Maindecking Boil is classy.
>>47125542
>Playing Talrand
>opponent plays Boil
>Magical hack
>>47125523
2 counters to kill itself actually.
>>47125837
>Magical hack
Changed it to mountain?
>>47126023
Hyep
>>47124417
Personal Incarnation + Kor Chant? Under the right contitions, Darien can go absolutely APE with Blasting Station (1 life on etb = infinite etb/dies events). Just enjoy the great old art on blood if you want "I take all damage now"
>>47126245
I want this as my general
I kind of like these "legends-style" proxies of modern cards.
I want to build Darien's Empire theme-deck next. Lots of creatures that fit a theme and with the 3 Empires combo cards, as well as a few walls.
>>47126750
god that is too many decks
>>47126750
Thrs playgroup looks pretty fun, decks for any occasion
>>47126762
>there's such a thing
Three of us have a lot of Magic from over the years. I traded up for a lot of Legacy staples (I traded standard cards for Legacy staples when the prices were comparable years ago), and slowly build up an EDH collection. Most of the decks are seriously within the lower power level and not too extreme.
We make sure our games are full of variety (play ~10 games per night of EDH).
>>47126782
It really is. We can go full T1 competitive if we want - I have played and beaten pure storm lists, 5c Hermit Druid, Derevi Stax, Dreamcrusher Damia, Imperial Animar, etc. with my lists - and we also have really ridiculous jank matchups that take forever to end. So many retired decks over the years too that just couldn't keep up.
>>47126750
>highest power deck for Bluefag is Sedris
Sweet shit I need a list
>>47127022
Wish I had his list. He reanimated Jin on turn 1 last time we played. He likes to hit Jin or Sire on turn 1 if he can, otherwise it's something very dangerous like Mindleech Mass hasted into Vorinclex from the green player's hand. Shit was miserable for a few turns but I had blown my whole hand before he dropped Jin. He lost to me because he spent the entire game targeting fucking Animar and Jhoira. Eliminated everyone until I dropped an infinite.
>>47119083
>not dealing precisely 1.103E89 damage with a single Warstorm Surge trigger
step yo game up.
>>47127071
>He reanimated Jin on turn 1 last time we played
Jesus Christ
>>47126805
>10+ games per night
man
>>47126805
>~10 games per night
How fucking fast are your games? Jesus
Sounds like you guys have reached midnight on the EDH Doomsday Clock
>>47127105
Heh it's a rare occurrence but he loves it when it happens. Entomb+Reanimate shenanigans. Dark Ritual helps but it's usually the mana rocks that do it. Then Sedris comes out after he fills his grave and it's all downhill for the table...
His Memnarch is pretty close in power level. It goes infinite mana into draw, and then once Lattice hits the table the entire board is his. Runs a lot of counter support. Scion is a bit more predictable so we don't fear it much.
>>47126739
To be pedantic, that's a late 90s/early 2000s border. Legends is lighter shade of gold, and a more washed out look.
>>47127151
Top 3 rows will win on turns 3-8 on average.
It makes for quick games. We all know our decks pretty well.
It's after a few of those that we drop it down into the slower decks and just shit talk while drinking (until 'that guy' gets mad and plays his best deck against precon-tier lists).
>>47127180
I meant top 2 rows*
The 3rd row is where we play most of our games. Lots of janky combos, high aggro tribals, and basic control lists.
The Animar and Damia player like to play their best decks anyway though, unless it's a rare occasion where they borrow a list.
Anyone tried this guy?
Looks fun with a deck that's constantly gaining life.
>>47127238
Sun droplet is annoying as fuck with this guy. Every upkeep is lifegain.
>>47127238
He's cool but I have had better luck with ayli in my lifegain deck. might be harder to pull off but exiling a nonland instead of a creature is huge
Any suggestions for my Kalemne giant tribal deck?
Trying to make it budget, so I'll probably shy away from cards >$3.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/giant-fun-3/
In regards to my concerns about the deck, I'm unsure about whether or not I've put the right amount of ramp, as well as whether or not the equipment cards are good choices.
>>47127289
I was thinking that since he's in black, the color of killing shit (not to mention white for mass calcification) him just getting huge and swinging might be fun.
>>47127155
>he loves it when it happens
I feel like a good chunk of players would enjoy a T1 Jin-Git
>>47127238
Karlov is easily my strongest deck. Soul sisters and other lifegain pings (Prism Ring had done a surprising amount of work) along with efficient lifelink creatures really add up to make a gigantic ghost uncle. Throw down a Sunscorch Regent or a True Conviction and and you have a very scary commander.
>>47127436
Karlov seems really cool. What are some of his weaknesses?
>>47127447
Animar.
A lot of my friends are cheeky and play "you can't gain life" spells like Erebos and Everlasting Torment, but the only time it's ever really been a problem is when I rage scooped to a Stigma Lasher I couldn't block.
Karlov gets chumped a lot as well. Running shit to make him unblockable will help. I only use Rogue's Passage and somehow manage to draw it almost every game, but you wouldn't be wrong to include some solid evasion like whispersilk or even just shit to get him in the air.
Cyclonic Rift and the like hurt a lot since you spend a lot of the game grinding out a million tiny lifegain interactions, so returning everything to your hand means you have to restart the extort train all over again.
>>47116978
It's a shame the most perfect deck ever made for Magic isn't on your list.
Five color hermit druid combo. I built mine in January of this year and completely slaughtered everyone in my local meta (Texfag here).
To be fair, there weren't really any competitive or even semi good players in my area; they all believed that green was the best color in Magic, when it's obvious green is training wheels.
Of course, being a twenty year veteran of Magic since the beginning of the game I am impossible to beat consistently. Every now and then I end up with a bad shuffle.
>>47127585
>Rogue's Passage
Run Shizo instead of/in addition to RP.
>>47127839
Oh nice. I just started playing about a year ago, so I'm still unfamiliar with a lot of the older cards. That looks solid as hell.
On a related note to the original anon who asked: Mother of Runes will keep Karlov from eating shit and can get him past blockers.
>>47127630
Does anyone have an MtG version of the "What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?" pasta?
Feels like it'd be relevant.
>>47127897
Shizo's not even that oldBut good on you for going after old stuff, my groups voices their disapproval from me playing anything from before Innistrad block
>>47123980
play both if you can they have there niches and are outstanding cards
>>47127965
Champions of Kamigawa turns 12 this year, much like many of the posters in this thread.
And I love a lot of the older stuff. I'm glad they standardized the text formatting and I prefer the modern border, but they just don't print a lot of the weird shit anymore. Red Elemental Blast has saved my ass in monoR a dozen times and they'll never print stuff like that again, which sucks because deck diversity is what I enjoy the most in this format.
>>47116927
What better way to play politics than with an army of strawmen?
Gotta say far this thread is pretty great. I used to frequent EDH general because there was always interesting talk of useful secret tech cards or discussing the format as a whole and strategy and ideas. Shit posting about the banlist aside
Just nice to see it before it devolves into 30 self masturbatory posts about rt my deck/meta plz and people wanting to be complimented so they can jerk off to it later
>>47127959
I had a go at it
What the fuck did you just fucking cast at me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at the Tolarian Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret PTQs, and I have over 300 confirmed Top 8s. I am trained in netdecking and I’m the top spender in the entire LGS. You are nothing to me but just another midrange deck. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Plane, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with casting that shit at me over the table? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of storeowners across the USA and your deck is being sideboarded against right now so you better prepare for the Storm combo, licid. The Storm combo that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life total. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can defeat you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with lands. Not only am I extensively trained in tempo-control, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Restricted List and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” spell was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking mana. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
I'm about to order Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Will it be better to buy the original from Avacyn Restored or the foil from FTV? I'm sorta wary of curled foils.
>>47127238
OK so I run karlov, many many ways to gain small increments of life at a time making him huge. I run a shitload of tutors (some very, very bad ones, see "divining witch") to equip him with shroud or hexproof as fast as possible. As soon as he reaches godzilla proportions you drop essence harvest to one shot someone, use rogues passage or whispersilk cloak to one shot someone, or use wall of reverence to gain life equal to karlovs immense girth at end of each turn, leave mana open to exile commanders, and wait until you pull a tutor, unblockable, or another one shot. Alternatively, just remove about 32 +1/+1 counters to exile anything that can block, wait a turn, regain all counters and swing for lethal. He's a fun general.
>>47128498
Literally just double sleeve the card, maybe even put that double sleeved ftv foil in a hard sleeve as well if you are that nervous. It will be fine
>>47128593
I know but, I'm also wary about buying a "Near Mint Foil" from a seller that would become curled when it arrives to my post
>>47128612
Where do you buy your cards from? Do they not sleeve the expensive cards for transit?
>>47128612
This is why I got my FTV Angels when it came out. Just double sleeve the card and put it under weight for a few days like everyone else.
>>47128632
Unfortunately, I was unemployed for a year and had to sell my MtG cards to get by, sobuying FtV at that time was definitely not an option. Now I'm slowly rebuilding my collection for my EDH decks.
>>47128627
I was going to buy them from more popular online sites, but they're overpriced or out of stock for ftv foils.
>>47127238
karlov is amazing card and a great choice for voltron
>>47128552
List? I also have a divining witch in my binder that I throw in my deck whenever I play combo. Same for demonic revelation
>>47129140
Demonic consultation I meant
>>47116927
I played EDH for the second time yesterday. It was against a UBW Control deck. While I can say I was having fun, it mostly came from actually learning how the game worked and actually using my deck. I didn't really do much while playing him, but it was a learning experience.
In that note, how exactly do you deal with UBW Control decks? Just surrender?
>>47129207
Make your deck better?
>>47129252
How? Get stuff that removes a lot of permanents?
To that end, aside from Counterspell itself, what are some other good Counter cards?
>>47129275
You're basically asking me how you recognise good cards. That's so open ended that I just ain't gonna bother. And Counterspell isn't "that" good in EDH.
>>47119310
I'm glad that people I play with are not completely illiterate.
>>47128196
Muh nigga
>>47124070
I have one good meta, where people know what to do and have a good threat assessment, so no one plays babbys first politics like "hey, if you do this or that I won't attack you or do this or that", which are pretty common in other group I play in.
The last one is like in between, as there are some people who try to do it, but sometimes the other guy still fucks over the dealmaker, or just tells them to fuck off, like I do. I realize that table politics are important thing in multiplayer EDH, but holy fuck I hate that kinds of deals, and advising, just let everyone make their own fucking decisions, or at least don't get buttmad when I call you out on your shit.
>want to make angus deck
How2proxy
>>47125898
I can't say which part of the card is most awful.
What's with the le ebin ABU-style proxies all over the place, they're fucking awful, and no one seems to know how does the wording should be to seem "real"
I'm running a Riku spellslinger deck, any tips for decent wincons?
Currently I've got:
Blue Suns/Stroke of Genius to draw someone out
Traumatize copied many times
Comet Storm for many
Most of the time I win by aethersnatching someone elses better commander, which is fun and all but hardly consistent
>>47130061
Play Palinchron, that shit goes infinite with riku. the you can kill everyone with comet storm
Slowly getting around to making my slivers deck. Still missing a bunch of shit like a few shocks though stomping ground and sacred foundry are in other decks atm, big slivers like hivelord, queen, legion and overlord.
Not going for big money here coz I don't really have that much to splash so fetches are out for now. What else should I put in?
>>47130153
I take it you're not going for effectiveness for having HIV-lord as a commander.
>>47130242
I'm still not set on who would be the commander. I know Overlord would prob be hands down the best choice and will most likely be him but I'm still building the deck so nothing is set in stone yet.
>>47130292
Overlord or Sliver Queen would be the best choice, but they operate differently, and depending on the choice, deck has different pieces and all. Then again, Mana Echoes should be there anyway, I think, regardless of which one you run.
>>47130485
I think regardless it'll be Overlord as it's the cheapest out of the two and seems to work better with being able to fetch slivers. As for Mana Echoes yeah that's one card I am deff going to get for the deck.
>>47128632
>like everyone else.
Speak for yourself. I've never had a problem with ftv cards. I love when I get then cheap from idiots who don't take care of thier cards.
You FUCKING faggots jealous?
>>47131012
Stunned silence is acceptable as well.
>>47131087
>not full art Wrath of God or Damnation
>no Goyf
1/10
>>47131109
>using inferior versions
>goyf in edh
>>47131109
>>47131145
He's being rather a dick, but I'll give him that, the pack foils are better.
>>47129415
I need to get a foil version. On that note I for one am stoked about Shadows Over Innistrad delivering three new scarecrows unto Magic. Here is hoping Eldrich Moon sees even more scarecrow love. I like the idea of people building and using scarecrows to fight against incomprehensible horrors due to their lack of ability to be driven mad since what does an animated sack of sticks, straw, and cloth really have to fear?
>>47131087
>not the future sight Cairns
That would have been sweet, it's fucking pretty.
>>47131145
Goyf is decent in french :^) then again it's mostly played like modern
>play EDH a couple time with some new guys, have a blast
>immediately gain a reputation as the rules reference guy
>start receiving endless texts at any hour of the day, as early as 6am
>"Is Primeval Titan Banned?" -Yes, here's a link to the banlist. "Soul Ring is banned?" -Only in duel commander, click the link I gave you. "Is Deus of Calamity banned?"
>"Who picks what to sacrifice when you tell someone to sacrifice something?"
>"What's a combo?"
>"Should I play this card or that card in my new deck you know nothing about?"
I'm fine with asking question but when such a text wakes me up at 6 in the morning this shit is not okay.
>>47125409
You use the last ping to kill Triskelion.
Holy shit are you retarded?
>>47124070
I feel your pain anon. My playgroup is pretty damn heavy on politics. It's usually me or one of my friends getting targeted, so we've just become as rutheless as possible.
If they're gonna target me I might as well give them a real reason.
>>47131603
Since you are being texted in your personal phone and you are not working as a judge or obligated to them, feel free to give them a nasty text telling them to fuck off and stop texting you in the dead hours of the day.
Can Illusionist Bracers work with Sidisi's exploit ability?
Exploiting herself or another creature?
>>47132567
No, Illusionist's Bracers are for activated abilities. You're looking for Strionic Resonator, and yeah, you can copy either Exploit or the tutor triggers once they're on the stack.
>>47131801
Last two.
So, a week or so ago, I saw someone entertaining the idea of a Sidhe-themed deck. I am currently mulling over some cards to make one myself. I just want an excuse to play my Bitterblossom, but I also am a fan of old faerie lore and it's themes.
So the concept I'm brewing:
>Oona as commander
>No mill focus (sucks for a 100-card multiplayer format)
>Instead focus on faerie/rogues/specters and force discard while drawing myself cards
>Use Cipher cards over enchantments where possible
>Try to play it fast so my opponents don't even get to play cards
>If they do play permanents, focus on stealing them
>Pretty budget aside from Bitterblossom
>Basically the evil twin of my Edric deck
>>47132567
Can I equip Nim Deathmantle on Sidisi after she exploits herself for infinite tutoring?
>>47132976
There's a pretty neat discard spell with Cipher. I forgot it's name but i think it had Madness in it.
>>47133252
As long as you have the generic mana to pay for each activation, yeah.
>>47133324
Whispering Madness. Yeah, I'm possibly going to use that. It's a little more suited for Nekusar though as they draw off of it and it affects me too.
Now here's a rules question:
One of my opponents uses Glen Elendra Archmage for infinite counterspells in his Kraj deck. I am wondering: if I discarded Faerie Macabre when the Archmage his the graveyard, would that resolve and exile it from returning? It's a bit of a tricky stack situation and I admit I'm clueless as to if that would work.
Can I get some quick recs for Aurelia? I don't normally play red in any format.
>>47133545
Yes, you can do that.
Respond to the persist trigger by exiling it from the grave, it is no longer in the grave when persist tries to resolve, trigger fizzles.
What is your opinion on Jester's Cap effects? I'm in monoblack and there are a rising number of combo players in my meta and I recently added Sadistic Sacrament to my deck but I haven't had a chance to use it yet. My deck is excellent about generating both mana and card draw so the mana cost or card disadvantage don't bother me too badly.
>>47133655
I used to run Slaughter Games in Olivia to fuck with our blue-based combo players, but took it out because it's rather narrow.
