One of my players rolled a 3 for his Charisma.
What would that even look like? How would people respond and react to them?
It looks like you should stop rolling stats.
>>47100251
People ignore him and talk to the paladin.
>>47100262
>the "rolling stats is bad, guis!!" meme
It looks like you should stop being a faggot.
>>47100279
he is the paladin
>>47100251
>>47100297
People treat him like a really annoying Jehovah's Witness
>>47100251
He's literally autistic.
>>47100251
Like a domesticated crocodile except 1.5 times as majestic.
>>47100251
Charisma is a blend of attractive features and personality. With a three they'd probably be unattractive with an unpleasant demeanor and a fairly boring personality.
>>47100251
He doesn't have to be really ugly, there just needs to be something really off-putting about him. An aura, if you will. He might carry himself in such a way that people and animals become distressed in his presence and he could be so bad at interacting with people as a result that he can't pick up on social cues.
In short, weird and autistic
>>47100251
I dunno what he should look like, but he should probably just act like he as aspergers or something.
>>47100297
I guess there's only a minimum for multiclassing as a paladin these days, but that's still pretty dumb
>>47100297
i hope not
>>47100251
He doesn't necessarily have to look super ugly physically. There are other ways of being repulsive. I always felt that charisma has more to do with force of personality and how you use your looks than anything. There are great looking peoole out there who are obnoxious, mousey, or just hard to deal with in general. Likewise there are old, diseased, or plain ugly people who are incredibly inspiring.
>mental stats under 10
If you aren't 100% confident in your players' ability to actually play that character, don't let them do it.
>>47100279
>>47100297
>>47100318
OP here, he's a druid. I do 4d6 drop, and he rolled well except for a 7 and a 3. He put the 7 in INT and the 3 in CHA.
We figured those would make the most sense, given that he grew up in the wild. I'm just trying to figure out the best way of having people react to him.
Ramsay Bolton
>>47100411
A donkey or bat have 4 CHA, octopus has exactly 3.
>>47100411
Like anyone would react to a nearly feral person with little in the way of hygiene and a great deal of ignorance regarding things not of the wild. His subpar linguistic skills should be enough to throw most people off.
>>47100411
Well I guess he's just some sort of Rain Man
>>47100411
Like he's a crazy hobo who lives in the woods
Because he basically is
>>47100411
Oh yeah, he's just autistic as fuck, then. Like a feral child with literally no social awareness. Have him randomly sniff people, touch their faces, urinate in public, smell very strange, and constantly misread people and situations.
>>47100251
Anthony Burch
>>47100527
>being a goobergater
cute
>>47100251
He would be quite horrible.
In terms of looks, he'd range from something that could pass for a particularly ugly to begin with survivor of three seperate flesh eating fungal infections, to just that kind of uncanny valley kind of face that you see once in a while, giving everyone two stink eyes while lurking at the back of the store when not even the workers will approach them. I don't want to look for examples.
In terms of personality, they'd range from pure, raw abrasiveness to that kind of person with near zero sense for social cues that manages to somehow, somehow unintentionally stab every social finger in the house while playing the knife game on their own hand. Draws a very raw hatred like garbage draws flies. The fucking blue bear from the LOL threads on /v/ is a strong example of this in particular.
In terms of force of personality, they'd be a massive pushover, but not even in any kind of satisfying or ignorable fashion, it'd be the kind of pushover that gives others that awful, sickly feeling in their stomach just from the interaction. Like there's something inherently off, broken about the whole thing, rather, them. Again, not going to go look for examples.
>>47100411
someone with high charisma is usually either
very charming, to the point where everyone wants to hang out with him/her
or
very intimidating (intimidating != scary or menacing)
guy with 3 CHA is neither, he's probably awkward to be around and suck at anything social
>>47100411
Hes Tarzan,
>>47100288
It looks like you need to lurk more autismo
>>47100573
>You have to be a goobergater to think Burch is a loser
Got your wii u back yet, bruddah?
>>47100251
OP, you have to understand that a 3 is INHUMANLY bad.
SOME animals have stats that low.
>>47100251
You know that one guy who, objectively, you know means well but manages to tear apart any sort of social connection he could create, and generally pisses people off?
that's him.
>>47100251
He looks and sounds like a douchebag, no matter what he's actually doing or saying.
>>47100288
I'm not stating it as a meme.
I believe rolling stats in DnD is generally foolish.
>>47100251
houserule it as a curse placed on him which means that everyone who looks at him thinks he looks like a criminal/guy who might be fucking their wife/that one bully from 3rd grade.
>rolling for stats
>>47100340
No it's not you fag. Charisma is personality.
>>47100411
Even if he says something true and wise, people should ignore him because "there's no way THAT CRETIN could contribute anything"
People actively ignore/avoid him. If he's speaking, others will talk over him like you would talk over a barking dog or mewling cat.
If others are forced to listen to him, they always take what he says in the worst way.
>"If you don't tell us where the bandit camp is, their prisoners will die"
>"OH SHIT! This hobo is threatening to kill the prisoners! He's with the bandits and playing a cruel joke on us!"
>>47101450
>memeing
>>47100251
>What would that even look like?
like this.
(warning: may make you feel sick)
>>47101492
This is a head shot of a person with Leprosy if you are wondering.
>>47100251
More or less Chris-chan
>>47101481
It's not a meme, rolling for stats is really, really stupid thing to do.
>>47100720
Tarzan has a goddam 18 CHA
>>47100360
Intimidation is based off Charisma as well. That guy would have retard-high Charisma with how everyone loves him as soon as he opens his mouth.
He just has a fear aura or something.
>>47100251
Charisma is not just appearance, its a combination of three things
>personality
how well you can communicate and relate to others. Low CHA means that the character has problems forming relationships and trouble getting along with other people
>Force of personality
low charisma means that it is very difficult for a character to ever convince someone of something or win an argument. They lack self-confidence and have low self-esteem
>appearance
low charisma means the character doesn't meet the standards of attractiveness due to defect, disease, injury, etc.
Use varying degrees of these three aspects to create the desired effect. Think of each d6 contributing to the total score as a rating of each aspect on a 1-6 scale and define accordingly.
>>47101481
>It's an "opinions I don't like are just memes" meme
die
>>47100690
No no, he's scary, just in the way a screaming, zitty teenager with a gun and something to prove is scary.
>>47100999
Calm down, uɐʇɐs.
>>47100411
>4d6 drop 1
>still has a 3
That's pretty unlucky.
Anyway, make him a normal person with unbearable body odor. Being a wild man of the woods nobody ever told him to wash his balls.
>>47100472
>A donkey or bat have 4 CHA
Would that be like Promethian tier from WoD?
He's one of those feral kids people find in the woods
>>47101894
Seems about right.
>>47100251
http://sonichu.com/cwcki
>>47101924
I imagine even your average fictional feral kid having significantly more than a 3.
At least 7.
>>47101682
With a charisma of three? He's scary in the way that a mumbling, shaking kid with a gun that he's pointing at the floor while trying not to make eye contact is.
>>47101977
Pretty much this. If your character really has cha 3 in D&D that puts them as somewhere between an animal and an inanimate carbon rod. Hell, even a necromantically reanimated skeleton is CHA 5 iirc.
>>47102102
yeah buddy, we aren't talking about some cute disney feral kid. we are talking about a real feral; no language skills, no social conditioning, a goddamn wild beast.
they piss everywhere to mark their territory. they steals food and attacks anyone they see as threatening. they reek. they don't understand consent, they don't understand law, they don't understand society. the party has to keep them on a literal leash.
>>47101509
I had a hunch.
>>47102368
On a somewhat relevant topic, have you ever had a druid player say their character was literally raised in the woods with no real contact with the outside world, and them the moment the party reaches a town they start buying equipment and enjoying cooked food and sleeping in beds? Even the Deltora series did better than that.
>>47100411
he is literally a forest Hobo, he is completely devoid of human interaction, and thinks mostly in the communication patterns of the tree octopus
>>47100472
>>47102368
>no sense of personal space
>no sense of personal property
>may be able to learn due to wisdom or int, but will never truly understand or be able to replicate these norms
>>47100999
I miss ed
>>47101481
Well, we've all seen the great results of rolling for stats in the OP. But if you can give us one advantage to this method over regular point allotment other than 1st ed DnD nostalgia, please do.
>>47102438
I have had a few players roll druids that were ostensibly supposed to be wild men/women, but in those cases I have been pleased with their ability to act batshit insane in civilized company.
>>47102516
it makes for more diverse characters. It requires players to work around weaknesses and capitalize on unexpected strengths. I'm not saying the method is better than point buy mind you, i just think it does have some advantages depending on what you want to get out of the character construction process.
different strokes for different folks, you know?
>>47102484
A perfect comrade, then?
>Posting a picture of Jackson Galaxy in a thread about low charisma
I mean no doubt, the guy looks pretty weird, but he's genuinely really likeable. Really knows his shit about cats, too.
>>47102656
Either that or a gypsy.
>>47101576
Nah, it's not. You just can't handle reality. Reality is, some people (like you) have a 3 Charisma. That's how the world works.
> inb4 muh "wah wah I wanna play a hero so I should have all 18s"
>>47102438
Not a Druid, but in WoD: Vampire game we had Nosferatu with all the dots in Animalism living in the sewers that operated through his animal minions.
>>47102573
Character creation perks provide that without the risk destroying the character.
Since I just visited the 40krpg thread, I'm gonna take Dark Heresy as an example, where your homeworld and background gives you different affinities and slight bonuses and maluses to your stats, that can result in a less than optimized character depending on your role, but never something like "barbarian with 4 str and 3 con".
You can still have create such a character, but it has to be a conscious choice.
Is that Zee Garcia?
>>47100251
Typical /r9k/tard.
Charisma isn't just look's. Its also social awkwardness, poor social judgments for example.
I've never really been able to buy into the idea that high charisma is directly tied to physical beauty. Many of the most compelling leaders in history weren't much to look at.
The guy in this picture ain't exactly a supermodel, but he's working the crowd like a boss. It could be the authority of his position, but it could also be that he's an incredibly stirring and charismatic speaker.
>>47102868
if someone is telling you that charisma and attractiveness are the same thing then you are being fed bad information.
>>47100251
>What would that even look like?
>>47102884
lurk moar newfaggot
this fucking retarded meme is spewed by half of /tg/
>>47102919
are you being ironic right now, or are you actually this toxic?
>>47102903
But I loved Master Blaster.
>>47102919
Do you think that makes his point any less true, or are you agreeing with him?
>>47102719
Wouldn't rolling for stats increase the likelihood of someone having obscenely high stats across the board?
With point-buy, you need to take away from other stats to get your primary up to 18.
With 7 int he might just be smart enough to know he should never speak, but with that low of cha he probably says stupid annoying shit any ways.
Honestly should most likely be the parties problem creator, probably ask your player if he's willing to be that guy.
>>47100251
> What would that even look like?
Autistic neckbeard with hygiene problems.
>>47102940
No, he isn't being ironic. There have been a great many threads and individual posts on /tg/ over the years that have insinuated or debates the merits of physical beauty in regards to the CHA stat. I've personally always felt that CHA has no effect on physical attractiveness, and that it is only a measure of how features such as physical attractiveness are capitalized on via force of personality.
Instead, a lot of people espouse this idea of a universal standard of beauty and apply it directly to the CHA stat, so a person with very low CHA would have to be the opposite of that.
Seems as good a place to ask this as any other.
Under this system how would you stat the following characters?
>PC is handsome, like his face was sculpted by the gods themselves. He is so socially retarded that can make the thirstiest wench dry up like a desert
>PC is ugly as sin, like he was hit with a barbed, crooked ugly stick. He is also such a personable chap that once you get over his hideousness you'll never want him to go away
>PC can't keep a conversation for shit, he also looks as bad as the previous example. The moment he stands in front of you and leers into your eyes you WILL pee your pants unless you are some supernatural being, and even then...
I played the second one as a guy with lots of charisma but with a heavy penalty to first impressions. Reason why he used a mask when in public, but i want to hear how would you make these characters work.
>>47102940
ironic and unironic at the same time senpai
toxicity is forced, its almost a knee jerk reaction.
>>47102942
>>47102940
But its really true that a lot of people here on /tg/ think that Charisma = Looks.
I mean look at OP's
>What would that even look like
...and most of the thread.
Do i agree with it?
Hell fucking no.
Its dumb as fuck.
I had my best characters ugly as fuck and with high as charisma as it goes. Most of my BBG are like that for example.
>>47103038
>I played the second one as a guy with lots of charisma but with a heavy penalty to first impressions. Reason why he used a mask when in public
This guy gets it.
>>47103109
For some reason, despite having only a few lines each I found myself getting attached to the adventurers in DD very easily. Especially the houndmaster, and how his injury portrait is him shielding his trusty dog.
>>47103188
>tfw Madman uses Accusation on Houndmaster
That said, I can see how some people do build their charisma off of looks, and if that feature is taken away they'd suffer a penalty for it.
If someone built their incredible to the point of being uncanny charisma on physical beauty, inspiring speech, and genius fighting ability and then lost all three, along with all hope... Well, that would be tragic.
There honestly should be a separate roll for beauty. Charisma has nothing to do with looks.
>>47103263
There is a reason why most setting's don't do it tho. Stats are there to represent an objective value for external actions. How character, armour or monster looks is up to individual players subjectively and GM should just nudge them into that direction.
>>47103263
Why even roll for beauty? It's as much appearance as hair color or eye color. It doesn't mean anything for stats aside from being a second, narrower Cha.
Charisma shouldn't equal beauty, but if you want you can use it as a guideline. You can make a handsome suave hero, or an ugly but well-spoken sorcerer. It all depends on how much talking and charisma-related things you plan to do with the character.
>>47100251
>rolling stats
Gonna go ahead and say people who don't roll stats are just pussies playing make believe instead of actually playing the game
>>47103060
>But its really true that a lot of people here on /tg/ think that Charisma = Looks.
No, it's a lot of people understand that appearance is a component of charisma, you ugly person you.
And that's because it's true. Ugly people need to compensate more.
>>47100251
a 3 Charisma character would look like Corporal "Nobby" Nobbs from the Discworld novels.
>>47103432
> ugly people need to compensate more
Yeah, through charisma. Combining attractiveness into charisma is stupid. Sometimes the ugly lunk is the most charming guy around and a pussy magnet while being dumb as shit.
Rolled 4 (1d20)
Rolling for my CHA.
>>47100720
Somebody never read the books it seems
Rolled 4 (1d20)
>>47103511
rollin
Maybe I could be a sorcerer
>>47103503
>>47103432
> CHA 18
>>47103432
>Ugly people need to compensate more.
Yeah, like for example through higher Charisma?
Rolled 20 (1d20)
>>47103511
so lonely
>>47103556
>> CHA 18
I always like to think of Grigori(j?) Rasputin as the example of high Cha / poor looks archetype.
>>47103584
Damn you. Damn you to hell!
>>47103592
I don't think Rasputin was considered ugly at his times and his country.
Also, his dick
>>47103503
>>47103567
>being literally retarded
It's a component of the Charisma stat.
Pretty people are considered to be more charismatic. That's just life.
I'm sorry you are ugly and that ugliness is affecting how you understand game rules.
>>47101492
Low charisma character just would be ultra awkward and couldn't convince anybody about anything through normal talk.
That picture means a huge penalty to charisma if somebody sees his face, not result of low charisma.
Rolled 4 (1d20)
>>47103606
im still lonely
Q______Q
charisma ain't shit man i tell ya
not with that face
/fit/ get me that STR so i can finally nail some wet flaps
>>47103675
>4
>>47103662
>I'm sorry you are ugly.
This is accurate.
pls no bully
>>47102368
Why would a human piss to mark his territory?
Apes don't do that
>>47100411
Don't go with low Charisma equals being ugly.
I usually say it's more like they're ignored by people, they're those sorts of people who always somehow remain in the background of a conversation, no matter what they do it always takes a conscious effort to talk to them, much less notice them.
People won't like him, treat everything he says as an unintended insult or somesuch.
>>47103725
because somebody might take "raised by wolves" a bit too literally
>>47102484
A kender. You just described a kender.
>>47103725
Ever been to Paris?
>>47103662
>It's a component of the Charisma stat.
>Pretty people are considered to be more charismatic. That's just life.
Beauty affects charisma in much the same way affluence does. Does that mean that having 18 CHA also means your character must be wealthy? It changes the way people respond to you and form opinions on you much the same way being handsome does, so by your logic it should also be a component of the Charisma stat.
Poorfags have to work harder to get people to listen to them and acknowledge their ideas. Money talks, and the thought of being friends with someone of means has an immediate affect on how people regard you. That's just life.
>>47100251
Charisma is all about magnetism. If you're physically attractive AND you use it to your advantage, you ought to have a high Cha score. If you're a successful dictator type, you also ought to have a high Cha score. If you're a seemingly plain female librarian who's a 10/10 when she takes off her glasses, you don't need a high Cha score.
To answer your question OP, your player is utterly repulsive to the point that normal people would much rather spend time in the company of lepers.
Rolled 2 (1d20)
>>47103511
>>47103552
>>47103675
Is this some kind of conspiracy by the dice?
>>47103837
Man.
Just ignore this idiot like most of us.
If he uses ad hominems to strengthen his shitty argument it already tells a lot about quality of further discourse with him. I don't really think anyone calling people ugly on /tg/ is right there you know?
>>47103872
No, i think the dice knows that we are just disposable manginas i presume.
Rolled 10 (1d20)
>>47103902
The dice knows me better than I know myself.
Rolling for WIS.
>>47103961
MEDICORE
>>47100411
Your players would have ro be pretty good to pull this off but here is how I would do it.
First off the guy can barely speak. He has a smattering of words he has learned from party members, but he mostly communicates with grunts, hooting, and roaring.
Laws, what are those? Manners? Social norms? He doesn't know about that shit, the only rules he understands are stregth and basic animalistic pack dynamics. The leader of the party is the alpha, for as long as he remains stronger.
His hair and beard are long greasy matted and tangled. His skin is filthy, covered in sores and scabs ( that actually happens if you go a very long time without bathing, assuming you scratch which I think its safe to say he would) and you couldn't get him to undestand the concept of pants so the best you have been able to do is throw some sort of wrap around him like the bastard child of a kilt and a loincloth.
Now heres where it gets fun iny opinion, have the party try to civilized and control him, and ass they succeed in making him more human change his stats a accordingly. Teach him to speak (this should take a while, sadly he has low int) and watch as he starts communicating better ( Peale will respond better to " no do that" instead of someone screaming in their face and beating on their chest like a gorilla ). ShAve him, teach him to bathe and do something about his hair. For the love of all that is holy teach him to dress himself. He will never be normal, but hopefully eventually he will be normal enough to pass for a really eccentric foreigner, and the party can leave him without supervision. This should not be easy, this should take a long time, and a lot of effort, but if your players are willing I think it would be a pretty cool element for the game.
>All this argument and confusion as CHA is a combo of looks, personality and social graces.
You know, there is an easy way to get around this problem
Stop playing D&D and play a game that isn't objectively shit.
>>47104068
>>47103765
Several times, did not notice an unusual amount of public urination for a big city
>>47104068
Alternatively:
>find a group with READING COMPREHENSION
Rolled 12 (1d20)
>>47103511
Rolling
>>47102438
I had the opposite happen. An urban druid who's only real knowledge of the wilds was a book about identifying poisonous plants.
>>47104159
now Prague on the other hand...
>>47104272
pee in loo?
>>47100378
>I put on the headband of intelligence +6
>"Alrighty Rick give me your character sheet you know the fucking rules."
>>47100288
So we're just going to start calling all opinions memes now?
>>47100251
What type of rolling are you doing to even allow anything under a 6 in any stat?
>>47104272
>big city
>>47104391
If by loo you understand czech girls.
>>47104625
kek
yes i mean that
been to czech r
can relate
i don't know what is wrong with them but i like it
>>47103662
>15 Charisma
Gosh, Beholders sure are attractive. Significantly above human average, that's for sure.
>>47102903
>My party has a small sized summoner who rides (unarmed!) on the back of their eidolon into battle.
WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?
>>47104763
This. I don't know where the idea of charisma having anything to do with physical attractiveness comes from. Paladins and sorcerer's don't derive their powers from chiseled cheekbones, and some of the most influential people in real world history were far from being supermodels.
>>47104901
>I don't know where the idea of charisma having anything to do with physical attractiveness comes from.
Mary Sues
>>47104901
The problem is it represents force of personality, while Wisdom got the Will save.
All Charisma got was Sorcerer casting stat and social skills.
>>47100262
First post best post why did the rest of the thread even bother?
>>47104763
Well, they have beautiful eyes and wonderfully white teeth. That Beholder there is a solid 8/10, would take home and introduce to parents after the 3rd date.
>>47103837
No, but being wealthy can be a component of why your charisma is the score it is, or you could receive circumstantial bonuses when people are aware and care about your wealth.
People who are attractive have that as part of their charisma built in. You don't have to be beautiful, but if you are its built right in. Becoming hideously scarred provides a similar negative.
>>47104763
And a Stone Golem swims better than you do.
What's your point?
>>47105179
It seems a lot simpler to just say the score is based on personality and the ability to read people, and everything else (beauty included) is a situational modifier at best.
>Becoming hideously scarred provides a similar negative.
With high enough charisma, you could probably spin a unique feature like rad facial scars to increase your impact on people.
>>47104947
Some of my favorite builds involve Tattooed Monk. Get some meta reducers and maybe a Marshal dip for 4X CHA to everything. But that's fairly high level and sacrifices two levels into really specific, non-casting classes.
>>47100340
Clearly.
Another reason to use Gurps, which models exactly HOW you are an unappealing motherfucker in some detail.
Your appearance matters, although probably not to creatures very like you. Likewise, having annoying habits, various physical things like smelling bad, or having a weird, creepy voice can make people dislike you. By the same token, you can have a really good voice, and other things that make people react well.
There is even one that makes gullible and/or gungho people like you, and a lot of other people think you are a stupid jackass.
Some negative traits also make you good at intimidating people and interrogation, but terrible outside of that, or somewhat resistant to some mental hardship or influence, but you know, kind of a robotic dead fish buzzkill that creeps people out.
>>47104618
>UUUU
>>47104548
>implying they aren't already...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meme
Mundane and hard to give a shit about. Charisma is the personality/standing out score, no charisma = blends in perfectly
>>47100500
>Have him randomly sniff people, touch their faces, urinate in public, smell very strange, and constantly misread people and situations.
>telling the DM to take control of PLAYER characters
Some people say there is no wrong way to play a role-playing game. They are not quite right. THIS is the wrong way to play a role-playing game, because when you do it the player whose character you are taking control of is no longer role-playing. So, don't do it or tell other people to do it.
>>47100262
This should have been /thread
>>47100418
If he's so autistic, how'd he charm his adoptive father long enough to stab him to death?
>>47100251
Usually, if its gonna get in the way to having fun (the player has no idea how to roll it or simply doesn't wants to play a low stat character) We let the player reroll until he/she gets at least a score of 12
The point in this is being comfortable with what you have. Inwould let him roll again if he wants. But if he says is gonna roll with it but doesnt knows how then inwoukd suggest something like this
>>47100279
>>47100349
>>47100376
>>47100690
>>47104763
well, you know what they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder
>>47100262
Can't you get a 3 with the point buy system? I've never used it but it seems like you could simply subtract enough points from your charisma score to add onto another stat.
I know that you have to pay more for each increase but do they really have a lower limit?
>>47100999
>posts pic of man pointing towards his post number
>gets trips
This can't be a coincidence.
>>47108047
Most point-buy systems for D&D have you start at 8, or "10 but you can lower to 8 for some extra points". You can't go below that, and even if you could it grants no points.
Why does ANYONE think Charisma is a measure of how physically attractive you are?
Someone who's Charismatic isn't necessarily attractive, there's no direct correlation. In fact you could argue that it's more likely an ugly person is Charismatic, they don't have looks to fall back on, so they need to express themselves better and be generally more interesting in order to get the same amount of attention as an attractive person.
Charisma is personality, force of will, your ability to influence the feelings of others.
Not how square your jaw is. Comeliness needs to be an extra stat, just to clear this shit up.
I once played a character with high physical stats, and a 6 in Charisma. He was average looking, but I played him like a socially retarded guy. One highlight was picking the lock into a female party member's room to have her look over arcane research, and acting like I wasn't doing anything wrong. Then I left, picking the lock shut again.
>>47104173
>Alternatively:
>find a group with READING COMPREHENSION
Like anon said, stop playing DnD.
>>47108017
Nice.
Aren't you fucking non-sapient if you have <6 in any mental stat?
>>47108191
Less than three, actually. That said, I'd carefully consider his other stats. A 7 and a 3 are really bad, and unless he got some really good ones, he might be in line for a reroll, though I can't quite recall the rules on that.
>>47108092
I remember reading our DM's Unearthed Arcana books for AD&D and finding the Comeliness variant rule, which was calculated from this after primary stats were rolled:
>[(Str+Con)/8] + (Cha/2) + (3d6/4)
>In the case of uneven numbers, wait until the final calculation and then round down.
I thought this was kind of a neat way to do it. Charisma goes into it more than Strength and Constitution do, but there's also the 3d6/4 there that kind of acts like its own little Comeliness stat independent of those, so you can have a character with high Charisma who's not necessarily very attractive.
Like, if you gave this guy 15 Strength and Constitution and rolled a 10 for your 3d6, you'd wind up with about 7 for your Comeliness stat.
>>47108191
I don't know where you got that from, but I'm almost positive it's not true. People playing illiterate Barbarians with INT 3 have been a thing before in groups I've played, IIRC. At least in the editions I'm familiar with, I remember the bounds of sapience as much lower than that.
>>47106738
I don't think that's what the anon you replied to meant. Just to give the player that direction if they're looking for ways to play 3 CHA.
His name is Cockbottom Sloppyjon Fart-boxing-Allotment of the House of Fuck-Me-By-The-Bins-The-Bins-The-Bins-No-Not-Them-Bins-These-Bins.
Definately a boner killer.
>>47108092
Stop being ugly and stop strawmanning.
Appearance is a part of charisma. It's not the end all be all, just like how having good math skills isn't the end all be all of intelligence, but it falls under that category.
>>47108092
>Then I left, picking the lock shut again.
Hold up, can you even do that? Picking a lock consists of manipulating the pins so that they're out of the way, opening the lock. I don't think you can pick a lock closed any more than you can open a door to close it.
>>47108624
Yeah, it's not what I meant, but I worded it very badly so I was just gonna take my scolding in stride.
>>47108808
>He's never opened a door back shut.
These casuals, lord, I swear.
>>47100251
Pretty sure that's mathematically impossible?
>>47109127
>3d6 can all turn it with 1s on their faces
>Impossiboru!
I'm not sure how to tell you this anon, but whatever universe you inhabit doesn't work the same as mine does, and it is in fact, mathematically (as well as physically!) possible to roll a 3 for an ability score. Particularly in old editions of D&D.
>Character has 18 CHA, 3 INT and 3 WIS
How would you play it, teej?
>>47109389
A hopeless moron who will never figure it out but will bludgeon his head against the wall, slowly and painfully, until he gets to the end. Hard not to like even though you know he's not good for anyone. Basically this guy.
>>47109389
Zoolander
>>47109389
An especially dumb supermodel. Like this, yet somehow even dumber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnZ2XdqGZWU
>>47103592
My go-to is John C. Reilly
>>47109127
3*1 = 3 anon.
>>47100251
Ever seen a middle-aged Indian guy on a dating site?
>>47101430
Eh, depends on the edition. I mean, if it's 3 Charisma in 2e that means he can, what, only hire one goon at once? He makes a shittier first impression? It's not really a big deal.
>>47106738
How about when something external or internal but circunstantial affects them? Like internal fear due to a roll or supernatural/normal influence?
>>47100999
is he trying to be a crip?
I hate how people equate low charisma with being ugly or a complete autist.
>>47100251
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Notes:3
>capable of only minimal independent decision making
>>47101621
He accidentally put all his points into intimidate instead of diplomacy. That series is great btw.
>>47108047
That isn't the point at all. You have to be willing to choose a 3, not randomly roll it or have it as a dump stat. Rolling for attributes creates insane caricatures of people that not everyone likes.
>>47110056
Like when paladins are made to fall? ;^D
Imagine if there was a system without "mental" stats like charisma, wisdom and intellect. Imagine if those qualities were roleplayed by players instead.
>>47102719
What an INSANELY fucking ridiculous concept. People aren't just...BOUND by some arbitrary number line the moment they're born. People grow up to do different things and learn different skills. Being "above average" in anything isn't even considered extraordinary any more, chico. Being "above average" is considered mundane.
I said this before, and I'll say it again.
>GPA average of 3.75
>Can bench 2pl8
>Can drive stick shift
>Took taekwondo
>Took boxing
>Can speak Korean as a secondary language
>Can write cursive
>Yo soy Espanol aprende
>Read the bible
>Read the news
>Has voted before
>Didn't fully learn how, but I can captain a sailboat if I really had to
And yet, all of these things aren't even that extraordinary.
3.75 GPA? Pffft, my friend has literal autism and he gets a 3.8 or so. 2 pl8 bench? Anyone could get to 2 pl8s after just a year. Stick shift? Please, the entirety of the last generation GREW UP with stick shift, don't tell me it's an "accomplishment".
Everyone's taken SOME lessons in self defense, everyone knows at least SOME words in Spanish or German or Korean or what have you.
NOTHING in my list of "skills" are actual, real "skills" that anyone would be remotely impressed by. If I tried to pass off this list as a list of reasons why I'm the most magnificent human being of all time, people would laugh me off of the goddamn stage.
But for some goddamn reason, if DnD saw my list of attributes and put them to my character, DnD would SHIT ITS FUCKING PANTS.
DnD would be all "OI, YOU CHEEKY CUNT. YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ADVANCED CALCULUS AND RUN A 7 MINUTE MILE ALL IN THE SAME BODY...THAT'S UNREALISTIC."
Oh fucking Lordy, give me strength. You have NO fucking scope whatsoever when it comes to what a normal, average human being can and can't do.
TL;DR? Rolling dice is dumb.
>>47100411
Hes full blown feral druid, grunting shitting and screaming to be expected. Hes a retarded garruk the wildspeaker, congrats famalamadingdong.
>>47104262
so a level 0 druid????
>>47100251
how can you roll 3 for charisma, roll 4 1s?
make him reroll that shit
>>47100411
>low int and cha druid?
He could play this out as a literal tmblr tier otherkin.
>>47100251
Completely unrelatable. Even the party barely puts up with them. That or they're showing off third degree burns.
>>47107491
Roose actually pretty much disliked him
>>47110056
see >>47110760, because that's actually a relevant point.
The way I see it, you gotta tread lightly when it comes to stuff like that. Use them sparingly, or when you do use them be sure to make players aware of the risk somehow. I would personally incorporate note-passing to the player along those lines. For fear, I would just tell the player, and if they thought it was bullshit we could work it out later.
>>47112872
>>47107491
That's a question that's never really answered in the books or the show, why Roose tolerated such a shit for so long. In the books he says that he needs an adult heir because child lords ruin a house, but surely nothing to come out of Fat Walda could ruin a house half as quickly as Ramsay.
Mt headcanon is that he sees a lot of himself in Ramsay and a weird kind of honor stops him from condemning Ramsay for being a shithead rapist torturer when Roose is the same thing, just marginally more discreet about it.
>>47102945
Last time I rolled stats my lowest was like 10. It's higher risk but higher payoff. I do it that way because I like to leave the character up to chance. Usually makes it more interesting to work with.
>>47103263
First impressions though. If you look hideous then people won't approach you for advice if they don't already know you. It's kinda realistic in that sense.
Rolled 5 (1d20)
>>47103511
rollin' on a river
>>47112659
kill yourself
>>47112659
your gay
>>47109389
I would play it like pretty much every Shonen anime protagonist ever. Too dumb to live but somehow their sheer magnatism makes everyone love them. Allies flock to their cause and villians convert in the face of their determination, despite the fact they are literally retarded.
>>47112659
한국 말을 할수 있다고? 못 믿어. 너 한국 말을 할줄 알면 대답 좀 해봐.
>>47100262
>"People can never be insanely ugly, weak or uncoordinated in real life, so why bother rolling stats?"
>>47101471
>>47100411
Well taking the "charisma is force of will" angle...
I'd like to bring up a Discworld character. Herne the Hunted. "Herne is the god of small furry animals that are destined to end their lives as a small damp squeak".
While druids are generally identified with predator animals and big predator animals. A low cha druid may be better off mixing it up with prey. Nervous and always worried about an owlbear showing up to eat them.
Considering the traits of prey animals it's easy to think of a character that is nerotic and always rambling about potential threats. While being very jumpy.
Makes some interesting dynamics. Imagine such a druid cowering behind the party barbarian? Or immediately following the plan of whoever is winning the argument and is thus alpha?
Heck instead of being a gross woodlander that doesn't get it. They could be more like an over excitable puppy that just never quite gets it wrong. As they learn societal traits they make a serious effort because they are neurotic about getting yelled at. Yet they just can't quite get it right.
>>47115306
>Imagine such a druid cowering behind the party barbarian?
that's fucking adorable desu senpai, I'm stealing the shit out of that
>>47103473
Nobby is very charismatic though. In the getting things out of people, being generally well liked by those that know him, ability to get away with all kinds of crimes, and getting people to tell him things way.
It's just that people question if he's human. Also most people know not to trust him.
3 is as low as a human can get without being the village idiot/a physical invalid/hideous to the point of scaring animals and small children.
It's the bottom of the "normal human" bell curve.
>>47101279
IMO 1-2 is "disability tier", since animals have an INT of 1. 2 CHA might be like, rain man or something.
>>47100251
Druid.
Think of the dirtiest tramp you can think of.
Has to steal everything or act through his more charasmatic companions.
Every now and then he gets his hands on a potion of charisma or an illusion spell and some poor sod wakes up to him in the morning.
>>47115324
Agreed. I kind of want to play a character like that now. Double checking the chart here
>>47110610
Makes it feel like even more of a fit. Animals in general may have low Cha in d20 as a reflection of lack of strong independent will vs just going along with survival instincts.
>>47115306
This is a brilliant and far superior way to take this
his creature identity is with squirrels, deer, raccoons, etc
low charisma is a combination of perpetual fear and spinelessness, making everyone disregard him and dislike him (its so bad nobody even pities him)
but he is still useful obviously
>>47115542
So in all but physical, he is an wolf.
>[yiffs]
But for real, if he can't think for himself that is a difficult thing to role-play. Maybe he can have a strong loyalty to another party member, he could be their hunting hound or seeing-eye dog or something.
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>>47100251
>>47115342
Low Charisma, but dumped all his skill points into Charisma based skills.
>>47112659
This is a good post that makes a good point.
>My friends and I ran into the same problem when we tried to stat ourselves for 3.5 shenanigans.
>Realize we all have higher ability scores and more skills than normal PCs that are level 4
>We're all positive that if an actual real-life goblin appeared in the room right now it would probably kill all four of us.
Dnd and it's derivatives use abstractions for stats that don't carry over to reality easily, that's why stat-me threads are bad.
