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Previously, on tundra civ:
>>46983951
A dark chapter in our history was written - in the first month of 1076 AE(After Exile) the killing of several anti-government protesters in the kafi lands by a military officer sparked the beginning of a kafi uprising, which turned into a holy war for these subjects of the White Republic. As an answer the Kafi Extermination order was approved, yet the rebels persisted until anhilation. The news of the violent surpression of this rebellion spread to other non-white provinces and caused massive riots. Refusal to bow down to the demands of the rioters led to more conflict, a large-scale revolution throughout the provinces that lasted for nearly two years before being crushed by the military.
While the material damages of these uprisings will be restored in a matter of years, the political effects will last far longer.
>Population:70 000 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 12 500 000 Eyerdar 4 200 000 Veita 4 100 000 Ocras
>Economy:6/10
>Food stockpiles:6/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 5/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
The Home continent of Aymsland was where the uprisings took place. Over two million non-white casualties have been confirmed, troops are still stationed in the provinces and vassal states to oversee restoration of order.
Hundreds of thousands of people from subjugated races have migrated to Eyerdar, where the NPU promises a new life and freedom for all.
>>47002951
G.
We need scarier military tech to stay politically safe.
>>47002951
NPU is this universe version of the USA isn't it
The Kaichou have pushed the aboriginal darkskins deeper into the arid lands of Veita, while our colonists have settled along the colder, southern shores as well.
>>47003088
Smuggle the aboriginals high-caliber military tech with anti-Kaichou propaganda.
>>47002951
>F.Improve Military
Stronger civil Militia used as guards and proper police is needed, we require them to have revolvers like SAA and proper protections.
Also have you seen the news bulgar? our kafi revolt may have been a meme magic source for the recent incursion by sunni IRL in the green zone in Baghdad.
>>47003159
I saw that too why did it happen
>>47003159
I didn't hear about this.
More?
The smallest continent, Ocras, is also becoming perhaps the most prosperous, fueled by its vast mineral wealth and its detachment from conflicts elsewhere.
>>47003159
Huh, I'll check into that. It'd be interesting if we can channel meme magic here.
>>47003188
theory 1:
our rolls were so bad they transcend dimension and cause revolt in ethnics similar in other dimensions as well.
Theory 2:
they wanted to go their parliament and the US embassy and other such infrastructures to see if there's what they consider haram going on in there, also destroying walls/buildings is part of their culture.
anyway won't talk about it here too much, the discussion kinda belongs to /pol/, saw it on "Russian today".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_6TcxLFtc4
>>47003159
I'm in agreement with this
We've improved our professional police force, giving them better training(new police academies) and equipment. While professional police are primarily concentrated in urban areas, civil militias in rural regions act as guards and law enforcements in the absence of police. The military-industrial complex we established is producing large amounts of firearms and the equipment of our militias and law enforcement has improved.
A new matter has appeared before the Council today:
The Sigbru government in Pashawan has requested that the vassal sigbru state be granted the territories on the southern side of the sigbru/pajit border river. The territory between Stupni and Pusni is fertile and primarily populated by pajit - these settlements were heavily involved in the recent uprisings and their population has now rapidly decreased. The Sigbru population has grown to nearly two million and their current territories are unable to sustain them. They argue that the proposed annexation would be best for both parties, as they could have more living space and we wouldn't have to worry about administering this troublesome region.
A.Approve Sigbru expansion
B.Reject
>>47003590
>C.Propose to administrate working permits and to supply them with food, at the price of some of the raw resources on their territory, claim as well the fact that we will work toward stabilizing this region before we are to give it to them.
>>47003685
actually I'm changing my vote to this
>>47003590
This territory would include part of the vassal Core State, but they are in no position to negotiate, having taken part in the recent uprisings.
Other propositions can also be made.
>>47003844
Hm....what kind of administrative work permits and trade agreements are being negotiated?
>>47003844
did you delete yourself bulgar, or is this the /tg/ to /qst/ purge?
Fuck me, that post was just wrong. I slipped up there.
We've implemented a mandate of 8 years of gradual administrative changes. Sigbru workers have been issued working permits to begin setting up farming lands south of the current border. Sigbru lands are well suited for cotton production and we've agreed to a significant lowering of prices for cotton, used to fuel Riverhold's well-developed textile industry.
The economy is gradually recovering from the uprisings now.
>Population:70 000 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 12 500 000 Eyerdar 4 200 000 Veita 4 100 000 Ocras
>Economy:7/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7810
>Political Stability: 5/10
>Population:70 600 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 12 600 000 Eyerdar 4 300 000 Veita 4 300 000 Ocras
>Economy:6/10
>Food stockpiles:6/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 5/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47003964
>Population:70 000 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 12 500 000 Eyerdar 4 200 000 Veita 4 100 000 Ocras
>Economy:7/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7810
>Political Stability: 5/10
>Population:70 600 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 12 600 000 Eyerdar 4 300 000 Veita 4 300 000 Ocras
>Economy:6/10
>Food stockpiles:6/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 5/10
You're drunk Bulgar?
either-way
>G.Research science
electricity and water systems will allow us to gain the public support, we need military tech as well. we mustn't fall behind.
>>47003964
>L.Government and laws
I propose we set up a government reconstruction initiative to improve the stability of the nation and our vassals and restore some of the minorities faith in the government.
>>47003964
>G.Research science
Get that public support
Hey Obelix
>>47004040
Sup inky go to have you here, we're back on good numbers in economy and food, political stability is iffy, but laws and purges won't solve it, we need more tech to have more secrete authority, anti-corruption and psyops measures to implement.
Also here's something to think about, do we attack the New pajit Union:
For
>on a desert, might have petrol
>the spires likely still lurk there
>destroying the Union of all our old enemies
Against
>logistics will be hell right now because we only have steamboats
>might cause our annexed land to revolt
what do you guys think?
>>47004134
I don't think attacking them right now it a good idea. It's going to be like American against the British, the best thing we can do it bulid up our colonies, to defense if we'll going to be attacked.
If it comes to war, we have a huge navy so, we can try to straved them out. While our colonies will defence.
If we try to attacked most likely fight to the last men if since the recent revolts that had happened.
>>47004134
Until the kafi massacres image dies down in the minds of all the other people I don't think its wise to launch any offensive war.
In various fields, our latest technological advancements:
>Military - breech-loaded guns - new field artillery, rifles and revolvers
>Navy - ironclad steam warships
>Mechanization - interchangable parts, machine tools - this area has lagged behind with heavy government involvement in manufacturing and relatively little attention paid to it, material input efficiency hasn't been a priority due to the abundant resources we have
>Power - steam turbines have greatly improved the steam engine's capabilties, useful in all fields. Electric engineering has produced its first useful application, the telegraph
>Chemistry - kerosene fuel for lightning, synthetic dyes and artificial fertilizers
Where should the government direct its attention to in particular?
>>47004275
Note - this is what has been done already. Pick one or two areas to focus on now.
>>47004275
>Mechanization - interchangable parts, machine tools - this area has lagged behind with heavy government involvement in manufacturing and relatively little attention paid to it, material input efficiency hasn't been a priority due to the abundant resources we have
>>47004275
>Power - steam turbines have greatly improved the steam engine's capabilties, useful in all fields. Electric engineering has produced its first useful application, the telegraph
We need the electric lamps and radios, the Radio will allow us to gain global support.
>Chemistry - kerosene fuel for lightning, synthetic dyes and artificial fertilizers
Chemical warfare soon, we'll need grenades also and Medical advances will make sure the people will be more calm.
Also our empire has no opium and other drugs right? because we need to make sure it stays that way
>>47004275
>>Mechanization - interchangable parts, machine tools - this area has lagged behind with heavy government involvement in manufacturing and relatively little attention paid to it, material input efficiency hasn't been a priority due to the abundant resources we have
>Power - steam turbines have greatly improved the steam engine's capabilties, useful in all fields. Electric engineering has produced its first useful application, the telegraph
>>47004348
>Power - steam turbines have greatly improved the steam engine's capabilties, useful in all fields. Electric engineering has produced its first useful application, the telegraph
>Chemistry - kerosene fuel for lightning, synthetic dyes and artificial fertilizers
>>47004275
Power, let's go hydro electric, we have tons of rivers to do it with on all continents.
>>47004386
Tea is a major product in the upper grand river valley, a specialty of the goran that we've adopted. Coffee, cocoa, tobacco and sugar were native to the Lake-sea area and have since been spread and cultivated elsewhere in our republic as well.
Various opiates are known and registered - the Barniju Spice Islands and parts of Aymsland's southeast produce such products. We have no legislature that handles any substance use, eastern opiates are a luxury with limited popularity outside of its native areas.
>>47004451
We'll rely a lot on coal power early on as well, but by researching chemistry i hope we'll get closer to researching nuclear power that way as well, it's well suited to lands with lots of rivers like our, and we likely have some Uranium in our colonies or in our land.
but early on, hydro and coal will do.
>>47004275
>Mechanization - interchangable parts, machine tools - this area has lagged behind with heavy government involvement in manufacturing and relatively little attention paid to it, material input efficiency hasn't been a priority due to the abundant resources we have
>Chemistry - kerosene fuel for lightning, synthetic dyes and artificial fertilizers
Advances in electrical engineering have produced the first electrical generators, providing direct-current electrical power. This technology is still in its initial phases of development, the first electric lamps have appeared in Victory city, home of a great inventor from the local university, Professor Karius.
Kerosene as a fuel for lightning has so far been primarily created by refining coal. Recent advancements have allowed the distillment of kerosene from a variety of materials, including petrolium - the first large oil well has been constructed by a private enterpreneur near Swamprice. Mr. Sittars, owner of this oil well, is seeing his fortune rise at great speeds and has already begun expanding his operations around Swamprice, where his first oil refinery is located - a milestone of private enterprise!
In other news, the native tribes of Eyerdar have almost completely been conquered by pajit and kaichou colonists. The larger part of the transcontinental Kaichou-Chink railroad has also been completed, greatly boosting the economies of those two nations.The delay was part reading up on the history of electrical engineering, petroleum and drawing the map
>Population:72 000 000 (72% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,7% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 000 000 Eyerdar 4 500 000 Veita 4 600 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47004942
>I.Improve economy
time to build our National Oil wells and to build our Electrical network and first hydro-generator, coal generators
>>47004994
Agreed we can put these wells to use fueling our lndustry
>>47004942
>>47004994
This, got to have a grid, or series of grids per continent or region.
>>47004994
This
>>47005020
>>47005033
>>47005060
with all this money we'll be able to give more fund to our research centers and our secret military research base, that will also be used for our most secretive military forces.We will also enforce a higher competitivity on our market by making people pay low prices ensuring that our privatized competitor make people pay a fair price that will profit our nation.
The beginning of a second Industrial Revolution?
Currently both the petroleum and electrical developments are successful private ventures in their early stages.
Professor Karius' electrical generators have begun to gather interest and he has begun commercial operations in Victory City as founder of Karius Electrics - he provides electrical lightning for over 100 buildings by now and his operations are expanding at great speed.
Sittars Petroleum is a private company, based in Swamprice, Aymsland. It has one refinery and several oil wells in the swampy region of the Corelands. Petroleum products are finding more and more use and Mr. Sittars' fortunes are growing with every month.
Economists argue that these private enterpreneurs have proven that government's involvement in economic and innovative matters should be minimized. These are the technologies of the future and if the government could get its hands on it, we'd gain a lot of...power.
Our current economic model is of a mixed economy - while the primary economic sector - agriculture and raw materials - is mostly private-owned, manufacturing is where the government is heavily involved - private factories exist, of course, but our government either owns shares in much of the secondary sector. Infrastructure is also government-dominated, with a monopoly on rail transport and large involvement in telegraph communication.
A.Let the free market take off on its own, now that we've helped lay the foundations of industry - given economic freedom, these enterpreneurs will have initiative and develop rapidly
B.Keep a mixed economic model, sign agreements with the new electrical and petroleum companies to help them develop their bases, while we use the technology for national development and keep a sizable part of the profits for the Treasury
C.Nationalise these new industries, government shall have a full monopoly - offer the inventors big rewards and government positions, but in the end everything will be owned by us
>>47005330
>B.Keep a mixed economic model, sign agreements with the new electrical and petroleum companies to help them develop their bases, while we use the technology for national development and keep a sizable part of the profits for the Treasury
Let's have nationalized industry and private industry in the same room this lead to good results:
>if the private industry overprice the nationalized industry take their market share therefore the private industry don't overprice
>if the nationalized industry is inefficient/corrupt they'll lose market-shares or their jobs therefore nationalized industry will try to stay productive and competitive
This is the best choice for our people.
>>47005330
>>47005392
B. national and private competing against eachother sounds good.
We shall continue and expand upon our Mixed economic model, with National and Private industries competing against each other.
The rotary printing press, an invention that has spread in the last 20 years, has now made the printing industry more efficient. Books are cheaper than ever before and newspapers are gaining more popularity. Currently the government owns one newspaper brand and many free news publishing agencies exist through the republic. Our Charter of Laws guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of press.
The latest headlines herald the coming of a Second Industrial Revolution with the many new inventions and new industries that are springing up. Electric grids have been set up through the Corelands, while several new oil deposits have been located - 2 new private petroleum companies have been registered, while the government has also begun drilling and refining operations near Peacetrek.
The 8-year mandate of the pajit border area has ended and the territory between Stupni and Lebni has been annexed by the Sigbru Kingdom.
>Population:74 000 000 (73% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,6% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 400 000 Eyerdar 4 800 000 Veita 4 900 000 Ocras
>Economy:9/10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability: 7/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47005610
>G.Research science
we've got to take mechanization and military tech now, it will make us cross into pre-WW1 era
>>47005610
J. lets improve the other continents, like ocras. improve production and exploitation of resources, more rail lines and ports, maybe even lay transoceanic cables for over seas comms?
>>47005610
G. Caterpillar tracks.
>>47005769
Hi Inky, do you have that flag that you and Prassel made a while ago? I brought it up yesterday and I'm wondering if you have it.
>>47005869
No man, me and him made lot of flags that thread. I don't recall if we even picked a flag. But what I know we both semi agree that the flag is semi similar to the British flag with different colors and a eagle in there somewhere.
>>47005869
Also I'm on my phone and the flags I've saved are in my computer.
>>47005956
I remember it being somewhat like the German flag. It was Black, Orange and Gold in horizontal tricolor pattern. Then it had a white eagle on it. I do remember a Union Jack with those same colors being proposed but I think that the Tricolor with an eagle was chosen as the final one.
>>47005991
after a lot of ctrl+F i found it
also this search with so many false positives, just gave a new meaning to the expression False flag.
>>47006087
On the flag, I don't like the Orange, I like it Blue instand since we started in the Tundra. But that's just me.
>>47006087
That's the one. I remember helping to make it by suggesting stuff like an eagle akin to medieval heraldry combined a simplistic tricolor.
>>47005610
>G.Research science
After this we need economic improvements, all our lands need railroads and shit!
Advancements in science have led to semi-automatization in factories - electric machinery is being introduced, superior machine tools are employed. Many factories now have gas lighting, increasing possible work hours. A variety of other mechanical inventions are being introduced, as well as some new agricultural technologies like new drying methods, which have increased production of some cash crops like coffee and tea.
>Population:75 000 000 (73% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,6% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 500 000 Eyerdar 4 900 000 Veita 5 000 000 Ocras
>Economy:9/10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability: 7/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
Flag proposals for all nations are welcome!
Some considerations: The cross doesn't have as much meaning in this world as a symbol as it does in ours.
Proposals for symbols that can be incorporated into our flag - the four elements, astral bodies(sun, moon, stars), cold, northern colours.
Also for other nations
>The Sunset Alliance - something something dragon something something river
>Kaichou Empire - it's a highly hierarchal and militaristic society, something simple, but meaningful, possibly linked to the worship of the God-Emperor
>The NPU - something something freedom and opportunity in a new land
>>47006178
A. we found the final spire, but have we found our supposed ancestral lands? where we originally came from?
>>47006178
>F.Improve Military
>>47006159
It could be good but you should take a blue closer to the national blue used in most flags.
>>47006178
>G.Research science
>>47006178
G.
I could imagine using the flag of Bhutan but recolored for SSA.
>>47006221
this
>>47006289
or keep the dragon but instead in the background use the Scottish flags pattern for color using yellow lines and mostly orange.
switching >>47006235
to
>G.Research science
>>47006178
Here is the NPC Flag, since they are getting help from the Nose.
>>47006456
Perfect the Goyims will never notice.
>>47006456
I like it but there's something we must consider about it. Do the Pajit have loos and more importantly do they use them.
>>47006456
Good Goy, the Goyims will not see this coming.
Rolled 32 (1d100)
The focus of of military technology in the last three decades has been increasing the rate of fire.
Military engineers have designed a "Battery gun" - a rapid-fire weapon centered on a cyclic multi-barrel design which facilitated cooling and synchronized the firing-reloading sequence. Each barrel fired a single shot when it reached a certain point in the cycle, after which it ejected the spent cartridge, loaded a new round, and, in the process, allowed the barrel to cool somewhat. This configuration allowed higher rates of fire to be achieved without the barrels overheating.
This weapon has been accepted by our armed forces, but is still more of a curiosity as some old-guard officers are skeptical of its uses, particulary critical of its range and mobility.
Rolling for internal development
>>47006456
for the kaichou i'm thinking a pink and gray flag with the greenland's flag patern.
>>47006713
>Rolled 32 (1d100)
the world is kindda pissed at us for being so good.
>>47006741
Here a flag
> Breech loading cannons
> motor engines
> steel forging
> Rapid fire weapons
All we're missing are tracks. We're almost there
>>47006821
turned out really well with pink and red, good job Inky.
>>47006841
Thanks M8
Easiest Map I made.
>>47006836
We also lack riveting or welding to allow for the creation of tanks.
>>47006873
We already have ironclad warships. I would think that we would have the capability to rivet and weld for tanks.
>>47006942
"Ironclad" not iron-hulled. They have plates of metal layered on to wood. For the purposes we want this would not work unless you want to have a tank with a wooden frame or with a series of complex metal parts to hold the plates.
>>47006821
The general shape seems good, but maybe make it a sun, add rays of light, it seems just a bit too plain.
The Republic's politics have over time evolved into two "wings" (coming from the placement of the two large opposing political movements from the PM's POV in the Great Council Hall) - the liberals on the left, who value freedom of enterprise, expression and were behind the extention of citizenship to the chinks, and the conservatives on the right, who value government involvement in the economy, military expansion, religious traditions and a more hawkish foreign policy.
Societal inequality in the White Republic generally seperates a Lower, Middle and Upper Class by income and profession.
Many in the lower class feel disenfranchised, disconnected from the workings of the government. They see the middle and upper class living a far better life and although the workers have also increased their standart of living in the past 100 years, there is a general sence of inequality and unjustice. There are no labor laws that set conditions in the mines, factories and fields - slavery is not a formally abolished practice(though it is extremely rare in our lands).
While the conservatives are seen as representing the upper class, the liberals - the middle class, political thinkers have created the theory of socialism - politics that many in the lower class regard as representing them.
There is great clamor for social reform in our lands as socialism is gaining followers among the lower and middle class.
>Population:76 000 000 (74% white, 11 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,4% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 700 000 Eyerdar
5 000 000 Veita 5 100 000 Ocras
>Economy:9/10
>Food stockpiles:8/10
>Food production: 8/10
>Political Stability: 5/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47007051
>socialism
fuck
>>47007051
>>47007079
uh oh, time to nip this socialism in the bud. i think we have two ways to do this:
1) through religion and culture, having our faith bind us and begin to shape peoples view of poverty and lower classes and necessary, but nothing to be ashamed of.
2) education and personal enterprise and travel to fill voids in markets in other places.
were never going to get rid of poverty but we can help undo the sentiment of being disenfranchised somewhat through social mobility and protections for lowerclass and poverished area/people.
in short: L
>>47007079
L we need labor laws
>>47007079
we need to promote meritocracy self improvement making sure that the upper class isn't squeezing wealth out of the lower class do not let socialism get a foothold
>>47007051
>C.Improve religion/culture
The response to give is Easy
>Free mandatory education
>Labor safety law
>Strong self made man myth usage in our culture
>The implementation of a system in our nationalized industry that encourage work and effort instead of wealth.
Either L or C take a path to solve this issue, i think C is wiser because regulation is expensive and free education is necessary anyway.
>>47007079
G. Research the remaining components to construct tanks. I wanna see a pinko try and sieze parliament against 20 tonnes of metal and guns
>>47007079
>L.Government and laws
In order to quell socialism we must make it a pointless ideology. To this end i suggest the following;
1)That a minimum wage is set for an hours work.
2)That slavery is formally abolished, ignoring hard labour for criminals in prison and such other circumstances.
3)A series of policies to add incentive to improving the health and safety of the working class and setting a series of minimum standards.
4)Lastly the creation of a series of national unions to represent the workers
That covers most of the benefits of socialism. Maybe we should create a NHS but i doubt it would be wise.
>>47007079
>L.Government and laws
Let's stop this Socialism before it begans
>>47007051
The only way were going to beat Socialism is with National Socialism.
The question now is what will be national socialism for the republic
>>47007240
In the future we should invent the helicopter. It should do wonders in halting the spread of communism.
>>47007255
>1)That a minimum wage is set for an hours work.
don't use mandatory fordism, this will only kill real fordism and create unemployment, we don't want to be a industrializing nation that suddenly close down factories to localize them in Kaichou ect.
>4)Lastly the creation of a series of national unions to represent the workers
>unions
>implying they represent worker and not the union itself with it's 300 millions$ worth CEO
Unions are shit they only give a reason and a place for riots and protests and never actually contribute to actual politically wise decision and I'm French so I know what I'm talking about when i say Unions only FUCK a country out of productivity into communism.
What is this and how does it work? I am totally new to this and it looks fascinating as shit!
The labour movement is gaining traction through the industrial cities and towns of our republic.
How shall we adress the people's concerns?
Several SERIOUS matters must be addressed - vote on all of them.
1.Slavery:
A.Change nothing, it is an obsolete system that will cease to exist on its own
B.Abolish the practice of forced labour, except as punishment for criminals
C.Abolish and denounce the practice of slavery, the slave trade and seek to end this abhorrent practice throughout the world
2.Labor laws
A.Don't make changes, the free market will fix it - workers and job creators compete with each other for ever increasing wages and better working conditions, setting standarts would hurt the economy
B.Set some basic standarts on maximum working hours, minimum wage and safety regulations
C.Set generous pro-worker standarts and regulations
3.Labor unions - currently unofficial organisations exist
A.Forbid the formation of labor unions - the people can give voice through their votes in elections
B.Only government-sanctioned labor unions
C.Allow labor unions freely
4.Culture
A.Emphasis on democracy - vote for the representatives you want to fight for you in Council
B.Emphasis on agency - promote private enterprise, hard work, self improvement and a meritocracy
C.Emphasis on religion and culture to bind our people together, do not let class divide the white man
>>47007392
its a civ quest
it began on pol
were a 19/20 centaury nation with significant technological development over the world and run most of it were dealing with socialism right now because we don't want the country ruined
>>47007448
Can I as someone new to this civ quest join in or are there certain prerequisites?
>>47007373
I know they do but it is better if the unions are government employees than just some random factory workers whom love socialism or communism.
If we can make the working class believe we care for them, even if we don't they will be far more content. We must act to that end, now or face a potential uprising of the workers.
>>47007392
Welcome to a civ-game / quest thing, vote on options you think are wise, debate with other players and sometimes do some vaguely roleplay stuff. For now if you want to you can just lurk.
>>47007473
Anyone can join the quest at anytime, just see how things are going and vote on what you think is best.
>>47007445
1.Slavery:
B.Abolish the practice of forced labour, except as punishment for criminals
2.Labor laws:
B.Set some basic standards on maximum working hours, minimum wage and safety regulations
3.Labor unions - currently unofficial organisations exist
B.Only government-sanctioned labour unions
(We will sanction very few/ none)
4.Culture
B.Emphasis on agency - promote private enterprise, hard work, self improvement and a meritocracy
>>47007445
>1
>B.Abolish the practice of forced labour, except as punishment for criminals
>2
>A.Set only basic safety regulations
>3
>B.Only government-sanctioned labor unions
>4
>B.Emphasis on agency - promote private enterprise, hard work, self improvement and a meritocracy
>>47007392
hello clueless, welcome to tundra civ a political civilization game/simulator/quest Where YOUR vote actually matters unlike in real life.
please do read the archive:
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.tg/username/Civ%20bulgar/type/op/
Hope you enjoy your stay/read cause we're not going anywhere out of this website.
how it works:
you vote when prompted and roll determine different consequences.
>>47007445
1. B
2. B
3. A
4. C
>>47007392
Hey there and welcome mate. I'm the OP for these threads. We have a realistic(non-fantasy) story in a fictional world. We play as the White Republic. I keep tabs on statistics like population and every turn I present the players with options they can vote on. Debate is highly encouraged, some roleplaying every now and then - the goal is to have fun and simulate a civilisation's progress - 50 threads ago we started as pre-copper age farmers living in tundra caves, we are now an industrial society that rules much of the planet and is at a technological level comparable to 1870 USA.
There's a pastebin and you can ask about anything, anytime.
>>47007445
>1.Slavery:
C.Abolish and denounce the practice of slavery, the slave trade and seek to end this abhorrent practice throughout the world.
>2.Labor laws:
B.Set some basic standarts on maximum working hours, minimum wage and safety regulations
>3.Labor unions - currently unofficial organisations exist:
B.Only government-sanctioned labor unions
>4.Culture:
B.Emphasis on agency - promote private enterprise, hard work, self improvement and a meritocracy
Pushing all this forward will show the people who will be inclined to socialism that we care about them and thus drive them away from the ideology and improve their futures.
>>47007445
C
B
B
B
>>47007445
>1.Slavery:
>B.Abolish the practice of forced labour, except as punishment for criminals
>2.Labor laws
>A.Don't make changes, the free market will fix it - workers and job creators compete with each other for ever increasing wages and better working conditions, setting standarts would hurt the economy
>3.Labor unions - currently unofficial organisations exist
>B.Only government-sanctioned labor unions
>4.Culture
>B.Emphasis on agency - promote private enterprise, hard work, self improvement and a meritocracy
>>47007538
Nice! Just reading this seems cool and I guess I shall chime in my opinion right off the bat
1. B
2. C
3. C
4. C
I feel that proper laws pertaining to workers rights and proper conditions would greatly improve our economy. A happy worker is a prosperous worker.
Rolled 4 (1d100)
Moderate opinions have prevailed. Socialist politics have entered the stage, but for now a decent balance exists between the classes.
Rolling for event
>>47007608
Hey, Clueless, you won't here for it, but their is a underground organization that want us to fail.
>>47007666
Also Red Revolution here we come.
>>47007666
are we fuck or is this a continuation of peace and prosperity
>>47007683
Oh? Do tell...I may need some filling in for the story that or I will reread the pastebin
>>47007666
>Rolled 4 (1d100)
oh what the fuck
>>47007608
I think you should read the archive but i'l describe you our world a bit:
>the Kaichou Empire (pseudo-japan) and the Sunset alliance (Asiatic country) are our allies
>the pajit new union is the remnant of our old enemy the Pajit empire
>The spire are what held a conspiring community that tried to bring us to destruction
>>47007666
>satan trips
Anarcho-communist-unholy revolt HERE WE GO.
>>47007666
I hope those Gatling guns are good for crowd control. Also demonic trips confirm nose influence.
>>47007713
It's in the pastebin, but the it's just a group, that wants to rule the world behind the shadows. We have figured it out, and at every turn we try to put a stop to them. Like this socialism thing, it's their work, causing problems, that shouldn't exist.
>>47007666
Polish those jackboots boys and girls we've got some reds who need to be dead and I get the feeling certain pairs of hand are involved.
>>47007778
Oh shit, well I don't want to be seen as an enemy agent but I do have some pro-worker views.
>>47007822
Not being a dick to hard workers is fine.
implementing an untested ideology for a nation as big as ours is not
>>47007822
It's alright, but now you know, just know they want to stop us anymore way they can.
Even if it help the people, most likely they going to do it for other reasons.
>>47007850
A valid point that you raise there centurion;
We rule a third of this world, have the most advanced technology, one of the largest armies, certainly the biggest population and should we ever fall then no one can stop us.
That is a truly terrifying thought, ain't it?
>>47007850
Very true, that is just an infallible fact. Just know for future reference I tend to tailor my views and decisions on a left-of-center spectrum but don't think for a second I'll abide by some shadowy organization.
>>47007822
1870 is a bit early to have pro-worker views on things, we can't really democratize a lot of products so people having more money will be useless and i don't think the working class back then is able to do anything other than working to profit our nation, also our industry has a nationalized component, we can enforce Fordism if we want to, but regulation would legitimately slow our economy, we should implement pro-worker laws, but not now it's too early, all that is needed right now is ending child labor and safety regulation in my point of view.
But as said a few threads ago, i respect people for having their on views on things and bringing it up so we can discuss them and maybe find middle-grounds and novel solution to problems.
With rising societal awareness people have become more political.
Communism - the idea of the establishment of a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communists are in a way extreme socialists - they reject the established democratic system and denounce the existence of classes itself. To them a better society must be achieved through a radical change , brought by revolution.
Anarchists - broadly, a term for those who reject government and look towards the individual. Some anarchists believe in capitalism and wish to see a world of freedom of opportunity for everyone, unbound by the state and its meddlesome interventions in enterprise. Others believe in communism and seek absolute equality of outcomes, shared wealth, but also abolition of the state - rather than taking it over and establishing a communist order, man must not rule over man in the first place.
Cont
>>47007908
We share the same views. As a 19th century man, my views would be the abolishing of child labor at the least!
>>47007936
also OP here a good pdf on scientific progress:
http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1461932277184.pdf
it starts from 1850 to 1940
>>47007936
ah shit, we got radicalization going on now.
>>47007982
I didn't know child labor was a thing here. I think it would be best if that is just left out of this.
>>47008024
I guess it is! My name ain't lying because I jumped in on this thread. Wasn't part of the earlier ones.
>>47007893
We are a nation you might dislike the history of, to provide the highlight reel we have;
1)We have wiped out an entire city (The capital of the old-pajit nation) of one million, ignoring one thousand lucky survivors.
2)Wiped out an entire civilisation, the feens, whom were basically the mongols.
3)Wiped out another civilisation, the darkskin "kangdom", kind-of Africans but not their race.
4)Destroyed the aztecs, not their race or culture but we did completely destroy their population.
5)Wiped out multiple small island cultures
6)Are kind-of responsible for the mass-killing of the Aboriginals by another nation by giving them rights of colonisation.
7)Experimentation on humans in our early days for the expansion of human knowledge
8)The {REDACTED} order mentioned at the start of this thread.
9)Denied voting and representation to all races in our empire except the whites and recently the chinks.
Honestly that is missing some of the other things but yeah. By modern liberal standards we are worse than Rhodesia.
The colonies have also developed in a peculiar way.
Northern Eyerdar is bordered on all sides by other nations, along with being host to the pacharnati minority. It is a loyal region, dependent on our military's support.
Southern Eyerdar is well connected with the Kaichou and Veita economically and it is a peaceful and prosperous region, though the locals feel disconnected from Centerhold and the homeland.
Ocras is a land of prosperity and opportunity - our colonists there are uncontested and rich from the great natural resources that have been found. They've developed their own industries and are the fastest growing regon in both wealth and population. It is a peaceful continent and few troops are stationed there. What has disturbed the peace in recent years is organised crime! Armed gangs rob frontier settlers, plunder trains and hinder development.
>Population:77 000 000 (74% white, 12 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,3% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 900 000 Eyerdar 5 100 000 Veita 5 300 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47008077
Also I was one that came up the military plans most of the time, and the one million pajit city was because of me.
>>47008099
>L.Government and laws
Stop the organised crime.
>>47008077
Oh, I am fine with ALL of this!
>>47008099
>F.Improve Military
REMOVE CRIME(A)
Also will be useful when the anarcho-communist revolt comes to fuck us up
>>47008122
Agreed on L. If the organized crime is as of right now a band of thieves, it will grow larger and infiltrate our justice systems and eventually our government.
>>47008126
You sir, are a good liberally minded person. That was all true but was a test to see if you had the guts to agree to mass elimination of our enemies.
I look forward to working with you!
>>47008099
>L.Government and laws - Deal with the crime
>>47008077
we only killed half the Kafi and that was because of a suspected organization member who proposed the measure
>>47008077
Theres nothing wrong with the stuff youre talk about. You can't put modern morality on events from the past, let alone a fictional setting. Also there is a strong liberal force here. Multiple times people have voted to spare races we initially conquered such as the Kafi. Also when we voted for there the people saying spare them were probably samefagging since the vote count over doubled from usual.
>>47008099
G.
>>47008209
That is why i said we didn't destroy their race or culture. They are still around but we, more than, decimated their race.
reported for off-topic.
Guys for the next turn, I think I have a idea where the last spire may be.
The last spire could be in the arid lands of Veita that are still unexplored.
But for now we have bigger fish to fry.
>>47008236
Reported for faggotry
Seriously, we do no harm and were born and bred right here on /tg/ yet you see it as important to do this. You strange being.
>>47008240
Yeah exactly. I see two problems going from minor swelling to irritated lump and that is socio-radicalism and organized crime outside of our military's field of influence.
Troops and special forces have been deployed to Ocras and efforts will be made to eliminate the gangs.
The agenda presented to the Council today is on gun rights:
A.Restrict gun rights - civilians would require hunting licenses for the posession of some firearm types, background checks and such
B.Citizens who have completed their training in the militia are permitted to own small arms for hunting and self-defence
C.Any man without a criminal background may purchase firearms
>>47008099
C. we can unify and rally around our common culture and religion, this will keep us unified despite being so spread out.
>>47008260
B.Citizens who have completed their training in the militia are permitted to own small arms for hunting and self-defence
This assures they know how to use them, making accidents far less likely and I imagine that a mental test is needed to some degree to pass.
>>47008260
Definitely B. I would prefer if those who were strolling the streets with guns KNEW how to use them.
>>47008260
>B.Citizens who have completed their training in the militia are permitted to own small arms for hunting and self-defence
It's a good middle ground, guns are for adults with safety training and moral values.
>>47008209
I don't regret it at all.
11/10 would genocide traitors again.
>>47008236
>implying world-building civ games are off topic
>implying this is a quest
>implying this politics when we've been excluded from /pol/
>>47008251
>Seriously, we do no harm and were born and bred right here on /tg/ yet you see it as important to do this. You strange being.
actually the threads come from /pol/ anon where have you been all this time?
>>47008260
>C.Any man without a criminal background may purchase firearms
with a bit of option B they have to complete a weapons safety test and do so they know what their doing.
>>47008297
we didn't genocide them there was 2 million before the uprising and now there's about 1 million
>>47008260
>B.Citizens who have completed their training in the militia are permitted to own small arms for hunting and self-defence
Since most able body men, have been trained in the militia, most of the poplation would know and have a firearm.
>>47008260
B, training to use them well is a must.
>>47008260
Also buglar I also want normal lawabiding non milita citizens to have firearms, how about we add a weapon safety test, so citizens can choose to have firearms or not.
A good point to make is that every adult male is put through this training, so really no one misses out from the chance to own firearms, it is not something they have to go out of their way to do.
>>47008297
I mean that the type of game comes from /tg/, that whole "GM/CM" and "Quest/civ-game" thing. Not the actual game, as in this civ, itself.
>>47008315
>We only killed 1 million of a specific ethnic what do you mean it's not genocide.
I like the way you think centurion "1 million left"
Those citizens who have gone through militia training will be permitted to own and use firearms as civilians.
Gangs don't tend to mess with armed citizens as often as crime in the frontiers is gradually reduced.
>Population:78 000 000 (74% white, 12 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,3% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 900 000 Eyerdar 5 100 000 Veita 5 300 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47008400
A. i dont think we have found our original homeland, to the north and south poles!
>>47008400
J. Ocras is our largest and fastest growing community and needs to be overseen by a strong regional government.
>>47008400
>F.Improve Military
let's introduce automatic and semi-auto weapons
>>47008387
its not genocide if they survive and several times I advocated for the Kafi people before the uprising to
>>47008400
>A explore
>>47008400
C. We should have a strong religious presence and promote values of kinship.
>>47008419
I doubt our people are from the poles as they can't really support a good population nor are they anywhere near any of the major land masses. Raising the question of how we would end up at aymsland.
>>47008400
>G.Research science
We must be like the Germans, to space!
>>47008400
A
north
There are a few places on the planet that have not been fully explored. Where shall we go?
A.The Poles
B.Veita's arid interior
C.The oceans(islands)
D.Elsewhere
>>47008463
If we are to explore B. I do however think if we leave Ocras unchecked at the rate they are growing they will want to seek autonomy.
>>47008463
A. put our great flag at the poles!
>>47008463
B.Veita's arid interior
This is one of the few places we could have came from left. Here is hoping we get lucky...
>>47008463
>B.Veita's arid interior
A Spire could be here
>>47008463
>Veita's arid interior
the hunt for the spire continues
>>47008463
>B.Veita's arid interior
"1 more spire to blow and 1 million more kafi to go." right centurion?
Rolled 83 (1d100)
We haven't explored Veita's arid desert fully, so we shall outfit our rangers for a major mission.
>>47008543
what part of not wanting to genocide them did you not understand
>>47008604
Well lets see what the rangers found gentlemen
Hey guys we should be careful of Ocras. They are growing fast and sit on huge natural deposits, they may want to seek autonomy if they aren't properly overseen.
>>47008604
>83
dont let inky near this roll, he will just curse it.
>>47008604
>83
pls be spire , ruins, uranium mines or some kind of resources.
>>47008609
>what part of not wanting to genocide them did you not understand
the part where we killed 1 million and you don't recognize it as a genocide.
>>47008651
alright you have a point. Now what have we found in the desert.
We found no traces of any spires - after some dusty plains the ground gives way to a vast desert of sand. Eventually, traversing that desert leads man to the very center of the continent - the Valley of the Heart. In it lies a large lake that lets plants grow. Here most of the aboriginals of the continent have withdrawn, away from the foreign colonists. These aboriginals have grown distrustful of others and are always on guard - our rangers had to avoid contact for the most part.
The central lands are fertile and can be farmed and the mountains hold large amounts of mineral wealth. Petroleum deposits have been discovered near the lake as well, but the aboriginals guard these lands and do not wish to see others set foot, as they believe they are holy places, especially the island in the lake.
>Population:78 500 000 (74% white, 12 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,3% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 000 000 Eyerdar 5 200 000 Veita 5 400 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47008821
>K.Diplomacy and war
kill aboriginal scums, this land is too good for them.
>>47008821
K.
Perhaps a "relocation" is in order?
>>47008821
>>47008846
K. but should we go full on kaichou and remove abidigital?
>>47008821
>K.Diplomacy and war
Time to take back the land that is rightly our.
>>47008863
look at the file name
>>47008821
Explain others will come, others whom will kill them to a man while we merely wish to explore here. If they wish to live here then they may do so as a vassal of ours.
>>47008821
K lets take the valley of the heart
>>47008887
kekked heartily my friend, i guess its been decided, it was always decided.
>>47008821
K make vassal of the center of the valley
>>47008888
I actually agree with anon here. We should take a more diplomatic route.
>>47008926
We always go for the diplomatic route, but once they say no we'll go maching in.
>>47008821
G. Metal working and caterpillar tacks.
Also don't forget about those ruins in the eye of sand where we found the last spire. I have a theory that those ruins may have been our progenitors.
>>47008926
>>47008937
I'm with them
Our policy towards these darkskins has so far been one of non-involvement, but the kaichou don't really care that much - sooner or later they will conquer and enslave these primitives too.
Before that, we will be the ones to expand into the Valley, but by what method?
A.Conquer and subjugate these darkskins
B.Conquer the useful territory, get rid of the primitives - relocate or kill those who resist
C.Try to convince them to surrender to annexation
D.Try to convince them to become a vassal state(they aren't organised into a central government at present)
>>47008888
+1
he got quades
>>47008969
>C.Try to convince them to surrender to annexation
and if they even seem slightly against it at any point
>B.Conquer the useful territory, get rid of the primitives - relocate or kill those who resist
>>47008969
C or D, if we can show them what awaits them if others come they will agree.
>>47008969
>C.Try to convince them to surrender to annexation
If they don't accept conquer them.
>>47008969 I am this anon>>47008888 and i say;
C.Try to convince them to surrender to annexation
>>47008969
D.
Vassalization seems the most appropriate for this location. We offer them protection for resources.
>>47008969
C if they resist A
Rolled 83 (1d100)
We'll try to convince them to surrender themselves to annexation.
>>47009037
nice
>>47009037
another 83! this can work!
>>47009037
Two 83 in a roll, what is with this Civ thread and doubles.
One by one each tribe surrendered, mostly without a fight. We've added 120 000 darkskins to the population of our Veita colonies. The road to exploiting the natural resources of the continent's interior is now clear of human resistance, though the terrain is a big burden on travel.
>Population:80 000 000 (74% white, 12 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,3% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 230 000 Eyerdar 5 500 000 Veita 5 600 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47009074
dubs beget dubs, my dear inky.
>mfw I see us only getting good when you have "that feeling"
>>47009085
D. settle the newly aquired area and begin to poke around for resources.
>>47009085
lets develop our new territories get the land survey properly administrators in place and some military outposts
>>47009085
>G.Research science
we need new land vehicles to travel this land...
J.
Terrain is causing trade and mobility issues and we need to focus on opening up these natural resources and being able to easily transport them.
>>47009085
>J.Regional development
Improve our territories
>>47009085
I got my first quads during this thread, to commemorate, i wish to create a rail network on veita. Also to allow us to exploit these resources more effectively
>>47009085
>>D.Settle new lands
We've begun settling the interior of the continent. A railraod leading to the area's new capital, Heartvale, has been constructed, following the easiest possible route. We've introduced more advanced agricultural technology in the area and begun mining and drilling operations. These resources will fuel the growing industry in New Mikson, chief colony in Veita.
>Population:81 000 000 (74% white, 12 % chink,1% kafi, 1% hibibi, 2 % pajit, 2% darkskin,5% ramki,3% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 230 000 Eyerdar 5 800 000 Veita 5 600 000 Ocras
>Economy:8/10
>Food stockpiles:7/10
>Food production: 7/10
>Political Stability: 6/10
>A.Exploration
>B.Food production & Population growth
>C.Improve religion/culture
>D.Settle new lands
>E.Construction
>F.Improve Military
>G.Research science
>H.Improve Navy
>I.Improve economy
>J.Regional development
>K.Diplomacy and war
>L.Government and laws
>>47009287
>G.Research science
let's resume our industrial revolution
>>47009287
G. Tractors and tanks.
>>47009287
>>47009314
G. i agree, lets get our revolution moving along again.
>>47009314
G. We should make advances in chemistry.
>>47009287
G.Research science
Industrial revolution
Choose two areas
A.Military tech
B.Naval tech
C.Power
D.Chemistry
E.Mechanization
F.Electrical engineering
>>47009417
chemistry
>>47009417
>D.Chemistry
>F.Electrical engineering
>>47009340
yeah thing such as:
>photography and X-ray
>pasteurization
>fertilizer and pesticides such zyklon A
>mustard gas
>penicillin and other antibiotics
>medical advance such as basic surgery and blood or plasma transfusion
are things that may not be noticed but clearly needed for the next wars
>>47009417
D.Chemistry
F.Electrical engineering
>>47009417
C and D
we should look into the possibility of liquid based energy sources. A far-fetched idea but maybe we have it in the budget?
>>47009417
A and D
>>47009417
E.Mechanization
F.Electrical engineering
>>47009417
A and B
>>47009417
mechanization
>>47009450
if not possible then medicine and advances in medical devices.
>>47009417
A and F.
>>47009417
D.
E.
