Pathfinder General - /pfg/
Swarm Druid edition: STILL DOESN'T EXIST, I'M STILL MAD
How would you set scaling for a swarm companion, /pfg/? What kind of swarm would you like to control?
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>>46986555
It's 3.5, and druid's one of the few things that changed rather a lot in PF, so you might have to do some more work than normal converting it, but I like this one:
http://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/35324/4563
>>46986555
Wouldn't know the first thing about appropriate scaling, but I think I could have fun controlling a rat swarm (preying at night/stalking at night optional).
>>46986555
Swarms are the main antagonists in a campaign I'm playing in. They're hefty telepaths, have the fetchling 'template' and infest people (replacing parts of their central nervous systems, or replace the entire thing if they have the time/inclination)
So I can't really like them, as a matter of principle.
At one time, I tried my hand at making a divine prestige that got a swarm companion, but I never finished due to lack of ideas and laziness.
>>46986634 #
Zealot. Activating zeal with aid another is a move action. He sits there waiting for you to run out of summons. Then you can't really fight him, you're forced to flee.
>>46986465
>>46986468
>>46986476
>>46986515
Thanks, /tg/, you're helping.
> otherwise this character is going to just be a straight up burden on the party
This character should only heal. There will be buffs from other characters, and it shouldn't get too much spotlight. Well, it can take something interesting in support department, but not just +2 to AC or +1 to hit. Maybe something more clever, or not so obvious? If you have any ideas.
>>46986706
>Shouldn't get too much spotlight
Is this an NPC?
>>46986555
Alright youwonderful people, which of youloveliesarelooking forward to your weekend sessions?
>>46986706
> That pic
> "It's right there, isn't it? It's right above my goddamn head again, floating there with its fucking faggot face. It doesn't even have a face and I know it's making a fucking face at me."
Is it possible to get 2 familiars ever?
>>46986729
Most of the time - yes
Everyone I REQUIRE HELP. I have created part of a class I am writing for a homebrew. I need opinion on the features that are out so far.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKwyK10BvzqVb9M3lIJ0ZyraUNSuEr8y0QK6ML6d-6Y/edit?usp=sharing
To explain the feature Facility Expansion it goes as the following.
The Agent gains a facility they can both pack and unpack, while it is unpacked you are able to make use of a number of features. At it's base it just gives skills, but your Facility Expansions provide other bonuses ranging from at low level stored research notes to at high levels a cloning lab.
Both packing and unpacking your facility is something one must consider as for how long it will take. As well as transporting it.
I would love to have some
>>46986734
I have my last session of >>46986637 campaign finishing up this weekend.
My last character created a fairly successful organization, but ended up destroying the phylactery of a teammate, because he was a dick. That teammate became the controller of the worm swarm and invaded my organization.
Now the infected organization is descending on our new team (completely separate campaign, 1000 years later), as we team with the Dwarven Mechanists in their high-tech mountain home in a ritual with 8 artifacts to write the swarm out of reality.
Should have tons of references, and be a pretty tough fight. That organization is like 80% shadow-themed 15% undead themed and 5% demon themed.
>>46986734
oh god, me. I really can't wait. We stopped right at the beginning of combat because the GM's computer shat itself and we have a rule that you need 4 players present to play, and our 4th fell asleep. Fucking timezones.
>>46986734
>no session this weekend
>mfw I have to wait another week to let the rest of the party take the spotlight after I accidentally took over the last session
>no idea if we're going to try to do any makeup sessions for the half-dozen we've missed over the last few months
Good things come to those who wait, but I'm not very patient.
Ileosa did nothing wrong
She and Sabina will conquer Golarion
>>46986555
>>46986555
http://pastebin.com/5F8RNubX
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>>46986696
I've been informed that the google doc is outdated. That changes the way you go about things a bit. The wizard still aims to pin you down with summons while you fight them off, though. They remain invisible throughout as well, unless you have an item to see through such things. Then they can summon something with trip, preferrably. A bunch of Flying Giant Dire Wolves to trip you. Burn your move recovering and your standard getting up and getting AoO back down. Either way. You can switch stances to get out of the situation or attack from prone, if you have reach. It's gonna take you a while and a decent chunk of health, though. And Black Tentacles are still a possible cast, if the fight starts on the ground.
>>46986754
I believe any time you would get another familiar, you count as progressing the one you have, so no. I miiight be wrong, though.
>>46986919
I just remembered that there's actual good porn of Ileosa and Sabina. I wonder if the reprint will get Nesoun to return to PF 'art'...
>>46986982
>>46986754
IIRC, if you have 2 classes that grant familiars, their levels stack when determining its abilities, unless the familiar you take for one isn't available as a familiar for the other, in which case they're separate familiars with each of their abilities determined by your levels in the individual classes that grant them.
However,
> I miiight be wrong, though.
This.
>>46985558
Threadly reminder that Marc Radle is a whiny bitch and Paizo are tools for enabling him.
>>46986905
Why is she in a coffin?
>>46986982
I'm like 90% sure that's the case. It's better that way, honestly, because getting like six shitty familiars would be terrible.
>>46987003If I google "Illeosa and Sabina" am I likely to stumble upon this?
>>46987049
Because she was hiding.
>>46987049
Because smuggling chaika is hard work, and becausemy homunculus died last session.
How do I make the enemy concept of "slayer that pretends to be harmless background NPC, walks up to the most vulnerable PC, suddenly takes out a pair of short swords and goes to down with sneak attacks/death attack with his first strike" one that won't make people ragequit the game?
Is that possible? Do I just have to properly train them to be on the lookout for stuff like that? I realized how pointless Big Bad Monster fights are against pathfinder characters past the first couple levels so I wanna start using enemies that use strategy instead
>>46986754
>>46986982
I asked this the other day
the consensus was that the alchemists tumor familiar is the only one that doesn't mention it working like the wizard familiar, so you might be able to rules lawer it so you have alchemist + any other familiar class
>>46987126
>How do I instakill a PC from stealth without pissing off the player
I'm sorry, but that's really how this comes across, and it's a behavior that would frankly cause me to walk.
>>46987126
If they're good with disguise, start with the player's allies.
If the players know it's coming then they have no recourse to bitch if they didn't take precautions.
>>46987003
Nesoun does what Nesoun is commissioned, he's already done the main cast of women in Reign of Winter.
His Ameiko is adorable, though I want to see him do Trinia Sabor or Shayliss Vinder.
>>46987202
yeah that's what it sounds like, but at the same time you can keep look out for suspicious stuff right?
I'm not saying some guy is just gonna *teleports behind u* and stabs someone, obviously that'd be stupid. I just want something that involves a foe that fights more realistically than "walk up to nearest guy, attack endlessly" like in a videogame
>>46987206
I hadn't thought of this, this would be a good way to clue them into the idea of an assassin
Would you lads say it's possible to make a male Sun God without stepping on any of the roles of the other Golarion deities?
What are some domain/subdomain combinations you think are criminally absent in the major Golarion pantheon?
>>46987126
you can't
the idea of a GM making competition or challenges for the players to overcome instead of "the heroes just barely beat everyone so it looks dramatic but they're never in any actual real danger" like something from professional wrestling has been chipped away over decades
Players are heading to Nirvana next session on quest business.
What would be some cool, flavorful encounters or scenes or locations for them to see there?
>>46987294
>the idea of a GM making competition or challenges for the players to overcome instead of "the heroes just barely beat everyone so it looks dramatic but they're never in any actual real danger" like something from professional wrestling has been chipped away over decades
You must have a shitty group if it's that bad, anon. Not that I think >>46987126 is a good idea, but last campaign I ran had several PC deaths to random encounters and no-one bitched about it.
>>46987320
Is Nirvana different from Elysian Fields?
Would be pretty cool to encounter a circle of philosophers in a centuries-long debate.
>>46987281
But anon, there's already a male sun god! His light will drive out the Chelish devils and make Mwangi great again!There's several though, seriously. I don't see any reason why this is a niche that needs filling, unless you're going to start insisting there be a major deity of every gender for every other portfolio too.
Does the Vigilante (Brute) deserve Tier 7 as representing a latent risk to the party?
>>46987281
Sarenrae is a former empyreal lord, now deity of the sun
>>46987360
Elysium is the CG plane
Nirvana is the NG plane
in Pathfinder
(in D&D the NG plane was Elysium and the CG plane was Arborea!)
>>46987394
>Does the Vigilante (Brute) deserve Tier 7 as representing a latent risk to the party?
Yes. It's objectively below commoner.
>>46987389
>>46987394
Sarenrae is turbo-Arab and Walkena is Mwangi as fuck.
I'm just interested in a Gwyn/Sol Invictus type deal, hell PELOR does a better job of being a sun god than the sun gods in Golarion.
So I guess what I'm saying is my intentions are more for making something that seems European enough, and "historical" enough, to make sense. The Solar worship we got going on in Golarion is weird.
>>46987439
Why is Elysium Chaotic Good? The Elysian Fields were historically where basically everyone generic good went, not just the people who fought against authority.
>>46987281
>Would you lads say it's possible to make a male Sun God without stepping on any of the roles of the other Golarion deities?
Pelor, the Burning Hate, maybe?
>>46987394
>Does the Vigilante (Brute) deserve Tier 7 as representing a latent risk to the party?
I'm gonna have to say yes. it brings very little to the table and can become a detriment more often than solving problems.
>>46987488
Man, I don't know.
>>46987467
So you want a European sun god (aka must be male) rather than having a deity that works with Pathfinder's domain system?
The deities in Pathfinder aren't just personifications of aspects of nature (the very few that are would be TN), they have political agendas and varied focuses in their worship, because they're people, not early man's attempts to explain things they saw.
Not saying it couldn't be done, but why worship it? It's the sun, it's not going to cure your diseases or help with the bandits. Hell, it doesn't sound like it has an afterlife for you. Best you got is keep rising and don't stop shining on my crops. And there are deities FOCUSED on that.
How the fuck do I pull off Neutral Good Social, Chaotic Neutral Vigilante
>>46987060
depends on if you can make them all improved and give them wands for lulz. What the fuck is up with captcha and storefronts today?
>>46987488
They just needed a name for a positive afterlife. Heaven conjured ideas of paladins, orderly celestial legions and clean paved streets. Nirvana was perfect for the NG calm ponds and introspection, so what do you recommend as a replacement?
>>46987467
The 'Sarenrae belongs to Qadira' meme needs to stop. There's a major cult of Sarenrae there, yes, but that doesn't mean shit because she's a non-ascended deity who was never human and existed long before Qadira was even settled.
She's no more restricted to Qadira/Kelesh-style worshipers than Erastil is to being worshipped exclusively by peasants and farmers.
>>46987532
>Social
What kind of social?
You could be the generous philanthropist who spent their lives being the perfect kind gentleman, following etiquette and never drawing attention to yourself, desperately wanting to cut loose and run across some rooftops, doing what YOU want for a change, not what everyone else wants.
>>46987586
I'm pretty sure she has such a big following there because it's really sunny in the desert.
>If I lived on the coast, probably a big following for water gods there. Doesn't mean there's no water inland
>>46987260
I'd say something like a long betrayal. Why are these people attacking the party? Did they attempt to trick the party or are they just trying to kill them for funsies? Adventurers as many portray them are homicidal and easily provoked, so I'd think they would attempt poison or somesuch instead of actually attacking, if they were hired killers. I wouldn't go near a group of adventurers, desu. The poison angle will let them know somebody is after them. If it fails, they likely rolled well or had to use spells or skills to get out of dying. They'll be wary. I never suggest death effects, as players can get PISSED. I played in a group that fell apart over death effects.
>>46987488
Elysium, and the Island of the Blessed were meant to just represent a physical paradise.
You had drink and food without obligations to relax after a heroic life.
“For them [in Elysium] the sun shineth in his strength, in the world below, while here ‘tis night; and, in meadows red with roses, the space before their city is shaded by the incense-tree, and is laden with golden fruits. Some of them delight themselves with horses and with wrestling; others with draughts, and with lures; while beside them bloometh the fair flower of perfect bliss. And o’er that lovely land fragrance is ever shed, while they mingle all manner of incense with the far-shining fire on the altar of the gods."
"There round the Islands of the Blest (Nesoi Makaron), the winds of Okeanos play, and golden blossoms burn, some nursed upon the waters, others on land on glorious trees; and woven on their hands are wreaths enchained and flowering crowns"
No responsibilities, no direction, just bliss. It's not so much anti-authority as it is life without authority. It's the ideal hippie/hedonistic commune
>>46987600
Charcter is a Noble's son who got fucked over by ultimogeniture, entire noble house got fucked over and razed in turn because the Regent was greedy, now extremely jaded and forcing my rigid definition of "right" upon others
>>46987531
Feels like an awful waste that deities aren't seen as personifications of nature in Golarion, desu.
Oh wait, except there are deities in Vuldra that totally are, as well as many deities in Tian Xia (Shizuru is *literally* the sun, for example.)
I just don't get why no deity in Avistan has taken up that valuable real estate. You've got plenty of deities that value the sun but none that EMBODY the sun.
>>46987764
Be the good son, secretely bent on revenge for your own sake, not because he's bad, but because he was bad to YOU.
>>46987773
Maybe it would be weird to have a bunch of deities who consider another deity be so central to their own identity.
I mean, I'd ship it.
>>46987586
Except Sarenrae is displayed most prominently as Fem!Allah even when you find cults to her in the north.
Unless you're going to point me towards a depiction of Sarenrae as a Jesus figure?
>>46987773
Citation needed on Shizuru ever being literally the sun. She's a goddess like any other, the sun is a known entity that people can travel to and live on.
Yes! yes! more people are converting to the power of the Asurant Aegis / Barbarian.
>>46987849
How should I build him?
>>46987812
>The glorious Islamic figure
>Ever being depicted as the tyrannical Christianity
REEEEE
But really, Iomedae is the Jesus figure.
>>46987812
What is that even supposed to mean? Literally what does 'fem-Allah' even mean? Are you actually trying to say that the only way Sarenrae can NOT be an allegory for Islam is if she's one for Christianity instead?
You want alternative depictions of Sarenrae? Fucking Shensen is a Sarenrite. The fucking hipster slut bard maintains a giant shrine to Sarenrae under her house, about the person least resembling any kind of Islamic parallel that you could find. There's a tribe of CG orcs out in Belkzen who worship Sarenrae.
The caretaker of the Sandpoint Boneyard and cathedral is a deformed smuggler who found redemption through Sarenrae's religion, a blatant Hunchback of Notre Dame expy, which is as close to Christianity as you're going to get in a pantheistic fantasy setting.
>>46987910
>There's a tribe of CG orcs out in Belkzen who worship Sarenrae.
You had my interest, but now you have my attention.
>>46987910
Clearly this is meant to be a world where Islam has already conquered the hearts and minds of Avistan.
She's literally a brown-girl in Eastern garb with a weapon commonly associated with Arabia, she's about the most Islamic thing in the setting.
>>46988015
>A female being in charge of anything
>The most Islamic thing in the setting
>>46987910
She represents JJs 'secret' desire for Muslim BBC to be in all his holes, every hour of every day.
You're not helping your case.
>>46988040
Now-now, not every Allu-Snackbar hates women.
For example, the Tuareg people are big on their Queen-Momma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_Hinan
>>46987956
Here, knock yourself out.
>>46988015
>Shensen
>brown
I know the art is disgusting to look at, but she's clearly fair-skinned as fuck.
>>46987861
You can run regular aegis or aberrant, I think aberrant has better base customizations (hardened strikes & brawn)
For all the extra arms you need an aegis level of minimum 9 because it takes 12 points to get greater extra arms twice (and GEE requires level 8). It doesn't specifically say you can take extra arms twice, but it also doesn't say you cant.
Beyond that? Sky's the limit friend. Base aegis also allows for ranged attack (shooting a 1d8 'crystal' that could be refluffed).
Some of the stuff that Asura does is prettymuch DM fiat though.
With the rage powers I like elemental rage simply because its more dice tacked on to every hit
>>46988074
I think they meant Sarenrae, not Shensen.
>>46988040
The deity was made by hyper-liberal hipsters in the biggest ignorance bubble west of the Rockies.
It's not a stretch to imagine they're completely serious with what they did with Sarenrae, just like making Shensen have a big ole temple to Not!Islam in San Kintargo seems awfully progressive when you consider Cheliax is Evil White Men, the Empire.
>>46988074
He means Sarenrae. Who, yes, is a qt3.14 brown girl.
>>46988015
>She's literally a brown-girl
???
>>46988074
>CG Orc tribe
>Started and pioneered by a female Orc
I'm noticing a pattern in Paizp writing.
When's the last time we had a man take charge in something Good?
>>46988100
I thought Cheliax was ruled by a woman?
>>46988107
Anon, that's not brown at all, she's literally made out of fire...
>>46988116
>>46988074
I was talking about Sarenrae, who is extremely Arabic in basically every way.
Though I do remember Paizo saying that deities have different appearances depending on which culture is viewing them???
>>46988136
Leader of the Order of the Torrent.
Who isn't just a man, he's a god damn Sexual Tyrannosaurus rampaging through down town Cheliax.
If Neeson in Taken was said T-Rex.
>>46988145
>Sarenrae manifests as a bronze angelic beauty, with golden hair composed of flowing flame. From one hand emits a holy light which trickles down like liquid luminescence, whereas the other holds a scimitar emblazoned with radiant fire. Her holy light provides healing and sustenance, while the scimitar creates gusts of winds that remove disease and fear.
She's brown-skinned, guy.
>>46986734
Well...
The one campaign I actually really like has gotten canceled for the Nth week in a row. Between the GM's thesis defense, and the players' work/home schedules we haven't played since February. The GM is pretty good, the world is interesting, and my party members all act like adults, so I'm holding out hope that this one doesn't die out.
Got an evil campaign 1-2 shot tomorrow night. Don't know how it's gonna be, because online evil campaigns attract the worst of the edgy autists. Got my Elven serial killer prepped and ready to go, so if everything goes to shit I can spend time RPing as Ted Cruz.
Got the first session of a political intrigue type game on Sunday. All our characters are retainers/servants to this major noble family, so we drew starting backgrounds at random. I ended up accidentally making Battle Maid. GM has disappeared since last Sunday, so I'm not entirely sure it's gonna happen.
And in last night's game the GM pulled an "elf slave wat do." I wonder how long it's gonna take him to figure out my PC isn't into girls...
>>46988136
Do you want a set from the same damn book, or would you prefer to take your goalposts and go home?
>Located near Belkzen’s eastern border with Lastwall, the Gorum-worshiping Bloodied Gauntlets are locked in conflict with their human Gorumite counterparts. While the tribe’s fierce battles escalate quickly to shocking levels of violence and carnage, the presence of the Bloodied Gauntlets has proven to be an oddly stabilizing force in the area. More concerned with glory and the thrill of battle than cruelty and destruction, the Bloodied Gauntlets possess something their human brethren in faith might call honor. The obviously weak and helpless are ignored in favor of worthy opponents, and defeated foes are ransomed for steel. For the Bloodied Gauntlets, a worthy enemy is something to be cherished, not squandered.
>This peculiar relationship has led the orcs of this tribe to be oddly protective of their favored rivals. A few more monstrous tribes have been attacked for daring to encroach upon their battlefield. This conflict is partially driven by their half-orc chieftain, Aazhg (CN male half-orc cleric of Gorum 8), and his human brother, Aaren Gaulder (CG male human warpriestACG of Gorum 7). Born on opposite sides of the war, the brothers have set themselves against each other in a hot-blooded but hateless rivalry in the names of their shared father and god.
>>46988140
Well yeah, can't have a man doing that.
Even her male devil bodyguard is described as incompetent, so incompetent Asmodeus had to give her a female Erinyes instructor who has been doing a fantastic job at training the young woman.
It just seems like a massive in-joke on Paizo's part, like having the head of the Nazi Party turn out to be a Jew, or the leader of the Ku Klux Klan is a black woman.
>>46988178
Isn't he gay?
Gay people count as women to Paizo, while lesbian women are double women (hence why they're the focus of so many APs.)
>>46988182
Bronze, not bronze-skinned. Bronze as in the metal. With hair made of gold and fire. Because she is a god, not a fleshy being.
>>46988245
She's also got the whole scimitar thing going on, senpai.
>>46988245
If you want to be that autistic about it, go ahead. The implication is 100% clear.
>>46988222
>>46988244
>Paizo only cares about women
>well, that's an evil woman, but she doesn't count because her advisor's male, so clearly they meant for the sheeple to attribute all of her evil to him!
>well, that's a good man, but he's probably gay or something which makes him basically a woman!
He's not, by the by. The gay guy in that book is the LN Chelish naval captain.
>>46986734
>mfw no weekend session
>mfw no session until late May at the earliest>mfw upcoming campaign is the highlight of my life and all the cool stuff I ever did was when I was a kid so it doesn't even matter that I did it>mfw my futile existence has no meaning
>>46988301
PoW question
About what ratio of Counters, Strikes, and Boosts is advisable for your standard Initiator?
>>46988301
Sorry, >>46988357
Didn't mean to quote you
>>46988357
I tend to find that a 50/50 split works best for me, with strikes as one 50, and the other side being a mix of counters and boosts. More counters if I want a defensive character, more boosts if I want an offensive one.
>>46988357
Depends on how you plan to play, but generally a safe bet would be 1/2/1 for counters/strikes/boosts.
Warlords and harbingers generally want more in the strike department, since their recovery is gated by swift, while warder obviously makes better use of counters, but as a general rule, that should keep you fairly comfortable.
So what's the most durable sword n board martial available, Warder?
Where's the best place to play kingmaker?
I've never had the chance to play nation building and the DM is taking suggestions after his last group fell through.
>>46980094
>>46980298
Thanks for the feedback, this is the kind of stuff I've been trying to get from people.
>>46980094
Do you have any particular things you're not sure about with the discipline, or could you go more in detail about it? I'm still trying to work on it so any more details would be great.
>>46988437
Warder's a strong contender, but i'd also argue possibly Paladin, in terms of sheer durability. Cha to saves and swift action healing are pretty strong, and you can pick up some Iron Tortoise tricks through Knight Disciple if you really want counters.
>>46988245
>>46988182
She's probably just tan. The sun goddess isn't going to be using sunblock, and is immune to skin cancer.
>Naked Sarenrae, basking in the radiance of her element
why are all vigilante archetypes shit
>>46988382
>>46988385
Are Strikes really that important and useful? I mean, as a Martial you should already be good on the damage and hitting front, it an I severely underestimating how potent Strikes are?
>>46988357
>>46988382
I generally try to have two big strikes and boosts, then a handful of other assorted toys.
I figure that most shit isn't going to last much longer than 2-3 rounds against folks using PoW, but it also means I'll actually end up using my recoveries in combat sometimes, and I actually like having to.
>>46988484
The caster ones aren't super terrible. It's just shit like the Brute that is REALLY bad.
>>46988484
The only shit ones are Brute and Gunmaster. The rest are tier-equivalent or tier-boosts, so I've no clue what you're on about.
>>46988484
They're not all shit. Most are better than base vigilante.
>>46988508
Strikes are potent and often have condition effects.
>>46987003
What ever happened to that one picture that was supposed to be the follow-up to this one, with Imrijka fucking the chick?
>>46988521
>Psychometrist
>Zealot
>Cabalist
>tier-equivilent
>tier boosts
kek
>>46988460
>>46980298
I'm going to go point by point for this one.
>I don't /really/ like the new resource you've attempted to implement... and I think you're focused way too much on shoto's and their moves.
Any suggestions for how to help move that focus around a bit more then? Like I said above, still trying to tweak and fix things.
>You're greatly missing out on attempts to stun enemies, which is a large portion of how street fightan werks. Add a boost or two that gives a chance to stun, with it's DC increased by number of hits in a combo.
Interesting idea, I'll look into where it fits in. I'm just very wary of stunning since denying an entire turn is pretty powerful, particularly for something you can do with a full attack potentially every other round.
>Other problem is that because your maneuvers are intended to be chained, you can easily expend all readied manuevers in just a single turn.
I'm going to be honest, that was kind of part of the idea. Could you go into more detail on why that's a bigger issue?
>light/medium/heavy strike
What would you suggest for that then? They're supposed to be there as your basic combo builders that are always available, so are they just too boring or something...?
>Some of your higher tier 'manuevers' are still just basic punches and kicks when they should be shit like the kongou kokuretsu zan or shun goku satsu.
KKZ is an Amulet of Quaking Strikes or is a maneuver from a normal PoW discipline where you make the standard action to do the thing. Nothing wrong with that, I was just trying to make something that... I guess made you feel more skillful while playing it? Like you're building a combo out of your maneuver list instead of just "casting" maneuvers.
I also guess I could try improving Shadow Step Flurry, which was supposed to be an homage to SGS.
>>46988542
The picture was posted, it was okay, we moved on.
Last night, someone mentioned a boarkin skinwalker wildsoul (spider) vigilante, and after I mentioned it to my GM, he desperately wants me to play it, but I have no idea how to build it. halp?
>>46988542
I thought Imrijka had a thing with Valeros.
>>46988565
The finished version was posted? Oh well.
>>46988546
>adding six levels of casting onto a pure martial isn't a tier-boost
>adding a pile of self-sufficiency buffs and utility powers onto a pure martial, in exchange for a whole four talent slots, isn't a tier-boost
>>46988586
Does Valeros look like a particularly butch woman in that image to anybody else?
>>46988613
No, he looks like a particularly feminine man, which is very different.
>>46988613
He kind of does, which is weird since he doesn't look like that in most of the other pictures of him.
>>46986555
Did anyone ever homebrew up a PoW Antipaladin archetype?
Okay, I threw together a Tiefling Ravenlord who's attempting to focus on Cursed Razor and Fool's Errand (mostly CR at this level). What do you think, /pfg/?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ye5jOde7F6K9RjVuplsRNIwBP_rdgCf0vlW1pQNTVGY/edit?usp=sharing
>>46988609
>Not going for a badass normal vigilante who doesn't need fucking magic or divine intervention to kick ass
I bet you play Kendar too
>>46988650
If you're going to have a woman hitting on a man, might as well make the man look like a woman.
It's more progressive that way.
>>46988508
>>Being a Magical Girl
>>Shit
This is the kind of thing fetishes are made of, anon. What more can you want? Oh? Good mechanics? Oh, uh... I dunno about those.
>>46988508
strikes are pretty potent, and work well with Furious Focus if you're in one of the "hit this thing really fucking hard once" disciplines. The effects are also very nice. Slowing and dealing damage is a wonderful thing, anon.
>>46988508
Strikes are VERY useful, allowing you to contribute in turns that you have to move. Additionally, Boosts and Counters share the same action type: If you countered in the previous round, you can't boost in the current one. But you can nearly always use a strike. That's why I try for that balance. Counters/Boosts tend to get upgraded first, and utility strikes tend to get some priority (things like Shadow Feather Strike on an otherwise melee-focused character, for example)
>>46988844
Wrong quite there friendo
>>46988897
There are also the strikes that hit in interesting ways, like Circle of Razor Feathers for that aoe affect. Black Seraph Style feats with Cornugon Smash also let you boost your profane damage by half if you ace the intimidate, which is nice on a Discordant Crusader
So trying to work out how I'd set up an Awakened Dog as a PC.
Monstrous PC rules apply, right? Except how do I work those with a 1/3CR?
And then the whole awakened effect, would that change how it works by Monstrous PC rules, or would you normally just subtract the cost of the spell (and the cost of an NPC casting it)?
I'm sure I can work out something more straightforward with my GM tomorrow, but I am curious about how monstrous PC rules are supposed to work with fractional CRs
>>46988977
>Monstrous PC rules apply, right?
Not really. They only work with high (2+) CR creatures.
As for a dog, just rebuild it in the race builder, assuming 2-3 RP cost for the type and then build it like you would build any normal character, no cost substraction. That's how I'd go with it.
>>46986919
>Ileosa conquering Golarion
>not Elvanna, apparently powerful enough to surprise Baba Yaga
>or Xanderghul, greatest of the Runelords
>or Unity, an invincible mind-controlling machine god
>or Deskari, a literal Demon Lord with an army that the combined forces of most of Avistan can't beat yet
>or Tar-Baphon, archnemesis to the late God of Mankind and most powerful Lich in existence
>>46989071
>>46988977
A bit of a fix:
The creature type of an awakened animal is magical beast (but no stat alteration from regular animal). It's roughly equivalent to outsider in what you get (not affected by dominate/hold person and similar spells), except you don't get darkvision included in outsider type (2RP)
>>46988564
The problem isn't so much with the resource itself, its with how it's generated because overall you're kind of setting it up to be this discipline that burns like all of its manuevers in a single turn. I'd change it to something like "every time you successfully perform a maneuver, you gain [combo] equal to the level of manuever performed" maybe with some caveat for multiple strikes and then set the duration that it lasts.
>Could you go into more detail on why that's a bigger issue?
In general, your moves feel dramatically underpowered for what maneuvers *should* be, and with your design of chaining them together you run into problems of action economy / maneuver economy. For example it would be completely reasonable to have the shun goku satsu or the kongou kokuretsu zan as 6th-7th level manuevers, but with what you've got you're still just throwing punches and kicks.
>What would you suggest for that then? They're supposed to be there as your basic combo builders that are always available, so are they just too boring or something...?
Partially that they're boring, partially that initiators should be ditching / training out of lower level maneuvers as they gain access to higher ones.
The way I'd do it, is performing manuevers gains you combo = to maneuver level * number of successful hits (for multiple attack manuevers). Combo is used to enhance boosts, or it has special interactions with stances. Lower level manuevers are *supposed* to be replaced with higher level maneuvers, so instead of focusing on chaining them together (which could be okay for say - counters) focus on making each strike / counter / boost special in its own regard.
As you progress upwards in level, your manuevers should be more of the special shit and less punches & kicks - I mean, shit I'd only consider akuma to be maybe a 10-11th level character in his own universe, which would put him at around level 5 - 6 manuevers. Oni would be something I'd consider to be around 15th level.
>>46989107
>>46989071
>>46988977
Fuck, I'm clumsy, forgot to add the last and most important line in the fix post:
>Therefore, the type cost would be 1RP rather than 2 or 3.
>>46988565
I'd like to see it re-posted
Is it normal to be the least socially-adept and -connected person in your group AND the one forced to be the only one making any effort to getting people together to play the fucking games they all want to play? Why does this happen?
>>46989116
Hell maybe even have [combo] have some further interaction with strikes and counters, so that you can do a [full attack] maneuver to build combo, then next turn use a boost to demon-flip in and unleash a KKZ (than instead of it being a 5ft burst it becomes a 10-15ft burst).
>>46989186
>fighter_trying_to_get_nice_things.jpg
>>46989243
>fighter_collecting_his_class_features_from_new_supplement.jpg
The martial classes should just have blade arts off the bat
>>46989186
Kinda struggling with the same thing.
I'm not bad at social things, it's just that other people are painfully shit at taking the initiative and scheduling.
>>46989243
>>46989274
>swashbuckler_trying_to_use_his_swifts.jpg
What's he thinking about, /pfg/?
>>46989071
>>46989107
>>46989124
Ah, thanks! I had been considering just going the custom race route, but GM had initially said "core only" so I was wondering if I was able to actually pull it off within that restriction. Should be fine if I ask though, since he wanted that to prevent powergaming shenanigans, and being a dog isn't really any big boost.
Wouldn't have known how to price the type though. Thanks again!
>>46989386
I've once built a red panda in the race builder this way for an adorable kung fu monk type character.
>>46989283
>>46989354
sucking dragon dicks
>>46989415
>Monk
>Not an Intimidation-build Dread or Antipaladin
Missed opportunity, Anon.
>>46989354
>>46989455
>can't get enough of that dragon worship
>>46989559
I always chuckle at that picture.
>>46989746
Funny, I hate it!
>>46990009
Way to be uptight, you're such a blow-hard.
Heh.
Do you think acting like that would make them some sort of Bad Dragon?
>>46986555
>tfw you've been hunting for a PoW/Psionics friendly game for over a year ever since you found out about it
>tfw you've never had any luck
>tfw seeing people in /pfg/ talk about their experiences with it
P-Please do it more so I can at least vicariously experience it
>>46990169
Acting like what?
Of all the dragons I've always figured Silvers were the most likely to screw around with Humans, considering they get Change Shape as an at-will right out of the egg, have a portfolio of righteousness and doing good through example, and actually hiding out among humans to learn and study.
Truly, silver-haired husbandos and waifus are best.
welp, diablo 3 season six starts in like a minute, so I'll see you guys in like... 8 hours or so.
Cant find the image I want, so have a yojimbo
>>46990239
Don't you have friends who trust you to play with? That's how I'm able to do it
>>46990316
Bad Dragon is a dragon dildo company
Though yes, I agree, Silvers are best.
>>46990348
Not playing the far superior game that is Path of Exile, why are you doing this?
How do I beam spam without spells, /pfg/?
I know PsyArm is an option, but I'm looking for something a little more int-focused. Living Legend is cool, but I'm not sure I'm sold on the medium aspect of it.
>>46990316
>>46990356
>yfw none of the Chromatics get shape-changing
>the young Blue the Silver adopted as an egg will never be able to change shape like his 'mom'
>>46990350
Nope.
>>46990472
Still be able to fly together, though. I'd bet a chunk of my hoard that the silver would pay out for a scroll of polymorph for holidays.
Seems like a new crowd at this hour, so... I rolled an 18, 16, 16 ,15 ,15,11, We're playing Hells rebels, There's a magical girl vigilante in the party, and I want to do something fun with my roll.
Your thoughts?
>>46990706
>rolled
>rolling for stats
>2016
What the fuck, anon.
Why would anyone ever roll for stats?
>>46990706
>magical girl vigilante
I'm so sorry for them.
>>46990686
>Still be able to fly together, though. I'd bet a chunk of my hoard that the silver would pay out for a scroll of polymorph for holidays.
Or a cute little necklace of at-will polymorph.
>>46990740
Because roll 4 drop 1 out of order got me an effective 52 point buy. For an otherwise 20 pb ap.
>>46990791
How is that a good thing? Being broken isn't fun, anon.
>>46990628
Well then, find some friends. That's what I did
>>46990753
Because he's that much of an autist, or because we have to suffer mahou shoujo kawaii desu?
>>46990837
No, because it's an awful class that doesn't do the magical girl thing right at all. Fuck you, go 3PP with PoW/Psionics and let him play a real class that'd help him a hell of a lot more, like Aegis.
How exactly is arcanist not the best arcane caster?
>Arcanist Perks
>Has the best parts of wizard spellcasting and sorcerer spellcasting (outside of not having quite as many spells per day as a sorcerer does
>Because of arcane resevoir buff effectively casts every single spell that combines with a free action 1/2 levels higher than a wizard or sorcerer of the same level could
>Arcane exploits are ridiculous, giving you access to more or less every low/mid level blasting and utility effect you could want, any as well as crazier things like the ability to temporarily negate spells, the ability to extend or decrease the length of spells, the ability to swap any prepared spell with something from your book (meaning you don't need to use demiplane bullshit to batman wizard) and NATURAL SPELL FOR ARCANE CASTERS
>Since arcane exploits run on arcane pool you can basically use them forever because all of these abilities use 1 point and spell slots/consumable magic items refil the pool equal to the spell level
>In particular you can craft your own magic items and then eat them another day for huge amounts of arcane pool meaning you can exclusively save your actual spell slots for the really big or situational spells and use arcane exploits for all the minor stuff
>Actually has a capestone (and a pretty amazing one where you get to convert arcane resevoir into spell slots AND cast it with buffed effects, because this class didn't have enough versatility?)
>Has UMD as a class skill slightly better weapon proficiency, not that it matters
my post is too big so I gotta make a part 2
>>46990822
I have plenty, it's just that none of them play tabletop, and I really don't want to invest years of time into somebody just because I want to play a game. Seems a bit roundabout, you know?
>>46990891
>Wizard perks
>Gets new spell slots a level earlier (however the very next level the arcanist can cast as many spells in that slot as a wizard can so the wizard only briefly gets ahead. also I'd once again like to mention that an arcanist will cast spells 1/2 levels higher than a wizard of the same level will due to arcane reservoir)
>If they specialize gets one more cast per day (but arcanists don't need to cast as many spells per day because they can just use arcane exploit powers instead)
>Can get higher tier school powers for how little that matters
>Arcane discoveries may be wizard exclusive but that wouldn't really make any sense
>Is slightly less MAD I guess because all the arcane exploits that work like spells are based on charisma. However CHA doesn't effect your arcane reservoir so you can just take all the really busted passive abilities and use the pool exclusively to buff your casting
A maxim I remember about 3.5 was that any round where the wizard is casting a spell on the cleric list, he's a sucker. I get that feeling about these two classes. There's a couple specific levels/situations where the wizard can do something the arcanist can't, but the majority of the time the arcanist will just do it better or more effectively so the wizard is the sucker more often than the reverse.
>>46990811
Yap yap. I rolled once, and I got a lucky set. Fun is what you make of it.
I considered going for something gamebreaking, but I want something weird instead, a concept that doesn't quite work without the higher stats.
That or I am going to play Stalin and purge the city of all the undesirables. Probably with fire.
>>46990926
Muscle Wizard anon. You can make it happen.
>>46990926
Take it from somebody who ran a 52PB game:
You're just gonna have things get absolutely crazy to keep up with them.
>>46990862
DM insists on no third party and no synthesists
>>46990914
EXPLOITER
WIZARD
>>46990956
Flee. Your DM is a retard.
>>46990956
Why single out that one archetype to ban for being bad but leave shit like Pack Mule alone?
>>46990950
The rest of the group is somewhat used to gimmicy gamebreaking characters, We have a WotR campaign that was absurd before we got to first tier.
I remember that there was a trait/race trait that let you cast any cantrip, somewhat related to genies, but i can't find it anymore. Anyone has any ideas what i'm talking about?
>>46990971
you get half as many exploits and give up arcane bond
you don't get any of the sorcerer perks arcanists get or the ability to feed your arcane pool with spells (instead you have to spend one of your much more limited amount of exploits on the ability to eat items)
also that's just a fucking stupid archetype idea, they might as well just make a wizard that can cast spells from a domain. I'm talking about arcanist vs wizard. not arcanist vs wizard with a stupid archetype
>>46990973
Eh, its more of a group rule, most of us have gone a round or two as GM. This game will be ongoing campaign #4
>>46991063
You're a fucking retard and should off yourself. That was clear when you said >>46990837 now it's just insulting.
>>46986555
>What kind of swarm would you like to control?
Grey goo.
Play a warforged druid named Gort.
Alternatively, play a warforged druid named Gort who can shape shift into a grey goo swarm.
>>46990971
>>46991058
arcanist has archetypes that gives up the same general stuff exploiter wizard does or less in order to get wizard school specialization benefits or sorcerer bloodline powers or other stupid shit
it's still a better class
>>46991016
Eh, one player did something asinine, and everyone gets punished.
>just saw Cap Civil War
>tfw want to play a badass, useful character who flips over the place, disarms, grapples, and kicks people into unconsciousness like Cap
Is there anything close to this? I was thinking one of the PoW classes with iron turtle and broken blade disciplines, perhaps with a dabbling of monk. Horribly suboptimal though.
>>46991140
Fool's Errand and Iron Tortoise. Gets you a bunch of counters, shield bashes, punching and kicking while shield bashing, mobility, and then disarm shit and repositions.
>>46991140
Shield Champion Brawler is literally "When Ranked Officer of Nonspecific Nationality Throws His/Her Mighty Shield the Archetype". But I'm sure you can do something cool with Warder and >>46991194.
Is it dirty cheating to craft custom wondrous items that duplicate existing rings, but in a different slot?
>>46991140
Steelfist Commando my friend. Then just stack on the Grapple feats like Throat Slicer and the like
>>46990862
As a tangent, I was browsing the 3pp stuff and it looks like their's a magical girl class that actually tries to get the concept right. It's a 6 level spell caster that that has a rage-ques transformation mechanic and a fishing move that gets better the longer you wait to use it.
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/180605/Gonzo-2
>>46991140
Do it. We just had to reroll characters for tomorrow due to a change in character creation guidelines from the GM. Buddy is playing Captain Merka, I'm playing Tony Shark.
>>46991073
Mmmm its a privilege to know that you feel insulted anon. please, tell me more about your feeeeeeeelings.
>>46991288
YOU!
Tell me more about this spider-ham...
>>46991288
Please tell me you've got construct armour. I wish my wizard could afford that but sadly it was not to be.
>>46991236
Hmm, is grappling even slightly viable though? Higher level monsters have ridiculous CMD scores so you're basically screwed.
>>46991360
Vigilante with the Wild Souls archetype, choose Spider for that Shoot Web. Play a Wereboar-kin Skinwalker and just apply modifiers for being small since it's allowed with Skinwalkers.
>>46991042
You mean something like these?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/magical-talent
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/two-world-magic
>>46991445
No, i distinctly remember being something related to genies of some kind and to being able to use a cantrip in response to a spoken 'wish' you heard.
>>46991484
It's an Ifrit sorceror archetype
>>46991042
>>46991484
It's a geniekin trait, runs off of their SLAs.
>http://www.archivesofnethys.com/TraitDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Minor%20Wishcraft
>>46991484
Minor Wishcraft. Lets you trade a use of a racial SLA to grant a "wish" with a cantrip. Pick a race with an At-Will SLA and grab it via Adopted, and you can use it whenever you like.
>>46991383
Unfortunately no Construct Armor since we're level four. I'm working with an "Iron Man as a shark" theme, playing as a Wereshark-kin Skinwalker (Mainly due to pic related which I ordered for something completely different). So I went with awater kineticist. I'm just looking forward to "flying" at level 6 by just laying on the ground and using the waterdancer wild talent to basically slip n' slide around.
>>46991522
>It's a geniekin trait, runs off of their SLAs.
>>46991556
>Minor Wishcraft. Lets you trade a use of a racial SLA to grant a "wish" with a cantrip. Pick a race with an At-Will SLA and grab it via Adopted, and you can use it whenever you like.
This is it! Thank you.
>>46991563
Forgot pic.
How do you feel about cross-race relationships in your games? Especially if its the players doing it.
>>46991042
>>46991516
It's in Inner Sea Races, Minor Wishcraft. You spend a use of your SLA to use any cantrip, knack, or orison that would be the effect of a humanoid within 30 feet's verbal desires.
The trick is to be an Aasimar or a Tiefling, either one with the Scion of Humanity alt trait. You also need either Halo (Aasimar) or Soul Seer (Tiefling), as well as the Adopted trait. Boom, you can now use any arcane cantrip, divine orison, or psychic knack you want as long as you ask for it aloud.
>>46990470
There's actually an Aegis archetype that allows for that. Crystal Warriors get what amounts to a turret that follows them around. Doesn't turn on for a while, though.
>>46991600
My players got married and had kids together in game. half-drow babies
>>46991600
>relationships with drow
On a scale of whipped to dominate-person-d, how fucked is that guy?
>>46991600
Elf/Human doesn't even really feel like inerracial.
Half-elves are even almost as common as actual elves by lore due to elven women being frisky with humans a bit too often,which suggests that elven males are massive cucks, infinitely inferior to glorious humans.
>>46990706
is 3pp allowed? Are all Paizo classes allowed?
>>46991654
They're just as effeminate and cockthirsty as the female elves, that's their problem. Elves practically don't breed unless the females rape the males.
>>46990971
>>46991119
Actually let me lay this out
>Exploiter Wizard
>Gives up arcane bond for arcane reservoir. You can just take the one exploit that gives you arcane bond but arcanist already does the same thing so you haven't actually made any advantage over arcanist here. Also you don't have the ability to convert spells into reservoir points
>Gives up arcane school and all benefits related to that (powers/extra specialist slots) in order for five arcane exploits (compared to the 10 arcanists get). Note that you don't get advanced exploits, just the basic ones (I forgot to go over advanced exploits earlier but some of the choice ones let you choose a metamagic feat to know for the day, the ability to replace enchantments on weapons or armor with any equivalent ability and the ability to steal magic effects with a touch.plus a bunch of "regular exploit but improved" ones that tend to give you arcane reservoir making it even more bottomless than it already was)
You give up literally every advantage you have over arcanist besides slightly earlier access to spells in order to do a bunch of the things arcanist can do as a baseline but worse or with the same amount of investment. How exactly is this better?
Have to split my post into two again
>>46990956
Play a stupid martial of some variety. Maybe Mutagenic Mauler Steel-Breaker Brawler, or Captain America Brawler. If you wanna be pro, be a druid. Those are good stats for a shapechanger with casting.
>>46991728
>>46990971
Lets check out ARCANIST archetypes
>Get an extra spell slot per level and a gimmicky ability to boost spell/arcanist exploits in exchange for one less PREPARED spell per day (totally meaningless) and three exploits
>Get the full effects of any sorcerer bloodline besides spells for five exploits (which means you can style on exploiter wizard even more by taking arcane bloodline to get arcane bond + a bunch of other stuff and still have JUST AS MANY exploits as exploiter wizard does)
>You can invalidate wizards even more with another archetype that gives you ALL THE BENEFITS OF SCHOOL SPECIALIZATION (powers + extra spell per day) for only thee exploits.
>Use arcane pool to cast spells from the druid and good cleric lists, and get spell mastery, in exchange for five exploits.
>Receive the summoners summon SLA only it uses arcane pool instead so you can do it more often for only two exploits)
So again I ask, how is arcanist worse?
>>46990470
Blaster Armorist.
>>46991654
Yeah, let's chalk it up to HFY cuckolding fantasies, not anything silly like half-elves maturing 5.5x faster than pureblood elves and thus being able to outbreed their elven parents like crazy.
>>46991761
>yfw people always forget Half-Elves can breed true on Golarion
>>46991654
It barely is. Human x Elf is like British x Scottish. Yeah they're notably different, but not to an important degree, as much as people will hit you for saying so.
>>46991209
Can one enhance a shield as a weapon? I can't seem to figure it out. I'm likely just incredibly stupid, but it would be nice to get an explanation.
>>46991824
Spiked shield. Enhance the spikes.
>>46991360
that was lovely. Stay classy, anon.
>>46991749
I've heard iffy things about spheres, and especially the destruction sphere, how does it chalk up?
>>46991627
Our games are usually gestalt, so I always plan out builds under those circumstances. In this case the other half would be exactly that! Although the turret seems somewhat underwhelming.
>>46991744
You are typing an awful lot for an issue that comes down to being a full spell level behind a wizard half of the time, which is gigantic and not made up for at all by any class features from either class. 2nd level spells are worlds better than 1st level spells. 3rd level spells are worlds better than 2nd level spells. 4th level spells (and +3 metamagics) are worlds better than 3rd level spells. It keeps going, and is a MASSIVE deal because of how much time you spend being a certain level.
>>46991600
It happens now and again, sometimes with NPCs, sometimes between players.I'm guilty of the former-human x winter wolf 5eva.
>>46991383
depending on how you build it. Getting YUGE isn't beyond you, but you'll constantly be YUGE, so it'll feel less like you're a normal-looking badass and more like you're a giant. Half-Giants get to grapple like Large creatures, which can be hella-helpful. With an Enlarge Person, you're grappling like a YUGE creature. Gauntlets of Grappling and Anaconda's Coils and grapple feats will help you fill up your CMB nicely. Note that if you get Anaconda's Coils, you qualify for Final Embrace, which gives grab, which gives a +4 to grapple checks. Just pray the enemy doesn't have Freedom of Movement, or grab some other maneuvers, like a reasonable player.
>>46991833
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I thought something said I couldn't for some reason. Might have been a dream. Weird.
>>46991876
Third level spells are better than second level spells, but for that one level where wizard has it and arcanist doesn't the wizard only gets to cast that third level spell an average of two times. Once the wizard has casted those two spells the wizard gets fuck all while the arcanist gets more and more powerful versions of every single other spell the wizard can cast as well as a bunch of busted arcane exploit powers
Assuming you actually play pathfinder and not the "the wizard does one encounter per day and then takes a nap for 23 hours" vaccum that people like to pretend they play wizard in, those couple higher level spells are an advantage that goes away really fast.
>>46991600
I have no problem with it. They're both sentient, consenting creatures. If they can breed, that's cool. If they can't produce offspring, that's cool too.
>>46991761
HFY cuckolding is fun, though.It's also essentially how we run humans/elves in our games.
>>46991600
>>46991992
I will say it can get a bit more strange when the races have drastically different lifespans, but as long as they are adults for their race, whatevs. If players are being strangely fetish-y about it, then they can take it to another room. I'm fine with ERP if all players are, but not in the middle of adventure time, damnit.
>>46986555
>not using the new pastebin
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
http://pastebin.com/5F8RNubX
Here it is, complete with a link to the new Fool's Errand as well as a few new homebrews from our fellow resident autists.
Please use this instead for next thread.
>>46991383
Grappling is the most viable combat maneuver along with Dirty Trick, and it's usually more powerful in combat than the latter.
>>46992137
>>46986942
Now it's twice!
>>46992148
I tend to find it lacking before level 6, when you can make two checks to maintain. It also opens the grappler up to attacks from the side, which can be painful. If the party is equipped to take advantage of enemies being held down, it's a wonderful maneuver, but it seems not all that great when facing too many enemies. *Dracula Voice* The same could be said of all combat maneuvers, though.
>>46992248
>*Dracula Voice*
>>46992248
True, although this was asking about viability at higher levels. Trip, Bull Rush, Overrun, Drag, and Reposition straight up don't function at higher levels when you fight big monsters all the time, and Sunder, Steal, and Disarm only work against an incredibly small number of creatures in the entire bestiary. That leaves only Dirty Trick and Grapple as viable maneuvers at most levels.
>>46992337
All I could think of when typing that was Castlevania. I apologize.
>>46992344
Yeah, as far as the number of things it works on, I'd say grapple is high up there. Though, teleportation and rings of FoM will dick you horribly, so getting some kind of item of dimensional anchor to keep teleporters down and having a way to handle FoM are musts.
>>46987202
This is correct.
>>46991600
My group seems pretty much fine with it, and it's led to some cute couples. You can learn a lot about your fellow players by their taste in waifu/husbandos. A kitsune I played wound up paired off with another player's tiefling, probably me and the other player's favorite pair of characters. Though I later found out that part of the reason the OTHER player liked them so much is that my kitsunenailed like, six of their fetishes.
>>46991654
>which suggests that elven males are massive cucks, infinitely inferior to glorious humans.
Or human women love the suave Elven dick?
Why are you assuming it's BIG HUMAN COCKS vs. TIGHT ELVEN PUSSIES?
>>46991852
Gonna be honest, you got the right guy, but the wrong message.
>>46992479
>Why are you assuming it's BIG HUMAN COCKS vs. TIGHT ELVEN PUSSIES?
It's literally mentioned in the lore.
A whole formerly human region is now predominantly half-elven as silly human merchants, nobles and other high class people started taking elven women as wives and it became trendy. After some time, all of the high class became half-elven. More time passed, those half-elves drove out humans.
>>46991403
Is there anything to it beyond that? Are we talking vanilla Paizo Vigilante?
![[SAVE ME].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nG50idK.jpg "[SAVE ME].jpg")
>>46991600
>tfw I will NEVER
>EVER
>Hit all my buttons for the ultimate waifu in a campaign
It's not even a particularly unusual race.
>>46992469
Which six, though?
>>46992505
>It's literally mentioned in the lore.
[Citation Needed]
>>46991992
>Ahri
>Sona
>The first and second most voluptuous women in LoL
>Together
Jesus Christ
>>46992517Do share.
>>46991656
No, and all but Synthesist because of another player.
So how am I supposed to play an octopus, /pfg/?
>>46992529
>[Citation Needed]
Hm. Now I'm actually not sure where I read that. Maybe it was another setting.
For some reason I was sure it's Golarion, but I can't find any evidence of that now by googling.
>>46992551
>Silver dragon Ojou-sama in the form of a respectable silver-haired Paladin
But really, I just like big tits and women that aren't stuttering wrecks. I don't like the whole "I need to make you more confident~!" Route a lot of people go.
>>46992584
Well, I'm told you can use Downtime rules to buy a garden, preferably in the shade.
>>46990350
I find most people are third party and assume it is garbage.I used to be one but I got better.
And alot of people see big hp damage and cry op ignoring the caster that does no hp damage because he circumvents it entirely so ends up with no big numbers.
Anyone have a link to the Armor Master's Handbook? Been really curious for a while
>>46992631
Nice meme.
