Looks like CA finally got a brain and decided to make Chaos free. Here's the catch though, it's only free if you buy the game within the first week of release. Thoughts on this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EIkvHD7MU8
>>46983239
That's fantastic. The further they move away from preorder exclusivity, the better.
>>46983239
Personally I'm still wary. I tend to wait until at least a week to buy a game to see reviews about it and how many bugs were found.
>"Flying dwarfs! A beautiful sight!"
I like this girl.
There goes all hope of followup DLC armies.
>>46983960
>implying the extra armies aren't ready
>implying they are not holding back for maximum profit
>>46983960
Nigga, there is still 2 warhammer game left, and they announced they will give faction as FLC or DLC
>>46984440
End Times and Age of Sigmar expansions confirmed!
>>46984461
They already this isn't the main timeline so no Shitmar.
They just intend to expand on the existing game until it encompasses all of the Warhammer World.
Just buy it, get your Chaos download within the window, and hold off on playing it. If it turns out to be horrible you can always get a Steam refund
>>46984623
I'm just gonna wait like 6 or so days before buying it after release. Plenty of time to hear if it sucks ass or has rome 2 level bugs
>>46983960
They already confirmed that Brettonia is also going to be playable, albeit for multiplayer only right now.
>>46984004
to be fair this is not Rome/Attila. Making new armies in this game will be a lot harder fo the game developers.
>>46984852
Pretty sure it's also custom battles
>>46983239
So I get nothing for preorder now? Awww.
>probably waiting until the sequel for all the armies I like
Fucking kill me.
>>46988172
You got taught a valuable lesson about preordering games.
>>46983239
I just wanna burn down the empire as a herd of beastmen.
>>46988945
You'll get your chance. Just I will get my chance to put the lesser creatures in their place as the Dark Elves.
>>46988945
>>46989234
TOMB KANGS WHEN
I eagerly await Lizardmen as well.
>>46989266
Probably the Second Expansion. Think the first is Lustria and the rest of the West, with Araby, Khemri, and the Southlands being second.
>>46989266
OGRE KINGDOMS WHEN
I'm excited for lizards too but seriously I want muh ogres.
>>46983239
Much better. That at least allows some reviews to trickle out to avoid Rome 2 tier shit.
>>46989266
We will literally be last and if we're not I'll dance naked in the street.
>>46989377
If beastmen aren't the last army added i'll shit my pants
>>46984575
>all of Warhammer World.
Oh fuck yes, Ogre Kingdoms!
>>46989377
>>46989462
Near last, but not last from what I had heard. At least, not if they make the full 3 expansions instead of just 2.
I have just wanted a GOOD fantasy grand strategy for ages. The closest i've had is Dominions.
If this game is even halfway decent I will love the shit out of it. Are there any other fantasy grand strategies?
Gibe Kislev plx
>>46989234
>Dark elves nude mods
>>46989561
Try age of wonders 3 m8
>>46989751
That's 4x
>>46983239
So what happens if I buy the game in the first week, download the Chaos Warriors and then get a refund from Steam to maybe rebuy the game at a later point, when it is clear if it works as intended? Does the FLC stay?
>>46984852
>>46986459
Yes, what you don't have for free yet is campaign, for obvious reasons.
>>46989528
As far as I know, they will make 3 games, including this first one. So 2 "expansions". Still enough for tomb kings or whatever. There's like 15 factions in warhammer factions, if we don't count irrlevant stuff like slav hipsters claiming for Kislev. 3 x 4 is 12, which is more than enough considering we will get a lot of DLC packs before the two big expansions are even released (expect the wood elves soon if the company is good at marketing).
>>46990158
Kiselv, and Tilea are present in game as NPC factions already. Odds are someone will mod them to be playable before the second expansion.
>>46983239
Not too surprising. Word is they wanted to make Chaos free-LC but some asshat at Sega shot that idea down.
>>46989947
>If you’ve already pre-ordered then of course you still get the bonus, but by extending the free period deadline by a week past launch, we can make sure more people who don’t feel like pre-ordering don’t miss out while at the same time we still get to reward early adopters, whose support is so valuable to us.
>Retailers who are currently supporting the pre-order will continue offering the DLC for free into the first week, with the free period coming to an end at 18:00 BST on the 31st May.
Damn, I don't think m PC is going to be capable of running this game well.
>>46990482
>Kiselv, and Tilea are present in game as NPC factions already.
But we're yet to see how unique they are. They might well be empire/bretonia clones with some pikes/bears until they make the obvious human nations DLC.
>>46990619
Yeah but they are also a human faction. CA seems to experienced at churning out a fazillion factions in their total war games with many different units and appearances for each faction with relative speed...provided they are human. So we'll see.
>>46988945
>there are still beastmen players.
I always buy the previous total war game when a new one comes out. It's cheap, it's fixed all the bugs, and you can often get all the DLC bundled for a fraction of the price. This one's going to be no different.
>>46990742
>tfw I was thinking of getting into fantasy with beastmen back in 2003
>no lizardmen
>no skaven
>no ogres
>no elves
no sale
>>46983606
You do realize it was never a pre-order exclusive right?
Every time I see these threads someone says exclusive and the only place I've seen it are threads on /tg/ and /v/
Originally it was a pre-order bonus meaning pre-order and get it free or pay like 5 bucks later.
>>46989266
>Ever faction got a cinematic trailer to show off their goals and personality
>yfw Tomb King trailer will just be Nekaph walking up to the gates of a human city and doing his schtick with cutaways to cool bits of Nehekhara and the undead legions crushing everyone else.
>>46990482
So if I play as The Empire I get to start as a single province? Of my choosing?
Rolled 12 (1d100)
HOL UP
>>46991005
no, u always start at reikland
>>46991096
oh...
>Literally 0 factions I want to play as in the base game
I'll stick to either my Medieval II mod or playing Crusader Kings 2 mod.
>>46990823
>mfw spent two hundred dollars on Bret figures a year before AoS.
>to add to my near two thousand dollar bret army
>>46990823
Beastmen are super lame except as part of Chaos undivided, and always have been. Same with Daemons as a separate army. Chaos is cool as a horde of diverse and colorful units. It is mindnumbingly boring as an army of one particular component.
Also, not hyped about this. TW games get more and more half assed every release. They haven't even had free for all multiplayer deathmatch since Medieval 2.
>>46993620
Maybe it's a limitation with the warscape engine they seem adamant about using despite it's proven shittiness.
>>46990857
Yeah I really wanted a Skaven army in game. I dunno why but they are just so much fun to kill.
>>46983239
I'll buy it six months down the track when those lazy fucks have gotten around to removing all of the game breaking bugs that will be present and it will all be on sale for 50% off.
So are we gonna play Azhag or Grimgor for the Greenskin race?
>>46989719
>mods
>denuvo
>>46996248
The games using denuvo? since when?
>>46996247
old news, yes
>>46996426
A bit later the release delay apparently, the hypothesis running around is that denuvo is the reason for the delay.
Sadly, denuvo is confirmed, how difficult it will be to mod now it's unknown and even before there wasn't certainty it would be easy or possible either.
>>46996664
Yeah, but who is the focus?
I mean like how Empire's main hero is Karl Franz, and Vampire Counts is Mannfred. Which one is 'us' essentially?
>>46996984
All of them. You pick a lord to start(azagh or grimgor, mannfred or kemmler) and you recruit the other ones as you go along
>>46996247
you start the campaign with one legendary lord, but in time the second one appears as well
>>46993620
I like having the armies separated because then it means that each piece can hopefully get adequate attention.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Warriors who got most of the attention when they were all one big army.
>>46996984
grimgor got featured in the greenskins' trailer, so I guess it's him, but then again there was kholek in the chaos one when there should logically be archaon I guess.
>>46993620
I liked chaos when it was three armies that you could combne. I got into beast MN because I liked my ramshackle, chariot riding goat rapists plus I had a friend who did daemons so we could mix and max etc
>Tfw your first army was dogs of war
>THEY'RE NEVER COMING BACK
Is there a way to only get custom and multiplayer battles? I actually don't give a shit about the campaign, I can spend years playing around in custom. feel like it would be a waste to buy the whole game if I'm only going to be focused on 10% of it
>>46991096
I think that is only because of the first two hero-lords being who they are.
I imagine as they release more it will expand, like a Taalite high priest from Talabecland or an Ulricite high priest from Middenland, etc.
Lots of room to expand.
>>46991096
Well, that sucks. Reikland has a pretty shitty colour scheme.
>>46990005
You realize they announced Bretonnia as a free DLC in the future, yes?
>>46996718
there said the files would have the same struckture as attilia or rome and be open.
>>46996984
Grimgor is obviously the main leader of the Greenskins since Azhag got got, and Grimgor goes on to fuck shit up.
Say what you want, i think wer're getting a new era of DLCs
The signs are all there, I figure this practise of giving DLCs free for a short amout of time will become the norm if it turns out profitable enough
>>46983239
>WHFB
-> >>>>/vg/140569064
>>46983239
If it's only free if you meet a condition then it's not fucking free.
Fuck games that do this.
No Dark Elves, no buy
>>47003314
> Bretonnia gets into the game before *any* of the Elven factions
Whaddya know, I guess Dwarfs really are the superior race.
>2016
>Warhammer Fantasy
Seriously?
>>46983239
I'm still waiting for Wood Elves
>>47003425
> "WFB shitposters are ruining AoS threads, just move on!"
> AoS go on to shitpost WFB threads
You're just mad that Total War is going to outsell the entirety of Shitmar and pull your game's pants down when GW is looking.
>>47003494
>WHFB
>outsell
>>47003494
I like how defensive and deluded you got. No AoS player shitposts whfb threads. It's just one guy called the slav that shitposts that whfb threads and he is a warmachine player.
However, whfb players constantly shitposts AoS threads. Now what does tell you? Whfb players are immature cunts.
By the way, no matter what happens WHFB will remain dead.
>>47003560
>implying out of stock means anything without production numbers
They could of made 500 boxes as far as we know
>>47003588
>>47003560
>No AoS player shitposts whfb threads
>shitposting right now
>>47003737
I am responding to your post and calling you a moron for falling for the Slav warmachine troll posts.
Like I said, whfb players are immature cunts.
>>47003588
>no AoS players shitpost in WHFB threads
I take it you haven't been in a WHFB thread? There is always a few people shitposting about how stupid we are for either holding on to a dead game, or alternatively calling us stupid for being mad at GW, or for calling us stupid for caring at all about fantasy.
I get it that people shitpost in AoS threads, it's probably because AoS was the most divisive thing GW has done. Just don't lie.
>>47003425
Yes seriosuly. This game was in development when Shitmar was still just a tumor growing in GW's head. By the time CA was ready to announce it, GW went and killed off WHFB.
Quite ironic actually.
>>47003796
Immature and incredibly stupid cunts*
>>47003796
>all shitposting done in WHFB threads are done by a single false flagging Slav
>trust me guise
I'm not sure how stupid you think people are.
>>47003810
If you have been in whfb threads, then would know who the slav is. Oh wait you are too dumb to recognize his posts. There isn't a few people, it's just one guy and he has been shitposting /whfb/ threads since the End Times.
>>47003796
>>47003820
>samefag still shitposting
>it's not shitposting if I don't call it that
>>47003859
You
see
>>47003820
Incredibly stupid. Maybe even willingly stupid because they have been played like a fiddle by a troll for an entire year.
>>46996248
You can get around denuvo, just takes a bit.
>>47003900
You're pretty delusional if you honestly think AoS players don't shitpost, and that it is all instead the actions of a single Slav.
What is funnier, is that right now you're shitposting.
Wake me when you release skaven
>>47003953
I am not responding to the accusation that AoS shitposts. Why are you trying to silence me from responding to this accusation? Maybe because you have flimsey grounds for it and love to have a souble standard. Please go to the archives and show me these multiple shitposters.
>>47003998
I am not. I am responding*
>>47004014
>A shitpost is a shitpost by any other name
>>47004033
If you want to accuses anyone of shitposting, then you can start with this (>>47003494).
>>47003998
Holy shit.
Is the irony of him shitposting right now lost on him or something?
>>47004070
>guy responding to a shitpost with a shitpost
At least he stopped after a while. You're continuing to shitpost wildly.
>>47004104
>Anon A: AoS players shitpost!
>Anon B : That's not true
>Anon A : Stop shitposting!
Whfb players started it by throwing accusation that they cannot prove.
>>46984852
If it's anything like what they did with Rome 2 every faction that's worth playing will eventually be released in a DLC pack.
>>47004120
If you stopped replying to me, then I would have stopped to. I just voiced my disagreement and it would have ended there.
Glad you that guy has no proof and was running his mouth like little wanker he is.
>>46983239
Further proof that Chaosfags are GW's pwecious wittle childwen.
>>47004208
How so?
We got fucked by the DLC shenanigans and it wasn't only us who complained about it. If the Orcs or Undead were locked out by DLC crap, would the rest of the dandom have stayed quiet?
>>47004070
No, I'll start here
>>47003425
then move to
>>47003494
and then
>>47003560
followed by
>>47003588
Essentially you are all shitposting retards, and the fact you can't differentiate that I'm a separate person from you delusional assmonkeys
>>47004150
You can check the WHFB thread up right now for people shitposting AoS stuff. You can go through the archives and look at almost any thread, and there will be AoS related shitposting.
I'm honestly aware you may be annoyed by WHFB fans. But you cannot claim that there is one guy doing all the shitposting. It's asinine and completely devoid of logic. It's like /pol/ and the JIDF. And I'm not the one calling people stupid cunts or anything either. It's shitposting of the highest grade and its being done either because he is an idiot, or he is a very good troll.
>>47004254
If it was Orcs or Undead, it wouldn't have become free. They'd have told us to shove it.
You people...
>>47004313
>and there will be AoS related shitposting.
Posted by a single guy. Unless you are saying that every shitposter in /whfb/ has bad english, same mannerisms, and posting style which is what I consider asinine.
>>46996984
I wish that GW would just had stuck with the Dracula look and hadn't redesigned Mannfred to look like a Klingon Chaos Lord.
>>47004393
If it was Orcs, then there will be the same outrage or more.
CA and Sega are the ones that call the shots on the DLC. GW has nothing to do with this.
>>46983239
>still not making a Core race free forever
fuck CA, fuck Sega, and 100% fuck the Space Marines being a DLC faction in Batlefleet Gothic Armada
>>47004471
He is based on first vampire in cinema.
>>47004471
Mannfred is as unique as he is based. My only issue with him in the same is that he is voiced by what appears to be a drunken eastern European.
It doesn't suit him. His voice in the audiobooks is way better andsexy
>>47004512
Pretty sure early adopters get SM and Tau as free DLC.
You have two months to bu the game before the offer is finished.
>>46983239
So pre-orders must be really, really bad.
lol fucking retards. Too late.
>>46998395
They're aiming the marketing so the game can attract people who never played the miniature game too. They probably used Kholek instead of Archaon to show a big bad monster.
>>47004519
Count Orlok didn't wear sleaveless Chaos armour and GW already did the Orlok thing with the Necrarch years before redesigning Mannfred.
>>47004520
Too bad they wrote Mannfred like Elliot Rodger during the End Times.
>>47004572
I would normally call you a standard GW shill, but considering CA's spotty track record, I can understand why people are apprehensive. I would love nothing more than for them not to fuck it up, but I really have no doubts that there will at least be some crazy performance issues. The fact that there are featured stripped from the last games already doesn't help.
Until then, I will wait for the game to come out and for reviews to multiply until I bother spending $60 on release or $15+all the DLC on the fully patched game in two years.
>>47000648
And I suppose that you didn't realize that the word "yet" in my sentence means I already said that, making your reply useless.
>>47004580
I think people where complaining Chaos didn't have enough monsters so they wanted to show them off.
>>47003314
>>47003357
Maybe it's because all the relevant elves live super far.
>>47004572
Not really. For a while, it was on Steam's top sales.
>>47004447
> Unless you are saying that every shitposter in /whfb/ has bad english, same mannerisms, and posting style
> Unless you are suggesting that literally every AoS fan has brain problems
>>47004150
>WHFB a shit
>>AoS a shit
>Stop shitposting!
>>No U!
>No U!
ftfy
>>47004717
That never stopped them from traveling to the Old World.
>>46992131
Bretonnians are actually pretty beastly in AOS.
>>46990158
>Kislev
>irrelevant
Kislev is literally the only reason that the Empire didn't cease to exist in the first couple of Chaos incursions. They're a cool faction with unique features and deserve some love from the devs.
Why are they making it a dead game though? This really ought to be Age of Sigmar if simply to give it more momentum like DOW did for 40K.
>>47005159
There is no way to compare factions in a system entirely devoid of any balancing mechanics.
>>47005185
In the End Times, they didn't even act as a speed bump for the Chaos forces.
>>47005216
Yeah, why don't they make it for Age of Sigmar, the campaign map would be AWEEEESOMMEE
>>47005294
Why are you comparing art from a franchise that has existed for just around a year to one that was around for over thirty?
>>47005185
They're barely a faction, let a lone a core one. They got an army book that was almost unplayable and a bunch of minis in 6th to be abandoned. Even Dogs of War, Beastmen or Chaos Dwarves are closer to be an actual warhammer faction.
The only reason Kislev has a significant fanbase is the fact that WHFB is so popular in central europe.
They may be in the game (in fact I really wish they are), but they're very far from being a must. Even ogres or tomb counts go before them in the list.
>>47005327
Because the former didn't come into the world ex nihilo?
Age of Sigmar isn't some cutesy start-up company, you beanbag, it's the latest franchise from a fucking huge corporation. It absolutely should have the polish and refinement you'd expect out of the 30 years of experience and precedent it had to work with.
>>47005327
Probably because the one that is a year old is trying so damn hard to wear warcraft's skin, sewing on warcraft's face, and being warcraft. But it's not.
>>47005327
the best artist to walk the earth could not salvage a horrible setting.
>>47005556
Funds are running low, though. GW has been carrying the 30 year old game for years, bleeding money all the way.
>>47005597
Too fucking bad? "but GW makes lots of other bad decisions!" is not an excuse for GW making bad decisions.
>>47005597
That has more to do with GW sucking at running a business.
>>47005556
>It absolutely should have the polish and refinement you'd expect out of the 30 years of experience and precedent it had to work with.
How about no? Completely squatting basically all the old models and making whole new lines is expensive as fuck and severely limits GW's range of profits once you start adding in artists and their royalties. Guys like Blanche probably were asking for too much money so GW instead hired out some bottom-of-the-barrel deviantart drivel so they could still turn a profit.
>>47005638
>>47005685
Just saying current circumstances and situation matters.
>>47005750
No, it doesn't. Lowering your expectations because GW fucked themselves is just giving a fucking company, by definition a competitive entity, a participation award. You may as well go to the Olympics and demand 4th place and below should get medals too.
>>47005708
>How about no?
You listed all kinds of reasons why it DOESN'T, but absolutely zero reasons why it SHOULDN'T.
"GW made bad decisions! You shouldn't call them bad decisions because they made other bad decisions leading up to this bad decision!" is a joke. A company does not need you to stand up for them; the whole point of becoming a company is so you can live or die by your performance, and GW's performance with AoS has been a joke.
>>47005810
>You listed all kinds of reasons why it DOESN'T, but absolutely zero reasons why it SHOULDN'T.
>le company should be able to perform perfectly why isn't everything perfect maymay
Yeah, if that's what you expect from every newly launched franchise, even from a company as large as GW, you're -always- going to be disappointed. Which isn't that surprising, considering that /tg/ is just the tabletop version of old /v/. Nothing is ever good.
>>47003560
If AoS is doing so well, why is GW stock been dropping since the new year?
Why are they posting such minuscule profits every quarter?
>>46983606
It was cut content, not exclusive. It's just that you had to pay extra is you didn't pre order.
>>47006002
Yet GW predicted a massive success at launch. Yet what gains they made were far smaller than predicted. GW themselves were setting up for disappointment.
>>47005159
>Taking part in AoS
Why would anyone ever?
>>47006109
To use broken rules to decimate opposition when you bring defunct Old World units and rules into AoS and steamroll.
>>47006146
What even are the rules if I wanted to play with my brets?
I also refuse to buy any models, so if that's required I'm not doing it. I'm not gonna support a company that showed me that instead of fixing a system that needed some reworking they would rather nuke it and start from the ground up. Doesn't really build much consumer trust.
>>47006794
From what I've seen, if AoS has no rules for the unit, fall back onto WHFB rules for it.
And since points are more or less a helpful suggestion rather than a rule, nothing is really stopping you from fielding an entire army against a couple squads.
>>47006855
Shit. Do I need to change bases?
>>47007037
Nah. Keep em as is. Even units that came from WHFB that are now in AoS, like Volkmar(still don't know how they explain that) use their old models and bases, no changes.
>>47005239
The Fag Times are terribly written.
>>47005512
GW being inept is no reason they can't be given some love. This game needs MORE attention to the normal humans, not LESS.
>>47006020
>If AoS is doing so well, why is GW stock been dropping since the new year?
40k is dying.
>>47008960
That was happening before AoS. Shitmar was supposed to bolster sales. So much for that.
>>47009007
>Shitmar was supposed to bolster sales.
And already doing it, orruks release sold out in US and EU, just 40k is dying too quick.
>>47009111
Because 40k right now is a mess.
>>47009111
Selling out stock doesn't equal profit.
>Share prices continue to drop
>Investors continue experiencing loss rather than gain.
Thanks AoS you really pulled GW out of the fire.
>>47009147
Yes.
>>47009111
More like the barely made any of the new Orcs(No, stop calling them Orruks or whatever garbage they pull out of their ass) as there was no demand anyways.
Reminder to never buy a Total War game on launch. They all start out shitty and filled with bugs and they pay off reviewers.
>>47009312
>barely made
Proofs?
>>47009111
>Previous reports proudly toted Age of Sigmar and its introduction to store fronts.
>Current report quietly omits mention of AoS as store sales continue to drop but Forge World orders increase.
Yeah, that must be it.
>>47009476
Any numbers?
>>47009147
This. 6'th and 7'th edition is just shit. They need to make the game play faster and roll back psychic powers to what it was before 6'th edition.
>>47009694
http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2015-16-Press-Statement.pdf
>Retail worldwide
>21,457 this quarter
>23,406 last quarter
>Forge World
>9,508 this quarter
>8,961 last quarter
Nothing seems to be dying 'too quick' as>>47009111
says
Rather, the new fangled toy on the market hasn't done anything to stop the hemorrhaging.
>>47009777
Also note that despite the glorious announcement of AoS in the previous report here
http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2014-15-Press-statement-final-website-final.pdf
Any mention of AoS in the current report is suspiciously absent...
>>47009777
Didn't Betrayal at Calth sell more boxes than Age of Sigmar?
If anything 30k is probably the last hope GW has unless they can unfuck 40k very fast.
>>47003560
I like how this picture here probably shit on quite a few people who complained about the models.
I also like how there are people who can't wrap their heads around the fact that people can like more than one thing and don't constantly fellate the past while scorning everything else. Having to invent excuses like GW waving a wand and suddenly turning a majority of the clampacks they produced back into raw material.
>>47012840
>I also like how there are people who can't wrap their heads around the fact that people can like more than one thing and don't constantly fellate the past while scorning everything else.
But that's the majority of WHFB playerbase who prefer Age of Sigmar instead of old shit like 8th edition and homebrew thrash like 9th Age.
>>47004471
I really don't understand this criticism of how armor that is ornate and not 100% historically accurate is suddenly Chaos armor.
I'm guessing they changed Mannfred because they felt that the Dracula look fits Vlad better (It really does) and they wanted to make Mannfred look more like a necromancer who can fight if he needs to.
It probably didn't help that while that illustation of Mannfred looks good, the model of him was so cartoony and looked like it came out of a bad movie.
>>47005239
Because Chaos was finally pouring from the north in droves and not in piece meal incursions.
>>47006794
The rules for Bretonnia are available in PDF form and in the AoS app, I'd check the latter if you can in case they've been updated. Bases don't matter in AoS.
The Fantasy system probably would have had to be demolished and rebuilt from the ground up to be closer to 40k and other games in the market that have actually shown there is a thriving market out there for them, not a fickle niche.
>>47014646
>>47014646
>and other games
Wut? I seriously cannot remember any game except 40k, focused on using superheavy units.
>>47012840
Tyranids in AoS confirmed.
>>47014752
I meant skirmish style, which 40k is on the high end of.
No one out there as far as non-historicals goes is bothering with Fantasy's type of rank and file gameplay outside of Kings of War, whose whole point of existence is being notFantasy.
I guess there was War of the Ring too, but from the sound of things nobody gives a shit about even trying to create a fan version of that, they'd rather play the original LotR game.
>>46984852
These colors and models look craptastic. And the best thing is after the charge the horsemen don't even switch to swords, but continue to attack with their lances.
Something which is a step back from other TTW games and looks craptastic. I have no hope for this game.
who /med2mods/ here
>>47015354
>These colors and models look craptastic.
What, not sufficiently brown and desaturated for you?
>>47015254
>I meant skirmish style
But dude, AoS isn't skirmish game.
>I guess there was War of the Ring
But War of Rings was large battle expansion for LotR skirmish game.
>>46983239
they'll do what they always do with this one. you will be able to buy everything available for this game at some point, they'll release download packs of everything they have and put the game on sale for 50-75% off after its been out for 2 years. If the game does really bad they'll put it on sale after 1 year.
Unless you're a total war nut like I am, you can easily wait a year or so to buy this game, get a good deal on it, and play an optimized version thats had some patch balancing.
total war games are like investing in Gold, they will still be amazing games 10 years from now.
>>47016628
I do.
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>>47017027
unf
you have any good tweaks for pikes and muskets? I did a quick and dirty tweak to buff up gun with raw damage but I could never get pikes balanced.
Wish I still had more of my old screenshots.
>>47017116
A thing I noticed was multiplying gunpowder unit damage by 1.5 to 2 was always a good thing.
Also, keep pike units on the defensive so that they use guard mode
>>47007317
>The Fag Times are terribly written.
Nah, they are excellent.
Can't wait for the CA hate threads on release
>>47017134
>Also, keep pike units on the defensive so that they use guard mode
I know, but I can just never get vanilla med2 pike units to ever work.
Sure I could do things with them but they never seemed to be any use over other infantry, they also keep switching to their short-sword on me even in guard mode.
>>47017014
>But dude, AoS isn't skirmish game.
In play style it sort of is. Size I'd argue it could be anything since there is nothing as yet by GW to gauge game size by. I won't be surprised though if when the points values come out it ends up being similar to 40k. Off the top of my head I remember reading that it was said in a podcat by people who had a chance to try out the new points system that a certain number of points (2500?) takes two and half hours to complete a match.
>But War of Rings was large battle expansion for LotR skirmish game.
I meant as a rank and file game War of the Ring was the only other non-historical that came to mind besides Fantasy and KoW.
>>47017170
It is a known m2 bug, but for some reason I noticed that changing the pike length and animations ended up 'fixing' it.
I personally keep them on the defensive, and use them to charge when the formation collapses.
>>47017183
>but for some reason I noticed that changing the pike length and animations ended up 'fixing' it.
Been a while since I fucked with the files, are those easy to change?
>>47017178
>In play style it sort of is
How? There is still no individual activation, models still grouped in the squads.
>similar to 40k.
But 40k osn't skirmish game, except KillTeam (skirmish expansion).
>>47017206
they should be changed in RoDG. I personally never had that problem
>>47016628
How do you play against chaos and not get your ass kicked? Mod seems IMBA as all fuck. Only thing the Empire has that seems able to take down daemons or chosen knights is Hochland riflemen.
>>47014646
>Because Chaos was finally pouring from the north in droves and not in piece meal incursions.
Asvar Kul's invasion also wrecked them. Without the Imperials help, the nation would have fallen back then.
>>47017264
Its been a while, but I remember focus firing at them with shitloads of free company archers and various cannons, then just swarm them with bodies.
Always remember how fucking good upgraded empire speamen in shield wall formation are.
>>47017268
Yeah, that is another example of Chaos coming in droves.
Truthfully the Old World probably survived as long as it did because outside of the Everchosen and maybe a handful of Chaos Lords, every other raid from the north was just a sliver.
>>47014646
>I really don't understand this criticism of how armor that is ornate and not 100% historically accurate is suddenly Chaos armor.
I would say because he had those huge tusks sticking out of the back on the redesigned version and also because the armour also looks very thick with a bunch of sharp edges all over the place.
>I'm guessing they changed Mannfred because they felt that the Dracula look fits Vlad better (It really does) and they wanted to make Mannfred look more like a necromancer who can fight if he needs to.
Vlad does not really look anymore like Dracula than his old mini did. If anything Vlad's old mini had a face that looked more similar to Vlad Tepes facial structure. But the way they used to do it was that Vlad was based on the more romantic Gary Oldman movie version of Dracula (which is probably why the Isabella romance is a thing to begin with) and Mannfred was based on more straight up evil Christopher Lee movie version of Dracula. They are also both supposed to be movie Dracula because the joke is that they keep getting killed but they always come back. I understand that they decided to make Mannfred Count Orlok, but I also think they didn't commit enough into making Mannfred look like him.
I guess I'm just annoyed thst they dropped the classic look completely and Konrad looks more like Cosmo Kramer than Dracula.
>It probably didn't help that while that illustation of Mannfred looks good, the model of him was so cartoony and looked like it came out of a bad movie.
All the Vampire Counts looks like they are from a b-movie because that's where you find most of the popular vampire designs. Also, how did it look any more cartoony than the redesign?
>>46983239
cant blame them thats how it works now
they have to please shareholders and turn profits
so its a start
>>47017653
Doesn't also the publisher get to decide what will be sold as DLC and SEGA is kind of an asshole publisher?
>>46983960
They've already said a full Bretonnia army that can be used in the campaign is free DLC. Calm down and take your inhaler before you faint, young one.
>>46984461
the expension are not different times, but different worlds
so expect the West and the East/South
>>47016628
I'll probably go back to it after this new one as I personally really do not like what Total War has become on the campaign map side of things.
>>47017907
I have to agree on this
Warhammers or Attilas map, with Barbarian Invasion's campaign map features and mechanics would make a far superior game
>>47009199
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>>47009111
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>>47006020
New business model: lower prices and encourage newcomers with a welcoming atmosphere. Present the basic rules in high-quality YouTube videos, so that even people unfamiliar with tabletop gaming can easily get a sense of how it works and how enjoyable it can be. Regularly update the GW YouTube account with "how to" videos explaining painting and modelling techniques. Expand the GW website so that it is not only an online store but also a community hub where players can arrange meetings or tournaments. Capitalize on what makes it distinct from the video game market: the community.
>>47017170
Place the pikes behind another unit so that they aren't in too close. Doubles your killing power and fixes the problem. Pikes are one of the best infantry units in Med2, and I never go without them if I have the option.
>>47019207
Kirby's philosophy was to give the customers as little free stuff as possible.
>>47019207
But anon. That would require paying more staff. How about we just cut the number of models in each box instead?
It's like the whole thing with American Airlines and the olives. Let me just give myself a raise.
>>46983239
You mean an iconic staple of the IP is no longer a preorder?
Forgive me if i dont throw them a fucking party for finally meeting the standards they should have in the first place.
>>47020440
Wasn't a preorder to begin with.
Read the damn thread.
>>47020440
>>47022116
Really, the amount of confusion about this is pretty surprising. The initial plan was basically for it to work like the Greek City States DLC in Rome 2. So basically:
>Chaos is present as a non-player faction always.
>Additionally, there's paid DLC to unlock it as a playable faction.
>Everybody who preorders (and now who buys within the first week) gets said DLC for free, everybody else who wants it needs to buy it.
Nothing about it being exclusive or anything.
I might get it for the steam tank, just to knock am Orc boss off his boar with a long range shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiVXAntNgnw
>>46983239
I'm going to pirate it.
>>47024429
Gonna be difficult, they're apparently planning to use the as-of-yet uncracked denuvo.
>>46983239
Day 1 pirate i see.
>>47025237
>denuvo
>>47022116
Chaos was a day one DLC
>buying CA games after Shogun 2
>buying CA games after the clusterfuck that was Rome 2 and Attila
You fucking deserve to be Jewed by Sega if you're that retarded. CA and Sega are getting as bad as the Swedish Jews when it comes to cut-content I mean DLC.
>>47024429
>>47024501
>>47025237
>>47025552
Yeah denuvo's a real headscratcher. Don't expect to get a pirated copy until weeks later, if ever.
>>46990619
We know they are clones right now. That being said depending how difficult it'll be to modify I plan on working on the Tileans and Estalians since I like the Spanish/Italian look. The problem is the textures I used to do in the past were easy peasy scale/lamellar/mail patterns and renaissance era attire tends to look more unique and irregular. It'll all depend if there'll be suitable models to build off for say, a brigadine or aketon/padded jack.
Might also try my hand at the Bretonnians - I know their look is more later 13th century but I wouldn't mind men-at-arms and some knight errants or foot knights looking more 12th century.
It also depends how they compile their models.
>Look up and learn that a peasant levied to fight in Bretonnia will get a WHOLE COPPER COIN if they survive the war.
>>47025902
Day one DLC and preorder exclusives are two very different things, and while both are bad business and examples of how we as consumers love to let corporations shit all over us, one is much less damaging than the other.
Day one DLC is a publisher withholding content that for all intents and purposes should be in the game from the get go. But the player can purchase it whenever he damn well feels like. Much like collector's edition exclusives on games that offer post-purchase upgrades.
Pre-order exclusives are the customer paying up front for an entire game that may very well be a bug ridden, unfun mess for one or two pieces of content that may or may not make the game more enjoyable.
>>47024391
Aw, the tank actually has close combat animations. I was hoping it would just bulldoze through enemies, not engage in some really wonky CQC.
>>46984575
>All of Warhammer world
>Cathay
>Araby
>Ogre Kingdoms
>Hobgobla Khanate
My diiiiiiiiiiiick
>>47026061
>Trash talking shogun 2
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>>47028981
Holy shit that image is bonkers.
>>47019207
now you made me miss the old GW site with shit tons of articles about lore, conversion guides, scenarios and optional rules.
fuck you i didn't need these feels
>>47032246
Remember when White Dwarf wasn't just GW stuff?
>>47019207
I seriously don't understand why everyone and their mother latches on to lower prices like they expect it to be some miracle cure, it isn't.
What would more likely happen if GW lowered prices is that they would just lose money.
In addition to supposedly being a miracle cure, lowering prices just seems to be some kind of excuse to hide the fact that less people are showing an interest in wargames that don't offer instant gratification like X-Wing and similar games.
>Regularly update the GW YouTube account with "how to" videos explaining painting and modelling techniques.
Pretty sure they already do this.
>but also a community hub where players can arrange meetings or tournaments.
Somewhat pointless since Facebook already does this, every GW store even has their own Facebook.
>>47033851
>that don't offer instant gratification like X-Wing and similar games.
Lolwut? X-wing is one of the best dog-fight simulation ruleset.
>>47033981
And you're instantly able to start playing with little fuss.
Other miniatures games at least require you to glue figures together which is a bit more troublesome than the ship into peg into base system of X-Wing. Not to mention the ships come prepainted, so if that is a concern you don't have to worry about it.
>>47034452
>And you're instantly able to start playing with little fuss
Just like Warmahordes duel pack or most of Infinity sectorial packs.
>>47034769
Not really, like I said in my post you have to glue those together and if you're going to paint them have to take care of the mold lines first, at least for Warmachine and Hordes. The fact that they're not painted is also something of a drawback if you're not inclined towards such activities.
The above in combination with it being Star Wars and the game apparently being fun is why X-Wing has exploded in popularity.
>>47028363
I'm sure it could have some special ability like most total war units. Something that lets it charge in a straight line knocking enemies out of the way like elephants in previous titles.
Fuck CA. Been torrenting since Empire and haven't given a single hoot.
>>47017555
>I would say because he had those huge tusks sticking out of the back on the redesigned version and also because the armour also looks very thick with a bunch of sharp edges all over the place.
That doesn't make it Chaos armor.
>Also, how did it look any more cartoony than the redesign?
Because it looks like it comes directly from a B horror movie with no real attempt to put their own spin on it.
I like for the most part that the current range of Vampire models from GW, bar perhaps Isabella, all look dead or monstrous to some degree. Whether that be because they have gaunt cheeks, bat like noses, or pointed ears. I could easily see a vampire using a glamor or other means to normally make themselves appear more human, but unless they're Lhamians I'd fully expect them to drop the charade in combat both because they're more focused on fighting than looking good and so that they can use their looks to unnerve and terrify opponents.
>>47035415
>Hate game developer
>Still play their games
How about you NOT play the games they make?
>>46983239
No matter, I'll be pirating it anyway
>>47014646
>Because Chaos was finally pouring from the north in droves and not in piece meal incursions.
Well the Gortek and Felix book points out that the chaos wastes has warped time. So it's entirely possible that part of the reason the rest of the invasions where small is because warriors where getting siphoned to the end times time to build ranks.
>>47035527
>Because it looks like it comes directly from a B horror movie with no real attempt to put their own spin on it.
No shit. That's one of the main appeals of Vampire Counts. They are the B horror movie army. Putting a spin on things is the reason why they made the bloodlines to begin with.
Von Carstein was the B horror movie Dracula bloodline, Blood Dragons was the Vlad Tepes knightly warrior bloodline, the Necrarch was the cryptkeeper necromancer Orlok bloodline, Lahmia was the seductive Carmilla bloodline and Strigoi was the Lovecraftian ghoul bloodline turned into monsters, then driven to becoming outsiders by the other bloodlines.
GW just decided to mash all of that into the von Carstein bloodline and scrap the identity of the other bloodlines that they spent years building up. It's like if Chaos was presented as Undivided only and all marks was labeled Undivided.
I also don't see any so called GW putting their own spin on the vampires since they already did all that with the bloodlines. They just gave the von Carstein the Blood Dragons aesthetics with the wargear, gave them Strigoi monster faces and made Mannfred look more like a Necrarch. Hell, Mannfred basically just looks like a beefy version of the old Red Duke model, so they didn't go out of their way to make him look unique.
As far as I'm concerned GW made Vampire Counts boring.
>>47036437
To me, one of the most interesting/fun facets about VC is that, apart from being all vampiric-y and shit, they're still de-facto counts of the Empire and conducted themselves as such. Including actually taking pretty good care of their subjects (aside from occasionally snacking on them) out of a sense of noblesse oblige.
So yeah, I agree that turning them into just fairly generic grimdark monstrous badguys really takes away some of that nuance and makes them less interesting. Shit, with Vlad gone I'd rather they'd gone with Isabella as the main LL instead of Mannfred.
>>47036724
Well, Mannfred was less of a statesman than Vlad was. While Vlad intended to rule as a strong leader Mannfred intended to rule as a tyrant, because he had decided it was what he deserved and his destiny.
Mannfred has always represented the most evil and selfish aspects of the von Carstein. Unlike Vlad, he also went out of his way to get power the fast and easy way by becoming Nagash's pupil. For some insane reason Mannfred had also decided that he was far too cunning to be manipulated by Nagash or even carry out Nagash's will by proxy.
So Mannfred's entire purpose as a pawn was to weaken the Empire and ensure that it didn't end up with a strong immortal ruler like Vlad.
>>47036724
>So yeah, I agree that turning them into just fairly generic grimdark monstrous badguys really takes away some of that nuance and makes them less interesting.
I don't see where they did this at all though in lore. Also your point only really applies to the Von Carsteins and maybe any Lhamians who had carved out territory for themselves in Sylvania.
If the looks seemingly ended up getting mashed together it was because the VC didn't get many individual sculpts and the sculptors were under no order to directly create a VC Lord or Hero that specifically represented one of the bloodlines. The Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon could be a Von Carstein or Blood Dragon and likewise the winged Vampire Lord. The Coven Throne was supposed to be Lhamian, but could probably just as easily be Von Carstein.
>>47037179
The problem is that they turned all the von Carstein except Isabella into generic monster guys in evil looking armor. They just look like gothic Chaos warriors.
>>47037018
>For some insane reason Mannfred had also decided that he was far too cunning to be manipulated by Nagash or even carry out Nagash's will by proxy.
In the end, Mannfred showed Nagash that he would rather destroy the world than kneel before Nagash ever again.
Now in AoS, Nagash is hellbent on breaking Mannfred and forever chaining to his throne as some sort of challenge to himself and repayment to Mannfred's treachery. This would be more painful to Mannfred than any torture Nagash can devise.
Imo, this is great. The whole dynamic between Mannfred and Nagash reminds me of Starscream and Megatron.
>>47037264
>The problem is that they turned all the von Carstein except Isabella into generic monster guys in evil looking armor.
Probably because it's about having a cohesive aesthetic and actually showing them in armor since they're supposed to be fighting.
Giving VC their own armor also means you're not pigeonholed in terms of background lore like you would be if they all looked like they came from the Empire.
Once again, I'm not seeing the Chaos criticism and that this point you might as well say Dark Elves look like Chaos Warriors too because their armor is similar.
Them being dressed in finery doesn't make much sense when the majority of them are supposed to be in the thick of battle, they're going to go out with at least some protection.
It's hard to do a hundred different sculpts for every possible idea under the sun when you only have plastic to work with. If GW had decided to continue with metal or had just used FW's resin formula maybe things would have been different.
>>47028663
>>Cathay
>>Araby
Anon, calm your dick, it's improbable they could or even would expand that far considering the lack of info on the regions, factions and units of the far east.The only hope is that it cash so hard they are forced to add elements to the warhammer world
>>47037445
Eh, there is some information on Araby from the RPG and Tamurkhan has a brief appearance of some units defending an outpost of Cathay.
>>47037459
Not enough to warrant a total war faction from those scraps alone I fear.
After all they would need names, geography and the interactions of the lands, aesthetic and themes to follow, legendary lords and stories to create a campaign, all in a way that would make them feel part of the warhammer world.
It's not simply translating an armybook, it'd need a big dose of inputs.
>>47037337
Since I never liked Starscream and I think that he is a huge faggot, I hated Mannfred going full Starscream.
>>47005216
>That "art"
>>47037445
Still there is a chance the factions will be added in as an NPC at first, then expanded on in DLC/FLC.
>>46983239
>Thoughts on this?
I still will not buy it.
>>47028663
Araby will probably be in the game (playable or not that's another issue), cathay and the khanate probably not. It's big expansions that add more world, and there will be only two. Both have to be standalones and they promised all the main races will be playable so they can't lose time and work with cathay and hobgoblins.
