Compact edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
First for best chapter.
Are you ready for Winghammer 40k? how many fliers do you own?
>Inb4 Heldrake fear squad makes a return
>>46940800
>Are you ready for Winghammer 40k?
Yes
>how many fliers do you own?
2 and 10 Traktor Kannons
Black Templars are only at slightly more than one thousand now.
GW company decision.
>>46940673
>"Nobody can find this edition" edition
>>46940922
>Type 40k in the search bar because you're not a retard
WOW, THAT WAS SO HARD ANON.
>>46940922
Nobody worth being in the thread anyway.
>>46940922
If we get rid of the people that can't read and only look at pictures we'll get fewer retarded rules questions as well.
>>46940916
Confirmed that it IS a retcon as well by a BL writer.
>>46940962
Now we'll just get the determined retards.
![tumblr_nlwswvG2zJ1tp1stlo1_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uVYr2TI.jpg "tumblr_nlwswvG2zJ1tp1stlo1_1280[1].jpg")
coolest imperial fighter coming through.
>>46941000
Eeeh, top 3.
Everyone is a chaplain now!
I am playing the Adeptus mechanicus(Skitarii) and if got an engiseer from a friend can i play him with the Skitarii or could i make an allied Space marine chapter take a tank and use him somehow or is he basically useless?
>>46941000
I still prefer the BRRRRTvenger strike fighter.
ITT: we create a new and somewhat unique idea for a Lord of Chaos, be he Space Marine, Mortal, or Xenos.
I'll start.
>The Hollow King: Formerly of the Thousand Sons, the Hollow King was transformed into a Rubric Marine in his Terminator Armor. Unlike many of his fellow Rubricae, however, he still possesses his faculties and a vague fragment of his former personality, that waxes and wanes according to unseen and unknown influences. In addition, he possesses a subconscious but very strong psychic ability, and unknowingly uses this to boost his warband of Rubric Marines to better effectiveness. He speaks in riddles and half-truths, and often forgets when and where he is on the battlefield. He often sits silently on his throne for days, doing nothing but staring out the viewport of his command ship into the Warp, while he is polished, cleaned, and anointed by slaves, before he will randomly speak to a scribe who translates all he says. When he remembers who he is, he hates Ahriman and what he's done to him, and has sworn vengeance for him and his Rubric brothers.
>>46940996
>Confirmed that it IS a retcon as well by a BL writer.
A recton that GW's management told the writer to make.
Because fuck dem Templar and fuck dem mary sues.
![99120101095_NephilimJet01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cV7z9DT.jpg "99120101095_NephilimJet01[1].jpg")
>>46941000
Are those lascannons meant to be positioned like that or did someone fuck it up?
Anyway this is clearly the most LOYAL, coolest and definitely IMPERIAL fighter.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SF79EH4.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>46941022
and here's the coolest attack flyer
>>46941049
Pretty much useless unless you ally, but doing so with guard is tough.
Any formations with engineers require about 3-5 tanks
Just use him as a Skitari hero or champion
>>46941022
that's a space cobra/apache
>>46941000
Fuck off, thunderbolt is still the king. All other fighters look like garbage next to it.
>>46941049
Enginseer is Imperial Guard.
So, he's useless. You could probably use him as a proxy, if that's fine with your friend.
>>46941081
>loyal
>cool
pick none.
>>46940800
>Are you ready for Winghammer 40k?
I have my Aegis Quad-gun, manned by a company command squad. Jink as you please.
>how many fliers do you own?
2 Vendetta.
>>46941061
>LordAl'zheimers, The Hollow King
>>46941102
>Help I'm being raped by crimson hunters, the plane
>cool
>>46941090
I'm legit not allowed to bring my Fire Raptor to casual games, because it just owns so fucking muchand I have a nasty habit of managing to deploy it exactly where it needs to be exactly when it needs to be there.
>>46941107
Winners aren't losers.
>>46941141
>crimson turds
>cool
disgusting, especially since nightwings exist in the same faction
>>46940731
yes
So did FMC get changes in Death From the Skies?
>>46940800
>how many fliers do you own?
I have an entire Wing, because my friends and I used to play a fuckton with fliers.
So
>2 Orcas
>2 Tigersharks with Heavy Railguns
>3 Barracudas
>3 Sun Shark Bombers
>6 Razorsharks
Mostly use them for 4k+ point battles or our "fliers only" games.Really looking forward to the update, even if my FW stuff might be outdated for a long time. We used to have all kinds of scenarios and special rules, like Protect the Orca, or claim an objective on the ground and get off the table with it. Hype train, tchuu tchuu
>>46941190
>Dreadnought doing nothing at all.
>>46941210
None rumoured so far
>>46941190
>Get every weapon but the bolters wrong.webm
>>46941232
>No Manta
Dropped
>>46941210
>FMC
>Left in the dirt
Suck it Nids and Chaos. No good shit for you. We Marine edition :^)
>>46941183
never said they were cool. But in the lore your lightning bolts get blasted by them.
Anyone seen them Battle for Vedros sets in stores yet? Any clue to the RRP?
>>46941210
Yeah
>Flying Monstrous Creatures that have the ability to go into Swooping mode may no longer use it and are instead always treated as being in Gliding mode.
>>46941258
Considered it, but nah. It is just a glorified transport, and a squishy one at that.
It would be fun to fly in tanks, though.
When we will get Space Escorts (900m long) support option?
>>46941022
>Vultrure gunship
>fighter
okay dude
>>46940953
>>46940954
Why are you bitter and hateful?
Good news: yesterday I checked the Dakkajet sprues, and I can confirm that the model in White Dwarf uses pieces from each of the 3 Dakkajet sprues, so we'll get all the sprues in the Blastajet kit.
Bad news: today I checked GW's site to do some price comparisons. They're not selling the Dakkajet kit anymore. I'm not talking "out of stock" here, it's not even on the website.
>>46941400
Dakkajet kit was £27.50, new one is £40.
Anyone got a PDF of Angels of Death and/or Index Astartes Apocrypha yet?
>>46941267
>Half the Flyers in the game losing Skyfire
>Somehow a bad thing for FMCs
>>46941115
Why waste your command squad shooting? Let your platoon commander fire it
>>46941301
>Squishy
How can 30 hullpoints possibly be squishy?
>>46941420
>£40 for like one extra sprue
And fucking dropped.
GW can suck a dick, every Ork player should just pick up a cheap dakkajet and convert it
>>46941400
So that's a £13 price hike on the ork fliers. Great.
I see the stormtalon's disappeared off the webstore too, but marine players only get a compulsary £6 price hike.
>>46941430
Cuz everything is nerf to nids. Poor us, right?
I have a bit of a dilemma, /40kg/.
I want to play Space Marines, but I just cannot decide which chapter I want to do.
I love the Imperial Fists and their Chapter Tactics seem great to me, but am told that yellow is hard to do right, especially for a beginner, and I can't decide on which sucessor to do.
The Crimson Fists are cool, but for some reason their color scheme turns me off, and I don't know why.
Anyone have any recommendations?
>>46940754
But a Razorwing has the supersonic rule (Flat out 18"-36") already!
>>46941420
WHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY GAMES WORKSHOP?! HAVE YOU NOT MADE MY WALLET SUFFER ENOUGH ALREADY?!
FOR YEARS YOU HAVE DOZENS OF MULTIKITS FOR IMPERIAL PLAYERS, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND PULL THIS SHIT ON US ORK PLAYERS! WHY!? YOU COULD MAKE MORE MONEY DOING THIS WITH THE IMPERIALS ANYWAYS!
>>46941437
Command squad casts Ignores cover/Tank hunter on itself so those 4 S7 shots actually get work done.
>>46941443
Because you never snap fire at it, skyfire or not.
40 hull points vanish incredibly fast when people can just melta it to death at full BS, adding all the fun of low AP weapons against the already shitty vehicle damage on top of some delightful Crash And Burn results.
So yes, it is squishy as fuck, ESPECIALLY considering how many points it costs.
>>46941484
Look at other Fists successors
>>46940800
1 Vendetta
1 Voss pattern lightning
1 Storm eagle
1 avenger strike fighter
3 razorwing jetfighters
1 voidraven bomber
2 nightwings
1 vampire hunter
1 Lynx (they have flyer as unit type, but act like skimmers)
>>46941437
Because bullshit IG orders.
IG are basically Tau, just with vehicles instead of suits. If you rely on cover of any kind, you are fucked against either of them.
>>46941498
Oh goody, more time spent in ongoing reserves. Maybe we should play 1500-2000 point games on apocalypse tables so there's enough room for the fliers.
>>46941500
STFU and go buy 4 new flyers, piggy...
>>46941484
Look at this guy. He has a differently colored facemask. It's amazing, isn't it?
>>46941516
>I can't decide on which successor to do.
Pretty sure that implies that anon did look at them.
playing dark crusade for the first time, which army do i campaign with fatguys?
>>46941563
>£160
Dayum.
>>46941563
Shut up GW, I'm only buying 1 from you and 2 from ebay.
But seriously, imagine the cash GW could make if you had to buy the sprues for every single vehicle based on the Rhino every time you wanted to buy a Rhino.
What's the cheapest way to get a Barracuda into my list? The detachment I'm using doesn't allow it (obviously) but I don't want to lose the benefits I get if I switched to a combined arms unit.
>>46941540
>IG are basically Tau
Then why don't IG armies win any major tournaments?
I'm seriously asking, trying to netlist with IG is fucking hard, but my meta is super hardcore to.
>>46940673
I come bearing gifts brothers
Gifts suitable for theAngels of Deaththemselvesmega:///#fm/JdFg0DaI
>>46941619
thanks heretic
>>46941612
Because vehicles suck in the current edition.
>>46941592
I would've kinda liked it.
Wouldn't have had to go to recasters to get my sprues.
Plus side, once I'm done, my 9 rhinos can be any Space Marine vehicle.
Although upgrade sprues should really be a thing and sold separately.
>>46941619For those having trouble with mega
https://www.mediafire.com/?uodgey55g042gds
I don't really care for that new flying DLC. You guys?
>>46941159
I never got what's so great about them. Just some of S5 and S7 dakka. With the position of the turrets it's not like it's even getting to fire its guns all at the same target.
>>46941697
I'll be buying flyers. Just like how people bought knights. Ive always like planes though.
>>46941540
>IG is basically Tau with vehicles instead of suits
Have you heard of MC spam? JSJ troops? GC heavy support choice? Riptide Wings? OSC? Useful formations?
I get that you have lost a few frustrating games to IG, but dont go full retard because of it.
>>46941697
I guess I'm gonna be using the skyfire manticore and Vendetta in every list now. Fuck your Jet fighters
>>46941697
Don't worry, anon. By 8th it's in the core rules. Best to get used to it now.
>>46941658
So then, IG arent 'basically Tau with vehicles'.
Dont insult the Imperial Guard by comparing them to the 'my first army' weeb easy-mode-point-click-delete codex.
>>46941540
>IG are basically Tau
That's true, only vehicles are way worse than monsters and their 'suits' can't use marker lights.
So in other words, balanced.
>>46941733
The BS5 (including Strafing Run) TL Avenger Bolt-Cannon fucks up MEQ's like none other, and I like to bring them armed with Reaper Batteries, Hellstrike Missiles, and Malefic Ammunition for MAXIMUM FUCK for pretty much all targets.
Also, have that thing shoot the fuck out of a squad or MC, then park it less than 6" from the unit. If you've got a Dirge Caster, that decimated unit now can't fire OverwatchThis kills the Riptide.
>>46941697
What is this a sprue of
I need it right this very second
>>46941858
The bottom of the image says chaos terminators champs on the tray
>>46941592
>I'm only buying 1 from you
That's a good Goyim...
>>46941903
Unless they pop up on eBay or my LFGS for cheaper. [INSERT OBNOXIOUS SMILEY FACE HERE]
>>46941061
>Rubric Marine
>psychic ability
>cognizant
That's not how that works.
>>46941944
>astra militarum
Next you'll tell me there's no such thing as a Chevy Malibu.
>>46941498
that rule is probably going away if flyer speed is becoming a listed stat.
>>46941757
>/tg/
>playing 40k
No. We mathammer, moan about X and Y and fund recasters. That's all we do. Oh and then moan GW are dying cause they're losing money which is totally not our fault, but theirs!
>>46941000
>>46941022
>>46941081
>>46941090
>>46941102
Move away, Imperial maggots.
Coolest flyer coming through.
>>46941237
Just like on tabletop then!
>>46941976
>blaming the consumer for not buying shit product
Okay then, shill.
>>46941612
This >>46941658
If vehicles were as good as MCs, IG would stomp all over the place.
A change in the core rules could easily flip the tables, because they do the same shit. Easy access to ignores cover, lots of special weapons, and tons of high strength pie plates.
It is only the platform that these are present on (weaksauce infantry and papertanks) that are holding IG armies back.
>>46941190
>Multimelta firing like a heavy flamer
Disgusting. His Tau one was better.
I like the fact the reloader thing on the top has a hat.
>>46940800
I'm ready!
I don't own any flyers, however I do own an imperial bunker with an attached quadgun, a knight with an icarus autocannon, and two onagers with icarus arrays.
>>46941993
Did you daughter design that? Cause it looks like something a 5-year-old would come up with.
>>46942013
It's a joke, anon
>dont buy from GW
>Gw raise prices
>don't buy from GW
>less models made
>waah why are no models made! fuck you GW
>GW doesn't produce
Etc. Then GW dies, which then comes to t he ultimate question. Why did you buy in the first place? Why not get Infinity or Warmahordes?
Then again you use the word shill, a word that's lost all meaning on 4chan and comes primarily from /v/. Where pirating is great and it's the developers fault for pirates existing.
Whelp. This thread is full of poop posting already. I'll come back when it's better. It won't be, but I pray for pre-2011 /tg/....
>>46942053
>>46941757
Oh god, not the whiny IG players.
I swear, these guys become the definition of butthurt whenever someone claims anything is even remotely viable in their army.
He just said both armies have easy access to cover ignoring shit, which the do. Now fuck off, and go back to wanking to your pathetic HFY threads.
>>46940800
>Are you ready for Winghammer 40k?
yES, i Happen to like flyers and skimmers.
>how many fliers do you own?
4.
1 Xiphon
1 Caestus
2 Stormtalons
Are any other SM flyers worthwhile, outside the Fire Raptor?
>>46942053
grandpa, your alzheimer's is getting pretty bad
pre-2011 /tg/ was in many ways worse than the current iteration
>>46941102
You mean a space A-10.
Ugly, powerful, more dakka than any 2 other planes.
>>46940800
Yes. I have enough Broadsides, Crisis, Riptides, Ghostkeels, Stealth Suits, and even a Tidewall Gunrig to ruin someone's game. Now, I only need to find out if my Sunshark will be worth something along wtih a new Razorshark.
>>46942078
This.
Probably the whiniest faction that is useable
>>46941061
Okay
>space marine apothecary becomes obsessed with studying xenos biology
>he keeps many specimens and conducts experiments on them
>he is secretly seeking to use xenos properties to increase the healing and instant scarring properties of his brothers.
>on a certain mission he finds a unique xenos and he wants to disects it and examines it.
>The creature appears to be decaying, but he notices it has the properties he was looking for, as it heals from each cut he attempts on it
>what he doesn't know is that the xenos creature has been given this power from nurgle.
>he creates a vial of the creature's fluids but needs a test subject. He tests it on fallen marines brought back from battle dead.
>they begin to rise and reanimate as zombie marines controlled by nurgle.
>he soon realizes that they take his orders directly as well.
>the apothecary has let things get too out of hand now, and he decides to devote himself to nurgle and take himself and his zombie marines on adventures
>>46941920
>Implying they will
>>46940800
2 Fliers, may need to dust of my aegis, too
1 Razorwing
1 Voidraven
>>46942095
No, I mean a space cobra. Vulture's a VTOL built to support valkyries and paratroopers.
Space A-10 would be the Avenger.
Thunderbolt is a space P-51.
>>46942041
You're a shill because you're blaming GW's declining revenue on us, the consumer, instead of blaming it on the company that has constantly treated it's own consumers with contempt and utterly squandered their, previously, overwhelming market share.
>>46941510
My experience with Manta's have been "Oh shit, it's shooting!" or "Oh shit, it's dropping a gorillion double plas/flamers suits behind my front line!".
Signed, the anon that had to face the Tau alliance and their 3 Mantas (and lost to them a dozen times, save once).
>>46942028
Ha.
The Hellblade is just to awesome for your puny little eye.
Behold one of the faster fighter in the galaxy, one that is so quick, so violent and so corrupt it can barely stays in our reality (and have actual rules for that).
It can be your if you just stop worshiping the dead corpse you call the Emperor.
>>46940800
1
I have 4 FMC thoughOnly 2 are Flyrants
>>46942196
Let it come, we are ready, sir!
>>46942157
We'll see, games jewshop, we'll see.
>>46942196
If the Emperor's already dead why do you keep trying to kill him?
Checkmate Chaosfags.
Imperial Cult 1 - Ruinous Powers 0
>>46941540
Yep, IG are like tau if IG could give orders to its tanks to ignore cover or shoot better, ogryns are decently costed and could fly, our heavy weapon teams didn't have to stop to fire at full bs, our transports could ignore 100% of difficult terrain, our vehicles could jink, have access to fortifications that only IG could use in any context and no other faction could make use of and could move, and our deathstrike missile launcher fired 4 D str missilesw\ that could fire on the first turn.
EXACTLY
LIKE
THE
TAU
How do I take Skitarii as a allied detachment ? They have no HQ choice...
Do I have to take a maniple or is one single squad enought ? (since the squad leader counts as a "HQ")
>>46941444
>>£40 for like one extra sprue
>
>And 5 extra Mek Gun armaments.
>>46942408
Maniple or bust.
>>46942348
>Pathfinders point two lasers at an enemy and all their cover is gone
>Senior officer yells at a unit and all their cover is gone
Seems pretty similar to me f a m.
>>46942083
Lies. Nostalgia says otherwise!
>>46941694
>>46941619
Thank you
>>46942177
>shill
There is that word again. not that faggot but use google, friend, it'll explain what the term means.
>>46942460
I for one do not miss the sergals and scat spammers.
>>46942423
>Pathfinders point two lasers at enemy unit
>Riptide gets to ignore cover
>Skyray missle ship gets to ignore cover
>Hamerheads get to ignore cover
>Ta'unar gets to ignore cover
>all aircraft get to ignore cover
>Senior officers yell orders
>a bunch of str 3 ap- gets to ignore cover
>a stationary lascannon/missle launcher/heavy bolter can ignore cover
>Ogryns can ignorecover
Kys
>>46941420
>tfw just bought a dakkajet kit for my burna bomber
That was a close one.
>>46942477
>an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.
Sounds pretty good to me.
>>46942479
There was also more prominent good content and discussion alongside the bad.
Difference is, the bad is still around, and just as prominent as it used to be due to leakage from other boards. You didn't have /v/b/pol/int/ shitposting back then, as many fail quests, the lack of creative content.
>>46942491
>Entire Tau army gets ignores cover for free
>Entire IG army gets ignores cover for free
You first.
>>46942491
>>Pathfinders point two lasers at enemy unit
1 hits
Noone gets to ignore cover.
>>46942517
>>Entire IG army gets ignores cover for free
Are you actually retarded?
>>46942517
Anon, you aren't winning this argument.
Tau can get it faster, easier, on more quality units that are likely to dish out considerable punishment.
You are arguing they both CAN do it, everyone else is saying that Tau get it better, have better units to capitalize.
>>46942518
>>46942517
>>46942423
>>46941540
Wow, look at all these high placing Imperial guard armies at tournaments
If flyers become more common, will there be more manpads for basic infantry?
>>46942419
Well fuck me, I don't want a second vanguard squad.
Oh well, I don't have much of a choice.
>>46942547
The original point was that taking cover against both tau and imperial guard was useless because of easy access to ignores cover retard. Not that Tau and Imperial Guard are on the same tier. Learn to read.
>>46942518
>>46942517
Reason why people hate Tau players.
>This mid tier codex can do it
>Tau must be equal to it in all aspects
>tau is a mid tier codex
>>46942553
>Pathfinders get velocity trackers for their railgun rifles.
>>46942553
Flakk Missiles
>S7 Ap4
>10 points in addition to the 15 of a missile launcher
Yeah, no.
>>46942580
Guard cant fucking ignore cover on every unit you fuckwad.
>>46942516
>You didn't have /v/b/pol/int/ shitposting back then
You absolutely did, though.
>There was also more prominent good content and discussion
That's just because you have a rosy-tinted memory, gramps. You always had to wade through a whole truckload of shit to get any good.
Now we just have labels for the shit.
>>46942616
Oh sorry my mistake your precious leman russes can't ignore cover, just every other unit in the army.
>>46942625
Im sorry that your "worthless" hammerheads and other much stronger shit can.
>>46942553
>25pts for one shot that can be jinked
>>46942625
Nor can vendetta/valks (yet), sentinels, hellhound varians, artillery variants (ans the already capable two).
You might just say "Oh sorry my mistake, only your infantry can ignore cover".
>>46940800
>Are you ready for Winghammer 40k
Yes, I always pack more AA in my list than I should so this doesn't worries me.
>how many fliers do you own ?
1 Helldrake and 1 Burna Bommer
>>46942577
You can always take the Dominus Maniple.
>>46942644
>implying I play tau
Faggot
>>46942675
>What is emperors wrath artillery battery
>What are artillery carriages
>Hellhounds/banewolves are flamer templates and ALREADY IGNORE COVER
>Sentinels can get heavy flamers
>>46942580
I never claimed they were the same tier, but having to pass a leadership test and have a gear tax for a heavy weapon squad to hit you isn't the same as every unit in the army shooting at the marked unit ignoring cover.
For IG, it's occassionally useful.
For Tau, it's a force multiplier.
Your post implied that just because both armies can do it, it is the same. It's not.
>>46942616
>I'll take Divinations for 500, Alex.
>>46942704
Yep, IG tanks/walkers are on par with tau because they use flamer templates. Well memed friend! Also the basilisk being a decent unit? wow. Good catch, friend! :^)
>>46942713
Who the fuck is alex and why are you shitposting at him every day.
>>46942744
>S9 AP3 ignores cover large blast is bad
![13101112_10153641630438546_896903948_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Lla5g2o.jpg "13101112_10153641630438546_896903948_n[1].jpg")
So what do you guys think about it ? I like the look, sort of a mix between A-10 and Hind-D.
>>46942713
>Thinking you can attach a psyker to a vehicle
>Being this retarded
>>46942769
An model thats extremely squishy and can be taken out before the next turn?
>>46942773
the wings are still way too stubby, but I do dig the cockpit change
That's the thing to remember about Stormtalon: It's not a plane, it's a futuristic attack helicopter with extremely minimised propellers.
>>46942773
how do you see out of it? is it a flying dreadnought?
>>46942185
The win was with Creed and the Warhound?
![99120101095_NephilimJetFighter360[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hDKfFfb.jpg "99120101095_NephilimJetFighter360[1].jpg")
Is... is it going to finally be useful ?
>>46942809
I mean if you wanna be retarded and deploy your basilisk on the front line go ahead and complain when it gets destroyed in 1 turn.
It has barrage and insane range for a reason.
>but muh drop pods
Deploy it in a corner and bubble wrap it with a conscript squad.
>>46942773
I like the look, but I'll probably replace the armored cockpit with the stormtalon's clear canopy.
Also, I really hope Fighters can still attack ground targets, because this fucker is loaded for messing up medium vehicles.
>>46942826
I count at least 4 sensor banks
>>46942826
Perhaps the inside of the cockpit uses video feed display from various cameras mounted on it ? Why have glass in front of you when you can have a 360 vision.
I miss playing 40k, but every time I try to get back into it, everyone I have to play with reminds me of why I quit.
Shameless netlisting and no fun allowed gametypes.
>>46942577
Always take the Get Started box.
Dominus
Vanguard
Crabbot
>>46942843
In a board that is 6x4, do you really think that the basilisk is really going to make use of its range? Unless you are play APOC, there is no instance where the basilisk can play its intended role of a long range support option.
>>46942843
Don't be retatded, the range doesn't do shit. Every army is going to be able to touch the basilisk just as easy as the basilisk can touch it.
I wish they wouldn't preface every SM flyer with "Storm".
>>46942843
>TLoS editions
>expecting a bassy to survive
Russes are the most popular tank for a reason.
>>46942831
The warhound pack, actually.
Ah, the glory days of my playing 40k!
Right now, the only good game I can get is from 30k.
>they hate my Spiritual Liege, but fuck them, they can remain jelly as hell of my swagger
>>46942922
I wish they wouldn't preface every Ork flyer with "shit"
>>46942553
Probably not.
>>46942611
>Trusting a Fire Caste Tau with a high-recoil, high-weight weapon against a fast-moving target
Literally no practical reason to not use missiles instead.
>>46942922
But they haven't released the Stormraven update box.
Once released it will be able to build the Attack Flyer (Stormraven) or the Bomber (Stormfalcon)
>>46942857
>>46942859
Not him, but that's been bothering me, too. The first camera is turret-mounted and therefore useless for navigation. The two over the wing guns give false perspective and have poor angles. The two on the side have a convergent field of view, which indicates that they're for ground targetting. The thing's got target identification for days, but no real way of actually navigating by sight. Also, it's supposed to be a fighter, yet you cannot actually see above or to the side with any of those cameras.
I'm pretty sure there's a very angry techmarine in there, shoving his face up to that slot and cursing the people who decided to cover the cockpit in ceramite.
>>46943048
AP1
With GW publicly eating crow, and taking steps toward fixing the steaming pile of shit that is Age of Sigmar - do you guys think they will do something similar with WH40k? As in, does this suggest the possibility Games Workshop is realizing the importance of balance?
Or is it just them performing CPR on a stillborn game? Because Hastings' latest info tells us AoS sales are lower than pre-End Times WHFB. Which has to sting pretty bad I would think.
>>46943048
You are right. Give them an anti-aircraft missile turret.
>>46943202
I am hoping they will realize the depths of their error, but I would not get invested in the idea. Do they even retain enough actual game designers to balance 40k?
>>46943048
Ion Rifles would make more sense. They're already using them on their aircraft
>>46943202
8th edition will be a return to form
More of a focus on making rules that work
After all, if we look at AOS which is a solid ruleset but needed points values... I doubt GW will shoot their money making universe in the head by screwing up the rules release that was 7th.
Please keep in mind 7th edition was a quick release due to copyright issues. We can also blame to old, useless CEO.
>>46942922
Fireraptor Gunship
>>46943290
>After all, if we look at AOS which is a solid ruleset
Lazy trolling, 1/10 for effort.
>>46943281
Ion Rifles have the same problem. It's not a matter of weapon, it's a matter of Tau Fire Warriors just not possessing the muscle-mass, depth-perception or accuracy to strike at aircraft with weapons relying entirely on their aiming prowess. Works slightly better on a Battlesuit where you can tell the computer what to do if it has access to velocity tracking data, even a basic computer is magnitudes better at accurately shooting a constant-velocity/acceleration target than the best of biological soldiers.
>>46943345
Ive heard that Tau have better eye sight then humans, its just humans have better reflexes and can focus on objects faster.
>>46943331
For a game, AOS has clean and simple rules that work well.
The lack of point values and force composition were big black marks for it though.
>>46943371
Depends on what you mean by better. Tau eyesight is better at passive detection due to a wider range of EM-bands they can detect, but worse at active detection or tracking due to a few minor problems with focusing and depth-perception.
>>46943387
>For a game, AOS has clean and simple rules that work well.
Seriously, you aren't even trying. You need to voice an opinion someone might plausibly actually have.
>>46943290
>AoS is a solid ruleset
A goblin can wound a dragon just as easily as the strongest unit in the game. There is no resl difference between unit types, its in name only. Every AoS game ever ends the same way: both armies in a big melee. Thats just to start.. Im guessing you've never played AoS, or WHFB for that matter?
>>46943321
Literally who?
>>46943345
Ion rifles ray probably fires particles at the speed of light. The railrifle probably fires hypersonic projectiles. I'm sure a velocity tracker can calculate the optimal time and do the rest.
>>46943454
If you don't know what a fireraptor is, then YOU are the idiot here, anon, not the other guy is listed the best SM flyer in the game, and is in the running for best overall.
>>46943458
Exactly, which is why I said it's not a matter of what weapon you're using. Give a soldier as much numbers on his helmet-HUD as you want, the fact of the matter is he still feels the weight of the weapon, he still shoots like a biological soldier. A computer would have a much, much easier time, but would fall short on straight projectiles if the target's speed or acceleration is fluctuating, making missiles the best choice once again.
>>46943241
>balance 40k
>>46943419
I'm not talking about nor did I mention it being realistic, just that the ruleset works well from a mechanical point of view.
>both armies in a big melee
Isn't that what some people want in a fantasy battle?
>>46943454
Fire raptor Gunship
>>46943241
retain? They had any, ever?
>>46943497
Calm down, mate, I was just highlighting it's rarity in an offhand not terribly serious manner.
>>46943527
Fair enough. Just so long as WotC does not buy them...
>>46943550
So is a caestus, but that doesn't mean they aren't great shit.
>>46943506
Impossible.
It would require a bottom up retool of the entire system.
For example, SMs would need to be changed from the boots up to do what they are supposed to do compentently.
Eldar, by rote, are always on top of whatever edition they have been updated to for the last 30 years for a reason.
Guard have always been whipping boys for similar reasons.
>>46943592
I never said anything about the quality of the flyers, but that loads of them are called "Storm-somethings".
wew la
>>46942832
>S6, S5
>170pts
Probably not.
>>46943582
Honestly I wouldn't mind this, but I think GeeDubs is still just a little too big for WotC to swallow easily,
>>46943592
>Impossible.
Nah
Fix terrain rules
Rework assault to be less shit
Change psyhic phase to something more like fantasy 8th edition and rework problem powers, such as invisibility
Revert FMC rules to 6th edition ones
Rework vehicle damage table (2d6?)
Change stomp attacks and D weapons to be less bullshit
Nerf grav guns (which are in the BRB, so that's easy)
Address minor issues with codex FAQ's
Done, full update with less bullshit
>>46941848
Well the CHAOS version, of course is a different thing.
>>46940800
>how many fliers do you own
Im actually pretty interested in those flyer only missions they mentioned
>>46943592
Sometimes I wonder how many people will actually play Eldar if they weren't the strongest faction through the generations.
I know there are actually Eldar fans, but I doubt they are that many.
>>46943696
It sounds kinda like a new board game, with hidden maneuvering cards like X-wing
>>46941796
REEEEEEEE REEEEEE MARKERLIGHTS REEEEEE
>>46943655
And still doesn't do anything about the codice issues I mentioned.
Seriously, anon, for 30 YEARS, Eldar have been on top, far and away. That isn't because of anything you mentioned. SM, until recently, have always been bottom or mid-low. IG NEVER had a strong dex outside 5e. Chaos dexes have always been outrageously swing, Nids were always mid tier with a few strong singular builds, as are Tau. Crons were mid at best until recently.
Things in your list, like grav, were introduced directly to bolster flagging forces and to counter the wealth of AP2/3 that other armies had, the same reason storm shields came to be because assault terminators were shit.
>>46942773
I like it, but I do have a thing for tri-barrelled guns.
>>46940800
>2 Night/Doom Scythes
I am so not looking forward to seeing a bunch of fliers. Mostly play my Ravenwing and its anti-air does not exist. If I bring my own flier in the Strike force the rest of the Strike force have to go into reserves (even if they all auto-arrive turn two with outflank). The only formation that lets my DA bring fliers is 500pts for 2 Jetfighters and the Talon.
Originally I was considering the 500pt formation to just slap onto my 2500pt list for 3k games but depending on these rules I may be forced if fliers become all important.
>>46942886
Unless you got the misprint in which case you take the inferior Rangers.
>>46943697
picked eldar because I liked the lore and look before knowing the rules.
which is why I run aspect warrior heavy army.
The other guy who mains eldar in the area is the same but with ulthwe. There is guy who collect an eldar army for power, pure cheese list.
>>46943345
IIRC weirdly there's fluff stating that the tau are planning on giving every fire warrior a rail rifle.
>>46943697
People would, they are a very unique faction in the game, the most unique in terms of models and presention, imo.
>>46940800
One Avenger Strike fighter I got from a friend that needs some seirous work done and one b-25 bomber kit to be turned into a marauder destroyer.
>>46943827
There not that unique in terms of 40k where every faction is fleshed out pretty well. Different? Yes. Unique? As far as the term "Space Elves" goes.
>>46943655
You really don't even need that much work on the core rules. You'd need to scrub some of the bullshit from individual codexes (mostly formation bonuses and a couple army-wide special rules) and fix a couple of the core rules.
Terrain is mostly fine. Assault can be fixed by allowing assault from transports and out of deepstrike, with the addition of difficult and maybe dangerous terrain tests (at least for DS). Melee weapon pricing also needs to be totally redone. The psychic phase isn't too bad, but invisibility needs to go. FMC rules are workable. Vehicle damage needs a complete overhaul. D weapons don't need to be reworked, they need to be as rare as their power would suggest. Grav guns just need a points increase. They're a neat idea but get out-of-hand because their only drawback is salvo, yet they're easily available on relentless platforms. There's no minor issues with FAQs because they don't fucking FAQ anything. They just need to start doing their jobs.
>>46943752
Eldar can be fixed pretty easily by a non-retarded codex update. Very little of their codex is overpowered, just gratuitously undercosted. Blade storm and battle dance need to change. Wraithguard with d weapons is offensive and stupid. Other than that, if they just had to pay prices that would make sense in any other codex, they'd be fine. Probably on the strong side, but acceptable.
>>46941931
He's barely cognizant, and still physically a Rubric Marine (as in there's nothing inside his armor but dust). A sliver of his personality just happened to stay behind, and his life is basically a muddy-watered existence most of the time until he starts to shoot things and remember who he is.
The Rubric was, for him at least, a partial success. He's nowhere near as powerful as a Sorcerer, and he's still capable of some thought unlike regular Rubric Marines - he's a hybrid bastard who is both and yet neither at the same time.
Hypothetical question:
How would you fix codexes? As it stands each codex has 16+ units with hundreds of options, and precisely one correct build. How can we mesh fluff and crunch?
>>46943857
they're*
>>46943752
>the same reason storm shields came to be because assault terminators were shit.
stormshields were a thing in second edition, mate.
>>46943697
I'd been debating between Marines and Eldar when I first went to an FLGS to get into 40k
If Striking Scorpions had been there I would have went with Eldar
>>46943627
>s7, s9
>175pts
>TL jink, rerolls vs other flyers and BS5 vs ground
>bad
nah
>>46943387
>For a game, AOS has clean and simple rules that work well.
>The lack of point values and force composition were big black marks for it though.
Nobody plays AoS, AoS is going so bad that it makes fantasy battles look like 40k on sellings.
>>46943881
Factions can only play againstthemselves
>>46943881
Rehire Matt Ward and force him to rewrite every codex.
>>46943881
>precisely one correct build
That's wrong though. All of the top-tier armies have a glut of strong options. The internal balance could be improved by nerfing a few key units, but generally everything has a function and can fit into a force.
I think internal balance is very important to focus on. Having a wide array of playable options is in some ways more important than having raw power in one or two units.
See Tyranids for a good example. Flyrants are pretty high tier, but it doesn't matter because the rest of the book is trash.
>>46943881
>precisely one correct build
So for it to be a wargame where there's any merit to doing decent list building, there will end up being one or very few 'top' builds for a single codex.
To mesh crunch and fluff better, the variance between top and mid/bottom builds for codices needs to be smaller, but doing this with interesting and different units in an asymmetrical balance scenario is a crazy difficult proposition.
>>46943868
>Eldar can be fixed pretty easily by a non-retarded codex update. Very little of their codex is overpowered, just gratuitously undercosted
Anon, have you ever read what RT Eldar could do? 2e?
It's not about costs, it's the fact their basic gear is just flat out BETTER than other armies' equivalents, on top of having the best format for the game's core design. You speak as though it is a "new" problem, when it's actually a problem as old as 40k.
>>46943886
And were not what they were in 5e.
>>46943930
This, honestly.
His shit worked, it's just idiots were too busy howling.
>Flyers will be getting an updated book
>Remora drones and Barracudas are Forgeworld so they won't get anything
damn
>>46940800
A Stormraven, two Stormtalons, a Xiphon and a Stormeagle Roc. Also, an unassembled Caestus that's been gathering dust for about two years by now.
I plan on getting one or two of the new Stormhawks, but I think I am fairly well prepared for aircraft shenanigans.
>>46943857
they actually have quite a bit beyond space elves. The aspect warrior and wraith fluff are both go beyond the basic 'space elf'.
While I won't argue that they are way above the depth of most of the other armies, there is stuff to latch onto and find cool other than just space elves.
>>46943886
In name, yes, but that's where the similarity ends. A 4++ in melee is significantly different from a 3++ all the time. The massive buff was a result of terminators always getting fucking annihilated by higher-initiative units like banshees.
>>46943881
Honestly, the easiest way (and cheapest) would be to open up the floor to players. The majority of your suggestions are going to be either stupid or cheese, but a basic user rating system, combined with a couple minimum wage interns to sift, would likely yield quite a few decent ideas. Fixing 40k is a huge task that will require a lot of discussion, something GW is unwilling to do (or pay for). Outsourcing it and skimming the best ideas (perhaps rewarding people whose ideas make it into the final draft) would solve this. Paying people costs money. Throwing free shit at your players costs you as much as the plastic it's made from.
>>46943959
Well it's appropriate, because if you order a barracuda from forgeworld you won't get anything either.
>>46943986
GW's problem with balance is less the willingness to spend money, it's a almost fetishistic desire to keep everything in house and involving as few people as possible.
So even the minor change of the facebook page is the sign of a seachange. It's a small thing, but's to the principle that is one of the biggest sources of their problems.
Would an aggressive IG army that uses heavy flamer sentinels and double flamer vets work or would hellhounds work better for that
This is a theoretical for a fun army not a good one.
>>46943697
most eldar fans i know are pissed eldar are the way they are because they cannot play games with them
>>46943956
Yes, they have always been good (disregarding edition lags). However, they have rarely been the absolute best in the game. Chaos and Necrons both gave them a damn good run for their money in earlier editions. There's really nothing wrong with their basic gear being better; it's part of their fluff. However, there is something wrong with the fact that it costs them nothing to field it. Eldar are capable of fielding an army with model counts on par with everyone else, despite having better shit and being a dying race. Unit limitations and significant price hikes would fix most of the problems that don't have "wraith" in the name.
They do have systemic advantages, but a lot of what's made them good over the years isn't that, but GWs insistence on giving them a few single pieces of absolute bullshit wargear. Currently, they have d weapons and scatter lasers everywhere. Last time around, they had crystal targeting matrices. If you take away their top 5%, they're simply really good instead of obnoxiously overpowered.
>>46944089
if it's for a fun army why are you asking if it will work ?
>>46944089
Hellhounds for sure
>>46943697
>Strongest.
I I wanted strongest I wouldn't field a fill a full rainbow of Aspect warriors lead by an Autarch and Avatar.
The only jet bikes I have are my spears, I haven't fielded a psyker even once and the only "Wraith" i own is a lord.
If i don't get turn one or get caught in the open and have to eat shots with my T3, I will be hurting.
>>46944123
Because I still want to win, dingus. A truly fun army should be threatening or you're just showing off models.
What's a good stsrting list for a Guard army?
I currently have the Start collecting box and the 5 pack of guardsmen, what should I get to expand my army?
>>46944094
Years ago, I considered playing Eldar because they had some units that I really enjoyed the style of and couldn't find anywhere else. I proxied one game and decided against it (because I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, not for any game reason). I ran an army with every unit I liked the idea and fluff of. It was comprised entirely of warlocks, war walkers, and wraithguard. When 7th rolled around, I was suddenly extremely grateful for my decision.
I'm sure there's quite a few Eldar players who really just enjoyed the idea of the army and bought in, either before or in ignorance of their current insanity. They spent a reasonable amount of time (most of 5th and the first half of 6th) being mediocre. Then, everything got flipped on its head and they almost can't build a bad army, even with units that used to be mixed to terrible. I feel very sorry for those people.
>>46944149
>I I wanted strongest I wouldn't field a fill a full rainbow of Aspect warriors lead by an Autarch and Avatar.
There was a point where this was one of the better foot armies you could field.
>The only jet bikes I have are my spears
Jet bikes just recently got awesome again. Back in the day, a jet bike crashed like a skimmer when taken out, complete with S5 small blast. A popular tactic was to park jet bikes right next to or above a unit to make them eat the blasts if they were shot down.
>>46944201
An anti-shrink ray.
