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http://strawpoll.me/4631475
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They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
FIRST
Happy ANZAC day you wonderful bastards
>>46897272
Most people just regard it as a three day weekend. Or they air their disgusting Political grievances like the Pencilsword fucker did.
I go to bed and you fuckers let the thread die.
I'm working on a tricolour soviet scheme, but I've got the issue that if I use green olive for the base paint (as I have done for a while) then it looks too dark with the brown, but I need a slightly lighter green...
what happened to the last thread?
>>46898516
The overnight hours for the US and Europe are always slow. Especially in a Sunday night/Monday morning.
>>46898412
What camouflage style are you trying to paint?
>>46898516
Winston Churchill sent it into battle against the Turks.
>>46897859
>Pencilsword
Here I was imagining something epic, because it's the home of Lord of the Rings for crying out loud, and it turns out that it's just some political cartoon...
I was imagining something epic, damn you! How can you take something as incredible sounding as a "pencil sword" and make it boring?
Damn Kiwis. :-p
So, what have people been up to lately?
I've gotten in a few blue-on-blue games of Team Yankee.
I believe they can be best summed up with the phrase "KLANG! 'What the fuck, was that?' ".
Everything in the American arsenal bounces off the front armor of an Abrams.
Also, Cobras really need to be where you need them to be at least a turn in advance.
And ITVs are almost useless on the attack, but excellent on defense.
As promised the bear is dead
>>46901138
that looks like a pretty straight break around it's neck... you didn't cut it did you?
If I were to write Good Night London on a V2 would it be Gut Naucht or Gutennaucht or something even more complicated? I don't trust good translate.
>>46901123
>>46901138
Nice work anon!
>the bear is dead
>more fuel for the war effort.
Total war is a hard thing indeed...
>>46901705
Native speaker here. It would be:
Gute Nacht London!
>>46901604
I slowly put a knife around his neck ...just so. And then I twisted his neck.
>>46901815
Danke herr duetschlander, my small amount of german learning from 5 years ago was failing me.
>>46901815
That sounds delightfully violent.
I am looking for some coloring answers.
in 83-85' were paladins painted up in 3 color nato merdc?
or just solid green as they were during Vietnam?
How do you guys resolve score-ties at the end of a (small) tournament? We only ended up with a turnout of six at the weekend, and there were three people tied for second place, all having won one, drawn one, and lost one, all with 10 points. I ended up ruling that the one who had scored a Round One win against the eventual victor came second, and made a rough "Strength of Schedule" ruling to pick third place, but it was approximate.
Are there any good methods other than "have more players"?
>>46904123
We count destoryed platoons through out the tournament
>>46901138
>>46901123
Gorgeous job!
>>46904123
Strength of schedule is a decent idea.
As is the points value of the platoons destroyed.
Thinking about making Soviet army from Berlin (including digital lists). Any recommendations for 1650 points list, with possible tournament use?
>>46903926
Ether way is fine but most during this period were plain green. Merdc wasn't that common. BF just picked it because it looked cool.
Posting some WIP.
Because these threads need more images.
>>46909263
The shelter/tent is a nice design, but personally I'd have gone with gauze to give more of a camo net look like this:
Fuck me m8.
French tanks look pretty fucking decent but the entire list seems like you can only take tanks which is a problem for keeping ground.
If i went with the "combat tanks", as opposed to "cavalary tanks" will i at least have enough staying power?
Anyone got experience? Those Char tanks are beastly for EW (more than i expected at least)
>>46909436
That is a nice look, eventually I might add some green stuff leaves and stuff to add some definition.
>>46909263
>glued before painting
>>46909544
Thing is, organic AT blows in EW for the most part, and the MGs and armour you have are pretty effective at holding ground from infantry, and against tanks you've got a good chance of fighting them off anyway.
Chars are pretty nasty, although recently there's more about that can kill them. Nothing cheap, though, for the most part.
Don't forget about panhards. They're good deals, and recon helps you a lot with digging stuff up.
>>46909656
>Implying I can't deal with the challenge.
>>46909747
Yeah i never gave much thought to the french. There is an often unfair tendency to think of germany as the kings of tank warfare but i've been reading a bit about the invasion of france and the germans paid a pretty high price and had to learn some pretty harsh lesson. I think FOW french actually do a good job of representing this, and looking at their lists im pretty much sold.
I won't forget the recce though.
>always
>bring
>recce
>>46907623
any ideas?
>>46910131
S-35s are actually a serious problem, they're 4/3/1, so they're pretty immune to a lot of early war guns. Char B1s can slap around a lot of infantry or gun platoons in assault thanks to their 6/5/2 profile.
>>46910320
Honestly, almost anything the Soviets have access to in Berlin is good.
Go with what appeals to you the most.
Do we not have Colours of War in the scan database or am I blind? I picked up two Open Fires to split with a buddy (hopefully) and was looking for a guide for british armor and working in 15mm in general.
>>46901123
Oy Blin! Using Ivan as bipod/meatshield, eh?
>>46910131
A way I've heard it said is that the French had better tanks, but the Germans had better tank divisions. At least in the sense that they made more efficient use of the tanks that they had. Lots of subtle stuff as well, like crew sizes, vision, etc.
>>46910458
Yeah, exactly. And S-35's are pretty cheap. B1s really fucked with me before Barbarossa, because at that stage all I had was pioneers and shitloads of Pak36s. Which are usually fine, but Chars don't care.
>>46911053
>hero heavy tank brigade
>good
Anon...
>>46907823
cool then i'm going straight green with mine.
now for my m113's.
i already built 2 up for my 1ic and fist (gunner hatch open for the 1ic transport)
and i realized the ACAV during vietnam with the turret 360 shield would be a much better setup. were the early/mid 80's m113's still equipped with these? or did they shrug it off as a vientam era only and start using them again during desert storm?
>>46912593
I did say "almost" anything.
>>46912593
To be fair, most people try to forget about those.
>ANZAC Day Edition
>>46909656
I do that always.
t.bearkiller
>>46907623
The Strelkovy list from the digital exclusive is one of the best Soviet LW infantry lists, mainly because you get all the awesome support toys, plus pzfausts to make your infantry harder to dig out.
>>46909544
>>46912503
Part of the problem with French tanks was stuff that doesn't show up well in paper stats - Abysmal visibility/situational awareness, horrific internal ergonomics, shortage of radios, and reliability that makes a Porsche look good.
FoW goes some of the way to representing it, but IMO doesn't quite showcase just how much of a goddamn physical nightmare french tanks were to operate.
>>46916410
That's exactly it. Same issue with tanks like the T-34.
>>46916410
If you're going to start penalising tanks for having horrible internal ergonomics then every time you moved a T-34 you'd have to roll a test to see if the driver can find his Gear changing hammer.
>>46916442
That's one of the key reasons they have HnC, though. It's literally the same rule as one man turret, except for the platoon wide effect.
>>46916442
>>46916436
>>46916410
The Greatest aspect of the Tiger's success was not just that it was a powerful heavy tank; it was that it was a Powerful heavy tank that was easy to drive and operate.
>>46912365
Colours Scanguy here...have fun m8t
>>46916260
thnx, how does this looks?
>>46912365
I still need to upload it.
Same with the Germans in Finland digital list.
I've got an amazing idea for my next army:Hohei Chutai painted like pic related
>>46920221
dew it
What is /FoW/s drink to have during a match? I prefer just water.
>>46920563
Personally, thanks to playing above a pub, I go for Cider, unless it's before noon, then it's barley water.
>>46916486
Check out the british motion studies. They're not very generous to the Tiger.
And before "Propoganda!!!", this is a post-war evaluation done in 1947.
>>46916436
>>46916442
This is largely untrue and gets less true the further away from 1941 you get.
>>46920563
Usually soda pop, candy, and anything else I can get my grubby hands on. I'm not in to immersion. You'll never see me sipping water droplets from an empty canteen.
I was told that FoW has rules for armored trains. What books do i need to get these rules and maybe some informations about them?
Thanks.
>>46921033
Early war Blitzkrieg and Barbarossa, I think there might be some in Eastern Front, Grey Wolf, and Berlin or Nachjager digital.
>>46917428
That looks pretty solid: I would put one PF with the small Company so they are not completely defenceless against tanks. I would also find points for eight 160mm mortars: six is false economy, lose one and you lose the double-template. Eight is much better and allows thm to take a few losses before becoming less effective
>>46916410
Everyone had radio shortages early in the war. The only reason American tanks didn't was because they were only beginning to get their wae production going when Paris was switching to a new form of puppet-state government.
The "shortage of radios" issue is one of the silliest things FoW tries to emulate, particularly because they don't give a shit about later years when there was no shortage.
>>46920563
definitely caffeine and soda.
i would swirl champagne from a glass, but i don't play french
i would swill beer but you need to be sober to play germans
i would drink piss but who the fuck wants to impersonate a russian?
>>46919150
You're slacking off Eagles...
>>46912853
More like less than half of what they have access to in Berlin...
The only Hero lists worth bothering with, are Cavalry, Engineer Sapper, and Strelkovy. The only other lists from Berlin worth playing, are non-Hero Strelkovy.
But the sad truth is, it's not like any actual effort was put into any of those lists. They just copy-pasted from Red Bear, tacked in a new unit or upgrade option, and slashed unit sizes for Hero lists.
>>46920563
Beer, usually a stout or porter; or coffee.
But I haven't player in over a year.
>>46921532
Thanks for the input!
Anyhow, how do you make Soviet Panzerfaust SMG team? Do you mix 1 guy with PF and 3 SMG guys on base, or is there some other ratio? can't seem to find the proper answer...
>>46921980
Yeah; the soviet lists are pretty shambolic in general. Which is a goddamn shame because there's so many places they could've done unique lists with cool special rules.
>>46922129
You can do any ratio you want really. What I did was I would mix it up and put 2 on some but the majority of mine have 1 guy.
>>46921722
Forgive me for having work and other real world responsibilities.
Flames of War is a hobby. Posting here on tg is a hobby. Recording and editing Panzerfunk is a hobby.
And sometimes those hobbies get put on hold to deal with real life stuff.
I'll get them uploaded soon. I've just been busier than expected the past few days.
>>46922150
Or hell, just some representation beyond "Red Army / not quite as suck Guards".
>>46923639
I'm still not over Naval infantry being strelk with -1 stand.
>>46924521
They don't even have tommy guns.
>>46925629
Why would Soviet infantry be using American SMGs?
>>46927884
This tiny thing that virtually no one has heard of called Lease-Lend.
>>46928008
Really?
I can understand the big stuff like tanks, halftracks, or jeeps, but I didn't think they'd be getting stuff like Thompsons.
>>46928096
Apparently the Soviets disliked the Thompson, preferring their own SMGs to it, citing excessive weight and lack of bullet penetration.
>>46928096
>>46928301
Well enough, but it would've been nice if one of the zillion people that sell 15mm soviet sailors gave them Thompsons.
>>46928096
They got everything. Bazooka, even. Kickstarted the development of the RPG-1.
>>46928096
The USA also sent, food, boots, trains, and all sorts of non-combat supplies that really helped the soviets. People really underestimate lend lease.
>>46929421
>Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.
>The United States gave to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil), 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.
Damn. That's just... damn.
>>46930139
dude we really helped the Soviets, it's unfortunate that people overlook it, do you have any idea how important those locomotives were?
Would a 82nd Airbourne list out of Market Guard be a good direction to take the allies halfs of two Open Fire boxes?
>>46930139
Lend-Lease was genius. Initially we planned to raise something like 100 divisions on top of what we ended with, but the Soviets did not fold so we simply handed over all the supplies we would have used for extra troops to them.
What's really weird is that they acquired bazookas about a year before the Germans did without giving a shit. There's a blurb in a memoir about them being used outside Moscow and then nothing appears for the rest of the war. My only explanation is that they lost them all before grasping that AT rifles were shit.
>>46931664
>Lend-Lease was genius.
Would have been easier if US back then wasn't so isolationist and "stay out of Europe's war" that they had to basically subvert the law to get supplies to the allies. Instead of just giving or selling them, they had to invent a whole program to get around policies of not giving or selling arms and materials to warring nations.
>>46931994
the American people really didn't want to go to war
so, /tg/ i'm currently moving, and that means packing up all my little FoW dudes.
13 cubic feet and counting, only about 2/3 done.
I officially have more space dedicated to toy soldiers than kitchen appliances/dishes
Also, 10 unopened box sets, and 21 unopened blisters.
Send help.
>>46931194
YES
do it. and be sure to add mortars at the very least
>>46931194
Um it might just be your only direction desu not that it's a bad thing.
>>46933190
If any of those are brits, I can send you a pre-marked shipping box that you can use to mail them to me.
>>46933358
Will do. What else should I expand into? I was thinking of hitting up hobby lobby for a cheap 1/144 Typhoon. I was also looking at Stuarts for recce.
>>46933379
There's also the 101st, plenty of British lists can take American paratroopers, and I think Overlord has something similar.
>>46933379
Well, the only american-command direction.
>>46931194
Yes. If you want to try a more tank-heavy option, there's also the British Armored Squadron (Guards or 11th armored), later in the same book (page 102).
>>46933382
Literally the only faction I don't have (other than Romanians)
Poor luck.
>>46931194
If you're looking to play Americans, then yes. Either the 82nd or 101st Airborne can be made with the things from Open Fire.
The main difference is the support options available to them.
The paratroopers themselves are pretty much the same between the two.
>>46933190
Please tell me everything is in foam or being bubble-wrapped.
Miniatures usually don't take well to the kind of man handling involved in moving any significant distance.
>>46934510
custom cut foam trays man.
I've probably spent more on foam than most people have on minis.
I dive a '91 sunbird with 200,000 miles and without any working windows.
Send Help.
>>46932572
fucking hippies
>>46933474
>Stuarts for recce
Don't know if the paras can get stuarts, they mostly used jeeps for recce
>>46937201
No, American Paras cannot take Recce Stuarts in Market Garden. They'd be British too because Market Garden.
>>46937363
I thought as much. Always look at the Force Org when thinking about what you want to take.
>>46937363
>because Market Garden
What made Battlefront think that Market-Garden was a good idea for a starter set?
From a game-play perspective it has units that can only be used together in that specific campaign.
You want to play only Americans? You can't use half the stuff in the box.
You want to play only British? Same thing.
They should have chosen one Allied Nation and went with that.
>>46939552
Bearing in mind that Battlefront's biggest market is the Yank market, it was probably a better idea for them to have done a all American Allied Box set. But then you'd have to deal with a lot of butthurt people who want the starter set but don't want to play Americans.
It's a compromise really. It's pretty elegant as things go.
>>46939734
Possibly it was also down to the plastics they had available at the time?
>>46939845
Not really.
Open Fire was their first real step into full-plastic kits.
>>46939734
>It's pretty elegant as things go.
I disagree. How many times do we get people asking about how to expand on Open Fire? Or if they can use the British Shermans as American Shermans? Etc.
>>46934575
>Send Help.
You could always hire professional movers.
>>46939899
Choices:
>Make sweet Yank Money.
>Deal with non-American and Anti-American-Wank complainers,
Or:
>Deal with neither and make money by forcing Allied Players to buy more boxes.
How do you guys pack up your minis? Tanks are easy, but what about troops? just stack them?
>>46940597
We'll all my stuff fits in to my Battlefoam Flames of War Army Kit Bag. Makes hauling an army around very painless.
>>46940597
Games Workshop Case pre-embuggerance of all Geedubs Cases.
>>46940597
I've got Feldherr foam trays to stick in a pair of carrying bags.
There are various companies that make foam trays, often available with proper-sized spaces for certain base sizes or typical vehicle sizes.
These are available in a wide range within the price/quality range, from fairly cheap but still decent enough (a variety of companies) to top dollar for top quality (Battlefoam in particular).
>>46940597
we have a panzerfunk episode about this....
forgot which one...it's about an hour in...
>>46941179
Episode 9, Act 3.
>>46928301
The tankers disliked the Thompsons, particularly the ones that came with the LL tanks. This was mostly due to the bulk and size of the thing, wheras their own SMG was easier to store and not as clumsy for the crew to use.
>>46935006
After WW 1, none of the allied nations really wanted to go to war. France fell specifically because the population fid not want another meatgrinder on their soil, turning it into an even bigger barren wasteland. People often lord over the great Blitzkrieg and circumvention of France's defences, but that war was over before the battle even started. The French had neither the motivation or the people's support for what they viewed as what could be another trench war.
Britain was even slow to respond and begin any kind of campaign. Instead they shuttled their forces out of France, and took any French soldiers back with them to Britain, and waited for Germany to invade.
The only nations that actually wanted to fight, were Germany, Japan, Italy, and minor nations like Hungary, Finland and Romania, who mostly wanted land back from Russia.
What ya think?
First time I tried to wather my tanks. Took some of my very first Fow models. The two stugs in the back are weathered the first one not yet.
>>46941894
*weather
and now from the front
>>46941894
>>46941941
Looks pretty solid.
>>46941894
>>46941941
I like it.
But then, my faded paint style is fairly similar to yours.
>>46941941
That looks pretty good.
Does anyone have any experience with KR trays for storage?
>>46944133
I think one of the namefags around here has used them, but I forget who.
>Searching for info on 15/19th hussars
>manage to find 380 page pdf of their history from '30-'45
Fuck yeah
>>46946522
Nice! I'm a deutschboo but most of the good lore is locked away in nazispeak books I can't understand very well.
>>46946522
typo, covers '39-'45
>>46947135
Yeah. Main thing so far is that it's helped me identify what artillery and infantry units were with them. Trying to find if they put numbers in their squadron markings or not gives me contradictory answers depending on where I look, and unfortunately this doesn't cover that. Still interesting to read.
>>46939734
Can't you just paint the shermans as US ones? they're just shermans after all
>>46948379
Technically they're a variant that was only produced for Lend-Lease.
That being said, other than the Fireflies, they could easily pass as US Shermans.
>>46948379
/Strictly Speaking/ no, they're Sherman Vs for export rather than the American marks. Plus they have fireflies which don't have a hull MG and the obviously longer barrel.
>>46948515
oh, I see. My set had the newer sprues so you could build all 75mms if you wanted (or all fireflies)
>>46944133
Not the namefag, but I use them, and like them.
Comments on list for the upcoming local tourney?
>>46948512
hahaha holy shit
>>46949378
That's kind of mad. I just can't tell if it's any good or not; my instincts are screaming at me that there just aren't enough team.
In exchange, would anyone be prepared to take a look at this list I pulled together for my brother? He wants to play mechanised, with Pz IVs and a Tiger. This seems like a possible way to do it.
>>46941894
It might just be me, but the weathering made it look like you left them on the shelf for a few years.
>>46949968
It's not bad, but you're over-spending on points by taking Fearless Veteran SS.
By going with a Confident Veteran list you could fit in more units.
FUNLAND
>>46955139
Aw yeah, I already own all of the support units for this. S35s incoming.
>>46949378
Looks pretty similar to what I run at 1750, but with IS-122s (meh) and Flame Tanks instead of standard T-34/85s and Zis-2s
>>46949968
>Fearless Vet MG teams in Halftracks
You like to suffer, don't you?
Some tidbits:
1.) disperse the Panzerfausts more evenly between your two infantry blocks.
2.) SS-Heavy platoons blow. spend the points on literally anything else.
3.) Biermeyer's panzers are actually really hard to use properly, be sure you know what you're doing.
4.) A lone tiger is more a liability than an asset.
5.) the SS-Scout platoon isn't my favorite recon option.
6.) You didn't take Strumtigers. This is literally the reason to play Totenkopf instead of another briefing.unless you personally hate jews or something.
My version of your list looks like this:
CHQ+2Fausts
Gepanzert + Faust + Faust
Gepanzert + Faust + Faust
2x Strumtiger (FA 12 ignores most guns, thank goodness because you're conscript!)
2x Platoons of Heavy SS-Panzerspah (2x 8-rads in each platoon)
2x Armored Quad AAs (I assume there's actually air in your meta, else ditch these for 2x Pak40s)
Either :
2x Tiger 1es (if you really love tigers)
Or
4x StuGs and a Pak40 in your Nebels (extra AT always good)
some shitty WIP
sad, how overly usefull those trucks are
>>46956881
something like this? Zis-2 are kinda strange there because red banner makes you AA so you'll probably be on the move most of time...
Guys I'm thinking of doing something stupid. Thinking about doing LW Hohei Chutai. JP rules suggest aggressive infantry tactics. Should they be FV rather than CT? Ill be honest, Ive never had any luck with CT infantry trying to move across a battlefield, let alone assault anything with a hope of the assault sticking and winning.
>>46961913
Well, CT japs could definetely work, with Night Attack and their crazy-ass morale rules.
>>46961913
Go FV or go home...
>>46961600
Remember: Soviet guns move 6" and here are rated Veteran. I would not leave home without them.
Even in Red Bear, where tanks have Hen & Chicks, Soviet guns are attractive with a 6" move and no H&C penalty. Thye can often move and fire more effectively than armour, though they do move less.
Also: Volley Fire.
>>46962204
nice, thanks for the input!
Thinking about changes to my recent Soviet Tournament list, next year's tournament will be 1395 points, and I really liked playing Soviet T-35 Doom Trundle Horde. Fear our walking speed.
This year's list:
Heavy Tankovy Batalion HQ CinC T-35 with AA MG
Heavy Tankovy Company 3x T-35 with 1 AA MG
Heavy Tankovy Company 3x T-35 with 1 AA MG
Motorised Artillery Battalion with 4x 122mm obr 1910/30
Armoured Car Company Command 5x BA-6
Next Year's:
Heavy Tankovy Batalion HQ CinC T-35 with AA MG
Heavy Tankovy Company 3x T-35 with 1 AA MG
Heavy Tankovy Company 3x T-35 with 1 AA MG
Flame-tank Company 7x KhT-26
Armoured Car Company Command 5x BA-6
Air Support Sporadic I-153 Chaika
I really soured on the Artillery by the end of the first day, those Tsarist era guns were cheap and shit, but fuck me they couldn't hit a fucking thing. Plus, nasty surprise, they're immobile so you can't roll them forwards, even if you could, they're still only rate of fire 1. So fuck 'em. Gone. The BA-6s did the fucking business though. Like holy shit these armoured cars are good. Commander went four rounds with a Fallschirmpioneer unit and eventually broke their morale even if he did in the end die. Wish I could get more, but in place of the artillery and extra Ba-6s seven KhT-26s and Chaikas. I regret not taking Chaika's for this year, 90 points for bombs and fighter interception? Not that bombs ever managed to really achieve much against T-35s, I think in all the games I played that weekend, I lost something like two of the bastards to bombs.
Soviet Flame tanks can assault, so this gives me another unit to grind down Infantry with, and they have a machine gun anyway. So more tanks more fun. The major problem is trying to find a AT value that's cheap and above seven, but then again the Matilda IIs I did encounter that one round, they failed to do much of anything, and I probably could have kept them doing very little of anything all game.
Thoughts anyone?
>Picture totally unrelated.
>>46962457
>Bombs
If you're running the Barbarossa digital version of the Heavy Tankovy, your Chaikas get 4/6/3+ rockets instead for no cost increase. You might want to consider that.
>>46962190
This. You need that FV and Regimental Standard if you plan on going balls to the walls.
>>46962457
well thought out. i like it.
the sporadic air support may not be as usefull as the limited Il-2, but the rockets may make them a nice investment.
>>46962023
>>46962190
>>46963555
Yeah I've really been thinking FV is the way to go. On the other hand CT Hohei Chutai can field an astounding number of cheapo units to toss at the enemy.
>>46941941
Nice models.
I'm not sure if I like all the soot around the gun barrels. It looks more like black paint than powdery residue.
A lot of modelers like to go for having a 4th of the barrel covered in soot but most pictures I've seen just have a little soot around the muzzle brake.
Anyone ever just built a list of just silliness, just to see what happens
>>46967632
Played a 1500 pt game with 120 infantry bases for soviets.
It could have gone better worse.
>>46967632
I built a second platoon of SU-76s and decided to run both with my platoon of SU-122s. This proved to be so hilariously disastrous and amazing, that I immediately purchased 5 more SU-76s.
>>46962512
>>46964102
Well. I don't have access to that list, but I imagine I could make the list nastier by gutting it's support and bringing in KV tanks. KV-2s would solve completely my problems in Heavy AT and infantry dug in.
>>46961600
that's my exact 1650 list, which is basically my 1750 list, so I'd change nothing :^)
>>46962204
12 AT 11 volley Fire shots are a godsend when you come up against the Medium/light tank swarm (the natural predator of the Hero Strelkovy)
Keep in mind, even as AA-Infantry, you'll end up defending more than you'd expect (mostly against Yanks, stupid Patton) there's no shortage of AA armies in LW. In fact, all of the big 4 have multiple AA armies of some stripe or another.
>>46967632
I know I've posted this before, but seriously, best idea ever.
>>46969896
just made my own barbarossa russian list for a June game:
Chaika has her rockets in the standard book!
>time to blast some bread....
not seeing bombs...was that an errata or something? hopefully the LFTF didn't outright patch the Chaika-Kun.
>>46970946
I guess the rockets became available for Operation Barbarossa. I prefer bombs though.
>>46967632
You rang?
Kampfgruppe Swoboda
Bridge by Bridge
HQ - CinC SMG, 2iC SMG (25)
Heavy Anti-aircraft Gun Battery - Command SMG, 4x 8.8cm FlaK36 (Static) gun (180)
- 4x Equip FlaK 36 (static) gun with Gun shield (20)
- 4x Extra Crew (40)
- Kfz 15 field car, Sd Kfz 7 half-track per gun (5)
Heavy Anti-aircraft Gun Battery - Command SMG, 4x 8.8cm FlaK36 (Static) gun (180)
- 4x Equip FlaK 36 (static) gun with Gun shield (20)
- 4x Extra Crew (40)
Heavy Anti-aircraft Gun Battery - Command SMG, 4x 8.8cm FlaK36 (Static) gun (180)
- 4x Equip FlaK 36 (static) gun with Gun shield (20)
- 4x Extra Crew (40)
Hummel Schwere Panzer Platoon - Command Tiger I E, Tiger I E (290)
Machine-gun Company - 3x Command Rifle, 12x MG42 HMG (270)
- 2x Panzerschrek (40)
Security Platoon - Command Rifle, 6x Rifle (70)
1420 Points, 8 Platoons
>>46967632
This list right here. Only way to get more 88s than >>46971473
Note: one of the compulsory infantry units actually needs to be a Schutzen platoon of Panzerfaust Rifle/MG teams, which saves 35 points.
>>46969125
That list lives on being full of SU-122s. They'll eat infantry and mech companies alive. They can do okay against tanks with some decent support, too.
>>46972262
Christ alive, you're not kidding. On a turn they're parked they'll eat an average of two and a bit stands of infantry per turn, at absolute best. If they're not concealed, dug in, gone to ground veterans, it gets much worse very quickly.
Berlin Strelkovy List I'm toying around with. Trying to keep under the 1420 limit.
>>46973402
TBPH, I feel like it's a really hard pt level for Hero Strelk. They wanna red rage and wear the nipple armor, and that's hard to fit into limited points.
Here's what i'm looking at running for 1420, not crazy about the SU-76s but it's mobile, i have them, and it fits the points perfectly, so I guess it's a go.
>>46971696
..becasue each of those is TWIN 88 railcars, right?
so, 8 x2 is 16, over 12....
nachtjager it is....
>>46974513
keep in mind, they have rather limited deployment, and can never dig in (mortar bait)
so it's kinda a compromised unit.
>>46974513
>>46974762
Yeah. I mean, they can lay out one HELL of a dakka wall (48 shots of AT 13 a turn), but they're stationary, unarmored, and you kill two of the guns at once (though they do at least get a gun shield). Their main advantage is that until they open fire you can't target them outside of 16", so you can hold off the wall of "fuck you" till your opponent closes range.
Slow day today.
>>46979064
I guess so. Although it's still morning in Europe, and late at night in the US.
Anyway. Does anyone have any games planned for the weekend? Or other hobby activity they're excited about?
>>46979129
Currently, I'm painting as fast as I can, but nothing FoW related. Then I need to decide if I should paint MW DAK or MW Aussies...
>>46979064
>>46979129
>slow thread
It is only now, as I am posting this, 8am in New York.
>Or other hobby activity they're excited about?
I need the weather to clear up a bit,(it is currently cloudy and humid with a chance of rain) then I can hopefully do some spray undercoating for my Team Yankee stuf over the weekend.
>>46979129
Its 10AM here in New Jersey. Most people are in class/working currently.
>>46979129
Currently, Im debating whether or not I should strip all the paint off my models because I painted them horribly 2 years ago but Im waiting for the weather to clear up.
>>46981346
new jersey a shit.
>>46981346
>>46980181
It is 9:30 here in Southern Illinois
4.10 in britland.
Anyone working on any Pacific stuff?
I'd love to see some Japanese or US Marines WIPs.
>>46972262
Nope. SU-122s are fucking broken. But you can run 3 platoons of SU-76s for less than 500pts. You will not find a better pts per damage efficiency ratio. Even better, is the fact that the SU-76s have Wide Tracks.
Basically anybody can be a dickbag and field an SU-122 spamfest. And the damnable things should be RoF 1, along with EVERY OTHER BREAKTHROUGH GUN. But the SU-76-fest is the most fun you'll have playing Soviets until Battlefront actualy decides to represent them as something other than a video-game charade.
>>46948512
>there actually was an armored fighting vehicle by that name
>>46983457
>tfw no plastic SU-76
Since I've pretty much finished my Jap army, I'm looking to get into late war finns. Either a jalkaväki or jääkäri company to start, maybe getting into a tank company later on (due to the price of tanks). Any exemplary lists? Looking to field maximum amount of generic infantry, and T-28's but I have no idea how to do an infantry based list for an army that isn't Japan.
>>46983457
>until Battlefront actualy decides to represent them as something other than a video-game charade.
Tell us how you really feel.
>>46983457
SU-122s can be nerfed when the IS-2 is fixed. Or just soviets in general, really.
Also the StuH and Jagdtiger are both breakthrough and RoF 2.
>>46984206
Apparently PSC are working on them, so there should be some by next century.
>>46985762
It's pretty much indisputable that soviets get way less effort put into them compared to other factions. Soviet design began and ended with "We need imperial guard in flames".
>>46987550
>Also the StuH and Jagdtiger are both breakthrough and RoF 2.
But, seriously, should either of them? especially the Jagdtiger.
Also Rof2 BTG:
Semovente 105/25
Beute StuH
Zrinyi II
And probably a few more I can't remember off the top of my head.
Only thing that makes SU-122 egregious is the combination of BTG and Volley Fire. ROF 1 would still probably be worth taking (especially with the huge price break ROF1 gets you in their silly pointing formula)
>>46988706
Battlefront explained this. If the Jagdtiger was RoF 1 it'd have to come down in price to an uncomfortable level. Plus it did have two loaders.
>>46988726
I want my IS-2 down in price to an uncofmrotable level please
>>46987726
what's the historical basis for having no smoke? did Soviets really have none/little or was it just not as much part of the doctrine.
Or is it a load of bollocks
>>46988726
Two loaders means jack of all shit. The KV-3 and KV-5 *would* have had 2 loaders. And the ISU had 2 crew dedicated to operating the breech and loading it. And even better, is that real-world heavy artillery field guns with 3 loaders and all the internal crew compartment space in the world, can only manage at best 5 rounds per minute. With modern designs. 2-loaders is a bullshit cop-out reason on BF's part.
As far as pricetag goes, you'd still be looking at a ballpark figure of 270-ish for a CV Jagdtiger, as unobtanium front armor and AT 17 Breakthrough Gun isn't free. Give it Semi Indirect Fire, and it should keep the cost above te "spammably low" level.
>>46988802
Soviets used smoke pretty much only on a large scale. As in let's smoke several kilometers of the front and then advance through it at divisional or greater strength. Small scale, tactical smoke bombardments as they are represented in the game weren't really part of their repertoire. The only other thing was smoke pots/grenades which are somewhat represented in the game, though imo a few more units should have that option.
Maybe attacking soviet armies should have the option to have a large scale smoke screen present for the first turn or so, that might be a way to represent what the soviets actually did. I am generally fine with Soviets not having smoke bombardments though as it fits with the historical reality.
>>46987550
>Also the StuH and Jagdtiger are both breakthrough and RoF 2.
Well aware of that. And yes, they should be ROF 1 as well. StuH's had a rounds-per-minute equal to that of the SU-100, and were just as shitty and cramped to work in. Hell if we're going by BF's bullshit excuse of te SU-100 being too cramped inside to warrant anything better than ROF 1, then the Hetzer should also have it... Because those fucking things are a claustrophobic's nightmare.
>>46988896
The main issue with Soviet smoke, and lack thereof, is that BF decided it was reserved for larger-scale use and the decided not to represent it at all in game. Instead they said after the fact that Infiltrate (a.k.a. the shittier version of spearhead) could possibly be thought of as a forward advance made possible by pre-engagement smoke bombardment. Or to paraphrase, "we don't want to bother doing anything about it, so here's a counts-as idea".
>>46989012
Your infantile tears grease the moulds of sculptures everywhere.
>>46989012
meh that's pretty much the standard approach when it comes to soviets. I mean, I still like the army and have played it for years now. Also I am not really complaining about the effectiveness, Soviets can be very good if handled right. I just wish there was a bit more variety and especially flavour here and there. There's so much unused potential for flavourful lists and special rules, it's really a shame because no matter which soviet list I pick it all feels very samey. Which is especially damning in cases where they actually made a seperate list (looking at you Morskaya Pekhota) and pretty much pasted a standard list with different names for the units.
>>46988896
>Maybe attacking soviet armies should have the option to have a large scale smoke screen present for the first turn or so, that might be a way to represent what the soviets actually did
The fact that they used smoke is why the Soviet player is attacking, and the reason the enemy has to use reserves.
>>46989427
>There's so much unused potential for flavourful lists and special rules
Yeah, that's what FoW needs, more snowflake lists that end up being better than the default because they really only varied by having access to an extra unit or two, and a slight change of special rules.
Flavour doesn't come from novelty.
>>46989444
Are you trying to imply that Soviet attacks only happened under cover of a smoke screen? Because that would be quite wrong. Or what are you getting at?
>>46988936
Soviet tanks tended to have shitty FCS one way or another. The same issues French tanks had, in a lot of respects.
Plus you've seen how much the babies cry when their units aren't given the drawback special rules. They start sooking about having to pay the proper cost for such excellent units.
>>46989508
You dense motherfucker. Like most of the operational level stuff in FoW, there's a thousand ways a given matchup could have occurred. Smoke is a very easy explanation for a lot of the situations you find yourself in in FoW. Flames of War only loosely touches on a lot of army level doctrines because it's on such a small scale. And like most war-game, the specifics of rules and balance and actual story of the game tend to be more important that specific mechanisms working realistically.
More detail isn't needed.
Realistically speaking, in the first playlists, they realised that giving the Soviets a cheap 100 point smoke platoon, combined with their incredibly large platoons and excellent special rules like QoQ ended up in the Soviet juggernaut being even more powerful than it otherwise was. It fucked with the game because the train had no brakes, and ended up with a pretty crappy play experience. Even more than first turn charges with infiltrate. So they dug into the history books and found a good justification for removing smoke options.
Now we have a game where a Soviet assault might actually get turned back.
>>46989579
>And like most war-game, the specifics of rules and balance and actual story of the game tend to be more important that specific mechanisms working realistically.
Except in FoW, giving smoke bombardments to every nation except one (and only one) is very clearly a penalty to that nation alone. And seeing as the cost for artillery isn't much different from other nations, it's not particularly balanced either.
>>46988775
same
>>46988896
While this is true, smoking measures were also commonly improvised by whoever could get them. And likewise, it was uncommon for soviets to get small-scale tactical artillery strikes in general; none of these things get represented either.
>>46988936
Agreed. It's either movie WW2 for everyone or nobody.
>>46989427
The soviet naval infantry are appalling. Compare them (strelk with -1 stand per platoon) to other nation's famous elites, like the american airborne, british commandos/ghurkas, SS and fallschirm for the germans...
>>46989496
Naval infantry are literally soviet rifles with -1 stand. There is absolutely no difference between the two aside from this.
>>46989613
I'll take bullshit problems from v1 that have carried over for several versions now... Blunty put, that was well before MGs in abundnace for LW, two bails/destroyed stopping tank assaults regardless of "platoon" size, before pinned MG stands had 2 dice each, and before you could end up with a Romanian company of fuck-hige proportions that could end up Veteran with QoQ and smoke bombardments.
>>46989651
>penalty
Yeah, just like how nobody gets King Tigers except the Germans. Much bias.
>Cost for arty
What does that have to do with anything. That's now how FoW has ever costed things. You get the option of buying more of it, and the routine access to volley fire, gun shields, and roll up the guns are excellent provisions.
>>46989678
>none of those things get represented either
Except a WW2 game without arty is too much of a stretch. Plus the Russians were notorious for open sight firing.
>>46989521
Everyone had shitty FCS in WW2.
But yes, German and American players do tend to whinge when affected by global penalties.
>>46989722
This isn't 40k. What do you want? Naval infantry just weren't that different. And with the usual Soviet list approach of giving everything access to everything, that further dilutes any trivial differences that might have existed.
And those other units were doctrinally very different. They were glorified infantry seconded on from other branches to fill manpower shortages. You get FT, same as the other Soviet elite divisions, and all the nasty special rules that go with it.
>>46989444
What? So infantry battalions don't get preliminary smoke, or something? This is a dumb counts-as.
>>46989651
Soviets actually pay more for their arty. Pop open Desperate Measures and check the 152mm howitzer versus the 15cm howitzer, both at CT. Same statline and they're both 235 points, but the germans get a free observer and smoke for that, and the soviet one needs a light arty tax to take.
>>46989496
You do realize that every other nation pretty much swims in snowflake lists, EXCEPT Soviets? For fuck's sake, they just released German Mountaineers for Grey Wolf on Forces.
>>46989733
All of those things tend to be either situation, or massively needed to correct deficiencies in the balance. MG teams weren't nearly useful enough because most of the time they never got the advantage. Bailing out tanks stopping assaults demanded that the tank player (or specifically, the Soviet player) would actually have to think about their assaults rather than just yolo ing in the vehicles.
>>46989782
Except that's not true in reality. There's a whole pile of accounts of the Naval Brigades being given impossible tasks and still achieving their goals. They performed a landing behind German lines and generally fought to the last.
>>46989782
>Naval infantry just weren't that different.
ahahahahahah
yes, they were
>>46989780
Yeah, a R-35 and a Tiger were about as efficient as one another.
Oh wait.
>German and American players
This thread is a monument to the martyr complex of the Soviet players, and you're calling them out?
>>46989613
There's no "might" about it now. Even with QoQ, at trained, you can't charge anything. Maybe if you get a lone understrength platoon out in the open, but how often does that happen against someone who's played before?
>>46989821
They were also nicknamed "The Black Death" for how hard they fought, and largely out of respect (and fear) by their opposition.
>>46989804
Of course they did. There's always been Gebirgsjager lists, and totally omitting them would be weird.
>>46989798
That'd be a hard rule to cost, strange to implement, and wouldn't make sense a lot of the time. Infiltrate accomplishes everything it needs to.
>>46989836
If anything it's a monument to the imbalances of Flames of War as dictated by market shares. The Americans and the Germans being the two most played factions get the best stuff, followed by staff favourites like the Hungarians and Finns, while everyone else gets left in the cold. Except for Soviets in kits. They have a plastic everything now. Infantry, Tanks, Artillery.
>>46989821
Seriously? They wuz rill gud fiters! They doesn't afraid of anything and win all the time!
>>46989758
Open sight firing is the Zis-2 in it's tank-killer role, though.
In general, admittedly, FoW fucks up artillery, since it really shouldn't be anywhere near the table...
>dozens of posts bitching about Soviets
I see we fixed our slow thread problem...
>>46989849
Yeah, just like how the Marines were called Devil Dogs, right? That's a name that has more to do with a distinct uniform and a strong desire for a unit identity during and post war than any real indication of their effectiveness one way or another.
>>46989782
Naval Infantry were a pre-soviet institution that survived significantly unchanged and had their own doctrine separate from the main red army infantry. They're at least as different from regular infantry as something like the nisei are from USA infantry, who trained with the exact same doctrine. In FoW? They're strelk.
>>46989836
>Soviet players should never have nice thing!
Yeah, really... Let's just keep calling it a martyr complex, and pretend like BF doesn't view them as the orks of their game system. The only difference is Soviets are still playable, and Orks have more snowflake lists.
Which is as sad as it is funny...
>>46989836
Are you blind or intentionally obtuse? Do you really think soviets get the same level of detail and variety all the other nations get?
>>46989904
>there's a marines list now
>and the "black death" are still kist Strelk with 1 less stand.
>>46989860
The game doesn't need to give soviets unique lists, because that'd be overdosing the game with special rules, but it's fine for the germans to get more snowflake lists, because they always had them. Got you.
>>46989869
Both Finns and Hungarians get the bare bones needed to play them. They're hardly favoured.
>plastic everything
That's market related. Lists, not so much. You don't get special rules because of plastics. That just means they can save money by making them that way, and they know it's a sure sale.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that most of the lists in existence ATM tended to come from specific books. Stalins Europe, River of Heroes, and so on.
They modelled a particular battle, as FoW always did. Except it was Eastern Front, so it tended to be the Soviets XYZ army vs whatever Germans were around. Soviets got some new stuff, Germans got so new stuff. This is before they had to slice the same crap sandwich even finer, as you see them doing lately, so they didn't need to snowflake up everything. So the Germans got RSO Traktors and Hetzers, the Soviets got assault engineers and different heavy tanks, and that was about as far as it needed to stretch.
>>46989880
The Soviets did it with everything, though. One shot in direct fire being worth 10 indirectly, was apparently a saying they had. Figures, with the lack of radios and observers they had at the time. The Germans hardly managed, and they were in a much better tech position.
>>46989875
>Seriously? They wuz rill gud fiters! They doesn't afraid of anything and win all the time!
This is the exact reason the 101st get veteran status on their first deployment, you realise? Hell, the game is full of "elite" units that get special toys and high ratings.
>>46989917
Except Nisse were way outside the usual range of US infantry behaviour. At very least they earned a Fearless rating.
What would you have given Naval Infantry that wouldn't be hugely problematic rules wise?
>>46989987
The issue is that the lack of small-scale smoke should also be a lack of on-demand tactical artillery. The logic for one works for the other. If realism were the priority then soviets would only have things like mortars "on-call".
>>46989961
Of course US marines get a list, you can't do pacific without them.
>>46989966
Gebirgsjager are hardly snowflake. And you can't ommit an entire branch of the army. It'd be like not giving the Soviets calvary.
Note to self: If thread ever gets too slow, fake bitching about soviets and the thread will pick right back up.Meanwhile brits are just ignored
>>46990057
Ignoring the Half a thread of complaining two generals ago?
>>46990015
Demote them to a Company size, make them Fearless Veteran, give Naval Bombardment. There's a suggestion.
>>46989994
Veterancy in LW is a mixed bag, but the performance speaks for itself. Black Death get the same rating as the other elite Soviet armies. And the Marines get more than special toys, they get the same vast range of Soviet support regular infantry get. They don't get nice toys because they've already got the whole toy chest.
What would you give them?
>>46990051
Those things aren't the same, though. Arty was far more likely to be used than smoke bombardment. The Soviets still used tactical artillery, even if they were known for their massive preliminary bombardments.
And like I said, it's WW2, you can't just scrub arty out of the game. That's too much of a stretch.
>>46990083
Considering most of their operations weren't really amphibious or naval, NGS is a bit odd. And the same reasons you give Soviets battalions are exactly the same for the Naval Infantry.
Cool idea though.
>>46990057
Americans don't play many Brits, but just enough contrarians play Soviets. And the usual American bitching mentality turns up in force as you can see.
>>46990136
>Considering most of their operations weren't really amphibious or naval,
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonsund_Landing_Operation
Soviets with Naval Gunfire in Late War. More likely than you'd expect.
>>46983417
Here's an old wip of some extras I used as Marine stand ins. Can't wait to get some actual Marine blisters though
>>46990015
Naval infantry were also well outside the usual range. They should have an FV option, at the least. To be more specific, they had their own "swift battle" doctrine, and a high focus on portable high rate of fire weapons. Many platoons had widespread access to the SVT-40 automatic rifle, and they took on the DP machinegun with gusto as part of rapid assault philosophy. If I wasn't going to make them FV I'd probably give them assault troops or something else to represent the whole swift-battle thing they had going.
Also, to break with another soviet issue, there were many groups of naval infantry. The 6th were primarily made up of communist party members, for example, so they would've had an incredible amount of loyalty to the regime that could be modelled.
>>46990136
>And the usual American bitching mentality turns up in force as you can see.
And the usual "blame americans for everything bad" bitching mentality turns up again.
>>46990083
>Ignoring the Half a thread of complaining two generals ago?
It was maybe 50 posts over the course of a day, with pretty much no back and forth.
>>46990086
>Black Death get the same rating as the other elite Soviet armies.
The fact soviets cap out to trained in general is kinda shit, yes.
>>46990056
Following naval infantry logic, why can't you just have -1 stand grenadiers with different models for your gerbs? They're not that different, game doesn't need special rules, etc etc
>>46990253
The issue is some people just don't accept there is anything wrong with the soviets, when they're by far the most neglected major power. Even their dedicated revisit gave them very little. By comparison, the yanks get showered with toys and options.
>>46990223
>high focus
Compared to the Soviet 'lets just give every guy a SMG' approach? By LW the Soviets were pretty excellently provisioned with that sort of thing. Didn't they give SVT-40s to the corporals by the end?
It's a good excuse for MG teams, assuming they actually did have that much firepower. Automatic rifles might be a bit too much. The BAR team rules offer some interesting possibilities, though.
>>46990304
That's pretty much what happened, though. They're Grenadiers with Mountaineers.
>>46990342
The fact that they don't have any issues winning games is a fairly strong point, though. They're an effective army. Everything else is just noise, and nitpicking when it comes down to it. The arguments are about specific permutations and snow flaking more than anything fundament.
>>46990255
Except for the ones that don't. The ones that the Soviet players REEEEEEEEEd at shrilly because they realised that Soviet scale Veterans were actually really goddamn expensive.
>>46990778
Sure, soviets have some decent lists, but that's not actually the problem.
>>46990809
The fact soviets are forced into the horde niche even in lists that wouldn't be suited for it is also part of the problem, yes.
Besides, there's, what, two digital-only veteran lists? Digital-only might as well be homebrew, what's in print matters.
>>46990809
Bullshit, we knew they were going to be expensive. It's not like BF was going to make RV or CV Soviets. So we knew that the hero cavalry, and hero engineer sapper lists were going to be pricey, but worth it. Ditto to the one Vet unit in Hero Strelk, the Guards Storm platoon.
The only fucktards who thought otherwise, were thinking they'd still be able to spam 31 tanks.
Any hope for a Grey Wolf Revised scan?
>>46990778
>The fact that they don't have any issues winning games is a fairly strong point, though. They're an effective army. Everything else is just noise, and nitpicking when it comes down to it. The arguments are about specific permutations and snow flaking more than anything fundament.
No fucking shit, Sherlock! The issue has never been their effectiveness, barring odd issues like 2 bails stopping 10 assaulting T-34s cold (or 16 T-26s...). The one perk they have going is that the (non-Hero) lists are all fairly well balanced and playable, with exception to IS-2 Heavy Tanks, and Heavy Assault Gun lists. Oh, and the shitty penal battalion, militia, MW Heavy Tank, and Risinf Sun lists that don't spam T-26s.
The problem is that the entire Soviet array of lists might as well be relabeled "Generic Red Shirts". Because it sure as fuck isn't based off any historical battalions.
>>46988936
The 100 was a hair faster, actually (and not far off the tiger II's). The SU-100 being unnaturally cramped is pure BS, though. It's a cosy fit, but no moreso than most tanks of the era. And I can't find records of it having any exceptional issues with breakdowns; it was based on the mechanically reliable T-34 chassis and weighed the same as the T-34-85 (actually just under a ton lighter, but still).
>>46989521
It had a gradated sight and a cupola. What more do you want for WW2? This is actually slightly better than the jagd- series, even, which lacked cupolas and were reliant solely on periscopes and sights.
