What would happen if someone came to play in your group with an army decked out in Nazi color scheme and symbolism, their leader was Hitler, etc?
>>46884683
Wait, are you telling me Imperium is not nazi and it is not ruled by Cyborg Hitler?
Now I feel dumb.
>>46884683
Kicked out, and we would cut them off from our social circle.we're all commies of various kinds
>>46885096
For what purpose?
>>46885113
For Revolution, comrade.
>>46885113
I'm going to assume the answer is some form of "the greater good"
>>46885148
You peasents are always revolting.
>>46884683
Depends on how it was presented.
I've seen an Imperial Guard force done up as various divisions within the Wehrmacht. It looked great.
If it was just some excuse to put swastikas all over the place, then nah.
>>46884683
Give them shit and refuse to play against that army.
Contrast this to the fact that my TTRPG group (which is actually composed of a completely different set of friends) has fought and defeated NOT!Hitler several times.
I take issue with the glorification of the ideology and the promotion of it in this case I guess
>>46884683
DESTROY THEM WITH THE MIGHT OF BRIKTOID AUTOMATA!!!
...Wait, no, are we still allies?
>>46885113
1. We really hate nazis. We live in the only left-leaning city in a shitbrown county.
2. Nazis have beat us up and literally tried to murder both some of us and our friends.
>>46884683
>came to play in your group
>with an army decked out in Nazi color scheme...
Wrong group, we're playing dnd. Also we're not looking for new players right now.
>>46885294
America had its Manifest Destiny and nobody bats an eye. Germany takes some Living Space and everyone looses their minds.
>>46884683
fuck off you SS dick hungry, slimy, Nazi ass motherfucker.
>>46884683
>it's a nice ww2 army you've got there, but we're doing the gulf war tonight.
Historical wargames are neat.
Now where's that one screencap of someone playing against a 40k Army with Hitler as a commander that replies, "Thanks it's hitler."
>>46884683
I'll have a good chuckle if painted/converted with skill.
>>46885495
>>46885501
Disregard I suck cocks.
>>46885480
Moral of the story: don't mess with people's living room.
>>46885480
because Jesus said America is the greatest country on earth anon.
I hate non whites
>In before Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>46884683
i'd definetly want to play against that.
killing hitler sounds like a nice objective
>>46885577
>inb4: land war in Asia
>>46885253
This. If the guy did it well then I'd play with him. If it was done poorly and just used as an excuse to be an edgelord then I'd tell him to fuck off.
>>46884683
I play with him.
What do you want me to do, be a fascist and ban him?
>>46885577
Hitler obviously did something wrong.he lost
>>46884683
Well, historical miniatures are a thing, so it's not unlikely I might run into that...
>>46885426
1. I see.
2. Was that before or after you proclaimed open support of communist ideals? Because for one of those it kind of makes sense.
>>46885577
Hitler did so many things wrong.
1. Declaring war on Russia
2. Declaring war on the USA
3. Killing the Jews rather than recruiting them as "enhanced labor" and not allowing Jews to serve in the military.
4. Being a shit diplomat.
5. Invading Denmark and not offering it to the Swedes.
6. Not bringing Turkey into the war
7. Wasting divisions invading Yugoslavia instead of telling hungary to wait until the war was over.
8. Not bringing Turkey into the Axis.
>>46885426
>>46885148
>>46885096
reddit response: "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! BANNED!!!"
I'm a nationalist but I wouldn't throw a little spook moral tizzy over some dude bringing a Red Army themed IG army or something. Bigotry isn't cool desu.
>>46884683
"Damnit Bob, we tried running a Reich-5 campaign last year and the majority agreed we would do something different next time. Drop the passive-agressive bullshit."
>>46885718
>I'm smarter than hitler because I already know what happens in ww2
>>46885751
>Non-Working class 20 year olds
>communists
>seems legit
>>46885751
lol that one idiot in the Che Guevara shirt
>>46885426
>we got beaten up by Anti-Communists and decided to call them Nazis
Only good Commie is a dead Commie.
>>46884683
Considering that I want to get into Flames of War and other historical wargaming, I'd welcome them and compare armies.
Red Scorpions are awfully Naziesque as it is.
>>46885823
C'mon, in this day and age world needs reminder that not all terrorist are Muslim.
>>46884683
>passing on the chance to destroy an army of Nazis
I can smell the French from here
>>46885751
Fuck me, i know the guy to the right, black shirt bowlcut-guy.
Grade-a cockgoblin, doesn't even bring his own beer. Didn't help with the fire either.
>>46885426
You AntiFa types really need to kill yourselves desu.
not even /pol/.
>>46885893
>>46885751
Wait, i recognize several of them.
Umeå, visst?
>>46885910
We don't know, they may have been actual Nazis.
But ya, people who think Fascism=being a Nazi need to get fucked. I can be a Fascist without thinking we need to gas anyone.
>>46885793
This. After all it's paint on plastic. If you get your asshair curled up by that then there is no cure for you.
>>46885842
>>46885893
>communist
>doesn't provide for the whole
>expects the bounty of the group
lols
>>46885806
To be fair, not declaring war on Russia was a pretty 'no duh' thing, and it might have been enough.
They had a tenuous peace with them, and it would be a bad idea to fight a war on two fronts
The more minor stuff is hindsight, but even in the moment fighting Russia was a bad call
>>46886071
stalin was literally planning to invade as soon as his army was reorganizing, made total strategic sense as if hitler was busy with the allies he could swoop in and spread communism
>>46886071
Eh. Some historians will argue that Russia was planning on attacking anyway and that attacking before they fully mobilized was a great idea.
It was the following tactical incompetence on his part that led to things not really working out so great in their minds.
>>46884683
Someone please make this into a real dreadnought
>>46886129
this, Stalin had a plan to invade Europe. heres something even more interesting if its true, apparantly Hitler tried to sign a peace treaty with Poland and they told him to fuck off, she he invaded everyone before they could attack Germany.
>>46886282
>apparantly Hitler tried to sign a peace treaty with Poland and they told him to fuck off
There was an offered treaty, it was shit because it required the Annexation of Gdańsk. Though honestly, in hindsight, I would have taken it.
>>46885855
Correct, not all muslims are terrorists.
But all ISIS ARE Islamic.
>>46887067
As a Pole I said that it would stain our honour forever, it would deny our standing as a country as if we bowed down, we had an treaty with UK that affirmed the gov about how we are safe (but UK with frogs fucked up)
>>46887252
germany had decent relations with pilsudski, when your next president or w/e gained power that's when everything went to shit. hitler sent one of his gauleiters to the funeral and held a memorial for pilsudski in berlin
>>46885751
I'm a Commie and this photo gave a me a violent and painful diarrhea
Also my IG literally had Swastika banners. Because it was fun.
>>46887252
>As a Pole I said that it would stain our honour forever
You are a Pole. Your people's honour IS stained forever by being born invariably caring about your people's honour.
> it would deny our standing as a country as if we bowed down
Poland just re-entered existence for the first time in over a century. Should've appreciated that and focused on not getting Russia'd again.
>>46887847
>Your people's honour IS stained forever by being born invariably caring about your people's honour.
not him, but what is that supposed to mean?
>>46885842
>>46887892
The polak stereotype among other slavs is them being unbearably anal about about their "panski honor", which is the reason why nobody respects said "honor" and tramples it at every possible occasion.
>>46888000
So other slavs are just antagonistic dicks?
Nice double trips, btw; checked.
>>46888000
The polak steretype among our people is constantly trying to steal Lviv and surrounding lands.
>>46888042
>So other slavs are just antagonistic dicks
All slavs are antagonistic dicks to each other. Any other people that have a long history with other closely related people can understand.
It's like a big, screwed up family. Only Mom's on a permanent leave since before we were born, we don't know our Dad(s), and we're all 12 year olds (except Rus, he's 15 and bullies everyone) who will never grow up.
>>46888160
>to each other
as in "to other kinds of slavs", ofc
>>46888092
But Lviv was never yours to begin with, cвыння!
>>46884683
As long as he's not a skinhead and it's just some dumb meme army it's whatever. If the guy is actually a Nazi it's kind of awkward. But then again real life white supremacists are awkward to begin with. Like, they're so fucking pale and have such obvious skinhead haircuts even when they have actual hair, it's like shit nigger do you even know how to hide your power level you dumb cunt? Why don't you just tattoo a Chaplin mustache and swastika to your face.
>>46888160Describe western Europe, Asia, the Anglosphere, Latin and South America, and the ME in the same manner now pls
>>46888454
Pointless, since every people at large can be imagined as an underage brat, since in the context of geopolitical relations countries and nations never have to "grow up" like individuals do since there is no higher social construct that they'd have to adapt to.
Also just watch Hetalia
>>46886071
As others said, Russia was likely planning on invasion. It was preemptive. That 'peace' was nothing but a prelude to war and Germany refused to wait and fight it on Russia's terms.
Hitler's big fuck ups usually came in the form of trying to micromanage every project to his own stupid logic instead of listening to the generals and letting the experts do what they're best at. Also unrealistic expectations. True, he made questionable strategic decisions but Barbarossa was just one of a list of shitty options.
>>46884683
He would get punched by the other players and kicked out.
We're all Jews.
>>46884683
Id assume they were some kind of socially handicapped person? Or possibly a complete dipshit. The only people Ive ever met that are into nazi shit have been tards.
But Id give the guy the benefit of the doubt and talk to him. Maybe he just really likes the nazi aesthetic, which would be a bit odd but whatever. To each their own right.
>>46888604
>Also just watch Hetalia
I was hoping for a slightly less homoerotic approach.
>>46888715
One of my closest friends was a Jewish neo-nazi.
>>46888793
Well you can't have it. Politics are insanely homoerotic by their very nature. Like all the other stuff that must be done by Real Men.
If it's not specifically a WW2 wargame, then:
> calmly explain that if this is an attempt at a joke it's in extremely poor taste
> be understanding, we've all taken things too far sometimes
If he even for a second gets defensive or mildly implies any "Clean Wehrmacht/Bolshevism made me do it"-type horseshit.
> laugh at him
> explain to him why he's wrong
> why his beliefs are shit
> get out
Also, if you are less tolerant towards "SJWs" than genocidal anti-semites, you should consider suicide.
>>46888689
Hitler's biggest fuck-up bar none was throwing Germany and Austria into a war they were utterly incapable of winning from the outset, trusting in the leadership of insane and incompetent asshats like Göring to carry them through a war with the US, the UK AND the Soviets. Couple that with an extreme mismanagement of war production and allying with nothing but living cartoon characters it was a recipe for utter disaster.
Hitler, and those who aided and abetted him, doomed Germany.
>>46888778
The uniforms were pretty snazzy. Others seemed to find the fashion agreeable, considering Hugo Boss is still around.
>>46889172
> leather trenchcoats
> pretty snazzy
>>46888800
are we supposed to be impressed that you hang out with retards?
>>46884683
almost half of the people i play with are fascist militants.
>>46889229
How's middle school?
>>46889250
this is not usa, my dear friend.
>>46889288
I'm guessing english isn't your firsr language, since you don't seem to know that ending your sentence with "my dear friend" doesn't actually make you sound intelligent or articulate. In fact, you sound like a fedora-swigging tryhard. But that was evident enough from your first post.
>>46889367
ah yeah, sorry, ill call you a faggot
do i fit now /b/ ?
>>46884683
Probably not play with them because it sounds like an edge lord. If not an edge lord then we play kill the Hitler
>>46888800
>the self hating jew
I will never understand how they exist, did they inherit existential angst from the Germans somehow?
>>46889229
> "almost half of the people i play with are fascist militants"
>>46889228
>>46885543
I hate humanity.
>>46884683
I would beat them mercilessly!
On the tabletop. With my dudes.
>>46889170
Seemed we were going for post-declaration mistakes so choosing 'the war' as a whole was off the table. You'll get no argument on that one.
The most common and consistent blunder was him sticking his idiot hands into every pie he could find, and those all snowballed as one resultant failure cascading into another. The biggest enemy of the actually competent people put in charge of trying to meet Hitler's demands ... was Hitler himself.
If we're counting his entire leadership then yes, listening to idiots who achieved positions through nepotism and diving into the war would be it.
>>46888160
if a foreign power invaded, would they band together? these brats?
>>46889172
This. The German army in general had the best uniforms.
>>46889423
Humanity hates you too, anon.
>>46884683
I'd buy you a ticket so you could play a game in Germany.
>>46889190
>Thinking in terms of leather trenchcoats.
You think they only made coats for Kommandant? As pretty much the sole supplier of uniforms it, was the quality tailoring, not the Hollywood shiny black leather, that even got them contracts post-war.
It's an aesthetic that fits certain creative needs, inspiring various media today. One for personal use? Nope. But if you need to dress up a jack-booted fascist analogue in your new setting, accept no substitute.
>>46889410
Part of that whole "covenant with God" thing, probably. That fine print is important.
>>46888000
Deuc trips don't like
>>46889667
>if a foreign power invaded, would they band together
Voluntarily? No. Forcibly? That's Russia's whole shtick - "All Slavs must come together (under Moscow ofc) or this cruel world rapes us all to death". And they aren't that bad at implementing it.
>>46885426
Butthurt brits.
>>46888715
>punched by jews
This is only threatening if your Israelis
>>46885853
NONE PURER!
>>46889834
> "You think they only made coats for Kommandant?"
You see, that sentence would actually have been gramatically correct if you hadn't insisted on trying German like a wehraboo.
Hugo Boss supplied the hilariously gay SS and SA uniforms, as well as the Hitler Jugend ones. Truly visionary design.
>>46884683
Like>>46885253 said it's all contextual. If the player is a skilled artist who made a visually appealing army that also satirizes 40k's fetishism with thinly veiled nazi analogues, then yeah. If I get the impression the guy is actually a Nazi, or a Nazi sympathizer, I would not chose to associate with him in my hobby time, no. Who would you willingly associate with a Nazi sympathizer?
>>46893525
>Who would you willingly associate with a Nazi sympathizer?
I would, since I don't prejudice people solely for their political associations.
>>46893618
>I don't prejudice people solely for their political associations.
That's normally true, but most functioning members of society make an exception for certain extremes, like.... I'm having a hard time coming up with a better example than Nazis.
>>46893706
Listen, if I can get along with and play games with communists and libertarians, then getting along with and playing games with nazis and fascists would be a breeze. So long as they can stymy their racial hatred at the table, I don't care.
>>46893706
Communists are complete scum and objectively killed more innocents than nazis and yet they never get called out or immediately disregarded.
>>46893741
Most modern comunists go out of their way to distance themselves from Stalin, and most modern Nazis do NOT go out of their way to distance themselves from Hitler. That could have something to do with. I don't think I'd be willing to hobby with a Stalinist any more than I'd be able to hobby with a Nazi. Maybe a Fashist who goes as much out of his way to point out how Hitler was misinterpreting Nietzsche would fall into the same "insufferable but game-with-able" as do the communists who point out that Stalin was misinterpreting Marx.
As it stands, most communists do that, and most Fascists don't.
>>46885751
>That guy with the fedora
>That girl(?) with her(?) shirt awkwardly tucked into her(?) pants
>>46892121
You're reading too much into a single word. Nobody insisted on using German or that anything was visionary. Just that it supplies a clearly conveyed "these guys are evil" vibe for media usage. It's low hanging fruit and a bit lazy but it typically works well enough.
There's a grammar nazi joke in here somewhere but I'm too lazy.
>>46893823
It doesn't matter who they identify with, communists are all equally scum.
I've seen this a few times. A lot of "that guys", aka the really socially awkward neckbeard type player (even for our hobby standards) will set up a nazi army and basically stand around grinning. If anyone brings it up he'll sperg out about how not all Wehrmacht were Nazi's and they were good guys.
>>46885751
Literally every face in that crowd is pure gold
>>46885751
I'm not big on this whole Tolerance thing, so the answer would be: No. I will not play with this player. Self-respect is a bit more important for me.
>>46887765
> my IG literally had Swastika banners
> I'm a Commie
You are edgy, not Commie. There is a difference.
>>46886107
> stalin was literally planning to invade
>>46886129
> Russia was planning on attacking anyway
>>46886282
> Stalin had a plan to invade Europe
>>46888689
> Russia was likely planning on invasion
Everyone was planning to invade everyone. That's how things in military work. You make plans for everything. US was planning to invade UK (War Plan Red), for example.
As for the real war, Soviets had absolutely no intentions of initiating war against the whole Europe. Not in the next few decades, at the very least. First they wanted to dominate economically, and only then they would consider flexing their muscles.
If you see anyone else claiming otherwise - it's propaganda.
>>46893823
> Most modern comunists go out of their way to distance themselves from Stalin
Not really. Post-Soviet states (especially Russia) have a very strong pro-Stalinist tendencies. But then it is they who are familiar with Stalin and Stalinism.
>>46894581
>Post-Soviet states (especially Russia) have a very strong pro-Stalinist tendencies.
Well we were talking about someone at your LGS, so it's fair we're talking about annoying late teens early 20-something political contrarians. Most 'murkan "communists" DO go out of their way to point out how stalin =/= max and most 'murkan "fascists" DO actually like Hitler.
2: Russia is one of the most socially conservative, economically libertarian, pro-corporate, survive-on-your-own-or-survive-on-the-streets, libertarian paradise with Fascist authoritarian politics. They are authoritarian and ruled by a single deamogouge, but other than that, they share very little with either Stalin or Marx.
>>46893706
>I'm having a hard time coming up with a better example than Nazis.
People who un-ironically love ISIS, or the Kim regime. They actually exist.
>>46885751
https://youtu.be/G_8wLKy3-Sc
>African communists
>>46885751
So moot became a Swedish communist. Got it.
>>46895705
Those are ALMOST Nazi bad, and I certainly wouldn't spend my free time gaming with them either, but they're not QUITE Nazi bad.
It breaks lore, so fuck them
t.neo nazi
>>46884683
No problem, me and my friends are not ones to be easily offended.
Especially by Hitler, I respect and like him anyway.
>>46894581
The difference here is that it wasn't a contingency plan, it was an actual plan.
>Post-Soviet states (especially Russia) have a very strong pro-Stalinist tendencies. But then it is they who are familiar with Stalin and Stalinism
Ukraine and Poland don't. Your allegation that Russia does is equally false given their business, social, and defense politics and the fucking fact that Stalinism got kicked to the curb before it was even Russia again. I can't speak for the others as I have no experience with them, but you're gonna have to show some evidence for your allegation.
/pol/ plz go
>>46884683
>implying I give a fuck what some imperial-playing faggot painted his army
>implying I won't rape him and all his SM buddies anyway regardless of paint scheme
>>46895860
I think they're worse than Nazis. Nazis actually tried to uplift the Germans. ISIS and North Korea actually oppress and kill their own people.
>>46896207
> you're gonna have to show some evidence for your allegation.
That's true. According to polls Russian people (not government) support Stalin.
>>46896207
> The difference here is that it wasn't a contingency plan, it was an actual plan.
Did you read Suvorov?
>>46884683
Well first I would be overjoyed, since I actually have a group to play as
Secondly, I wouldn't give a shit, as long as the player himself wasn't a raging Nazi and just kept the imagery to his army, well thats his decision to paint his army up like that. If he took it beyond the tabletop though, then I'd have to ask him to either cut that shit out or leave.
>>46885426
Russians were worse. Commies were even bigger assholes and bastards than the Nazis.
Additionally due to WWII bullshit nobody called them out on their crimes and atrocities. And due to the fact that they had a shitload of time, they did more than Nazis.
AND NOBODY EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO KNEW HISTORY CALLED THE RUSSIANS OUT ON THEIR BULLSHIT.
>>46887382
Hitler still hated slavs in general.
>>46885294
Depiction != glorification and promotion. Nazis have an awesome aesthetic whenever you like it or not.
>>46896949
> EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO KNEW HISTORY
Would you mind fucking off in the general direction of /pol/ ?
>>46897067
I ain't going there. The first and last time I was there I've got a headache after the whole Chechnya thing and explaining it to one anon. I also raged at his lack of knowledge.
>>46884683
>First day of university at the ANU
>Bunch of ugly balding middle age men in the courtyard shouting and waving around leaflets
>They're a bunch of commies calling for Tony abbots impeachment
>Whatever I don't like the cunt either
>I'm waiting around for a friend and one of them starts up a conversation
>keeps rambling about the proletariat
>I point out that everyone at this university including me and him are obviously not working class and most of them are basically the Australian version of the aristocracy
>Gets all butthurt and asks me if I can come up with a better form of government than communism
>I point out that it's never worked in practice
>He gets even more butthurt and walks off
>Comes back after a while and tells me to check my privilege and thing of the less fortunate
>I snort with laughter assuming he's being ironic or something since I've only ever heard that shit on the internet
>He goes red, looks like he's going to hit me
>My friend shows up and I leave with him, as I walk away I say "Good luck with the revolution comrade"
They were exactly the same at Melbourne UNI and the university of Canberra , are there any studies linking autism and communism because my anecdotal experiences seem to have proven one
>>46897208
>>/pol/
I know i guy who painted a Armageddon steel legion army as nazis, he was going to play in a tournament in our local games workshop, he kicked out
>>46896949
>due to WWII bullshit nobody called them out on their atrocities.
It was more due to the fact that calling them out publically was liable to cause /World War III/ with Stalin.
>Everyone was planning to invade everyone. That's how things in military work. You make plans for everything. US was planning to invade UK (War Plan Red), for example.
The difference is that the United States wasn't trying to subvert Great Britain's democratic process, while the Parties of Europe and the United States were being sent millions by the KGB, while Czechoslovakia, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and East Germany fell prey to the same Nazi tactics when they became Communist.
>As for the real war, Soviets had absolutely no intentions of initiating war against the whole Europe.
"Disarmament is the ideal of socialism. There will be no wars in socialist society ... But whoever expects that socialism will be achieved without a social revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat is not a socialist. Dictatorship is state power based directly on violence. ... To put “disarmament” in the programme is tantamount to making the general declaration: We are opposed to the use of arms. There is as little Marxism in this as there would be if we were to say: We are opposed to violence!" - Lenin, on intentions
>First they wanted to dominate economically, and only then they would consider flexing their muscles.
That's Kruschev, who had to a) spell it out, b) shut down dissenters, and c) lost the Stalinists and Maoist due to the Secret Speech. He was thrown out in 1964 by Leonid Brezhnev, a Soviet conservative because among differences and mistakes, Khrushchev blocked military procurement.
“Peace and peaceful coexistence are not quite the same thing. Peaceful coexistence does not merely imply absence of war; it is not a temporary, unstable armistice between two wars but the coexistence of two opposed social systems, based on mutual renunciation of war"
>>46897335
Yep. Allies needed an ally to fight Hitler.
On the other hand the Allied leaders backstabbed the Eastern Europe Countries by selling them to the Russians. Then it was slowly tumbling down...
If it wasn't for Kuklinski, then there would've been a WWIII actually happening.
>>46884683
Well...
I had actually thought about making an army of goofy looking nazi orks led by mega gitler.
Although, sometimes last night I suddenly wanted to make an army mostly consisting of 50 dark grey uniformed cadians with statuesque female heroic scale heads and white+red shoulder, possibly continuing down the arm, coming at the enemy with combat knives, trench shovels, bayonets, flamers and lasguns with wood furniture. Somewhere between blatant nazi fetishism, regular faggotry and a nod to Valkyria Chronicles.
Anyway, OP, to answer your question I'd respond with fielding my army green knight titan with the stars and stripes head.
>>46885197
>Peasants are revolting, sire
Tell me what I don't know, underling, but what are they doing now?
>>46885950
>Umeå, visst?
>Swedish
>>46896969
incorrect, many slavs served in the Waffen SS, he had in his youth a slavic friend who stayed all the way as his bodyguard iirc, he believed german culture to be superior however - that isn't hatred
>>46893525
Depends, does he play 40k and isnt annoying to play with, sure. His political opinions dont matter at all if all were doing is playing 40k.
I mean id consider him stupid but thats a poor reason to treat him like a bad person
>>46897583
Tell that to the Poles.
The simple reason why communists are more acceptable than nazis is because communism is integrated into the current culture and government system - communists share the same moral principles as neo-liberals, not the details but pillars like egalitarianism, globalism, anti-racism, internationalism, etc. You are told to from birth to hate nazis and in every school they show you a sidereel of holocaust victims and basically give you a form of PTSD in your earliest years to respond like many people here have done, emotionally, to defend the system's opinion on nazis.
Nazis are basically the most revolutionary and anti-status quo political group out there, that is why it is always humorous to see communists openly stating everywhere they are communists and expect to be persecuted for being so revolutionary, but they are instead usually patted on the back and thought as 'well intentioned'. A good test to see what is more revolutionary in this context is: say "fuck the bourgeoisie" and "fuck the jews" see which one is more offensive and can penalize you socially, economically and so on - these are more or less interchangeable terms nazis and commies use for their paradigm narratives.
>>46897583
Know what's a funny detail. All those Africans, Arabs and Asians and tons of other people of various none white backgrounds that fought for Germany served under the SS, since it was either them or the army, and the army is for germans, but in order not to confuse anything, since they still weren't considered as good as Germans and their white allies, their divisions were termed "divisions of the SS " rather than "SS divisions" like the ones consists of Germans, Scandies, Dutch etc. Himmler felt it was a very important distinction to make.
>>46897721
so what? are you implying because of that he VISCERALLY HATED and was frothing at the mouth about them?
>>46885085
To be honest it feels more like Holy Roman Empire and Byzantium.
>>46897712
Mostly I think people like commies more than nazis around these parts is because nazis invaded us an occupied us for 5 years while trying to ship off a percentage of the populations for all kinds of reasons. Commies never did any of that to us. So to us communism is just a dumb system that doesn't work, while nazis were the latest incarnation of German fucking shits stealing our clay. Or I guess the latest incarnation are German tourists digging up our beaches like it's 1942 or buying up beach property, but at least they pay this time around.
>>46897736
Nah, I'm implying he was a silly man making pointless distinctions to delude himself into thinking his fighting force was more in line with his beliefs. Sorta like looking a gift horse in the mouth but still using it because you need to, but at the same time trying to pretend you're not because it's beneath you.
>>46897762
I'm talking about the West in general. If you're from the border countries around what was the Soviet Union, I'd look a bit more into your history. In Poland, Katyn, mass deportation of Poles from the Suwalki region to Siberia, Baltic States, complete horror ring of NKVD terror, etc.
>>46897788
OK so an opinion entirely irrelevant and worthless to what you were responding to?
>>46897788
iirc as well the german SS divisions were far more disciplined and better fighters than most other SS non-germanic ones
>>46897583
>he believed german culture to be superior however - that isn't hatred
Homicide by economic negligence, expulsion, ethnic cleansing, liquidating the intelligencia, and purging Slav history isn't much better than active hate.
Additionally, there were projects to reeducate Polish children judged to be the descendants of German Settlers. All of this is more than enough to conclude the point was to Germanize Slavic lands, even if we avoid discussing the goal of Lebensraum, Anticommunism, or Hitler's conclusion that Slavs were ruled by Jews because they were unfit to rule themselves.
You have an argument that requires work to counter, but even if true, it's not much of a difference in the end. Slavs would give up their heritage, their labor, their food to serve German masters.
>>46897568
Witness our demise
>>46897814
Likely had more attention paid to their training and were likely also easier to train due to common cultural priorities. A bunch of Africans are gonna give a single fuck about communism or jews in the 1940s, and even today, training soldiers from different cultures is immensely difficult, why the Iraqi army and Afghan army generally have a reputation for being so fucking useless, they just don't respond to what westerners try to teach them and we get a subpar product.
>>46897791
If I was Estonian or the like, I'd probably hate the red withs a fucking passion yeah.
>>46897803
He has a point, but he doesn't assert it as directly as he should have.
Trying to get a cogent, objective viewpoint out of Hitler isn't going to happen. At best you're getting emotional responses dressed in rhetoric.
There isn't much more than slender nuance in the difference between hate and scorn, contempt, or antipathy as far as Thirty Years War macroeconomics are concerned. The biggest distinction is anyone who looked Germanic was offered to become one. Jews didn't have such luck, even when many Nazi officials confided in knowing "a good Jew."
>>46884683
Well it's an SU group so they'd probably be asked to leave, but I wouldn't mine playing them at the FLGS outside of Student's Union rules.
>>46897721
>Our Italian ally has been a source of embarrassment to us everywhere. It was this alliance, for instance, which prevented us from pursuing a revolutionary policy in North Africa. [...] Had we been on our own, we could have emancipated the Moslem countries dominated by France; and that would have had enormous repercussions in the Near East, dominated by Britain, and in Egypt. But with our fortunes linked to those of the Italians, the pursuit of such a policy was not possible. All Islam vibrated at the news of our victories. The Egyptians, the Irakis and the whole of the Near East were all ready to rise in revolt. Just think what we could have done to help them, even to incite them, as would have been both our duty and in our own interest! But the presence of the Italians at our side paralysed us; it created a feeling of malaise among our Islamic friends, who inevitably saw in us accomplices, willing or unwilling, of their oppressors. For the Italians in these parts of the world are more bitterly hated, of course, than either the British or the French. The memories of the barbarous, reprisals taken against the Senussi are still vivid. Then again the ridiculous pretensions of the Duce to be regarded as The Sword of Islam evokes the same sneering chuckle now as it did before the war. This title, which is fitting for Mahomed and a great conqueror like Omar, Mussolini caused to be conferred on himself by a few wretched brutes whom he had either bribed or terrorized into doing so. We had a great chance of pursuing a splendid policy with regard to Islam. But we missed the bus, as we missed it on several other occasions, thanks to our loyalty to the Italian alliance! In this theatre of operations, then, the Italians prevented us from playing our best card, the emancipation of the French subjects and the raising of the standard of revolt in the countries oppressed by the British.
t. Hitler, hater of Arabs
>>46897996
I suck at asserting things directly, my thinking is too unstructured and I go on weird tangents or change subject seemingly at random because through a set of related thoughts in my mind, it's totally related.
I 4chan I just shit out whatever comes to mind.
>>46898204
It's no problem in an amateur debate. People in general don't naturally structure their logic, that is a matter of practice. That's why we invented the editing process.
>>46898084
Now now, the comment you referred to didn't state Hitler hated Arabs, only that they were considered inferior.
>Nah, I'm implying he was a silly man making pointless distinctions to delude himself into thinking his fighting force was more in line with his beliefs.
Yep.
>>46897208
I love these people
Most of the time they're trying to get petitions signed, since they usually don't bother me I sign them and it's a great occasion to start a conversation to tell them all about how communism is a spook
> /tg/
> thread about Nazi
> still can't control themselves and keep prattling about evil Communism
>>46898312
I'd take a nazi over a commie any day of the week. At least nazis weren't disgusting globalists, like commies are. Globalism is the enemy of all sovereign peoples.
>>46894043
Die, bourgeois filth
>>46898538
>globalism is the enemy of all sovereign peoples
Okay, capitalist slave
>>46884683
I thought it was all Nazi imagery in the first place. He better fucking Heil Hitler at every turn though if he went through all the effort.
>>46887122
Nice facebook post grandpa.
>>46898659
Capitalists are also disgusting globalists. I am a nationalist, and in my eyes, the economy should serve the needs of the nation and the denizens of that nation, instead of the corporations. The redistribution of wealth that commies advocate for would hurt the nation and the people just as much as unchecked capitalism does.
Speaking of Hitler, saw this on /v/ and it made me sad.
Look at peaceful artist Hitler. He looks like such a kind man.
>>46898892
There is a parallel universe somewhere out there where Hitler was Bob Ross.
>>46898929
>Und zere must be schwarz, don't forget ze schwarz
>Zey remind you that life has its schwarz parts, and zese schwarz parts vill pass
>>46898763
Nationalism is such a childish ideal that one place is better for no reason and that some people are better because they happened to be born to a certain country.
The economy should be grown for the support of the citizens as you said, but I don't see how feeding the whole country first is more harmful than using that money for personal gain
>>46898892
>hitler becomes artist instead of fuhrer
>no one to stop the commies running
>commies take leadership of Germany
>commie Germany sides with Russia in WW2
>commies now have the man power of Russia and the tech of nazis
Yeah the world would have been great if hitler has become an artist.
Though i would rather see his art then modern "art".
>>46899419
You have a childish idea of what nationalism is.
>>46898892
I'm catching your feels.
>>46898763
In this new world that you envision, do you think people will finally respect you?
>>46899419
No, this is a globalist cancer.
A culture, much like a food, can have an international renown. But the culture emanates from a national source. For we love to speak of French Wines, or Germany engineers, but not any wine or any engineer.
The thing about the nation and the state is that they are two distinctive and separate concepts which overlap. The Nation exists as a metaphysical idea about a geography, normally defined by europeans/neo-europeans according to language, culture and geography. But the state is government, law and politics.
Prior to the French Revolution, the elites of a nation could guide the people of a nation and lead their almost private wars for their personal interests without truly ravaging the countries and lands around it.
But after the French Revolution, or after Alexander the Great in the classical era, the State began to supersede the nation, defining what the nation was and assigning identity by necessity because of the enfranchisement of common men in the political process.
By enfranchisement, you can bring forth your virtuous men and give them political power in exchange for military service. This is what the early roman republic did and what western nations did.
But this comes at a cost, because these mass wars cull the very best of the population and have negative effects on the general population. The bravest, brightest and most virtuous are destroyed, leaving no genetic legacy and instead the cowardly/weak survive to continue the line. Consider Britain, France or Germany for example, where the best stock of the French youth was destroyed in WW1, as well as the best of Germany in WW1 and WW2.
This culling seriously hampers the nation's strength with time, leaving only the victors with that masculine bloodline.
So we had the United States and Russia come out of those mass wars, but they have been destroyed by peace and prosperity. Why would you be virtuous or strong when you can enjoy peace without end?
>>46899756
What exactly are you trying to say? Mostly sounds like:
>nation states are shit because the common man gets a say
>this means the best people get send to war and die
>so only the shits are left
>but then peace is also shit because virtues stem from war and thus people become shit too
>but it's okay when nobility throw the peasantry's lives away all nilly willy for personal interests
>because these kinds of wars somehow never ravaged countries
>and it's all alexander and napoleons fault
You lost me.
>>46899756
Continued.
So instead, we grow degenerate. Vote for welfare, assuming our prosperity will last forever. But common people never want to take action before it is too late, nor will they ever be willing to collectively sacrifice for some greater good unless under the guidance of virtue, out of necessity and without religion to train them in virtue.
So instead we watch our grand fathers empires fall apart and wonder why? We assume the prosperity will last forever, so we give women the vote and lose sight of what made our prosperity in the first place.
Even now, when the world is really pushing against the west, people don't actually attempt to grasp for control of their own destiny. Instead they don't even mind when their democracies effectively end with excessive rigging/gerrymandering(Sweden, Germany, France).
So the west still has the ideological advantage, we attempt to project our culture onto alien people, with a lust for material expansion to cover for a lack of martial courage within ourselves. And we end up electing increasingly powerful executive governments, using extreme legalism with excessive domestic force to ensure control.
We are multicultural, but what does citizenship matter when everyone is a citizen. But how can we trust our own citizens if they might be our enemies? Develop a police state.
Wealth isn't just produced, it seems to have a lot to down with the self-confidence and vigour of a people, the adaptable and incorruptible nature of government, the just and merciful nature of its laws and perception by other people's/cultures.
The USA is the corpse empire, and it knows it.
>>46897335
>The difference is that the United States wasn't trying to subvert Great Britain's democratic process
You what imbecile? Do you know how much USA spends on "donations" to politicians and parties friendly to their interest? How many various "friend of America" lobbies there are in NATO countries? Or hell, even outright illegal, completely subverting laws of host country organizations (such as Gladio) that were fucking supposed to _take over_ NATO governments making them US puppets in all but name in case of heightened tensions or war with Soviet Union to ensure Europe once again bloodies the invader and US forces can swoop in when the fighting is done?
CIA knew a lot of politicians learned from WW2 and they outright bought a lot of disgusting neonazi leaning scum to ensure they wouldn't waver carrying US orders, and the uh, inconvenient facts like say Italian mafia murdering dozens of left leaning politicians and hundreds of innocent cops using guns USA provided for mafia-run Gladio groups are, us, state secrets to not pollute nice relations between these two countries. USA also tried to set up fucking neonazi gangs in my country too as "anti-Soviet fighters" but thankfully our special services weren't bought and instead set up sting operation using their informants confiscating thousands of machine guns and several dozen gold bars, sadly, in the name of "friendly relations" it was mostly covered up and you can only find obscure relations in the memoirs of retired officers who served in 50s. Thanks to that, we have ignorant imbeciles like you thinking today USA was some kind of white knight when they fucking armed actual fucking death squads in 40s and 50. Even heard of Indonesian Genocide, you drooling moron?
Also, LOL at the number of idiots believing russophobe Suvorov ramblings about planned Soviet invasion. Go read actual historians or military officers, they debunked that garbage a million times.
>>46884683
We play bolt Action, so it'd be par for the course. Well, except for Hitler himself leading since he never did that.
>>46899915
Because the casualties literally devastate nations. When 10% of the population dies, that destroys the stock out of which your culture grows and adapts.
When nobles played war, it didn't destroy the lives of common people. Casualties were incredibly low in most European wars prior to Luther.
Nobles produce far more children than they need to rule, so the constant quelling and culling of elites allows warfare for gain and culture growth.
But when you enfranchise the masses, you gain the greatness which can come from common people. But wars between mass armies destroy the population of a nation.
Napoleon and Alexander were both nobles who use mass armies, and political enfranchisement to fight, exploiting the already virtuous population against foreign opponents.
But once you start using mass armies, you can't revert backwards. Until those mass armies destroy each other.
>>46899704
What? How is that even a relevant question?
>>46899996
Honestly sounds more in favour of despotism than nationalism. What stops nobles from fielding mass armies? Doesn't it just come down to how much they want something?
>>46900513
We will end up with despotism. But that will oppress everyone.
It is hard to compare the present with the past, because the levels of social organization and scale. But before the 18th century, it would have been very difficult for a mass army to truly arise, for the ideas which supported it were not quite there yet. But once a tradition has been broken, you can't go back.
The despotism will see our society run out of energy.
>>46887067
Aa a citizen of gdansk... I have mixed feelings. On one hand we have:
>>46887252
On the other I see how this city is mismanaged and slowly turning to shit, city sold part of historical Park of Oliva - literally the most important, and best looking Park in this city.
Not to mention that back then Gdynia(which is basically a neighbor city) was the most important port of Poland - and it would get chucked hard by this.
>>46890017
We would band together, BTFO the invaders and go back to shitting in each others' gardens.
>>46894581
I would play vs them.
My flgs is known for black humour, inappropriate jokes and all that.
Our grammar nazi wears wermacht eagle with gramatik macht frei under it.
>>46898749
>getting mad at the truth
Shit I forgot how cucked redditors are
>>46899573
>no one to stop the commies
nigga plz. Germany had a civil war between WW1 and WW2 because of Communism. I bet you that whom ever would become chancellor of Germany would see communist Russia as a threat, and at least put up some defenses.
>>46884683
>>46885253
This gives me an idea for an XI Legion and their Primarch. We'll call him Zitler. He lands on an industrialized Teutonic kind of world which has been enslaved by some horrible xenos. The humans there are crying out for a savior, and just for giggles Tzeentch somehow gets a copy of Mein Kampf into his hands. Years later the Emperor and his Crusade finally arrive, by which time The Zit's space-NSDAP have conquered the entire sector. He's completely disgusted by the motley crew of freaks this "Emperor" dares to claim are his brothers, and decides that it is up to him to cleans the rest of the human sphere of "untermench." Emps is all like "notto disu shitto agen!" Hilarity ensues. Tzeentch nearly dies laughing.
>>46885718
9. Having Italy as an ally
10. Not coordinating operations with Japan
11. Invading Russia (yes I know it's already listed but it really bears repeating)
Nothing wrong with playing as the bad guys.
However, if he's the sort of person who believes that the Nazis were not, in fact, the bad guys, I don't think we'll get along very well.
>>46896268
Not all the germans...
>>46899935
>Thanks to that, we have ignorant imbeciles like you thinking today USA was some kind of white knight when they fucking armed actual fucking death squads in 40s and 50. Even heard of Indonesian Genocide, you drooling moron?
Wonderful straw man, comrade froth. May I suggest you quit with the whataboutism, check your salt, and actually discuss the question instead of sweeping Soviet bullshit under an American rug.
>You what imbecile? Do you know how much USA spends on "donations" to politicians and parties friendly to their interest?
The liquidation of all parties and counterparties constituting a rival to CPSU one-party rule. The prevention of independent institutions, watchdogs, companies, clubs and sports teams because they constituted a party in Soviet opinion.
The frankly disgusting, extralegal, incestuous relationship CPSU had with RSFSR policymaking, governance, and legal system. The KGB and KGB active reserve ensuring institutional compliance with the Party. The requirement to join the Party in order to enter into politics worth a damn. The rubber stamp parliament dominated by CPSU cadres.
The use of Nazi tactics to subordinate and destroy rival parties in favor of handpicked Communist cadres west of the RSFSR. The use of Soviet troops occupying those countries as brownshirts, breaking up political meetings, harassing political rivals with police powers, assaulting, murdering, assassinating. The use of extralegal methods with a thin veneer of legitimacy to install People's Republics. Hungarian Uprising. T-55s in Budapest. Prague Spring. VDV controlling the airport. The colonization and destruction of self-determination in Ukraine. The damage of Finnish sovereignty.
You're such a fucking hypocritical bitch for trying to sweep any of this under a rug. No amount of blaming the United States excuses it.
>Go read actual historians or military officers, they debunked that garbage a million times.
I didn't know reading Lenin wasn't actual history.
>>46884683
>my group primarily plays bolt action
We say nice army
>>46902664
It would still be anachronistic to have Hitler actually leading the army.
Then again since when does Bolt Action care about being historical?
>>46896268
>>46901841
Daily reminder that NK operates death camps.
>>46884683
We have a guy who dressed up his black sun guys in nazi SS colors iirc (or was commie, I don't remember now) again, Bsun is umbrella corps so it doesn't go that far and the tabletop doesn't have yehudah
>>46899573
Wow, and he was unsuccessful?
We need to raise him from the dead and show him FurAffinity's more successful artists, and get a photograph of his face when.
>>46885842
only good extremist is a dead extremist
>>46884683
>WW2 SS army
>no Nazi symbols
>no Nazi colours
>not having pic related as your command group and transport
It's a good thing I don't live in Socialist Somalistan.
>>46901445
Shall we have another Lost Primarch deliver some righteous ass-kicking?
>>46885426
I know this is /pol/ b8, but have any anftifa faggots actually met a real fascist? No, not people they don't like who they arbitrarily label as fascist.
I mean, and actual, flesh and blood person who espouses the ideals of fascism?
Do they exist?
>>46885642
/thread
>>46904766
They do, but they're as rare as an unicorn. Most of the time the so called "fascist" are fat angry white guys who say they're "neo-nazi's". As someone who somewhat respects Nazi Germany (not a fan of the genocide part, but I can understand as to why Nazism rose in Germany), I despise the neo-nazi's and so called "fascists".
>>46897227
>not an argument?
>>46897476
>an army of goofy looking nazi orks led by mega gitler.
WE'Z IZ GOTS TA SEK-YUR DA EKIZIZTENZ UV DA ORKS AN' A FU-CHA FOR DA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
>>46904916
So, you're like me then.
I mean, fascism isn't terrible system in practice- barring the genocide and general atrocities that Hitler gave to it.
Also, Mussolini was a faggot who wanted to be Hitler after Hitler did a better job with his system than he did.
STILL, on a theoretical and somewhat practical scale, fascism was VERY effective as a government type.
>>46905390
Exactly! It's also nice see someone like myself. Usually, it's a bunch of fat angry white guys talking about exterminating anyone they don't like. Fucking ridiculous.
>>46900764
Wypierdalaj z 4chana niedzwiedz pedale jebany.
>this thead is full of ""people"" that would actaully get triggered by a bunch of plastic men painted in a way they didn't like, regardless of the quality of the paintjob or demeanor of the owner .
If done poorly, as in being more about throwing swastikas on shit than anything else, than hell no. That's just edgelord bullshit, or a neo-nazi.
If it's done well, as in looking like the Wehrmacht and the nazi iconography in used in appropriate proportions than that's fine with me.
>>46884683
We'd play.
Nothing. If the guy himself is alright, I'll gladly play with him, no matter what his political views are.
I've had a really introvert dude coming at our FLGS for the first time, decided to make a Wehrmacht-themed skitarii army, with modified symbols and such. He even gave me some tips with using decals on my IK. I start talking to him and turns out he's a huge nationalist and also training to be a policeman.
But nobody I'm the group cares, even if some hardcore socialists are with us. We just play and help each other with the hobby.
>>46885495
Fuck my sides.
>>46885870
That's because they don't bathe.
>>46897281
honestly that's kinda bullshit, steel legion are legit wehrmacht clones
>>46887122
and all members of the Ku Klux Klan are Christian.
Let's bomb the south.
>>46909195
ISIS crimes are way worse and widespread than KKK crimes. It's kind of sad the only thing to demonize Christianity you moronic devil's advocates can come up with is KKK or Westboro.
>>46909195
How about we bomb everyone who's a part of the Abrahamic religion. Win/win scenario eh?
>>46909256
I'm down with this.
Literally nothing wrong with that. Some people like to have fun with their armies and customize them. I would start to complain if someone came in with a Brettonian army made out of MLP toys however.
>>46909249
Scale has no bearing on the logic involved.
>>46909256
not EVERYONE who is a part of the Abrahamic religions. just the zealous fuckwits that cause suffering with their extremism.
the ones that remember the universal rule "don't be a dickhead" those we want to keep.
>>46909404
Jump on board my good friend.
>>46909517
You've got a point, we should only bomb extremists and zealots. However, than every extremist and zealot needs to feel the power of thousands of pounds of explosives.
>>46885751
Almost every one of those people look like raging faggots
>>46909580
>feel the power of thousands of pounds of explosives
so to get this back on track.....
we're sending the Imperial Guard against the tainted parts of the Ecclesiarchy? i'm down for that.
>>46909580
The good thing with bombing extremists is that their non-extremists relatives tend to lean towards extremism after their extremist relatives are bombed. So what we need to do is make a great line of them, sorting them from least extreme to most extreme, and then start bombing in the extreme end, and as we progress in the non-extremist direction everyone in the line goes more an more extremist, so everyone's an extremist by the time our bombs reach them.
>>46900300
Because you seem to be channeling some serious anger into a fascistoid messiah complex?
>>46909537
>>46909195
>mfw my church was threatened by the KKK because we allowed a black priest to preach back in the day
>they also think we worship the literal devil
Man those KKK guys are funny.
>>46909711
>these religons are so violent it just rubs me the wrong way
>lets kill them all!
I'm not saying that you should be actually shot, but you should consider being actually shot.
>>46899933
>excessive rigging/gerrymandering(Sweden, Germany, France).
You forgot the USA.
>>46909711
>>46888960
>Also, if you are less tolerant towards "SJWs" than genocidal anti-semites, you should consider suicide.
They are both equally worthy of derision. They're basically different sides of the same coin at this point.
>>46909726
Shark teeth, my fetish. Yeah, I didn't put a spoiler on that, whatcha going to do brah?
>>46909195
You act like the KKK has anywhere near as much power or clout in the South as ISIS does in the Middle East.
>>46885480
Well, nobody in America glorifies Manifest Destiny nowadays either, so you have a pretty moot point.
>>46896402
Well, the majority of Russians are ones who grew up in the Soivet Union, where I'm sure it was not very wise to talk ill of Stalin. Maybe old nationalist feelings die hard? Or maybe they really think he did a good job.
>>46884683
>play goofy nazi stereotype
acceptable
>actually comes in wearing nazi regalia and worships Hitler
Our GM is the secular ultra-Jew, and despite being staunchly impersonal in his in-game decisions, would probably boot.YFW you're /pol/: the player and your closest friend atm is your jewish GM
>>46885718
>killing Jews rather than recruiting them as "enhanced labor"
Yeah, it's weird how somebody in the middle of a two-front war would just throw away free labor like that; and blowing all his money on killer masturbation machines and electro-pools too. Sure is odd.
>>46884683
I'd the same reaction as if he had brought an MLP, Sonic, or anime themed army, which would be to politely and vigorously refuse to play him.
Only retarded memers like Hitler.
>>46897479
>missing a potential reference this hard
>>46885197
>You said it, they stink on ice.
>>46909415
So... there's nothing wrong with how people make their army, except when they make it in a way that you don't like.
Really, dude?
>>46885480
That's because America didn't call the Jews out on their shit.
>>46910863
The fuck's the point of producing more tanks and planes when you don't have the oil to run them?
>>46886071
>create massive movement to combat the spread of communism
>don't stand up to the biggest communist state in history living right next door
Just imagine what Europe would look like today if the Third hadn't decimated Soviet numbers in WWII.
>>46910915
If the are using actual toys instead of miniatures, then yes. Something like >>46885253
would be cool to see on the tabletop as it is well painted and shows some effort and skill. An out of the box made in China MLP figurine doesn't have any of that artistry, and frankly would just be stupid. If they had some grail knight figures that happen to be painted in pastel colors then I would be kind of irritated, but wouldn't mind playing with them as it is just another take on Brets, as distasteful as it would be to those of us who don't masturbate to horses.
>>46910945
>tanks and planes
>not food, ammunition, medical supplies, winter uniforms
>not helmets and artillery and trains
>not supply lines or training camps or feeding POWs
k
