Where to find judge and player fooling proxies/fakes?
Post you're proxies bad or good!
If I see one more idiot telling us to white with a marker on a sticky note I'm going to throttle them.
Pick is people who spend thousands on MTG when they find out people are playing with proxies in tournaments.
>>46866570
Post pics so we can start flinging shit at eachother.
>>46866570
>If I see one more idiot telling us to white with a marker on a sticky note I'm going to throttle them.
Make sure you have the five mana open, then.
Just write with a marker on a sticky note.
Here are a couple I own
I'm planning to a make an alternate art Weapons Trainer for my Standard deck.
I would use this artwork, it's not used in any card that I know of.
But I'm not so sure. It looks kinda weird.
>>46866865
Okay if those are actual fakes, then it's scary. I can't spot something wrong at first glance.
>>46866865
Do you have a real Goblin Guide to compare? Or a red creature card that we could use.
>>46866865
Isn't Goblin Guide supposed to be mythic?
>>46868017
They are
>>46868099
Uh, no.
>>46867768
Weapons trainer has some of the worst stock art ever. I own a foil of it and it makes it look even more puke.
Fuck. I'm gonna crap shoot and say the one on the left is the proxy. You can tell there's a difference with the brightness of specific details in the image.
>>46868597
These look great. Where did you get them?
>>46868721
I was gonna say right... It's too dark
>>46868597
is the right one fake?
the uncommon symbol looks to dark and the words should be more spread apart.
>>46867768
Because I love you.
>>46867768
Funny thing actually, I just pulled two copies of weapons trainer from the same exact pack today. One foil and the other not.
>>46868597
Right's color is weird. I would ask a judge.
>>46869089
>OOW
>Jizzards of the coats
anyone have real goyf vs proxy goyf?
Need to know if it will be okay for FNM.
>>46868740
Villa zheng
>>46869345
Is noticeable cause they are side to side. If you only have the proxy, its not so obvious
>>46868597
These are both real printings. Shows the massive deviation in prints.
Sorry proxy thread.
>>46869089
Thanks, Anon.
I like the jokes on Wizz.
Still, it's too lowres for me to print it.
Should I just scan my card and paste that art over it?
Do you guys have any method to make those?
>>46870037
I used Magic Set Editor. I could try to alter the dpi or find the high-res template to install, but that's the best I can do for now. MSE's home site removed their high-res package a while ago because they hate fun, so if you want it yourself it might take some looking around.
>>46866865
Mana symbols aren't centered
>>46868597
>>46869802
>"Wizards of the Coast , Inc"
they don't misprint commas that are not supposed to be there.
>>46866570
>post you are proxies
Nigga I'm not a proxy
>>46876303
fuck off then
we're all proxies here
I'll post a whole bunch when I get home. I have a ton of the original stoneman prints.
One I made with transparency method.
The thing is that black thin lines and letter are like fuzzy, not well defined. But it is a printing issue obviously, I cant make cards like wotc.
Where to buy proxies?
I'm wondering now where I can find a good altered art card for a friend? We play casual but he loves some of the $6 altered art cards.
>>46878584
MCM, local stores, Etsy and such
>>46875104
These are actually both cards I pulled myself. Thanks for playing yourself.
>>46866865
Doesn't look too bad.
Do the proxies feel the same as a real card?
Does it pass a light test?
>>46876284
That's not a misprint, there are actually commas in some of the cards. Look up an image of claw of gix for an example.
>>46876284
Wow you are really this stupid.
You think they added them in for shits and giggles? Those are on the original prints you fucking aspie.
Why don't people just get like the borders of their proxies altered. Then if they look odd it's the alter.
There seem to be 2 big names. One uses blue core, one uses black core. Who should I order Goblin Guides/Eidolon of the Great Revel and dual lands from?
Jason Lung: Black core, passes all tests but rip.
Villa Zheng: Blue core, thinner, huge printing mistakes (wrong tap symbols, smears, etc) but a few of the cards are very passable. Most popular fake maker.
I'm on the fence. Why can't they just be perfect?
>>46880291
Give it more time anon. They seem to be constantly improving.
>>46880256
Brings more attention to them.
>>46880291
Villa zheng is black core
>>46880349
But how to really judge fakes if most problems can be attributed to alter. Border issues and colors can be put as alter right?
>>46880360
Well then I'll try Jason Lung. In the videos his cards just look super dark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5ETqTZsbKI
>>46880441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov4dJS04waU
Sometimes I post pictures of real cards and watch people point out asinine shit on how they're obvious fakes
Got this from chink on aliexpress
>>46880613
It's really fun. I'll pick out the worst prints in my legit folder and post them as the "players" on here call out how obvious it is they are fakes.
>>46880697
Looks good besides potato quality.
Who was the seller?
>>46880471
But I need Goblin Guide and dual lands/fetch lands which are not in the "new" set. I'd be buying play sets, not just a deck of random 1 of's.
>>46880471
what the fuck.
When did he get this good?
Does Villa Zheng sell individual cards?
>>46880751
>>46880790
Email him and ask
>>46880471
wowowowowowow
I just emailed him.
>>46876307
I'm not a proxy, but I am behind seven of them.
http://www.gatheringhouse.imgur.com
>>46882017
Link not working
>>46883124
The correct link for Jason's imgur http://gatheringhouse.imgur.com/all/
Kind of on the fence about who to order from.
>>46883487
Wow. Every one of his cards has a comma before "Inc".
I'll be buying from Zhong.
>>46883487
>Gathering house has AV
Just what i need besides baby jace for my grixisfag control
>>46883487
Email?
Zheng sent me current info...
Look at this lands parentheses... Lol.
You'd think they would pay more attention. Also every card has a comma before "Inc" haha.
Why are they so fucking stupid.
>>46887663
They are not stupid. They do proxy. Not counterfeits. Do you understand what I'm saying?
>>46887663
So, you're a retard, got it. Everything on that proxy matches to an actual Guildpact Stomping Ground.
2/10 got me to reply.
>>46887796
He has side by side pics. His are way too dark to even come close. Here is an example and its not even the worst.
>>46889612
You can easily get away with that considering Wizards' shit quality control. I have legit cards that are more off than that, and I do know they're legit because no one would print counterfeits for 10 cent cards.
>>46887663
>Using real cards as bait
>>46889612
I believe all the proxy cards a darker than the originals
Sadly I don't think they can figure out how to fix it. .
>>46891318
So then any card that looks darker should be a huge red flag to act player that the card is a fake.
Guess it's all for nothing. Zhengs greedy now too. 3.45 per card.
>>46891623
Now they're good quality but shit for $3.45 a proxy I can just print it on cardstock and put it in a sleeve.
I'm not going to tournaments with any of this shit.
>>46892086
Yeah, but I am.
I'll just use it for extremely expensive cards.
>>46880471
Like i've been warning you faggots for the past 6 months or so. It's all only cardboard and this chinaman is slowly but sure working towards perfection.
Then when that happens they will be made by the thousands and create new supply and you faggots who having been hoarding 1400 copies of a rare or uncommon to drive up the price will have "muh investments!" shattered.
Thats IF the game survives 600$ standard decks that rotate in 1 year anyway. Modern is officially dead to wizard as they arent even covering it any more. Who knows how long until commander decks are axed.
This is a dying game and there is legitimate problems with it when modern costs about as much as an entire months worth of rent money for a 3+ bedroom apartment.
I have figured this shit out in less than 2 years playing....
Wizards: Reprint rare mythic and uncommon cards and sell the playsets for 5-10$ per set.
>>46892666
Uh. Everyone in this thread knows that. That's why we use fakes.
>>46892666
This is basically the truth.
That said, if the proxy makers actually got proper printing equipment they would have made 100% undetectable proxies already. But they haven't, cos they either can't afford to buy one, or can't get access to proper printing equipment.
If you could get original printers/equipment from the 1990s (how hard can it be, they must have made millions of em) you would have 100% perfect "proxies".
>>46894050
Id assume that's how these cards are being made already?
>>46876284
Sorry to burst your bubble but every corporation has a comma before Inc. in their legal names, DBA's, and trade-names. It's this new thing called grammar.
>>46894050
Or they sell them for their secondary market price because they're not stupid, and they also sell all the experimental print runs as "proxies" because they're cunning on top of crafty.
We were never getting 100% undetectable $200 cards for $4.
>>46889612
On an unrelated note to this thread
How the fuck do you deal with that in an 1v1 scenario?
>>46897408
ask him "are these fakes bro?" and if he says yes, just keep playing and stop being such a fucking cunt.
if he says no just fight him there on the spot, allah will grant victory to whoever is right.
>>46897408
Golgari Charm, Mutilate, Killing Wave, Black Sun's Zenith, etc
Anything that doesn't target and doesn't damage.
>>46897408
What >>46897851 said.
Any forced sacrifice(edict effects) cards and cards that choose "targets" without actually literally mentioning the word target as a keyword in its abilities like Council's Judgement.
>>46896175
This makes sense. If they could make 100% convincing fakes, they wouldn't sell those for four bucks but for the full price on the secondary market - hell, it might already be happening, we wouldn't have a way to tell. Anyway, there is no incentive for them to ever make 'perfect' proxies.
>>46894050
Its not that, they could the equipment, but each machine of Offset printing (that is the method) prints different from each other. that's why there will never be perfect copies. but they sure can try manipulating the cuantity of ink they use to make the colors more like the real ones. just that is too hard and costy. i know because i work on offset printing
