Netepic Armageddon is a 6mm (1:285 scale) wargame set in the Warhammer 40 000 universe.
In 2003 GW published the fourth edition of Epic, Epic Armageddon.The game relied on community feedback during development and the living rulebook was made available via GW's Fanatic website. The rules are still available for free, but not supported by GW any more. Until the promised return of the specialist games by GW, the game is developed by the fans in the form of Net Epic Armageddon.
>Where do I get the rules?
http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/
>Where do I get those fan made minis that show up everywhere?
You post your email in Epic threads and hope that one of the recasters contact you.
>Where else can I get miniatures?
There is a lot of old epic stuff on Ebay and some manufacturers produce good proxies, like http://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/. Tacticalwargames.net, and other forums or facebook groups also do lots of trading in second hand epic minis.
>What's the game like?
Players alternate using parts of their armies called formations rather than moving and fighting with their entire force. Morale and fatigue is represented by giving “Blast Markers” to a formation when something bad happens to it, which gradually makes it less effective and stops more and more units in the formation from acting until they rally. The scale makes units with longer range weapons or high movement speed stand out more, makes manoeuvring more important and allows for the use of many units that are superheavy or above in Warhammer 40 000, such as Baneblades, fliers, knights or titans without warping the game too much.
In this anon's opinion, this is a great gamers game as well as a great hobby game. Not as clumsy or random as 40k. An elegant game... for a more civilized age.
This is what the forumware Reaver titan that you can buy from shady recasters that lurk on /tg/ looks like. The head shield is detachable and reveals the cockpit detail with the moderati and princeps, and it comes with several weapon options.
In game it's a beast like most titan weight units, but blowing up a bunch of tanks or several entire squads of infantry in a turn of shooting is not quite as terrifying when you have tons of them. Or titans of your own.
Bumping in the vain hope there's an Epic community within 2 hours of the Smoky Mountains.
6mm scale is the scale for me, especially with all the affordable third party model makers.
>>46858895
If you have anyone to play with at all, even if they don't play epic, collecting 2 armies doesn't break the bank and is a good way to introduce others to a tinier flavour of plastic crack.
I built an eldar and a space marine force when I first started and played with anyone who wanted to try.
>>46858807
Ah, about that, I do own the moulds - the original ones from the original creator - but with the condition of them... Ive had to re-print the entire titan and start from scratch with the moulds. So yes I can sell them... soon...
In all likelihood one of the other myriad of fellow dodgy bastards is able to sell you casts-of-a-cast in the meantime.
>>46859036
Also if anyone cries "where have I been" - blame the 'Strayans, they have a habit of sending me requests that suck up all my evenings for a month at a time.
>>46859036
I bought a pretty fresh cast besides some minor warping of the thin pieces due to pressure difference during making of mold vs casting of the resin I think, close to the end of last year, so they are still available from dodgy bastards like you said.
Also, I would do shameful, unspeakable things to you or people of your choosing in exchange for that 3D file.
Also, thank you for your service to the hobby, It's so great that people keep producing the forumware.
so it seems that posting a mail contact in these threads could help having a catalogue...
[email protected]
problem is, people willing to have some stuff will spam their e-mails and these threads will fuck off sooner, so to alleviate this, have some fitting image
Also posting email & pic, bought whole guard army for 300 $ and looking to get more titans, baneblades, etc.
[email protected]
Beautiful storm hammer
>>46858445
One of the anon's bitching earlier, I guess I'm just displacing my anger at 40k for not doing its thing as well as it could I still think that superheavies at 28mm scale can work but not the way GW is doing them, the game would need rules built from the ground up with then in mind
Lizardman fan, never got to get into fantasy battle, where can I find some stuff for warmaster?
>>46860218
Warmaster stuff is hideously expensive second hand, but you can find pdfs of the rulebook online and there are lots of random historical and fantasy miniatures in 6, 10 or 15mm to use (warmaster is 10)
The best versions of warmaster were the historical ones. Warmaster Ancients etc. No losing to highelf dragons on turn 1.
Went down to my LGS today and got Slavic Sales Clerk to round me up their ancient Epic stuff. From what I've seen it's several dozens of Marine, CSM, Eldar and Squat Infantry, a few dozens plastic Rhinos, Land Raiders and Eldar tanks and thirty or so sprues of all the same. Other than that I've seen a few boxes with Squat vehicles. He said he's going to have a list by the end of next week.
So, what's good prices for those? I'm thinking about 0,20 to 0,40 cents at most for the bases and 0,5 to 1 buck per tank.
>>46860690
Aww... I wanted to have a tiny army of dinosaurs riding giant dinosaurs
>>46861165
Just look for the same stuff on ebay, there's tons of it available there since that stuff came in the starter boxes, so everyone has a pile of old rhinos etc. It will give you a good idea about prices.
>>46861202
Rick Priestley's warmaster site has all the rules/variants for download. Also check out Pendraken/Magister Militum/Polar Fox studios for non-GW 10mm fantasy. Not sure if any of them have not-Lizardmen though.
www.ricks-warmaster.com
>>46859036
Hi Al, can I get on your mailing list? I've been ordering from the Aussie's but if you're US based, I'd rather order from you and avoid the heinous shipping fees.
onthelam08 (at) gmail dot com
Thanks!
>>46863446
Man if I didn't have a brazillion 40k recasts to paint I would totally ask for his catalog too. Must resist urge to collect more minis...
>>46863535
I hear you, I start a new game system every year, so it's too late for me. I figure I'll just stockpile now and when I'm retired in 30 years I can deal with them then. Stay strong.
Here's a NE:A battle rep to give people an idea of how the game plays. I'm hoping once I get a few Epic30k forces painted up I can start doing my own video bat reps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY3lobDH7I
>>46863617
I don't think they use the NE:A rules here, but the original Epic: Armageddon rules. Still a nice batrep to watch while doing some hobbying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPLKvti9zmA
I will email people, but give me... two weeks? ..to catch up on what Im behind on. Also as I change my email address regularly, I'd recommend only ordering a small thing off me first - it'd be far too easy for someone with an old version of my catalogue to rip people off.
And Im a Brit. There is definitely a yank recaster out there, but as with the ozzy and czech recasters the less we know about each other the better - means if someone gets caught nobody knows the others names/emails.
>>46859160
Sorry bud, this cost me as much as Ive made from recasts so far. I am using it as a basis to start modelling a warlord from though! Soon my pretty, soon....
Hello yes, I would too also like these models. Please every recaster send me their info so I can purchase these models. [email protected]
>>46863813
Hell, I'll wait two months if thats what it takes; just stoked at the chance of maybe finding someone not over the pond.
kraken9 (at) web dot de
And thank you.
>>46861202
Like this guy >>46863320 said, Pendraken has Normal and Tribal Lizardmen (pictured) in 10mm, Khurasan does some stuff in 15 that might work because of the already nonhuman size.
>>46861202
>>46864952
Also, theres Eureka USA, who sell these awesome looking chaps, pretty much exactly what you were looking for.
>>46863813
Do you cast in metal or resin?
>>46859744
>so it seems that posting a mail contact in these threads could help having a catalogue...
Good to know, i was looking for just that.
chrisnihilus @ hotmail.it
Anyone know were I can get Lucius Pattern Titans?
>>46863617
where are the 30k armies I wanna get into legio Cybernetica
>>46867085
Epicau.com is where the list are.
What exactly is the deal with the Tyranid bio-titans, anyway? There's only one model, which was sold as a Heirophant. It is absolutely huge compared to the 40k one, however. There's also the Dom, which is supposedly bigger and has more wounds, but is also tiny compared to it.
There's no models for anything between the range of the Trygon and the Heirophant. So just use whatever?
>>46868091
I use these bad boys.
http://wintersforge.weebly.com/ground-bugs.html
>>46859744
Please Recasters Help Me
[email protected]
>>46870365
Those look great!
Aussie here.
Looking to start. Anyone know if there are any players around the Newcastle/Hunter region?
What's it generally cost to buy a basic Epic army for whatever the lowest common points game is?
>>46874113
Depends. Mostly on how tank heavy your forces are most of the time.
Like 70-100 usually for 3k is average I think.
>>46874113
It depends very much on what army you are building and from what minis. If you're building Eldar with the last editín of GW minis and want lots of tanks, it gets expensive. If you're building space marines with lots of plastic, it gets cheap.
>>46874222
>>46874474
Neat, thanks mates. Maybe I'll post my email in one of the threads in a bit... just have to see if my roommate is willing to start playing or not. Since we're poorfags we'd probably end up doing SM vs SM. Are there chapter tactics in Epic?
>>46874615
Just do 30k epic if you want to run marine on marine. It's pretty brutal.
>>46865947
Honestly, the lucius pattern reavers you'll find will be recasts of the forgeworld original, and cost you twice as much as a forumware reaver which is twice as big.
You can get a forumware lucius warlord which is even bigger for less.
>>46874916
Yeah but I'm assuming you need special (more $$$) HH models for that? Or did they even make HH models? If all I have to do is paint them pre-Heresy colors then yeah I'd do thatfor the honor of Mortarion
sorry but I suck at google, I appreciate the help though
>>46875282
Dude, it's you and a friend playing a discontinued game kept alive by fans. If you want to, you can play with little matchstick cutoffs painted ultramarine blue vs goblin green, glued five to a penny.
There is a lot of horus heresy stuff being made too though, you can get them from resinbro or one of the other recasters, but just buy some old epic plastic marines and rhinos on ebay, they're dirt cheap.
>>46875282
yeah what >>46875384 said. just get some 20x40mm bases and label them for now what infantry they are, larger bases 20x20mm 40x40mm for vehicles. If you like the game, then figure out a way to get the good Epic30k casts.
>>46875384
>Dude, it's you and a friend playing a discontinued game kept alive by fans. If you want to, you can play with little matchstick cutoffs painted ultramarine blue vs goblin green, glued five to a penny.
Fucking kek. I, uh, somehow didn't think of that. I'm used to playing in a pretty strict store/meta. But yeah, good point m8.
>>46875410
>labelled bases
Good idea, thanks anon.
>>46863854
Fine, I'll sculpt and print my own reaver, with hookers, and blackjack!
For real though let us know when the reaver is available in metal again, I need that like millennials need discipline.
Please add me remaster [email protected]
I've used one guy before and they came out excellent
>>46858445
Why limit it to NetEA OP?
>>46875986
It's the most popular version of the rules and if people like it they're free to branch out.
Don't get me wrong, I love Netepic Gold and Heresy, etc (netepic is great for titan battles!) but netepic armageddon is the more approachable, smooth game with the more active community.
>>46875593
You need it like I need over the hill, regret filled gen-xers to stop moaning about millenials.
>>46877915
Okay, correction, I need it like millenials need to learn to take a joke.
>>46877915
LOL sounds like someone is triggered.
What makes you think the person making the comment is a "regret filled"? gen-xer?
Posting here myself: [email protected]
>>46858445
>You post your email in Epic threads and hope that one of the recasters contact you.
fiktivijus (at) yahoo . com
especially if in Europe.
>>46879987
Wow, I have not seen these before, we did you get that photo?
>>46870365
Thats amazing.
Also I was wrong. The reaver sized shrimp bug was sold as a heirodule. They really changed names. I mail ordered mine so dont have a box. I really like the model but i guess it counts as a hydraphant now.
Also the Dom model is awful. Looks like a giant headless termigant.
>>46858445
>That Fellblade
I would seriously be interested in buying a number of those if someone could point me in the direction of the producer.
>theshigure (at) gmail.com
>>46880074
its from a french 30k forum
>>46876009
What are the variations between the different versions ?
>>46880074
Got it from Facebook. Unfortunately the sculptor isn't selling to people right now.
>>46859036
Sign me up for that mailing list been looking to get into epic.
rex0809 (at) sbcglobal . net
>>46883164
Shame those look great
>>46885489
Hopefully the other casters who are selling primarch sculpts do a version of Perty and the ICs.
>>46858445
>>46863643
We've got to clear up the naming situation. imo, "NetEpic" and "Armageddon" should not be used together so the editions break down like:
NetEPIC: 2nd edition
Epic 40,000: 3rd edition
Epic Armageddon: 4th edition
If playing 4th ed, you then use the NetEA army lists (or EpicUK for tournaments there) with the Epic Armageddon rules. Let's not write out what NetEA stands for because that always gets confused with fucking NetEPIC, whose creators I hate for not coming up with a more distinctive name.
>>46875282
The HH models are fanmade. But the original Epic game, Space Marine, was set in the HH (so that both sides could use the exact same minis). It had marines, rhinos, and land raiders, that's it.
There's a starter guide if it helps anyone.
>>46885897
I only mention Epic: Armageddon and NE:A because in the video you can clearly see they're just using the original E:A rulebook. I don't find the difference between NetEpic and NE:A confusing at all. Probably because I don't play NetEpic at al and only play the HH expansion for NE:A.
Around how much would it cost me to pick up the 3000 points suggested for an Epic army? Are we talking a couple hundred dollars, several hundred, or a couple thousand?
>>46886038
Like it was said before, it varies. What army are you thinking of doing?
>>46886038
Also 3k is recommended for Epic30k. Regular Armageddon you only need 2k usually.
>>46886121
As a regular armageddon player, I'd say the game (or rather the rules used with the standard tournament scenario) shines at 3k or slightly higher.
>you play for all victory conditions not just 2 or 3
>the biggest titans become available at these points
>battlefield feels inhabited i stead of sparse
>still only takes 3h to deploy and play
Unless minigeddon, the lowest point value I'd recommend for regular play is 2400.
bump with official models
>>46885997
>I don't find the difference between NetEpic and NE:A confusing at all.
These threads bring in a lot of prospective players. Those that have done some research don't get confused. Others do. I've also seen a lot of former players of 2nd ed. show up, not having followed Epic at all the last 15 years, and getting confused.
>>46886038
Probably $250-300 for a standard 3000pt army if you're using new 3rd party minis. An eBay army can be significantly more unless you're being patient and only looking for minis sold near original prices.
>>46886121
Regular Armageddon works at 2000, but 3000 is standard. For Horus Heresy lists using the Armageddon rules, 4000 is standard.
>>46882763
See the guide here >>46885951
>>46889759
If you're using forumware resin minis, army building can actually get pretty cheap. 20 bases of various marines, a reaver or a couple of thunderhawks and a bunch of tanks is less than 100 burgerdollars.
>>46885897
Except the updated version of the armageddon rules is called Netepic Armageddon, and the rules are named as such when downloading them.
Netepic departs from 2nd edition in a nontrivial way so just saying it's 2nd edition is a bit of an oversimplification.
Yes, the names are a bit of a clusterfuck, but since this thread was made with netepic armageddon in mind I'm not going to mislabel stuff just for the 3 people, me included, who like Netepic too.
I mean, we could list heresy and adeptus titanicus too, but I'm just trying to get people interested so I focused on what I think is the easiest to get into and generally the smoother game.
>>46890639
To me, "netepic" means the fan refinement of 2nd. It's been in use for a long time, and earned the right not to lose its name to 4th ed.
Epic Armageddon's rules were updated in 2009, but not as "Net Epic Armageddon". The NetEA group did exist and helped out with the adjustments, but GW was still hosting the pdfs on their website at the time. It's simply Epic Armageddon v2. NetEA does list writing. And there's no confusion if we call it NetEA.
How would I find local players if I'm interested in starting epic? From Southwest Ontario btw.
Really hoping to get onto a mailing list, some of these homemade models are bloody masterpieces!
Williamsonltw [at] gmail [dot] com
>>46890824
http://miniwars.co.uk/players
Anyone know anywhere that does half decent Notwarhounds that delivers to the uk? My usual port of call is vanguard miniatures but they don't have anything that suits
>>46891046
Aliexpress if you don't need true scale
>>46886488
>still only takes 3h to deploy and play
.
I thought Epic was supposed to be a faster game than 40k?
>>46892371
We generally need two hours.
I wouldn't say it's faster, but that it's much more about movement and (post-deployment) positioning. Totally different game.
Okay, so further research comes up with the following;
Epic 40k Heirophant model (this is what I have) = EpicUk Hydraphant
Epic 40k Heirodule model (this is similar but actually smaller) = EpicUk Heirophant
No official model for the EpicUK list Heirodule
Is this right?
>>46893084
Yes, that's right. They probably did it to match FW's 40k naming system.
>>46893127
Understandable given how ancient the original Epic naming scheme is. It was throwing me off because I didn't realise that there were two different sized Bio-titan models until I saw them side by side. They look very, very similar.
Looks like I can get a nid list to fight my marines without too much issue. Just buy some rippers to use as raveners to go with my trygon, and then a handful of oop big guys to add to the swarms, like zoanthropes etc.
>>46893219
Yeah, sometimes they're well priced on eBay. Onslaught Minis and >>46870365 can help too.
There are some fanatic magazines at my FLGS, vol. 3 & vol. 4 I think, are they worth picking up?
>>46894702
Not really.
http://www.specialist-arms.com/fanatic/
>>46886100
Imperial Guard. I impulse bought two boxes from the FLGS, one were these cute, lil Death Korps guys along with some mortar team stands and the other was an artillery company I think (bunch of basilisks and manticores).
There's still one box of Death Korps infantry and a box of fliers (bombers?) at the FLGS I was thinking of grabbing.
>>46886100
>>46886121
>>46889759
Cheers.
>>46894875
The IG are probably Steel Legion, not DKK.
>>46894933
>>46894977
I went downstairs and checked the box and it just says "Siege Infantry Company" in English and "Baran Infanteriekompanie" is what I assume is German?
>>46894875
Trolls under the Bridge has Steel Legion-ish infantry. Their stuff isn't terribly detailed, but it paints up just fine. Email them or check their eBay store; they had to pull their 6mm stuff off of their website.
>>46895054
Baran is different... and weird. For some reason GW made a completely new IG army as an Epic Armageddon release. There's a Baran Siegemasters army list, but you're better off using the minis in a normal IG list (i.e. use the NetEA Steel Legion army list). The Baran list plays strangely and is more suited for scenarios, not general play.
>>46895054
Baran Siege Masters is an army list.
>>46892371
It's not really. The difference is that 40k spends so much time on just individual rolls and finnicky stuff, in epic a stand of orks firing at a rhino is just one roll.
But you spend a lot of time on movement and and dealing with morale and positioning etc.
So the game isn't really faster, but it feels like you get a lot more done in the same time if that makes sense.
One more for the mailing list please (especially 30k stuff)
Testingaccout (at) gmail .com
tfw nobody plays this where I live
>>46897641
It was the same for me, but it was pretty easy to get friends to start.
-Fights like in the good old 40k artwork, minis that are fast to paint, more balanced rules and it's way cheaper!
>But they're too small, I love the painting and converting!
So keep painting and converting all the 28mm minis you want, but play a game that doesn't take all year to finish an army for on the side.
>Oh.
Also, the first thing I did was build 2 armies, Eldar and Space marines, once people get to try it they tend to be pretty psyched.
Autistic basing question:
Standard infantry go on rectangle bases. However, I usually see titans based on round bases. Do some people base their titans on square bases so that you don't have a mis-match of shapes?
looking for that mailing list too!
carnifex7982 (at) yahoo . com
any players in western mass (USA)?
>>46899060
You can base them on any shape base you want. I'm super autistic so I base everything on rectangle bases with rounded corners that I make myself.
>>46899060
>opinions
I would say that infantry look great on square bases (or rectangular) because they line up well when placed with other infantry.
Bigger stuff seldom come in large numbers or are placed close together so round or oval bases look better on them.
It also helps facilitate those barging engagement moves quite nicely.
>>46899060
The basing situation is a clusterfuck in Epicbecause it's a GW gameand for some reason nobody ever bothered to fix it.
>>46899183
What's that between the reaver and doggie and where did you get it?
>>46899217
Doesn't help that it comes from an age where 40k also used a combination of bases. Things like Hive Tyrants and Warriors went on Ogre bases back then.
I can't really decide. I think the round bases look flat out better, but they mis-match.
I'm pretty set on 20x20 bases for carnifex and hive tyrant, and 40x20 for Trygon. Tanks I'm also unsure on, but I didn't actually own any, just loads of infantry, so once my rhinos arrive, I'll decide there.
>>46899060
Also you can base standard infantry on round or oval or square bases if you want. Horde armies like orks look awesome on round bases since you get more of a rabblerabble look instead of neatly lined up squads.
>>46899217
>>46899266
The different editions came with different bases, but gaming wise you're allowed to use whatever you like as long as it follows the sizing rules in the rulebook (max 40mm and minimum 5mm in any direction besides diagonally for infantry, as an example.) Bigger bases are easier to hit with templates, but you might hit slightly less of them, so it's really not a big problem, and it's nice to have some bigger bases if you don't like things looking too cramped or want a tiny tiny diorama.
>>46899220
It's a forumware Cerastus Knight Castigator copied from the ForgeWorld one (the taller knights that don't look like they're taking a shit like the standard ones.)
>>46899060
The original warhound Titan came on a square base while the larger ones were on round ones. It doesn't matter in the rules. Hell, 4th ed doesn't tell you what they should be on at all.
>>46899292
I went with rectangles with rounded corners because
A: Tanks look like shit on round bases unless you make them really big
B: squads look messy on round bases, I like the lined up look of the strips.
C:My autism gets incredibly triggered when square based infantry gets in combat with round based infantry, so I went with a compromise.
>>46899304
It feels dirty saying this, but something about Epic orks just doesn't appeal to me. The oldschool Tyrants are awesome (I like them better than the new designs), oldschool marines and guard have their charm. But Orks, the army I actually had a full army for when I played 40k, just don't do it for me.
Interesting point on those rounded bases though. Since I already own some nids on rectangles, I'll likely stick with that, since I have a back of unused rectangle bases on sprues. But there's definitely an appeal there.
>>46899220
Pic related
>>46899365
Meant to say Tyranids. Ironically the epic Tyrant looks awful (the 40k model he's based on is great). But everything else is cool.
>>46899345
Those do look good. Those are custom made, though, right? I know I end up with asymmetric fuck ups if I tried. Pre-fab bases for me.
I just make them out of 1mm plasticard. A steel ruler, a sharp hobby knife, draw lines with a fine marker, score with the knife, snap them off. Drill holes in half of them (6mm fits the plastic tabs epic minis are on) and glue them onto the other half. Snip off the corners strong scissors or cut them with a knife. Sand round with fine sandpaper on a flat surface.
It's a little bit of work, but not that much, I get them exactly the size I want them, can make different sized ones for different sized units and I don't have to mix manufacturers and shapes.
2mm is also the perfect thickness to get a good grip on them without having to touch the miniatures, because lifting 7mm tall resin guys by grabbing onto the dudes is just a recipe for heartbreak.
If you don't want to go through as much trouble though, you can order laser cut acrylic bases to whatever shapes and sizes you want and skip the cutting and sanding step, just drill and glue.
>>46863813
I'd like to get in contact as well
emraven@hotmail co.uk
>>46899497
I really like that idea; might end up stealing it from you.
Flames of War bases (or The Plastic Soldier Company bases, if you prefer them plain) work too. They're on the larger side but still legal.
where are the caster currently based in ?
is it possible there might be a caster in europe ?
>>46903695
>>46903234
Space Wulfs? Looking good, though a missed opportunity to field the goofy (in a good way) old Warhound titan?
>>46886121
what armys can you field in epic30k? only space marine legions ?
Pot your armies teeg
>>46903941
Loyalist Legions
Traitor Legions
Imperial Militia
Legio Titanicus
Mechanicum Taghmata
Knight Household
Solar Auxilia
Daemonic Horde
You can find all the lists on the Epic AU site's wiki http://epicau.com/mw/index.php/Main_Page
The rules used are those for netepic armageddon that are linked in the OP.
>>46904137
Are 30k and 40k armies compatability in game play? For the days we just want some warp time travel shinaniganes
>>46904210
It's under continuous development, I can't really say how they stack up balance wise. I'd probably say that HH is a bit more high powered with more cool vehicle variants and special characters etc, so I'd stick to playing HH vs HH
>>46903941
Only the legions have been played enough to be balanced. I'm not sure how the pre-posthuman armies are supposed to work... they have smaller formations than they do in 40k guard lists, while 30k marines have larger ones. Sounds like a bad idea.
>>46904210
The 30k lists aren't too different from 40k-era Chaos marine lists, except with many more toys. You'd have to tone down the anti-tank weaponry in a 40k-era battle to make it fair.
>>46904073
>>46905394
Outa the way traitor shits, best marines are here!damn those look good [\spoiler]
>>46905577
I really like those 3rd ed. metal land speeders (like the 2nd ed 40k ones).
>>46905689
Me too. The new ones look like feet.
Kit bashed Bio titan
My goal for this week is a squad a day. I'll have 1k Dark Angels ready for mini-armageddon at this rate (minus the rhinos, which I had to order)
Until I settle on basing, I'm just giving them a textured brown and kicking the can. Once I finish these, then its 1k points of nids. Then basing.
>>46906569
Thats pretty damn cool
>>46906611
Nice
Keep us posted!
How much would getting an army for Epic cost me ? Say I want to go with Dark Angels or Imperial Knights, or perhaps even Sisters if there are some casters that would make them.
>>46906569
>>46906611
>>46908782
Depends
Ask old neckbeards you know/in your flgs if they have epic stuff lying around. Surprisingly many do.
Buying old stuff from e-bay or similar is expensive. Still, old plastic marines should be the cheapest of any epic armies.
Forumware is the only way to get sisters.
Proxy armies work well for some factions. Good quality, not used and reasonably priced.
>>46908782
with Sisters I kinda wanna see some colossal scale Living Saint and some nutty church tanks with a choir of horn blowing angelic statues as cannons
Basing my Avatar of Kanye and his retinue.
>>46863813
[email protected]
i would love to get into contact, not many recasters that arent across the world
>>46909728
I think they have a hover-castle.
>>46889620
How many weapons can a titan fire per activation?
>>46914368
Uh all of them?
Unless they have the slow fire/single shot rule.
Also looking for recasters.....
Bought from US based before, looking for EU based.
Ojahaja @ HOTMAIL dot com
Posting my current titan project for win
My epic version of warmaster Horus.
Same...
Same painted...
I've been really spoiled recently by games with rules that are organized. I seriously had to re-read the rules several times to learn what the hell a "firefight" even is.
Fortunately I half learned this shit last time I bought models, but I'm going to need to print these so I can flip through.
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>>46915160
ive never laughed so hard
>>46915160
Impressive!
Thanks!
It gives new meaning to the phrase "little Horus" don't it!
>>46899183
Are turbo lasers overpowered compared to other weapon choices?
>>46916123
They're definitely good for their points. But a lot of tanks have reinforced armor, so they're not necessarily as good as they sound.
>>46915138
good posing and use of robot body
the golds look really silvery though?
>>46916123
I don't really think there is an Op titan weapon, But the turbolaser destructors and laser blasters are the best choice for doing mass amounts of hits on vehicles, so they're great for knocking down titan or gargant shields and killing tanks.
A reaver with 2 laser blasters and a carapace destructor rollls 16 dice that hit tanks on 3+ in one round of shooting, so even if they have saves you're gonna cause some pain. All my titan weapons are magnetized so I can swap them out. Against superheavies you want some heavier stuff though, like the big plasma weaponry, melta or volcano cannon that ignore armour and/or causes multiple hits per dice.
Or the good o'l powerfist, but that's generally not the best use of points.
So, guys, OP here, glad the thread is up and running 3 days after the thread started.
So far it seems a lot of the discussion is focused on how to get minis or how to start etc, which makes sense, I wanted to inform people about the game, and I'm glad that the idea of tiny titans and so on excites others as well.
What do you guys want to see in the next epic general? Any resources or advice you want posted at the top? Links to anything particular?
>>46863813
Love to get in on that list as well!
nunenz at hotmail dot com
anyone know the shipping costs to europe for these recasters?
>>46918683
usually very low. If you order metal minis it goes up, obviously, but if you order resin minis it's miniscule. The miniatures are super tiny and light weight and not packaged in individual boxes, so usually you just pay flat rate small package shipping.
I ordered a couple of titans and paid like 10 dollars to europe.
>>46908782
Looking on ebay now, there's plenty of whole armies about to go for about £30 to £50.
[email protected]
Either it's this or I'm going to go pick up something on ebay.
>>46917648
Should link to www.epicau.com for the HH supplement and mention communities like TacCom, miniwars etc. thanks!
>>46908782
For Sisters check out Onslaught Miniatures.
>>46917648
Can we call the next one Net Epic Armaggedon, not netepic please, netepic is a different ruleset to netEA.
(i know the website url is net-armageddon, but that isnt what the text or documents on the site call it, nor is it what people refer to it in general)
>>46911599
>kanye
Why am I laughing?
Please anon tell me that was a mistakeNice, just...by the way
As I start off on an other batch of marines, my metal nids are getting a nice acetone bath. Bummed that I can't find my third tyrant. Given ebay prices, that's like 7 bucks for a dwarf sized mini.
>>46920885
Friendly tip, alcohol does the trick on acrylic paint, is easier to filter afterwards, works on plastic and resin and is generally cheaper (just a big bottle of general purpose disinfectant with 70-80% alcohol or even hand sanitizer does the trick no problem.) It's also a lot more pleasant to work with and doesn't fuck up your sink or pipes if you have any pvc plumbing.
Also not as hard on your hands and you can use more types of container.
>>46920206
NetEA isn't a ruleset, it's a collection of army lists for Epic Armageddon (v2, Oct. 2009 revisions). EpicUK and Horus Heresy lists use the exact same rules.
Just call it Epic Armageddon.
>>46921048
As in Isopropyl? I have a bottle of it for cleaning electronics. I wasn't aware that strips paint well.
>>46921734
Sure, but you don't even need iso, regular alcohol (ethanol) works too. Cheapest alcohol based disinfectant (usually ethanol based) you can find at the supermarket with the most alcohol in it works perfectly.
>>46920249
Thanks and sorry, that misspell was intentional.
>>46917648
Make the pic explaining the diff of the editions the second post.
>>46921719
>>46920206
Honestly, NetEA is the most used set of lists, so I'd rather focus on that and maybe give the alternatives a quick mention/links than to go into detail about Heresy, netepic, epic40k and epic30k. I know all the sets have their fans and everyone is free to promote their fave in the threads, but at the end of the day it's more productive to point people towards the lists that more people use and post about.
There's only so much room in the topic and most people clicking the thread are going to be more interested in how the hell to get minis and looking at cool pics anyway.
>>46921930
That is a good idea, I'll do that.
Also thinking about maybe putting all the addresses people posted in a pastebin or something and keep adding to it. If one of the casters want to find people to send catalogues to, they can look there, and over time more addresses can be added or removed.
>>46922029
All the places with decent necron modles keep having their inventory sniped by wistle blowers
>>46921930
2nd post could be the guide someone posted above: >>46885951
>>46922059
"Whistle blower" feels like a bit of a grandiose term for "anyone who can bother to google "Epic necrons" since there never were any official epic necron minis.
The guys who made the good necron minis can't show them in their webstore but they still totally sell them on ebay, along with a lot of IG stuff and you can just message them for a list. They're some Eastern European garage operation that GW can't really do much about besides threatening them through their webhost, so they just took down the minis from the store.
>>46922096
Will do that, might update that list and add some more explanations though.
>>46909315
>>46909728
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>>46919531
Ok, thanks. Next, say I want to perhaps start asking my friends if they're interested in playing Epic. What are the currently available armies model-wise and how's the balance/meta ?
>>46922311
That's my guide - I'm happy to accept feedback, either here or as comments in the Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbdKBovf9wLb8g_Vka2ntlTzvkFZ1_9VFqLvfAoCda8/edit?usp=sharing
>>46922660
Very informative and helpful for new players. I have shown it to others before, so kudos on creating it, much appreciated.
Maybe make it a little clearer which rules people actually use the most, pretty it up a bit and maybe add some info about Heresy for completion's sake?
>>46922589
Balance is very good, there are no shitlists since the people who play the game are the ones making the rules.
It IS generally agreed that Space Marines are a bit more unforgiving to play compared to some other armies, and that you have to do some clever shit rather than just slug it out, and I kinda agree with that, even though it's often exaggerated. I like it though, it makes marines feel like the lore.
The armies that are the easiest to get minis for, not counting recasters and so on are Space marines, Eldar, IG and Orks, you find tons of them on ebay easily and if you don't mind older edition stuff there are lots of plastics for them.
>>46922771
Thanks!
I was hesitant about saying that Armageddon is dominant because I don't actually know. I thought it was, based on forum activity, but Facebook groups have a lot of NetEPIC players. Like, lots of people coming back to the game after not playing for 15 years and they're only interested in 2nd ed. But you're right, I should push Armageddon harder.
I was hoping the Heresy lists would be farther along by now, but I guess I shouldn't wait.
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>>46901493
For those that might want to make their own bases for epic minis, this is how I make mine:
I cut up an entire sheet of 1mm plasticard at a time so that I have a whole pile of little squares, then when I need bases I make them in batches. I drill holes in half of the rectangles and glue them on top of the other half so that the bases have recesses where the minis go. Then I file the corners round because I think it looks nicer.
Tools used are fine permanent marker, steel ruler, craft knife, small gluing clamps, 6mm drill bit in an electric drill, regular plastic model cement, strong scissors to snip of corners (less filing to do) and then a very fine grit nail file.
And remember, don't cut through the entire sheet, you only need to cut the lines partially then snap them off by hand against the edge of the desk or a ruler or something. When you drill them, stack 5-6 on top of each other and tape them together so you can drill several at once. Better to use too much glue than too little, you can file the sides smooth anyway and it prevents lines showing where the sheets stick together.
Results look like in the pic here:
>>46899183
>>46922877
I meant the Heresy that epic was based on, some guy, Ramos, made complete rules out of it that are available online. Not the Aus forum 30k.
>>46922877
Personally I really love Netepic for titan battles but I think armageddon is slicker for regular battles or "competitive" play since there are less crazy shenanigans in it.
>>46905996
Dodgems, 2nd ed Land Speeders look FAST, and light.
>>46922589
In terms of models, Imperial Guard are the easiest. Start with Trolls under the Bridge. Defeat in Detail (DiD) has a lot of stuff too. Metal GW Baneblades and Shadowswords are easy to find on eBay. The standard NetEA lists are Steel Legion (mechanized infantry) and Minervans (tank-heavy). For the latter, be sure to get some Leman Russ variants with FF3+. I use Trolls’ Annihilators as Eradicators, if those are the autocannon ones. Assaults are what win you games.
Aliexpress has Shadowblades and FW Warhounds.
DiD also has a lot of Space Marine, Ork, and Mechanicus figures. For SM, I’d use their infantry with Trolls under the Bridge rhinos, and I’d consider combining those rhinos with Shapeways turrets to get rhino variants. DiD vehicles are oversized, but you’ll want their not-Thunderhawks. Land Raiders are not that good, though plastics are cheap on eBay. Onslaught Mini’s rhino proxies look different, but they’re good too. They’re also the best source for drop pods and… female marines. Their Sisterhood model selection is, ironically, a better fit for Space Marine lists than SoB lists.
Craftworld Eldar are too hard to make with 3rd party minis. Al Harrington can be a lifesaver here.
Dark Eldar, Tau, and to some extent Tyranids are doable thanks to Onslaught Minis - I like their stuff a lot. Cultists are also possible. Winter’s Bioforge for larger Tyranids.
Trolls under the Bridge and Shapeways for Necrons.
A good player can probably turn Craftworld Eldar into the strongest army, but balance is still pretty good. IG are strong if they avoid artillery companies and baneblade companies. Marines are a little more forgiving if they take terminators and warhounds as allies. All lists should have a formation of fighters.
>>46923081
I had no idea. I only saw Heresy mentioned in the White Dwarf that introduced 3rd edition. They said Jervis Johnson wrote it around the same time that 1st ed Adeptus Titanicus was written. The latter became Space Marine. Heresy just sat around for a while but they decided that 2nd ed. was too clunky to save so they updated Heresy and it became Epic 40,000.
>>46923420
It's pretty obscure even for epic fans but I figured since you mention it on your little
diagram thingy it might be fun to add some more detail.
Heres's the archived page where it was maintained
http://web.archive.org/web/20051214091134/http://netepic.org/EPICentre/Downloads
And here are the core rules for itt:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070814073431/http://netepic.org/PRIMARCH/Heresy%20core%20rules.pdf
>>46923521
Thanks, I'll take a look. I'm not sure I want to branch out into fan rules though... it doesn't seem to be related to the other Heresy.
>>46923580
Well true, we can't have fan rules in an official game, that would be weird.
>>46921719
yeah fine with Epic Armageddon, only reason i said Net Epic Armageddon was because the net was being used already.
As long as it isn't being called 'netepic' when referring to Armageddon i don't mind … that's about the most confusing way it could be referred to!
>>46923380
>terminators
I read somewhere that Land Raiders are no good for terminator squads. Is this the case? I was looking forward to painting some up in Deathwing colors. I mean, I guess I can do that anyway and just not field them, but you know what I mean.
>>46923831
>Land Raiders are no good for terminator squads
generally they are not an optimal choice in competition. It's a lot of points to spend when a thunderhawk (or teleport) gets them in to assault faster. can be worth doing if you play templars or imp fists with crusaders though … also maybe all in in a landing craft (but that's even more points!)
baccus6mm makes some fine praetorian stand/ins. They also do ww1 and ww2 recently so you can pick up something from both of those aswell. Mordians perhaps
>>46923790
NetEA is an actual group, and if you spell it out then yeah, it's Net Epic Armageddon. But you almost always see it as NetEA, and >>46921719 is right that the game itself is still just Epic Armageddon. It's a mess, unfortunately.
>>46923831
Most of the army lists have reduced the cost of Land Raiders to make them worth taking. But the real issue is the total cost of the formation. More formations means more activations, and if one player has more then he basically gets a few uncontested activations at the end of the turn. That means it can really hurt to have more than one expensive one - but it depends on your meta.
Most people use Terminators aggressively and get them killed, so if they're your most expensive formation (the Break Their Spirit objective) then that's victory points for your opponent.
But it's not like you're only going to play in tournaments, so go ahead and do it. In competitive games it's better to split them - just teleport the termies and use the land raiders as tanks.
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>>46923934
That makes sense. So there's nothing wrong with the Land Raiders alone, just they make the Termies too expensive while not making them more effective?
>>46924129
>So there's nothing wrong with the Land Raiders alone
they are 'ok', but even with the points decrease probably still not a top tier marine formation. At 3k there' nothing wrong with taking a formation (or using a couple as trasports – devs in a pair of LR for example), but there will be lots of other fun toys competing for those points as well.
The australian's seem to love taking stacks of loyalist land raiders.
>>46923965
I assumed I was looking at epic minis and was wondering why they were based like that before I realized what they actually are.
To be fair to me, troops dressed like that didn't fight in front of armored divisions.
>>46924264
I've seen those acrylic bases somewhere... people do use them for Epic, since the originals are out of production.
>>46924580
for that specific army, Brum made his own on his CnC machine
>>46924580
Fortunately for me, I seem to have accidentally ordered far too many epic bases at some point. I have an entire box full of them still on sprues.
>>46923380
I'm guessing Trolls under the Bridge is a shop so I will google it but what's DiD ?
I think I recall Onslaught Minis.
>>46925021
DiD is Defeat in Detail. Sold by Vanguard Minis right now.
Trolls under the Bridge took their Epic stuff off their website. Either email them or buy from their eBay store.
>>46925021
Defeat in Detail, it's a range of minis currently sold by Vanguard that was originally made by Troublemaker Games, but all the hassle with the chinese manufacturer drove them owner into the ground.
It's the one with the excellent IG, SM and Ork proxies, okay eldar proxies, and a lot of really neat titans and vehicles.
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>>46923790
>>46921719
>The only mention of different versions is one person who asks what the differences are.
>Veterans who already know all the editions show up and make a storm in a teacup about how the thread name is confusing.
Yes, the names are all over the place and the general is mislabeled but it's not like there are 60 people who are now fruitlessly scouring the internet for "Netepic Armageddon" and passing over Netepic or Epic Armageddon.
Probably best to just call the next thread Epic though.
Looks like this + 8 rhinos and a tank upgrade is exactly 1k points. Just need to finish the devastators and wait for my rhinos.
>>46925666
those are looking really smart
>>46899060
Originally Titans were their own game Titan v Titan
They had special round bases with a round dial like the date bit on a proper watch to show the number of void shields they had left
>>46899365
The original tyranid design ethos was dinosaurs plus alien
Then giger copyright went out the window and GW and everyone else just went giger headed aliens, with just the vertebrae crests to signify tyranids
>>46925990
There was definitely some cribbing from alien (the metal hormagaunts are more blatant than any current minis), but it seems only those and to a lesser degree the genestealers and the termigants really went that route. Everything else was its own thing.
>>46925666
A round of applause for the only person in the thread who's showing some kind of progress and hobby activity!
Got anyone to play with?
Also, if you want to spruce up the bases, dirt from the sides of streets, along the sidewalk is super fine and non-grainy and looks very good on small scale minis since normal sand looks like gravel at that scale, as long as you don't mind looking like a retard walking the street outside your house with a hand vacuum.
Other options are spice powders (seal them well, unless you like space marines smelling of cinnamon or paprika, I think it's kinda nice) baking soda, chalk or talcum.
For tiny shrubberies, snip of little bits of the coarse, green side of scouring pads/sponges with scotchbrite. Matchsticks or toothpicks split or shaved down are great for anything from signposts to little pieces of blown up trees and whatever.
>>46926517
Going to make 2 1k armies and play with a friend of mine next time we hang out. I've been getting back into painting and have been very dissatisfied with 28mm. It takes forever, and when I finish one small unit I just see all the other crap I'll have to paint up.
Open to any sort of suggestions for basing. Going to just do experiments till I find something I like.
>>46926517
Pet stores also have very fine sand. I think it's for reptiles.
>>46926068
Rogue trader tyranids had a dinosaur feel with that massive back part of the skull - carried on into tyranids when they did advanced space crusade and genestealers and in into the first codex
Then they started that whole 4 ctan gods and xenology book era and they had the idea of the ripper as the base tyranid and rolled out the giger head
This has been rolled back a bit now so biovores look orky again and zoans more distinctive - though mostly it seems to be in giving them all a v shaped bone head crest
Based eldars
>>46928911
What's the basing material?
>>46929415
Looks like baking soda mixed with pva and water to me.
>>46929415
I base everything with it. Love how easy to use and time saving it is.
>>46861202
www.microworldgames.com
Check both the fantasy and sci fi sections for lizardman/dinosaur goodness.
Is going full artillery with steel legion a bad idea?
>>46858445
Please Recasters Help Me
blankfile2112 @ hotmail dot com
>>46923380
Shapeways is pretty cool
>>46933564
Unfortunately, yes. The game is generally won or lost in assaults, not shooting. Worse, artillery companies are made out of paper. Give them adequate protection and you've tied up a ton of points in bait for a terminator detachment or something else that teleports, flies, or is otherwise fast. The company is likely to be your Break-Their-Spirit formation (i.e. your most expensive) and that makes it a very tempting target.
Lots of artillery batteries is fine. They should support your assaults.
The Death Korps of Krieg list has a more viable artillery company but it's not as fun a list to play with, imo. And in a titan list, artillery titans (quake cannons especially) are popular too - again in support of assaulting titans.
>>46933564
Unless it's a 5000pt game. Then artillery companies are okay.
I still cant work out assaults
Are all attacks made simultaneously?
>>46937364
Yes.
>>46937364
Unless the attack has "first strike"
I came across and annoying realization. Hormagaunts don't fit the rectangle bases. I mean, they fit in them, but they are too long and brush up against units in front and back of them, which is going to grind the paint. I don't think I can rebase them, though, because they are glued in and it would be a total bitch to get them out without destroying the tiny model. Any suggestions?
>>46940319
Rebase them.
I did the sam just yesterday to some swooping hawks.
>clip and slightly bend away each individual model with pliers
>bending will hopefully tear away the base along the seams from the model
>never hold on to the model while doing this, just the base or the circular model base
>you now have individual models
>put model on side and insert knife into seam between bottom of circular model base and the circular big base residue that is probably left
>cut gently
>done
It's not as time consuming as it seems.
>>46940319
Add one of these to your modeling kit asap. Best for cutting things off the sprue and generally cutting up things that are too thick for you to want to bruteforce through with a hobby knife or scalpel.
Cut around the circular tabs, then use it to cut away the base at the glue seam
like
>>46940420
said.
>>46940420
Something like that might work. So clip em and reposition on the same base so they don't collide?
Here's a test pattern I made. Guns/details undecided, maybe bone? Or something garish like green if I wanted it to look more oldschool.
Also I found this bag in my bits box. I know what's in it, do any of you?
>>46941495
Reposition might work but I assumed you wanted to move them to another base. Old square epic bases work well, that's how my nids are based. Flames of war small bases work too.
>>46941638
Kind of torn. Square would work better, but I own loads of standard Epic Armageddon rectangles.
>>46940319
If you used plastic cement then they may be too difficult to remove, and you'll just have to stagger the bases so that their tails fit between the hormagaunts in the row behind them.
>>46941667
Well you said the gaunts don't fit them so...
>>46941720
I think I was retarded when I glued them. Some look to be plastic cement, others have the white vapor stains indicating superglue.
I'm using alcohol on some plastic painted ones as suggested earlier, since painting over on models this small is going to kill detail fast, and I ordered one of these.
>>46941431
I've always just used a pocket knife to cut models, but I see the value in that.
>>46941495
sure, sure, that's a picture of gaunts, not a photobombing warmonger conversion kit ;)
>>46929661
Second.
Pumice is the best.
>>46929661
>>46945554
Looks pretty grainy for 6mm.
>>46946793
Perfect for my tastes but I understand if some prefer finer grains.
