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Post about X-Wing, Armada, FFG's Star Wars RPGs, d6, d20 (Saga), movies, shows, books, comics, vidya, lego, lore and everything else Star Wars related
Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
>http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB
Fantasy Flight Games’ Star Wars RPG System (EotE/AoR/FaD)
>http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
>https://mega.nz/#!DkNTDTyZ!PUupCOep4RmRcsgI3rNhU_Pk_xcyFbYWnhrq8gwrVv0
Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault and the Star Wars LCG)
>http://pastebin.com/ZkpXpbJ1
Fantasy Flight Games Dice App (Works with X-Wing, Armada, the Star Wars RPG system and Imperial Assault)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk
Older Star Wars Tabletop (d6, d20/Saga, etc.)
>http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ
Reference Materials & Misc. Resources
>http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin
All Canon Novels and Comics (via /co/)
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!2R5kDTqQ!WfrDla-jvDIn05U57T9hhQ
Just What IS Canon Anyways?
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media
The Clone Wars Viewing Guide
>http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png
Writefaggotry
>http://pastebin.com/cJY5FK9T
Shipfag's hangar
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing
Reminder: no such thing as "the light side of the force"
First for Kreia, the sithress of my heart.
ARMADA IS NOT DEAD
Droids are overrated.
Agree, or disagree?
>>46841863
> /swg/ general
But why
>>46842058
because I copypasta'd the last one almost verbatim
>>46842041
what kind of droids are we talking here?
>>46842041
Query: Shall I blast the meatbag now, master?
>>46842058
It's a general for Star Wars generals. Like Best General here.
>>46842104
no, use the flamethrower
>>46842087
>what kind of droids are we talking here?
All of them.
>>46842104
>>46842125
Great. My goose is cooked.
>>46842117
>Not General Corellia
shit taste, senpai
>>46842297
Best general from Corellia coming through.
>>46842369
>>46842297
How are both of you so wrong?
So, only Savage Spirits is currently announced for the FFG RPGs, and that's "On The Boat", do we want to take bets on what product(s) will be announced next?
I think I like old man Obi Wan best
>>46841998
Since I mentioned this on the last thread, a /swg/ X-Wing/armada club would be pretty fun. At least get some people into Armada.
>>46843311
its really expensive which bugs me. also, the games I feel take longer than X-wing.
>>46843341
The games do take longer, generally about 2 hours or so. It's a different game, yeah, but at least a Vassal group with X-Wing and Armada can facilitate that.
And it's pretty expensive. Though I think I spent as much on Wave 2 of Armada as I have the most recent X-Wing wave.
I don't hate the idea of Inquisitors being scrubby padawan level. they're just attack dogs.
it makes sense, keep the lap dogs weak and teach them wrong so they can't be a threat to their masters. Dark siders LOVE making a backstabbing conga line.
>>46842041
I'd say droids are greatly underrated in-universe. They really should have replaced most humanoid labor.
>>46843662
It also makes them incredibly ineffective. Did sheev really believe that maul would be defeated by a lowly padowan level force user?
>>46842427
Best character in all of Star Wars.
>>46843662
>scrubby consular level
Fixed. Except replace force philosophy with investigative skills.
>>46844252
He did the first time.
Anybody got scans of the Nebulon B or MC80 cross sections from Complete Vehicles?
>>46843662
I don't hate it either, but in a way it feels like an indirect nerf to Sheev and Vader. I always felt like they allowed the Inquisitorius in the Legends continuity to thrive because they knew they'd be styling on the Inquisitors no matter what. It puts things in perspective when guys like Jerec--a formidable opponent in his own right--says "how high" when Sheev or Vader tell him to force-jump.
I don't dislike the nucanon Inquisitors at all, but I wouldn't have minded them being a little more competent.
>>46842479
AoR Adventure probably, we're pretty overdue for one. After that would probably be AoR Career, and then probably Bounty Hunter career, assuming they don't prolong that any further.
>>46844301
pretty sure he didn't expect obi wan to beat him
>Upcoming chapter of Empire's Shadow
>Leia PoV on a commando raid
I'm having such fun.
>>46845079
I write fanfic. My current project involves a 30,000+ word fanfic about an AU where Luke instead of Leia is raised by the Organas. Shit's crazy.
>>46845299
Sounds stupid.
But that's how fanfic is. Stupid.
>>46845520
Eh, fanfic isn't my thing either, but who am I to tell anyone how to have their own fun?
>>46842427
When is Wedge ever a general?
>>46845520
>>46845647
It lets me put off writing jobs I'm actually being paid for that I can't focus on.
>>46842601
I think everyone would agree, including Ewan Mcgregor. Doesn't mean young Obi isn't one of the best things about the prequels
>>46844252
>>46844301
Wait, darth maul came back?
>>46845747
Starfighters of Adumar and beyond.
>>46845802
Ok. X-wing is on my list for sure. Han gets my vote though because he is my hero, and also an asshole
>>46845763
So does leia become the force user and luke the rebel prince?
>>46845799
Yeah he's been back twice now (4 if you count Star Wars tales). He's like the melanoma of Star Wars
>>46845774
>Ewan McGregor's phone rings one day
>It's from a Los Angeles area code
>"Hi, it's Lucasf-"
>Ewan McGregor shows up in Hollywood in full Tatooine Obi-Wan costume and lightsaber, ready to start filming the Obi-Wan solo film.
I'm legitimately sure this will happen.
>>46845840
How did he survive getting bisected, and then thrown down an infinite shaft?
Not even sheeve could survive the infinite shaft.
>>46845857
A talking snake somehow stopped the bleeding, built him robot legs, and moved him halfway across he Galaxy. Without hands. It is retarded. Never trust Clone Wars fans
>>46845849
I'm all for it another Mcgregor Obi-Wan, but I'm not sure the source material can actually justify it. Is he gonna be tattooine batman or something? Otherwise it's just a movie about a lonely guy learning to deal with the hand he's been dealt. That sounds like a Ewan Mcgregor movie, but not really a Star Wars movie.
>>46845970
The source marterial actually justifies it. The new Star Wars comics basically show him as a Tatooine Batman. He wants to stay quiet, refuse to do anything that might make him stand out at first, but he breaks down, and eventually starts sticking up against Jabba's goons.
>>46846033
I guess I can see it. I'm kinda proud I guessed where'd they took him. I watch and see if that makes a good movie though
>>46845920
If you're gonna be angry, at least check your facts.
>However, through his hate and will to survive, Maul used the Force to grab an air vent as he was tumbling down the reactor shaft. He then managed to make it to a trash container. Maul's shattered body was dumped on the junkyard world of Lotho Minor. He lived in the bowels of the planet and had his legs replaced by a six-legged apparatus that allowed him to walk again. During his exile, he made a bargain with a sentient sneaky snake-like creature called Morley, who agreed to bring Maul food in return for his leftovers. Over the years, Maul was driven mad with rage and despair, thoughts of revenge against Kenobi. -Wookieepedia
>>46845920
>lightsaber
>bleeding
>>46846095
The way I see it, you could script it as a sort of a sci-fi Unforgiven. The old gunslinger character who's sworn off killing and wants peace and quiet. You don't see the lightsaber until the final fight when Obi-Wan does what needs doing to save the homesteads.
>>46846178
>Forgetting ANH's cantina scene
>>46845799
Clone wars says he made his way to a junk planet where he lost his mind for a bit until his brother Savage oppress found him. His hate for Obi-Wan and his now lost future kept him alive he says.
He helped to over throw the pacifist mandalorian government and drew the ire of sheev. He is eventually freed from captivity and tries to get revenge again and fails again.
HE vanishes until we see him at the end of rebels season 2 and we find out sheev has been hunting him with his inquisitors
Finally finished cropping the new Special Modifications and Keeping the Peace scans and adding bookmarks. Also took the improved scans from Keeping the Peace and replaced the original talent trees in the big talent tree file with them. Everything's up on the folders.
Oh, and obviously Mask of the Pirate Queen has been up for a while in case anyone missed that last thread.
>>46846178
Lightsabers are pretty inconsistent on when they do and don't cause bleeding.
>>46846329
I always assumed the heat setting for the saber was adustable
I'm playing in an Imperial Assault tournament tomorrow. Which list should I take?
>Imperial anti-Bantha Rider list with AT-ST and lots of Stormtroopers
>Rebel midrange list with 2 groups of Wookiees, elite Rebel Saboteurs, Diala, Gideon, and the droids
>Mercenary all-painted list with 2 groups of elite Trandoshans, 1 group regular Trandoshans, HKs, and Hired Guns
>>46846521
Not knowing anything about the game, I recommend the all-painted mercs, because SWAGGER
>>46846521
Paint swag all day
>>46845520
I wouldn't say all of it.
There are 5 or 6 good ones.
>>46846596
>>46846753
Did you say something about swag? Is there anything more swag than purple jumpsuits? Also, I got a couple of Imperial Officers finished today.
>>46845520
>But that's how fanfic is. Stupid.
There's plenty of good fanfic. It's just hard to find the good ones because most fanfic sites refuse to institute any sort of rating system.
>>46845970
What about obi-wan working behind the scenes to keep imperial attention off of tattooine? And part of it is him dealing with the fact that what he's doing to protect Luke is also letting the scum who inhabit tattooine escape justice
I think it'd be interesting
>>46847004
After hearing from all this anons I think there are good ideas. Honestly when I said tatooine batman it was the only thing I could think of but that doesn't mean it was a bad idea. Call me tentatively excited at this point
>>46846125
1) that is definitely not explained in the episode
2) he got into a trash container and survived for a trip halfway across the galaxy as a fucking torso? Ok. It's still a stupid comic book tier revival
>>46843341
>its really expensive
Are you fucking kidding me? You can literally get all the ships you need for 2 people for less than $500. In most other systems, that's barely enough for a single sizable force.
>>46847679
most games are not warhammer, senpai
>>46847531
To be fair, at the time Legends material was still canon.
>>46848016
The legends stuff was all Star Wars Tales i.e. For fun what-if ideas not "canon." Either way Maul should have died in Episode I. Clone Wars handled it about as well as they could have but that doesn't make it a good idea,let alone having him survive into rebels
>>46846226
Kurosawa would also be a good influence. I picture something like Obi-Wan being forced to use his old war experience to help groups of moisture farmers defend themselves from a rampaging horde of Tusken Raiders, while dealing with the ethical implications of warfare and its ultimate futility.
And have Liam Neeson reprise his role as Qui-Gon, either appearing as a disembodied voice or in dreams to help guide Obi-Wan's training and help him come to terms with everything that happened in III.
>>46847829
Dude, MTG is more expensive. Infinity is more expensive. Warmahordes is more expensive.
Literally the only TT game less expensive than Armada is X-wing, because X-wing is babbies first wargame.
>>46848321Boba Fett should have died after RotJ
>>46848321
He had three post-TPM appearances prior to TCW resurrecting him that I'm seeing, only one of which was definitely not canon whatsoever.
>Old Wounds
Not from Tales, not canon. From a book called Visionaries (which I've been meaning to track down a copy of).
>Resurrection
From Tales, but confirmed as canon later by Leland Chee.
>Phantom Menaces (or: the one where solid hologram Maul fights Luke)
At least partially canon, despite being from Tales, as portions of the story are mentioned in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia - though not all of it is.
>>46844252
Except we clearly see them go and tell big daddy vader that maul is there, because vader alone can wreck maul's shit. A team of inquisitors plus vader = slaughter.
The inquisitors are cocky as shit, that's why they tried to fight maul. Sure they can take Ezra and on a good day Kanan too, but their overconfidence was their weakness (hmm when do we ever see that in dark Siders? Jerec, Desann, Darth revan, Darth bandon, asajj, maul, savage opress......)
So how long does hyperspace travel between two systems take exactly? In TFA it felt like they were capable of going between planets in a matter of 5 minutes or less.
>>46844510
I agree, it's disappointing they brought out the grand inquisitor and scratched him season one. I woulda preferred that say "nameless, faceless inqusitor 3" whose sole accomplishment was falling to death have come in season 1, then the two from season two, then grand inquisitor in season 3.
>>46848798
It depends. Hours to days, depending on distance and route.
But yes, JJ can't into scale.
>>46848798
That bugged the shit out of me in TFA.
In the original trilogy, it seems like a significant amount of time passes in hyperspace. At least long enough for Han & Chewie to leave the cockpit and hang out by the chess table.
And in Empire and ROTJ, it takes Luke a while to get to Dagobah and for the Rebel Fleet to reach Endor.
Galaxies are fucking huge, and while Hyperspace cuts travel time down significantly, time still passes.
>>46846329
I like to assume that this is due to water constants in creatures tissues.
Water has high specific heat, ie., it absorbs a lot of heat energy before boiling away.
A critter with sufficient water would maybe not suffer such drastic insta-burn injuries
Of course the real reason is PG ratings.
>>46848798
Depends on the distance.
Alderaan is near the core. Tatooine is at the edge basically. However they seemed to get there FAST. Maybe a few hours.
Same day, they go from Alderaan to Yavin 4, and the fuckhuge Death Star gets there THAT DAY. Also probably a few hours.
Geonosis to coruscant communications lagged a bit, maybe, but this seems inconsistent as the Jedi teleconferences seem real-time across the clone wars.
Realistically I would say that, as long as you were on a trade route, you could reach anywhere in the galaxy (on a route) within a day with a military grade hyperdrive, maybe 2 with a commercial grade drive, and 3-7 days for a cheap shitty personal drive that's like a V4 car engine (speculation, but it works for FFG where players want gottagofast engines and you can use it as a carrot).
>>46849007
I was in a game where the DM had hyperspace travel take place for days at a time regardless of what vessel you were in, but I'd say it was pretty justified as it was set 2 years after Endor and the hyperspace routes were the front lines of the war, meaning we had to stagger our jumps so we could avoid the main conflict zones.
![cd88481b3f28f7266b5a64ece788ceae[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0IKAjDe.png "cd88481b3f28f7266b5a64ece788ceae[1].png")
>>46848798
Here's how the FFG system rules it. Note that this is with a class 1 hyperspace engine. The Falcon has a class 0.5 which would halve the times listed, most rebel fighters usually have class 1 and your run of the mill freighters usually have class 2 (double the times shown)
>>46848798
Tcw has almost instant travel. Padme is infected with space aids and Anakin researches a cure, travels to the planet, fights a plant, defeats a blockade laser grid, gets back in time for them to formulate a cure and heal everyone... Several other times in tcw it seems travel was almost instant.
However other sources show hours or days for brief jumps from system to system. I tend to favor longer passage time and go with that.
>>46849007
There's a lot of EU canon about what happens during those time lapses. Like Luke learning to fly the x-wing and becoming a member of Red Squadron when they get to Yavin before the Death Star shows up and ambushes them
>>46849423
It's heavily implied that Luke joins Red Squadron on a whim with very little time. Basically Biggs vouches for him and there are so few pilots and so little time thy have to take him
>>46848807
Really all he had to say was "more will come" and if all the inquisitors were on the same level having more would be an escalation alone. And it would make it feel less cheap when they wipe the floor with them (except it would still feel really cheap)
How would you make Battlefront 2 Space Combat more interesting/better?
My thoughts:
>player controlled capships
>bots fly in formations (e.g. Strike packages, escorts, and CAP)
>limited ordnance
>>46848769
Good point good point. I completely forgot that these bitch made fucks can stall till Vader arrives, but that's also assuming he is in system or somewhere close. Hyper space travel still takes time
>>46849566
or just orbital bombard the planet
>>46849560
>>limited ordnance
Considering the game is run by EA, don't let them see that or they'll start charging real money to get more ordnance.
>>46849604
I mean, I guess lol. God damn. That's one hellof a way to get rid of a force user
>>46849604
Why would they do such a thing?
It ruins the efficiency of the Empire. Unless the force user was a Master just sending Vader/Inkys would be enough.
>>46849685
You forget, the Empire loves bombarding the shit out of planets.
Any excuse is a good one.
>>46849650
2005 Battlefront, not EA Battlefieldfront
>>46844510
Inquisitors are sort of a mix of lightsabre skill, hunting dog and investigator- plus they have a lot of temporal power to push the Imp Army and Navy around to do what they want. Bit like a secret police force that is mostly secret... sort of, unlike the ISB which is the not so secret police force everyone knows about it seems.
Considering most of the time, they'd be dragging scrubby little untrained force users out of their holes, beating up the odd badly trained padawan and old, crippled men most of the time. Actual resistance isn't usually that high and to some extent that does sort of mean they do their job in almost every circumstance. Anything else and they'll cook up a couple of platoons of stormtroopers, artillery strikes and various other means of fucking shit up.
If they die?
Who cares really, Palps doesn't give a fuck as he's got plenty more of them and most Inq's are arseholes enough that they don't make a lot of friends.
>>46850089
Yeah, I understand the new Inquisitors. I like both ways of doing things, it just seems to me that generally the Inquisitors from Rebels are the less interesting choice.
>>46850129
Yeah, I tend to borrow a bit more from the WEG era of inquisitors, mixed in with the FFG system
The Inq in Rebels is simplistic, which is fine for a TV show, but roleplayers tend to want details that media doesn't really convey.
>>46847004
I seem to recall some decent old-canon stuff relating to that.
It was part of a series, but the only one of them I have is Death on Naboo, which takes place after Obi-Wan left.
It follows Ferris Olin, if I remember correctly.
late night spess bump
>>46850089
Those things make sense sure but really it's all fluff justification for how badly villains are handled in Rebels. Sure Vader shows up twice a season to keep things scary but for the most part the rebels run circles around the looney tunes tier Imperials. Then they kill off their first inquisitor, who was kind of a challenge, sometimes. Except wait, instead of making him a taste of the future he's actually the strongest and the rest are all trained wrong on purpose. And in their case the show is trying to play them for fear but instead they just look incompetent or act as /ss/ fetish fuel for deviants. You can have kids shows with good villains, like both avatar series for example. The show has a hard time justifying itself when 80% of the time there are no stakes.
>>46850089
The problem of the Inquisition is that they literally come out of nowhere. Admiral Motti was dismissive of Vader's sorcerer's ways, which indicates that any Dark Side users serving the Empire were few in numbers and mostly irrelevant, but we have quite a few running around and everyone knows about them. I know Star Wars is full of inconsistencies, but this one irks me for some reason.
>>46854191
Aren't the inqusitiors from the WEG D6 books though?
>>46854377
Maybe, but they are pretty old sources that were already retconned in Legends. I doubt they are relevant with the new canon.
>>46854191
I don't see the contradiction desu.
Maybe he is dismissive of the force generally. Inquisitors could be more feared because of their political power, which wouldn't necessarily matter to a man in his position.
>>46854865
Or maybe the Emperor doesn't advertise that he's got a secret cabal of lightsaber using Jedi hunters at his beck and call?
>>46854919
That's possible too, but I'd expect people who are on speaking/insulting terms with vadar to be in on that.
>>46842601
Damn, what a life.
>Grow up a jedi prodigy under Quigon.
>Defeat Darth Maul
>Tryst with a Mandalorian royal
>Experience a war of epic proportions from the front lines
>Mentor the supposed chosen one
>Heaps of deserved praise as a jedi master
>defeat "chosen one" in single combat
>finally retire to a quiet life of solitude on beautiful desert world
>watch beautiful sunsets every night while living simple ascetic lifestyle
>Finally give it all to join the living force
Feels good man.
>>46854942
I'm not sure Motti IS on speaking/insulting terms with Vader though. That guy only survived that conference meeting because Tarkin reined Vader in.
>>46855005
You had me until "beautiful desert world"
I'm calling bullshit on Tatooine being beautiful, but to each his own
>>46855073
It probably is beautiful if you go out in the boonies, where none of those hick humans, sand people, or jawas are building random shit to obstruct your skyline.
>>46849604
They wanted the temple. You don't air strike what you plan to take.
>>46849566
But they also had a rough idea that maul was in the area. Vader was probably chilling reading a magazine or something until he got a positive tag on maul
>>46855029
He was still a pretty high-ranking officer. He should know about the Emperor's spooky secret police.
>>46855094
Fair enough, touché. But that's literally "here be dragons" territory
>>46855176
He probably knew,but just believed most of the force stuff was overblown. Or maybe he thinks military assets are better and the force unnecessary.
>>46855133
Nah m8. He was reading the fuck out of the Sienar Fleet Systems catalogue and chatting to his homeboy Zaarin about what would happen if you bolted a third wing on top.
>>46855194
Force didn't save the Jedi now, did it? He probably feels the Force has been surpassed by human ingenuity and technological superiority.
Are any of the TOR stories worth playing through?
>>46855304
Agent is widely regarded as genuinely good (and the best of the stories).
>>46855180
Yes, the area that is uninhabited is the krayt Dragon, sarlaac, and open desert that will fuck you up with dehydration. Beyond sand there's no reason to go there since there are no minerals or things to be worth going to find.
Unless you want to put a rakatan artifact out there for your characters to try and find.
>>46855180
It may be easier to overlook the perils if you're a galaxy-renown warrior-wizard, who even in old age is quite capable of fending for yourself, or if you never leave your monastery-house thing.
>>46855704
Sand People could kidnap the player's family
>>46856473
>having a family in a tabletop game
That was your first mistake.
>>46856775
>Having family on Tatooine of all places
That was horrible mistake number two.
>>46855798
This is true.
>>46856473
>>46856775
>>46856816
But Tatooine has great schools and low property values, didntcha hear they are opening a chipotle and whole foods in anchorhead? Gentrification is the future man. And das racist to call them "sand people", the appropriate term is "tusken-American", get with the times grandpa
>>46857375
>whole foods
Horrible mistake number three.
>>46857375
>people who think sand people shouldn't be called sand people
Awful mistake 4.
>>46858004
>been watching Sicaro
>Narcos
I imagine the closest thing would be playing as Imperial Intelligence in Hutt Space or something. Shit would be dop- spice?
>>46858632
Could be cool. You wouldn't have as much funding as other groups and you'd have to work within Hutt Clan rules.
>>46859933
Not to mention face the difficulties of the local sector moff being deep in the pockets of the hutts. Or well, the guy who is technically moff of Oversector Hutt space but in reality barely holds Baxel sector. Toss in some infighting between ISB and Intelligence resources, perhaps align them with different Hutt clans and you have a decent showdown waiting. And i guess in the wings, some minor rebel presence.
>>46845299
color me interested. got a link?
>>46862056
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11824246/1/Empire-s-Shadow
Enjoy.
Has anyone fixed space combat in FFG yet?
ok /swg/ i need your help. Im running a Sw campaign and all the players want to be sith like the sith in kotor 2. what is the best time frame and system for this type of game?
>>46863830
>all the players want to be sith like the sith in kotor 2
Hold up, your players actually want their Sith PCs to be complete pushovers with terrible stats? Huh.
>>46863830
First, move the Events of the KOTOR games to somewhere between 1100 BBY to 1000 BBY. This allows for the New Sith Wars to basically come out of the events surrounding KOTOR2.
Then set your game right after KOTOR2 where there's a shitton of Dark Siders running around the Galaxy calling themselves "Sith" even if most of them are complete wimps.
>>46863636
What game is this?
>>46857500
I sure can't wait to buy 3 apsaragus soaked in water for $20!
>>46864357
It's from the guys who made Galaxy on Fire.
Now she's a cook too.
Just spent 90 minutes sitting at my FLGS waiting for people who never showed up for an x-wing event. Mildly depressing, especially since interest in the game seemed like it was on the rise.
>>46864948
That sucks... Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it wasn't at my flgs.
>>46863830
Dont. Alll sith campains end bad.
>>46864997
Where's your FLGS, anon? I'm close enough to Chicago that 3-4 of the regulars were there today. But usually there are like 10 people are our biweekly event so I figured someone would show other than me.
>>46863830
You could always grab an unused time period and do what you want with it. There are some pretty huge gaps in the timeline.
>>46864948
That sucks man. We are just starting an xwing group up at our FLGS. My only complaint with xwing and MTG games are the extremely casual attitude to signing up to events ahead of time. Makes it hard to organise community events.
Good luck habbibi.
>>46865152
I'm just south of Seattle. FLGS has been doing pretty well on X-Wing nights. Usually we average 8 to 12 people. Last thursday we had about 4.
>>46865262
I blame fate, after a rough tournament season I've finally got my groove back and now nobody's down to get rekt.
>>46865306
Rough tournament season? The meta for X-Wing is the best it's ever been!
>>46865427
No argument here, anon. I just had a rough go of it, I got my butt kicked several times. Wave 8 is treating me much better than wave 7 did--- not any fault of the wave, just rotten luck and some poor circumstances.
>>46864523
>cheap water on Tatooine
I really wouldn't be surprised if water was half the cost for those asparagus
>>46863636
I think there's a pdf but I'm not sure where it is, by I think shipfag maybe
>>46863636
>>46865534
There's a handful of different homebrew methods in the OP folders.
There were only two users of Vaapad or whatever its called right? Mace and the dude that helped him create it?
>>46865509
Here in California I'm pretty sure Whole Foods have to use moisture vaporators anyway.
>>46865628
Three named users, plus an unknown number of other unnamed users.
>Mace Windu
>Sora Bulq
>Depa Billaba
There was also one guy from the New Sith Wars time period who used a lightsaber form he called "Vaapad" but I'm not sure whether they're the same form or whether the writer even remembered that Vaapad's invention was credited to Bulq and Windu.
>>46865628
Been a while since I read it, but didn't he teach it to Depa Bilaba as well? I seem to recall it was a factor in her breakdown.
>>46865628
Three, Mace Windu, Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba. Depa was Mace's Padawan and the only one he actually taught the style to.
>>46865773
I think he tried to teach it to her, but apparently everyone who even got a hint of the style went crazy and turned evil (except Mace).
>>46865461
That's fair... I think Wave 8 is a nice change of pace, bit ultimately it took everyone by surprise and beat the fuck out of them in a back alley... Ordnance has sucked ass for ... 7 waves now? And suddenly with guidance chimps we're seeing an uprising of alpha strike ordnance. Certain lists like quad TLT Y-wings needed to go... They were simultaneously the most banal thing to hit X-Wing, and one of the biggest killers of high hit point, low agility ships. But now you see TLTs mainly as a damage options for an HWK or Y, but no longer the spammed mainstay of the squadron.
The meta now seems less stagnant than it has ever been... Even with tripe U-boats being the big scare, I still see them getting wrekt by shit like Palp aces, Dengar on crack, and B-Wings.
>>46866006
Considering the fact she learned it as a Padawan and made it all the way to Master before losing herself to the Dark Side, I think she did pretty admirably.
>>46866412
she didn't turn to the dark side. She suffered a major defeat and lost her composure along with being injured
>>46866494
We're discussing Legends here dumbass.
>>46866530
how about you eat a dick faggot. I don't know about her legends background so don't be a fucking piece of shit to someone. Just tell them "were talking about her legends history" or something along those lines. And I asked the question in the first place about Vaapad
>>46866584
>don't be a fucking piece of shit to someone
>>46866584
>Being in these threads
>Not expecting Legends to be the default frame of reference
>>46862293
Thanks. Another anon who is interest; funnily enough because of the alternate universe porno pics by Shabby Blue and Miravi. The concept interested me, and on reflection seemed less risky.
Organa is lucky Leia doesn't look more like Padme. Otherwise Vader might have taken more of an interest in how Bail Organa just so happened to have a daughter that looks exactly like his dead wife, aged just right for her to be his fostered daughter.
>>46853812
>>46854191
Mostly comes down to context
What Rebels does is fine for a cartoon made for the 10-15y/o age group that gets squeezed into 25min.
As a roleplayer/GM we tend to dig a bit deeper into things for our games simply because the matter there is that players will want to understand what they're facing from an adults perspective, though if I was running games for kids, I'd quite happily use the cheesy, brief description of the inquisition and probably not have to flesh it out any further. For the 'space opera' kind of setting that SW-RPG is, it can be as dastardly and dumb moustache twirling or you can make them something far more complicated and sinister, its really just up to you.
As I mentioned, they popped up in WEG D6 RPG, (though I don't remember them having spinny lightsabres!) so there is that as a material resource if you want to use that instead- because Rebels did.
>>46868055
Hey Redback, you're old enough to have seen Star Wars when it was in theaters, right?
>>46868055
Yeah Star Wars is space opera. In my opinion that means Villians should be larger than life not worse. When I was 15 Teen Titans was a hell of a lot better than Rebels.
>>46868750
The majority of villains in Star Wars are not larger than life. Nor is the setting used as a space opera most of the time.
>>46868171
I did see Ep4 in a theatre but didn't remember much of it, Empire I saw at a drive in and managed to fall asleep halfway through... it was late!
>>46869332
>>46868960
>Vader
>Palpatine
Sure the Villains are terrible right
>>46869332
>>46869478I just wanted an excuse to post that gif. You're a cool dude.
>>46868960
>Star Wars
>Not space opera
Sure ok
>>46869543
That's not what he said dumbass. He said that the MAJORITY of the Star Wars villains are not LARGER THAN LIFE. Vader, Palpatine and a few Sith Lords are most definitely larger than life characters but they are not the majority. He also never said they were terrible.
Learn to read.
>>46854191
I think Filoni or Pablo said they're planning on having the Inquisition dead by season 3.
>>46869598
If you exclude all the stormtroopers and battle droids, it seems like the setting has plenty of larger-than-life villains, to the point that being larger than life is considered ordinary in the setting. You've got Sith out the ass, Vongshit, Rohm "CYBERNETICS, SON" Mohc, Thrawn, Mandalorians, the 181st, Xim the Despot, the Rakata, the Perator Whatsisname of Cartann, Hutt crime lords, and of course,Trioculus.
>>46869772
Lets discount the Vong entirely from all discussions.
Only a handful of Sith Lords have had a larger than life character. Thrawn would count as well. Mohc, I'm not seeing it.
>Mandalorians, the 181st, Xim the Despot, the Rakata, the Perator Whatsisname of Cartann, Hutt crime lords
None of those seem larger than life because they're really just unusual or outside of the scale of reference.
>>46869598
Zinj
Zaarin
Kueller
Tarkin
Ysanne "I have a Super Star Destroyer Buried on Coruscant" Isard
Prince Xizor
Jabba the Hutt
The entirety of the Yevetha
The entirety of the Yuzhan Vong
General Mohc
Gallandro
Thrackan Sal-Solo
Valance the Hunter
why do people hate the vong?
>>46869957
S&M religious zealots who hate technology so use biotech and have weapons and armor that stop lightsabers.
They also killed Chewie in their first appearance.
>>46869598
You could say that about anything if you count random grunts. Larger than life villains is a major theme in Star Wars.
>>46869478
So who's balls do I have to fondle to get my own movie?
>>46869844
>Mohc, I'm not seeing it.
Few real-life generals would have the balls to don Dark Trooper armor and go toe-to-toe with Kyle Katarn, especially after Kyle has spent the afternoon massacring everyone else on the ship, including the actual Dark Troopers.
>Space Mongol Viking Aussies/Kiwis
>The best fighter pilots in the Empire
>A pirate who set up an empire that spanned much of a star cluster
>Guys who ran an empire called the Infinite Empire
>Guy who owns a golden starfighter, and happens to be the most fabulous motherfucker on a planet full of fabulous people
>merely "unusual"
Well, damn, I guess your standards for being larger than life are a bit tighter than mine.
>>46869957
I likevongerella
>>46869957
An interesting idea buried by shitty execution.
Extra-galactic aliens with bizarre tech is a decent villain group, but they got turned into turbo-edgelords who love pain, have bio-organic stuff that can block lightsabers "just because", are invisible to the Force, and shat the place up with SUPER SERIOUS GRIMDARK WAR DRAMA.
>>46869844
>Mohc, I'm not seeing it.
General Mhoc became a legendary soldier in the clone wars by destroying tons of battledroids unarmed, and continued to do so after the war AS A HOBBY, always seeking out newer and deadlier killbots to punch to death.
That's metal gear-tier larger than life
>>46870052
Yeah they'd be better off in 40k, if 40k had slaanesh worshipping tyrannids... but even the 40kboos might have trouble stomaching that one
>>46869957
Many, many reasons. Aside from the stuff already mentioned, it's because the Vong overshadow all the movies combined.
Rule of Thumb: If EU material uses the main characters from the movies in a way that makes the movies look smalltime, then it's very likely shit.
>>46869705
Filoni is pretty purist in terms of "all the Jedi dead by ANH". So he really has very few places to go. All the Jedi have to be gone, and it probably includes Ezra, Kanan, ahsoka (already dead), the inquisitors (as many as they need for episodes) and maul himself (I'm calling season 3 finale as a maul death.)
>>46870138
>>46870296
...that's amazing
>>46870253
>ashoka dead
they killed off best girl? Why?
>>46870323
>they killed off best girl
Nonsense. Plourr Illo isn't even in the show.
>>46870323
Well, she's only mostly dead, she may return yet, but she's effectively gone for now, current status ambiguous.
>>46870323
She's more MIA than KIA, if that's any consolation
>>46869868
>>46869844
I think its worth noticing that in some cases, the villains were regarded as unique in circumstance.
Some were pre-republic but managed a modest kingdom (spess feudalism era basically) like the hurts and Xim. They were noteworthy BECAUSE of what they did, and WERE larger than life.
The Rakata called it an infinite empire, but arrogance is a big thing, ie., "mein third reich will last a thousand years blah blah zieg heil".
Tarkin wasn't really larger than life in film. He just seemed like a commander and a professional one happy to blow the shit out of some rebel scum. If that's larger than life I've met plenty of larger than life people happy to launch arty at Taliban all day.
Real crime lords like Jabba tend to be larger than life. Google some of the Mexican drug cartel lord mansions and confiscated goods, it's mind boggling (one guy had like a $1000 monthly budget for rubber bands because he organized his cash in massive wads).
The yvettha and vong were the grim-dark phase of EU, coincidentally it was trash because too much grim-dark just doesn't mesh with Star Wars well.
And most importantly, this is a series that is a Flash Gordon rip off supported primarily by merchandising. It's basically a live action Saturday morning sci fi cartoon. So the story needs a steady supply of larger than life villains. We need Atilla the Hun in spess. We need Vlad the I paler in space. We need Stalin in space.
But the best part is we get the more subtle people too.
Sure Snoke is probably cartoony evil. But kylo's story is probably going to be way more interesting.
The emperor is Disney/puppy-kicking evil. But he has an interesting plot that unfurls over 3 movies, and vader has a 6 movie character arc that is very deep.
You can still have deep stories, coated with Saturday morning Cobra Commander tier villains.
>>46870323
It's Extremely heavily implied she is dead, as the sith temple and Malachor in general was a fairly obvious Hades metaphor.
Many (including myself) see her descending into the temple as a metaphor for her walking into he underworld (because pottery).
I admit it does leave the possibility of her return open, but it is extremely hard to place her in the timeline after this.
>>46870032
Clearly George Lucas's.
>>46868960
>Nor is the setting used as a space opera most of the time.
You and I must have a very different idea of what "space opera" means.
>>46848798
>>46848860
>>46848865
>>46849386
>>46849396
Travel time on screen has always been implied to be pretty fast despite what some EU sources and stuff like that table from FFG have tried to claim (and what I personally would like to be the case); it's certainly not unique to TFA. Pretty much everything on screen since the Star Wars suggests super-fast, speed-of-plot-travel. In fact, the evidence all seems to suggest that one can cross the at least half the galaxy in just a few hours.
In Star Wars, the trip from Tatooine in the Outer Rim to Alderaan in the core seems to take, judging just by dialogue and the status of the characters during the trip, a few hours- if even that. Honestly, it feels more like a cab ride between sites in the same city than a real trip.
The trip from the Death Star to Yavin back in the Outer Rim doesn't seem to be any longer judging by those same factors as well as the fact that the Death Star itself seems to have arrived within a day of Leia and Co's escape judging by Vader's dialogue.
Luke's trips from Hoth to Dagobah and then from Dagobah to Bespin presumably can't have taken more than a half day simply based on the fact that he was in a fighter cockpit without any real amenities. Unless there's a whole lost story about Luke stopping on a dozen different planets to take a piss it seems to rule out any particularly long journey. Plus, while he may have gained time plot wise on the outgoing trip due to Han and Leia having a wonky hyperdrive he only heads back to the Anoat sector once he knows they're in trouble and is able to arrive -almost- early enough to intercept them which implies at most a few days travel time.
>>46870729
(cont)
And then in RotS Padme is able to get from Coruscant in the Core to Mustafar, once again in the Outer Rim, without realizing Obi-Wan has stowed aboard. So again either there's a missing and hilariously stupid story about how Obi-Wan hid in a closet for days and only came out to eat when Padme was sleeping or we're dealing with a timescale of hours.
Now, compare that all to the stuff in TFA. On one hand, the trip from Jakku to wherever the hell Han picks them up seems to only take the few minutes Rey is down under the floorplating fixing the whatevermajig but the rest of the trips in the movie - from wherever to Maz's castle, then from there to the Resistance base, then from there to Starkiller and from Starkiller back to the Resistance base - are actually pretty ambiguous compared to those from the earlier movies that I mentioned and actually could have taken several days in theory (although judging by the short travel times previously established this becomes unlikely). So all-in-all JJ can hardly be accused of lore heresy on this front.
>>46870582
so it's still possible that vadar and tano fug in the end.
Gud.
>>46870766
>>46870729
I mean I think it's pretty obvious that to Lucas and the filmmakers, hyperspace is as fast as the plot needs it to be at that particular moment.
>>46870766
>So again either there's a missing and hilariously stupid story about how Obi-Wan hid in a closet for days and only came out to eat when Padme was sleeping or we're dealing with a timescale of hours.
it's called jedi trances, m8
>>46870323
Nah she's ok
>>46870766
>>46870870
>"I knew I shouldn't have eaten at that Ithorian place before we left," Obi-wan thought to himself as his intestines attempted to escape from his abdomen.
>>46870498
>Tarkin wasn't really larger than life in film.
In film. In the books, he was an effective, charismatic, ruthless motherfucker, either loved or reviled based upon your position; SPESS Oliver Cromwell. Nucannon sources like TCW and Rebels still reinforce this view. He definitely invokes the Wu Tang Clan rule, and BBY hearing he's breathing down your neck is your cue to fuck off to far, far elsewhere.
>>46870994
That and he landed his shuttle on a bunch of protesters.
>>46870856
From context in films, you can reach anywhere in the galaxy in a about a day or two if your hyper drive is pretty decent.
>>46871011
Parkin' like Tarkin involves a star destroyer actually :)
>>46870856
Exactly.
I mean, I actually prefer the longer travel times version and I personally think the FFG table hits right it the sweetspot of balance between making galaxy-wide travel, civilization and warfare plausible but at the same time allowing enough delay in time for narrative tension over and logistical difficulties over the longer distances. That being said, I can't deny what the source material ultimately suggests. I've tried coming up with my own fanon explanations but ultimately they're band-aids on a gaping wound and I know it as well as anyone.
It's interesting to note that the new-EU has actually stayed pretty consistent with emulating the implied on-screen travel speeds. For example, when Sheev sends Vader from Coruscant to Tatooine to 'negotiate' with Jabba he says the the Hutt will expect Vader in two days- and we find out later that Vader actually arrived a whole day earlier. So the journey between the Core and Outer Rim in that case appears to take a day at most and that's presumably with a ship that at least isn't any faster than the Falcon.
>>46864788
Well, I mean, the bread's pretty easy. You just get a bowl of water and pour the packet in.
>>46870945
>not posting the best TIEfu
>>46871032
Given that as context, how can you justify the Kessel Run? Why shave a few hours when the commercial value of doing so is vastly degraded, and the alternative is really nasty death? If travel times are in weeks to months, then several fewer days gives you the drop on your competition.
>>46871133
For TILF's its pretty cool
The old X1 is a sexy beast after all these years.
>>46871135
The kessel run might not be as policed because of the danger of doing so?
>>46871070
Here's a simple way to split it, like cars:
V4
V6
V8
V12
Personal: a cheap hyperdrive on a cheap ship, or even a backup hyperdrive for a larger ship. These take time to reach the destination, but can reach anywhere in the galaxy in a manner of days.
Commercial: used by companies, these hit a sweet spot of performance and cost. Can reach anywhere in the galaxy within 3 days, guranteed, provided you know where you are looking.
Military: expensive, but are gottagofast. Used by the empire, high end ships, and the rebels. They can reach anywhere in the galaxy in a day.
Experimental: these go mach sweetbejesus, but are... Temperamental. They are rarely made in a factory, and usually are only test beds for tech or are reserved for special VIPs like Palpatine's shuttle. They require special maintenance, but they ensure you will be among the fastest in the galaxy when it's time to gtfo. Can reach anywhere in the galaxy, from any point, in half a day.
This is what I've done for hyperspace engines for players who wanted to upgrade, and it greatly simplifies things.
>>46871190
Step aside, old man
>>46871135
I was under the impression that it's done for two reasons:
1- Kessel spice is a drug and you pretty much have to do the run to evade the customs agents
2- competition, much like the old bootleggers races to see who could get from X to Y fastest.3- to make Han Solo seem cooler
>>46871238
We STRATCOM now
>Rebel strategic assets go and stay go
>>46871133
Real best TIE, coming this way.
>>46844272
mfw I said I wanted to make a character like Wedge and described him.
"So like Poe Dameron?"
>>46871501
>there can't be multiple good pilots in Star Wars
>>46871135
Because the Maw, where Kessel is located, is also full of Black Holes which fuck with hyperspace travel immensely. Hence needing to navigate manually.
>>46871573
The offense is taken from Wedge not being the first one that comes to mind.
>>46870945
>>46871133
>>46871190
>>46871238
>>46871328
>>46871460
You've all been replaced by something almost indistinguishable from a basic TIE.
>>46871638
Defender, Bomber, Advanced, and Interceptor are all still canon, though
>>46871680
I just want my hunter for xwing and ffg.
Is that too much to ask?
Frankly I was disappointed we only got Xwings 2.0 and tie fighters 2.0 in the new film.
And A-wings confirmed for 8.
>>46871680
They're canon, but there's no sign that they're still in use.
>>46871819
>>46871811
There will be new designs/ships for the new films.They want to sell toys, after all
Wouldn't be surprised if Rogue One features some TIE variants along the way.
>>46871626
Wedge is barely a character in the movies. He's basically just the guy they use when an X-Wing pilot needs to say something.
>>46871811
>>46871925
It's probable they went with the TIE 2 and X-Wing 2 just to have recognizable ships that people would point out. The advanced was in episode IV as Vader's personal fighter, Bombers are in one scene in V, and most of the cool ships from the original trilogy are in the Battle of Endor and we don't see our protagonists in them.
>>46871626
I'm gonna trigger all of /swg/ and say Pow could probably give Wedge a run for his money. Either way, you should come up with a character that stands on his own rather than being made your OC donut was compared with the wrong character
>>46871133
Really? I always considered that one of the uglier TIE variants. Though not as bad as this thing.
>>46872585
>Poe
He's PS 8 with a crazy good ability and a movement dial that's vastly superior to the T-65's. Lorewise, he pulled off a trench run that would make the Legend himself proud, too. Unless Syal is recanonized with the same skill level she had in Legends, I'd say Poe is a worthy successor to the title of Ace of Aces.
>>46872559
Bombers are in more than one scene in V. The Tie Bomber also makes an appearance in an interim shot where a choke-victim is going over to Vader's massive space-cadalac to "apologize". Seriously, the interim shot shows the modified Tie Shuttle (a bomber with crew) flying over to the Executor.
>>46873000
>Uglier
It's one of the cooler ones that both doesn't look stupid and is actually pretty formidable.
>>46873070
Well shit, I just remembered the scene where they bombed the asteroid
X-Wing already has a few post-OT ships, from both the EU and TFA. Think they'll ever dip into the prequels?
>>46873458
Do the Gozanti and Firespray count?
>>46873523
I was thinking Republic and Separatist starfighters. Since they seem to be okay with a bit of anachronism.
>>46873933
>>46873523
>>46873458
They showed up in Clone Wars, right? Counts.
>>46874051
Different models. TCW's Headhunters had a wildly different silhouette, plus canards. The Y-wing in TCW is also clearly a different variant from the Rebellion-era Y-fu.
>>46873933
It would be hard to justify most Clone-era craft outside of a few exceptions. Most ships from that time period would have a hard time finding a niche that isn't already occupied by technologically superior Rebellion-era stuff. Maybe as a Scum expansion.
For what it's worth, though, one Anon was working on a Clone Wars homebrew a while back.
>>46867036
>Shabby Blue
While I appreciate what it is trying to do, hits uncanny valley too often for me.
But shit, you try finding Leia Sith looks that aren't pure slutty. Because Vader don't raise his daughter like that, yo.
>>46872585
I still maintain that Poe spends most of his time fighting in atmosphere and hasn't demonstrated his space chops yet.
>>46870582
Pottery and long words aside, she dropped to the floor after getting stabbed, and that's murder.
>>46875462
Maul got bisected and dropped down a giant pit and lived.
>>46873458
I know it is heretical, but I'd love me a squad of ARC-170's.
>>46876253
Top kek anon, good start to the morning
>>46873000
This anon >>46873304 gets it.
>s foils
>ion cannon
>hyperdrive
>shields (weak as they are)
>missile launcher for torpedoes
>gottagofast sanic speeds (fastest of all tie variants)
>rogue squadron games
What's not to love?except for the bullshit dagobah level. That end jump of death plus SPAM THE A-BUTTON xwing.
So fun story time. Continuation of Hoth
With two players out,(one studying for Korean proficiency test, the other a flake who got a botched hair cut and then needed a perm to fix it) we had the force sensitive Farghul quick talker, the force sensitive Gungan, and the Ryl doctor exploring the ship graveyard on Hoth.
We learned more of the Gungans back a story in that he was a honored warrior who fell from his Kaadu and got brain damage. This leading to exile and later being catfished by a Hutt. The Ryl has space aids (the player leaves the country in a month) and has been salvaging droid pieces to build a medical droid to take his place. Both force sensitives have had time learning from the holocron they found and improved their senses.
Well, they finally decided to investigate the massive behemoth ship in the graveyard while the other two missing characters returned to the ship to collect and store the loot. Upon entering the ship they noticed a great deal of traffic going in and out, but failed to see if it was animal our other. They find a functioning door and decide to open it.... The Ryl is high and spaced out but activates the door, the Gungan is poking the ceiling panel with his spear thinking there's something in the ceiling and the Farghul is faced with four hired hand scientists and an Ithorian archeologist... All of them draw their guns on the strange group.
"We are representatives of the *mumble mumble* just checking to see if anyone was home." Says the Farghul.
"Port authority! This ship is being investigated, yep, it's a ship alright." Says the high Ryl.
"Me'sa know you'sa up there!" Says the gungan... All at the same time and before anything could be said the Ryl closes the door.
>>46878305
They end up reopening the door with the Ryl simply walking back down the hall away from the group and the farghul trying to explain himself. He botched a deception roll and got two crit failures... Which meant after they blindly agreed to assist the archeology team they walked in blind to a massive cave with an infinite empire battle droid, one that nearly one shot the Farghul if he hadn't have reminded me he was using force sense and I rerolled a miss. They preceded to Run up to the droid, the Gungan poking it with his spear and the ryl disassembling it with mechanics checks.... While it tore through the hired hand and Ithorian. They managed to knock this three legged monstrosity over, knock out it's sensors, then spin it's body so it thought it was shooting them, but instead the ceiling and caving in on it. The Farghul missed four consecutive shots because the force vision of his death, but on his last shot he shot the gungans shield, ricocheted the round into the chin of the droid and killed it. Pure luck around and they killed a monstrous droid and gained access to a computer from the infinite empire. Of course the Gungan wanted to lot the dead scientists in front of the other living scientists and was asked what the Fuck he was doing...
>>46873458
Literally better than the A-wing in every way.
>>46879317
>A-Wing goes into hyperspace
fug xddddd
>>46879317
>No shields until late in its design history
>No built-in hyperdrive
>No life support
>Cannons can't rotate
>No missiles as standard
It has superior speed and acceleration, plus ion cannons, but the A-wing is vastly more cost-efficient.
