Competitive Modern Magic discussion
>Not interested in blogposts. Just answer this if you must:
>What Tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
>>46841254
Depends... what are the tiers right now?
>>46841254
Define tier 2. Shit is chaos right now.
>>46841254
Blue Moon. It benefits from AV more because it wants to play the long game and just outdraw you while they're drawing blank cards they can't cast because of blood moon.
>>46841254
Yes
>>46841254
Some variant of Gifts.
>>46841355
>>46841378
Since the tier list is very early, it's better to consider the following:
>Any COMPETITIVE deck that isn't Affinity, Burn, Infect, Jund, Grixis or Merfolk.
>This includes stars like Abzan Company and the more obscure stuff like Mardu.
Let it meme, let it meme
My memedern format is "competitive"
Let it meme, let it meme
And by "competitive" i meme FNM
I only meme on MTGO
Because i have no social interactions with other memes
Le meme netdeck
Because my memeformat is a meme
"Competitive" i meme mono red burn any meme!
>>46841493
>Consider the following:
>any competitive deck
Okay.... what about them?
>>46841503
Here's your pity (You) and a bonus Gondola.
>>46841589
If context wasn't clear enough, it means these competitive decks that aren't Affinity/Burn/Infect/Jund/Grixis/Merfolk are considered Tier 2.
>>46841493
8whack Zoo because its the deck I play
>>46841658
So, you think Mardu is tier 1?
>>46841493
>inb4
>living end
>bogles
>kiki chord
>scapeshift
and...
>faeries
>>46841493
>merfolk being tier 1
>mfw
Where do you guys get your fakes from? I want to build some dumb shit but I don't want to spend exorbitant amounts on goyfs, lilianas, tarns, etc.
>>46842085
>Where do you guys get your fakes from?
I don't, because they don't go up in value.
>>46841254
Legacyfriend just stopping by to say
>modern
>>46842085
Write goyf on the back of an island, not like you are playing a gp
>>46841254
What is the most expensive untiered trash deck?
>>46842255
Because I like pretty pictures and immersion, mostly.
>>46842268
>What is the most expensive untiered trash deck?
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Liliana
4 Goyf
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
etc.
>>46842268
>>46841981
faeries?
>>46842045
It's pretty good in a meta where people are trying out AV and Sword.
>>46842312
You could use a printer. Just make sure it's as thin as a genuine magic card.
>>46842312
>Strip back foils with acetone
>buy a4 printable size matte window decals
>download HD card scans
>put 9 to a grid template in photoshop
>print them out, stick them on the foils, cut away excess decal
You just done got yourself 2 playsets of foil japanese goyfs for about $2
>>46842436
Seems like a lot of work. I would rather have some nip do it for me.
>>46842485
Senpai
>>46842485
THIS.
Make sure you indicate that it's a proxy somewhere on the card though.
>>46842331
Faeries with a green splash for goyf and abrupt decay.
No idea what current tiers are, but I think Norin Sisters has a lot of potential.
Also is there a /tg/ mtg discord?
>>46842226
Legacy general when? I want to meme about Doomsday.
>>46841888
Are you touched in the head?
>>46841493
UW tron
Memeskai ascendancy
Storm
>>46842226
>tfw no Legacy general
>>46842752
That's why I originally asked for clarification of >>46841493
>This includes stars like Abzan Company and the more obscure stuff like Mardu.
That doesn't make sense. How is Mardu up there with Affinity, Burn, Infect and Jund?
>>46841254
>What Tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
UWR Control. The two most popular decks right now are infect and Affinity and UWR shits on both of them and still has game against the rest of the tier one decks, while at the same time it's worst matchup, tron has been nerfed with the Eye of Ugin ban and isn't seeing a lot of play currently. Though idk how it does against the thopter foundry decks.
>>46843024
>UWR shits all over Affinity
This is painfully true. I've eaten a shitload of pyroclasm/ electrolyze 2-for-one's, and Stony Silence is a BIIITCH. All at the same time.
>>46841254
I'm a big fan of UW Gifts (no Tron, no manarocks). There's definetely potential there and once pros figure out how to play it best, it could become a huge threat to the metagame.
Eldrazi and Taxes also looks surprisingly solid. Thought-Knot Seer remains pretty darn good.
>>46841493
>He doesn't think Abzan Company is Tier 1
Shit opinions desu familia
>>46843719
>no manarocks
that's stupid, they are not only important for ramp but also for Thirst for Knowledge and starting the combo when Sword is in the graveyard
>>46843935
eh. I prefer just going full esper and having a real early game (discard, removal, sculler) instead of do-nothing ramp.
>>46844084
also lingering souls is a great way of getting sword out of the grave without needing artifacts.
>>46844116
Lingering souls with sword sounds sweet.
Esper I think is really good post-board, but It's too scattershot game one. It's like jund throwing everything at the wall and keeping what sticks, except that it gets to throw goyf, bolt, decay, liliana, terminate, ect- esper gets to throw around 3 pretty good one-drop spells and not a whole lot else.
Why aren't you playing the deck with the best win conditions yet?
>>46844274
Because there's lots of aggro in my meta that shits on it.
>>46844357
it's not that bad, you can mainboard timely reinforcements
>>46842175
>go up in value
>>46844393
What is Atarka's Command/Skullcrack?
I think Leyline of Sanctity would be more effective.
>>46841254
I like Sultai as my tier 2 deck of choice.
>>46844466
Well, non-fakes do go up in value. I've got tons of cards that I paid $5-10 for that are worth ridiculous amounts these days.
Then there's shit like P9 that I paid hundreds for and it's worth thousands now.
So yeah, fuck fakes.
Give me one reason to spend 1k on a deck in a format that was supposed to be a cheaper option than legacy.
Just 1
I can't wait for my new Chinese fakes to get here.
Also, why is playing against blue control the most boring thing on the face of the planet? My Burn gets then to 4 then it's counter the world and life canand my lands disappear and its just endless turns of boredom.
How can anyone enjoy playing like that? People shit on Burn players but holy shit is blue black control fucking boring.
Anyone have experience with storm in this meta?
Good/bad matchups?
>>46844930
>bad matchups?
Burn. Eidolon is pretty boss.
>>46844796
More supported than Legacy as in more stores succesfully feature weekly Modern events than Legacy events, which means you have more use of your cards than Legacy and justifies your purchase.
>>46844796
Why 1k? What are you thinking of putting together?
>>46844796
People actually play it, it's actually possible to brew in it (if you aren't an idiot) and win locally, and it's still around 1/3rd to 1/4th of the cost of Legacy.
>>46844888
>burn
1 mode of playing
>blue control
Skill based game where you have to squeeze out value to beat them. How bad do you have to be to lose to u/B control? Calling bait now
I've been debating buying Naya Burn, but I don't see it on any results lately. I've always loved Goblins, and I just saw a 100 dollar Modern deck of Goblins go 5-0...
Is this a fluke? Would I just be wasting my time investing in goblins in Modern over Burn?
I'm a new player, I haven't even played offline games yet (just Pauper online). I just want to have fun.
>>46845244
Almost any deck could go 5-0 in a league. The frequency in which a deck does it is more important.
>>46844888
>Also, why is playing against burn the most boring thing on the face of the planet? They just play 1 mana "Deal x damage" spells. There's no interactivity, just turning lands sideways to deal damage and folding to any sort of life gain.
>How can anyone enjoy playing like that? People shit on control players but holy shit burn is fucking boring.
>>46845244
well it is much weaker to sweepers, but if those aren't common in your meta it's probably even better than burn
>>46841254
>what tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
Mono Green Eldrazi Tron. It has 95% winrates against control, 80% winrate against midrange decks, and can even beat burn and zoo 60% of the time. Only bad matchups are infect, affinity, and some combo decks (not scapeshift though).
>>46841254
You should browse the Modern Metagame websites instead of asking retarded questions.
>>46845532
Are you saying these tiers are definitive and no deck will ever grow in this current iteration of the metagame?
>>46844274
What is it called?
>>46845302
Well.I love Goblins. And it's cheap and I could always save up for goblin guide later. Idk,if it go 5 and 0 I'm down.
>>46845532
Some Tier 2 decks are better than others in some metagames and usage doesn't always represent their efficiencies in said metagames.
Tiers represent usage. The table you posted even says so.
>>46845532
This is the most wrong fucking list I've ever seen.
>>46845532
3 Abzan Company lists made the top 8 of the SCG Invitational, and it's a tier 2 deck?
Laughingkitchenfinks.mkv/memes
>>46842085
If its for casual play you stop being a faggots Habbs. I'm onto you
>>46845649
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/403245#paper
>>46846027
That doesn't really mean that much since the Invitational was more Standard than Modern.
For anyone looking for good fakes just Google proxy card MTG and look for Chinese sites that show "passes light, rip, and bend tests, blue core" or black if it's an older card.
You can't even tell the difference anymore. Honestly, when was the last time you looked twice at a card in the sleeve for errors? Last time you got deck checked?
It's sad but in this game the player with the most money has the best shot. That shouldn't be. This is why I highly encourage everyone to buy fakes of ridiculously priced cards (dual lands, etc).
No one gets hurt if you don't sell them. Who cares. Wizards? They don't give a shit about you.
>>46846413
Tried it once, never even got a confirmation email.
I was already skeptical when I saw you could only buy fakes in $100 assortments.
>>46846846
Uh. I order mine in a playset for 20 bucks. They are fantastic. 20 bucks for 4x Goblin Guide? Yes. Same with Scalding Tarn.
Don't expect perfection from shady ass cheapest proxies you can get, dummy.
>>46846904
Post pics and we'll judge.
>>46845532
Genuine question, why is Jund THAT much better than the Abzan variant?
>>46847115
N-No that's okay, just take my word for it, my Gobiln Guides and S C A L D I N G T A R Ns are super legit
>>46846281
The swiss (what determines the top 8) was 8 rounds of Standard and 8 rounds of Modern, fucko. And I'm fairly certain the level of competition there was higher than your local FNM.
What is the optimal sideboard for a big event? Pic related is what I'm using for a red agro/burn deck.
>>46847196
Against aggroshits (aka Modern):
Bolt is a Path that doesn't ramp your opponent,
Terminate is extra copies of Abrupt Decay that only hit the cards your opponent is playing and can be theoretically hit by countermagic that doesn't exist in the format,
Kommand is a rape train with no brakes (you could almost random pick any 2 options and get a 2-for-1) while Lingering Souls does precisely dick,
Bob is raw gas that can block something relevant,
and while Meme Rhino can be a closer, Tasigur doesn't do much while Kalitas and PnK/Huntmaster can practically lock the game.
>>46847115
>>46847221
I'm at work but I dont feel like pandering to an idiot that can't just Google and find them himself anyway.
>>46847435
Chinese pictures always magically look better than the shipped product. But whatever, you're a cunt so don't even post anything.
>>46847115
Not that guy, but these are pics of where I got mine from.
>>46846904
whered you get yours?
>>46847503
And here is the same makers goblin guides
>>46847513
You can find the dealer on etsy or other sites. If they are 20 for 4 those are the high quality newer ones. The ones that sell sets for like 20 bucks of a set of 60 cards are the terrible ones.
>>46847503
Pretty good, but there should not be a comma between Coast and LLC. Thanks, I will not what to look out for.
>>46847528
This is atrocious, however. Don't play with these.
>>46847573
>not
I meant "I will know what to look out for."
There's also a few other imperfections that can be seen with the picture and there are probably a few more by just looking at the real deal, but overall it's still very convincing.
>>46847609
Been playing in tournys with these for months now.
If all I can afford is a Goblin deck that doesn't even have Guide in it should I even bother playing Modern?
Also curious as to what you guys think of this odd Goblin build http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-modern-all-in-goblins/
So how bad is Vraska?
Given that, how fun is she?
Is there a more interesting windmill-slam-fuck-your-wincon-and-then-some?
>>46847802
In sanctionned events? No.
Casually? Absolutely. I do suggest you print the cards you want in order to save a few bucks.
>>46847503
>Dot pattern is home printer status
>Aliasing on all zone transitions
>Font and kerning is completely wrong
>Comma and period in the footnote
cmon you could at least try.
>>46847528
Lol
>>46847435
Mad, memester? :^)
>>46847528
Jesus christ those look fucking awful.
>>46847503
Oof the dot pattern kills those so hard
>>46847802
Anyone? Thoughts on Goblins or that all in goblins deck I linked?
If these are pure shit I'm looking at fakes since I'm so broke.
>>46849381
What's your budget?
>>46849381
Where do you plan on playing?
>>46849381
>provide the objectively best answer for you
>ask "Anyone?"
In that case, I fully encourage you to spend your money on a deck that won't work. I will even say you should DEFINITELY buy the actual cards EVEN if it's not for sanctioned play. I can guarantee this will provide a fantastic experience.
Was that the answer you were looking for?
>>46849418
Locally, nothing big with a cheap Goblins deck of course.
I'm just trying to avoid buying fakes.
I have a fair amount of Goblins and res Burn already from Pauper so I'm just thinking cheap.
My budget would be having a card that at most cost 10 bucks a pop. Total range around 100 to 200 dollars.
>>46849831
I'm sorry, the way it was worded sounded like you were only talking about fakes. So you recommend not making Goblins, even if I build on it and get guides later? What is Goblins, tier 5 or so?
2-2 tonight with this shitbrew: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-visitor/
Round 1: 0-2 against Scapeshift. No real side against it, ate shit.
Round 2: 2-0 against janky Mono-R Tremors deck. Burned me to 3 game 1, but manaflooded and didn't recover. Game 2 countered everything with Rune Snag and Snapcasters, then refreshed with Visitor and Tasigur. Closed game with Ral Bolt.
Round 3: 2-1 against Bant CoCo/Knightfall. Game 1 Inquisition'd one Knight and Ashiok'd two. Ashiok and Liliana stalled until I had the mana for Snap/Kommand shenanigans, and just out-valued his creature spells. Game 2 I tapped out on my turn against an empty field and he CoCo Knightfell me. Game 3 I emptied his hand and resolved Consume The Meek against a Knight and two Smiters. Tasigur and Visitor refilled my hand and he couldn't recover.
Round 4: 1-2 against Bant CoCo/Knightfall (again). Was playing against a bud and with 4 packs and two promos guaranteed between us, it was for shits and giggles. Game 1 went to Value Town, Game 2 got Knightfelled, fed game 3 due to play mistakes.
It's a fun deck, and while turn 2 Visitor is just a vanilla beater it turns into Bob very reliably mid-late game. Next test inclusions for the deck will be Kalitas and Pia, in place of Ral Zarek and Ashiok.
>>46849930
I will try and put this more plainly-
you aren't going to build a very competitive deck at your price range. You are going to be able to build a lot of fun jank decks that will be moderately successful at FNM.
you can save money by running proxies.
>>46850007
Yeah I think I'll just have fun with Goblins anyways. I'll be that goblin guy who never wins any game.
>>46849998
Get ral, clique and ashiok out of there. Clique is awful when bolt is this abundant
Run 3 terminate in their place. It's some of the best removal you get. Drop 1 k command, 4 is too much and replace it with terminate to round that to 4.
I like that list, I run a similar one without visitor but 4 av. How is visitor? Does it draw >3 to consider use?
>>46849883
Then Goblins should probably be alright, as long as you aren't dumb about the construction.
>>46850243
>>46850111
8whack lookit up
>>46850191
I ran Ashiok because it's "lifegain" against aggro decks that don't know any better. Filler until I buy Kalitas.
I threw in Ral because with three walkers, why not four? Not a serious inclusion.
Terminate was cut (first from four, then from two) due to a resurgence of Combo/Control in my local meta. Bolt still kills nearly everything, though the Bant beaters were a rude awakening.
Kommand is hands-down the most useful spell in the deck. I would run five if I could. In one game I drew three of them and cast them six times with Tiago and Telepath Unbound. It's a card I'm never disappointed to see.
Visitor (if it doesn't eat removal) usually draws 3-6 cards by the end of the game, and Kommand plays a large part in its ability to do that. The Madness cost doesn't come into play often, but it's still pure advantage when looting with Jace or pitching to Lili. I'm not convinced it's an integral part of the deck, but it's been fun brewing with it.
I appreciate all the help, I'm torn between slowly.... Very slowly, building a modern Burn deck, as I have most of the basic Burn spells already. Another part of me says just make Goblins and play now.
I could of course make Mono red Burn until I can afford Naya Burn.
What would you do?
>>46850266
8whack is terrible. It's forever 4th tier garbage. Even normal Goblins have been placing better.
>>46845141
>1/3-1/4 the cost
>just one of the cheaper moxen will run you 1600
M8
>>46850998
>Moxen
>Legacy
You're a special kind of stupid, ain't ya boy?
>Modern prices insane
>Want to play with real people
>Local Pauper rules asinine
>Modern guys playing Jund everywhere
>Everyone smells or acts extremely weird
MTGO for life then, I guess. Do any of you play online only?
Guy guys guys
This...in bu faeries
More snapcasting
More vendillion cliquing
If you use it on mistbind clique you get both triggers
Or am I missing something?
>>46851682
Blue cloud shift
Not a lot of people play cloud shift but I've always liked the card
>>46851699
Yeah I'll test it out later, it seems really good.
Looking for some advice on a list, the rest of the internet sucks.
I want to make a Jeskai list with the following creatures:
2 Geist of Saint Traft
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Restoration Angel
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Vendillion Clique
And then a standard control spell-set with 3 AV, 2 SV. I want the long-game power of control with a clock that I won't get flooded with in Geist and the potential for blowout via Kiki. I'm not seeing anyone else put this together yet and I think the light numbers accross the spread can easily be fueled by all the card draw.
Would appreciate anything at this point really, almost got all the cards together before I take it FNM
>>46848448
>>46848556
I have literally no idea what these posters are talking about
Is it normal for people to grab a magnifying glass and examine your cards for extra commas that shouldn't be there?
Why would anybody look close enough to notice these cards are fake? They look fine to me
>>46851809
Geist doesn't seem to synergize with the rest of those cards
>>46852153
When you spend as much time staring at cardboard as us the flaws on those cards are obvious. Maybe not the comma specifically, but things like the cards being off-color, aliasing being sketchy, and a clear dot-pattern on parts of the print are clear indications of counterfeiting.
>>46847411
As always, that depends entirely on what the meta looks like on any given week.
I built a Turbo Fog deck with thopter combo as the win condition.
It's uh, super bad. But for some reason really fun? Also I only have one each of Sword/Foundry so it's really funny if my opponent exiles one.
>>46844274
>playing decks that someone else invented
Stay original, bro.
>>46852153
They are just talking out of their ass. Wizards QC is fucking terrible as well, leading to all kinds of variations of prints.
They like thinking they could spot fakes in games when they have probably played against thousands.
SO can someone explain to me why Experiment One is consistently played as a playset in all these Bushwhacker Zoo decks? The only card that will trigger it past the first evolve trigger is Goyf.
>>46852262
I mostly agree with you, excepting incorrect punctuation on fakes. That is a big red flag.
>>46852274
wild nacatl and kird ape can get it to 2 counters.
>>46852314
Oh wow, I'm stupid
>>46852322
Agreed
>>46852262
There are some very obvious fakes
>>46850783
Anyone?
How long will burn be a tier 1 deck? What's is history in Modern?
What do you guys think of the mtggoldfish budget series ?
I'm poor as fuck and I want to build a deck that is not mono red aggro and some of their budget decks seem pretty fun. So, is it worth it ?
>>46853095
My babbys first deck was the mono-w emeria titan list he has on that site. Run me about $120-150.
Never did too well with it at FNM but my LGS has a lot of longtime modern players with established decks jammed full of staples. It had a really fun Jund matchup though.
>>46853095
They are all garbage. You need to save up 1k and then come back. That is, if you can justify spending that much on a fucking card game.
>>46853159
Even in this meta, did you manage to pull some wins outside of your opponents having bad draws ?
If those decks are good enought to have fun times without loosing all the time I'm all for it.
>>46853223
That's just it. He tests them all on MTGO, not in person. The decks are all shit in a real meta. Get 1k then we can talk.
Notice the Goblins guy earlier. Yeah it's a deck but it's shit.
>>46853095
You aren't going to have fun knowing your wallet is getting you all those losses and not your skill. It's a shitty thing to get into. Check out online Pauper if anything.
>>46853212
This is what puts me off playing anything but drafts
>>46853223
Yeah. I was able to destroy infect, and most midrange matches were pretty even. I especially loved the midrange matchup since two decks that excel lategame is always fun.
I never top8'd with it, but do you really expect to with mono white?
I say browse until you find a budget list you like and give it a shot. It's good to pick something that you can grow into a better deck.
>>46841254
>>What Tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
Emerica, because it has game against everything.
>>46853413
it also contains the word 'merica.
so there's that
Has anyone tried porting UW Reality Acid from Pauper into Modern? Seems like it would be fun, and Spreading Seas is a dank card.
>>46853435
Most modern decks that are good dump multiple creatures out. It would have bad game 1s against Jund, Affinity, Eldrazi, etc.
I could imagine it doing alright against Tron though.
>>46852183
>cardboard
it's cardstock
>>46851682
It's not going to be good in faeries because, unless you have a specific board state, it's dead in your hand. It's too conditional, and faeries decks suffer as it is when you don't have a board state.
I'd stick with counterspells or snappy.
So if I fgt like myself wanted to waste money on building fairies around how much would it cost to get it together for a good build and does anyone have a list.
>>46854170
You'd be looking at around $1100. Someone posted a list in the last thread
Vendilion C, Bitterblossom, and AV are the most expensive MB for how many you need. SB 2 Damnation is also pricy, and EE is like 20 bucks a pop and you'll want at least one.
You'll also want 3-4 Cryptic Command, and 2/3 of both Thoughtseize and IoK. Each goes for about $20.
4 Mutavault, 4 Polluted Delta, 3-4 Creeping Tar Pit will cost more than $200.
Snapcasters can also be played, usually 2.
>>46854170
Faeries is the ultimate "spend a lot of money for a Tier 59 deck". Don't do this to yourself.
>>46852164
He's a standalone powerhouse and he works with resto anyway. It's basically midrange with Kiki for random blowouts, running 2 Nahiri in the main to fix hands, blow shit up and rarely tutor up the combo piece missing.
Too jank?
how do you rate this card?
Reminder that mono green eldrazi tron has a great matchup against most of the meta and will become the new tron deck.
>>46854367
I like how they're all cut horribly. But seriously, I would notice if these were played against me.
>>46854435
I'm pretty sure that's shadow, since getting a wavy cut like that on the top is pretty weird for otherwise decent looking proxies
>>46854435
you wouldn't notice in black sleeves.
I would never check anyway
>>46854435
Funny how they all have the same shit cut. Wonder what causes it in production.
>>46854462
They're confirmed though, it's not the first time we see these.
>>46854467
I check if I find a card suspicious. You never know when you can get a free win and you literally lose nothing from asking "can I look at the card one second?" like you're double-checking its rules text.
>>46854364
..... It's shit?
>>46854524
but....what if you just think that....and it's not?
>>46854608
Are you planning on building a deck that's not going to cast its spells to pump up its 3 mana 1/1?
>>46854435
No you won't. You've already played against a shitload of proxies, from various sellers, and you did not see them. They are everywhere.
>>46852229
You can always go for the slow mill route.
List? Sounds fun
>>46854636
maybe.
maybe a few playables that make them discard, or make me draw.
im pretty high man.
>>46854677
Try managorger hydra. Its going to do something similar, but have trample and reward you for casting spells rather than punishing.
>>46851682
holy fuk
>>46854731
fuck that's way better
Mold Adder was the only really similar card i'd found until you mentioned managorger hydra
>>46854675
It's just being tried out in kitchen table at the moment since it's literally made out of shoebox cards, so not much point in putting together a list. I'm even using brainstorms and ponders because I don't have Serum Visions. And Sunlance instead of PtE...
I think I'll actually put together a Modern fog deck, it might not win all that much but it should add some mixup to FNM. I'll have to try out a mill strategy
>>46854840
Managorger hydra and some green instants to protect and buff it
There you go, much better than that Kamigawa card
>>46854990
But basically it's standard Turbo Fog, using Tezzeret to tutor the combo pieces with Academy Ruins to recover anything that ends up in the graveyard.
Having to use a playset of replicate because I only have one sword/foundry is embarrassing
>>46855040
I just want my opponent to hate himself for every card he plays. with oldmate monk, he hates playing land cards even.
>>46854990
4 Sphinx's Tutelage (Or your favourite wincon)
1 Elixir of Immortality
4 Howling Mine
4 Temple Bell
4 Dictate of Kruphix/ Font of Mythos
Those are the base elements of a modern Turbofog, give it a go and watch your opponents rage
>>46855079
Then you should play a Rack effect, I guess. Easier to play on t1, can't be removed by as many spells...
I hate blue
I hate mill decks
I hate you all
>>46855120
Well those are both shit in modern, so you should enjoy it here
>>46855120
I love you, even if you hate me
>>46855136
Did a 12 yo managed to deck you with his shitty mill deck the last time you visited your LGS or something?
anyone else watching the professional rock paper scissors that is modern pro MTG?
control>Abzan>jund>control>Abzan>jund>round and round and round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPUHwacxnBc
mute it
trust me
>>46855284
I should have muted it
>>46853413
Not against Tron it doesn't.
>>46855472
i told you dog
i told you
>>46854435
>>46854523
whenever someone shows good proxies people instantly state "I would notice"
seriously, even real cards are sometimes miscut, misaligned, have color tint, there are damages and flaws with the ink and the paper and the weight/thickness of the cards is also quite variable
and even in case you got reason to believe the card isn't real and there aren't any glaring mistakes like typos - do you really want me to believe you interrupt the match to compare the card to a real one or pull out your flashlight to test the card?
in sleeves and during normal play you wouldn't notice all the bullshit you guys always bring up
also, I prefer people showing up with proxies of 60$ cards than elitist subhumans who want to win by DQing their opponent
>>46841254
>>What Tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
Bant Company (Knightfall + Company) looks legitimate. It features a lot of value creatures like Voice and Knight and it even stars a Twin-like finish. It also has pretty nice spells against Affinity / Burn / Infect, such as Path to Exile and Dromoka's Command. The deck should be explored a little more.
>>46855669
This man speaks the truth
>>46855671
I don't really understand why Knight of the Reliquary comes with batteries included, without its abilities, it is still a great card
>>46855799
*its activated ability
>>46855671
It's an infinitely worse value pile than Junk, Abzan coco, Jund or Kiki Chord if it doesn't hit lethal by turn 4-5, only having slightly better game vs Tron since it fetch all Ghost Quarters and maybe even Tec Edges if there's no t3 karn. The combo itself is too easy to disrupt (everything that interacts with Abzan coco sticks + any and all enchantment hate).
>>46855669
Here's the thing, saying:
>whenever someone shows good proxies people instantly state "I would notice"
doesn't magically invalidate the statement. Anyone who plays seriously in sanctioned events will be able to tell all of these are fake. They ALL have the issue of "if you hold them in your hand, you can tell it's a fake right away".
And interrupting the match to give you a game loss and a handicap for the rest of the event is certainly worth it. I'm playing for money here. Besides, I won't call you out on your bullshit right away, I'll just ask to read the card up close and pretend to have a rulings question for a judge in private.
Sure, I can give you the miscut thing in black sleeves. But the color tint is much more severe than you claim. It's easy to tell them apart.
>>46854328
>>46854341
>>46854357
>>46854367
Dat font. Like seriously, you would never even pass a glance at these. Literally the first person to look at one of your cards will call you.
The Sutcliffe guy is damn insufferable - that endless, phony enthusiasm, the cluelessness about the game, his voice and complete lack of charisma.
>>46855996
specifically what about the font? I'm not seeing it
Any spoilery stuff from the protour yet?
>>46853413
4 nahiri?!
Why do you need 4?
Doesn't even seem like a good planeswalker
>>46856077
I disagree with that poster because most of these fakes look fine to me
However if you check out that jace the mindsculptor his first ability's text is s p a c e d farther apart than normal text and that's one of the only things that's legit recognizably wrong
Color is hard to judge over the Internet but color would be another thing that actually has a legit chance of being caught, not a huge chance but a chance
>>46856632
it seems to be the only wincon besides snapcaster beats
>>46856077
Look at the kerning and the serif, it doesn't even look close.
Keep in mind all you need is a single one getting pulled and your hobby is essentially ruined, and you aren't going to be playing sanctioned for a while.
>>46855120
just sideboard a eldrazi titan
People literally never notice fakes, especially in other languages. Do you know the correct font and spacing for Chinese cards? Fuck no you don't.
>>46856840
>Nahiri
>Wincon
>Weeb bullshit
pls
>>46857206
top two real, bottom two fake.
>>46857206
Bottom left one is the only real?
To be honest, it is hard to spot good fake by glance. I wonder if there is actually any that spots them during gameplay, as there is so much else to focus on.
>>46857288
You cast suspicion on them and they pass the light test. Now what? Are you going to rip up my cards verify that they're fake?
>>46857239
nahiri pulls out emrakul (wins the game).
Also
>Weeb bullshit
i don't think 4chan i s a good place for you if that triggered you, faggot.
>>46857320
I stare at you intently and let you keep playing.
I'll be watching.
>>46857328
Oh no I only have 2 turns to remove a 4cmc planeswalker and completely take away your ability to win the game. How can any deck compete?
>>46857239
>on 4chan
>not a weeb
Wrong website, kid.
Also, SOI really had zero cards that are playable in eternal formats. How does WOTC keep getting away with this?
>>46857437
i didn't make it nerd, that was my reasoning when i saw the picture of that other anon's deck list
>>46857445
It had a 2/1 for R which pisses me off so much.
I'm a red mage but red does not deserve a 2/1 with no drawbacks for 1. Good cheap creatures is not in red. Pretty soon theres gonna be a red bear.
This is the worst example of power creep.
>>46857623
>Good cheap creatures is not in red
>>What is Monastery Swiftspear
>>What is Goblin Guide
>>What is Grim Lavamancer
>>What is Eidolon of the Great Revel
>>What is Young Pyromancer
>>What is Ash Zealot
>>46857918
Ash zealot. That takes me back when standard was fun
>>46857623
Get back to us when Falkenrath Gorger is played literally anywhere but Vampire Meme Decks.
>>46857206
It is difficult to spot a good fake across the table, yeah. But if anyone who is aware of faggots like you coincidentally happens to ask to see your card to read rules text then you're fucked, because fakes look awful when given genuine scrutiny. But go ahead and keep pretending that they're perfect.
>>46858086
The fake Vials are flawless. Try to point out one mistake. You can't.
>>46858115
The bottom left is the only real one, the rules text for the rest is too thin and the tap symbols are off.
>>46858392
Again, you cast suspicion on them and they pass the blue core light test. Now what?
>>46841254
>What Tier 2 deck do you believe is very powerful in the current metagame and why?
Mill, no one expects it.
>>46858475
>Passive aggressive burn will be able to compete with burn!
Nope.
>>46858425
What does it matter? I jumped through your stupid hoops and told you which ones looked fake to me for what reasons.
How about:
>the judge believes me, thinks the cards look obviously fake and tells you to get your ass out, then puts a black flag on your name and DCI number, banning you from sanctioned events.
I can make up scenarios as well.
>>46858573
Right now you're just lying to yourself, trying to justify all the money you've spent on expensive cards when you could have spent a fraction of that and had a nicer car. You can't actually tell fake cards from real ones, but buyer's remorse prevents you from admitting it.
>>46858475
>no one expects Goyfling
>thus it'sa competitive deck
In a constructed format with 60 card decks and a large card pool, mill is a worse burn every time.
>>46856840
>>46857328
>>46857543
I like how it takes you a significant amount of time to decrease the quality of your posts.
>>46858710
Thanks for the (you)'s anon
>>46858648
>YOU CANT TELL THEYRE PERFECT
Explains exactly why you can and how fucked you are
>LOL YOURE JUST MAD AND JEALOUS AND MEMING
>>46858746
Just to be perfectly clear, you would call a judge and claim they're fake? This is something you would 100% do if you saw one of those cards being played against you?
>>46858648
>nigger asks question
>nigger gets answer
>nigger moves goal post
Get back to monkeyland where you belong.
>>46858648
You moved the goal posts like an assblasted nigger. The cards look fake when put under scrutiny and all that needs to happen is a judge to think they're fake and you're fucked. No judge at a shitty little LGS is going to bother with doing proper tests on your cards, they'll decide whether they think they're fake or not and act accordingly.
>>46858805
If they were really as bad looking as they are on these threads then hell yes I would. The "perfect" ones that get posted here are shit.
>>46858928
Specifically the Aether Vials. You would call a judge on the three Aether Vials you suspect?
>>46858963
If the imperfections I think I saw were apparent on them in play I would call a judge over and explain how they looked off, possibly counterfeit. If the judge disagreed I would appologize for slowing the game down and accusing someone of having counterfeits. If the judge agreed I'd happily take my free win.
>>46858836
>>46858850
The fun part.
>>46859030
They're all real. WOTC's QC is so shoddy that two cards from the same set can look completely different in terms of cut and saturation. You've just proved that the statement
>You can't actually tell fake cards from real ones
is true.
>>46850783
build both dude, buying a monored burn deck is essentially 50% of a goblin deck anyway.
I built both burn and goblins and I like them both
>>46859030
>>46858928
You just got served, mate
>>46859096
Okay then.
Certainly doesn't prove that you can never tell counterfeits from real cards. Ones like the Gobiln Guides and Scalding,Tarns and T A R M O G O Y Fs are legendary for how bad they are.
>>46852826
Burn is consistently tier 1
>>46859219
Do you run a store and fear losing money if you buy fakes? If you don't, just let poorfags play with fakes, after alls, it's not their fault Sionists of the Coast decided to do retarded shit that made prices skyrocket
>>46855671
4 Birds of Paradise
1 Breeding Pool
4 Collected Company
2 Declaration in Stone
2 Eternal Witness
1 Flooded Strand
4 Forest
1 Gavony Township
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Path to Exile
2 Plains
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Retreat to Coralhelm
3 Scavenging Ooze
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Temple Garden
3 Voice of Resurgence
1 Westvale Abbey
4 Windswept Heath
1 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Choke
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 Negate
1 Pithing Needle
2 Stony Silence
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Twisted Image
Soul Sisters is probably my favorite "tier 2" deck. I play it almost exclusively. I win most of my FNMs. I don't think it's a tier 1 deck, but it might be now that Eldrazi is gone and creature heavy matchups are a bit more common.
It's also pretty inexpensive, so I recommend a budget build of it to people who want into the format.
Auriok Champion is my waifu.
>>46859391
>I win most of my FNMs
How? It literally has its only good MU in Burn.
>>46859314
I don't, and I have no problems with poorfags being poor and buying fake cards, but if they're between me and a prize at a sanctioned event it's well within reason I'd take any advantage I could.
>>46857623
>Good cheap creatures is not in red
What? Red's only good creatures are the ones that are dirt cheap, they start sucking ass after 3 CMC.
>>46859470
I have no problems with that, but it is a shame the rules would take victory away from people who make it with skill alone
>>46859381
Wrong list, here's the proper one.
>>46859661
I'd prefer it be more affordable too, so that the skill aspect could be the barrier to entry rather than spending $1000 on cards. But i like to compete and i have disposable income, so i pay to play.
>>46859661
Well its the risk you are taking when using counterfeits anon. I dont mind if they are used in a fnm tourney. I'm cool with that. In a pro tour the story changes and if possible, I will call a judge the moment I found your cards are fakes.
I guess most people here dont give a shit if fakes are used in a FNM.
>>46859939
Largely, I mean, for a playmat or something I may, but if it's a random FNM and we're playing for packs i don't care.
>>46859419
Getting to 30 life is pretty easy in the first few turns with Martyr. Ajani's Pridemate quickly outclasses Tarmogoyf. Archangel of Thune under Windbrisk Heights seals the deal, and Auriok Champion dodges a lot of removal.
It has a great matchup against Burn, but it plays fairly against a lot of other decks aside from Infect.
>>46859983
That is the gameday anon. FNM you just compete for packs or store credit depending of your lgs.
Here is my stoory btw
I used proxy/counterfeits in a big tourney (was playing infect and missed 2 inkmoths). I won that tourney but only one guy valled to a judge to check one inkmoth i had out. I had the chance to switch it with the one in my hand when he was not looking. By the time the judge came, he found nothing sispicious and the guy had a warning for insisting. He was so mad he just took his stuff, told the judge he was shit at his job and left. Days passed and he couldnt play the nwxt fnm cause the judge was the owner of the LGS and he banned him lulz.
>>46860124
My LGS hands out store prizes. So if it's something I'd like I'll go for it, if not then beat my shitbrew.
>>46860124
Wow you fucking asshole. You just made a judge ban a guy for telling the truth.
The world is truly an unfair place to live
