>haw haw
>nice prince you had there, dweebs.
>thought I'd borrow him for a while
>1000 copper peices for his safe return.
1000 copper? here ya go. quest complete.
1000 copper is practically chump change afterall.
There's a lot of traditional games potential in this thread. I hope it does well.
>>46688994
The original text that went with this image was much better OP.
Alright bozs here's the plan mates weez gunna save da prince boyz we gots dis covered
>1. Mug people on the streets
>2. Get 1000 copper
>3. Pay da broad
>4. Git da prince
>>46689025
I think she's just being a playground bully, i.e. charging a trivial amount and mainly doing it to piss everyone off.
AT THE SAME TIME I wonder if there's a proper scale of captured prince/princess ransoms. Like there are a lot of factors affecting that, probably
>>46689025
Not the OP, but in Wild Fields that's enough to buy a village. Or equip a winged hussar.
>>46689079
But Anon, this is /tg/ so the only thing that matters is how D&D/PF do it.
>tfw our game got derailed by a PC with the same style of operation
Though it is a fun game for sure.
>>46688994
Nine hundred. You can keep the part below knees.
Low int/wis, lighthearted games are my favorite. Certainly I find them the most fun.
>>46689065
>if there's a proper scale of captured prince/princess ransoms
Yes. In the 14th c. the going rate was about 50,000 - 100,000 livres for a Duke, 100,000 to 300,000 for a prince (princesses were not ransomed, though they were often held against their will and married off) and anywhere from 500,000 to 3 million for a great king.
>>46688994
1- Thats a piss poor ransom, this is why women don't make as much, they don't have the courage to ask for more
2-Princes are raised to be badasses because they have to lead a nation. The socialist fantasy that they are all cuckbois is fucking stale as year old bread
>>46689025
I think that's the joke.
>>46689371
I still love that the english peasant's revolt ended when the 14 year old prince regent of england asked to meet the leaders of the revolt in neutral grounds to discuss accepting the peasant's demands, and the prince regent stabbed all of them to death.
It is said that, so brutal was the princeling's orgy of stabbing, to this day the people of england are unnaturally afraid of knives.
>>46688994
. . . . Well, as the current Regent of the Crown I feel I have to ask: How much would we have to pay you to keep him? He's really kind of an embarrassment but I still wasn't looking forward to having to choose between having a civil war or strangling my nephew.
He'll make a great housewife for you.
>>46689052
Do you have that ?
Intrigued
I mostly hate this artist because most of these women warriors are drawn uglier than shit on purpose. They seem to think that strong women can't be beautiful because that would be sexist. Or maybe they're trying for masculinity, and think ugly is masculine. I like the armour and general idea of some of his work though.
>>46689025
She only kidnapped the prince because she wants you to notice her.
>>46689672
He's a fun artist, just a little brainwashed.
In one of his livestreams he told me that he thinks art of women that are well proportioned is exploitative of women...I am a woman, he could have just been trying to white knight?
>>46689785
Didn't he draw that woman knight who looks like she's been weeping hysterically for days?
>>46689672
>I mostly hate this artist because most of these women warriors are drawn uglier than shit on purpose.
Why does every woman have to be sexy/cute/pretty attractive? Does every man in media have to be a smoking hot hunk? I mean most people that get into a lot of life or death fights probably are gonna get a little fucked up after a while.
>>46689971
Good question, you should start a thread related to it.
>>46689971
Because most people are generally attractive. Walk downtown and really look at people, and you'll realize that there really aren't all that many horrendously ugly people.
And my real problem with the art is that he seems to have this idea that being beautiful is bad, which is fucking backwards and retarded.
>>46689672
I dislike this artist because his style makes me think of Superjail for some reason.
>>46689971
Because with elves around only the absolutely most attractive of human women can attract mates to breed with - everyone else remains barren due to dat sexy elven [spoiler
boi[/spoiler] pussy.
>>46688994
Did you just call me a dweeb? I'll beat you up for that, bozo!
Proceed to run at her swinging.
>>46690130
I wish you hadn't pointed this out, now I can't unsee it.
>>46690100
He draws them ugly to "protect" women, that does feel backwards somehow.
>>46689672
Who is this artist?
>1000 copper peices for his safe return.
Finally someone who readily accepts copper coinage! Just hang around for a few minutes and we'll get the money.
In the meantime, have you thought about how to carry it all home? I mean it is nearly twenty tons you're asking for here.
>>46689672
>She only kidnapped the prince because she wants you to notice her.
There are better ways to get sempai to notice you.
>show up and kill the bandits
>kill the prince too
>claim the bandits killed the prince
>come back with loot, glory and you have saved the kingdom from having a shit king one day
>>46688994
why is the pink thing borrowing the armor?
>>46688994
He's my prince? Well, I didn't vote for him.
>>46689785
>he thinks art of women that are well proportioned is exploitative of women
>A little brainwashed
>a little
>>46690254
I want to say Abbadon, Abbadon of Kill Six Billion Demons.
killsixbilliondemons.com
I'm looking at this guy's tumblr and I just don't see whats so horrendously ugly about his women. I may have found the wrong blog, but this guy does plenty of intentionally sexy ladies
>>46690149
Maybe that's why they're resorting to kidnapping?
>>46690668
>guy
>>46689672
>woman warriors are really unattractive
Maybe you just find this artist's style of drawing people unnatractive, and you're so acclimated to seeing pretty warriors that you just assume there is a hidden agenda. How is the lack of pretty warriors evidence that there a message of pretty=bad?
I think you're inferring something that isn't there. It's okay not to like a particular art style for wholly aesthetic reasons without tacking some politics onto it to justify why you don't like it.
Oh hey, it's the same dude that used to do Cultist Quest. Who else here also remember that quest from those years back?
>>46690812
the whole thread so far has been saying guy, I honestly didn't care enough to check. It was the wrong blog anyway. I've now found the right one, and say with some certainty that the women are no weirder proportioned or beaten up than the men in this dude's art, the style is just like that.
>>46689436
Just so you know, I'm going to make that part of the history of a country in my setting.
>>46690608
Bowstrings are amazingly strong in fantasy, I've rarely seen someone unstringing their bows when not in use.
>>46688994
Bring him back after you break his hips. He's been pretty uppity lately and in need of a thorough shagging.
>>46688994
I dunno, I think the knight lady is pretty hot
>>46689436
>It is said that, so brutal was the princeling's orgy of stabbing, to this day the people of england are unnaturally afraid of knives.
Kek
>>46691159
I'm sure you can think of some satisfactory in-world reasons for why that is.
>>46688994
Isn't that like just 10 gold? You really aim low, huh?
I mean, unless yer trying to ransom the prince to a poor farmer or are a poor farmer yerself but even then thats like a good months earnings.
Eh, anyway, how about we fight for it instead? If you win, you can have a nice bit of extra gold plus the ransom for the prince back. If I win, you have to return the prince and undertake to train him as a fighter for the next 6 months, under supervision.
Im willing to give ya 40 gold if ya win and that would be on top of the 10 gold ransom.
>>46691348
I'm imagining a royal guard in the background looking at you making bets on the Prince.
>>46691019
I do, pretty fun.
Nothing like a good bandit game. Still remember well the time we kidnapped both the queen and princess and ransomed them.
Ah well, things went to shit for us because of that, but you take what you get, and it was fun while it lasted.
>>46691563
one of my favorite encounters to run was when the PCs were trekking through the deep forest and stumble upon the festival of the brigands. Because they all looked and acted like a standard band of wandering adventurers the PCs were welcomed right in among the other scruffy murderhobos of the land, and had to try to maintain their sense of moral superiority and dignity while chilling with a vast carnival of thoroughly reprehensible but personable and jovial roughians. Afterwards they became much more amenable to negotiating with criminals, if only to maintain their welcome for next year's festival.
>>46688994
>1000 copper peices for his safe return.
Wow you are a cheap guy aren't you? At least say silver pieces if you don't have the guts to ask for gold geeez...
>>46691019
Us oldfags still do!
>>46690566
Yeah, it's Abbadon's.
>>46691348
>Isn't that like just 10 gold?
No, it must be in copper.
>>46688994
That's not a prince, that's a princess!
This is a prince!
>>46689104
>have two identically named currencies with vastly different values
>most people only have a feel of the value vastly more well known currency
How fucking dare they/we.
>>46693648
Is liking reverse traps gay?
>>46689672
>mostly hate this artist because most of these women warriors are drawn uglier than shit on purpose.
OP pic isn't that bad. She just has slightly thick lips, messy hair like you'd expect after a fight, and smudged makeup. If you cleaned her up, I think she'd be on the higher side of average. Which is still notable since most young women in fantasy wind up somewhere in the model-to-supermodel range.
Personally, I'm just happy the artist managed to restrain himself from covering her with unnecessary belt-straps in an effort to look "practical". She has two belts, and they're both in expected places holding up important things: her shield, and what looks like a scabbard. She has something wrapped around her sword, but I'll let that slide for now.
>>46694535
>Is liking women gay?
Of course not. Just like how liking traps is gay. Trapfags try to justify it with the "b-but they look girly" argument but it's not like they're unknowingly trapped, the fact that it's actually a man is part of the appeal for them (otherwise they'd be ordinary heterosexuals). Just like how the femininity of the reverse trap is part of her appeal.
>>46694539
Wouldn't that cloth wrapped around the sword catch some blood that could run down the sword so your grip isn't slippery?
>>46694838
That sounds pretty sensible. I'll incorporate it into my head-canon.
>>46693648
>A_Brother's_Price.jpg
>>46694539
That's not...
Charisma isn't...
hhhhhh
>>46691348
Maybe it's a prince of farmers?
>>46689436
Jesus.
I gotta keep that one.
>>46688994
>Only character that could have had a prince son
You're on your own, kid.
I didn't raise no sissies, and if she's tough enough to keep you, you're gonna have some hella strong kids.
>>46694535
Kind of? It depends on if you know they're a reverse trap or not. If you didn't decide they were cute before they wore their woman's weeds, you're probably gay.
>>46694539
With gauntled hands and a lower leather cover on the sword blade, it is possible to reverse one's grip to use the sword as a bashing weapon. This actually was a well-known technique in the middle ages. The more you know.
>>46694972
>That's not...
>Charisma isn't...
>hhhhhh
I know it's not. I just keep the image named like that because of how popular the meme is.
>>46690608
I would that dorf
>>46690608
>standing in place with a full pack of gear and multiple injuries
>"rest"
>>46697559
You obviously don't know a thing about dwarves.
>>46688994
I'm not going to pay just because that ransom is insultingly small for my son. He's worth AT LEAST 10,000 GOLD GODDAMMIT
>>46697559
Mage is popping some healing potions, dwarf is resting on their axe and the bard/rogue/ranger halfling is either winding or unwinding their crossbow in preparation for the next encounter/the ramble through the dungeon.
>>46698823
Dwarf is still using her body to support all that weight, including balancing all the stuff on her back. Maybe I'd accept it if she was in some kind of power armor (locking armor?) that kept the weight off of her while standing still. She might not be under much stress due to her dwarven muscles having been folded a million times, but she certainly isn't resting.
Mage looks like she's about to fall over. Maybe if she took a more relaxed posture, like sitting down or even just leaning on something that doesn't require her grip or balance.
I'd let the hobbit count as resting, at least she's sitting down so all the weight isn't on her shoulders.
>tfw bully BBEG who gives us noogies and swirlies and wedgies
I think the DM is just taking out bad memories and past stress from school on us.
>>46699233
It's a short rest. They aren't building a campfire and settling down for the night, it's a breather before they continue.
>>46694824
No, the masculinity of the reverse trap is the main appeal, because its a girl you can't tell apart from a man. I don't deny that is't hetero (ew), but one doesn't generally like tomboys because for their being girly.
>>46700104
Tomboys aren't really reverse traps. It's mainly a personality and role thing than it has to do with outward appearances. It's also kind of relative. A lot of female fictional characters in Scifi and Fantasy in the laat twenty years would be tomboys by the standards of 100 years ago or even as late as the 60s.
>>46700211
still, the main appeal of a reverse trap is not her femininity, which is meant to be so lacking that she can be confused for a handsome lad.
>>46689672
>masculinity
citation
>>46700293
That is true. But I think it's unfair to compare a reverse trap to a tomboy, because a tomboy is still recognizably a girl despite the masculine traits or mindset.
That's not to say a reverse trap can't be appealing - it's just you're not supposed to be able to tell they're a girl, and in an in-character sense or whatever you'd call it, you wouldn't know yourself, so you'd probably think you were thinking gay thoughts.
>>46700831
Basically Mulan
>>46689535
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Repost this if ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ you are a beautiful strong princess ~ ~
~ ~ ~ who kidnaps all the princes ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ and lays the kingdom in smoking ruin ~ ~
~ ~ and bends the throne to her immortal will ~ ~
straight from the original pic
>>46694539
15~16 is better than 17+ imo
>>46689672
Actually, it's just because the artist just generally ends up drawing ugly women, even when trying not to.
Has a really hard time not fucking up faces.
>>46701776
Agreed. It's, 'I'm very pretty, but I'm not slutty or a child.' Ideal charisma.
>>46701811
>Has a really hard time not fucking up faces.
Doesn't surprise me. The prince there is kind of gonky looking to imo
>>46688994
>Dark Mage comes in
>Says he could use royal blood in a certain ritual
>offers 2000 copper coins in exchange for the prince
>>46689371
>Princes are raised to be badasses because they have to lead a nation.
Depends on the prince. I can imagine a sickly prince being coddled, or a second or third born who's not expected to inherit the throne not getting much badass training, especially if his older brother simultaneously isn't interested in executing his siblings but also keeping his claim to the throne safe
>>46694535
>>46694824
>>46695624
>>46700104
Everything is gay, especially if I don't like it!
No traps.
No tomboys.
No erogenous zones besides muh dick.
No BDSM.
No clit touching.
Vanilla only!
Final destination.
>>46702357
then again, one tends not to look one's best when squealing like a little bitch.
>>46702502
Or when you've just fought and killed god knows how many royal guards, fireman-carried a noble brat all the way across castle grounds, and taken two arrows deep into the shoulder. All this while wearing makeup and keeping your chest-length hair down.
>>46702692
Why was she wearing make up in the first place?
>>46702841
gotta look good while stormin the castle
>>46702841
Why not?
>>46702911
All that time and effort on your face only to get it messed up.
>>46702497
I mean traps are literally gay...
>>46688994
So 4 golden karls? You aren't a very ambitious raider...
>>46702947
I was thinking of "reverse" traps. Why reverse? It doesn't make any god damn sense.
>>46702932
It's that way a lot of the time, like if it's warm enough outside tho
>>46702983
Technically they are still traps, but male traps are far more well known so people call female ones reverse traps to avoid confusion
>>46702947
But it's the sexy kind.
>>46694535
Liking reverse traps is the least gay thing.
>>46702978
the plan is to steal him repeatedly and always ask for a low ransom until it just becomes a regular thing that the royal family has some senechal deal with on monthly basis and pays no mind to.
>>46689436
Who are you talking about? Richard II?
>>46703231
Even less gay than liking a girl who doesn't reverse trap?
>>46702983
The implication is that whoever is interested in the trap is probably male. So for the average heterosexual male, finding out someone they thought was female is a male would be setting off a trap. But finding out that a male is actually a female would be a 'reward' - a reverse trap.
This thread reminds me of the time I played an effiminate, arrogant elf wizard Prince who was stranded a thousand miles from his metropolitan kingdom. Basically played a foil to the experienced dungeoneer party.
>>46690668
Yeah, I'm not seeing it either. It's just a distinctive style. Kind of reminds me of that guy who drew All-Star Superman, it's weird but it sort of grows on you after a while.
>>46688994
>pay the copper
>receive the prince
>kill the knight and take everything she used to own
She's probably a fighter or a blackguard, anyway. Literally fucking worthless.
>>46697559
It's tumblr as fuck. The person who drew it has probably never been injured or even had to exert themselves in their entire life.
>>46704914
I'm not seeing what's tumblr about that. That describes literally everyone on 4chan.
>>46704914
>tumblr as fuck
I don't understand what is "tumblr" about that image, except for the tumblr nose on the dwarf.
>>46690262
>50 copper = 1ton
>1copper =20 kg
what the fuck kind of coins do you use
>>46689436
As I recall, it was the mayor of London who did that, and it was because Wat went full retard and pulled a knife on the prince during negotiations.
Granted he may have been bullshitting about that part
>>46694539
start it at 7-8 and its a sliding scale of tumblr art to weeb art
>>46688994
That prince is a faggot, but the king really wants us to defend him. Hey, can you put on a show or something; make it look like we're saving him from peril so the King will reward us for our efforts: we'll even split it up with you; make some gold out of it!
>>46691019
Is that guy Abaddon? He's got a webcomic now. Check out Kill Six Billion Demons.
>>46703550
Yes.
>>46705398
...the kind in the picture he posted along with his post? Did you even look at it? Did you read the title? Anything?
>>46705448
The chronicler who says the Mayor was the stabber of Wat Tyler also says that the mayor slashed wat tyler's face and neck with a sword, but that wat survived long enough to be later decapitated after riding back to london, staying a few weeks in a pauper's infirmary and then being put on trial - also asserts the fight started because Wat Tyler "rudely rinsed his mouth out with water" and one of Richard II courtiers called him the biggest theif in kent.
Personally I'm putting my money, all 1ton of copper, on Richard II straight up going into one of the stab franzies that would later dominate much of his life as hunchbacked king of england.
Wanna know why he wanted a horse so badly he'd give his kingdom up for one? Because he'd stabbed all the other horses right before a battle.
>>46709486
I will take that bet, peasant.Because you're thinking of Richard III (Richard of York, 1452-1485), not Richard II (Richard Plantagenet, 1367-1400). Though its debatable how much of a mad stabber Dick 3 was as well.
>>46709593
Though I note that Richard II's dad, the so-called "black prince of Belle's Aire (a manor in kent)" on account of his life being flipped turned upside down by the hundred years war, died before under mysterious stabbing related circumstances and thus allowed Richard II to become king right after his grandfather died.
>>46689672
It's funny how reverse-SJWs look for any possible reason to get upset on the Internet.
>>46688994
I got a different proposal for you? What about you marry him and I make you nobility. You two are bound to have fine, strong children.
>>46705027
>I don't understand what is "tumblr" about that imag
When someone is upset at perceived sociopolitical situations in their larger world and lacks the ability to articulate their upsettitude, they ejaculate "tumblr!" until exhausted.
>>46709868
I've been known to ejaculate into a tumbler until exhausted.
>>46709868
>>46705027
No, he means >shitty stylized western art< those "quirky" fags on tumblr love.
>upsettitude
Stop posting.
>>46689104
You of course mean how GURPS handled it, right?
>>46688994
>One thousand copper pieces
>One hundred silver pieces
>Ten gold pieces
>One platinum piece
I've purchased whores for greater fortunes. Do you want it in a sack or just in a pig trough?
>>46709780
>reverse-sjw's
>a.k.a. normal people
>>46710862
No, a WJS is a completely different thing from the excluded middle.
For one thing, they have fewer hitdice.
>>46709780
It's kind of obvious at this point though that it's only SJW's that keep bumping this thread. It's basically an empty topic that they're using to hold a chat while the guy hoping to promote this webcomic encourages them.
Also, does anyone have that SJW wearing a mask image?
>>46710887
The middle isn't excluded, the middle are normal people who don't like obviously stupid shit.
The louder ones do tend to have fewer hitdice though.
>>46701703
Well, that was disappointing
>>46702432
> Implying that the secondarily princes don't git gud on their own in hopes of usurping the throne
>>46709978
Okay so have we hit the point where our definition of tumblr art is literally "stylized" and "western"?
There was some point where there was some method to what got called "tumblr art," like it was this vaguely adventure timey style with noodle arms and red noses, but is it really just "stylized cartoons" now? The K6BD guy is as far off from the style I used to associate with whining about tumblr that you can get and this has become fucking obnoxious
>>46711076
No, it's a particular type of shitty western stylization. One of the defining traits of "tumblr art" is ugly faces with fucked up mouths and teeth, particularly on women.
It's half "We're redefining the standards of beauty, get with the times," and half "We're shitty artists that spent too much time with furries so we don't know how to draw an attractive human face."
And, awful faces is the defining characteristic of the K6BD art style.
>>46708862
i wanted to say this, but you said it so much better than i ever could of
>>46711052
Sometimes they just luck out and the golden boy dies unexpectedly without any prompting, like what happened with the young Prince Henry Tudor and his brother Arthur (Arthur was originally wed to Catherine of Aragon, and Henry had the hots for her so badly that when his brother died he wangled it so he could marry her instead, even though it was against canon law and required special dispensation from the pope. That turned out to be a mistake, in hindsight).
>>46709742
Nah, the Black Prince likely died from complcations due to contracting dysentery on campaign. Much like Henry V (he of Agincourt fame) he probably died shitting himself to death.
History is a marvellous subject.
>>46710855
Edgy, but I like it. Not bad.
>>46688994
>not a handpuppet
fucking hell, fuck this gay thumbnail shit
>>46711213
how come whenever a lady isn't draw with the same 3 faces as every other one, people like you get mad?
>>46711494
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>>46711494
That sounds like a stupid false dichotomy. Sameface is another problem.
>>46711626
What about SideMoth?
>>46711494
Artist of OP's pic detected.
>>46689672
>>46689785
>>46711652
Only acceptable in anime on a budget. Inexcusable in manga or animation with high production value.
>>46711213
not that guy but those characters don't look very intentionally "ugly" within the art style. I'm sure you'll disagree, at least partly because you're too invested in this argument at this point, but that doesn't look traditionally "ugly," especially considering that's most likely a dwarf that's being drawn. Then there is also no fucked up teeth as you describe. Mage has like 4 arrows stuck inside so that's an understandable face.
Some of you people are as easily triggered as tumblr is and it probably detracts from your enjoyment of things more than you'd like.
>>46711626
people getting pissed and accusing artists of being tumblr when ladies aren't sameface sounds related to me.
Though probably not relevant to the argument they were trying to have, so I'll drop it.
>>46711803
It's a false dichotomy because you're implying that his bad artstyle is the only way to avoid sameface.
>>46711840
I can see how it'd come off that way. Could you give me an example where that isn't the case? Not for argument purposes, I'd just like to see it done.
>>46711870
Really? You haven't come across any other art outside of your dichotomy, in any medium, in all the years you've been alive? Okay, anything bordering on photorealism for starters. To save myself time just go here.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CastOfSnowflakes
>>46712076
>tvtropes
>>46712102
It's just a collection of relevant media by people with too much time on their hands. I'm not going to write a TL;DR list when there's a wiki with the exact same thing on hand.
>>46712076
I was thinking specifically female character sameface, which a lot of the examples listed still do, but the males sure are diverse.
>>46712102
>only my ugly tumblr tier art isn't sameface!
>thinks he isn't the one baiting
>>46712318
hey man, I'm not that guy you're quoting. I just want an example of what you're talking about. You probably got one in your head right now, just tell me.
>>46712283
They don't all though. Someone also made the point here that while real people aren't all 8-10s they also aren't largely 1-4s. When people don't approve of a lot characters they deem ugly they just think they largely ought to be 5-6-7s, you know the inbetween, like real life.
>>46712368
Okay, if we're going animation then the Total Drama cartoons.
>>46712549
That sounds like a good example. Even though half the ladies have similar faces with different expressions there's definitely variety.
And not enough to piss off that guy trying to root out all tumblr.
>>46712368
>>46712643
Berzerk is pretty decent with this too although that could just be the art changing over the years. It's sort of the case with Jojo anyway since Jojo hardly features girls at all and many of the prominent girls are spread out over years. Yukako is pretty distinct from Lisa Lisa or Mariah anyway. I'd throw in part 6 too but it's when all the Jojo characters started looking truly samey.
>>46712815
>>46713198
What
>>46712163
Not the other anon, but how new to internet are you to seriously consider giving links to tv tropes as a better option than writing things down?
I mean there are reasons (note the plural) why people react like this toward this particular wikia
>>46710855
>Having such absurdly shitty coinage
>>46713431
>I mean there are reasons (note the plural) why people react like this toward this particular wikia
Because it has an awful community and enabled blogposting pages for years, but that's like getting mad over the discussion page in any wiki up to and including wikipedia.
>>46712815
A lot of those jojo ladies look like gender swapped versions of the men. Or is it the other way around?
>>46713866
i think the androgyny is kind of the point
>>46713866
Depends on the Part. Early Jojo everyone is manly, late Jojo everyone is girly.
>>46713866
In part 3 Polnareff's Sister, when she's briefly shown fairly late in the part, is literally just drawn as Lisa Lisa from part 2.
There was some terrible sameface before SBR and his art game levelled up.
