Is Chaotic Neutral the cop out alignment?
>>46682074
More accurately it's the alignment that's most easily abused, sometimes even without meaning too. It's for this reason that I never let anyone play CN even if I know they are good roleplayers. I always believed CN was the alignment of mental patients, people who cannot understand themselves or the world around them enough to function.
While it can be played well, it tends to attract douchebags and those who want to be evil without pinging a paladin's gaydar.
>>46682386
So wouldn't they just move one up the chain then and play true neutral?
It's not really going to stop people from playing characters where one of the dnd alignments isn't one of the key focuses of the character.
>>46682388
Really though if a Paladin sees any character do evil he should still carry out justice.
>>46682388
That's why you convince the paladin that you NEED to muder the children. I've managed to succeed in this because the children were possessed by demons.
>>46682074
Go away, and stop trying to spam your gay youtube channel.
>>46682074
>>46682721
It's even worse. He's from the same site as the Nostalgia Critic.
>>46682721
Nah, I think he has given up any sort of relevance. He now just does endless boring Let's Play with little commentary. He has completely fallen-from-grace.
>look mom I posted it again!
Fuck off spoony shitposter.
>>46682727
>Lawful Neutral
>Boring as shit
Sounds like someone needs a lengthy stay in the isocubes
>>46682074
The DM won't let anyone play an Evil character because the resident autist is a Lawful Stupid paladin who won't deal with Neutral Evil characters but is willing to murder a group of Chaotic Good villagers.
What I mean to say is alignments are spoopid.
>>46682727
>Lawful Good best alignment
Alignments are garbo but I hate people who fellate LG even more than normal
it's especially bad on /tg/ where all discussion in favor of their pet alignment boils down to typing "RIDER KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK" over and over
>>46682915
It's not that I think LG is best alignment, it's that I think LG is least bad
I agree with you that alignments are bad
>>46682074
Anyone who wants to play CN I immediately assume is anti-social, not a team-player, and will be difficult to get involved in the story, except by throwing targets at them to kill.
>>46682915
>>46682727
>>46682971
>Lawful Good
>tfw you play CN all every time
Cause fuck you and your alignment system.
I do what I want and I don't have to explain myself, nor should I need to.
>>46683112
Do orcs just have that many giant tusks lying around that they use them to build cradles?
>>46683130
Probably one of the most beautiful examples of CN mindset
>>46683130
*tips*
>>46682074
i consider it the "i want to make an evil character in a good/neutral campaign but i'm too much of a pussy to deal with the consequences of my actions" alignment
>>46682727
>lawful good is the best
opinions disregarded completely
I make it a point to never give views to someone with disabled comments and discussions.
Well sometimes you want to make a character who is okay with torturing bad guys but still loves his friends, ya know?
>>46682809
>dread
>anything but LG
sounds like you need to join him too
>>46683651
>dread
jesus christ i'm tired
>>46683651
Yeah, he is later in the comics due to character development. Not early on though. Sometimes he even verged on lawful evil.
>>46682727
As a longtime player, I agree with all of these except LE. That one usually winds up as "mildly disruptive, but thinks he's being clever because you don't want to risk destroying the campaign to make him cut it out".
>NE, CN, LE
>"mom said you have to let me play too"
I kek'd
>>46683580
>disabling youtube comments
>a bad thing
>>46683877
Someone make mean nasty wordypurdy on your sweet little hugbox that needs some kishus, sweetcums?
>>46683877
Disabling comments almost always means they don't want anyone to see the counter-arguments.
>>46683942
spoken like someone who's never read youtube comments
most of the time it's something retarded like "FIRST" or "<insert unpopular person here> didn't like this" or "<insert dank memes here>"
>>46683942
Nothing good has ever come from youtube comments. This is a fact.
>>46683942
His thread, his rules. Don't like 'em? Take your comments elsewhere. It's not like anyone's obligated to provide you a soapbox.
>>46683877
>>46683990
Jesus christ. He vlogs about WWE and tabletop games not fucking politics.
>>46684003
But he didn't suggest forcing him to do otherwise, moron. He said he ignores him for doing so, which is entirely within those rights you're currently trying to claim as a means to shut him up.
>>46684003
They're not obliged to let anyone comment, and of course the Internet is full of shitposting. But disabling comments is a reliable indicator of someone who can't handle criticism, or whose argument is easily countered, or both.
Yes. I'll always assume you're going to be an annoying player if your character is chaotic neutral or chaotic evil.
CN can be done right.
>>46684093
This.
>>46683877
He turned them off because everyone was getting fed up with him not making videos and only talking about wrestling.
>>46684066
God Tier: Doesn't use alignment
Decent Tier: LG, LN
Ehh Tier: TN, NG
Warning sign tier: CG, LE
What are you even doing tier: CN, CE, NE
>>46684093
>CN can be done right
Every alignment *can* be done right, it just never happens. If you had what it takes to get it right, then you would know better than to do it in the first place.
>>46684160
They were right to complain. Now look at him and laugh.
Spoony doesn't like 5E because the book had a weird smell.
>>46684234
I asked him in one of his streams last year if he planned to make another review in 2015.
He kicked me.
>>46682074
Chaotic Neutral is the narccicist's alignment.
Chaotic Neutral is the lone rogue's alignment.
Chaotic Neutral is a "I'm-interested-in-developing-my-character-so-that-maybe-he-changes-his-alignment" alignment.
It's been ruined by edgy faggots who don't know how to play chaotic neutral right.
>>46682074
Chaotic neutral is supposed to be the character whose only concern is himself. Played correctly, it's a completely viable alignment. The problem is nobody plays it correctly.
He's chaotic because if a law benefits him, he'll follow it, but most of the it won't, so he ignores it.
He's neutral because again, he cares about himself. He might work for a bad guy because he needs money, but knows the GUY is a douchebag, then leave right before the BBEG double-crosses him and tries to get out of paying. He may then help good characters, but only because they serve his own ends of revenge, getting more money, or even just giving him a batter chance to get out of Dodge.
Chaotic does not mean retard, it means a disregard for law and order.
So essentially, chaotic neutral would be the "true" alignment of many thieves. He's not going to rob an orphanage just for the hell of it and he's no Robin Hood, he steals for himself and that's it. They're with the party for purely selfish reasons, whether that means the party is his best bet or survival or he just has nothing better to do. Giving him a reason to stick around for a full campaign would be tough without a kind of cliche "revenge/he took something from me" arc, but it would be possible. The problem is as a chaotic neutral to be in character he would only do things to serve his own ends. If you told him he needed to cut the rope the party is hanging on so he can kill the bad guy, odds are he'll do it unless the party has something he needs on them.
It's not a license to go full retard, lose your damn mind, and stab everyone in sight.
This said, it's a very tricky thing to make work in a party and I don't blame people for banning it in their games
>>46684249
>Spoony doesn't like 5E because the book had a weird smell.
I'm still convinced his shitty 5E review was because he didn't adequately prep for it, tried to go for shock value, and only looked at the book for less than 24 hours because he agreed to it or something. I think he'd have done a lot better if he took his time, did his homework, and waited for the hype to die down before reviewing.
>>46684272
The most telling sign of the fundamentally pointless nature of alignments is that every gamer who interacts with them has a different view on how they "ought" to be played.
>>46684003
I dont get this gif
>>46682074
No, true neutral is.
Read the Ego and Its Own before playing Chaotic Neutral and you'll do just fine. Read Stirner's Critics for bonus points.
>>46682752
Used to be.He left because some stupid bitch from that group with too much goddamn time on her hands decided to start some COLOSSAL FUCKING DRAMA over some bullshit that wasn't relevant to anything and almost tore the entire Nostalgia Critic team to bloody ribbons.
>>46684284
>odds are he'll kill his whole party to spite one enemy
>"not a license to go full retard"
>>46684307
Somebody with some artistic talent was really butthurt about people using wikipedia to refute his argument I guess.
>>46684314
True Neutral still has to toe the line in order to be TN instead of CN.
>>46684354
The Y axis doesn't really check out. Some evil characters can be nice and some good characters can be pricks.
>>46684400
>Some evil characters can be nice
wat
>>46684324
i really should get that documentary on the secret world of internet personalites off the ground
sounds like there's prime material in it especially in any drama relating to TGWTG
>>46684332
>BBEG is gonna destroy the universe
>CN realizes that he lives in this universe and he's like it to not be destroyed
>if he doesn't cut the rope now, the BBEG will almost definitely pull off his plan
I think that'd be a pretty reasonable response if he's truly CN. That said, most CN's will probably drift toward CG or CE in reflection of their party over time, but it's possible
>>46684036
>He vlogs about WWE and tabletop games
No wonder he disables comments, the arguments on actual politics vlogs are probaly more civil
>>46684455
Ruthless dictators and serial killers are often very charismatic people.
>>46684354
>>46684503
Everyone was pretty civil in the comments. Nobody liked the content he was putting out because nobody cared about fucking wrestling.
It was all he talked about for like 6 months until he disabled the comments. At the time, his fans were paying him 4 grand a month and he was doing nothing.
>>46684503
>>46684036
reading the comments on WWE's videos or any clip from a pro wrestling podcast is probably some of the most cringeiest things i've ever had the misfortune of reading
he's right to disable comments
>>46684541
Ethics are subjective though.
>>46684591I want more Counter Monkey.
>>46684685
As are laws.
I want to write shemale smut with Linkara.
>>46684541
>>46682074
Absolutely, and everyone trying to say otherwise are probably That Guys trying to justify their disruptive bullshit.
>>46684727
Hey! A Lawful Neutral character can follow gis own strict code but it might not mesh with the laws of the land!
>>46684744
>>46684493
>BBEG is gonna destroy the universe
>CN realizes that he lives in this universe and he's like it to not be destroyed
>if he doesn't cut the rope now, the BBEG will almost definitely pull off his plan
You know it won't happen like that. It'll be more like:
>climbing up a rope, CN gets up first, sees the dungeon boss
>dungeon boss tells CN that he'll be rewarded for turning on his friends
>if CN doesn't cut the rope right now, the boss might not give him unspecified extra treasure
>cuts the rope, shitstorm results
>"It's what my character would do!"
>>46684756
Technically you'd blank out play by the rules instead since you didn't specify what the rules were. Are they a personal code or the law of the land?
>>46682074
I miss when spoony made videos
>>46684766
Best version:
>climbing up a rope, CN bard gets up first, sees the dungeon boss
>dungeon boss tells CN that he'll be rewarded for turning on his friends
>CN bard rolls a 40+ on seduction
>"Okay, they've all got boners. What do I have to do next?"
>>46684462
No one would care
>>46684798
>>46684284
>Chaotic neutral is supposed to be the character whose only concern is himself
I thought that was Neutral Evil. Whatever, alignment is stupid and should have been shitcanned decades ago.
>>46682783
Which is a pity. I rather liked his FF and Ultima stuff. He had a fun 'I'm going to just sort of ramble my mind' way of doing it that went odd places.
On topic-ish anectdote of my current party, all of which are neutral and being played surprisingly well.
me: N fighter/rogue multiclass, former thieve's guild member who's reforming, played like the wisecracking and sarcastic tactician. I often like starting off any character as N and shifting it depending one what decisions I make (which is of course depending on the circumstances and setting).
Warpriest: also true neutral, more of a "believe in herself" type, doesn't jump on things right away and acts fairly prudent. Rocks some shit with morningstar and shield.
Monk: LN, disciplined and wise, honorable warrior type. The player is of a similar mindset irl, and knows how to bring his character to life
Druid: CN, and one of the few people that I've seen play the alignment well. His idea of what CN is like would be nature itself. Part of nomadic tribe, gives no fucks about civilized society, but doesn't pick fights or act disruptive just for the fuck of it. Not sure how to describe it well, but he pulls it off perfectly.
Whole group of neutrals, sometimes good-ish leaning, but when they find the bad guys... oh boy, they wish it was the Paladins that got to them first. Fucking love my group. My experience may not be typical, but always keep a little benefit of doubt when you see players with CN characters.
>>46684455
Alignment isn't something that makes you automatically Super Hitler Stalin who is rude to every person in the service industry and beats their wife and kids.
Evil has friends and loved ones too. There's also those who simply hold themselves to some standards of some sort that keeps them from being utter pricks. Also just as an evil person may see in problem in burning down an orphanage if it benefited them more than it would harm them, they also see no problem in saving an orphanage if it benefited them more than it would cost them to save it.
>>46682074
>2016
>Still using aligment system
It's not about bashing D&D or anything, but honestly, this entire system is basically "I don't need to have any personality on my character, because I have alignment", leading to shallow, poorly designed and even more poorly role-played characters.
Not to mention most people being unable to understand how broad meaning each alignment has, so they play everything very one-noted.
>>46685454
What about older systems with alignmemt dependment spells and settings like planescape? How do you handle those instances without alignments?
>>46684843
The same can apply to good vs evil. Good tends to be altruistic or at least helping everyone, evil tends to be focused on themselves.
Mentality chart
>LAW SIDE
>LAWFUL
I stop at all yellow lights, because someone might get hurt, and that law was put there for a reason.
>NEUTRAL
I'll stop at a yellow light if I think someone is coming the other way, but otherwise, if I'm close enough, I'll gun it.
>CHAOTIC
I run every yellow light I see. I'm too fast, and these goody two shoes are never running lights either, so I'm totally safe.
>LIFE SIDE
>GOOD
If he shows a sign of repentance, its better to forgive and forget. Only those who show no remorse should be punished.
>NEUTRAL
I'll let him go, unless I think he's going to go get his buddies to get revenge on me. In which case, I'd hate to do it, but I better stop him now.
>EVIL
Fool me once, shame on me. I'm going to show you and everyone around you why you're not going to fuck with me ever again.
>>46685480
By making the fucking character first. You shouldn't just pick an alignment and play it. You should make a character with a personality, and then figure out where he is on the alignment axis.
This goes for >>46684296
as well.
>>46685652
That's not what I'm talking about though. Alignment dependent spells such as Summon Monster and a setting where planes are designed around alignments. How do you do those if you axe alignments?
>>46685688
You don't axe alignments. You just stop using them wrong.
>>46682074
Only when used by that guy who wants to meta game. Otherwise it would fit some characters. IE a gun nut, or a gentleman theif.
>>46683151
>He didn't spend 30 levels committing genocide against pig men in the Barrens
You haven't lived, man.
>>46685774
best part about it is the pig men in the barrens are arguably the good guys in the whole conflict
when i think of CN, i think of the tick. he thinks he's LG, but the results speak for themselves.
>>46686023
Shit man, every character I make is technically LG and thinks they're LG but their actions are borderline CN everytime and the end results are even worse everytime.
>>46684249
>Begins video thanking his fans for supporting him and promising not to be an AD&D grognard
>Spends over two hours shitting on his fans and being an AD&D grognard
Every time.
>>46684842
Once a king...
I think CN is a good alignment for less than scrupulous nobility
>>46685529
>I stop at all yellow lights, because someone might get hurt, and that law was put there for a reason.
That's not the law.
>>46682386
That's basically how our group's two CN characters go. Minotaur barbarian's prone to raging and causes problems if people get in his face, though it's mostly played for giggles. He has a catastrophically low INT score which impedes him at pretty much every turn.
I myself play a mentally broken and glued back together undead. He basically runs on kid logic. If people are nice to him they must be Good and if people are mean to him ('mean' basically meaning outright attacking him) then they're Bad and he's going to scour them from the face of the fucking earth. He joined in the quest to kill the BBEG because said villain gypped him on payment for an (un)life-threatening job.
Probably worth noting that the setting we run in is pretty much pure camp and this game's been running since we were sophomores in highschool, so I doubt it's up to /tg/'s refined standards. We have fun with it, though so I figured I'd share anyway.
>>46683580
Could someone explain to me what in the hell totalbiscuit did to his comments section it doesn't say that they're blocked but there's never any there.
>>46686599
Instead of turning it completely off he set it to 'whitelist only' and just never whitelists anything.
>>46684249
He probably sat it in his lap when he read over it in an afternoon and then took a shower before his video.
Faggot gets all depressed and fails at hygiene.
Also he tends to pull stuff out of his ass on things he's clearly not versed in.
Most of it boils down to him being as can be.
About the only thing I semi enjoy are when he recaps on old game experiences.
But I tend to enjoy old game stories from other people.
That's actually how I've recruited players into games.
>At a restaurant
>Eating burgers with soon to be player and talking about past games back and forward
>Lots of laughs
>Dude a few tables pipes in
>Hey are you guys talking about D&D?
>Yep trying to find players for a group so we can play
>Invite him over 5 minutes later
How I deal with chaotic neutral
When they go all murder hobo I let em
When they start doing everything they can at their parties and every npcs expenses even for a completely shitty payout
Hurr durr my character lives for himself
I secretly start drifting their alignment
Plenty of spells react to evil
Plenty of magical monsters KOS when it comes to evil creatures.
It's usually a fun surprise.
The CN people are usually the ones who the table ends up getting tired as shit of regardless.
>>46684539
That doesn't mean they're nice people though.
Chaotic alignment is supposed to purely the rejection of law. Neutral should be advancing yourself without REALLY hurting others. Chaotic neutral is the most abused alignment people don't understand it and see it as an excuse to be total cocknballs do whatever I want criminals. Chaotic neutral is my favorite alignment but it attracts the worst people for the wrong reasons. Praise Jesus Christ, our lord and saviour, do I love and hate chaotic neutrals.
>>46682074
I miss Spoony. I hope he recovers from his depression soon.
CN can be played well as a proper renegade without a cause or a cutthroat survivalist who is not a sadist.
People who use it to play assholes should be alignment-shifted to CE.
>>46685996
Warcraft in a nutshell.
>>46684894
Is it just me or was it adding in a neutral option that fucked it all up? I mean how can actually be neither good nor evil, it's impossible, even those gotta keep the balance people are still fundamentally good because they view keeping the balance as a good thing, hence why they do it. It's like someone being just an "agnostic", either you believe or you don't it's not a multiple choice question.
>>46686675
No. Wrestling all day every day. Forever. Now give me Patreon shekels, goy.
>>46682074
>chaotic neutral
this always bothered me when i played dnd
i usually dm not caring about alignment unless its important like if a class has a power or not
alignments alwas felt kinda constricting because it means this person is always slotted into a box, like the Chaotic Evil bandit cant have something care for because it goes agenst his nature, that seems silly to me, even if he is a bloodthrusty murderer most of the time
i dunno
>>46686685
This. Oh God this!
>>46686687
>they view keeping the balance as a good thing
It doesn't matter what they think. The alignment chart assumes morality is objective. You don't decide if what you're doing is moral, the universe does.
>>46682489
Most people should be TN anyway.
>>46684541
Evil people often have their own codes of ethics or think they are doing the right thing.
>>46685529
That is absurd, being good does not require you to forgive people who hurt or transgress against you. Or to completely disregard self preservation.
>>46686687
Because 'good' and 'evil' are strong positions. Most people don't mess with other people but don't go out of their way to help people all the time, don't commit real crimes but ignore small/dumb laws all the time. Normal people are usually true neutral the way DnD has it.
>>46682727
>law fags exist in real life
This is a source of constant frustration.
>>46686687
Its just you.
Most people, most opinions, most decisions fall into the "neutral" category. This goes for real life and for fiction.
>>46682074
This is how I chaotic neutral
What is tha best alingment chart you have seen tg ?
I would love to play Berg-Katze, but I'd have to be CE, and even though I'm sure I could do it well, everyone would expect me to be that guy.
Good: will try to avoid harming others, if possible
Evil: will try to harm others
Lawful: has many principles
Chaotic: has few principles
That's how I tend to interpret it. So CN is a regular prick who'll generally try to solve his problems in the easiest way he can come up and get away with. Is okay?
>>46687104
>Corrupted Evil
So, Good?
>>46687218
Since when are fanatics good ?
>>46687451
Gandhi, Jesus and Buddha were fanatics. Really it just depends on what ideas you're fanatic about..
Lawful vs chaotic is "Respects authority and obeys laws whether they like them or not" vs "does not respect authority and does not obey laws they don't like"
Good vs Evil is "Altruism, benevolence, and respect for the rights and life of others" vs "selfishness, malevolence, and a disrespect for the rights or lives of others"
So chaotic neutral is a person who recognises no authority save their own, obeys no laws except those they want to, and while not actively willing to do blatantly evil things, will probably do morally wrong things for personal gain, and probably won't work to prevent evil without some sort of personal incentive.
Chaotic 'should' be the alignment of most true liberals or anarchists. That is to say, they believe in personal freedom and liberty. Many of these people also believe in inherently 'good' ideas, but they don't actively work towards those goals so they would be classified as 'neutral' rather than 'good'. (How many people, including liberal or Anarchists, or anyone really, does charity work, joins the police to fight crime, or does anything that might put them in the same vain as the great philanthropists?).
In Roleplaying games, however, Chaotic Neutral is usually the alignment chosen by people who want to dick around without consequence.
>"Of course I just stole from the charity box at the church, I'm chaotic neutral!"
They don't want their character to be Chaotic Good, because that means they're not supposed to act like a dick. And they don't want to play Chaotic Evil, because they don't think of their actions of being evil. These people interpret 'chaotic' as 'lolrandom', and they think 'neutral' means "don't care about anyone except myself', where a better interpretation is "believes in personal liberty, and is mostly a decent person but is not willing to risk life and limb for others without an expectation of personal gain".
>>46687656
>the alignment chosen by people who want to dick around without consequence.
That's the bit that I don't get. It's not like "I am neutral" is a particularly solid defense, once they get caught stealing.
>>46687953
I think it's because they assume the GM will treat them based on their alignment. So if the Lawful Good paladin does something chaotic and evil, the gm will call him out immediately by dropping some consequences on him. Whereas the Chaotic neutral player believes the GM will just think "well, he's chaotic neutral" and won't bring any real consequences because "that's what chaotic neutral people do".
It doesn't make sense when you think about it, but most people who play Chaotic Neutral types often tend to be the sort of person who treats RPG's as an excuse to vicariously live out their destructive and uninhibited fantasies, rather than a co-operative game or exercise in character.
>>46682074
>Chaotic Neutral
is the alignment of mental illness
>>46684338
Really? I thought it was student using wikipedia to shit out an essay or something.
>>46684697
Nigger what are you smoking, laws are not subjective. What the law should be is subjective, but that's just going back into ethics.
>>46688061
>most people who play Chaotic Neutral types often tend to be the sort of person who treats RPG's as an excuse to vicariously live out their destructive and uninhibited fantasies, rather than a co-operative game or exercise in character.
It's an exercise in character, just a destructive and uninhibited one. I don't disagree with the rest.
>>46684066
What do you think about All-CE party?it's a bunch of angry ("Fuck humanity"-tier angry) demons
I just play chaotic neutral as an asshole mercenary who sometimes does things that are morally reprehensible for the sake of self interest, but not so self interested that he'll let blatant evil go down.
Basically vidya Geralt if you roleplay him as more of an asshole.
Am I the only one who doesnt get spoony hate? Yeah he doesnt produce as much content anymore, but its basically free entertainment. Plus, being a wrestling/tabletop vlogger might not have been the best ending for spoony, but would have rather he overstayed his welcome and kept churning out videos he didnt want to make just to rake in views? I mean, thats what lead to his initial "downfall" once TGWTG got their claws into him.
Point is, Id rather have a decent counter monkey released ever six months because spoony wanted to make it than a TGWTG-style forced video every week to appease his fanbase.
The only good Chaotic Neutral character is John Wick
>>46688061
>"that's what chaotic neutral people do"
Thats the problem. Half of the time when people are describing shit CN characters theyre talking about CE-lite. Chaotic anything is an invitation to be an asshole, but neutral assholes dont go around selling out their friends to demons or robbing charity plates and shit. The problem is this idea that neutral = 50/50 good and evil. All you have to do to put an end to 90% of these shennanigans is put your foot down on the difference between neutral and evil.
>>46684455
I had a super minmaxed diplomancer who was both nice and evil. Best way to describe it, he was nice to the people who mattered. Threw great parties, laughed and even gave gifts... Some of the gifts were slaves and recommendations for hit men.
>>46682074
Isn't alignment supposed to be how the majority of people interpret their actions?
Everyone thinks they're in the right in regards to themselves
>>46686900
>That is absurd, being good does not require you to forgive people who hurt or transgress against you. Or to completely disregard self preservation.
calm it, this is why alignments are always so debated.
It's a general idea of how you might expect them to act.
It's never law. Individuals are never so distinct at any one time as to constantly fit into a single alignment.
Shit I'm fucking chaotic evil simply because I only slept 3 hours and haven't had my coffee yet.
Talk to me well slept and well fed and I'm going to have a different set of values.
>>46682727
>Lawful Good
>Best
Nice try YHVH
>>46686686
Warcraft's plot is so hamfisted and juvenile.
It's shitty knockoff race appearances and lore are the flaws personified.
Anyone who thinks it's good must have a shitty reference level.
>>46683130
This is the most accurate way to play most of the time.
>>46684143
>>46684093
I feel bad for anyone who thinks that guy was CN.
>>46684894
>I thought that was Neutral Evil. Whatever, alignment is stupid and should have been shitcanned decades ago.
/thread
>>46688265
>laws are not subjective
Depends on the law.
Depends on who's deciding whether you broke it or not.
>using D&D alignement to define character
i think you should write down 4-5 lines about your PC psychology and values and then roleplay based on that.
those 2 letters should be a final label put on by GM that influence only some cleric spells.
>>46688800
If not Chaotic Neutral, then what?
It fits the best.
He's not Good, he's not Evil, he's sure as shit not Lawful. CN is pretty obviously his alignment. Like not even in a "this is the best fit" kinda way, that character is CN to a fucking T.
The only person who gets as annoying as the chatoic neutral PC is the lawful good PC.
People tend to forget the lawful part and ahould probably be playing true good or chaotic good.
I'd take lawful stupid over chaotic neutral though
>>46682386
What about mercenaries loyal only to themselves and the coin ? Yeah, they have to "sign" a contract and be employed but does Chaotic really make them erratic ?
>>46688738
I find warcraft lore to be best enjoyed similar to how one would watch a car crash about to happen between the two worse people you've even known. It's going to be pure destruction, but both of the drivers deserve it entirely.
>>46685480
>>46685688
Original anon here.
I've got a simple solution. I don't play shitty games. That's the best way to avoid such issues.
One of the best way to see if game is badly designed is checking if there is actual crunch related to alignment. If so - that's shit game and there is no reason to even touch it.
>>46682074
Fuck off, Spoony.
>>46689830
He's a con man being enabled my losers with looser wallets than their sense. Several months without content at a time and not a single aplogy or sign of improvement.
>but mental illness
But actually filling your obligations to your audience, or what's left of it.
>>46688689
He's Lawful Neutral
>>46684003
I am bothered by the way he twirls his glasses using the inside of the lens.
If there is no lens, why does he wear them?
>>46686665
It does mean that they're likable enough to gain supporters and followers.
>>46692248
Because artistes wear glasses.
>>46682074
>Chaotic Neutrals
likes to eat ice cream every day.
Alignments are fucking stupid as a whole, a much better system is asking the players to write down a few goals their characters have (I generally as for one long term, two short term), what they stand for (justice, personal freedom, etc), and their personality (how they treat people they've just met, their friends, etc).
It gives a good overview of a character without pigeonholing them into one of nine arbitrary categories based off if they can be a paladin, monk, or barbarian.
Spoony!
>>46688065
>Neutral
Is more interested in himself than others, but doesn't go out of his way to cause harm.
>Chaotic
Disrespects laws and norms, cares more about personal freedom than an ordered society.
>>46682074
>Is Chaotic Neutral the cop out alignment?
Fuck him. Fuck you all.
>>46682727
What's wrong with Lawful Neutral?
>>46693356
Chaotic Neutral aligned person detected.
>>46693821
>Chaotic Neutral aligned person detected.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>46682074
I'm playing a Death cleric who is CN because my gm won't let me play her CG, is that good enough of an excuse?
Imagine if alignments were never a part of D&D
>>46682074
So gather that the person in this image is called spoony and he reviews ttrpgs. Why would want that?
>>46694720
He's also That Guy/DM.
>>46694720
Ugh, really fucked up that post. *I gather *who would want that
>>46695469
How is he 'That DM'?
Playing bad guys as smart but also trying to make sure PC's do not fight things they cannot handle is good.
>>46696185
He fiated that one of the PCs died when they wouldn't stand down, with no saves, nothing. It's not like the guy was a frequent derailer or anything either.
>>46682727
>why subjective alignments are shit: the image
>>46682074
Alignment system is a cop out.
>>46696890
You're a cop out!
>>46697493
A character with your alignment wouldn't say that. -1 alignment point.
>>46697617
I'm Chaotic Neutral so I can be randumb ;^)
>>46697617
>>46682998
Ironically, House was CN as fuck.
>>46697629
Yeah, but that wasn't random at all. I saw it coming a mile away. Also, off-character comment, -1 Roleplaying point.
>>46682074
It's the alignment for not giving a fuck and keeping your head cool in all situations.
