You'll find it if you're looking for it edition.
This thread is for people who enjoy the modern format.
>>46608952
Where do I go if I dislike the modern format
>>46608969
Here
>>46608969
You could make your own thread about what you think is wrong with Modern, or if you want to have civil discussion that involves more than "fuck modern XDDDD" Then you can talk about it here
What is the best deck to take advantage of Ancestral Visions? If esper guy Is around, could you weigh in on whether or not esper control might consider it?
Anyone think it might be good in taking turns? I've seen discussion over replacing howling mine with it.
>>46610010
the guy who writes the mtgsalvation primer for esper plays at my shop, and while he's actually unbearable, I figure he knows the deck. he doesn't seem to think it's a good fit. I know because he never shuts up about his shitty deck.
>>46609102
Legacy Thread General!? Are you saying I belong at Legacy Thread General?
>>46608969
Make a legacy general and shitpost about Dredge players. Guaranteed-replies.jpg
>>46610090
Uh, oh no, sorry. I was actually pointing to the place next to it.
>>46601767
>>46610010
No decks really benefit enough from it. "Draw 3 in four turns" is almost always inferior to "Draw 1, Scry 2" at the same cost.
>>46608952
I don't enjoy the format and only like to talk smug about decks I don't play or play against and occasionally shitpost how dead and bad modern is.
Can I still be in this thread?
>>46610010
UWr control can benefit cuz they tend to get out of answers sooner than Esper and play more of tempo than esper
>>46610321
>occasionally shitpost how dead and bad modern is.
This is unacceptable behavior.
>>46610185
So... Pauper?
>>46610306
Don't you think that might be putting two different cards in the same catagory? For example, serum visions is draw filtering whereas AV is raw card advantage. The two are used to different ends. Additionally, many people here seem to dismiss AV due to its suspend timer but it it would seem to me that the timer argument is mostly only relevant when it's drawn late game. Do you think that is enough to dismiss the card?
>>46610394
I absolutely do believe the 4-turn timer is enough to dismiss the card over immediate advantage. Turn 1 Serum Visions replaces itself and helps set your turn 2/3 draws. You can suspend AV turn 1 and not even live to see turn 5.
>>46610470
this exactly. as an infect shitter, the thing I'm most excited about for the new format is killing people with a suspend timer or two still on their first turn AV.
>>46610010
I hope loads of people try to force it so I can play absolute trash in sideboard for funtimes.
>>46610010
I don't think it's right for "classic" draw-go, but I still haven't tested out a Teachings build based on Wafo's extended deck yet.
Something like this:
Card Draw: 11
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Esper Charm
3 Mystical Teachings
Counterspells: 12
4 Spell Snare
4 Rune Snag
4 Cryptic Command
Removal: 8
3 Engineered Explosives
1 Path to Exile
1 Dismember
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Consume the Meek
1 Fated Retribution
Toolbox/Wincon: 3
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Linvala, the Preserver
Lands: 26
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Watery Grave
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Godless Shrine
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Drowned Catacomb
3 Tectonic Edge
Sideboard: 15
3 Thoughtseize
2 Disfigure
1 Extirpate
1 Celestial Purge
1 Disenchant
1 Pulse of the Fields
3 Wrath of God
1 Overwhelming Denial
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Aetherling
>>46610470
Card that replace themselves are not Card Advantage.
The most card advantaga like that is think twice and is just cuz flashback
>>46610836
I think he knows that and is simply valuing a smaller effect with immediate results over a larger effect with a significant delay.
>>46610794
EE is sideboard
In removal i would go 4 PtE 4 bolt
Remove 1 spell snare and change the rune snag for a Remand/logic knot combination
At least do space for another snapcaster
If you are splashing black you could go with murderous cut
and add electrolyze in the sideboard for infect and overload for the mirrors
>>46610874
As the major problem is that You need to go long against aggro, i still think UWr is the best shell for AV, it has enough removal for Infect and affinity counting path to exile, bolt and electrolyze
>>46610658
The AV unban makes me want to play Eldrazi even though it's degenerate to high heaven.
Holy shit I hope all Modern players get rounded up and shot some day. That's all their filthy kind deserves for giving the Magic community such a bad name. No one's going to miss these retards playing their meme format anyway
>>46610988
You sound like a real emissary for magic.
>>46610987
Is it still degenerate without Eye though? I was just going to cram that dude into Jund as anti-AV tech, not into the dedicated Eldrazi deck.
If WotC are adamant about their Standard and Limited design and therefore can't print cards in Standard to help Modern, why don't they use Modern Masters to introduce new cards?
>>46612005
>Modern masters is a product designed to bring a nice limited experince
Even limited ruins modern masters
>>46612146
to be fair, mm draft was hella fun
>>46612005
modern is by definition not an eternal format, so all cards in modern must go through standard. I'm not saying that's a good policy, but it is the policy.
>>46610658
Am I the only person to think that wasteland strangler is actually a pretty sweet card? I thought processor eldrazi was really cool deck.
>>46610988
>That's all their filthy kind deserves for giving the Magic community such a bad name.
You sure it's just not your kind that gives the magic community a bad name?
>Holy shit I hope all Modern players get rounded up and shot some day.
>No one's going to miss these retards playing their meme format anyway
Because I'm pretty sure it's you.
If you play memedern you're pretty much an unnecessary human being.
>>46612005
Because extended doesnt mean eternal. If you want counterspell and cant afford dual lands pray that people start playing eternal or that eternal becomes a thing that people remember.
I wanna get into modern. I have played legacy for the past 9 years. How many people play lantern control/pixy stix? Is it any good.
>>46612669
Depens on your meta m8, unless you want to get into high level tourneys. If people at your LGS caught the train early, there might be a couple of Lantern players. How good it is depens a lot on the player in question.
Which deck(s) do you play in Legacy? U/B reanimator hereand dredge
Somewhat related question in general, which Modern deck would be closest to the Legacy experience?
>>46612857
No decks in modern are even remotely close. The only thing that kind of maybe is lantern control which resembles miracles.
I thought you played legacy though, in which case why ask?
I play high tide and lands.
>>46612316
Do you enjoyed your mythic comet storm?
Is now the time to trade in my Visions? There's pretty much no chance it goes up even further right?
>>46612923
I went 4-0 with it because that card is busted as all fuck in draft
>>46612857
I guess Grishoalbrand is somewhat similiar
When will they unban summer bloom? It was one of the most fun decks I've ever played in modern, and had no real analog in other formats.
>>46613070
well and burn is just.... burn....
>>46613126
Never. Violates the turn 4 rule.
>>46613126
you can play it in legacy. Its not going to be good, but you can.
>>46613126
pick up ANT or TES in legacy. similarly complicated lines of play, explosiveness paired with resiliency, and dank payoffs. Most fun I've had since bloom got the axe.
>>46613189
you really just can't play it in legacy. wasteland is a card.
>>46613240
as I said. You can, but its not going to be good.
>play turn 3 emrakul vs shitty rouge tribal
>guy autism's all over the place
>he's the one who wanted a 'serious' game
I love goryo's vengeance
>>46613216
I already play ANT in legacy, bro. I guess I jsut want modern to be legacy lite. because what I enjoyed most about modern is the fact that these degenerate decks that couldn't be viable in legacy could be viable there.
>>46613189
Amulet is unplayable in legacy. Yes you can technically build it and bring it to a legacy event, but you're not going to be playing.
>>46612857
>Somewhat related question in general, which Modern deck would be closest to the Legacy experience?
Before Seething Song was banned, Ritual Gifts was really silly overpowered when it worked.
>>46613343
do you think it combos with gitgud toad?
with drakmor salvage or a ggt it''s basically griselbrand without the life loss
>>46613343
>rogue deck
>without Faerie Macabre
Literally retarded, your opponent was.
>>46613554
It could be a nice combo in some value deck or dredge, but I don't think I want it in reanimator or grishoalbrand.
>>46612380
>Am I the only person to think that wasteland strangler is actually a pretty sweet card? I thought processor eldrazi was really cool deck.
You're not, I was in the process of buying the deck because I really liked how it got played.
The sad thing is that Mono-B Processor Eldrazi was a really fun deck to play and also powerful, but OGW ruined it with Mimic/TKS/Reality Smasher. If OGW was never released, I think that the Eye of Ugin would still be around.
>>46613343
You can't goryo's an emrakul. The best you can do is through the breach it.
>>46614310
I invite you to RTFC.
>>46614310
you actually can cause goryo's is instant with emrakul's trigger on the stack cast vegence and ta-dah!.
I enjoy shitbrewsand losing
>>46614440
What do you do against Ad Nauseam? Or Tron? Or Elves? Or Wrath?
>>46614489
Cast fog every turn and thencast sphinx's rev for 15.
>>46612910
Just curious about other's opinions. I kinda felt pre-ban Eldrazi came close to MUD.
Too bad DnT plays too different in modern, otherwise I'd probably vote for that in terms of similarity.
High Tide is awesome, though, although I've only ever played against shitters piloting it. It's suffering to lose to High Tide, but it's hell to lose to a HT player who doesn't know how to pilot the deck.
>>46614310
ffs /tg/
>>46610380
Does that link look like it goes to Pauper General to you?
>>46614626
Its not that hard....
Should I trade a Promo Nicol Bolas for a Xenagos+Ashiok?
Vexing Shusher or Exquisite Firecraft? I need a sideboard slot against all the control decks rearing their ugly head. Im leaning towards Shusher, pile spells in your hand and lands on the field as they durdle and then on the winning turn drop Shusher who cant be countered and if they try to respond with removal just respond with Instants who cant be countered if you pay the extra mana.
>>46615365
firecraft all the way
>>46615365
I never found "can't be countered effects" that necessary. You can easily play around them. But I like firecraft more.
>>46615039
Ashiok is like 6$ tho
>>46615537
Oh damn.
Should I get the Ashiok for a Ingest/Processor deck then?
>>46612857
I'm currently building reanimated. I bought a bug chunk of cards last night. After they get here I'll just need 4x show and tell and 2x JVP to finish it.using shocks instead of duals because poorfag though.
>>46615507
>>46615462
Firecraft it is then. Its cheaper too. Either one will help against the ridiculous onslaught of counters
>>46615553
Ashiok would probably go very nicely with some of the UB processors
i've actually been meaning to pick up a few myself for shitbrew purposes
>>46615572
Honestly fast combo decks are the ones who suffer the least from subbing out duals for shocks. Decks that really get hurt from shocks are Miracles, Stoneblade, Shardless BUG, Delver decks and Maverick
>>46615572
+attachment
>>46615609
I feel like they hurt reanimator because of griselbrand's life total requurement. Fetch shock reanimate draw 7 puts you to 2 life. That's a bolt/delver swing/DRS activation away from dead. If you don't have to shock they puts you at 4 and you can survive any of those.
I mean, I haven't actually played much legacy yet but I feel like having shocks will make my deck inherently weaker in some games where the life total actually matters
>>46615365
What exactly are you playing?
>>46608952
Does this have any potential?, Its uncounterable and can be a copy of your opponent's wincon but bigger. Its also a total midgame blowout with a few mana dorks.
>>46615967
It's usually better to deprive your opponent of their wincon rather than copy it. Aslo you might have a diffecult time copying griselbrand or karn and it's practically useless against an aggro deck with lots of little guys.
>>46615701
Main Engineered Explosives?
Not a fan of JVP myself, but I see him popping up every now and then. He just feels soooo sloooow.
>>46616081
Not him but EE takes care of Chalice so it's reasonable to mainboard in any combo deck that can tutor for it (painter), don't know about reanimator though.
>>46616081
I've seen JVP do some neat things in the games I've watched. The list I'm following actually had 2 EE main 1 side, but I'm going to compromise with 1 main 1 side. It is a nice utility card. I'll adjust my list to my preferences after I get it together and get to play test it a bit.
>>46615967
maybe if it was hexproof and stompy creatures with vigilance were a significant part of the meta. modern removal too strong
>>46615967
I think it's too weak to path to exile, as well as too situational given how many decks run only smallish creatures or even few to none creatures
>>46614489
sideboard 4 revoke existence for tron, 4 sunlances for creature stuff
>>46615365
Vexing shusher is for edh or maybe some weird vintage deck with tons of Green mana
In modern you can't afford to dedicate cards and mana just to stopping counterspells, they aren't common enough
Exquisite firecraft actually does a thing for the mana and card you spend so it can help against control WHILE contributing to your main strategy (I assume burn)
>>46610658
You're a sick man.I love it
>>46615967
I would have prefered if that card had Flash instead of the +X/X, if my opponent has his wincon out I'd rather have a way to deal with it than being able to copy it, specially since this copy won't have haste.
>>46616346
I mostly play with my casual group and draft at my LGS and I'm slowly getting into Modern and other formats, how is "too weak to path to exile" an argument against a creature card? Does a creature really lose value for being vulnerable to removable when most creatures are? Or is that just another way of saying it doesn't cover its cost with an ETB effect before it gets removed?
>>46612857
Absolutelly disgusting chineese Elesh Norn with all these jap cards
>>46616781
I know, fucking cardmarket man. I got a nice refund though, so I'll probably sell it someday again and try again.
At least it's not as bad as the graveborn guy above.
>>46615365
In Modern no deck absolutely requires resolving a non-instant/sorcery spell (which Boseiju would cover) like Painter in Legacy. If you're playing a pile that isn't either Jund/Tron which should outgrind every control deck or chord combo you can use Thrun, the Last Troll as a beatstick (which was actually a thing in Amulet Bloom vs various control lists and Twin).
>>46616781
>>46616819
>not intentionally mismatching cards to tilt turboautists
Turboautists pls it's like u don't even strategy
I've been testing a UW Tutelage Turbofog deck before giving a FNM a try and it does great against anything that wins with creatures. But how can I fight other wincons?
I thought about Invasive Surgery for Scapeshift matches and Dispels for Ad Nauseam and such, any more secret tech you guys can tell me?
Check my modern deck.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/urzas-solitaire/
Should I run an extra tec edge to slow down scapeshift?
>>46617429
>Mindslaver
That's delightfully evil
>>46615826
Burn
So I don't know if this is exclusive to my local meta, or if this is a wider issue, but why do people go out of their way to acquire cards written in foreign (and by foreign I mean asian) languages?
I mean I know people who go to great lengths to acquire these cards over their english counterparts, even though for the most part, they can't read or write the language printed on the card. Is this just because of some eastaboo appeal?
Does this happen everywhere or is it just my local?
>>46617690
It happens here in Spain too, I think it is a way of "pimping" a deck, just like foils, promos and such
>have a Dark Ritual written in an asian language
>chilling at my LGS
>this guy sees it
>"Man, I'll give you anything in my binder for it"
And that's how I got my playset of Bloodghasts
>>46617690
Its a way to pimp out your deck if you don't like foils.
Not sure why making your deck impossible to play against normally is considered cool but whatever floats your boat.
>>46617690
In my LGS people avoid cards in my country's language like the plague (Portuguese) and prefer to have English cards, I on the other hand like to have a large diversity of languages in a deck, I see it as it being the same thing as having 4 of the same card in a deck but having them all be from different sets or have different art style, it's just a way to spice things up and making your deck more appealing.
A few of my friends have asian cards and people don't mind as long as an english translation is shown.
>>46617775
>>46617784
Playing against a deck you don't know full of cards in various languages must be a fucking pain in the ass, now that I think about it.
>>46617690
I only go after different language cards if it's cool as fuck for particular reasons
I picked up a Chinese foil Fiendslayer Paladin because it looks fucking awesome, like a movie poster for a kung-fu movie or something. I also have a foil Japanese Ulamog because Kaiju
>>46617823
God yes. I picked up a bunch of cheap boosters in Japan and a handful of cheap singles. Traded a few to a friend. Now he's running Japanese Venser, and I can never remember the effects since its the only Venser in play this side of the state.
>>46617823
It's not for me since I recognize most cards played in my LGS, most players are new though so they don't, when that happens I have my phone in hand to show them the original card. Most times they just believe me when I tell them what the card does so there isn't any real issue. I can see this becoming an issue in a competetive environment but we're a very nice small community so it's fine.
>>46610046
Esper players are the worst. I constantly beat this guy and he always spends the next 10 minutes explaining how he could've won if X or Y happened.
>>46617980
>he could've won if X or Y happened.
Anyone could say that with any deck. Make sure he knows this.
>>46618029
I could have won the pro tour if literally every single person I played against constantly top decked nothing but lands.
And if I actually went to the qualifying events.
>>46614440
there are shitbrews and then there's this anon
>>46617980
I beat myself up over play mistakes if they cost me a game, but do people actually try to say "If only I drew X or you didn't draw Y..." ?
>>46617968
In a competitive event you could just ask a judge to give you the card text so they can't really screw you like that.
Still annoying and slows the game down a lot since you have to keep googling every card they play.
>>46617861
Now those are some fucking convincing arguments
>>46613126
Bloom titan is still a deck. It's obviously not as good without summer bloom, but the deck can still turn 2 titan.
>>46618029
I try to be nice, but recently I am pretty dismissive of him. I think he thinks he is better than he actually is. For example I killed him with a spellskite and dyrad arbor in my Infect deck. Felt pretty great.
>>46615701
whats the name of the two cards left to force of will?
>>46617980
>how he could've won if X or Y happened
>>46618124
Left in the picture or left in the true orientation?
In the picture the top left card is Daze and ht one below it is Animate Dead
The ones to the true left of the FoW (below them in the image) is Exhume and Reanimate at the bottom.
>>46618077
The way he says it completely ignores my skill that game. Essentially it comes off as "you're a bad player, and would've easily won if I drew/did this." I've vocalized my errors, but get over it pretty quickly, because it's just a game and you come off a huge cry baby.
>>46618180
Clearly I have no skill with grammar. I meant to say is he completely ignores my ability to play the game, and assumes he is the superior player that was just unlucky.
>Guy brags about all his deck can do when it wins
>Jokes about how bad it is when he loses
You're not fooling anyone
>>46617271
>But how can I fight other wincons?
playset of leyline of sanctity m8
>>46617861
>Chinese foil Fiendslayer Paladin
Not chinese, but this came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_31Hy-Md9Tg&nohtml5=False
>>46618169
thank you. how competitive is this deck? compared to other legacy decks everything in it looks relatively cheap but the underground seas.
>>46618212
Teach his ass some humility. Tell him that perhaps the deck he is playing is too hard for him to do well.
>>46618239
>guy spends 10 minutes lecturing you about how your deck takes no skill and you just went 2-0 because of luck
>makes sure all the players in the surrounding tables are hearing him
I love burn so much.
>>46618402
>targeting every card at your opponents face
>skill
where did this meme begin?
>>46618398
That would be savage. He is playing gifts, which is honestly tier 3. I probably won't see him for the rest of the summer so I'm sure I'll forget about the guy.
>>46618239
>>46618402
>play a mindless, skill-free jank deck that lucksacks or dies
>get told it's horribly unfair when I win
>get told it's absolute garbage when I lose
>don't say anything
There's just no winning against public opinion.
>>46618402
>your deck is bad!
>you're just a lucksack!
Tell that to the last 6 FNMs I've swept at 4-0. All of which, by the way, we played against each other and I beat you 2-0 in under 10 minutes.
God I love being a Burn player.
>>46618464
When you got mad at it. I love telling people that I don't even know what their decks do and just count to 20.
>>46618488
>god I hate being the living guildpact
>I want to go around Ravnica reading lesser minds
>why is Lily not answering my calls?
>this scarf is too tight
>>46618503
Dude, do ppl in your lgs not know how to sideboard against burn or do they just copy their shit from the top 8 of the most recent tournament?
So, what's your opinion on altered cards, /tg/? Yay or nay?
>>46612910
>lantern resembles miracles
Nigga what?
>>46618104
Control players are always like this. They like to pretend that theyre good. Then they lose 0-4 and complain about everyone elses deck as they go back to the drawing board.
>>46618360
Its fine, you can reanimate on turn 1 or 2 and unless your opponent has a swords to plowshare you basically win on the spot.
>>46618764
Or a force of will, karakas, wipe away, vapor snag or any of the other million answers to reanimator strategies present in Legacy.
>>46618821
yeah i didn't mention Force because that stops any turn 1 combo, forgot to add it and Karakas too.
Basically its fragile af but you can combo off turn early and you do have your own force of wills so you have some amount of play.
>>46618764
>>46618821
I really dont mind about winning on the spot though, I like a little interaction. this deck looks like a lot of fun to play because it has brainstorm and fow and a bunch of fatties. I might start building it, hopefully Eternal Masters will bring the cost of fow down and we will see an entomb reprint in it
So, with the eldrazi menace defeated and the return of thoptersword, how's Skred in this meta? Should I make some changes?
I'm thinking some more direct artifact hate instead of shatterstorm in my SB but just one or two.
thinking about running an esper mill deck or just u/b mill. Should I maindeck counter spells?
>want to test post bannings
>cockatrice will not stop crashing
whats another way to play online besides cockatrice and mtgo? cock is shit anyway, and this is a good excuse as any to leave.
Since i own a Merfolks Deck, should i build a DnT Deck (sharing both mutas and Vials) or should i save for Living End?
>>46618901
Proxy it and play it to see if you like it before playing it.
>>46619165
XMage
>>46618580
I had a dream of a full art gitaxian probe with a white border to trigger the shit out of people. Still sounds like a cool idea
>>46617497
Thats the whole point of the archetype. Mindslaver+academy ruins to recycle the hoe for an endless lockdown.
>>46619585
A white border gtx with the 8th edition with just U mana cost and the text "You may pay two life instead of paying Gitaxian Probe's mana cost. Look at target player's hand. Draw a card."
I would play it.
The only restrictions of summoning sickness are that the creature can't attack during combat and can't activate tap abilities, correct?
>>46620911
Here is the official rule:
302.6. A creature’s activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can’t be activated unless the creature has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can’t attack unless it has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the “summoning sickness” rule.
Taking this pile to states in two weeks.
It's comfy, low-stress, and can actually beat blue decks. Infect and zooicide are like the only things I've consistently lost to.
>tfw casting fracturing gust g1 vs affinity
>tfw casting slaughter games g1 vs combo
>>46621221
You FL m8? I'm taking Burn and don't know what meta to expect.
>>46621282
Expect an open meta with a bit more UWx/Grixis/Junk/Jund than usual.
>return all non-horror creatures to their owners' hands
>>46621382
you know what else is a horror?currently brewing u/b midrange, wish me luck tg
>>46621424
sekrit T1
>>46621424
> luck
>>46621382
why do people bother making shitty decks around the horror clause instead of putting TitI in a deck that already works?
>>46621590
T1 guide swamp orb
T2 motherfuckin beast
Just got 4 chalice of the void for 120, yee.
>>46621590
nah, if you are playing more horrors you are better playing this
>>46621704
its not a build around, just a nice synergy that opens possibilities
>>46621738
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>>46621424
GLHF getting BBBB online before your asshole gets turned inside out by hyper aggro and BGx
>>46621856
Why?
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>>46621884
Cause no one gives a fuck what you got what for don't show up and talk like any of us give a rats ass how much you paid for what so how about you brag about how much you got a gun and bullets for and put them to good use by ending you meaningless existence seeing as the only thing helpful you contribute to a conversation is literally fucking nothing. So I repeat myself
D I E
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>>46621967
Wew lad
>>46621863
you say that as if b/g rock didnt exist
>>46621998
Wew sad
>>46617745
Jesus Christ, what an idiot, why wouldn't he just fucking ebay one?
BUg tezzerator splashing green for decay, ask me about this deck please, any questions, it's working so great and darn is it fun playing control again.
Land (23)
1x Academy Ruins
1x Breeding Pool
3x Darkslick Shores
2x Darksteel Citadel
2x Island
2x Misty Rainforest
4x Polluted Delta
2x Sunken Ruins
1x Swamp
1x Verdant Catacombs
4x Watery Grave
Instant (16)
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Dismember
4x Mana Leak
2x Remand
4x Thirst for Knowledge
Planeswalker (4)
4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Artifact (12)
1x Batterskull
4x Chalice of the Void
3x Sword of the Meek
4x Thopter Foundry
Sorcery (2)
2x Damnation
Creature (3)
3x Spellskite
>>46622175
Since you're in green why not Glissa the Traitor?
>>46622175
?
>>46622193
Because it's 2 green, and I just run green to stop sideboard stuff and have main deck answers. If I could find more reasons to play green and more spots to move around I could probably find a spot for glissa.
>>46622226
I run main board chalice which I have dropped for 0 to stop enemy visions. I think thirst is better in this deck, and honestly I don't need too much more digging outside tezz and thirst.
I like Tezzeretor type decks, but I like red too. Can Grixis Tezzeretor work?
>>46622175
Add one loam you retard
>>46622565
Why?
>>46622520
What does red add? That's the question.
>>46622605
>gets back academy ruins
>gets back ghost quarter
>lets you keep hitting land drops
enables the combo forever unless they exile gy
>>46622623
Just off the top of my head, Rakdos Charm. Desolate Lighthouse, Volcanic Fallout/Pyroclasm/Anger of the Gods (lots of elves and affinity in my shop), Slaughter Games, Keranos, etc.
>>46622680
Okay, so what's the list look like?
>>46622626
I don't run ghost quarter, maybe I would but tron is bad now, and my mana base is real greedy. I only see that card being good against grind matchups, where my match up is already pretty decent, as control decks really have no way to answer the resolved combo. I don't think there's anything I'd want to cut mainboard, what would you?
>>46622710
Literally making this up as I go along
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Mountain
3 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
3 Watery Grave
3 Steam Vents
2 Blood Crypt
1 Academy Ruins
2 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Desolate Lighthouse
3 Darkslick Shores
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Darksteel Citadel
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Tasigur the Golden Fang
1 Keranos, God of Storms
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Dismember
1 Talisman of Dominance
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Dimir Signet
1 Izzet Signet
3 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Mindslaver
4 Thopter Foundry
3 Sword of the Meek
1 Batterskull
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Volcanic Fallout
Yes, I would mainboard the Fallout, the affinity elves merfolk and ninjabeardelver at my shop is off the wall
>>46622747
3 Spellskite is too many.
1GQ 1Ruins is definitely good, you want to hit your opponents manlands and academy ruins
>>46622805
I don't think 3 spells kites is too many, the great thing about the deck is that I have utility besides him just eating bolts, we can make him a 5/5 and discard him to thirst. Also it makes so many matchups just fantastic, I've never been all that sad to see 2 drawn. Now you say too many, but why is that?
>>46622879
If you're tutoring for skites why have so many? You say you can discard it but I'd rather have a unique card in my deck for a certain situation. Why no MD ee or pithing needle? With tezz you want a sort of toolbox list.
>>46622797
I think drown in sorrow is good enough, and keratosis is not worth diluting your mana base for. I don't know, I don't think red is worth itm
>>46622969
I don't tutor for sites though, not sure what you mean.
>>46622994
I mean you would tutor for skite against bogles or infect or burn right?
>>46622969
There's reasons I don't play needle or ee. For 1, ee on 1 gets countered by chalice on 1, and ee on 2 is just no good cause it kills all my stuff, and I don't want that. Pithing needle is also a 1 drop which I don't want to have in my deck as chalice for 1 is how I just lock out a bunch of games. The deck trades silver bullets for more generic answers and redundancy.
>>46623020
What do you mean tutor? You mean like run a fabricate or a muddle?
>>46623050
I mean play tezz and tic down to put it in to play? Ffs
>>46623068
Oh I was looking at the wrong list mb sorry senpai
>>46623092
Good talk bruh
>>46616781
>+5 to disguise
>tfw Duel Deck GoST playset
Fucking perfect. No regrets selling my original ones for 12 USD and getting new ones for 7 USD.
Wizards should make more reprints like this. Definetely a step in the right direction.
>>46623038
>EE gets stopped by Chalice
lolno
Cast it for X=2 and only spend one color of mana.
This is like EE 101 dude.
>>46622014
Oh, you mean that one build that existed back before Modern was aggro.format, and is virtually strictly worse than newer Jund and Junk builds?
>>46623303
That's actually pretty good, I'm going to play test it, maybe it's worth running, even if I'm only firing it off on 1 and 3.
>>46616623
>how is "too weak to path to exile" an argument against a creature card?
If you get a significant mana disadvantage by getting your creature path'd and you didn't get any value from it, then it's too weak to path to exile.
Will this ever be good again?
>>46623397
It still is.In Legacy.
>>46623428
I'm not finding Eldrazi Aggro to be that good in legacy. If you don't get a CotV working, it gets stomped on by combo and control badly. It has virtually nothing to stop Reanimator.
And there's a Bant deck preying on Eldrazi right now with huge KotR, Oozes, and Goyfs.
>>46623515
>aggro loses to combo
Color me surprised. Also it actually has a bit of a leg up on other aggro decks with chalice and thought knot. It's a good aggro deck, don't even deny it senpai.
>>46618580
I like them incommanderbut I'm cautious about using them in modern tournaments. Just because of any potential weight or bulging/ripples or really anything.
>>46623623
I actually think it's the best aggro deck right now in Legacy. But since Legacy is so blue centered, it desperately needs something to help it out.
I feel the deck would benefit tons if it splashed in White and go a slower route instead of trying to explode all over the place with it's 8 sol lands. With 4 dismembers, ancient tomb, and city of traitors, it just kills itself to like 8 life.
>>46623515
As a storm player, i find Eldrazi aggro to be a very difficult matchup, probably my hardest. COTV or ToA coupled with a fast clock is tough to deal with. If they have a TKS as well, there's no coming back.
>Have LGS near me filled with chill people who play modern once a week, usually 8-10 people
>Mostly tier 2 and 1.5 decks with only like 1 or 2 tier 1 decks
>Eldrazi winter
>LGS stops having modern because one dickhole built eldrazi and auto-won all the tournaments they had so people refused to play.
>Now that theyre banned the LGS is having trouble starting modern up again because everyone still has a bad taste in their mouth and some people disassembled their decks.
I just wanna play my Grixis titi deck without having to go to the try-hard LGS thats 40 minutes away...
>>46623703
If the problem is it losing to combo your life total doesn't matter anyway. It's better to consistently have chalice t1 or t2 than to splash white for what? Swords? Ethersworn canonist and containment priest? The deck doesn't really need any of those to function, chalice and thorn do the same job without a costly splash.
>>46617043
Scapeshift?
>>46623775
go to the try hard store. You'll get better.
>>46623775
>tfw my lgs is filled with really competitive players that go to grand prix and open series events
>tfw one guy built eldrazi
>tfw he gets his shit slapped.
>tfw I haven't seen him again..
>>46623730
I personally hate playing against Death and Taxes and Lands.
>>46623829
Scapeshift kicks ass against blue control because you just ramp hard and win the counter war when you go off. Vexing shusher just turns on all of their removal when you're playing a creatureless deck.
Is ramp viable in modern now after the EoU ban since Eldrazi is slower? Haven't played in a couple of years outside of the occasional draft and cube with the friends.
>>46623943
Yes, tron is still a deck.
Heard UWr Control was good. I know that delver is good in legacy but it doesn't feel fast enough to win in modern. What do I add to cut delver? Would I just add 4 AV or something along the lines of 2 Vendillion Clique and 2 other cards?
1 Arid Mesa
2 Celestial Colonnade
4 Flooded Strand
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Steam Vents
1 Sulfur Falls
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Young Pyromancer
3 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
3 Remand
2 Spell Snare
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Serum Visions
>>46624175
If you cut Delver from that deck and added Geist of Saint Traft instead you would basically be playing UWR Midrange, which is better than Delver in Modern.
An optimal Midrange list would look a lot different though. More lands, no Probes, no YP, bigger creatures like Resto Angel and Pia and Kiran or Stormbreath Dragon. Maybe a Cryptic or two.
>>46624175
What this anon said
>>46624243
There's a fuckton of removal in modern right now, Geist is more reliable because it has hexproof.
>>46624243
>>46624300
You guys would recommend just changing over to UWr midrange? Isn't the control variety strictly better?
>>46624324
I think UWR Control (which is even more different than the list you posted than UWR Midrange) is a bit better, but they're very similar, and you can't go wrong with either.
Control benefits more from AV, so that might be the way to go now though.
>>46623968
What does Tron usually ramp into besides Eldrazi gods?
>>46624453
Ugin, Karn, that 8 mana wurm that kills lands.
>>46617271
i feel like angel's grace better against ad nauseam than dispel
possibly better against scapeshift too.
like anon said, leyline of sanctity is a good general answer
>>46624490
What's the Wurm's name?
>>46624631
It's not a wurm I'm an idiot. It's Sundering Titan.
>>46608952
Been building this deck for a while, but been playing around with it since SOI release.
Old build used to be:
+ Eternal Witness x 1
+ Young Pyromancer x 2
+ Raven's Crime x 1
+ Terminate x 1
+ Liliana of the Veil x 1
- Relentless Dead x 2
- Gravecrawlers x 4
Also thinking about Gitrog Monster, Mindwrack Demon and Pack Guardian. I really like the idea of Pack Guardian.
I do not have Tarmogoyf.
25 Lands total, the lands not shown are Shocks, Fetches and Fast Lands.
>>46625072
Really not sure about my Gravecrawler/Relentless Dead idea. But Pack Guardian is so slow.
Young Pyromancer was always good in this, but I just want to experiment. Been playing Loam for a long time. Still love it for some reason.
>>46619730
Thag would be such a delicious fucking altered right there
Would RGW Tron be viable to any extent? Like splashing in some white for mass removal and a few creatures?
>>46623829
>>46623864
This and it's a Sorcery so if you're terribad just run a Boseiju.
>>46625323
3 colors in a running running 12 colorless lands? Sure thing.
>>46625530
3 colors in a running*
>>46625546
Deck*
ffs I need to stop posting.
>>46625323
Nah, but some people tried replacing red with white for path to exile and Ghostly Prison and sideboard options like Timely Reinforcements and Sacred Ground.
>>46625554
>>46625568
Would RGW ramp be viable without a Tron engine? Or is Tron really the only viable way to ramp?
>>46625616
Some memesters have tried a monogreen one, look up Tooth and Nail.
>>46625627
Shit, was wanting to do a Naya ramp build since it's my favorite color combo. Also I thought TaN was banned?
>>46625655
there was some memeing about a wall-genesis wave build last week. you could do naya colors for that,
>>46618343
Why does Seto Kaiba have a katana
>>46625655
It's not, the banlist can be found on the website.
>Build shitbrew
>Test against my other Modern deck, Scapeshift
>Actually does well, but a few changes needed to be made
>Playtest against friends Affinity after making a few changes
>Goes even with him, forces boardstalls that vastly favor my shitbrew
>Based on that experience, make a few more changes
Every game I played made me realizeRelentless Deadreally wasn't for this deck and thatLotleth Trollis a fucking all-star, pretty sure someone's getting cut for a second veilborn ghoul. Wish I had more people to play against, I want to see how much stupid shit I can get away withCreatures (21)
4 Gravecrawler
4 Lotleth Troll
1 Relentless Dead
3 Geralf's Messenger
1 Golgari Brownscale
1 Nantuko Husk
2 Shambling Remains
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Golgari Grave-Troll
1 Veilborn Ghoul
2 Vengeful Pharaoh
Spells (17)
2 Darkblast
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Golgari Charm
4 Life from the Loam
1 Ray of Revelation
4 Zombie Infestation
1 Murderous Cut
Lands (22)
3 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Overgrown Tomb
1 Swamp
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Temple Garden
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard (15)
1 Darkblast
1 Raven's Crime
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Golgari Charm
2 Rakdos Charm
2 Ray of Revelation
2 Gnaw to the Bone
2 Golgari Brownscale
>>46625896
>spoilers
>didnt read
>into the trash with your shitbrew
>Memedern
just die already
>be a modern competitive player
>never played competitive in my life
>new meme deck arises with perviously banned cards
>pay inflated amounts for spike cards because speculators bought them all in 3 minutes of the unbanning announcement
>suckle at the teat if jewzards once again demanding their salty wizard juice to squirt into my throat
>go 1-2 at fnm with my new meme deck
>should have swallowed more wizard cum
>cry myself to sleep and wish i had the social aptitude to play standard with everyone else
>>46621738
I remember when I got 4 foil Mirrodin Chalice of the Void for $30. Good times
>>46618594
not him but I guess anon is referring to that miracles counter top to control the game with top of library card and lantern kinda controls the top card of both players deck.
It is a stretch tho.
>>46619730
just slapped on some random symbol for lack of 8th but i think it looks nice
>>46618877
Reanimator is anything but fragile, son. Grave hate keeps it in check, but it's still one of the best decks in legacy atm.
>>46626401
I'd play it.
this is an amazing card but am i a bad person for also wanting it to cantrip and be one of the most solid answers in the format?
ive been considering a BW tokens in modern with westveil abby, but i dont want orhmendal to get pathed or something,
>>46617690
I mean... Having a foil card in Hebrew that only gets value after its in the graveyard is funny... Pic related. Glory.
>>46618402
>>46618503
If you guys really are doing this great with burn, can I get some advice?
I'm playing naya burn and I have not been able to go above 2-2 as of late, even going 0-4 at my most recent modern event.
Obviously burn puts up good results at tournaments and it is pretty easy to pilot, so I don't understand what i'm doing wrong?
Recently I've been playing the nacatl version but i've opted to take it out in favor of more spells considering I haven't been doing well lately.
Can you guys post your lists and give some general advice? I would really like to stick to my burn deck because i love the deck, but I want to actually win consistently as well...
>>46626472
>be one of the most solid answers in the format?
I don't think Modern is known for blue instants.
>>46627872
I used to play burn, but have since switched to affinity.
> I don't understand what i'm doing wrong
You have yet to tell us anything we can correct outside of the fact that you haven't been doing well in modern events. You need to elaborate more on your situation.
>>46623851
This. I don't get why everyone started crying I never had a problem with Eldrazi. If anything I liked seeing tron get hit mostly because it's so fucking boring to play against.
