>The only guy in the group. All the others are women.
>In addition I am the youngest.
Although all are nice and friendly, but I feel still somehow uncomfortable.
Okay. And?
>>46543811
I'm in the same situation, everyone is LGBT and I'm the only one still in the closet.
Roll a bard who acts as the group's pimp
>don't get weird
>play the game
>use a coaster
>bring snacks every couple games
What's the worst that could happen?
>>46543811
I know. Its like they think you don't deserve to feel each and every one of them wrapped around your dick.
Know that feel, I'm in the same situation. It's not too bad in my experience, apart from their choice in games. Also they expect me to take sides and resolve conflicts.
>>46543811
>tfw the only time you were surrounded by a group of girls is when you got into a fistfight with them because they wouldn't fuck off
Now that was an interesting night.
>>46543811
I like the projection going on in this thread, it would make freud blush
How do you even get into a group like that OP?
any of em hot
>>46543947
We demand a story
Good blogpost.
>>46544029
Hear hear!
>>46544058
At least it wasn't frogpost.
>>46543841
Are you sure you're not OP?
>>46544110
Well, I mean, he's also a faggot, and OP is near universally a faggot, but not every faggot is universally OP.
I came into this thread for some /ss/, not you faggots being stupid
>>46543811
welcome to being in a situation where you're a minority, some people feel this way 24/7
>>46544029
At a birthday party at a bar, bunch of drunk chicks making fun of my maximum overgay friend, I stepped in and they started hitting me and slapping me, after the sixth time (and telling them to fuck off before I hit back) I cold clocked one of them and the rest went nuts, so there was a fistfight including me, four women, and my incredibly gay friend while the other guys and girls looked on gawking because they didn't know what to do.
Not an impressive story.
>>46543870
>Also they expect me to take sides and resolve conflicts.
Literally do not do this.
t. woman
>>46544184
Such as men :^)
>>46544206
Are you a member of Anon's group?
>>46544240
No. I'm a member of no such group. I'm here for the Warhammer 40k.
>>46543853
>use a coaster
This rule applies to more than just the game. Shame, many people dont use them.
>>46543968
I was looking for a group. And I came across this group.
A woman is very attractive. The other look average.
>>46544184
I always feel uncomfortable around people, so their status as a majority doesn't really mean much, regardless.
>>46544256
Are you tyranid girl?
>>46544206
>Women try to get person to take sides and resolve conflicts
>Woman then says to not do it
Which one is it, huh?!?!?!?!??
>>46546442
>ara~
>ara~
>>46549440
>Hey boy, wanna /tg/?
>>46549440
>>46549836
>You will never be a young man looking for a group and the only one you're able to find consists of older, MILFy women who's games often veer into magical realm and /ss/ territory
>>46543843
Seconding this.
>>46549842
Its a true struggle anon
>>46548212
Depends on the women and your relationship with them.
>>46543811
Reverse rape thread?
>>46543855
ohhhhhh you have no idea.
>>46550413
Neither do I, so anon should make sure to report his findings back to us in order to further our understanding and advance the Quest for Knowledge.
>>46550404It's not rape if she's gentle
>>46550531
>She
>Implying it'd be only one
>>46543811
Time for /ss/ with your onee-chans. Or not if you want to actually keep this group from fracturing into a trillion splinters of hate and whining you could suck it up, and actually play the game with your group. There's no problems other than you feeling weird right?
>>46550448
It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I've played with girls before, and usually somesort of drama crops up in some form or another. Idk, if the ladies in question are older (35+) things *might* be alright, but even then, ladies that old who RP are usually still immature or insecure in some very large way I've found (like, moreso than the average dude gamer). Also fucking annoying.
>tfw most of the RPing girls I've played with are often over-opinionated, Newage Wiccan chicks who get pissy whenever the spotlight isn't on them, or when another player who has Abrahamic beliefs joins the group, while likewise trying to crowbar Women's issues into said game and fawning over any player who holds Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Taoist or any other 'exotic' beliefs.
I mean, OP might get lucky and they could all be awesome chicks, but I don't think this likely
>>46544190
You know, anon, prejudiced against gays I might be, but that was very admirable of you to step in and help your buddy.
>>46550937
>prejudiced against gays I might be
I don't really have a problem with gay people as long as they aren't faggots about it.
>>46550710
I've heard stories of college students who have had some pretty excellent games playing alongside their female professors, so it's not impossible.
Ultimately, it always comes down to the individual and the attitude of the group or peers.
>>46551015
I was in a game with my bio professor, it was pretty fun if a bit unprofessional at times since she was nice to me to the point of inappropriateness.
>>46550971
Same.
That's really what it comes down to about 90% of the time, be it gays, immigrants, furries, Jews, SJWs, or /pol/acks. People don't have a problem with YOU, they have a problem with how you won't shut up about one fucking issue.
Peole need to quit turning beliefs and causes into primary personality traits.
>>46551251
That's also the issue with fandoms as well. The media around which the fandom is centered may be actually very good to just average, but it can cultivate a cancerous fandom that doesn't shut the fuck up.
>>46551015
For OP's sake I hope it goes alright. I've never been this worried for some faggot on the internet before, y'know?
>>46543811
The solution is actually really boring and slightly stressful.
You just pick one to validate/give attention to. The others will reflexively vie for your attention whether they are interested or not.
You're not allowed to become involved with or even have a platonic friendship with any of them or it ruins the magic.
Females only care about status politics. It's how they are wired. Literally nothing else happens in their minds. If you're the only male in the room, you are a resource to be exploited to increase or flaunt their status.
>>46551419
He'll be fine, anon.
And if not, he'll have some stories to tell.
>>46543811
Damn, is that little boy going bald? Them some bad genes mang.
>>46551502
I'm glad you think so. I hope he'll have stories to tell, and not have one of those ladies be that kind of crazy that isn't fun. Here's hoping for the best.
btw that picture gave me a sad. anon y u do dis
>>46551530
Have you ever been the only man in an otherwise female office environment?
It's a bit like juggling flaming chainsaws.
>>46551796
Witnessed
>>46543811
At least you got some luck possibly.
>friend says he's got a group thats new to dnd 3.5 cause they were told at the store that was the best edition
>wants me to dm cause they don't entirely know how to
>its all the women from his job at mcdonalds
>youngest is 37 oldest 58
>ranges from fun to intensely awkward as conversation ranges from day to day to "girl talk" about how painful their cramps are like its a dick measuring contest
>friend stops coming after session 3 at 2 sessions per week
>the women won't let me leave cause i'm the only person they know that can actually DM
>shit slowly gets weird when they accept me enough to start overlapping their drinking night with game night
>they discover i have a decent sense of fashion and shit slowly turns into me being judges on outfits and hairstyles
>shits slowly turning less into dnd and more into a social minefield
>a year later and it brightens up my week from time to time but its stressful as shit
>two have decided i'm boyfriend material or something and are trying to set up a 23 NEET with their 16 year old daughters
>pretty sure they're rivals or something as they constantly try to one up each other
>recently invited to a makeup party in a months time where the aforementioned daughters will also be
shits turning scary and slightly illegal. What do.
>>46544190
>Not an impressive story.
It impressed me, buddy.
>>46551606
Considering how many of us have no games but desperately want some, we might as well take a shot in the dark.
Being alone is better than being in bad company, but this is a Schrodinger's box without many of the obvious warning signs like greasy MLP t-shirts, fedoras, and the like, it's an unknown quantity.
If OP chooses to venture forth, he'll be entering into a situation which seems to be an outlier, but fear of the unknown is often worse than the unknown itself. I salute OP if he so chooses to go, awkwardness or strangeness of the group composition aside. He may very well find treasure in those wild spaces outside or normal social circles, the kinds of spaces some social cartographer has marked "Here be Dragons."
>>46551939
Become the anime anon
Don't know where you live but over here 16 is the age of consent.
>>46552088
Technically 16 is the age of consent with parents permission here but we have another law that states relationships at 16 have a hard cap at 20. even if the parents give consent as well any random jackoff can point a finger and i'd get eaten alive in court since in my state its easier to throw me in the SOP than actually deal with court paperwork and the SOP is essentially designed to be a legal, paperwork free black hole.
>>46551939
>dnd 3.5
>women from his job at mcdonalds
>youngest is 37 oldest 58
>friend stops coming after session 3
>a year later its stressful as shit
I think your friend had the right idea.
>>46552510
I knew what he did the second he did that but i love the guy like a brother.
>>46550531
>>46550670
Do I want to ask what /ss/ is?
>>46552928
Straight Shota, shota is the male equivalent of loli. Do I need to explain further?
>>46552330
what a wonderful 'justice' system we have
>>46551939
Fucking run or clam to be gay
>>46543811
>Having a good table top game.
>Playing with women.
pick one anon.
>>46550710
I've only ever encountered one older (as in 35+) Roleplayer woman, and she was a Weeaboo with hideous teeth and a terrible stutter who hogged my attention as a GM and repeatedly told other players to shut up because she wanted to be the center of attention again.
Similarly with most RP girls I know, quite a lot of them are over-opinionated, ugly, land-whale types. The worst offender is the stereotypical tumblr-ina, with the obese body, the mannish haircut dyed neon colours, and the fact that she usually plays the most over-the-top special snowflakes possible. In a fairly large roleplaying club the only people who really liked her were those who were basically exactly like her (social justice types).
There are one or two girls I've played with who are no worse than any of the men. Specifically there's one who's rather excitable but otherwise fine, and one who's a good powergamer, when she's not browsing her laptop that is.
>>46555034
>good powergamer.
meta game more anon.
>>46543853
Probably the best advice you're going to get in this thread.
If one is hot, rub one or two out before the game to keep your mind clear.
>>46555278
By "Good Powergamer" I mean she's really good at building mechanically powerful characters. Don't get me wrong, powergamers still piss me off, but this particular one didn't get on my nerves that much, since she never one-shot powerful enemies, or soloed mobs. Her characters were powerful, but not game-breakingly powerful.
>>46552056
>>46552056
Fuckyouthatwasbeautiful
>>46544184
Fuck off back to tumblr, nigger lover.
>>46543811
Be sure to mastrubate (and clean up) before going to the game.
Then simply act naturally.
If one of the other players is doing something fun then support them like being a druid, turning into a giant eagle and letting your designated archer ride on your back for flyby shootings, or being a bard sports commentator for grappler characters and using healing word on them or vicious mockery on their target etc.
>>46551939
be the main character of your own anime. act completely oblivious and dense to even the most obvious of come ons, set ups, or flirting. make them all want you by not giving a flying fuck at all. concentrate on keeping an awesome game going.
if you play your cards right, maybe bag both daughters AND their moms at the same time. The higher you aim, the higher you'll reach.
>>46551939
Parents consent is still a thing so no legal issues there.
Play it smooth.
Maybe you get to land a qt girlfriend from it.
>>46544184
Holy shit, is this Faggot-kun? Why aren't you fagging up /wodg/?
penis
>>46552330
Just play it up as normal dating without sex for two years.
When they are 18 nobody is going to give a damn.
>>46551939
Be yourself.
Talk about /tg/ shit and how much fun hanging out with her mom is.
You come out looking great to your player and her daughter will simply not be interested.
>>46544184
>welcome to being in a situation where you're a minority, some people feel this way 24/7
I'm the only white male in my group and I feel okay about it. Every time we meet up there's about a 75% chance our resident ca/tg/irl will look directly at me, laugh, and reference pic related. Otherwise I don't get any problems.As if it wasn't obvious, I'm talking about you, J.
>>46544184
>Yelling at a board full of antisocial nerds about how it feels to be in a minority.
Wow. You're actually retarded.
>>46556593
I love being the only indian around in a room of people with that movie running. Makes everyone else squirm and its hilarious to see if they join me in singing Savages.
>>46551939
>>46552088
>>46552330
>>46556423
Would either of these 16 year old girls even WANT to date their mom's DM?
>>46556743
>if they join me in singing Savages
Which half do you sing?
>>46543811
>>46543841
>>46543870
Grow your hair out and claim that you are on transition hormones.
If one or multiples of them act anything other than motherly, these are the targets for your penis.
In order to obtain normal relations in said group, you will have to fuck one of them or start your transition to womanhood.
These are your only options.
Sure you could try to bring in another guy, but it will become their mission to see the two of you in the missionary position, with the lights off, for the sole purpose of depositing male seed in a non-reproductive anus.
Man up or woman up.......or find a new game group.
>>46556852
>>46549836
Kaoru Mori is no longer allowed near schools and child care centers
>>46556756
I don't even know if they know their moms have been offering them to me.
>>46556107
Fuck off back to /pol/, edgy teen
>>46556796
The whiteman bits. Just like i sing barbies half in barbie world.
>>46556852
>Man up or woman up
>>46550710
>Describes my experience word for word
Holy crap I really wanted to believe it wasn't that common and I'm just a horrifically unlucky man.
Shit makes me sad now
>>46543811
/ss/?
>>46558066
Jesus, you too!?
Oh man.
>>46544184
Yea I've been a minority my whole life, both in my family and outside (adopted nigger). There is no
>feel this way 24/7
there is no particular feel associated with it. So fuck off and stop trying to act like you represent minorities.
>>46560467
niggers are physically incapable of feels, it's a scientifically proven fact
>>46549836s-source?
![Otoyomegatari.full.1495723[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eA4YDUv.jpg "Otoyomegatari.full.1495723[1].jpg")
>>46557025
>Kaoru Mori
is she That Girl? The kind that creates interesting characters but always finds a way to shoehorn in their underage husbands?
>>46551015
>Dat greentext.
Not related to the gender angle, but:
As a post-grad student playing Only War with undergrads, I struggle to believe that that kind of age gap working well is the norm for these situations.
I'm only four years older than most of the rest ofthe group, but the lolpenis attitude and insistence that everyone's special in some way (players as much as characters) does my head in.
>>46550971
>>46551251
Fucking this.
I just don't know how people like that fucking function in society. Like how hard is it to just stfu and play a damn game for a while.
![photo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3gQ6WJs.jpg "photo[1].jpg")
>>46560616
>I just don't know how people like that fucking function in society.
Because Western culture is centered about apologizing for being better/functional. Westerners are quite literally fag enablers. In 1789 when homosexuality was decriminalized literally all reasons to complain disappeared, yet faggots still want their parads where they dance around in pink thongs to prove how "equal" they are.
>>46560616
Because other people don't do that. Every victory is "luck" or them "being nice". Every defeat is "well, to be expected". And forget about going there in anything less than full coverage and bags, lest they "compliment".
I'm glad I found a new actually friendly LGS.
>>46560630
These days I see more white straight men whining about the genocide of the white race and heterosexuality.
>>46560715
Oh or alternatively SJW hipsters bitching, who also are white straight people and not minorities.
>>46560715
Where do you live? Because over here in the real world, most white people gladly celebrate their suicide. Not genocide, suicide.
>>46557025
Please be gentle, i'm quite stupid.
Is that an actual thing now? Cause i could see that.
>>46561027
>Is that an actual thing now?
Of course not. Because unlike modern Westerners, the Japanese aren't retarded and emotionally driven. The country went as far as to rebuke UN demands to ban loli. Because for some mysterious reason, Japanese legislators have more pressing matters that require their attention than what happens to fictional characters.
>>46561059
Weeb, pls.
>oh no for once in my life I'm not the absolute in terms of social power
>whatever will I do
Can't say I really give a shit.
![20151012-_85955600_refugeex2a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CfEE0wN.jpg "20151012-_85955600_refugeex2a[1].jpg")
>>46561101
Not a weeb, just unbiased. The biggest difference between Japan and the West can be observed in how Japan and Germany (both countries with highly comparable demographic problems) reacted to the refugee crisis and their reasonings.
Where Shinzo Abe stated with the full backing of the Japanese voters that importing highly fertile immigrants with incompatible cultures in a country with extremely low birth rates will make them impossible to contain and assimilate, Angela Merkel forces in two million refugees (who may very well become 9 million if a minister of Bavaria is to be believed) and when called out on her stupid moves she simply responds that she will "not apologize for showing a friendly face".
It's the difference between rationalism and emotivism.
>>46551251
Or maybe you need to stop overinflating someone's political beliefs as their entire persona. If you can carp on all the time about what you assume about the world and who you're willing to fuck, it's juvenile and absurd to stop anyone else from doing it.
are they biological women?
>>46561180
Do you seriously think that Merkel is a genuinely selfless person ?
The only thing she did was getting more cheap labour inside the country to please Krupp et al.
>>46561180
Weeb, pls.No, I'm not going to argue, because if you are incapable of seeing the many, many problems of your simplistic argument about two wildly different cultures and areas, there is absolutely no point. Hence:weeb, pls.
>>46561215
No, nor do I think that Shinzo Abe is a genuinely selfless person. However, there is a gigantic disconnect between their policies, which are based on the views that dominate German (emotivism) and Japanese (reason) society respectively. You will never see young Japanese girls of optimal reproductive age holding "refugees welcome" or "will trade rapists for racists" signs, will you? If you have an alternative explanation feel free to present it.
>>46561221
>No, I'm not going to argue
Why not? I'm more than willing to hear why I'm wrong.
>>46561221
Not that Anon, but if you're not going to explain your viewpoint you might as well have not posted.
>>46561201
>Or maybe you need to stop overinflating someone's political beliefs as their entire persona
I don't. I prefer not to even bring up politics in conversation, because I'm aware that my views are well away from the norm and I'm generally not interested in starting what usually becomes a long and meandering argument about every political hot-button issue that's been debated in the last fifty years.
>If you can carp on all the time about what you assume about the world and who you're willing to fuck, it's juvenile and absurd to stop anyone else from doing it
That logic is perfectly sound, which is why I DON'T care on all the time about who I'm willing to fuck.
You seem to have completely missed my point. I literally could not give fewer fucks about who you like to do what in your where. I just don't want to fucking hear about it. If I see two people eating face and getting handsy in public I'm going to tell them to get a fucking room, and if I hear somebody going on about what they did in the bedroom last night I'm going to ask them to be quiet. It doesn't matter if the people in question happen to be straight, gay, ugly, attractive, trans, bi, genderfluid, pan, or Apache Helicopter-kin.
I don't. Fucking. Care. And if somebody is SO CAUGHT UP in what they do with their bits that they immediately assume persecution when I ask them to keep the bedroom in the bedroom, then THAT is ultimately the problem. Not what they do, who they are, or what they like, but that they have no respect for the fact that I don't want to hear about it.
>>46561342
>Not what they do, who they are, or what they like, but that they have no respect for the fact that I don't want to hear about it.
Should we ask you your pronouns as well?
>>46561352
Nigger you're getting this shit completely backwards. I'm complaining ABOUT that sort of "I need to shove my sexuality and gender politics into every aspect of conversation" shit, not in favor of it.
>>46561342
>displays of affection trigger me!
Aw boohoohoo, go find yourself a hugbox
>>46561342
Next you're gonna tell me you want to see women in burkhas.
>>46561245
>Why not? I'm more than willing to hear why I'm wrong.
Really?
Well, first, separating 'emotivism' and reason. One isn't without the other, at least in humans. Japanese are at least as emotionally driven as their German counterparts, but in a way you FEEL is reasonable. Bias, there.
>there is a gigantic disconnect between their policies
Yes, it's true. There's also a gigantic disconnect between their geographical situation, their history (for example, Japan almost never has been invaded by foreign powers), their cultural outlook, their cooking, their religions, etc. But no, it's about being right and wrong or, for you, reasonable or emotional. Not any of the other stuff. Me? I think you're biased very strongly towards what your politics are, which is only natural. I'm biased in the same way, but not for the one or the other, since I think the issue(s) are systemic rather than a run-of-the-mill Tumblr vs Stormfront cleavage.
>You will never see young Japanese girls of optimal reproductive age
And yet, you will see plenty of young Japanese guys of "optimal reproductive age" not going for these young Japanese girls of "optimal reproductive age", because their society is also fucked up in a different way. However, their way spells the death of their culture, rather than mutation.
>>46561342
>when I ask them to keep the bedroom in the bedroom
You're telling other people how to live their lives, mate. That's not how freedom works. Talking about sex is no bigger deal than talking about sports or traditional games; I'm sure you'd shit a brick if someone asked you to stop talking about your campaign or to keep deck talk in the card shop.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part. I just disagree with the bit where you police other people's conversations. If you ain't part of it, don't make yourself part of it, Dale.
>>46561381
There's a difference between actions and appearance, you know. Just because you see something attractive doesn't mean you need to act on it (or inform everyone around you of your attraction). You'll still get tossed off a nude beach if you start fucking in public.
>>46561463
>Well, first, separating 'emotivism' and reason
You deny there is a difference between doing what you feel is right and weighing the pros and cons of a situation objectively? And that's not even touching the grave consequences the denial of the existence of rationality should have on your worldview as a whole.
>There's also a gigantic disconnect between their geographical situation, their history (for example, Japan almost never has been invaded by foreign powers), their cultural outlook, their cooking, their religions, etc.
Which all create different outlooks in the end, yet we can still conclude that no matter how they came about one is more rational than the other. We can go into a long and detailed discussion in how both sides treated their defeat in WW2 for example but that does not change the rationality of Japan's decision to not take in refugees for the reasons it has stated.
>And yet, you will see plenty of young Japanese guys of "optimal reproductive age" not going for these young Japanese girls of "optimal reproductive age", because their society is also fucked up in a different way.
Which is exactly why Shinzo Abe said that Japan needs to solve its own problems before it can help others. Do you really believe that Japan's sexually disinterested (among whom women greatly outnumber men by the way) aren't the greatest concern of Japan's political class?
>However, their way spells the death of their culture, rather than mutation.
Quite the contrary: due to Japan's clever refusal to take in refugees within a century Japan will be a lot less populated and a lot less economically vibrant, but its culture will still exist (and of course mutate under outside influences). On the other hand the culture of Germany will be displaced, not change, as nigh unassimilatable minorities overtake the native population in fertility and, within a matter of decades, in total number.
>>46561370
And you're a stupid fucking nigger because you don't realize in your effort to disconnect yourself from your perceived enemy you unwittingly used the same exact vocabulary as your average tumblr whine blog
>why won't these people who are different from me behave like I want them too!
>why won't they respect my personal spaaaaace!
>MUH FEELINGS
Horseshoe theory in full effect here
>>46561517
>And that's not even touching the grave consequences the denial of the existence of rationality should have on your worldview as a whole.
You're reading what you want to read, not what I'm writing. Nevermind, this was useless.
Weeb, pls.
holy shit, this got off-topic
why aren't the Japanese making enough babies? are the men that awkward & the women that high maintenance? the whole host thing seems weird to me
>>46561501
>I'm sure you'd shit a brick if someone asked you to stop talking about your campaign or to keep deck talk in the card shop.
Not necessarily, no. If I realize that somebody's not interested in hearing about something, I'm fine with simply not talking about it with them. It'd be pretty rude of me to do otherwise, really.
>I just disagree with the bit where you police other people's conversations.
Alright, I see where I was unclear. I'm not talking about policing conversations I'm not even involved in; you're entirely right, I don't have any grounds to shove myself in where I'm not involved just to tell people to shut up. That's a situation where I ought to just ignore them and move on, unless they're being completely unreasonable by shouting and yelling or talking about seriously fucked up shit, like debating the finer nuances of guro while there are kids in the room.
I was talking about situations where I'm involved in a conversation, and somebody keeps trying to bring those subjects up no matter how tenuous the connection to the topic at hand.
>>46543811
Find put their fetishes and play characters that play to them.
>>46561585
>why aren't the Japanese making enough babies?
For the same reason the Germans aren't.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962
It's not unique to Japan at all.
>>46561585
>>46561606
German here
There is no reason to give birth to a child so why should we.
Also we have sex quite a lot actually but we also are educated and know how to use condoms.
FFS why is this a fucking thing?
Is the GM/DM good? Yes? What the fuck is the problem then?
>>46561585
Same problems most western countries are having, really. Costs of living continue to grow, making childrearing more expensive, which causes people to put it off for longer and to have fewer children. Popular media and celebrity news present unrealistic and unobtainable standards for relationships as the new norm, making an average partner look lower-class by comparison. Widespread and easily obtainable means of entertainment and self-gratification reduce the instinctive impetus to seek a relationship. Normalization of divorce and publicized coverage of messy celebrity gossip and scandal removes the idealized image of marriage and long-term relationships, replacing it with an expectation of failure.
In Japan's case, this is further compounded by a strong cultural pressure to put aside selfish happiness in order to work harder for the betterment of society, especially in high schools where relationships are often outright forbidden as a distraction.
The general upshot of all this is that men and women as social groups become increasingly disconnected, and what each side wants and expects from a relationship shifts further and further away from the expectations of the other.
>>46561716
kinda like neither gender sees the other one as worth the trouble of having kids with, huh??
here in America the perception is that divorce courts favor mothers for custody, & that many men have little to gain/more to lose in being tied down/putting a ring on it.
I didn't know about Germany's birth crisis, they will be bred out of their own country w/in 25 years at this rate, if not sooner. But why worry about that when Krupp & co. need cheap labor now, right??
>>46556852
what on earth
>>46555306
If only one is hot why would you ever rub two?
>>46561606
>It's not unique to Japan at all.
it's not even unique to the first world
it just happened in the first world...first
>>46561059
> unlike modern Westerners, the Japanese aren't retarded and emotionally driven
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>>46561463
Here, here.
>>46561517
>You deny there is a difference between doing what you feel is right and weighing the pros and cons of a situation objectively
I'm not that anon, but yes - there is no difference, except how much information about the situation is taken into account. There is no such thing as a moral dilemma with an objective solution, no matter what Steve Ditco have told you. There are ones that have a solution that is universally preferred in the context of the basic humanism, but those are non-issues. In any actual dilemma, you will have a conflict of interests between classes, races and ideologies, with no way to "objectively wight the pros and cons", as in the end they will all boil down to who gets the short end.
Claiming that Japan is "ore rational in it's political leadership" is the bullshitiest of bullshits. Japan sucks at any sort of political decisions, as for the last 50 years their foreign policy has been "be the Uncle Sam's complete bitch", while the inner policies can be summed up as stagnating conservatism. But when they once again bury their heads into sand in the face of another crisis, you praise it as rationality since the course lines up with your own political bias, and also you can magically see the future to confirm that Germany is fucked.
the only thing I can say to you is: weeb, pls.
>>46561966
>I'm not that anon, but yes - there is no difference, except how much information about the situation is taken into account. There is no such thing as a moral dilemma with an objective solution
I guess this is also a matter of perspective. I admit that the way I pose it there isn't a moral dillemma but we're simply looking at what benefits the country: taking in refugees or not taking them in. That's something you can very objectively look at and in that case there certainly is such a thing as a right and a wrong answer, namely the answer that creates the most and the least benefit respectively.
Here the information taken into account too matters: Abe's perspective looks decades into the future, perhaps even as far as a century. Merkel's arguments, in as far as she names them besides "muh humanitarian duty", are incredibly short term: filling the gaps in the German workforce.
>Japan sucks at any sort of political decisions, as for the last 50 years their foreign policy has been "be the Uncle Sam's complete bitch"
The same could be said for Germany, the country that freely gave away confidential information on their supposed closest ally France.
>while the inner policies can be summed up as stagnating conservatism
While it's true that the Japanese economy has been stagnating since about the 80s (you overlook the boom it had before that, complete with its own China-tier "it's gonna overtake America!" hype) Germany also had and has its fair share of economic issues.
>But when they once again bury their heads into sand in the face of another crisis
"Burry their heads into the sand"? That phrasing implies it is in any way their problem. It isn't, and even though it isn't their problem the Japanese government has pledged large amounts of financial support to aid for the Middle East.
>and also you can magically see the future to confirm that Germany is fucked.
Statistics, fertility rates and extrapolating currently ongoing trends aren't magic.
>>46562080
>creates the most and the least benefit respectively
Benefit FOR WHOM?
> perspective looks decades into the future, perhaps even as far as a century
Fundamentally impossible on the geopolitical landscape. Japs can Divination now?
>as far as she names them besides "muh humanitarian duty", are incredibly short term: filling the gaps in the German workforce
"Muh humanitarian duty" also fulfills a utility role - giving the German government a moral high ground, allowing them to possibly force their policies on other nations through political pressure on moral grounds.
>While it's true that the Japanese economy
I'm not talking about economy. I'm talking about government policies. Germany went through Two Germanies, being the frontline of Cold War, fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification, the Ossi issue, the NATO issue, the building of EU, the mediation of political interests between a shitload of nations, the Russian confrontation and at last - the current refugee crisis. The only other government that can boast going through that much of clusterfucks in the last 50 years is (possibly) Russian. All of those brought different dilemmas before the German government, and were solved with different approaches. Meanwhile Japan has been facing largely the same set of issues for half a century, maintaining the same conservative approach to all of them (did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?).
>"Not my problem!"
>not evading the issue
Kek.
>Statistics, fertility rates and extrapolating currently ongoing trends aren't magic
They are also not foolproof. It is somewhat possible that Germany will not manage through the fallout of the crisis, but it is also possible that it will only emerge stronger out of it. The exact numbers will vary WILDLY between the analysts you are asking.
>>46562237
>Benefit FOR WHOM?
Those whom the state derives its power from in systems based on popular sovereignity?
>Fundamentally impossible on the geopolitical landscape.
It's impossible with 100% accuracy but it's certainly possible to make rough estimates and much of policy is based on predictions for the future. Many governments initiate projects they don't expect to see the benefits of until after their term has already ended.
>giving the German government a moral high ground, allowing them to possibly force their policies on other nations through political pressure on moral grounds.
True, but to what degree does it benefit the German people? Not much if you ask the average inhabitant of Cologne.
>Kek.
Certain things really are not your problem. Or do you believe everything should be everyone's problem? That we need an international task force to solve the budget deficit of certain South American countries?
>They are also not foolproof.
They indicate that there is a problem and that, on the condition that a certain trend continues, a certain result will emerge. You can choose to attempt to avoid that (Japan) or give a country already going downhill an extra push (Germany). Statistics are useful because they show what could happen and what should either be avoided or worked towards.
>>46562080
>It isn't
Japan is part of the global economy, of the UN, and of multiple supra-governmental agencies and initiatives. If it wants to enjoy any say in the arguments between the Powers That Be and generally indulge in the joys of developed world, it has to partake in the issues shaking said world. Japan can't say "not my problem" while retaining trade, cultural and military connection with the rest of the First World, and unfortunately it's a bit low on nukes and up to the glands on US dick to pull a Russia and attempt to headbash it's own political pole through a wall.
>The same could be said for Germany, the country that freely gave away confidential information on their supposed closest ally France.
Not even arguing on this one. To not see the difference between EU course towards eventual military and political independence from US and Japanese submission one needs to be retard.
>>46562318
>. If it wants to enjoy any say in the arguments between the Powers That Be and generally indulge in the joys of developed world, it has to partake in the issues shaking said world.
And yet it doesn't, or at least not if it's not to its benefit. What do you propose, dragging them before the UN? How would one even decide, let alone enforce, punishing Japan for refusing to participate in an affair that does not benefit its people within the confines of its external sovereignity? And what other countries should we punish for this as well? Just first world countries or any country that could theoretically "afford" to take in refugees? A country's government has no obligation other than achieving the greater good for its population?
>To not see the difference between EU course towards eventual military and political independence from US
KEK. You know that even EU Federalists are financed by America, right? And that America is the biggest supporter of EU expansion, to the point that Obama both wants to include Turkey and warned the UK of the consequences of leaving?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5113786/Barack-Obama-backs-Turkey-over-EU-membership.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-barack-obama-remain-campaign-brexit-europe-a6927731.html
The EU is in no way capable, or even willing to distance itself from America.
>>46562298
>Those whom the state derives its power from in systems based on popular sovereignity?
Refugees are also gonna be citizens in a decade or two, so what? If we start discriminating on the basis of ethnicity and culture, we'll certainly be safer from the displays of barbarism, but we'll also lean closer towards the policies of nationalism, which have amazingly horrible track record so far, and are also a berzerk topic in Germany, and for a good reason.
>True, but to what degree does it benefit the German people? Not much if you ask the average inhabitant of Cologne.
Define "German people"
>Certain things really are not your problem
That attitude can also remind the rest of the world that Japanese interests are also not THEIR problem, and Russians can keep the northern islands indefinitely. Maybe even bite off a part of Hokkaido. "What? Not our problem."
At which point the whole modern system of international relations goes downhill.
>They indicate that there is a problem and that, on the condition that a certain trend continues, a certain result will emerge
Many would argue over the "certain" part. As it stands now, geopolitical statistical models are VERY FAR AWAY from predicting anything certain.
>>46562403
>How would one even decide, let alone enforce, punishing Japan for refusing to participate in an affair that does not benefit its people within the confines of its external sovereignity
Sanctions.
>Just first world countries or any country that could theoretically "afford" to take in refugees
Yup.
>A country's government has no obligation other than achieving the greater good for its population?
if a country has no obligations towards the world community than the world community has to obligations towards it. Welcom to Globalization. Enjoy being North Korea.
>The EU is in no way capable, or even willing to distance itself from America.
It is not capable at that at the moment, yes, but there indeed are interests and forces that prefer to attempt lowering political and military dependence on the states.
Meanwhile Japan is more of a US' lil' bitch than Puerto Rico with no actual debate over getting out of such anal slavery.
>>46562436
>Refugees are also gonna be citizens in a decade or two
On the condition that they are actually accepted. Whether or not they are accepted is subject to a decision that must be made by the German government in which the interests of those who are already Germans are kept in mind. It's not that difficult.
>Define "German people"
Those with German citizenship? That's the official definition of "German" after all.
>That attitude can also remind the rest of the world that Japanese interests are also not THEIR problem
Certainly.
>Maybe even bite off a part of Hokkaido.
Which would be a very unwise decision considering Japan is under America's protection to the point of barely having its own foreign military policy. On top of that this would be a violation of numerous UN Treaties, whereas refusing to take in refugees is not. Apples and oranges.
>Many would argue over the "certain" part.
My bad, I did not mean certain in the sense of fixed and proven, but mere a certain in the sense of a specific trend. Of course it's never certain in the sense of being unchangeable, which is precisely why they often inspire policy changes.
>As it stands now, geopolitical statistical models are VERY FAR AWAY from predicting anything certain.
Nothing is certain. Over the next few decades for example America's white demographic could suddenly go through a baby boom that reverses the ethnic trends that are about to make white Americans a minority. It is however very unlikely. Statistical trends aren't 100% reliable, but they're the closest thing we have to predicting the future and calculating the possible consequences of our action. They should therefore not be dismissed.
>>46560743
Remove plum frgáls
>>46562833
...You realize OP said, like, nothing like that?
>>46562927
It's spam, anon.
It's been spammed before, and I'm pretty sure he got b&, so either the ban expired, he's evading, or it's a copycat spammer.
Report and ignore.
>>46562973
Whatever man. He wasn't going on about conspiracies or any of that shit, and considering the amount of people who come on 4chan daily and the general 'culture' around tabletop games, how do you know it isn't some dude who is legit concerned?
Don't try to act the oldfag when you're not. I'ts not as if he's Virt or somesuch
>>46563134
Samefag
I just realized who you were talking about. I thought you meant OP, but you really meant >>46562833
Gah. sorry bro
>>46561606
>>46561862
Am I the only one who sees this declining birthrates "crisis" as just another kindn of mathusean fallacy? People always assume that a trend in human society will stay the same in the long term even when this has be proven incorrectly before, maybe we are having less babies because we don't really need that many babies right now, there is no reason to believe that the massive increase in population experienced in the last century is normal or even desirable.
>>46564199
>mathusean fallacy
*malthusian fallacy
>>46564199
>>46564250
No because even in the short term it has negative effects, that we will be experiencing within a single generation as all the baby boomers retire: from this point onward more and more people will retire and there will relatively speaking be less and less people (sans migration of course) to pay for their pensions. That's why so many countries have recently started upping their retirement age. For example in the Netherlands it was 65, now it's 67 and I'm pretty sure that by the time I hit that age it will have been upped to 70.
What happens in the long term may or may not be a malthusean fallacy, but it is a fact that the native population is shrinking and a society with a shrinking population isn't exactly the most vibrant society.
I see people alternate between complaints about overpopulation and population decline. Can we just pick one to be worried about?
Either we're getting too many people or too few. It can't be both.
>>46564360
But why is it a problem that retirement age is increasing, other than for for egotistical reasons?
Also, hasn't average life expectancy increased as fast as or faster than retirement age, which would make time spent as a pensioner relatively as long or longer than before?
>>46564811
Not everybody has a nice, cushy 9-to-5 job.
>>46564868
Surely blue collar jobs have gotten increased average life expectancy over the years as well, maybe more so than office jobs? I think modern safety precautions, medicinal advancement and growing public awareness of health and safety through smartphones becoming more and more common have helped a lot in that regard.
I'm assuming that higher life expectancy would also mean being able to work proportionately longer, that may not be the case.
>>46544184
Aaaaaaaaaah if you hate being a minority move to where you are majority if there is no place like that make one
>>46564811
The pension system was created under the asumption that people would pay for a long time and then only start collecting payments when they were already near the end of their lives, this didn't only guarantee that they would pay far more than receive they would also spend it conservatively.
>>46561342
>I don't. I prefer not to even bring up politics in conversation...
>he said, shortly after bringing up his politics in a conversation
>>46549836
>modern england/ sweden/ germany/ france/ austria dot jpeg
>>46565944
You need to swap the genders.
>>46543841
>I'm in the same situation, everyone is LGBT and I'm the only one still in the closet.
No, you're not.
>Come out
>No one gives a shit, it's been obvious for years
>>46552056
right on.
I'm friends with a married couple that I play with and I desperately want to fuck the wife. I'm a terrible friend.
>>46566744
Are you black? Get him into cuck porn.
>>46551015
Man that was fucking great
>>46567320
Nah we're white and they're happily married.
>>46566744
If you haven't done it, you aren't a terrible friend.
If you're trying to do it, then yeah you're a terrible friend. Not that this should stop you.
