Or are they always going to be evil or amoral? Can they not help people out out of goodness in their hearts?
>>46477654
Retarded question. Depends on setting.
>>46477654
Depends on the kind of demonand setting.
Personally, i'm fine with non-evil demons, as i usually runn more light-hearted campaigns.
HORDES OF IRREDEMABLE EVIL can be a fine plot device, but tend to get boring.
>>46477667
Well I'm just asking your opinion, really.
I like the idea of them being redeemable. Downside: Drizzt clones.
Dresden Files kind of does it right. Creatures like "demons" , Fae, whatever are incapable of free will and can only follow their nature I.e. make bargains, cause pain. Being "redeemed" basically makes them human.
It's like the speculation from Tolkien's writings (and one I agree with). All Orcs/Uruk are evil. If they're good, they're called Elves.
>>46477654
DEPENDS
ON
THE
SETTING
>>46477798
IIRC weren't the orcs said to be corrupted Elves?
>>46477798
>Dresden Files kind of does it right.
Dresden Files does nothing right. It has the worst version of every creature outside of Twilight. Guy butchers every idea he comes into contact with.
>>46477875
Yeah, so some fans have speculated that if an orc is a corrupted elf, then an elf is an un-corrupted orc
Hence, if an orc were to hypothetically be good, they would be an elf
I don't recall just how different biologically uruks and elves were though, but it's an interesting interpretation. The Elder Scrolls uses something similar, Orcs are basically what happens when an Elf's patron God gets literally chewed up and shat out by another god
>>46477929
> Butchers
See what you did there.
>>46477949
Maybe it's like how the uruk hai are made out of filthy earthy stuff- you dunk an orc in a bucket of purified water and all the dirty orcy bits just wash right off.
>>46477654
STANDING
>>46477979
Mud Uruks weren't in the books iirc, but the idea of Sauron's army of darkness getting its ass kicked by a garden hose is too good to pass up.
>Depends
>DEPENDS
>setting..
>depends..
What the fuck, demons are the antithesis of goodness. If, for whatever dumb reason, a demon would ever do anything good, it will immediately stoping to be a demon.
I blame dumb anime shit for these threads.
>>46478100
Yeah John Milton was a total weeaboo faggot
>>46477654
>>46477654
Depends on the size of their bust. Well endowed demons have big chests because they have big hearts.
>>46477654
Sure, but keep in mind that hero for some will be monster for others. Regardless whether they are human or supernatural being.
>>46478073
>be soldier of gondor
>trying to defend a local temple during the siege by sauron's armies
>see a crazy hook-nosed orc coming at you with a rusty blade
>there's a big old urn full of blessed water on a platform to the side
>kick it down on the orc
>suddenly looks like the orc "melts"
>stare in disbelief as a cute elf looks up at you in confusion
>asks you to take responsibility after the battle
>>46478215
What are those radioactive Prometheans from nWoD again?
If they ever become human, they become human SLIGHTLY before they stop being horribly radioactive.
Or the Auditors from Discworld, who CAN stop being amoral shadowy selfless things, but if they do they can no longer really be called "Auditors".
A vegan can eat meat, that's fine. They just stop being vegan when they do.
>>46478293
So what you're saying is I can turn anything into my waifu.
>>46477743
It's not a subjective matter they either can or they can't and its totally dependent on the setting.
>>46478346
What I'm saying is that you can turn things into other things, which can then be your waifu.
>>46478374
Brilliant.
Sure
I just follow the Japanese example put on by Evangelion.
They just borrow words like Demon and Lucifer and Evangelion because they are cool. They mostly use them as cool titles for their 'natural' spirits that normally exist. They're more like animals and people with superpowers to them than they are malevolent beings like they are for Christians.
>>46478374
Maybe the real waifus were the friends we made along the way?
>>46477654
DEPENDS ON THE SETTING
>>46477743
Fiiine. Settings I play in:
>Exalted
Demons have weird mindsets, a lot of them leaning to violence because they live in a quite shitholey dimension, but they can do "hero" if they want, whether it'd be a whole species trend or an outlier.
>superhero settings
Bitch pls it's standard thing.
>>46478408
That depends, did you make friends with any demons who you made into women who you could waifu?
I think it's fine, I like the idea.
Like, a soldier from hell who's constantly battling to survive comes to the human realm, and the local peasants get on their knees and give him offerings and he's like "wow, they really respect me!" and feels all touched, so he ends up helping them out because he thinks they appreciate them. Then after he defeats some nasty bandit boss the villagers realize he's being nice and befriend him and so on. It could be a really happy story.
>>46478139
There might be some truth to this.
>>46478100
The Christian setting is the worst.
>>46477654
In D&D? By RAW yes, there are even rules to handle it mechanically in the monster manual's appendix
>>46479360
>The Christian setting is the worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Sylvester_II
>He was also reputed to have had a pact with a female demon called Meridiana, who had appeared after he had been rejected by his earthly love, and with whose help he managed to ascend to the papal throne
Sounds like the best setting to me.
>>46478371
Asking your opinion is the same thing as asking "Would you allow a demon to be a hero, IN YOUR SETTING?" Admittedly, this would have been a better way for OP to word his question, but you're still a faggot.
>>46477654
Some of them, sure. The demons in my settings usually have some kind of theme or trait that got them there in the first place, and occasionally one or two demons have driving traits that can do some good.
For example, a demon driven by ambition. Point him in the direction of the current big bad, let him and his crazy demon powers clean up, and then either point him to the next target or banish them. It's not fun, but it's practical.
>>46477654
I believe so, Because Evil/good are simply based on what person you are talking too.Whenever I get a chance to play a 'demon' I end up going good, while everything descends into evil.
>>46477992
BOSS I knew you were alive!
>>46477654
Some demons are real dickasses and this gives the rest of them a bad reputation.
Most demons are private magical contractors with no other place to go in their lives.
>>46479612
>fuck bitches
>become pope
MadmanDespite "lol redeemed succubus" being a meme at this point, semen demons still would be the most likely ones to find that being atleast neutral isn't too bad.
