Castaferrum Edition
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
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HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Isstvan Campaign Legions: http://www.mediafire.com/download/deadtdf0y47k59k/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/s15Jqk1t/file.html
>>46423400
>Last Chance to Buy Edition
>>46423419
They could be just making updated versions of them, or logically making boxier Contemptors.
The new HH box set will have a plastic mkIV dread, that's why FW discontinued theirs.
Who /midnightclad/ here?
boxnoughts a shit
>>46423470
>>46423454
Or assume people use the GW venerable dread.
>>46423494
You shut your goddamn whore mouth
>>46423519
you dont even have thumbs, fagbox
>>46423454
We need to go boxier.
>>46423494
What did I tell you two threads ago? Leave the boxman alone. He suffers enough already.
>>46423556
>Implying I need thumbs to smack you in the gabber
>>46423572
>Wasting a TFC to make an arm for a dreadnought
I've seen some fucking heresy in my time but damn
>>46423556
THUMBS ARE FOR THE WEAK
>>46423556
>ignores venerable dread, SW dread, BA dreads, old venerable dread, etc. which all have hands similar to contemptors, if not better
>>46423611
>mfw the TFC itself is sturdier and better than the Dreadnought
>>46423571
I'm sure the next new dread will be a captain planet like thing.
>>46423611
Flesh is weak, yadda yadda yadda, they get a pass because their papa is the butt of head related jokes.
>>46423613
I'm going to laugh if the flying dreadnoughts for Bangles make an appearance.
>>46423611
boxlets, when will they learn?
>>46423632
>venerable dread, SW dread, BA dreads, old venerable dread
>similar hands, if not better
BLUNT FINGERS GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46423686
>that image
>>46423699
kek
>>46423686
>>46423686
>>46423691
>>46423699
Guys, it's not the metal shell on the outside that counts. It's the metal shell on the inside of the dreadnought's pilot. Dreado, Leviathan, Castaferrum, does it really matter? As long as you're not a Hellbrute you don't deserve to be mocked.
>>46423691
>blunt
>>46423815
even hellbrutes are bigger than boxlets
at least hellbrutes have knees
>>46423856
Is the top right hand not blunt?
>>46423815
What's wrong with the Helbrute nigger
>>46423889
>hellbrute
What was wrong with Chaos Dreadnought?
>>46423856
Top right is blunt and bottom has no thumbs.
>>46423889
Oh, so now the requirement is knees instead of thumbs? Quit moving that goalpost you dreadnaughtist
>>46423925
>Hellbrute also has real hand.
>>46423889
Those aren't knees they're just fake kneepads. They have as much a knee as boxnaughts do. You could literally glue a kneepad to the boxnaught shin plate and have the same thing.
>>46423889
But it's a Hellbrute though. It gets last place by existing.
>>46423914
Everything?
>>46423921
It wasn't edgy enough for GW and in-universe the Dark Mechanicus had to do some marketing research.
>>46423925
>no knees
its a good thing boxlets are so short that they can suck dicks while standing upright
>>46423897
>>46423925
It's as blunt as the contemptor's fingers.
>>46423925
>bottom has no thumbs
Yes it does, the small claw is the thumb. The long claws are closer to each other than the small one.
>>46424002
>It's as blunt as the contemptor's fingers.
Read the post chain.
More boxnaught.
>>46423949
Bitch you just jelly of my Chaos Swag
>>46424078
You know what made my playthrough on the Retribution Chaos campaign really relevant? The Chaos Dreadnought.
>SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!
But then.
>MAKE ME SANE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2FjJm2_YA
I wonder how much better contemptors would be if keresh assault cannons didn't exist. Or boxnoughts could have them too.
>>46424479
>I wonder how much better contemptors would be if keresh assault cannons didn't exist
Worse.
>Or boxnoughts could have them too.
No change for Contemptors. Dreadnoughts get slightly better.
Dreadnoughts biggest issue seems to be frailty, not firepower, although their firepower isn't amazing.
Contemptors problem is lack of firepower for the points, unless you take kheres and missile rack.
>>46424596
Keresh just seems to be the go-to option, and one boxnought lacks.
>>46424629
contemptor cortus with double grav fist is still better than a boxlet
they also cost pretty much the same amount of points
>>46424629
Mainly because powercreep made the assault cannon shit. You don't see keres multimeltas/lascannons/etc because those still have niches.
>>46423487
AVE BROTHER!
Is there any where I can get NL transfer sheet, but not from forge world?
The transport costs to my country are obscene
>>46424670
Well of course it does, because there might actually be crazy people who would have preferred the 50pts. cheaper boxnought instead. So better make a unit that's, for 10pts., much better.
>>46424715
You can buy the paper and print your own
>>46424766
dont you need some special printer for that shit?
>>46424715
>>46424780
you can either pony up the cash, order with some mates to save on postage or print your own if you have access to a good printer. Those are your only options
>>46424780
Nope, you can do it with an inkjet or laserjet. it's the decal paper that's the important bit
Anyone got the pdf for False Gods?
>>46424908
mega links in OP.
>>46424715
Try ebay?
>>46424997
Ah. Thank you.
>>46424858
cool
>>46424163
>1:24 - AT LAST...I DIE!!
Holy shit, they may be traitor scumbags and all, but that actually makes me feel sorry for them.
>2:22 - SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!
I choose to believe he is that chaos sgt from DoW 1, now interred in a dreadnought, mainly because of "Sanity is for the weak". But now begs you to make him sane, so I guess it wasn't a good pain after all.
pic not that related
>>46423949
I don't get why Helbrutes get so much shit. They're probably the overall nicest kit in the CSM range currently in terms of execution (other things might be 'cooler', but simply aren't as neatly done kits) and the rules are more or less the same except they stopped killing my own guys.
I personally don't like most Contemptors, they look like a cauldron on legs half the time, though some like the Alpha Legion one has very nice detailing. They have nice rules, just not fond of the models. I do like the Deredeo, though.
Shame FW canned the old boxnaughts, I secured an Alpha Legion one before they were gone. Already have a Nurgle and Death Guard one laying around. However I've never seen anyone else with FW dreads, sometimes FW models or bits but never boxnaughts. With dreads in general being less popular it doesn't surprise me they were binned after many long years.
>>46425354
>I personally don't like most Contemptors, they look like a cauldron on legs half the time,
>I do like the Deredeo though
>Deredeo
>literally sailboat/bathtub on legs
>>46425411
Less frontal surface area, higher weapon mounts. The torso just looks like it would be more likely to deflect shots.
Boats are nice too.
>>46423400
Dubs, what part of your legion do you see in yourselves?
>>46425478
whats in the box
>>46425411
>Boats are nice too
How do you feel about trains?
So I agreed to play in a 40k League with my friends, but I only have 30k duders. On a scale of Eldar to Orks, how fucked am I and what can I do to avoid losing every game?
>>46425510
More like "who" this time. I know "what" is the line, but...you know.
>>46425347
>Holy shit, they may be traitor scumbags and all, but that actually makes me feel sorry for them.
You should. Pity slaves to darkness.
>I choose to believe he is that chaos sgt from DoW 1, now interred in a dreadnought, mainly because of "Sanity is for the weak". But now begs you to make him sane, so I guess it wasn't a good pain after all.
The mission control voice sometimes says "One of your dreadnoughts escaped in death."
>>46425354
Anon, the boxnaughts will return better and boxier than ever. I miss the old Chaos dreads.
>>46425530
> On a scale of Eldar to Orks, how fucked am I
Tyranids.
You'll be very vulnerable to MSU, especially against formations. This is more noticeable at lower point games
>>46425530
just run that gayass SM formation where you get 300+ points of shit for free
Lord Marshal w/ Artificer Armour, Archaeotech Pistol, Iron Halo, and Cyber Familiar: 140 Points
Tank Commander: 55 Points (Preferred Enemy (Infantry))
Tank Commander: 55 Points (Preferred Enemy (Infantry))
Honour Guard w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Honour Guard w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Velatris Storm Section w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Velatris Storm Section w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Velatris Storm Section w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Velatris Storm Section w/ Charnabal Sabre, Needle Pistol, and Shroud Bombs: 150 Points
Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter w/ Battle Servitor, Ground Tracking, 4 Kraken Missiles, and a Twin-Linked Autocannon: 230 Points
Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter w/ Battle Servitor, Ground Tracking, 4 Kraken Missiles, and a Twin-Linked Autocannon: 230 Points
Leman Russ Incinerator w/ Hull and Pintle Multilaser: 195 Points
Leman Russ Incinerator w/ Hull and Pintle Multilaser: 195 Points
2000 Points
>>46425561
Well, the current plastic kit hasn't aged well at all and could use an overhaul. I'd like to see power fists with plasma blasters, I don't think those exist do they?
>>46425669
If the enemy brings a Deredeo and wrecks your Lightnings, how will you deal with Land Raiders?
>>46425697
A power fist with the old school plasma cannon?
>>46425530
Im on a super casual league and I brought IF sniper veterans+heavy supports and they wreck face, every game its either the opponent is completely dead or we're tied.
>>46425768
Ah then you'll do good. If you have enough Veterans you could go PotL and have sniper troops with OS. That's good enough?
>>46425511
I adore trains beyond all else. Sadly they don't count for much in 30k or 40k.
>>46425702
Ignore them and kill anyone inside who jumps out with volkite spam.
So me and a bud are playing and really wondering. Is a 5 man headhunter squad even worth it. They seem to be doing fuck all in the past 10 games. Are we just utilizing them wrong or are we just rolling really shitty. Anyone else have experiences using them and finding them underwhelming
>>46425478
>>46425803
I am IF, so maybe I'll do that. Cheers folks.
Wait what? GW's seriously discontinuing plastic box-dreadnoughts?
>>46425947
By the Emperor what the fuck
>>46426058
yeah, turns out they were a shit.
>>46425478
I've had people say I scare them on multiple occasions, and it felt great. I'm a massive sadist, I adore blood, I love being in the dark. Nothing ever really seems to phase me as disturbing, personally; I probably just think it's cool or even get off on it. Like, no joke, I've stayed up all night reading Wikipedia entries on rare diseases, because the grotesque-ness of it all aroused me. I'd literally eat people if I knew I could get away with it.
>>46426109
WAT
NO
DOES THIS MEAN THEY'RE REPLACING BEST NOUGHTS WITH CONTEMPTORS?
MAD
>>46426271
hopefully
>>46426312
Bruh Boxnaughts are the best shit ever.
If they replace Bjorn with a fucking contemptor i'll be mad
>>46426362
bjorn a shit
>>46426196
>>46426196
>Look at me, i'm so scary! I got told I was sadistic at the end of GTA V and it's so true!
>>46426196
Thanks for the edge. Did you ask your mother if she did drugs when she was pregnant with you yet?
Does anyone know a artist who does good GC era marine commissions?
I'm trying to get some OC work done for a game series
>>46425478
i cuck autismos just like polux.
>>46426461
>>46426518
>>46426532
I know I'm an edgy motherfucker, but I'll own up to it.
Besides
>calling someone edgy in an Edge: The Setting thread
Lore question: Was there any conceivable way Horus could have won the Heresy?
>>46426758
The only way he can win is if the Emperor/loyalists misplay. And he almost did, which is why he's stuck on the throne.
>>46426758
if the Wurbies had actually done what they were supposed to and crushed the Ultramarines in the surprise attack at Calth, they wouldn't have been able to rally and make for Terra to set a deadline on Horus killing the Emperor before the loyalists' reinforcements arrived. Instead they pulled their usual backstabbing shit with each part of them trying to use the Ultras as an anvil to destroy other chunks of the legion they didn't like. In the end they fucked up everything, failed at everything, and did as much damage to themselves as the enemy. Par for the course for the XVII.
>>46426606
There's grimdark, and then there's Black Library and current GW edgy.
>>46426949
>implying the FW books arent edgy as shit too
>>46427003
At least they give us megadakka, Iron Fathers that use moons as their weapons of choice, Salamanders that slam dunk their way to victory, Kyr. When was the last time BL/GW gave us any of these things?
>>46427076
that wasnt the point
crying about edge in a 30k thread is hilarious considering all of the legions are littered with rad weapons, volkite, and phosphex
>>46427136
>rad weapons, volkite, and phosphex
I fail to see how those are edgy.
>>46427172
Rad and phosphex are edgy, volkite isn't.
If you can't see why rad are edgy, you're probably a fan of that faggot who draws fanart of his OC Chaos Raptor that has a gas mask.
>>46423494
I dunno why, but this is like the saddest 40k picture I've ever seen.
>>46427295
>Rad and phosphex are edgy
>Rad
>edgy
Why don't you explain it to me?
>>46426058
>>46426109
WTF I can't believe it. Can anyone share a source for this?
>>46427295
>who draws fanart of his OC Chaos Raptor that has a gas mask.
It's called an osmotic gill, anon, and all the cool characters have them.
anyone else heard a rumor about a cult mechanicus/skitarii flyer in the works?
>>46425940
They've got some of the best skills in the region
>>46423914
Don't use the N-word.
>>46427379
Because gas masks, poison, DKoK, etc. I'm sorry that you're an edgelord and don't realize it but poison is edgy as fuck.
Chemical warfare is so edgy it was banned IRL. It's no different than DE and NL being edgy for enjoying torture and mutilation.
Detsroyers literally PAINT THEIR ARMOR ALL BLACK.
>>46428695
>I'm sorry that you're an edgelord and don't realize it but poison is edgy as fuck.
So snakes and spiders are edgy for having venom? I'm shocked because spiders sometimes have dewdrop hats.
>It's no different than DE and NL being edgy for enjoying torture and mutilation.
I would argue if it's something made to kill Orks who are nothing but kudzu with a bad attitude it's not wrong.
>Detsroyers literally PAINT THEIR ARMOR ALL BLACK.
And that makes it edgy?
>>46428776
>snakes and spiders are edgy
Yes. Did you think they weren't? Someone named Wicked Snake with tattoos of spiderwebs and black widows all over him doesn't strike you as edgy at all?
How about you just stop posting if you're going to be this oblivious?
>>46428776
>And that makes it edgy?
Are you retarded?
Do you not even know the basic identifiers of edge? Why do you think Shadow the hedgehog is black?
>>46428828
>Someone named Wicked Snake with tattoos of spiderwebs and black widows all over him doesn't strike you as edgy at all?
No. I would wonder why on earth he had spider related tattoos if he called himself Wicked Snake. That's false advertising.
>>46428828
Anything with black is edgy? How edgy is the Deathwatch then?
What weapons did Dantioch use in the books?
>>46426758
Actually take out the Ultras at Calth, not let Angron deploy at Istvaan allowing the defenders a chance, convince Ferrus to join (not likely, but one of the strongest things he could do) or make Sang join on Signus Prime
>>46428684
dammit vulkan i told you to get that shoe polish off your face
>>46428684
>>46429058
Vulkan isn't black, he just has the worst sunburn ever.
>>46429058
>>46429068
VulkanLIVES
>>46429021
also not let anyone escape, meaning the whole mess stays quiet and he can take his 8 legions to Terra and go for the head shot
>>46429184
True, though I can't remember if that was just Horus's failures, or if someone else let Garro and co escape by accident
>>46426758
Teleport behind the Emperor, tipping his power fedora.
>Nothing personal, father.
>>46429123
>aaaaaaaay
>>46426058
No FW is. GW is just discontinuing Shadow Force Solaq, boo hoo.
>>46428695
>Chemical warfare is so edgy it was banned IRL
The french wanted to ban the 1796 light cavalry sabre and said using it was "cheating" because of how powerful it was. So edgy it chopped arms and legs with ease.
>Anything with black is edgy? How edgy is the Deathwatch then?
Quite edgy.
>>46430019
The fucking Krauts got buttmad about us Burgerlanders using pic related in the trenches in the First World War.
>it wasn't edgy
>not until you fixed the bayonet, anyway
>>46430171
The reason why they got so assmade is because you could just hold down the trigger,work the pump and just unload the entire tube of shells. It would clear trenches pretty quickly until you were out of ammo and had to use the bayonet.
>>46430171
I wanted the bayonet to be relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuFxa9Vcbvs
>>46430242
>Germany getting assmand about slam firing pump guns in the trenches
>while they were busy writing the book on modern chemical warfare
Fuck 'em and God Bless America.
>>46430289
Such is life clearing trenches m8
>>46430289
the french started using gas first
>>46430306
>m8
Right on, my trench clearing nigga from across the pond.
Let us load the blessed double ought buckshot into the holy Winchester pump shotguns and affix their glorious bayonets, blessed in the name of Saint Micheal and Saint George.
We shall charge the enemy trenches in our eternal war against tyranny and mysticism.
And we shall feed the earth with the blood of the wicked.
>>46430171
>>46430242
>>46430247
>>46430289
>>46430306
>>46430347
>>46430378
I feel like I need to add this to my Dangle chapter.
>>46423400
Hey, /hhg/. Let's drop our fighting over who are the best and worst Primarchs and instead talk about why we like our favorite.
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
>Why do you like them so much?
>Do you play their legion?
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
With Burning Lore does the psyker have to roll for powers or do they select them?
>>46430639
Horus or Lorgar.
apparently because i like evil.
also i like horus' approach on warfare, speartip strike and such.
actually i was torn between word bearers and sons of horus, doing SoH now.
Post Heresy of course
for characters, i dont really know.MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG
>>46430695
It doesn't say you select your powers, it just turns you into a Lvl 1 Psyker, so you select powers like you normally would, ie. you roll on a table you have access to.
>>46430872
Same reason I chose SoH and the Orbital Assault rite of war
>>46430639
>Favorite Primarch?
Horus
>Why?
His tactics as mentioned. Plus I love his introduction in the first HH novel
>Do you play their legion?
Kinda, see below
>Pre or post Heresy?
Pre. I play Luna Wolves
>Character?
I really want to see the rest of the Mournival with rules. Maybe a couple of the other captains they mentionFulgrim at least had a good origin story with Ferrus
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
alpharius
>Why do you like them so much?
memes
>Do you play their legion?
maybe i do, maybe i dont, we'll never know
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
both? neither? its a mystery
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
alpharious's brother, alpharioz
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
at least alpharius has a cool snake helmet
>>46430639
Sanguinius
He's got fabulous wings and I liked his aloof nature
nope
pre-heresy and post heresy
I'd like to see some rules for the Altramentar and maybe Zso SahaalI like hazard stripes
>>46429068
>Vulkan isn't black
>>46429123
VulkanDOES NOT WALK AMONG THE DEAD
Seriously is there abetterthan Vulkan?
>>46430639
Lorgar by far. His motivations seem more human and he's not portrayed as an entirely single-minded nimwit. I considered playing Word Bearers, and did some tests with their color schemes, but nothing beyond that. Might revisit them in the future, I really like their character models.Had a nice tank named after him.
>>46426758
Easily. Despite an impressive list of fuckups he almost won anyway.
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Papa Sang.
>Why do you like them so much?
He's a straight-up good guy (pretty much every other primarch liked or respected him, as a person and/or as a warrior) but still not so perfect as to be boring (he did still have flaws).
>Do you play their legion?
Nope, got a 40k blood angels army, don't want to paint the same scheme again.
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Oh, right. Suppose that was a yes to the above question then.
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Nykona Sharrowkyn.
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
Lorgar was a man with a plan.
>>46425478
I used to be a hard-working perfectionist, better than my peers at everything, most likely to become rich and famous and successful. Now I'm a mess and I love to party. Everyone else is getting successful now, I'm only getting wasted.
>>46423494
Those faggot contemptors have to jump the wall like pussies. The God-Emperor tier MkV Castraferrum Pattern dreadnought can barge his way through the wall like a boss.
Also, unlike pussy Contemptors, Castraferrum dreadnought doesn't need to rely on some bullshit atomantic shield generator to survive combat. All Castraferrum dreadnought needs is his faith in the Emperor and 75mm of Adamantium hull plating.
>pleb tier Contemptorfags = BTFO
>glorious Castraferrum pattern = Greatest of all time.
>>46424128
>>46425478
Trust is the first step to betrayal.
>>46428928
a cave ceiling
>>46430639
>>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Russ
>>Why do you like them so much?
Super viking in space
>>Do you play their legion?
Will do once the rules are released
>>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Will be both
>>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Khalophis of the Thousand Sons
>>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
Lorgar's mace looked pretty pimping
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Lion El'Jonson
>Why do you like them so much?
Loved their catholic monestary aesthetic in 40k along with the themes of forgiveness and repentance. Both things I struggle with IRL.
>Do you play their legion?
Absolutely.
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Swapped to pre-heresy due to it being where everything is "happening" so-to-say. Also the colour scheme is baller.
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Luther.
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
>Curze
At least he had a point. Had.
Howdy chaps,
Ive set my mind on getting a flyer however I cant decide between the Xiphon or the Lightning, could any of you lovely fellows assist me in such an endeavour?
>>46432103
>forgiveness
Dude what
![Dark_Angels_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BdZbH4C.jpg "Dark_Angels_01[1].jpg")
Thinking about taking my Dark Angels to HH and I've got a few questions:
1) "half of the units have to be tank type" - so an infantry unit with a transport pays the tax for itself, but does a squadron of three tanks allow 1 non-tank unit or 3 ? Speaking of which, a Dreadnought Talon with three Dreads counts as one or three units for the purpose of the Ironwing tank-tax ?
2) is there a good non-Legion RoW for infantry blobs ? I mean three 20-Marine blobs with an Apothecary as a core of the army
>>46432103
>forgiveness
Let me guess: hit and run?
>>46432159
if a squad of preds counts for one tank then a talon of dreads should be 1 non tank
>>46432131
I'm a big fan of the Xiphon because that missile launcher is just too good.
>>46432143
They are collectively called the unforgiven. They strive to be forgiven.
>>46432131
Xiphon : Less flexible than the Lightning, has a lot of focussed anti-tank/anti-air firepower. Especially with the Strafing Run upgrade (BS5 vs ground targets)/
Primaris Lightning : about as tough as the Xiphon, but super flexible, can be fitted to kill just about anything by selecting various payloads, more limited ammo though.
>>46432159
1) Tank units are still a unit, so those 3 Predators enable a single non-tank unit. Talons are considered separate units *after deployment* and so I'd argue that they are a single unit for Ironwing purposes. It's an extremely limiting RoW, which is fair given the extreme benefits it provides.
2) Most Rites exist to break you away from the 20-man blobs, because it's generally taken as the standard way to play. The only ones with any real merit are the Outcast Sons or Orphans of Betrayal.
Alternatively you could look into Blackshields who get crazy mileage out of blobspam.
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Alpharius is my nigga.
>Why do you like them so much?
I love the whole wetwork secret agent thing the Alpha Legion have going on. The idea of an enormous superhuman that can hide amongst ordinary people tickles me.
>Do you play their legion?
Yes! I've been playing them since the HH line first came out. Proxies at first, slowly letting my list and collection evolve as releases drop. Can't wait for an actual Alpharius model.
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Post-heresy. The loyalist/traitor dynamic is the most important part of the setting, and the sheer scale of the crusade means you can write your own backstory. A tration legion can have loyalist chapters, and a loyalist legion can have traitor chapters. Plus there's the shattered legions and blackshields and all that neat stuff.
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
A SA character that isn't MaSade. He's neat, but i'd like something different to play with.
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
Magnus was a good guy to the end, ruined by circumstance.
What parts of the canon do you internally retcon to make yourself happier with 30k? I think that it's the best GW have put out and better than BL's take on it, but it's not perfect.
> Ullanor happened 4 years before Isstvan
> Headcanoned to ~27years
I hate that Horus had so little time as the Warmaster. 4 years makes his time a blip relative to the Crusade, makes his authority as Warmaster pretty unimpressive, and makes the Luna Wolves far more important than the Sons of Horus to the Crusade. It also makes Horus into a total dork by having him crack and fail after only 4 years, where his father lasted 200.
27 years gives him time to bed in as Warmaster and his authority some actual weight. It gives Russ time to take his word about Prospero. It lets him actually serve as a competent Warmaster for ~20 years before sliding into Heresy, rather than an abrupt failing. Also makes the Emperor's disappearance harder to justify.
>>46430639
>Who is your favourite Primarch?
Tough call. I would say it's neck and neck between Sangy and Khan.
>Why do you like them so much?
Sangy for being a character I can admire. He was an idealist and I like be those, it's why Superman is my favourite superhero.
Khan because he is just cool. He was a level headed Primarch, reasonable and likeable. Also loves bikes, nuff said.
>Do you play either legion?
I fucking wish. I am the most indecisive motherfucker you will ever meet. My entire time with this game has been me switching between armies and getting splinters in my arse. Hopefully I will settle with one.
>Pre- Heresy/ Post- Heresy?
Uh... the one where they were around?
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Azkaellon. Nassir Amit. Badasses.
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least.
I literally like all of them. Even the dickhead ones because I find them super interesting. But at a push... I kind of like Russ' sense of humour.
>>46432279
>Luna Wolves far more important than the Sons of Horus to the Crusade
but they were
they only took the name and colors of the sons of horus after horus had already fallen to chaos.
thats why the FW loken model is retarded, because its even said in the books that the loyalists on istvaan III defaced their armor and repainted themselves as luna wolves once more
![DP_372_flammenwerfer13[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/glpwiHm.jpg "DP_372_flammenwerfer13[1].jpg")
>>46432178
Thanks.
>>46432226
>It's an extremely limiting RoW, which is fair given the extreme benefits it provides.
You know, I'm reading it and it seems to be nice but I'm not sure how to actually use it. Plenty of Tactical squads in Rhinos going after infantry with their bolters and swords if needed and squadrons of three Predators(?) with lascannons going after enemy tanks ? Is there a point to taking anything else in this RoW ?
>Most Rites exist to break you away from the 20-man blobs, because it's generally taken as the standard way to play.
Pity. The reason I was actually hyped for HH is due to those pictures of hordes of Marines marching at each other for those giant battles but it feels as if I'm gimping myself if I don't use a RoW which grants bonuses.
>>46432371
>Pity. The reason I was actually hyped for HH is due to those pictures of hordes of Marines marching at each other for those giant battles but it feels as if I'm gimping myself if I don't use a RoW which grants bonuses.
20 man blobs are still one of the best troop options, even compared to sniper veterans as troops with pride of the legion its a toss up. i think mathematically against other legions the 20 man blobs probably mathhammer better firepower.
>>46432279
The problem there is that the first 3-4 books of the HH series were written when the whole thing was supposed to cap out at around 7-9 books, hance all of them containing major plot points (Horus immediately post-Warmaster, Horus falling, the Loyalist massacre and, obviously, The Flight of the Eisenstein). Then BL's eyes popped out of their head when they saw the profits the books were making and put the brakes on. Nowadays the accelerated timeline in the early books looks fucking absurd.
Setting HR immediately after Ullanor was just a bad decision all around, though. In the IA articles it made more sense that Horus got too big for his britches as he'd spent years and years on the campaign trail after dad retired to go run the Imperium and with a push from Chaos his victories went to his head.
>>46432539
Your comment more than any other has convinced me not to touch those books.
Thank you.
>>46432402
Is there room for inbetweeners? I was planning on making 15 man blobs, but is it all or nothing?
>>46432594
Why 15?
>>46432594
Not really, but there's not a lot of point to stop at 15. The whole point is trading off points cost vs flexibility.
A 10-man squad can take transports, poses less risk to Sweeping, and is generally easier to apply. However the first 10 men are more expensive; 150pts for a Tactical Squad with extra dudes being only 10pts each.
The whole point is that by locking yourself out of good transport options, you get cheaper dudes. 15 is still too big for a ride but nor have you really made the most of your cheap dudes.
You can always look at Sons of Horus Reavers, those are capped to 15 men and are basically Super-Tacticals.
Oooor Blackshields.
>>46432594
15 man blobs are a decent comprimise that is usually the result of about 50-100pts needing to be cut to make room for more specialised tools.
None the less, it is not something that will be easy to remove from objectives without tools (ignore cover AP3- blasts namely). Odds are they're aren't quite enough of them to absorb the casualties needed to cross no-mans land, if your FLGS is light on terrain.
>>46432539
So, odds on them redoing Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy In Flames with each of them becoming a trilogy in its own right?
>>46432669
Good heavens no. They become a mini-series.
Can a Questoris Knight army work at 1.5k?
>>46432182
>>46432195
Thank you chaps, will be taking this into consideration!
>>46432650
Autism...
>>46432722
Also, remember that the lightning can take penetrator missiles, of which a full salvo is sure to fuck up just about anything they hit, and if there's a lot of AA, you can load it with bombs and drop them before the enemy can retaliate with Interceptors.
But both are sure to be prime targets for enemy AA and with AV11 and 2HP, they're not going to last for very long.
>>46432539
Yeah it's why reading the first few books is kind of odd, because they just don't fit in with the rest of the series.
I mean, Fulgrim has the legions at 10,000 marines instead of 100,000 each
Someone needs to stick this in the next OP
https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
>>46426108
Eastern European architecture
>>46423400
Has anybody tried painting EC in 40k colours to signify their decline around the time of the siege of terra?
I was just thinking I am two steps from liking ECs heresy colours, when that thought struck me.
If anyone had any examples I would appreciate it. I need some inspiration.
>>46426196
Pssst..nothin personnel, kid
>>46433579
You forgot "my feet hurt" but good job.
>>46433655
Lel.
Props for originality.
>>46433411
>i have two allegiances
>most loyal legion you'll ever meet
>twisted fucking psychopath
>>46433411
Shame they had to go looking like a teenage girl's bedroom.
Do you think it's possible during the Heresy Emprah worshiping cults sprung up and tried to take control of their local governments?
>>46433116
The hardback doesn't.
>>46433874
We know for a fact they did because Lorgar discovered one, which was the key to him writing the Lectito Divinitus.
Anyone happen to know if the helbrute is viable to convert into 30k? I happen to own 3 and have no use for them other than perhaps convert them into some late heresy traitor legion
>>46434007
Sure just say they are chaos corrupted leviathans.
>>46434025
you must mean chaos shrunk leviathans
>>46434042
Hey it's chaos.
>>46433972
So using priests, SoBs, and Redemptionists for Man Emperor worshiping cultists would be a-okay?
>>46434007
Have to be box dreads, nothing else is simile large sized enough. Leviathans are twice the size so will cause game issues for cover/LOS
>>46434007
Snapfit one or full kit?
I imagine the full kit would look good with Word Bearers as a possessed tin can of some kind. Don't think it would fit in with anyone else.
The snapfit one requires such extensive work to not look retarded I wouldn't bother. It's also super-cheap anyway, ghetto rats should stick to cardboard cutouts if they want to be cheap.
Soooo byutiful!!!!
How could they fuck him up this bad?
>>46434461
>oh, look, another "it's cheap and thus shit" asshole
>in /hhg/
>who would have guessed
>>46434471
He's seen the CSM dex.
>>46434062
Probably, sisters are the inly worrysome thing since they wear power armour. The others fit magnificently, especially Redemptionists.
>>46434562
Caliban had some power armor.
>The others fit magnificently, especially Redemptionists
They really do.
>Klovis will never use Martian death rays
It hurts.
>>46434511
Well, it is pretty shit, and also pretty cheap, but it's not as cheap as cardboard. If you're going to be economic, you should at least go full-on jew master race, not stop at halfway measures like cruddy snapfit models that don't fit the Heresy look and ruin the IMMERSION for everyone else or chinese model pirates that probably pollute more than the brits and sell your info. Probably.
There's nothing wrong with using cheaper plastics as long as you put some effort into making it appropriate for the era. Even a lot of CSM bits are quite handy if toned down a little.
But just imagine: would you be impressed if you saw 9 snap-fit Helbrutes and some fuck said "yeah, it's my contemptor talons" like it wasn't even a thing?
There's a reason why ghetto hoodlums are frowned upon.
>>46434651
count to 10, anon.
>>46434025
Leviathans might be too big as anon mentioned but thanks for the suggestion
>>46434461
>>46434199
One snap fit and two boxes, also the word bearers would be my choice of legion.
The reason for me asking is that I want a small side project and happens to have several helbrutes collecting dust.
>>46434651
You really think the plastic contemptor doesn't fit the HH aesthetic? Seriously?
>>46434651
>strawmaning this hard
>>46434837
He's talking about the helbrute.
>>46434651
>anon asks if helbrutes could be used as 30k Chaos dreads
>faggot throws a tantrum about poorfag scum ruining the game by fielding 9 unconverted snap-fit helbrutes as contemptors
Fucking kill yourself.
>>46434944
Oh, right.
>>46434944
Lets be real, the plastic snap-fit contemptor is cheap and shit as well.
>>46435055
The only difference is poseability and legion specifics.
If you can't peg that into being good that's your problem.
>>46435055
It's snap fit design is certainly a point against it.
I never got B@C anyway. There is MK4 armour EVERYWHERE in my lgs and it turned me off it altogether. Which is a pity as it was my favourite Mark.
Now MK6 and MK3 would probably be my favourite.
>>46435079
>expecting poorfag jews to put any effort into the hobby
They should all just die in a fire and stop ruining everything.
>>46435129
Stop baiting and shitposting please.
>>46435055
Well at least it's relatively easy to improve.
>>46435129
Poorfags? I thought jews were rich.
>>46435102
It's funny how not so long ago it was everyone's favorite mark.
Hey ran into a debate at my LGS, help from you elegan/tg/entlemen appreciated.
The kakophany rules read as:
Bio-psychic Shock: Keep track of how many wounds are caused
on a particular unit by weapons with this special rule separately.
At the end of the Shooting phase, all units with Leadership values
and who do not have the Fearless rule that have suffered I or
more unsaved wounds from weapons with the Bio-psychic Shock
special rule must take a Leadership test with a negative modifier
equal to the wounds they suffered. So, for example, a unit which
suffered 3 wounds from weapons with the Bio-psychic Shock
special rule would take the test at -3.
Now as the EC player I assumed that the wound count would wipe at the end of the shooting phase, but my opponent (Ultramarines if you care) thought that the count was ongoing as it never said the re-set the count.
I won the 4+ so we went with the re-sets every phase ruling, but having a consensus would be better for the future and some impute from you lot would be much appreciated.
>>46435102
I'm just lucky my Legion used a bunch of mk4
>>46435322
"Must take a leadership test with a negative modifier"
You are right. He's a faggot.
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Alpharius-Omegon
>Why do you like them so much?
Choice. I think thay the multiple possibilities that FW gives us really helps to make AL Your Dudes. Fluff giving you the choice to choose an interepretation out of many is my favorite kind, like the most recent addition to the Legion of the Damned fluff.
>Do you play their legion?
Indeed I do.
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Pre-heresy, as in, until the end of heresy is pre heresy for me. I play them as loyalists, so under the command of Omegon, as he's why the AL sometimes helped loyalists for me
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Well, them having few named characters anyway doesn't help,but I prefer to make my own tacticool leader anyway.
>Fulgrim and his legion has a bitchin armor design, but I hate their colors. Their sleek weapon design make for great contrast with Astartes armor.
>>46435322
The way it is worded he is right. I am not aware of any 40k rule that wipes effects at the end of every turn either. Doesn't seem like it is intended to work that way though. One more for the FAQ I suppose.
What I find the oddest about your story is that your opponent was insisting you do more damage than you thought was right.
>>46435322
I'd go with your interpretation.
Leadership Tests caused by shooting are taken at the end of the shooting phase, I'd certainly assume it would then wipe the score, as it only applied to that phase.
If it was an ongoing Tally like with the Nurgle daemon character, it would most likely note it quite clearly.
Is there any point in fielding Breachers without a transport outside of ZM?
>>46435154
>pic related
>>46430639
>Who is your favorite Primarch?
Fulgrim
>Why do you like them so much?
Pre-Heresy he was all about culture, efficiency, and constantly improving yourself/your legion. Post-Heresy he is an asshole who never suffers from his actions with the highest primarch kill count.
>Do you play their legion?
Yes
>Pre-heresy or post-heresy?
Pre-Heresy
>Any character you want that doesn't have rules yet?
Fabius Bile, don't care for Lucius
>Say something good about the Primarch you like the least
Lorgar never lost his head around Fulgrim.
>>46435206
A part of heresy players are basically hipsters of Warhammer - scum that deserve to be shot
>>46435488
Depends, fluff reasons like being IF.
Raven Guard and Alpha Legion can Infiltrate (+possibly scout too) up the table. EC can do that too I suppose, if Fulgrim is present.
Even Infiltrated + scouted on top of an objective with gravguns in range I am not all sure it's worth the points as in the shooting phase they don't really die slower than tacticals.
>>46435536
This is very true. I myself was a massive one until very recently, when I finally stopped being a retard and finally admitted that I actually loved the Ultramarines.
Now I am trying to stop myself from being such a faggot.
>>46435572
The battle never ends for you.
>>46435345
>>46435420
>>46435421
I'll go with how I've been playing it for now, as it seams like the obvious RAI.
This discussion came from an off comment about how the effect wouldn't do much to a Ld10 army, and he felt like correcting me.
Thanks /hhg/.
>>46435536
I wonder how many of them had 40k Red Scorpion armies just for the privilege of owning a MkIV army, unlike the plebs and their non-MkIV models.
>>46435598
It doesn't. I shall always be a massive faggot at heart.
"Celine Dion plays loudly in the background.*
>>46435624
Heh I was one.
In my defence, Red Scorpions are fucking cool and have bitching armour and colours.
What was the Space Wolves paint scheme pre heresy?
I have seen the colours but I don't know what paints were used.
Could a fellow son of Russ throw me a bone? (Hue)
>>46435889
Did someone really convert curze into a wolf? That's kind of funny.He looks better like that.
>>46435958
Huh shit I only noticed that.
>>46435102
If hipster unique snowflaking is all it takes to change your preference, you've never really had a favorite at all
>>46436215
Probably, yeah.
Always have loved beakies though.
>>46435569
I'm an IF player who runs PotL and Sniper Vets, but I've been looking into buying Breachers so I can run The Stone Gauntlet RoW and I have to unfortunately agree with you. (The models are still kickass, so I'm still going to buy 'em.)
Tacticals are 150 for 10, +10 / additional marine.
Breachers are 225 for 10, +10 / additional marine.
+ Boarding Shields (Defensive Grenades)
+ Boarding Shields (6++, 5++ Save in melee)
- Boarding Shields (Cannot get extra attack for additional CCW)
+ Hardened Armour (Re-roll armour saves against template and blast)
- Hardened Armour (Charge, sweeping advance, and run -1")
- No Fury of the Legion
+ Access to more wargear than Tacticals
I'm honestly of the opinion that Hardened Armour is useless outside ZM because most blast weapons targeted on marines ignores their armour save anyway, thus bypassing the re-roll bonus (unless there's someone going around spamming Tempest bolts that I don't know about).
Ultimately, Breacher squads just don't strike me at 75 points better than Tacticals. 2 Breacher squads don't compare to 3 Tactical squads (thought the +1 T and Hammer of Wrath from The Stone Gauntlet helps... for me at least).
>>46435889
According to Index Astartes, pic related.
>>46436374
Holy shit that's so fucking cool.
>>46435572
>I myself was a massive one until very recently, when I finally stopped being a retard and finally admitted that I actually loved the Ultramarines.
You say it as if you had come out of the closet...oooohhh
>>46436263
I always wondered how they would be if they were, say, 175pts. for the first 10, without Hardened Armour, and got to buy it for 25pts. for the whole unit like heavy support squads.
I was mainly asking whether I should just keep the 15 I got and have them gather dust in the hopes of a ZM game, or if there's any chance of having 20 of them be of any use in regular games.
>>46436503
Kek.
>>46436263
Well, with cameleoline (prolly from a vigilator) and apothecary in cover they are also going to be very tough to kill in the shooting phase. Though that is nothing a Tactical squad couldn't replicate.
They are really all about dying slowly in melee I suppose. 4 Gravguns can effectively threaten some vehicles once they are sitting on an objective.
The problem is that everything you can do to make a Breacher squad more effective works just as well, if not better, on a Tactical squad.
And sadly the +1T from Stone Gauntlet still won't let you roll FnP against medusa pie plates.
Good evening fellow Horus heretics. What models have you worked on today?
>>46436664
Night Lord or Blackshield?
Does anyone know the name of the loyalist DG Dread that blew himself up with a captain when they were being virus bombed at Isstavan III
>>46436657
Dorido with the shield enhancer? Would give them 5++ vs. shooting.
>>46436678
Night Lord.
>>46436716
Yeah but then you're just taking a bad unit just to make another bad unit better..
>>46436510
What about putting an apothecary in the unit? increases their chances of surviving.
>>46436741
>Pavaise Deredeo
>Bad unit
I take mine with plasma and pavaise. Although I don't use Breachers, I use it with Cataphractii for 3++, with 4++ for the dread itself. It endures.
>>46436741
>Dorido
>bad
Since when?
>>46436707
Rylanor the Ancient?
