Pathfinder General - /pfg/
"Make a contract with the qlippoth and become a magical girl!" edition: remove sin by any means necessary, but remember to stay pure, because babies are forbidden!
Unified /pfg/ link repository:
>http://pastebin.com/YhdxTQS6
Ultimate Intrigue leaks:
>classes: http://imgur.com/a/tlwEX
>feats: http://imgur.com/a/PA4eT
>items: http://imgur.com/a/RzJiF
Old Thread: >>46349833
>>46358707
>implying the priestess elf didn't use prestidigitation to clean him before and after.
>implying she wasn't on top
>>46358713
That wouldn't even hurt him.
What's the point of it all, lads?
Does wild arcana let you ignore material components?
>>46358699
>making a contract with the Qlippoth
>becoming CE
>not being the Chosen One ofIomedae
>>46358744
pretending to fuck elves
>>46357769
Like I got cash to burn. Feels pretty alright.
>>46357776
Gotchu covered.
>>46357787
>>46357978
I'll get to that.
>>46357859
Unfortunately no, this is focusing mostly on the lesser deities.
>>46357883
Literally the entire book bruh. Give me time.
>>46357965
Nope, different person. I did post Hell's Vengeance though.
>>46358770
>Disagree or question your patron
>Become CE
No Buildposting below this line!
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>>46358742
On one hand, it is kind of silly, but on the other, it does kind of amuse me to imagine someone with DR 15/Magic or so just wading through an entire military's crossbow fire until someone finds some magic weapon oil, at which point they can instead settle for mildly inconveniencing him.
>>46358826
>15-year-old Chosen One who has only ever known Her teachings
>ever disagreeing with or questioning her
>>46358826
It amazes me the amount of senseless hate she gets. Some people really just want any excuse to hate on paladins.
>>46358742
could we...not? please?
>>46358826
>remember those old arguments
such a simpler time.
>>46358829
>this line
>two lines
now I am confused.
>>46358859
/pfg/ does tend to go after particular gods from time to time, but in defense of this particular case, it was a REALLY shittily written encounter.
>>46358881
>>46358829
It's one line if you expand the image!
>>46358818
I was about to post nonsense, idiotic adventuring garb like in >>46358583, but go ahead anyway.
I will always have another time to post those.
>>46358844
>15 year old girls never disagreeing with or questioning authority
>If only your sisters or daughters did this
>>46358859
It's because she is a woman.
>>46358744
Only a man borne of equal parts conviction and humility, can possess the determination to strength of character to know for certain. And by the strength of his chosen code and the faith therein, may cause the world to shape itself around his determination and character through strength of will alone, for he now has the existential incentive to do so and apply such meaning and definition in life
>>46358770
I'd rather be pure and CE than serve some LG dragonfucking slut, anon.
>>46358699
Is making a contact with the qlippoth actually a thing?
>>46358818
>>46357787
So first things first, Sivanah. She does, in fact, have a Trumpet Archon as her herald. It's also a heresy to ask her why she wears the mask.
>>46358913
that can't be entirely...
>>46358927
goddammit
>Basic Telekinesis
>This ability is similar to mage hand, except you can move an object that weighs up to 5 pounds per 2 kineticist levels you possess (minimum 5 pounds), and you can move magical objects. Additionally, you can create a container of entwined strands of aether in order to hold liquids or piles of small objects of the same weight. You can dip the container to pick up or drop a liquid as a move action. If you possess the extended range wild talent, you can increase the range of basic telekinesis to medium range and increase the rate of movement to 30 feet per round, and if you possess the extreme range wild talent, You can increase the range of basic telekinesis to long range and increase the rate of movement to 60 feet per round. You can also use your basic telekinesis to duplicate the effects of the open/close cantrip.
>Telekinetic Haul
>When using basic telekinesis, you can move an object that weighs up to 100 pounds per kineticist level you possess. When using your telekinetic blast, you can throw an object weighing up to 100 pounds per kineticist level you possess, but this doesn't increase the damage. If you accept 1 point of burn, the maximum weight increases to 1,000 pounds per kineticist level you possess and the duration increases to 1 minute per kineticist level you possess.
>Mage Hand
>You point your finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move action, you can propel the object as far as 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between you and the object ever exceeds the spell's range.
Aether kineticists who weigh less than 400 or so pounds can have 30 foot flight without caring about the Fly rules starting at level 4. Discuss.
>>46358973
It specifically says objects like 30 times
>>46358973
Creatures aren't objects unless they're dead, anon. Granted, that's not a hard state to achieve as a kineticist, but...
>>46358973
People aren't objects numbnuts
>>46358947
Also Obediences, for that other anon. Kind of mech, but Illusive Revenge sounds like some good trolling.
>>46358927
>not wanting to be a mid-thirties Chosen One who grew out of their innocent and naive phase to become a mighty defender of all that is just and good, and who eventually settled down to make a family with a silver dragon ojou
>>46358973
So you're using what, your standard AND your move to do this every round?
Don't see a problem at all if that's the case. Certainly no worse than using levitation and pushing yourself off walls.
>>46358993
>>46359001
>>46359002
They absolutely are, actually. Go on, look at other spells for the same thing. "Object" means "physical thing that exists". If it's only for creatures, effects say creatures. If it's only for non-creatures, effects specify nonliving. "Object" includes people.
>>46358993
>>46359001
>>46359002
Consider he could be standing on a sewer cover or the like, though. That's what I was assuming.
Mage hand is move action to move stuff, and uses concentration. Standard to initialize as well.
>>46358955
I'm not about to worship Socothbenoth either. Purity is an ideal that transcends alignment and gender and mortality andsanity!
>>46358818
>Milani
>no Dammerich
Dangit all!
Oh well, requesting Groetus. I want to see if it offer advice on how to play a CG follower of his
>>46358818
>Milani
NO
NO
NO
NONO
>>46359009
Thanks, anon.
Could you show off Groetus for me?
>>46359061Tsurara best nurarihyon.
>>46358818
I want to know more about GIANT MURDER MANTIS OF DOOOOOOOOOOM.
>>46359009
Now for some Apsu, starting with Obediences. Go for a nice walk, then get bonuses for it. Also you can make a permanent animated object buddy, so that's pretty neat. Also dat Chromatic Scourge, that's some good shit for fighting dragons.
>>46359074
Dammerich has a relatively big splat in Chronicles of the Righteous, in case you weren't aware.
>>46359209
Thanks anon, now I have hunt that down
>>46358947
>flirts with Norgorber and keeps secrets for him
>doesn't give Cayden the time of day
Nice to see that best goddess also has good taste.
>assumes direct control of Kuthonite shadow spells just to fuck with them
>herald likes to show up in response to failed summons just to make everything worse
I'm beginning to feel like Sivanah is the main reason Nidal's thousand-year empire hasn't managed to expand beyond a single tiny chunk of southern Varisia.
>>46359074
>>46359122
Big angry moon you say? Got you covered there.
>>46359177
Huh, that's pretty neat. Thanks anon!
>>46359292
Little known fact, Groetus is also the god of barbeque get-togethers.
>>46359358
Back to Moonman, here's a brief look into his church if you want to try making a Good follower of his.
>>46359292
>his obedience is literally being a Doomsayer
WE ARE BUT MAGGOTS,
WRIIIIIIIITHING IN THE FILTH OF OUR OWN CORRUPTION!
>>46359434
Bit more. Also, ignoring the skulls, that's a pretty good looking priestess I got to say. Or including the skulls. I'm not choosy.
>>46359498
I do appreciate how one of the sayings is "Ruin for Everything". Very simple.
Any recommendations for killing rakshasas? Their AC is damn high, their SR is borderline impenetrable, and their DR is a nightmare to deal with when one can only prepare so many align weapons...
At this point my only idea is to summon monsters, likely a Xill, and instead of trying to hurt it, spam all the claw attacks with the hopes of getting a free grapple off and try really really hard to get that paralysis bite off.
>>46358993
>>46359001
>>46359002
You lift the thing you're standing on.
>>46359019
Ah fuck, I knew I forgot something. Well, with Telekinetic Haul you can take 1 burn to increase the duration from Concentration to 1 minute per level. That's pretty useless on a normal kineticist though; guess it'd just be for DSP kineticists.
>>46359054
Objects aren't creatures.
>>46359517
And finally his herald. I'll be back shortly with angry mantis god.
>>46359556
>You lift the thing you're standing on.
>Literally playing Static Shock
eh, I can dig it.
>>46359054
Nah, BS. Things that can affect creatures or objects specify creatures or objects. Do you think Obscure Object can be cast on a creature? Come on.
Also
>Target or Targets
>Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself.
Clearly different things.
>>46359675
Great, now I know the perfect way to play a CG worshipper of Groetus
>>46359019
Where is the standard action being used?
>>46359145
Sorry anon, I couldn't find anything about Achaekek. What I DID find, on the other hand, was this thing about a Kamen Rider villain.
Can we get some Zyphus up in here?
>>46359788
I'd done that very thing before, but am only now realizing the similarities to sithrak worship.
thank you anon.
>>46359872
>no penalties on attack rolls from twf with sawtooth sabres
This I can get behind.
Erastil Wherastil?
>>46359939
>>46359882
Hell yeah you can, motherfucker. Give me a minute to rip the pages.
>>46359859
Concentrating on the SLA. Anyone know of a way around that?
>>46359975
<- Thereastil.
>>46359978
Oh, mage hand takes concentration to use despite taking a move action to actually move things. I never realized that, that seems stupid.
>>46359939
>anonymous
I didn't know 4chan was a hotbed for Mantis worship
>>46359924
I think it could be the same for Tharizdun (Oerth) and Shar (Toril).
>>46360010
I bet you didn't know that the 13 most deadly assassins are also chicks. Possibly also druids.
Side note: There should be an archetype to turn you into a giant mantis monster.
GIVE US KURGESS I NEED HIM
I NEED HIM RIGHT NOW
GIVE HIM TO ME
Original Zyphus article from Iron Gods for reference
>>46360059
One thing I have to say about this book, it's got a ton of waifus. At least I assume that's a waifu. That's a chick, right?
>>46360098
As a result of the Red Mantis operation losing most of its funds, Achaekek's herald occasionally moonlights as a Godzilla monster when assassinations are slow.
>>46360124
I want to kill that bug.
Can I kill that bug?
>>46360124
All things considered Kamen Rider Murdermantis is a pretty bro god, you know? Looks out for his homies.
>>46360143
Heralds are CR 15 unless it's one of the weird exceptions like the Tarrasuqe
So yeah
>>46360098
>in order for martials/non-divine casters to progress in rank you need to take 1 level in Red Mantis Assassin
Shitty church.
>>46359882
KNOCK KNOCK. WHO'S THERE? JUST ZYPHUS, BEST GOD COMING THROUGH.
>>46360143
>>46360158
It's been suggested that 'herald who looks like and is often mistaken for Achaekek' is a wink-nudge reference to the no-longer-canon CR 30 Achaekek statblock from Curse of the Crimson Throne, so Tarrasque-tier might not be too far off from the truth...
Hey guys! Just wanted to show up to say I appreciate all the responses and thought on the Light handbook.
Unfortunately, in what is really terrible timing, I've been hit with food poisoning. So, my own replies may be a bit slow over the next couple of days. But I am trying to keep track of what is said, and think about it when I'm not feeling too loopy.
>>46360216
Seriously though, given how much /pfg/ hates Pharasma you guys should be all up on this skele-dick.
>>46360091
Good god that guy is a prick.
Could I have some help with statting a Harpy race?
Our GM for a soon-to-be campaign was alright with the idea of me playing one of the children of my character from a different campaign (Jade Regent, with pic related).
I tried for refluffing perhaps the Strix or even a Plumekith Aasimar, but we agreed that neither were a very good fit, stat-wise. Being a cool guy, he let me pitch a homebrew race, so I've been looking over the bestiary entry of a default harpy to come up with the ideas.
Based on their basic stat block and their description/tactics, harpies lean towards trickery and feigned seduction to draw in prey, which is a pretty obvious +2 to Charisma.
On the other hand, they're savage and not all too bright by base, so a -2 to Intelligence makes sense.
And +2 to Dexterity...because they're birds? Not sure on that one.
An 80 foot fly speed seems pretty crazy to have at first level. Maybe something tamer at earlier levels, that scales with HD?
A big one is their Captivating Song ability. Should it be ripped verbatim from the monster entry, or tweaked with player use in mind?
Is there anything obvious I'm forgetting for harpies that would fit a playable race?
>>46360214
Don't be such a casual, anon. Achaekek of all beings knows that casters are the master race, so he has to ensure that his followers have at least a little magical potential in them.
>>46360255
He doesn't seem like a very fun god really
Whereas Urgathoa is "fuck you Pharasma I do what I want", Zyphus is "fuck you Pharasma I'm gonna go embody futility and pointless death"
>>46360255
Any antipaladin takers? Your job is to create as much collateral damage as possible, should be easy.
>>46360255
Sorry Zyphus, but I've already been seduced away by Mahathallah and her top-tier soul anchor insurance policy.
...hey wait, is Zyphus just Mayhem from those old commercials?
>>46360234
Goodness. I hope you get well soon.
>>46360306
I mean apart from being roommates, Zyphus' realm is also a giant "fuck you" to Pharasma. He at least puts some effort into it.
>>46360338
You're not wrong.
>>46360234
THIS IS DIVINE RETRIBUTION
THUS TO ALL TRIPFAGS
>>46360255
Nah, he's a waste. Instead of using his righteous indignation and newfound godhood to become a God of Just deaths and second chances, he instead acts like a prick to everyone, and tries to make people just as miserable and angsty as himself.
He's essentially the /r9k/ of the Golarion Gods
>>46360381
Other note: followers of Zyphus in your party are "that guy". The only god with a real-world following.
>>46360437
And finally, for some reason one of his planar allies is a 4th-level Inquisitor who likes to pretend to be a vampire. I don't even know.
>>46360255
Ahaha Galt is one of his most common places of worship. Viva la revolution?
>>46360484
The holy tome is literally copypasta.
>>46360381
>Zyphen psionicists with Guide the Willing
"It's terminal, sir. It's going to be long, slow, and drawn out. You're going to suffer immensely, and put undue burden on your family. Or, if you prefer, I can painlessly guide you into the afterlife."
>hfw it was just a sprain
Pls be Kurgess next.
>>46360255
>verbally reject any God associated with these wrongs
But isn't the one God most likely to cause these wrongs and pointless deaths Zyphus himself? How is the Obedience supposed to work if you're verbally rejecting Zyphus, or is it one of those things where you are expected to project all your problems on people who are unrelated?
Man, this book makes Zyphus sound less cool, and more like that whiny emo hot-topic kid we all knew in middle school
>>46360255
I never understood him having the Plant domain. Why not Luck to represent the whims of chance?
>>46360546
>implying that wasn't always the point
>>46360065
Right, so Kurgess? Got you there
>>46360600
He plants the seeds of your doom.
>>46360600
So he can have the Decay subdomain presumably.
>>46360255
>Zyphus's obedience is literally posting on r/atheism and flipping your fedora in public.
Reminds me of that one edgelord Android from that book of optional AP NPCs
I can just smell the cheeto dust from here.
>>46360546
He was never cool. Heck, they literally described him as a mosquito that the other gods can't be bothered to deal with.
Zyphus was always the junior partner in the Abaddon Alliance. The only one more desperate than him is Ahriman, and if Naderi ever joined she'd probably be promoted over Little Z within a week.
>>46360600
It's solely so they could give him Decay as a subdomain.
>>46360622
Inside your woman, no less.
>>46360622
>>46360091
>I had it ruined for me, so now I have to ruin it for everyone else, its only fair, waah
>>46360618
Birgh! Birgh please!
>>46360686
>>I had it ruined for me, so now I have to ruin it for everyone else, its only fair, waah
Well yeah? Why should others be happy and lived fulfilled lives when you get to know that you LITERALLY died and suffered for nothing?
>>46360091
>The deity with cathedrals dedicated to her is also the same deity with a symbol that looks just like a cross
PAIZO STOP IT.
>>46360618
Farmer's Brawn is kind of meh, but you know, at least it's got uses and fits the fuck out of a strong guy who helps his friends.
>>46360732
>>46360618
I wanna fuck that demigod.
>>46360732
Kurgess ascended by sacrificing himself in the name of fair play. I can appreciate that.
>>46359566
Cool, all this stuff about Groetus is really pretty interesting. More importantly, it doesn't contradict any of the lore I've built up in my head for Groetus, which is good since he kinda features importantly in a campaign I've been working on making.
>>46360784
>Paladins of Kurgess
>>46360781
>>46360784
Would you rather fuck the demigod or her?
>>46360781
>>46360812
Or maybe the demigod. I believe he's packing because stuffing that would be considered cheating.
>>46360686
Zyphus says:
Is Iomedae willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then she is not omnipotent.
Is she able, but not willing?
Then she is malevolent.
Is she both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is she neither able nor willing?
Then why call her a God?
>>46360833
Goodness
>>46360618
>the two dieties half-mortal son
Umm.... so is there like some cucking/step-parenting going on, or like,,,?
>>46360844
Or he was conceived when Cayden was still a mortal.
>>46360841
>Is Iomedae willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>Then she is not omnipotent.
Yeah, it's this one, that's kind of how it works when there's a million gods, good job r/atheism you solved the case.
>>46360833
>>46360812
>>46360805
>Paladins of Kurgess are jovial, athletic bros that keep the clothing to a minimum and the friendliness to the max
This god was made for me.
>>46360833
Kurgess: So bro he killed a chimera, then brought it back to life so it could help out.
>>46360875
Just going to finish up Big K with the non-cena images.
>>46360629
>>46360654
Okay, that I can see, but they've given subdomains to deities who don't have matching domains before. I believe Kostchtchie has the Ice subdomain, but not the Water domain.They could have dropped Plant, given Zyphus Luck, then traded Undead for Decay.
Oh well, c'est la vie. I'll just houserule it.
>>46360902
>>46360833
>his holy text is the Guinness Book of World Records
Paladin of Kurgess HERE I COME
>>46360708
I assume you were asking for Brigh, so here's some robutt.
>>46360990
Look at dat robo-ass.
>>46360875
>Kurgess confirmed for banging Qadirans
Poor girls, if that bulge is any indication they were in for a wild ride.
>>46360990
I had never head of Dimensional Bounce before now. Interesting spell. Also
>you can affect constructs with magic as if they were living creatures
>>46360863
Oh right.
Huh. In that case, impressive on Cayden's part. Bang a goddess then ascend yourself. Fricken bards, man.
>>46361050
So basically Brigh is the leader of a bunch of people in a post-"I Robot" world.
>>46361057
Cayden is the most successful person to ever utter the phrase "Hold my beer".
>>46361087
Speaking of robutt, look at this artificial waifu
>>46360844
>>46360863
>>46361057
Anon, deities can't just spawn more deities out of thin air, or we'd be overrun with them by now. All children of gods are half-mortal, because their soulstuff has to go incarnate in a body like all the other new souls do. It's just potent enough that they get to be super ripped and have packages beyond the ken of normal humans.
Can we get Alseta info?
>>46361142
Not much to see here, although the fact that the entire religion does taxes with Abadar to make sure there are no fuckups is amusing.
>>46360870
>Yeah, it's this one, that's kind of how it works when there's a million gods, good job r/atheism you solved the case.
Then they are all equally as powerless to help the cause of men in any meaningful way. At the end of the day the god's are cluster fuck of squabbling super powerful outsiders that fuck mortals over when they do things they don't like despite their "non intervention" agreement. They help only when it's convenient for them, not out of compassion for mortals, but to fulfill their own fetishistic compulsions.
Frankly, Clerics of Zyphus don't make sense. If I could rewrite him, I would make it so that he guides mortals to discredit the value of divine casters. He encourages Alchemical and non magical medicine in place of miracles.
He would encourage his followers to aid others in need, but to discredit the works of the gods and their churches whilst doing so. They wouldn't deny the gods, but they would paint most of them as being abusive and using of humans. Only papa Zyphus is looking out for you because unlike Caydeen the hedonist. Instead of retreating to paradise he still stands with mortals amongst the filth and grime.
I guess I would make him that guy that got hurt once and is obsessed with making sure that no one hurts like him again, but to a detrimental degree/insane degree.
WHEN'S GHLAUNDER just kidding nobody cares about bug god
>>46361188
And finally allies, including not!Adam Jensen.
>>46361142
>Even the doll, should it please you.
>>46360902
Requesting Dahak next!
>>46361173
You sure as shit can. Hope this means something to you, because I have no idea who she is.
>>46361242
So she's Golarion Janus? With a lot of Passwall stuff.
>>46361263
Ohh, that makes sense. Elf-gate using knifears probably worship her hard.
>>46361283
Her temples are a bunch of mazes and doors. Sounds like she would fit right in at Sigil.
>>46361320
There's also a bunch of weirdos with masks, although this one's a qt from the looks of things. Just means doggy is awkward.
Any chance we could get the whole Sivanah section next?
>>46361347
Finally, who wants to learn about a two-headed mutant blink dog?
>>46361201
Given how wildly different various Clerics can interpret the same god, I'd say your version has just as much legitimacy as the jackass version depicted in the book.
There's a Cleric of Zon-Zon who believes Zon took all that horrible blackness into himself to prevent both he AND his sister from becoming villains. And that Cleric still gets spells from Zon-Zon, which means some part of what he believes has it right.
It's obvious Paizo doesn't intend for anyone to actually play a worshiper of Zyphus, so they wrote him to be as wonky and contradictory as possible.
But my favorite Zyphus Cleric is still this one. Pic Related.
>>46361361
Sure, I'll dump the rest before I go on to Ghlaunder.
>>46361397
Oh god damnit, Sivanah I love you but
>THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM
>>46361397
>GNOMES
>>46361397
Many thanks, anon.
>>46361431
Some of you might remember this from before. I apologize for reminding you.
>>46361148
Not all non-mortals are necessarily deities. I'm pretty sure outsiders count as immortals in this context.
>>46361148
>tfw you will never get as big a package as Kurgess without winning the celestial lottery.
>>46361487
And this wraps up Sivanah. Next up, a disgusting insect! No, not Achaekek.
>>46361208
I care a little bit...
>>46361548
Yay!
>>46361385
>Given how wildly different various Clerics can interpret the same god Given how wildly different various Clerics can interpret the same god
This always bugged me. Especially considering how fucking worshipers of good gods can kill each other of interpretation and there is no intervention what so fucking ever(looking at you Saranrae). Do God's just not oversee who gets spells unless someone really, REALLY fucks up?
But that's an issue I have with Divine classes in general, they literally attempt to codify Dues Ex Machinas and that's just a nightmare. I kinda like the obedience system.
Something like Dungeon Crawl's religion system.
>you get Faith points for doing certain actions that align with your god
>you cash in Faith points to preform miracles/get divine assistance or get advantages for having high faith points
>Faith points degrade after a certain amount of time(depends on god/alignment?)
>if you commit a transgression or run out of faith points you begin to lose favor with the god. Depending on the Deity this may just mean not getting help or this may mean you're ass is getting smited on occasion.
As opposed to the current system of
>Ayy yo, let me in on some mo-fucking miracles. I didn't rape any peasants recently and my buddy has this rash...
>>46361201
>Then they are all equally as powerless to help the cause of men in any meaningful way. At the end of the day the god's are cluster fuck of squabbling super powerful outsiders that fuck mortals over when they do things they don't like despite their "non intervention" agreement. They help only when it's convenient for them, not out of compassion for mortals, but to fulfill their own fetishistic compulsions.
welcome to pagan pantheons anon.
none of this is new news.
The reason the ancient world revered them was not out of love but of fear and need. If Baal doesn't bring rain, then we starve. So make him like you, make him sympathetic, guilt trip him, make him feel in the mood for fertility-making by enacting a bunch of porn for him, brownnose the everloving balls off of him, suck him dry or at least as close as you can get considering his ever-bountiful seed. Whatever it takes, do it, because we need rain, we need crops, and we need healthy babies.
Its part of what made abrahamic monotheism seem so different. It doesn't operate under the same framework. It's all "Okay, don't be a bunch of jerks, drop those fake pagan asses, and be generally appreciative for what I give you, including a few minor rituals to remind you cause I know you'll forget or take it for granted in a couple years and I'm trying to make this a longterm thing, and I'll make sure you're taken care of.
"Yup, all by myself, no more appealing to 10-20 different patently unreliable guys all supposedly controlling different vital aspects of your life, One-stop-shopping, isn't that neat."
>>46361201
>If I could rewrite him, I would make it so that he guides mortals to discredit the value of divine casters
So he would simply have no clerics then, only worshippers?
>>46361208
>>46361597
That reminds me, it's almost time for the mosquitoes to come back. Fuck.
>>46361201
>Frankly, Clerics of Zyphus don't make sense.
That's the point. Zyphus just gather people around himself who are just as miserable as him, to make people even more miserable, because he can't stand the idea of himself being the only person whose life sucks, and must actively insure that. He doesn't care that he's a hypocrite and that his commands don't make sense, he's THE big asshole douchebag
That's the whole reason he's NE, and the whole point of Zyphus. He's /r9k/ and reddit personified
What year do you think Pathfinder will die? Not as in "no one plays it" but Paizo stops releasing new material. They are going to exhaust all their possibilities eventually, and they pinky swore to never make a PF2E...
>>46361688
2023
>>46361688
I give it until after the Strange Aeons AP.
>>46361654
Oh wow, we always had "Desna accidentally let Ghlaunder out of wherever he was", but now we've progressed to him only being divine because she couldn't kill a literal ethereal mosquito before it drank enough of her god-blood to become a god itself.
>No one has asked for Milani
What, I thought /pfg/ loved having cool new things to hate and rage over?
>>46361654
Get ready for dat Zika.
>>46361688
They pinky swore to do a lot of things, Anon. Pinky swears mean nothing to Paizo.
>>46361647
Yes that's my point, exactly.
>>46361666
What does /r9k/ do besides sit in their pitty party. They just lament that people won't understand them, but they don't actively try to drag people down with them.
>>46361742
Pictured: Ghlaunder and Desna's first epic battle
>>46361743
We burned out all out rage and hate in the last thread.
And no, don't ask about it. Its done.
>>46361654
Hey, it's great if you want to play a really bad cancer mage...?
>>46361818
Can we get Dahak next?
>>46361801
I take it you've never been to a thread that gets breached by /r9k/
Using Bloodforge, racial heritage feats, etc. whatever magic you need to pull out of your butt from any 3pp, what's the biggest size you can be without explicitly playing a monster race as a PC?
I'm talking some cocktail like quasi-giant/half-orc with racial heritage - troll being a Huge size, stuff like that.
I have a burning desire to play a really fucking big character that's mostly still a "normal" race, not a full-on giant or a full-on minotaur or whatever.
I don't mind the character being horribly weak due to the stuff it has to do to achieve a huge-ass size, it's only for a oneshot next weekend. I don't mind playing a class specifically for a passive, constant increase in size, but keep in mind this oneshot is level 4.
Help me out here, people with system knowledge!
>>46361818
I appreciate that the followers of Ghlaunder act like parasites while spreading actual parasites.
>>46361850
I have and the "/r9k/" posters simply try to defend their position. It's usually the ones screaming /r9k/ that start hurling insults first.
>>46361850
>I take it you've never been to a thread that gets breached by /r9k/
You mean like three Generals ago?
>>46361879
Man, my arm feels itchy just looking at that.
>>46361908
That is without a doubt the lamest looking holy symbol I've ever seen.
It's a fucking silver disc with a mosquito on it.
>>46361908
>adventurers travel far and wide to get sick with rare diseases
This reminded me that some people have sex just to get diseases. Fucking Ghlaunder.
>>46361958
>herald is a mosquito so big it blots out the moon
Thanks, that's an image I didn't want to have
>>46361617
This is why I like Oracles and 4e and later Paladins, as well as the interpretation of Clerics of Concepts/Ideas of Eberron better.
>>46361229
>>46361845
Dahak will come, but first I need to finish off Apsu.
>>46361688
about the same time as Gamefreak stops making new pokemon.
>>46362023
Not too much here apart from Paladins being required to be vagabonds.
>>46362023
Thanks anon!
>>46362079
Interesting to note, Triaxians apparently are trying to build a massive army to fight against Dahak on reckoning day.
>>46361688
Isn't Paizo not doing so hot already? I thought they were understaffed as is?
>>46362115
>the draconic apsu was written by the now atheist gold dragon sage Gunnarrex
>done as a punishment for accidentally walking into apsu's room
What is he, a teenage girl from an anime?
So when is Paizo going to try to ape the Tome of Battle? And how many bricks will you shit when they do?
>>46362174
And last but not least, unique clockwork dragons. Those things are neato
Now for Aldui- I mean Dahak.
>>46362217
Ah man, I had hoped Apsu and Erastil might have some history as "good ol' boys"
>>46362233
Kind of meh, although Enemy of Dragonkind is, again, pretty handy for fighting dargons. Also Bow Before Your End is pretty cool.
>>46362174
Whoa, mad respect-downs for Apsu. Not that I really had any opinion on Apsu before this.
>>46362175
I think they already made their attempt at this with Pathfinder Unchained and its stamina system. Literally everyone forgot about it.
>>46362281
I joke about Alduin, but Dahak looks more like he's a Rovagug-alike than that, just with a more revengeance focus
>>46362328
That's a big-ass dragon. Also, the only waifu in this section is one of the black specks down there.
>>46362217
>Apsu and Dahak in the rubble, exchanging a few words for the first time in eternity, after the Infinite Crisis with Rovagug was over
>>46362233
Is Nethys in there somewhere?
>>46362233
>thank face
Smaug?
>>46362357
Ohh, now I see. Gunnarrex became an atheist after both Dahak and Apsu dragged them into their realms and forced him to write boring-ass books. Dragons are assholes.
>>46362328
Wait, so Dahak's whole thing is that Apsu was a deadbeat to his firstborn and only got around to proper parenting for the remaining ten billion dragon babies?
>>46362175
They were in the group who absolutely hated it and still think it was overpowered to this day.
>>46362414
And some allies, including a white dragon hera-
Wait, hold up
>Calistria is said to bear at least one hidden scar from her attempts to court Dahak
Make jokes about Iomedae all you want, but Calistria actually tried it and it's there IN WRITING.
>>46362597
Are you implying that Paizo has principles?
That cold hard cash won't make them shit out something like Occult Adventures:Martial edition?
>>46362635
Maybe we should convince DSP to do it first. Initiating kineticist, medium, andpsychicplease. Also an occultist that uses swords as implements.
>>46362613
It wasn't exactly a secret that Calistria's a huge slut, anon.
>>46362613
Anyway, I'm taking a break from posting Inner Sea Faiths, I'll probably post more if there's something people want to see.
>>46362233
>>46362412
>I AM DAHAK!
>I kill when I wish!
> I am strong, Strong, STRONG!
>My armor is like hundredfold shields!
>My teeth are like swords!
>My claws, spears!
>The shock of my tail, a supernova!
>My wings, a sonic boom!
>And my breath... DEATH!
Is there a type of dragon that is okay to put against level 5s? I feel like my newbies have never experienced a proper boss fight against a big supernatural enemy yet. If not, can you think of a kind of enemy or encounter that could give the same kind impression with its sheer size and number of options?
Hard Mode:My players are the dumbest human beings on the planet and would probably TPK if put in a fight against the iconics.
>>46362750
Give them an Advanced Template Flame Drake. It's like a diet dragon.
>>46362750
Throw out a bunch of River Drakes.
They're like CR 3 or something.
Have a Giant or Advanced template one be the leader.
>>46362750
I dunno what kinda game you're running but look into spooky shit like Attic Whisperer.
>>46362750
Pick small dragon. Have it fly-by use breath weapon. That should send them running. Don't be afraid to kill one or two.
The whole air-superiority thing will be a huge wake-up to them.
Don't have it kill the rest of them though. Let it retreat once they are burned and broken. It will give them a good villain to curb-stomp in a few levels.
What would a Golarion version of "Jackass" look like assuming you got a couple of mid level characters together to record dumbass stunts using accuser devils and/or magic crystals?
>>46362707
Should we hold those requests until tomorrow, then?
>>46362217
I find it somewhat amusing that they both stick to and deny the DnD dragon gods. Tiamat exists, but only to start and is then never mentioned. Good Dragon Guy is SILVER NOT PLATINUM GET IT RIGHT.
Not getting art of Oregenus is a crime though.
I need a good way to bow out of a game. The GM is kinda crap (pulled up the Performance Combat rules for a random street brawl, has kept us at 1st level for a solid 7 sessions now, and I've counted at least eight enemies each with class levels in shaman or barbarian since the first session), but I can't really ditch it with a "Fuck you guys I'm out."
Any ideas? Every time I try and point out something that's off or wrong it turns into a debate over rules, the CR system, or poor writing in general (both his own notes and the PF material).
>>46358946
Yeah, it's pretty much required to planar bind/ally them. Anyone evil who hasn't bound their soul directly to a qlippoth lord (thus ensuring they'll be swiftly devoured on death, and not turn into a demon) takes a -6 on any checks involved in convincing them to do anything.
>>46362707
I would love to see Milani's stuff!
>>46362847
You get an Empath with Iron Eye, the Broadcast for the recording, anon.
>>46358699
Hey I'm super new to pathfinder. Would a Gunslinger/Hunter mulit be viable? Their prime abilities (i.e. Dex and Wis) are synchronous, but would the feat investment to make either class good/optimal make it not work out?
>>46362904
>I can't really ditch it with a "Fuck you guys I'm out."
yes you can, though you say 'this isn't the game for me' instead of 'fuck you'
>>46362904
Just tell the DM honestly how you feel. If my players weren't having fun I would want to know!
>>46362750Juvenile Red
>>46362951
Multiclass? No, not at all unless the Gunslinger was just a single level dip. You really don't want to lose out on spells and Companion progression
Though really, it'd still be sub par since Bows are much more useful and opimal than guns
>>46362785
>>46362800
>>46362826
>>46362840
Thanks all, drakes and advanced drakes look perfect.I hope the casters with Con penalties survive at least one fireball.
>>46362707
Besmara whatever day you feel like :)
>>46362785
>Flame drakes are the degenerate cousins of red dragons
for some reason this description is really funny
>>46362357
>not waifuing the dragon
cuck
>>46362392
They only did pissant loser deities, not the OG.
How would you RP a soulless clone created by technology after the true soul is out of the running? They've got -2 to Charisma, which is relatively subtle as changes go, but also no ability to advance or innovate.
Now what if the original was still around, but had transcended to a psychic AI? Would the clone be likely to rebel, or would that be too much like a new idea for it to manage?My Iron Gods campaign is gonna go some real weird places by the end. Gotta keep those metagaming shits I call players on their toes.
>>46362850
I mean whatever man, I'll sift through the thread and look for (You)'s
>>46362935
>>46363013
I will do those tomorrow. Milani is sparse on the waifus, Besmara doubles down because she IS a waifu.
>>46362963
I'm already with one foot out the door, I just don't want to engender any ill will, which is an eloquent way of saying I don't want to be a total cunt about this.
I'm also shit at timing, though.
>>46362996
I'll do that. Hopefully I don't come out the douchebag this time.
>>46362847
I'd imagine it'd be a bunch of Fighters/Barbarians, probably Orcish, dicking around with a couple Wizards and Clerics backing them up on the sidelines. A Bard or Rogue is in the cast, but constantly manages to avoid doing dangerous/gross stuff.
>HEY ME URGOK BONECRUSH AND THIS JACKASS
>Urgok begins to levitate from his glowing blue boots as someone pushes him off a roof, he flails about comically mid air before beginning to rotate head-over-heels repeatedly, finally smashing face-first through a third story window, scene ends with panicked woman screaming from the building
>>46358699
>reduce a creature's DR/Hardness by 10 as an additional feature for Dirty Trick
>AT 2nd LEVEL
>>46363007
why are bows better than guns?
>>46362951
Not at all. Even a little bit. 0 with a error of +-0.
> Open up EZG'S site to keep tabs.
> He says Occult Adventures rekindled his faith in Paizo.
Wake me up /pfg/.
>>46363132
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
>>46363113
You get to add Strength to damage, where guns get nothing unless you have specific class features.
You can nock an arrow as a free action, guns take standards and full-rounds to reload until you invest several feats, meaning you can never get more than one shot per round.
Guns break on a natural 1, unlike any other weapon in the game.
Bows have feats unique to them that give you even more attacks than any other weapon can ever have (Manyshot).
The list goes on.
>>46363078
>I'll do that. Hopefully I don't come out the douchebag this time.
"Hey, I'm going to have to bow out of your game, sorry. Personally it's just not for me, I'm not a fan of low levels since they're too swingy, and personally I don't care for the performance rules. Good luck running the game, have fun!"
>>46363132
Who?
Speaking of dragon bossfights, is there any way to give them a better break in action economy? They have so much shit they're expected to do in an encounter. Can they take magus levels and benefit from Spell Combat?
>>46363010
>casters with Con
dear god. You have to kill them on principle.
>>46363162
instead of "good luck" i would say "wish you the best!"
"good luck" can be taken sarcastically.
>>46363155
guns hit on touch.
>>46363190
Ah, depends on the tone. In person "good luck" could probably swing, but your suggestion probably sounds better anyways.
>>46363176
DM fiat something to give them an extra standard action. It ate some magic time rocks or something.
>>46363197
Withing charging range/reach of most threats? WOW so good. You get to tickle things more often.
>>46362707
Gyronna whenever you please.
>>46363168
Endzeitgeist.com
He's a reviewer that rates 3pp. He's also a fucking grog and has essentially no competition. Look at his PoW reviews to see him do shit like not read the book, buy into ALL DAY, and other shit.
He has a thing for attrition the way /tg/ has a thing for healsluts.
>>46363176
Flyby Attack is the main equalizer, since they can fire off breath weapons and spells and still have movement to retreat to optimal safe distance.
Crush is another: huge or larger dragons can take a couple members of the party out just by landing on them for a Reflex-save-or-pinned at the start of the fight.
>>46363176
That's simple anon.
>>46363162
More like "I'm not a fan of <100xp per session, large groups of inconsistent players, or goblins having 3 levels of barbarian and the half-orc Ferocity ability."
There's too much pulling in of weird rules, upgraded enemies despite us being, you know, 1st level, and not enough xp to get anywhere anytime soon.
>>46363237
Attrition isn't bad, though.
You need attrition in order to justify the need for healsluts. Without attrition, we would have no healsluts!
