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chronicles of fagness
I'm not reposting all these fucking sidebars.
>>46337536
>>46337588
And that's the last of the crossover sidebars. Anyone wanna see something else?
where the fuck did everyone go
>>46337711
Probably still reading all of the posts in the other thread.
Anon who is posting them, why not just .zip them and throw them up somewhere?
>>46337711
Reading.
>>46337508
WORLD OF FAGNESS
>>46337737
I'm on mobile and they're all posted anyway. Is there anything else you'd like to see? I'm not gonna upload the book but will happily do more screenshots.
>>46337605The whole book
>>46337711
Sculling around various forums and waiting to see if the Sleeping Dogs HD textures download finishes before I admit defeat and head to sleep.
>>46337781
Oh come on. You can stay up later. There is always caffeine.
>>46337781
You did a bang up job on your parts of the book. Are you in the Companion at all?
>>46337821
Christ no, I need to do some sort of vague work tomorrow.
>>46337832
Cheers for the comment! Not in the companion, no; I just wrote the Neolithic chapter (apart from the other lines sidebar which was DaveB) but whereas some of the other chapters were cut up between different writers, I had the WHOLE Neolithic chapter all to myself. Would have been greedy to grab some other eras too!
No fuck you captcha, that last thing was NOT a fucking pie, what the hell.
>>46337588
God, imagine how incredible it must feel to Awaken from a shift straight from poverty to wealth.
>>46337932
Why do you think the Seers have so many recruits?
>>46337588
Thanks for all the sidebars!!!
Fantastic!
>>46337588
I think the sidebars might be the part I was most excited for.
So. There were Lions in the Balkans during the Neolithic (died out in the middle ages).
Would they have an animal-headed god of their own, or does that fall under Cat?
>>46338035
You're tripping on that much power, and you want to shackle yourself to some entitled assholes who kept you suppressed all of your life?
Why do you think the Pentacle has so many low Wisdom mages?
>>46338114
If Wolf is different from Dog, why woukd Lion fall under Cat?
>>46338097
It's a damn shame Mummy gets almost nothing in each sidebar. Some Eras don't bother mentioning them at all.
does anyone know where i could find a pdf or webpage that just has page 131 of the Mage corebook that outlines the various practices? I have a newbie to gaming and she just can't wrap her head around mage. But she gets really excited whenever I stop and explain a relevant spell she could cast.
I don't have an easy way to print anything or a way to extract a page from a pdf so I'm kind of at a loss.
Anyone got a theory on the link between Demons, Beasts and why they work so adversely??
>>46338241
It's that there's a lack of a link.
Demons are entirely foreign to Beasts, a fact that is repeatedly stated in the Beast book.
So Beasts can't include them in their fanfiction about how they're all one big happy family of monsters, which pisses them off.
>>46338237
They're changing in 2e anyway. Just wait a month.
>>46338241
Easy. The God-Machine isn't native to this reality like everything else that the Begotten have shared heritage with.
>>46338237
Print screen and MS Paint are basic tools everyone should learn to use.
>>46338227
>It's a damn shame Mummy gets almost nothing in each sidebar. Some Eras don't bother mentioning them at all.
There are very few mummies, they are often region in residence, and they are some of the least active supernaturals in the CofD.
>>46338227
>If Wolf is different from Dog
Dogs amongst the Vinca was one of the things on my list of 'stuff I'd like to include' that I couldn't find the word-count for. If I'd had the space for it, I'd probably have covered a bit about the spiritual relationship between wolves and dogs as well, including how they and Wolf are linked.
>>46338237
I think this PDF is also incredibly helpful for mage casters though its not 100% clear.
>>46338227
>It's a damn shame Mummy gets almost nothing in each sidebar. Some Eras don't bother mentioning them at all.
I think that has a lot to do with the Sothic turn, which is the reason Mummies awake en masse. Any other time, a Mummy will likely have just risen for a specific task or because of a disturbance, so they likely won't affect much.
Trying to get a 2e Hunter character together and I cannot for the life of me find this - do mortals get 10 merit points now, too, or are they still at 7?
>>46338436
7 for mortals, 10 for supernaturals.
>>46338436
7
Character creation is the same the only difference is you can go to the 5th dot without spending 2 points.
Also Defense is now Lowest of Wits/Dex + Athletics (or a fighting skill if you have the merit for it)
>>46338436
Mortals get seven during character creation (page 26, character creation section, intuitively enough). Hunters may get the 10 supernaturals also get, but then Hunter 2e isn't out yet.
>>46338237
>>46338339
Dave also described the 2e Practices in the spoiler blog.
http://theonyxpath.com/the-creative-arts-mage-the-awakening/
Also, here a great chart of spells of different Practices from 1e:
http://www.danicat.com/nwod/nWoD/Mage%20-%20The%20Awakening/Mage%20the%20Awakening%20-%20The%20Arcana.pdf
Another lists for the Arcana, and subnet is a great resources for all your 1e spellcasting needs:
http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/cod/mtaw/ArcanaIntro.html
Lily, Sabre, and Thorn feels damn out of place among the rest of the book. It's not just that it's a 1e supplement (contrasting other Changeling stuff in the books). It just feels different.
Can I use Space Arcana to make my butt look bigger?
>>46338655
No. Illusions are Forces now.
>>46338655
That would be Forces (magnify the light on your ass) or Life (actually enlarge it).
>>46338706
Illusions have always been forces.
>>46338712
>>46338655
Or Mind, to make people perceive your ass as larger.
>>46338750
No, a large part of it used to be Prime.
>>46338706
>>46338712
Space could also do it.
Something belonging to one arcanum doesn't stop another arcanum from being able to do the same thing (though sometimes at different practices).
Life and Mind can both affect your mood, for example.
>>46338782
Physical objects aren't illusions.
>>46338782
Prime still has phantasms, so there's no "used to be" about it.
Less fat ass talk, more Dark Era spoilers!
>>46338795
Technically Life does that by manipulating your biology, and Mind does that by affecting your mind.
So if you had a mental shield, then you'd have protection against the Mind spell, or if you were a walking corpse then you'd be immune to the Life spell.
>>46338814
Some illusions *are* physical objects.
Remember, we're discussing magic.
>>46338819
What era would fat ass rotes be most useful for as a bonus to my seduction roll?
>>46338851
19th century
>>46338819
Which Dark Era is most gay werewolf compatible?
>>46338845
It's only an illusion if it's not what it's purported to be.
A Phantasm IS what it is.
A Phantasm of a cat is a cat.
Albeit a cat constructed out of mana which has no mind.
>>46338819
Again; I have the book, what do you want spoiled?
>>46338914
Man I fucking love the 19th century.
So much stuff that we take for granted was new and exciting.
Trains, for example.
Although I certainly appreciate all the spoilers from the Dark Eras backers, aren't we also due for another Signs of Sorcery spoiler from DaveB?
Didn't he hint at more Mage Sight material?
WHAT DO YOU WANT SPOILED
>>46338814
Phantasmal images aren't objects though.
>>46338819
>>46339000
WE DON'T KNOW
>>46338937
>A Phantasm of a cat is a cat.
Respectfully, you really need to reread everything about Prime from Mage 1e.
>>46339000
Zootopia
Does Bogo give Clawhauser the d?
>>46339001
The fact that you can pick them up says differently.
Is the Colonial Quebec Hunter Era in this or the companion?
>>46338939
I'm not picky. Anything you want to share about Mage would be very much appreciated.
I would most like to see anything that highlights the new rules or setting material for Mage 2e,
>>46339001
Honestly the things I was excited for were Viking werewolf and promethean stuff
It came close to being another Impergium.
>>46339049
No, but Mayor Lionheart has an extended shower scene.
>>46339127
>>46339085
You mean Salem? It's in this one.
>>46339027
Thanks.
The Tower of Babel as an Idigam. Very nice. Also sounds like a great Mystery for mages.
Chris gets a gold star for his work on Neolithic.
Hard to believe someone paid extra for this.
>>46339085
Colonial Quebec was a Vampire game that atamajakki ran, not a Dark Era.
>t. atamajakki
>>46339219
>tracking a werewolf
>with a bow and arrow
No wonder they overran the Americas.
>>46339219
Maybe? The unedited book in the Kickstarter had Les Voyaguers as a compact, maybe I just got confused and thought it was its own Era.
>>46338934
Apparently 1970's new york.
Checks out if you think about it really.
>>46338293
i don't care about 2E but thanks.
>>46338521
is there some master list of 1e conjunctional spells anywhere at all?
>>46339329
Or if you just read it where it talks about new york being full of homosexuals.
Of course the really big and important question is whether anyone can spot any of the Time Team references I put in there.
I think I only ended up with a couple in the final draft.
>>46338934
Not Viking Era.
>>46339356
I'm always late to fund kickstarters this was my guesstimate based off the Outline.
>>46339179
I love how Mage is using unused OWoD vampire clans as stuff. Tremere. Nagaraja.
>>46339169
Yeah. That was probably the point.
If any of the other Pangaean gods have children like the Uratha, we'll have Fera too.
>>46339410
Huh. Interesting.
>>46339410
Depends on what you mean.
It wasn't exactly homosexuality that was forbidden. It was being on the receiving end that was the big no-no.
>>46339433
I mean Tremere's been there since 1st edition so its a little late to be calling them out.
>>46339317
I dunno, a silver arrow that embeds itself inside a wolf seems incredibly useful debilitating.
>>46339433
>Nagaraja
That just means king cobra.
Which, of course, carries implications of it's own.
The biggest, nastiest snake.
Oh, and it mainly subsists on eating other snakes.
>>46339179
>>46339200
Thanks!
>>46339565
If it wasn't for the colouring I'd have guessed that was Exalted.
I'm suddenly not sad I didn't KS this book.
>>46339497
The Nagaraja have been in Awakening since Left Hand Path. In the modern day, they're one of the sub-Legacies of the Tremere.
In both cases they're the result of me thinking that there's one amazingly cool group of vampires in Masquerade who are fallen Tradition mages, and there's also the Tremere. I love the Nagaraja.
I think naming the House that in LHP was Malcolm's idea. But the Euthanatos have sentimental value for him, so he was responsibe for much of the WoD-Nagaraja's revised-era development.
>>46339410
>ergi is a viking era condition
Oh, jeez.
The workaround would be to just not be a passive homosexual. Gay werewolves sharing bro jobs and loving frot? No problem.
>>46339595
Some of the art is great. Other chapters look fucking atrocious.
Whoever did the Viking art should never work again.
>>46339688
Yes. That is indeed horrible.
Hell. I don't know where to start.
>>46339688
Pfff, that's ridiculous.
>>46339688
He's one of the newer artists, I think the touching is supposed to be because of the gift that basically self destructs objects.
So since CofD/GMC made defense so high and older eras encouraged the use of armor how do I make melee fights between two well matched opponents not take forever?
It also seems like using an all out attack would be the dumbest decision ever.
>>46339768
It's not the touching that's the problem
It's the actual quality of the art
The bull thing up above, at least, looks pretty decent, if somewhat out-of-place for Chronicles of Darkness.
>>46339844
SPEND YOUR FUCKING WILLPOWER
INFLICT TILTS
USE A GUN INSTEAD
>>46339861
No guns in the early eras.
BTW, is Defense applied against arrows?
>>46339354
>is there some master list of 1e conjunctional spells anywhere at all?
Sorry, I've never seen such a list.
Unlike Ascension, Awakening tried to avoid conjunctional spells, although there definitely was some bloat in the Order and later sourcebooks.
>>46339861
>Tilts
Id be rolling defense penalties AND dealing targeted limb penalties
>Guns
I just said OLDER ERAS, I get that guns existed for a while but you still have that "single shot, better melee now or reload for 4 turns" attitude.
>>46339886
I wouldn't count it since its not exactly a "thrown weapon"
any revisited oldschool fighting methods from Armory in the new Dark Ages book? The Archery from 1ed is alright but I'm wondering if theres anything more streamlined.
>>46339652
DaveB and Macolm, Masquerade and Ascension fanboys.
Who knew?
>>46339928
>I just said OLDER ERAS, I get that guns existed for a while but you still have that "single shot, better melee now or reload for 4 turns" attitude.
If you're a hunter you're going to have like six guns ready to shoot. Not gonna reload.
But even before that they had crossbows and atlatls and slings.
>>46339844
>It also seems like using an all out attack would be the dumbest decision ever.
Not if you're one of three people attacking a target that can already ignore your defense.
Someone on the OP forums mentioned something about dark secrets behind the omphalos stones in Neolithic.
Anyone care to explain?
>>46340027
Mages tried to negotiate with Pangeans for power. Pangeans said "huehuehue, fuck off nub". So Mages fought for days and managed to steal one of their souls for power. Now the Minotaurs are pissed.
Anyone please going to upload the full Dark Eras PDF?
I don't think it's tagged.
>>46340056
>>46340027
The omphalos stones are the hearts of Pangaeans.
If you find a dead Pangaean, and its corresponding heart, you can put it in the corpse and the Pangaean will be resurrected.
So there's a potential angle for the resurrection of Father Wolf.
>>46339997
Most quickready weapons besides standard archery equipment would probably use Defense since its a "throwing weapon"
>>46340027
>>46340056
What are the omphalos stones?
>>46340117
>What are the omphalos stones?
Hearts of Pangaeans. Fragments of the hearts, at least. You can rebuild the bull god if you collect them all. Or Urfarah.
>>46340093
Mages have a stone for Father Wolf's heart and his carcass lying around? Awkward.
More importantly, what exactly are Pangaeans?
Mage 2e when?
Dave mentioned some time ago that mages in the Neolithic communicated over distances through the Astral?
Is this discussed in the section, and are any mechanics provided?
>>46340213
It's in proof
>>46339928
Different Anon.
1) Willpower. Spend it.If you die with willpower unspent then you died with wasted potential.
2) Take risks. Fights between even opponents do take a while, if your willing to roll the dice you can apply a tilt on your foe. You don't need to apply a tilt every turn; once their arm is wracked their sword is on the ground. You DON'T CARE IF HE GETS ALL 7 OF HIS PUNCHING DICE WHEN HE COULD BE SWINGING A GOD DAMN SWORD AT YOUR FACE. Also remember dice fail, people roll 16 dice pools and get 0's.
Also, its the dark ages, you still have armor. Does he have armor on his hands? Is he going to take a shot to your leg when you aim for his hand? Theres a lot to do. Lots to think about.
3) Fighting styles. Disarm is really good vs people pre guns. Get armor piercing if fighting knights, more damage if fighting barbarians.
4)Use your brain.
>>46340213
>Mage 2e when?
The first round of layout and proofing is done. It probably still needs a little more tweaking, and then approval by Paradox.
We'll hopefully see it in April.
>>46340228
It's normal Astral communication.
You meditate into the Astral, and either find someone you've arranged to meet with, or leave a message for him to read at a pre-arranged point.
It's like a forum, or picking up the mail.
But in the collective unconscious.
>>46340194
>>46340117
>Mages have a stone for Father Wolf's heart and his carcass lying around? Awkward.
The Uratha and Firstborn killed Father Wolf, so they probably hid his heart somewhere, or split it up and hid its pieces where no one could get it. His corpse is in the First Wound.
Pangaeans are natives of Pangaea, the Border Marches world that's part spirit but part "real." Unlike the Shadow, which is a reflection of things, they are the pillars of it.
>>46339652
Did I just read that Pangaeans have Arcana dots? Is that meant to emulate the >effects< or are they really casting supernal magic?
>>46340288
>Pangaea, the Border Marches world that's part spirit but part "real." Unlike the Shadow, which is a reflection of things, they are the pillars of it.
Pangaea is the Proto-Gauntlet
Before Urfarah's death, there were 3 worlds; physical, border-marches, and spirit. The Border-Marches work more or less like the Gauntlet, but with some key differences.
EG, you can't go from the Physical directly to the Spirit. You have to enter the Border-Marches, THEN cross over to the Physical/Spirit. Pangaeans require Spirit+Life or Matter to affect, instead of just Spirit.
I think, otherwise, it's basically the same as the Shadow.
>>46340372
>I think, otherwise, it's basically the same as the Shadow.
The huge difference is that the Shadow is a reflection of our world. It's formed by the perceptions in our world. Pangaea is not, it's the foundation.
>>46340288
Thanks.
Where is the First Wound?
Also, are the Hosts from Werewolf in modern times supposed to be the remnants of the Pangaens before the fall of the Border Marches?
>>46340620
>Where is the First Wound?
The Inferno (hell, basically)
>Also, are the Hosts from Werewolf in modern times supposed to be the remnants of the Pangaens before the fall of the Border Marches?
Some of them, possibly, it may not be as simple as that anymore
>>46340620
>Also, are the Hosts from Werewolf in modern times supposed to be the remnants of the Pangaens before the fall of the Border Marches?
We just don't know.
>>46340620
>Also, are the Hosts from Werewolf in modern times supposed to be the remnants of the Pangaens before the fall of the Border Marches?
Some of the Pangeans survived, and turned into spirits. The most notable are the firstborn of Father Wolf. It's possible the hosts are shards (having been dispersed in a different way) or parts of the omphalos stones, or parts of the bodies looking for omphalos stones, or the closest thing the Pangaean could have gotten to something like a werewolf
>>46339219
>>46339317
>Knights of Saint George mentioned
aww yiss. I hope that gets put into core 2e.
>>46339688
Who would get a tattoo in that spot and that angle?
>>46339844
Willpower, specialties, tilts, Area of Expertise. Understand that every character is not going to have maxed out Athletics. Houserule it so that Defense is split between Athletics and Brawl. Understand that armour penalizes Defense.
oh shit the watchtowers are idigam
>>46341009
>Who would get a tattoo in that spot and that angle?
they're probably supposed to be renown/gift brands
>>46339688
Needs a caption.
Where and what are the omphalos stones in modern times?
>>46341093
That's the million dollar question, innit?
>>46341029
No, just the Tower of Babel. The Watchtowers don't yet exist, in the sundered world.
>>46341093
>Where and what are the omphalos stones in modern times?
They're still omphalos stones, but they're wherever the last person to use them left them. A few have probably been destroyed.
>>46341116
>The Watchtowers don't yet exist, in the sundered world.
That's what idigam do. They become things that don't exist, then they make them exist.
Read the rest of the Tower of Babel section.
>>46341088
Reminds me of this gem from Exalted 3e
atamajakki really has a dick up his ass about this art
Which brain donor gave the oni blooded japanese hunters a stereotype for the Malleus Malificarum instead of the Lucifuge?
>>46341058
Yeah, but imagine if his arm was down. The tattoo of his Tribal mark would be fucked up.
So I am about to tackle something that is probably too big for me. I do not know anywhere near enough about Vampire the Requiem's setting to actually do this with any kind of real authority but I am compelled to do it anyway.
The vampire nation state. The Constitutional Principality of America. It spans the American Northeast and has bound all of its most populous cities like NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, DC and more into a single, political entity. It has a constitution that defines the rights and protections that the Kindred enjoy, a senate by which the Kindred may elect officials to enact change and hereditary offices that protect certain rights of the nobility. It is a compromise between the Invictus and the Carthains and as you can imagine it is a powder keg just waiting to explode.
The players would be a lowly coterie of young kindred whom have managed to escape the chaos that has created this tenuous state by existing in the more rural, less important regions in which there hasn't been much action. The goal is to escape to Canada while big thing, potentially disastrous things happen around them. This new political climate isn't particularly kind to small fries after all and most Kindred don't particularly like being told how they are allowed to walk the nights even if it does come with a long list of 'privileges.'
Does this sound feasible? Both the concept of the Principality and the Vampire Road Trip.
>>46341239
>a senate by which the Kindred may elect officials to enact change and hereditary offices that protect certain rights of the nobility.
How do they deal with the fact that you can use Dominate or Majesty to change peoples minds?
>>46341272
Poorly, I assume.
That or some bigdick Ventrue uber-Dominates representatives to break / immunize them against such tactics.
>>46341353
>That or some bigdick Ventrue uber-Dominates representatives to break / immunize them against such tactics.
That wouldn't work. You could have someone blood bond everyone to keep them protected from other blood bonds. But even those can be broken and of course at that point you have an absolute dictator.
>>46341272
>>46341425
When all else fails, Carthian Law, Oaths, and good ole' blood magic can do the trick.
>>46341272
The various political parties are enforced via blood bonds and all of the parties have some members within the leadership that can use those disciplines themselves that are very rigorous about maintaining a cohesive party.
The Principality has existed less than twenty years and there have been several instances of near open warfare between parties as that kind of fuckery happens. This is one of the reasons that plenty of Kindred don't actually expect this whole nation state thing to work out.
Does Dark Eras includes the origins of all supernaturals? I mean we already know Father Wolf was just a Mage's familiar
>>46339921
so there's no reference at all for conjunctional spellcasting?
not even some autist fan wiki?
>>46342029
>Does Dark Eras includes the origins of all supernaturals?
It doesn't have the origins of any supernaturals. Lots of theories, though.
>>46342070
Well it does have the origins of some z-splats and mini templates.
>>46337751
Faggot: The Awakening
>>46342063
wodindex.wikispaces.com/Spells
Here's every 1e spell in the gameline. Isolate the conjunctional ones on your own time.
Is it even worth it to spend blood to pleasure my Tzimisce waifu with my flaccid vampire dick, or should I just build some kind of blood construct to do it for me?
>>46339000
time.
all of the time arcana.
>>46342315
That's not in Dark Eras.
The revised Arcana are in Mage 2e, and it's not yet been released.
>>46342315
>>46342387
Well once it does come out, maybe someone will be kind enough to send the PDF back in time for us.
Man, it is really hard for the rest of Dark Eras to live up to the first chapter. I'd love a full CofD Neolithic book that goes into detail for all the splats (Mummy could let you play as a Shan'iatu or something I guess).
>>46343228
Can you link the PDF?
>>46343241
The kickstarter crowd got it today for paying money, I'm not saying it wont eventually get uploaded but I wouldnt blame them for holding out for a weeks more.
>>46341088
>>46343604
>>46343658
Nice double post
>>46340288
What Arcana receive bonuses in the Demesnes created by Omphalos Stones?
>>46343694
It depends on the Demesne and the Stone
>>46342163
Fagness: The Apocalypse
>>46343694
Are certain Pangaeans liked to certain Paths or just different Arcana?
>>46341163
Fuck it, even if that isn't true it's still good enough to make it a capstone for a campaign.
>>46336362
Are you implying the Christian like undead group we're taught by Egyptian like undead.
Im actually really ok with this.
>tfw waiting for the juicy Mummy stuff in the Companion
Does the new Native American stuff mention the Great American Plague?
https://youtu.be/JEYh5WACqEk
>>46345295
I think the only ones close enough time-wise to be relevant is Salem, where all the Injuns are savage barbarian monsters anyway.
>>46345374
???
They're literally playable as Hunters.
>>46345374
Salem was expanded to have stuff from the native point of view, that's why I was asking.
Also
>Hears voices
>Descends into Hel
>Deals with vikings
https://youtu.be/7Yh-zFCILR4
Senua shouldn't have been making me want to play Neolithic Mage, she's clearly a Pictish Sin-eater in Wolf and Raven's setting.
Taking requests for Dark Eras spoilers.
>>46346464
To the Strongest spoilers! Anything from it!
>>46346493
Well, the original chapter was (and still is) available for free on the Kickstarter page, the added content about the Astral and the Egyptian mages was in an Open Development blog, and I posted the new Nagaraja Legacy upthread, so...
Here's the Proximi? They're bug-men warriors who follow any orders given in High Speech that wind up serving the Seers.
>>46346522
Fantastic!
>>46340321
Yes, they have actual Arcana dots, not 'we're using Arcana as a stand-in representation of something else'.
>>46341093
That's a question that modern Awakened would very, very much like to know the answer to; hence the intro fic for the chapter.
>>46341165
Traumatised Bear is my favourite piece of art from Ex3.
>>46343694
Varies from stone to stone.
>>46344024
Arcana, not Paths.
If the target was in the same room as me yesterday. Can I target his past self instead if I have time 2 tempiral sympathy?
>>46347875
>Yes, they have actual Arcana dots, not 'we're using Arcana as a stand-in representation of something else'.
Why is this?
Was Father Wolf a wizard?
>>46348224
>Was Father Wolf a wizard?
There are Thyrsii that would argue to the contrary, but no
I wanna play a Hunter game. Vigil or Reckoning?
>>46337502
Me and my DM were talking about a character I was going to make, and the question was raised as to whether or not a vampire can be fat. I know this is a pretty stupid issue, but does anyone know if it's possible.
>>46348379
Don't Vampires revert to the moment of their 'vamping every night?
So if you were fat when you became one, you'll be stuck fat forever.
Favorite vampire clan creation myth? Personally mine would have to be the one with nos coming from an unholy union of vampire and weird subterranean monster creatures.
>>46348224
It's the nature of Pangaeans.
*Why* it's the nature of Pangaeans is something that's up for investigation. The Wise have their beliefs about where the Pangaeans come from, as do the Uratha.
Father Wolf isn't a wizard.
>>46339410
But homosexuality wasn't wrong. How is this even possible?
>>46348595
>>46348595
It's more about gender roles than about sexuality. Note the specific mention of seidr, a form of magic practiced exclusively by women (and Odin, who caught shit for using it in spite of being a man).
I'm not familiar with old Norse views on gay sex, but probably compare the Greek notion of banging other men being fine, but being banged by other man being shameful.
>>46348687
>I'm not familiar with old Norse views on gay sex, but probably compare the Greek notion of banging other men being fine, but being banged by other man being shameful.
As far as I remmember, they didn't had "straight/gay" construction as we have today. For them sex is sex, not caring about putting their dicks into a vagina or man butt.
>>46348457
Iis Theban getting mention on this Era? IIf I remmember well, Atlantean Tremere knew about Theban's existence and when he finally found him, he just "lol not gonna teach you anything BEGONE!" and killed almost all Tremere's cabal.
>>46348379
Absolutely. Vampires are described as becoming gaunter, drier, maybe slimming a bit as their useless organs shrivel, but the fat is also undead, it doesn't leave. There were always some rare husky boys.
>>46348457
If I were to take a guess from a Mage perspective, Pangeans are living symbols, where the platonic ideal of the Supernal meets the Animist ideal of the Phenominal. The Werewolf perspective on it is probably way more interesting, but it's harder to get a good grasp on what that might be.
>>46348687
What was the view on lesbianism?
>>46348729
The Theban doesn't get mentioned, no.
>>46348687
>>46348721
>>46349280
Historically, as long as you were the active partner, you could do whatever. Also, I love how >>46339410 is written. It doesn't feel like a condition, it feels like they were trying to tell setting info through a Condition.
That said, it gives ideas for more conditions like that. Challenged to a duel? That's a Condition.
>>46348457
He does wizardry, so by definition he is a wizard.
Does anyone else wish there was a French Revolution Dark Era given? Also, how is Dark Eras on possibly giving the PCs the chance to change history?
>>46349293
What a shame... It would be so good more mentions about him, but that's okay. I already wrote a lot about him for my metaplot.
Which remmembers me I need to write more about the Akhud and Sin-Eaters...
>>46348687
>(and Odin, who caught shit for using it in spite of being a man)
Yeah. Odin yelled at Loki for being unmanly for transforming into a woman and raising children. Loki managed to shut him up with a counter about how Odin learned Seid.
That... Puts things into perspective regarding the manliness of magic. (At least the curse-binding stuff)
So. Looking at Father wolf.
He had half-flesh children, that became the werewolves.
And he had half-spirit children, who became the Firstborn.
That guy really knew about the privileges to be had by being the one who sat in the middle.
>>46349671
>fatherwolfcheckinghisprivileges.png
>>46349671
#FleshLivesMatter
How did werewolves change in the monolithic era?
What I need for a Viking era game, is to bring along queen Skuld (no, not the Norn).
She was basically half-elf necromancer.
Her armies were unstoppable, because her soldiers didn't stop fighting just because they died.
And this bitch was thought up in the 9th or 10th century.
Mary Sues have always existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuld_%28princess%29
>>46347875
>>46348457
Haven't read Neolithic yet, but I'm getting the impression that the Pangaeans were old gods representing animist symbols that were kicked out of the Supernal. After the fall of the Border Marches, most (or at least bits and pieces of most) of the remaining Pangaens evolved into the current Host antagonists of Werewolf.
Are the Hosts and Idigam mentioned in the new Mage 2e? They seem like they would be as much a Mage antagonists as Werewolf.
>>46349798
I think they were just the natural inhabitants of the Border Marsh realm.
>>46341093
>>46347875
>Where and what are the omphalos stones in modern times?
>That's a question that modern Awakened would very, very much like to know the answer to
The Stones are obviously in unmarked boxes among meaningless other crap in vast warehouses in the middle of nowhere. Everyone knows that...
I even heard a rumor that the Wolf Stones are near some other important stone tablets...
>>46349839
Possibly, but that still doesn't explain the history of the Border Marches or what became of the Pangaeans.
>>46349911
What became is explained. They got either turned into pure flesh, or pure spirit.
>>46349839
I thought Father Wolf created the Border Marches. Is that wrong?
You can't build the place you're from.
>>46349936
Yeah. I think he just grew up there. Hard to tell though.
>>46349936
That is one of the beliefs of the Uratha, yes; that Urfarah created the Border Marches in order to divide Spirit and Flesh.
Not all Uratha share this belief.
>>46349671
Im pretty sure his arcane was spirit
>>46349973
And that has what do to with this, exactly?
>>46346522
Thanks for the Myrmidon spoiler.
Very interesting.
I though Proximi could only choose Merit spells from two Arcana, but the Myrmidon have three, Forces, Prime and Mind. Proximi can also now use oblations to procure Mana.
The Forces spell "Kinetic Blow" is also only level two. Isn't it a Fraying effect, and therefore level 3?
>>46350023
It was in 1e.
Those rules are written for 2e.
But holy hell. That curse. Getting your soul ripped out for getting Paradox? Not fun.
>>46349969
Are the Rat or Spider Pangaeans mentioned in the Neolithic chapter?
>>46350057
Nope. Neither.
The only host mentioned are the snake hosts.
>>46350047
I understand how Myrmidons could easily fix the standard means of getting the more severe curse condition (i.e, obey the order or equivalent), but how they heck do they fix it if it's Paradox-induced from using a Blessing?
>>46350103
From the looks of it, having someone "forgive" them for their paradox in their control-language.
>>46349919
>Pangaeans
>Some got either turned into pure flesh,
Sounds like the Hosts to me.
>>46350134
Yep. Fleshy critters with spirit powers? Sure does sound like Hosts.
And those nasty bastards at the end of Predators.
>>46350124
>>46350103
That's seems both odd and a little too easy.
Do Paradox conditions possibly wear off over time?
>>46350155
From what we know of the previews: Yep. But being soulless doesn't.
>>46349989
His rights over spirits
>>46350173
All I was talking about was that the guy really got around...
>>46350149
Dave and Chris really need to write a lot more Mage / Werewolf (and any other splat) crossover.
I would pay very good money to read a crossover CofD New York developed and written by them.
>>46350212
I'd honestly pay good money for anything they do.
Sundered World and To The Strongest are two of the three best chapters of Dark Eras.
>>46350227
What's the third?
I also expect that the Mage / Mummy crossover in the upcoming Companion will be fantastic.
Limiting Dave and Chris to short word count chapters really is a crime against tabletop role-playing.
>>46350276
To me, the third one is the Aztec one.
I'd really, really, like to say the Viking Werewolves were in the top 3. But I can't. Ah well. At least it's 2e rules.
Just got in from work, anyone broken the covenant of kickstartry yet?
Still not
>>46350320
What?
>>46350336Has anyone leaked Dark Eras yet
>>46350346
Ah. I thought it was just really bad English, and talking about Secrets of the Covenants, for some reason.
>>46350346
Almost 24h and still not.
Internet, I am dissapoint
>>46350057
If I remember correctly, Rat gets mentioned at least once. I can't recall if I mentioned Spider.
>>46350212
CofD New York would be pretty fun to do. Quite daunting, especially since I've only visited New York and never lived there, but definitely would be interesting to dig into in depth.
As per usual, if you want to see stuff in the future, give OP feedback and let them know!
>>46350371
Fucking Dave and Fucking Chris, coming here and making us think of them as human beings trying to make a living doing what they enjoy, instead of as the greedy corporate fatcats we all know they are
>>46350388
Hill seems to be working in that direction too, what with all the Changeling spoilers he dropped.
Still. Worth it.
>>46350057
>>46350070
Actually, both. Rat and Spider are mentioned as having already been killed by Wolf, along with Mountain.
It's entirely left up to the reader what a Mountain-Host might look like, if any got out of Pangaea before it collapsed.
>>46350437
>It's entirely left up to the reader what a Mountain-Host might look like, if any got out of Pangaea before it collapsed.
Discworld troll.
>>46350023
Kinetic Blow is a Ruling effect, and thus 2 dots.
(It was only Fraying in 1e because all damaging spells got lumped into Fraying/Unraveling/Unmaking.)
>>46350478
You know. Getting the micro-spoilers in the Legacy and Proximus mechanics just makes me want Mage even more.
That said, which Eras were you involved in? I've only seen Chris own up, yet.
>>46350512
I'd imagine, given his Anthropology background, he had a hand in quite a few
>>46350478
Hey Dave I know some one asked this before and I'm wondering myself.
Let say a mage uses a Force spell that does bashing damage and makes it fire, would it do bashing or aggravated damage to a vampire?
>>46350571
How the hell does one do bashing with fire?
>>46350478
I thought the rule still in effect in 2e was that any direct damage spells were Fraying, Unraveling or Unmaking. However, I'm certainly not complaining.
BTW, how does a Myrmidon "fix" or resolve his greater curse condition when caused by a Paradox from a Blessing rather than disobeying a proper order?
>>46350594
Direct damage and damaging aren't the same thing.
>>46350591
I believe that you hit the thing in question with it.
>>46350594
>I thought the rule still in effect in 2e was that any direct damage spells were Fraying, Unraveling or Unmaking. However, I'm certainly not complaining.
Nope. They are based on how the spell is actually made, now.
>>46350437
Oh yes, that's right. Rat gets mentioned a couple of times, then.
>>46350388
Those sons of bitches. How dare they make me assess the human element to business!
>>46350772
I know! Thankfully, I can still feel that FFG and Hasbro are monolithic corporate monstrosities.
