Why are princes always shown to be wimply spoiled fuccbois? They are raised to lead a nation and be a walking banner of inspiration on the battle field or at least a well rounded leader with vital skills.
I liked when princes could be badasses.
Also why are most knights in anime shown on foot?
Horseback is a great advantage, allows for lancing motherfuckers into submission, and its good for showing status
>>46247964
Especially when you look at England. Either you were a fucking pathetic sod or you were a badass motherfucker who was leading armies and rebellions by seventeen.
Many princes are raised in a life of privilege and luxury, befit their nobility. Sure they can undergo military training, but what trainer would dare to slap them around and discipline them like any of his other men.
The meager and humble beginnings, harsh existence, and brutal training are what makes the badasses.
>>46248086
No matter what your background if you beleive in yourself you can kill hundreds of Muslums.
Charlemagne was the son of a great line and he still proved to be badass
>>46248128
There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.
>>46247964
Because rich people spoil their kids.
>>46248154
>not the rule
Fucking what. Every badass of the middle ages who kicked ass had a good upbringing as a nobleman. And again, most English kings were brutal politicians or warriors from childhood.
If he shows up on the scene as a bad motherfucker then what else is he supposed to do? Gotta grow as a character somehow.
>>46248154
but a huge number of badass kings were sons of kings
Prince Edmund the Black, Alexander the Meme, All of the good Lewis of France, Richard the Lionheart
>>46248154
I'm pretty sure you just made the rule up based on fantasy tropes.
You know I was a-ok with the LadyknightxPrince stuff up till they call him "princess". Vassals got to know respect to their lord
Princes should be less Edward II and more Edward III and the Black Prince Edward, and England should have really picked a different name for royalty than Edward and Henry.
>>46248086
Even rich parents know that sometimes a kid needs a good solid beating
>>46248260
this
>>46248228
this desu
>>46248250
Edward is an Anglo-Saxon name used to show the majority of the English nobles that their French overlords are cool and Henry is the anglicised form of Henri, also from those same French overlords.
>>46248198
Most english kings were fat drunken slobs. the tales of bards are what painted the picture of strong noble brave knights
>>46247964
Marxist propaganda.
>>46247964
Because people today worship the false god of Social Democracy
>>46250495
Those aluakbars didn't all kill themselves bro.
If they did I hope they do it again
>>46247964
>>46250617
Now as inflammatory as that reply is there is a basis of truth to it. Fiction is now written for the middle class with disposal income and some free time. Due to ideas of class warfare and such gaining some lasting traction many people of this class have a problem see those of the upper class as anything of than spoiled and weak fools.
This is plainly ridiculous of course but many such as >>46248086 sincerely belive not only are competent nobles rare but are impossible to produce as they lack the malnutrition and misfortune to succeed in life which as we all know is critical. They also make great efforts to ignore the entire medieval and early modern periods where something close to everything important happens to and because of the upper class.
>>46250495
>Fat drunken slobs
Let's show what a lying sack of shit you are shall we? Starting with invasion of 1066, because fuck saxon swine.
>William I: Rolled up into England with a large army of Normans operating operationally, engaged the Saxons upon defensible ground yet still won with feints, the Saxon resistance is crushed and William sweeps across England destroying all remaining dissenters during the Harrying of the North- over a fourth of the entire population lies dead, and William continues to wage his wars until he dies from a riding injury.
>William II: incompetent king (he sired no heirs), but premier soldier who fought off a rebellion with brutal efficiency and later invaded france to expand the crown's territories. Was assassinated.
>Henry I: fourth son of William I, comes to power with the suspicious death of his brother and swiftly seizes power. Waits around building political power for a while, but then leads another invasion into France when the Duchy of Normandy comes apart at the seams- Henry I pulls it back together in another brutal war. Late falls into grief he never recovers from when his son dies in -the- Shipwreck.
>Stepehn of Blois: Grandson of William, seized power upon the death of Henry I and his lack of heir in the great age of strife known as the Shipwreck, a period of lawless anarchy due to Stephen having a disputable claim to the throne by his mother. A weaker king, but his actions during the war with Empress Matilda spared William Marshal's life, who would go on to save England from disaster and help forge the Magna Carta, cornerstone of democracy.
>Henry II: arguably one of the greatest kings in England's history, Henry II came to power after an agreement by Stephen to name the son of Matilda as his heir. Henry II was a peerless commander in chief, master of logistics that allowed him to carve out the first empire of England- the Angevin Empire. He laid the foundation for the modern England.
>>46251705
Generally they mostly kill each other, just like yuropoors and everyone else have throughout history.
It's a lot harder to kill dudes when they aren't your neighbor.
>>46248207
easy, he starts out as a bad motherfucker but a rash bad motherfucker thus throughout the campaign the prince gains wisdom and thus he mellows out while leading his people to a new golden age
>>46248250
What, like...Dave?
Because without the heroic peasant leader as a protagonist the contemporary audience wouldn't have anyone to identify with
>>46247964
See, because it is the 'in thing' to be all about meritocracy is fiction. Like, the idea is that the guys in charge have to be weak and/or perverse, otherwise there's no opportunity for anyone to rise.
Let's say the prince is a fucking badass, and the king is a good guy. It feels wrong if the prince is the hero, because he's perpetuating the status quo. For some reason, people tend to relate more to everyman heroes (Even though there's usually nothing 'everyman' about them) and thus it's usually a commoner or a low-level noble who gets to be the protagonist.
If someone was born to status, and lives up to that status, it makes people uncomfortable because of the gnawing envy in their heart of hearts. It's like if an eugenics program actually worked and produced the ultimate Aryan warrior.
Like this hilarious sequence from Terra Formars.
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>>46247964
>I liked when princes could be badasses.
>Implying
Last time I played a Prince he was a hardcore motherfucker with an artifact blade and serious devotion to the prosperity of his nation. He was a bonafide Paladin of the kingdom's chief deity and showed it.
>>46255001
Seriously, this guy is amazing. There's one part where he flexes so hard, the bullets he's been shot with explode into his enemies instead.
>>46255030
There's a lot of stuff that would be insanely racist (Like the Russian guy being named Adolf, and his new love interest named Eva) but it's so earnest it's hard to dislike.
>>46255082
>>46255030
>>46255001
>>46254970
Really hard to take him seriously when he's built like that but has a stereotypical animu fuccboi face
>>46255082
He even has a character sheet!
>the prince is a wimpy fuccboi
>father figure dies in front of him, he learns the meaning of love
>after the timeskip he's the most hardcore motherfucker in Europe
>>46247964
Because many people in the modern age subconsciously believe in cosmic justice.
Great wealth and influence must thus be balanced through ineptitude in other areas, and only through hardship and struggle can one become a great warrior or leader.
>>46247964
>Why are princes always shown to be wimply spoiled fuccbois?
I beg your pardon
>>46255263
We cling to the illusions that tell us the world is fundamentally fair.
>>46255374
Did nothing wrong until he got to Northrend
>>46255519
this.
Anyone who cries about stratholme while saying theramore was a legit target deserves to be impaled
>>46254001
You wrote that with one hand on your dick, didn't you?
The thing is, the rank and file knights were usually the most hardcore since they pretty much were kept entertained by fucking up Muslims/peasants/other nobles/each other. Useless kings and princes come from considering any two bit motherfucker with a title akin to warrior kings, but not every king in every nation was some serious badass past (or even during) the point of history you cherry-picked.
Like everything else, it's a narrative device used to make the story move. It's not an affront to the dead men whose cocks you suck.
>>46255546
straththolme just showed how awful others were. They gave no solutions or alternatives, abandoned him, and made him deal with it himself. He clearly didn't do it because he wanted to. If they just fucking helped he wouldn't have been so desperate later.
Arthas had a hard life.
>>46248001
Horses are not kawaii and hard to draw.
>>46255550
>all that anal pain
>>46255511
And the people who believe that life isn't fair cling to the illusion that life specifically blessed/cursed them.
>>46247964
I would be careful with that cultural appropriation anon. You never know what fiery temperament you could "trigger" with that statement.
>>46255550
>the rank and file knights
Are you implying knights aren't nobility?
>>46255639
>word that applies to multiple cultures
>cultural appropriation
Get raped.
>>46255374
I don't get you. Arthas may not have been wimpy, but he was most def a spoiled fuccboi.
>>46255697
>The only true hero in an undead uprising
>Spoiled
A fuccboi wouldn't have done Stratholme.
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>>46255633
>He said mean things, that means he's upset!
When did 4chan become fuckboi central?
>>46255682
Orcs are asexual.
>>46255729
Did you miss the part where he ended up leading said undead uprising and destroying an entire continent, his own kingdom and family included?
>>46255749
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>>46255597
he was the best of them all. Much better than varian who left his kingdom because his fucking 8 year old son wanted him to go talk to thrall.
>>46255117
Most /fit/izens under 25 look like that to some extent though.
>>46255661
There's a difference between a low titled member of the landed gentry and a fucking king/prince, anon.
Minor titles were given out like loli slaves at a Daesh rally for a fair chunk of the Middle Ages.
>>46255790
Maybe if his allies actually gave a damn he wouldn't have gone totally zealot. Uther was the true fuccboi.
>>46255833
Being a knight is bloody expensive, way more than sandlolis.
>>46255748
>gets called out on rectal ruination
>"F-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-fuckboys!"
Right now, the morally correct thing for you to do would be to purchase a large caliber shotgun and then use it to blow your brains out.
>>46247964
>Why are princes always shown to be wimply spoiled fuccbois?
For fujos to imagine them getting their butt plundered and for femdomfags to self-insert onto.
Most stories have strapping, powerful princes unless the royal family are the villains and thus he's weak to show their corrupt stagnation or its a coming of age story where the prince learns how to not be such an inept little shit.
>>46248001
>in anime
Ask /a/
>>46255816
Most /fit/izens only have his legs.
>>46255816
There is no one in /fit/ who looks like that. I promise.
>>46248154
>exceptions
You realize that shit like swordplay and jousting tournaments were commonplace amongst the nobility and that people died at those things, right? You HAD to be strong to survive the noble lifestyle nine times outta ten.
The bloated corrupt ones and the weak inbred were the exceptions until the tail end of the age of kings, m8.
>>46255858
Are you really gonna make me write out a dindu nuffin meme on Arthas?
>>46256079
Tell me everything wrong that Arthas did up until northrend.
Northrend and beyond i'll grant you. Everything before then either cough up them dindus or shut up.
>>46256079
go on. Do it. I will deconstruct it and shove it back into your mouth
>arguing about one of the worst fantasy settings ever conceived by man
Boy, would I like to see you all get hit by a truck.
>>46255597
>straththolme just showed how awful the writers were
FTFY
>>46255794
Cum beard dorf detected.
>>46256172
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>>46255858
Uther just got struck by Sudden Onset Retardation Disorder because Blizzard needed to wipe out as many holdovers from old lore as possible to make way for their MMO.
He was a hardcore motherfucker until 3 happened.
>>46256102
>>46256099
Watch your tone with me, boy!
>>46256133
How can you even consider that?
>>46256133
>/tg/
>having taste
They also like Dragon Age, Borderlands, 40K, and Beserk, for fucks sake
>>46256229
I can hear it now.....that powerful diesel engine, belching smoke throatily as the truck speeds along, the driver not even bothering to hit the brakes when he sees that he's on a collision course with you sacks of human garbage.
>>46256280
I thought everyone hated DA after 2 and cisquisition
>>46256315
I dearly hope that there's a special place in Hell waiting for you, Anon.
>>46256280
It's as if /tg/ is more than one person
>>46256388
Right next to you, trashbag.
>>46247964
Makes the protagonists look more impressive. It's harder for a Peasant to become a duke then a prince.
So the hero looks a lot more badass if he rises past his station. It's also easy hate fuel and the likes. One also has to consider that most knights and nobles at the time tended to act more like fucking gangs these days then what people think.
A realistic prince would be trying to stop his half-brother and his 4th brother from raiding his shit when he wasn't looking or other peoples shit unless the king bribed him with land or the likes. Which doesn't really fit that well in most mass produced fantasy stories.
>>46256404
You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Anon.
>>46248049
King Richard "Lionheart" is proof that war incarnate can be in the monarchy.
That man loved nothing more than fighting. It was even written that he insisted on trying to shoot things with a crossbow as his men carried him away from the battle when he was injured.
>>46256398
It's most certainly a collective. One that collectively trends towards shit taste
>>46256475
Man, that's hilarious.
> "For fuck's sake, let me kill JUST ONE OF THEM! That's all I ask!"
>>46256280
What's wrong with Bagserk?
>>46256224
Its funny how the alliance was alright in destroying the shit out of alterac and ruining a kingdom because they switched sides in war, but paid money to keep the orcs alive after they had been genocidal pests.
>>46256464
Aw, would you look at that, I think the baby is going to cry! This isn't your fucking hugbox, shit for brains, this is 4chan! Deal with it, or get out.
>>46248049
Or you were King John, legal genius.
>>46256515
I'm sorry, Anon. I can't watch you do this.
>>46256576
Good to hear that you'll never come to 4chan again then. Fucking normies, is there anything they won't ruin?
>>46256597
>all he had to say was
>"Greetings young anon, I have been expecting you. I am Carnac"
Useless.
>>46256485
Carnac detected.
>>46256717
>implying Carnac does not have the shittiest of tastes
Carnac likes Bel'a'cuck for fuck's sake. Of course he's going to have shitty tastes in every aspect of his pathetic parody of a life.
>>46256500
It's inconsistent edgewank
>>46256597
I'm kinda wondering whether you realize I've been replying with Warcraft 3 quotes all this time.
>>46256801
Fuck off and die, retard.
>>46256749I was implying you were carnac due to perception bias.
>>46256821
Have a snickers.
Your average reader has more in common with a protagonist of humble background than the nobility, so on a fundamental level we enjoy seeing a rich kid with all the advantages get shown up by one of our own.
>>46256821
now this is butthurt
>>46257044
Mcfucking kill yourself. You are unworthy of life.
>>46257041
>belakor got stoned to death
>>46256475
And he didn't speak a word of English
t.France
>>46255550
>Sincerely believes that capable leaders aren't also able to fuck you up proper
>>46257105
You turn into a right diva when you're hungry.
>>46254737
Worked for the Jews. King David was a badass. Killed a giant when he was a kid.
>>46257193
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>>46257209
Le mao Anon, that is quite the rare pepe meme you posted there.
>>46257175
He also almost bankrupt England to fund his Crusades, and only ever visited it like, twice.
He is up there as one of our worst kings, but you have to respect that he knew what he liked doing and by god he was going to make sure he spent all available time doing it.
>>46255172
Based vinland saga.
Thorkil is still one of my favorite characters
>>46256821
>>46257105
>>46257209
You lied to your fa/tg/uys and betrayed the board that fought for you.
What's got into you, anon?
Is shitposting all that matters to you?
>>46257209
Daily reminder that this hot chick is going to have sex with another hot chick, while you will never touch a hot chick in your life.
>>46247964
Well, to be honest, if you weren't the first-born being groomed to become king, then you pretty much had fucking nothing to do other than to sit around and be waited on hand and foot
>>46257306
Now I'm imagining that Richard was the closest equivalent to Andrew Jackson when it comes English Kings. Both loved fighting and were probably right insane, plus they both nearly bankrupted their respective nations (though Jackson's actions only did so in an economic recession after his administration had been replaced). Anyways, you can get mad nutters and brilliant men as leaders both from the common folk and from the royal lines.
>>46257306
I'm sure there's a joke to be made about England having money and being invaded by muslims vs bankrupting England but keeping the muslims out, but I'm not witty enough to formulate it.
Anywho, how does England rank its worst rulers?
I know Mary Tudor got turned into a boogeyman (Bloody Mary) due to trying to turn back Henry's bullshit and having a short reign that ended with no heirs, but apart from those two?
>>46257701
Not English, but wouldn't King Stephen or whoever screwed up bad enough to be made to sign the Magna Carta be up there on the shit list?
>>46257701
King John gets a disproportionate amount of negative press because he taxed the church and was a lawyer, not a general.
>>46257537
>ice queen
>hot
Ayylmao
>>46257209
This board's really going downhill lately, huh?
>>46256229
>>46256388
>>46256464
>>46256576
>>46256821
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>>46257742
Didn't that have something to do with the king(s) bleeding money towards the 100 years war with France
>>46257701
Charles I was a pretty shit king
He embodied the very worst of arrogance and incompetence.
>>46257742
that was King John, and the magna carta was less about rights for all and more about the Barony protecting their privileges versus the monarchy
Stephen was the guy who ruled during the Anarchy, the very long and chaotic civil war between him and Empress Matilda
>>46257943
No, 100 Years War was later on in the 1300-1400s. Stephen was the 1200s if I remember correctly, and I know the Magna Carta was during that time.
>>46257977
Ah, right, sorry about the confusion. Either way, what's the general opinion about John then? Did he royally fuck up enough by getting forced to sign the magna carta that he's generally regarded as worthless?
>>46258020
He gets a lot of bad press, but more objective history doesn't rank him as particularly bad.
His main issues were that the monks hated him (and they wrote the histories), and that he had to fix Richard's economic fuck ups and pissed off the nobility while doing so.
>>46257977
>>46258020
King John's Magna Carta didn't even go into effect, it was a failed peace treaty between him and the barons.
>>46258020
the historiography on John has changed a lot of the years, ranging from caricatures of villainy to positive portrayals as an anti-papist to sympathetic views. General consensus is that he was a fairly ineffective king though. The magna carta is general seen as quite positive as far as democracy and whiggish history is concerned, but wasn't really something he was directly responsible for. But he's failures in France and against the Barony are the real highlight of his rule, and yeah, he's generally considered one of England/GB's worst ruling monarchs. But it's not really an area I know that much of, so you're probably best firing off some questions of /his/ if you want to know more.
>>46254737
Why not Robert, like the Scots? Then we could have King Bob II
>>46258124
Fair enough, a lot of leaders' problems is that they have to untangle the warped messes that their predecessors created.
>>46258164
Thanks for really not answering my question.
>>46258259
Oh yeah, I forgot about /his/. Kind of sad that I did since history is my favorite thing to talk about.
>>46255550
>cherry picked
Those were all successors in order you fucking retard. The only godawful English kings during the middle ages who behaved liked druken spoiled brats were Henry III, Edward II, and Richard II. Everybody else either was fully removed from the field of battle due to war changing, or was at least a brutal politician even if he wasn't a warrior. John I for example despite being a complete and utter asshole who may or may not have raped his baron's wives, wasn't some pathetic pushover by an insane tyrant.
>>46256475
It's because his mother raised him in the court of love on the ideals of chivalry. The man thought he was the protagonist of life to the point that he often went around without armor because he thought he had honest-to-god plot armor.
It's more likely the reason why he asked for the boy who shot him to be spared. He wanted his entire life to be fit for a fairytale. Shame his men drawn and quartered the child after Lionheart kicked it.
>>46258662
What if he was suicidal and wanted off this rock but couldn't do the deed himself because of religious reasons?
>>46257756
King John gets a lot of shit because he fucked over the guys who wrote history. He didn't actually dick around with the peasants that much and in fact issued law reforms like his father to further modernize england.... but John allegedly forced himself upon the wives of his Barons, and was downright bipolar. You could be his best friend one day, but slight him by accident and suddenly you're stripped of most your lands and possibly exiled.
He was fucked in the head, that much is certain.
>>46258259
The Magna Carta has nothing to do with John, but the Barons that wrote it. John was basically forced at sword-point to sign the Magna Carta or suffer a hunting accident.
>>46258722
Doubt that considering Richard I was as joyful as kings get from accounts of him. And power hungry as fuck. Although he may have had inner guilt eating away at his soul due to being largely responsible for his father's death.
Poor Henry II.
