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Old Thread: >>46213238
*wistful smile*
I'm pretty sure shiny skintight thighhighs are against the law lewd.
>>46213238
>PC tokens include an anthropomorphic shark-girl with huge breasts, generic orc and an anime character
>and an anime character
How horrible! Those damned weebshits!
>>46223506
This is okay, if the ZR goes into S-Rank then it becomes illegal.
What are some easy ways to give a non-strongtail merfolk a speed (land or flight) of at least 30? All Paizo and Dreamscarred allowed, level 5 gestalt.
I want to avoid a mount if possible. Fins to Feet is too costly at this level.
Hey /pfg/, you guys probably know something about DPR calcs. How do I factor in a source of damage that only applies once per round, but can apply on any one attack that connects?Specifically Mesmerist's Painful Stare, if it matters.
>>46223468
I've got a question.
Is there a reason Kitusne always have those thick eyebrows? Is it supposed to be something on kitsune masks? Stylized fox eyes? I don't get it.
>>46223506
>trap.png
How against the law is it for them to be on a trap?
>>46223629
Fetishism.
>>46223645
We are an equal opportunity lawful society and will oppress traps just as much.
>>46223615
>level 5
take Fleet 3 times and take 1 level of barbarian or monk
>>46223629
I think it's supposed to mimic the thing that courtiers in ye old japan did, but I don't actually know.
>>46223615
Synthesist summoner, wand of expeditious Retreat(?), a bathtub on wheels with a commoner slave, that one shitty feat, a level in monk/barbarian/bloodrager
>>46223629
I think it's a holdover from them being symbolized by shrines to agricultural kami
>tfw you will never have a two-tailed Kitsune Oracle BBEG with the Site-Bound curse who does all she do because of desperate loneliness
>>46223512
Anime characters are awful, anon, and he was playing his as a generic ends-justify-the-means loner.
>>46223734
I always forget that curse exists. Site-Bound: for when god was more interested in cursing you than in the powers you'd get for it.
>>46223615
>All Paizo and Dreamscarred allowed, level 5 gestalt.
Aegis 5, flight customization.
>>46223615
Talk your DM into letting you get an Apparatus of Kwalish.
>>46223715
Does DSP give any new options?
>>46223782
Just play a gestalt Oracle//Tactician and max out the range of your Collective.
>>46223442
Heads up but the age category old should give you -3 physicals.
>>46223734
>Kitsune speak in antiquated, formal English
Oh my god I need more.
>>46223870
2hufag talked in antiquated formal English and nobody liked him.But he also wasn't a kitsune.
>>46223807
It probably gives you a fucktons of good options (see: the aegis suggestion) but I unfortunately don't have as much familiarity with it as 1pp. Mostly because my GM is a lazy shit who refuses to look at and approve of DSP stuffbecause it's tax season and he's working all the time.
There's also the option of going Witch or Hexcrafters Magus for the Flight hex.
>>46223468
>no edition
BUT HOW WILL I KNOW WHAT SHITPOSTS TO START WITH, BEFORE DEVOLVING INTO EITHER WAIFUS, MAKING FORREST AND QANON KISS, OR ADULT WORLD REE?
>>46223734
What is this? I want it.
>>46223870
Read the official translation of Spice & Wolf. LN or manga, they're both like that.
>>46223870
Here, have another.
Regarding last thread's brief discussion on phylacteries:
Successful Lich leading my undead army to world domination here.
I've already conquered two "countries" (what the fuck is Paizo smoking, it was like taking candy from a baby).
My phylactery is in my private demiplane. All the plane contains is my phylactery and just enough room for a body to form nearby. The plane is covered in about 18 permanent spells, including Mage's Private Sanctum, Nondetection, Protection from Good, Alarm, what-have-you. Layers of redundancy, just in case. Time does not pass inside the demiplane, and there is no need to eat, drink or sleep while within. You also cannot die of old age in the demiplane, as time doesn't pass. Any living being within is technically immortal. The only way inside the demiplane is for me to "die" and be recreated there, after which I am free to teleport wherever I desire.
The phylactery itself is my daughter, restrained so it can't kill itself, inside a small box covered in multiple layers of adamantium, inubrix and dreamstone, and enveloped in a shitload (at least 30) different permanent spells. The phylactery is a 17th level Sorcerer that's got a Geas to blast anyone but me with a slew of save-or-die spells (about 8 or so I believe) if they somehow miracle themselves into the demiplane. If that defense fails and the phylactery's container is damaged even a little, the phylactery teleports to my location as a last ditch effort. To prevent the phylactery from doing anything, the metal was molded around it, making sure it's restrained. It cannot kill itself due to a Geas preventing such activity.
My GM has absolutely no idea how to kill me.
>>46223902
>no edition
Kitsune traps in thighhighs edition.
>>46223931
Isn't this the one where the kitsune is actually a horrible witch-bitch and the comic makes you feel bad for sympathizing with her?
>>46223734
>>46223931
I wanted to steal this for a homebrew setting, having a kitsune demigod stuck living in a cursed wood, too weak to escape because nobody remembered they existed. As long as they stayed near their shrine, they had awesome power, but too far away and they'd be too weak to defend themself.
If the party ever ran into the shrine,hewould mistake a random party member for an old friend and refuse to hear reason.
>>46223870
Then make nice with 2hufag or something, sempai.
>>46223931
Damn you, and DAMN YOUR FEELS.
>>46222751
>Find new campaign with new DM on Roll20, doesn't have any red flags and fits my schedule nicely so I apply with a halfling magus
>Get accepted
>Fastforward a week to the first session, meeting the other players OOC for the first time
>The specialest of special snowflake aasimar druid with a tiger companion, a gnome rogue with a crossbow, and some generic, forgettable fighter
>startingtosweat.png
>We start in a throne room with a king telling us how awesome we are for saving his kingdom (we're level 3, might I add) and saying he will give us whatever we want
>My character's major goal is to become a merchant, king snaps his fingers and it's done, least satisfying completion of character motivation I've ever had
>Other characters ask for other stuff, fighter wants a cool sword, rogue wants to be put in charge of thieves guild, druid was all like "No don't reward me goodness is its own reward!"
>King now insists we join an expedition he's sending across the eastern sea to a new continent
>"Wait I thought you were making me a merchant"
>Turns out he's giving me a wagon full of supplies and expects me to set up business in the unexplored continent that has no known civilization on it, apparently selling supplies to the rest of the expedition
This isn't even touching on the first encounter being with a CR 18 kraken on our ship, the DM surprising us with the fact that he decided to use Unchained Action Economy (never mentioned anything about Unchained before that), or that the druid wanted her tiger animal companion to fuck my halfling. We weren't even half way through the first session and I already knew I wasn't going to come back for the second.
>>46223870
>>46223931
I'll do you a solid and throw this here http://imgur.com/a/cpQO7
There's an unrelated pic at the end, it was in the same folder and forgot to separate them.
>>46223994
Yes and no.
She's a horrible witch-bitch because she's a very jealous being that is not above landslides, plagues, or brutally murdering every woman in your life just for attention... But at the same time, she became this way due to centuries of loneliness and isolation in a tiny shrine on a lonely mountain.
Her actions are inexcusable, but the reasons behind her actions are sympathetic.
>>46223889
>>46224005
More relevantly, he was also an autistic prick who actively considered points of view other than his own to be inferior, and began every discussion from the stance of "I'm logical and correct, you're emotional and incorrect, let me teach you why you're wrong". You need to be pleasant or interesting, before people want you senpai.
>>46224025
>or that the druid wanted her tiger animal companion to fuck my halfling.
What.
>>46224098
Sounds like the best part to be honest.
>>46224033
>not staying with a cutie like that, young and immortal forever
Worst MC
>>46223945
If time doesn't pass in the demiplane, then the 1d10 days it will take for your body to reform when you die will never pass. I think you've made a mistake. It's the same way that buff spells can't run out while you're on a demiplane where time doesn't pass.
>>46224152
Why would you possibly want to leave your modern young adult life to spend eternity in a lame little shrine with a clingy kitsune that hasn't even gained her third tail?
>>46224098
>>46224142
I mean it wouldn't be my first rodeo with freaky ERP so if it weren't for the fact that everything else in the game were awful I probably would have stuck around and played it out. The DM was on-board with that too, I think he and the druid players were friends or something. They seemed to know each other.
But everything else WAS awful and I didn't even consider the idea of sticking around.
>>46224159
My reformation takes 12 seconds, or rather, two standard actions worth of spellcasts, which works fine in there. One to create the body, and one to place my soul within. Once I die, my soul returns to the phylactery instantaneously.
Ah, Spheres of Power...
>>46224210
I spend all my time in one dingy room anyway, may as well pay to run DSL to a shrine and spend it in a slightly less dingy room with a cute girl who wants me.
Besides, this way you can watch her get her tails! Imagine throwing her a tailsday party!
>>46224097
Naw, he's just legit autistic. Real autists come off like:
>"I'm logical and correct, you're emotional and incorrect, let me teach you why you're wrong"
This a lot because they're shit at communication.
![[made in heaven].png](https://i.imgur.com/FW2pxWd.png "[made in heaven].png")
>>46224152
>being a plaything for a jealous, clingy, practically-homicidal godling
Why, anon?
>>46224097
No, that's the actual autism at work there. He literally can't decipher or communicate emotions through text, so he has no idea how to read or write tone. What he's actually done has been pretty nice. Donated money to DSP when they needed it (and no, it wasn't stolen from his mother, despite what that one butthurt liar kept saying), and let /pfg/ decide what the stuff he got was going to be.
>>46224291
Bought and uploaded PDFs for /pfg/ too.
>>46224278
>>46224252
Things are going to get wild when she gets her ninth tail.
Although it does sound like she's been around for a long time and still been stuck at two tails, which suggests she's doing something VERY wrong.
Mainly, being a mature, wise and responsible adult, which is what the tails are meant to reflect.
Best way to get constant flight at level 5 apart from race/aegis? Paizo/DSP allowed.
>>46224239
Man I know how that feels.
>Having literally zero limiters on your capacity to accept or deal with lewd while the rest of the party acts like the biggest prudes
>>46224257
>>46224291
Real talk dudes: I'm autistic as all hell. You don't have to put that shit on public display. You can learn, through rote repetition if nothing else, to act like a human fucking being. The fact that he doesn't, and will prefer to argue the same stupid point for five goddamn threads despite getting blown the fuck out from response one, because he is somehow incapable of wrapping his head around the fact that he's wrong, tells me that he's either lazy, doesn't think we're worth it, or thinks himself better for it. These are all traits I find abhorrent, because that kind of shit is what gets autists shit on in the first place.
>>46224321
You just fucking asked that.
>>46224321
SoP has many ways to achieve flight really early on.
Also, I believe an Oracle mystery grants flight quite early, although I don't think it's level 5.
>>46224321
This again? Race or aegis. Sorry, lad, but those are your options if you want to have a really damn good mode of movement always available to you at a low level. Either accept a limited duration or be a race or class that allows it.
>>46224152
>grandpa lost apparently half his family to the kitsune's curses, so he just up and invented a one-shot magical seal to lock away a natural-disaster-tier being
>MC suspects his girlfriend is actively being killed by this thing, but still manages to just coolly stroll in and slap the seal on her head before she knows what's happening
Best MC, I want to read more of this guy's adventures.
>>46224337
Well he's definitely not lazy, because as another diagnosed autist who is definitely a lazy fuck, I can confirm that the combinations leads to being chill enough to just let things go when you disagree with someone on the internet. I'm sure as hell not going to type out 6,000-ish characters across multiple posts just to address all the fine points of why I disagree with someone.Ignore the irony in this post, it's not lost on me.
Can confirm that it's possible for autists to learn to act at least somewhat natural. We're not all alike though, so I'm sure some people have a harder time of it. I consider myself lucky that my /tg/ interests helped me make some friends IRL during high school, since that in turn helped me learn to function normally. More normally, at least.
>>46224321
Racial Heritage (tengu), Tengu's Wings
I guess it is still restricted by race, but it is pretty broad at least.
>>46224469
Never mind, just realised that this one wasn't permanent.
Don't hide it from us, /pfg/! Would you rather haveto put upwithBUILDPOSTERor2hufag?
>>46224469
>Be human
>Get wings
What? Tengu aren't compatible with humans to begin with, and if you're a human raised by Tengu you aren't going to start growing wings.
>>46224497
2hufag any day.
>>46223468
Speaking of Kitsune, anyone find it odd how whenever Kitsune characters are brought up on /pfg/ they're male?
Where's the girls, man.
>>46224497
touhou isn't malicious, just on a different, maybe incompatible, wavelength from most people
Buildposter, now that's a prick.I thought pfg was for talking about pathfinder, not pfg regulars
>>46224536
We stopped being about pathfinder when the concentrated cancer of DSP entered our veins.
Can someone link me to the living legend soulknife please!
>>46224503
Your mistake is expecting consistency and logic. You can take Racial Heritage (Kobold) to get a tail slap (Tail Terror)
tl;dr: Humans can boink everything in PF. EVERYTHING.
>>46224337
But he's often right about rules shit anyway.
>>46224503
Racial Heritage lets you apply for any effect, including feats, as if you were that race. So you can take Magic Tail despite not being a Kitsune, or Tengu Wings despite not being Tengu.
>>46224497
Definitely 2hu.
>>46224497
Touhou, for certain.
>>46223660
Oppress with your dicks?
>>46224564
>>46224574
How do you explain this in-game though.
Because holy shit is doing something like this the fast track to making me despise you as a character.
>>46224564
Even figments of their imagination?
>>46224534
>implying they aren't fawning over their le fluffy tail whyfoos all day every day
Then again it's not like I'm any less weeb since I want to playan Angelkin Aasimar Chosen One Paladin from Irrisen.
>>46224536
Then let's talk brew.
What's your MOST GAME-IMPROVING homebrew in use, /pfg/?
Mine isHeal checks can heal hit points up to 0, because my players literally cannot understand or remember that Heal does not actually heal damage and I can't crush their dreams anymore, I don't have the heart to do it every single time it comes up.
>>46224557
>thinking /pfg/ was really any different before DSP showed up
Sure, we spent less time talking about material DSP had in the works. People still recommended Aegis or ZHS for every other build, talked about waifus, and shitposted memes at the start of every general.
>>46224596
I can't love Ran and Chen anymore after seeing them graphically eat a human because that's what Youkai do.
>>46224631
It'd be a damn sure bet if we had more DDS or paizo devs here to give and receive feedback directly we'd be talking about that material more too.
>>46224497
2hu, every day of the week, twice on Thursdays.
>>46224609
Magic. Kitsune is pretty easy though, you have a kitsune ancestor which is pretty plausible since in japanese mythology all kitsune seem to do is try and get into the pants of some poor man. As for Tengu wings an ancestor was a friend of a tengu magician who blessed that man's line with a connection to the Tengu.
>>46224657
Quick, someone get Mark Seifter on the phone!
>>46224619
>implying I have any finished homebrew
Daggone it all, I wanted to homebrewthat cartoon class, that class with pseudo-iteratives on its Standard for thrown weapons, and the Hand of Evil archetype for Antipaladinsand let my players playtest them but I've got writer's block.
>>46224497
Touhou. He might be somewhat annoying, but he brings up good points and has a reasonable grasp of the rules, which has allowed him to add some things to the FAQ through speaking with DSP devs.
BUILDPOSTER on the other hand seems to lack any sort of system mastery and is generally abrasive, moreso than the earnest lack of understanding 2hu has.
>>46224564
>Play a human with Racial Heritage (Kobold) for the tail slap
>Fluff it as a butt-bump
>End every Full Attack with a 1d6 booty slam
Perfect.
>>46224619
Combat maneuvers don't provoke attacks of opportunity unless you botch them. Improved maneuvers/dirty fighting means they don't provoke period.
You can high-jump much higher if you roll well enough, because it makes sense to me that the brawler who killed a fucking triceratops in one punch can jump high enough to grab a flying mage.
>>46224619
>Treat Deadly Wounds: When treating deadly wounds, you can restore hit points to a damaged creature. Treating deadly wounds restores 1 hit point per level of the creature. If you exceed the DC by 5 or more, add your Wisdom modifier (if positive) to this amount. A creature can only benefit from its deadly wounds being treated within 24 hours of being injured and never more than once per day. You must expend two uses from a healer's kit to perform this task. You take a –2 penalty on your Heal skill check for each use from the healer's kit that you lack.
tfw heal can heal damage
>>46224616
>Even figments of their imagination
The iconic Spiritualist's Phantom is her dead husband. This means you can have a relationship with your phantom
The Fractured Mind Spiritualist archetype gives you a phantom drawn from your own mind, rather than a deceased spirit.
Do the math.
>>46224751
>>46224619
Mine is "there's no GM if there's no pizza"
>>46224751
I was going to make a comment, but then I realized the reference.
8/10, you almost had me
>>46224469
>>46224564
This kind of stuff is why Racial Heritage is one of the banned feats in my group.
>>46224700
Didn't BUILDPOSTER at least demonstrate that the Kineticist wasn't quite as bad as everyone said it was? I can't recall for sure, but he showed that a Kineticist can beat the DPS of an Expert with archery feats without drowning in burn? Or do I have that wrong? There was so much shouting going on that I don't really remember how it all settled out.
>>46224712
That's a great rule on the combat maneuvers.
>>46224763
Well, I mean, if it's you, as in a part of yourself made manifest, as in basically your Persona.
Does that make it incest, or?
Let's not even get into what it means if you're a Fractured Mind with a Lust Phantom.
>>46224763
gr8 b8 m8
>>46224801
I just got a hilarious idea. Group Therapy of Fractured Mind Spiritualists.
>>46224798
>BUILDPOSTER and Kineticist
It was less that he proved it and more than he was ignoring the memes. Kineticist is nowhere near as bad as the memes say, but it's still not good; Aether Kineticist is pretty much Tier 4 and can do some impressively silly shit.
>>46224619
TWF gives you the second attack on your standard action, one-handing lets you use Combat Expertise with no attack penalty, and shields are all keyed to a particular physical damage type that they're weak to so they provide DR [x] / that type. And no I don't have a crossbow or gun rule, I just can't bring myself to care that they suck.
>>46224534
I mean, I considered asking my GM for a Kitsune waifu if I ever got to use leadership, but other than that I've had no real reason to ever play a female kitsune. Closest thing I've done so far is make the kitsune I am playing very effeminate.
>>46224859
I can believe that, I just wish you didn't have to deal with fucking burn.
I just wanted to play an airbender without managing how much nonlethal unhealable damage I have to carry around to be good at my job, and my GM preemptively banned the class because he hated the "cast from hitpoints" thing and didn't think it filled any useful niche in the setting.
>>46224877
Make crossbows knock people back like bull rushes.Make bull rushes deal damage if they hit objects or people.
>>46224798
>>46224859
He made one good niche build with the kineticist that was based on playing it counterintuitively from how the class is presented.
He argued this made the kineticist an overall good class.
>>46224825
>each of them has a Phantom that's effectively the opposite of their personalities, which they have to accept can exist in themselves before they can truly control them>the bubbly friend-to-everyone NG Shelynite girl has Hatred
>the bored-sounding LN Rahadoumi has Zeal
>the holier-than-thou LG Iomedaean has Lust
>the reckless KELLID STRONK Gorumite has Fear
>>46224917
Wasn't all BUILDPOSTER's math based on not actually taking any burn beyond what you sign up for at the start of the day to get some passive stat bonuses? I don't know how Kineticist works so I didn't pay that much attention, but I think I remember him saying something like that.
>>46224337
That or he's more severely autistic than you.
>>46224497
2hu for sure.
>>46224657
I think it's been confirmed that we've had Paizo devs lurking here/posting as anon, since they displayed awareness of /pfg/ and /pfg/ posters making threads. I don't think they stuck around or are willing to do any official PR here.
>>46224968
It was, yeah.
>>46224534
I got a female Kitsune bard in my group. Although my character refuses to believe she is Kitsune, instead believing she is a human with the power to turn into a fox-person.I was also the one who had to break the news to our Gunslinger that, no, her fox form is not just having a fox tail and ears.
>>46223889
I liked him!
>>46224968
That's pretty much how you have to play kineticist: you have a certain amount of burn that you need to get Elemental Overflow bonuses, so you distribute exactly that much burn into your passives (the defense wild talents).
You don't ever want to take burn past that, so all combat and utility tech is judged based on 'can I activate this with no more than a move-action of Gather Power'. Internal Buffer gives you a tiny bit of leeway, but by and large 'taking burn' is something you should never ever do as a PC kineticist.
>>46224291
>let /pfg/ decide what the stuff he got was going to be.
It ended up being the Baneposting discipline, though.
>>46225052
That's fine because as an autist 2hufag loved baneposting.
>>46223789
or Aegis 3 + Student of the Astral Suit
>>46225014
>not getting a costume tail and ears to wear while in human form to please the gunslinger
>tfw I've been studying alloys and metallurgy all day so I'm full-autism on compositions for the ideal sword or armor
I need to know the qualities of Adamantine and Mithral when bonded with steel, I need to make muh alloy.
>>46225014
Then what's the point??
>>46223945
nobody cares about your EXTREMELY creepy loli-incest-bondage sex fantasy
>>46225124
I always feel like 2hufag would be a great person to talk to if he could wrap his head around projecting tone. Maybe that's just my own autism talking, but he seems to be a decent sort, and I actually like having him around.
>>46225175
Point of what? The anon isn't the Kitsune, he's playing a gunslinger that refuses to believe the Kitsune bars is a kitsune.
>>46224240
it doesn't matter how long it takes if time doesn't pass
12 seconds or 12 days or 12 years
>>46225052
When will DSP put on the mask and make the discipline?
>>46225279
It'll go with the PoW archetype for the Vigilante, of course.
A bolt ace gunslinger with rapid reload can reload his hand crossbow or light crossbow as "not an action"
What the hell does that mean?
>>46225224
No what's the point ofA Kitsune that doesn't have just ears and a tail.
>>46225247
Did you read past the first five words of his post, anon? Timeless doesn't stop you from taking actions, and he only needs to take two standard actions.
>>46225303
What's the point of a kitsune at all?
>>46225295
Not an action mean it's not limited to your turn, like free actions, and it's not limited by the dm, like free actions. As long as you have ammo and are capable of reloading you can assume your crossbow is loaded.
I found a picture of Forrest guys.
>>46225328
Damn
So you still can't reload two hand crossbows if you're dual wielding them
>>46225247
Time doesn't pass relative to planes without time trait.
>>46225295
Presumably it's a free action that can be taken even if it's not your turn. Like, I think there was a feat at the end of 9000 feat long chain that let you threaten and make aoos with ranged weapons.
>>46225350
Grab a prehensile tail, a juggling bard, or an ethumion..
>>46225339
That's a dude, anon.
>>46225224
Nah, I'm the halfling cavalier, the Gunslinger is another player, I was simply the one telling the Gunslinger that the kitsune's true form was full on anthropomorphic fox and not just growing some ears and a tail.
>>46225371
Doesn't matter, they're cute!
>>46225321
What's the point of anything really?
>>46225321
>What's the point of a kitsune at all?
Samurai and Ninja have been "cool" since the 80s, only makes sense that if you're starting to have fantasy settings inspired by other cultures that you'll take their mythological creatures too.
>>46225190
Try searching the archives for the Planescape General threads maybe?
>>46225190
a lot of autists are like that
they can be smart and genuinely insightful people but they're terrible at communicating it and (like 2hu) usually even worse at dealing with being wrong
rather have a decent autist than the normal chan shitposter though
>>46225392
It depends. Can you eat it, fuck it, or buy things with it?
>>46225404
Too lazy to actually do that and only mildly curious what's up, can I get a one or two-sentence summary of what you mean?
>>46225423
>It depends. Can you eat it, fuck it, or buy things with it?
Well, Kitsune are fuckable, so there's your answer.
>>46225445
But kitsune are ugly.
>>46225423
2hu has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the Planescape settings and maintains a series of threads about it, where since he's never actually wrong, and since there's no ruleset to be a lawyer about, he's not nearly as bad to deal with.
>>46224666
If the prophecy says so...
>>46225190
2hufag really is a nice guy. He does have significant flaws; mainly perfectionism, an inability to stop arguing when he thinks he's in the right, and that coupled with unable to read people's emotions well does make him frustrating for a lot of people.
But he's not malicious, takes things to heart when trying to improve, and from what I understand he runs well balanced and flavourful games, if somewhat uninspired characterwise.
I've always found him to be trying as hard as he can to be polite while putting forth his opinion; sadly 4chan sees that as being passive aggressive, rather than being oblivious/unresponsive to the barbed jibes thrown at him.
What class would you play in Curse of the Crimson Throne, /pfg/?
Actually, this leads to an interesting query
What Skills do not yet have Disciplines associated with them? And what ideas could we come up with for them?
I'm not sure if Knowledge (Engineering has one, so would it perhaps be something like pic related?
>>46225478
Probably either Steelfist Commando, Monk of the Silver Fist, or some flavor of wizard.
>>46225478
Also, how do you deal with the Heavy Shit that is the "your child was kidnapped and probably sold into slavery" background trait?
Got a question, /pfg/.
My group's getting back into PF after a long haitus from the game, and we're starting a new campaign this weekend with level 4 characters. My GM has indicated he thinks it might be best for the group if I tried playing a wizard, given that my compatriots are not generally inclined to play full-casters and we usually end up needing one.
Only thing is, I've never actually played a full-caster, either. How the fuck does one wizard at level 4? I'm not used to classes that have basically nothing to fall back on when spells per day are exhausted.
>>46225451
The expression "foxy" exists for a reason, both in English and Japanese.
>>46225481
Neither Swim nor Climb have associated disciplines, meaning a Str-focused initiator is fuckled.
>>46225481
Climb, Fly, Swim, all knowledges except one, disable device, escape artist, handle animal, linguistics, appraise, disguise, profession, umd.
>>46225303
>>46225377
Why would someone possibly want to play the anthro-fox when kenomomimi, full-on fox or pure human is superior?
>>46225499
I looked that up and it turns out there's actually a mildly interesting reason for that.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=foxy
American women around the turn of the 20th century used to use fox tails to hide their butts.
>>46225531
Minus the kenomomimi, agreed.
>>46225423
>>46225454
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/Planescape%20General/
>>46225497
>How the fuck does one wizard at level 4? I'm not used to classes that have basically nothing to fall back on when spells per day are exhausted.
You need one spell per fight. Do you have four spells available at level 4?
>>46225495
I love that trait, it makes you go from disconnected money-grubbed to Angry Dad/Mom.
Playing an Angry Dad has been excellent so far, 100% recommend.
>>46225542
Kitsune are canonically beautiful, BUILDPOSTER.
>>46225528
>UMD Discipline
I wonder what that would be like.
>>46225470
>if somewhat uninspired characterwise
Opposite of that.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46123021/#46136078
>>46225497
Cantrips aren't expended on use, so prepare one of the 1d3 rays and then you'll have at least something to do every round.
>>46225531
If I ever play a kitsune character, the first thing I'll ask the GM will be "Can we just say my character's true form is a weird-looking fox, not an anthro?"
>>46225481
There have been plans in the past to make homebrew disciplines for other skills. I'm still waiting for swim-based Eldritch Tide.
>>46225531
No, I meant that the konekomimi is superior.
>>46225663
>konekomimi
...kitten ears?
>>46225531
>>46225663
It's kemonomimi, you fucking retards.
>>46225695
I am dying of laughter imagining tiny tiny cat ears and tail. Like, the size of an actual cat's ears and tail. Completely out of scale to a human.
>>46225550
Thanks.
>>46225579
Canon says lots of silly things.
>>46225583
Didn't someone make a discipline based on DOSH and using it to beat your enemies? Spending stuff on scrolls and the like is probably a bit more indirect than intended, but that might be a start.
>>46225739
Pardon me I'm not versed in the intricacies of girls with animal ears used as fetish fuel.
>>46225603
He's been making progress, I see.
One of the other flaws is that his players are terrible people who want to be led around while being able to do what they want and solve everything ever while having a challenge but one that's easily solvable and he won't ditch them because they're some of the few people who will put up with the spiels he goes off on.
>>46225778
It's the best feitish, anon.
>>46225779
You're right of course, the problem is that he somehow manages to only get bad players, not that he can't craft an interesting story because he can't get a handle on basic human emotion.
"I don't understand why my players didn't like spending a session being thanked by a parade of random strangers because logically the thanks of a stranger are worth way more than the thanks of a friend" holy fucking hell I would sever my eyeballs.
>>46225822
Well it's certainly one of the cuter and more harmless ones...
>>46225497
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mmafMuRRd3ubCMhCNmOomLUn_YvaVXiHwSyuC1YDrNc/edit
tl;dr: don't play blaster, instead improve your party's strength, create difficult terrain for the enemy, maybe throw in a couple of summoned monsters to help with flanking and tanking.
If your GM intends to give you decent downtime in between sessions/missions, pick up the Wondrous Item Creation feat.
>>46225822
>Not traps.
>>46225891
Those are obviously girls, you are looking too hard for traps.
>>46225852
As mentioned; "somewhat uninspired characterwise".
>>46225891
Trap based discipline/character when?
>>46224792
But what's the reference?
>>46225908About that-the one on the right is a girl, while the one on the left isn't, canonically-though the artist apparently decided to add breasts.
>>46225891
Well, I'm not into homossexuality.
But if you enjoy get fucked in the ass by feminine dudes, it's all right, anon. No one here can judge you.
>>46225583
I'm contemplating making it discipline skill for Nanoha: the discipline I've been procrastinating since Flux playtest. Apparently, the file for it has been lying on my drive for almost a year now.
Though Diplomacyor Intimidateis much more obvious choice.
>>46225908
One is a girl the other is a guy.The one in the skirtThey're from Overlord
>>46225908
Right is a girl, left is a boy.
>>46225891
>>46225916
What's the appeal of a trap?
I'm not interested in fucking some effeminate twink up the ass just because they're wearing a pretty skirt and stuffed bra. It's gross and not for me, but the thing that gets me bothered is it being marketed as something I *should* be attracted to, because apparently straight men should want to fuck other men.
>>46225908
Anon I hate to break it to you....The one in pants isfemalethe one is a skirt ismale.
>>46225908
That human emperor's train of thought regarding little Mare was priceless, I'll admit.
Overlord's one of the few where 'traps' are played out fairly amusingly and not disgustingly or creepily.
Mostly because the guardians don't actually understand the concept but have "deciphered" that obviously since a supreme being wanted it this way it's definitely how things must be; children wear the opposite sex's clothing until they're old enough.
Demiurge is probably wondering at what age to get Mare a nice suit worthy of his position.
>>46225967
There's no point in a stuffed bra, they're just cute as they are, and they look good in the clothing they look good in!
But really, I want a character who lays traps/special terrain/ something around the battlefield to make it a bullethell environment.Sadly probably can't be done well in this type of game
>>46225967
No one is telling you what to like with any seriousness.
>>46225967
Which just means you're more concerned with biology than aesthetics, and that's fine. Some people don't mind what's down below as long as there's enough femininity above and around it.
>>46225967
The appeal to me is that I'm not straight and not a man, you do you brother.
>>46225509
>>46225528
>Swim
Walking Tide. A Discipline that focuses on mobility, charges, and repositioning enemies. Also aids in underwater combat, and is based vaguely off of Jeet Kun Doh. Weapon groups are Monk, Spears, and Flails
>Climb
Grinding Glacier. Defensive style, that focuses on keeping close to enemies, grapples, and deflecting attacks. Weapon Groups are Close, Axes, and Hammers
>Knowledge (Engineering)
Golden Architect. Supernatural. A math focused discipline that puts emphasis on sundering and bypassing defenses. Weapon Groups are Thrown, Hammers, and Improvised Weaponry
>Disable Device
Finger of Havoc. Focuses on Sunder, steal, trips, disarming, and sabatoging enemy actions. High in counters. Weapon Groups are Close, Light Blades, Crossbows, and Firearms
>Escape Artist
Formless Wisp. Supernatural. Emphasis on combat mobility, attacks of opportunity, and anti-flanking maneuvers. High level stuff includes turning into phantom or misty forms. Weapon Groups are Close, Light Blades, and Heavy Blades.
>Disguise
Pale Masquerade. Honestly not too sure. Not even sure if it should be supernatural or not. I guess it'd be like Shattered Mirror, but the opposite somehow. Could probably work well with feints. Weapon Groups could be Close, Double, and Improvised Weaponry.
This is what I got so far. Thoughts? Should I try to brainstorm more?
Tell me about the times you've been rewarded with land or titles, /pfg/.
Because I keep hearing that's a standard thing for mid/high level adventurers but I've yet to see a reward at that level which wasn't just "here's another quest you little shit" or a generic pot of gold.
Bonus points if you actually got to play around with your new land or titles, and extra double points if youturned the game into Crusader Kings 2, complete with wife/husband-shopping.
>>46225999
Liberally use caltrops, and get a sphere of annihilation.
>>46226005
Poe's law, anon. Statistically, someone probably is.
Captcha, graffiti is not a street sign.
>>46225967
IIRC there are theories about it that has to do with the combination of the feminine body, which straight males are attracted to, and the sexual organ they are most connected to. I mean, why do you think porn so often zooms in on the penis doing the penetration?
>>46225999
>I want to specialize in traps!
>Hilarious misunderstanding ensues
>>46226036
Yeah, but I'd rather have something feasible in combat.
>>46225967
Honestly the appeal to me is the feminine aspects. I just like cute
>>46225999
>But really, I want a character who lays traps/special terrain/ something around the battlefield to make it a bullethell environment.
http://tome-of-radiance.wikia.com/wiki/Barriers
Balance is questionable though, don't mix it with regular classes.
>>46225967
I'm neutral to the whole thing since I'm not into that either, but I do think that those telling us we SHOULD be into traps *may* have a bit of a "congressman in airport bathrooms" issue.
That is to say, they're sounding a little too desperate trying to convince themselves that they're not actually gay.
>Yeah sure thing buddy, you want to fuck a guy but it's not gay because he's wearing a skirt (feel the same way about kilts?), yeah totally it's totally not gay bro totally yeah.
It's like those guys loudly telling themselves that when your favorite part of a 'girl' is 'her' 3ft dong, it's totally not gay somehow.
... It's entirely non no-homo.
>>46223624
Determine the chance of hitting with at least one attack during your routine, then multiply that with the bonus damage of the source and add it to your total.
>>46226019
I enjoy aesthetics as much as anyone, anon.
Only difference is I don't get sexually or romantically attracted to things with good aesthetics but conflicting biology.
>>46226052
>Balance is questionable though, don't mix it with regular classes.
Fuck.
>>46226063
But I don't mind a penis or a lack there of, I just like cute things!
>>46226088
Liking cute things =/= wanting to fuck cute things.
>>46226031
I like them, I actually screenshotted for inspiration.
>>46226104
Well duh.
>>46225999
This reminds me of Yoshimo....
>Traps, traps everywhere in vs. Firkraag fight
>>46226063
I absolutely admit that it's basically my way to sneak in some love for the D and still call myself a lesbian.
But I appreciate them on levels beyond sexual, they're just... really cute. Artists tend to exaggerate the feminine aspects of traps, beyond even what they do for regular cute girls. Plus they're usually a little awkward or uncomfortable, and that's somehow adorable.
>>46226088
>Fuck.
It's magical girls the book, what did you expect.
>>46223624
Calculate the decimal probability of missing all your attacks. Subtract that from 1 to get the probability that at least one hits. Multiply the answer by your painful stare's average damage. The answer is the average DPR of your painful stare.
I assume you know your painful stare's average damage or can calculate it easily.
>>46226104
For example, I think certain things are quite adorable, even if others may disagree. But I don't actually want to fuck them. It's thus not a fetish, as it is not sexual.
"It's okay/better if it's a trap"? They're talking about fapping mats there, friend.
THAT'S sexual.
>>46226137
Well I had never heard of it before, so knowing this wouldn't readily be accepted makes me sad.
>>46226136
>I absolutely admit that it's basically my way to sneak in some love for the D and still call myself a lesbian.
Are you some weird kind of lesbian that hates the V? Did you try futa?
>>46226047
Then just get a bunch of spheres of annihilation instead, it's a move action to take/keep control of one, but a free action to move them. So you can control two at a time, unless you find some way to get more move actions, and just throw them around and play bullet hell because anything that they touch dies, isn't it wonderful?
As for how to go about getting them well that is a little more difficult.
>>46226112
Want me to try the others? I can't guarantee it'll be any good.
>>46226063
Naw I'm pretty queer, I just prefer feminine over masculine usually.
Now the trap ranger any good?
>>46226178
>Then just get a bunch of spheres of annihilation instead
Are minor artifacts easy to get in most games? Besides it instantly destroys enemies so let's not even pretend it's balanced to build a character around.
>>46225852
>>46225909
The Observerfag dude said he made good and interesting NPCs.
>>46226035
See >>46224025
Became the greatest merchant in all the land... except it's a really shitty land and I'm also the ONLY merchant. The rogue was suppose to establish a new thieves' guild and assume the position of Grand Shadow, but that also doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Since when are thieves' guilds officially sanctioned by the crown?
>>46226183
There's only so much design space. You could attempt but overlap may occur.
>>46226138
Oh, and because I realized I forgot how to do the first step.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterCreation.html
Those are the average stats for a monster of any given CR. Compare your to-hit to whatever AC you'd like, usually a monster with CR equal to your level for a mook or CR+4 for a boss. Many monsters vary from these because they're meant to be strong/weak in different areas, but it's a bit hard to take that into account. For an example, let's look at a level 6 full-BAB class, assuming two iterative attacks at +10/+5 for nice round numbers.
Average AC at CR 6, a mook to this guy, is 19. So the first attack hits on a roll of 9 or higher, and the second hits on 14 or higher. So for all attacks to miss, this guy has to roll an 8 or lower on the first iterative, a 40% chance, AND then roll a 13 or lower on the second iterative, a 65% chance. To find the probability of both of these occurring, multiply .4 and .65 to get .26, or a 26% chance both attacks miss a mook. In this case, you would multiply your painful stare's average damage by .74, since painful stare has a 74% chance of applying to a mook encounter.
For CR 10, a boss encounter to our hypothetical level 6 full-BAB guy, the average AC is 24. He needs a 14 or higher to hit with the first and a 19 or higher to hit with the second. The chance of either missing is 65% for the first and 90% for the second. Thus, the chance of both missing would be 58.5%, and since your painful stare would apply 41.5% of the time, you would multiply its average damage by .415 to find its average DPR against a boss.
>>46226168
Nah, I like 'em both well enough. I just vastly prefer the aesthetics of the female body, which traps (and yeah, futa) are way closer to than regular dudes.
>>46226184
No, ranger traps are particularly terrible.
First off it's a class ability you have to pay for. Literally.
Second, it takes forever. It's not like some games where 'traps' are something you'd quickly set as an action like a delayed blast fireball or the like.
Third, the general parameters of them are complete shit.
*THAT SAID*... There ARE ways of maximizing traps that are completely broken and go against the very spirit of the game... and THOSE can actually be somewhat useful.
I won't say too much lest it be forever "errata" nerfed away, but consider covering yourself in things that'll autotrigger and self-reset while you fight; effectively weapons not using your actions.
/pfg/ how do I price vehicle construction and design?
I am trying to make boats and/or airships here, and there's... I can't find fuck-all for this even in the so-called "vehicle" chapters.
>>46225852
> logically the thanks of a stranger are worth way more than the thanks of a friend
But that's true.
>>46226242
Fantasy Thieves Guilds are often allowed, or even sanctioned, on the grounds that organized crime with rules is better than disorganized crime without. I'm not sure if this is a thing that ever happened in real life. See: Discworld
>>46226309
I'll keep this in mind.
>>46226343
Right, sure, logically. I don't give a shit about logically, though. Non-autists are emotional. I would lose my MIND if a session consisted of walking down a parade route and being stopped by strangers every ten feet to be thanked in detail for the shit I did that butterfly-effected its way back to improve the life of some rando I've never heard of. Over and over and fucking over again.
Bring me the named NPCs I've actually formed some bonds with, man. Let's have a some actual emotional reunions instead of the DM wanking himself over how cleverly he wove the plot into these dumbfuck's lives.
>>46226336
Obligatory DSP shill http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?452172-Dreamscarred-Press-Presents-quot-Arcforge-Technology-Expanded-quot
Vehicle part is only starting to be rolled out for playtest I think.
There was airship book in playtest for a week or so, but apparently it was awful and shelved.
>>46226394
yeah, most of my table would cross the critical paranoia threshold after about half an hour of this.
it... it would not end well for those strangers.
>>46226426
You know what, I change my mind. I want to play this session now that you've reminded me that wanton murder is always an option. "YOUR LIFE IMPROVED? TIME TO RESTORE THE STATUS QUO!"
>>46226351
>I'm not sure if this is a thing that ever happened in real life.
It's called "government".
>>46226488
Spotted the anarchist.
>>46226394
Speaking of, can you suggest how to make meeting the king or duke a serious event?
I'm trying to figure out when I should let the party meet the king, but I'm starting to think that they might not ever get the chance at all; the king does all his work through the chancellor of courtiers, and the party only gets a heart-to-heart near the end of the game.
>>46226409
Call us when they have a price in goldpieces, not in class features.
Same goes for the mechs, whilst we're talking about it.
>>46224619
• Strength refluffed to Guts.
• Weapon list is mostly guns.
• Most guns can make 'melee' attacks and threaten out to 10ft using Guts to hit and damage as if they are melee reach weapons, but can also make a true ranged attack as a standard action, as a special ability of the weapon. These attributes flucuate with weapon variety of course.
• Long-ranged bows still exist as sniper rifles with their Dex-based hitting (Guts to damage though).
Modern setting that can actually use all the melee-focused gameplay of PF. Your wizard will look like a dork though.
>>46225470
Touhoufag please go.
>>46226531
>Druids get motorcycles, not fighters.
>Run off ride
>Unlike the Pure steam gyrocycle which uses accrobatics
>Requires class features, uses inflexible skills, isn't anything special.
>Jarring implementation that comes across like a D&D wiki page.
Better yet, let's all pretend this didn't happen and just slap the thundering charge on the gyro cycle
>>46226284
The math here is fine, but the CRs presented are off and the monster creation table is an inaccurate farce. You'd get better numbers from looking through a few creatures of the appropriate CR of varying roles, and looking at what NPCs of the right level are capable of.
A creature of your CR is not a mook, unless you consider your character a mook for some reason. They're the same threat level as your character. You're more likely to see creatures 1 to 3 CRs under you running interference or throwing abilities around in a well designed encounter, and an enemy of your CR or 1 or 2 points higher as a 'boss'.
>>46226409
Holy shit this is awful, what the hell happ-
>Sslard
Ah, that'll do it
What was the absolute cutest thing to ever happen in your time playing Pathfinder?
>>46226657
Good points. I assumed that he was in a party of 4-6 PCs and thus one creature of level-equivalent CR was not a challenge, fair enough, should have mentioned the party assumption. It's also true that looking at actual statblocks of monsters and NPCs will be more accurate, but in my experience if you'd just like a quick ballpark estimate of something the monster creation table is acceptable. Although to be fair that also assumes you have enough experience to know what sort of margin of error the table has.
>>46226758
>>46226629
>>46226531
Good thing this is an open playtest. Go file a complaint.
>>46226629
>60ft max speed
Fuck that, I get better speeds out of my pure steam bicycle and it only costs me 500gp.
Spend 1,000gp on an engine made of two clockwork prosthetic legs, some spring-heal shoes and some tanks of expedition retreat oil and you breach 180ft speed, easy.
Ssalarn's obsession with his own shitty mech rules is going to fuck this shit right up.
News flash, Ssalarn: Your mech user classes are borderline unplayable and you made a motorcycle slower than most bicycles.
>>46226830
The dread archetype is really fucking overpowered at low levels with Small races.
>>46226409
>Increase mech hardness at lowest levels where people complain they're invulnerable
>Remove its ability to ever resist adamantine even with enhancement upgrades at higher levels where shit's hitting you for 50-60 per swing in a full attack and the hardness would actually finally count for something
>Motorcycles are a class feature
This is not cool, guys. not cool at all.
>>46226551
Can I steal this? Does it actually work out?
>>46226409
>>46226629
>Options for having a mech as an animal companion
Ah, finally a way to pilot giant robot animals. I wonder how it-
>Your animal companion must be a motorcycle. Sadly no way of fluffing a druid pilot that makes sense, so your GM should feel free to ban this.
SSALAAAAAARN
>>46226183
>>46226031
>>46226279
Okay, here goes
>Handle Animal
Velvet Lash. Supernatural, it focuses on restricting enemies while also giving bonuses to Ally actions and movements. Weapon Groups are Flails, Spears, and Polearms
>Appraise
Gilded Eye. Supernatural. Focuses on creating and manipulating "supply and demand" of the battlefield. Includes granting temporary HP and points to people's different pools, balancing out the strengths of allies and enemies, and redirection. Can also use coins as weapons. Weapon Groups include Bows, Thrown, and Polearms
>Use Magic Device
Diamond Butterfly. Supernatural, this discipline is a bit different. It specializes in granting equipment Enhancement bonuses, transferring Qualities between weapons and armor in your possession, and even chaining, linking, and using magic items with your Weapon. Weapon Groups are Double Weapons, Monk Weapons, and you can use Staffs, Wands, and Rods as Discipline Weapons.
>Linguistics
Iron Tongue. Not sure what to do here. Feels like it would have too much overlap with Golden Lion and Scarlet Throne. Could possibly be paired with Craft (calligraphy) to make a fruity writing-themed discipline. Weapon Groups would be Light Blades, Polearms, and Spears.
That should cover the basic skills. Next will be the Knowledge ones
Thoughts?
>>46226884
>>Increase mech hardness at lowest levels where people complain they're invulnerable
Hahahahahahaha WHAT?
>>46226787
>tfw your groups are awful at cute things so you've never had a cute experience in Pathfinder.
>>46226884
So, how about the fact you can quite easily have said mech destroyed and become an expert.
Reactor Knight below lvl 5 is painful to play.
>>46226910
Handle Animal discipline should be FF5 Beastmaster and I will hear no argument to the contrary
>>46226509
Unfortunately, tinfoil hat actually has a point.
Consider the ramifications of the "War on <insert subject here>", rampant data collection and Civil Assets Forfeiture.
What the fuck *else* can you call having no legal protection against being sexually assaulted just because it's an airport and the person wears a uniform?
What the fuck *else* can you call having your shit stolen by cops or feds purely for the sake of "we want a new TV, and I want this guy's tablet for free"?
That's not even counting the amount of blackmail and stalker creeping that has been provided and enhanced by the data acquisition programs and drone tech, which have *both* already been proven (and officially admitted to) to have done *nothing*(for our security) save be used for wanton abuses ranging from creeping on your ex to planting pedo files on people you don't like?
Systematic, organized, government-protected crime, where the victims have no legal recourse and are severely outgunned can and does happen. It happens a lot.
We're standing knee deep in the shit, and most of us can't bring ourselves to see it because it's too much like a bad movie.
>>46226951
So why not just, like, link your HP to the mech's or something? You already have a psychic bond with it.
