>He honestly believes that takesie-backsies makes playing a game more fun
I am so tired of having to defend myself against this constant gamist harassment on this board.
Then play something else or without them, you petty fuck.
>>46130980
>disagreement is harassment
Jesus christ
>Stop liking what I don't like
>>46131089
Mate, besides me here>>46131069, no one else is in here. The poster counter keeps you from sucking your own dick.
>>46131069
I would if you would stop shitting up every new game with them you childish bitch
>3 replies
>2 posters
>seemingly 3 different opinions
ffs op, we get it ur a faggot. You already made this thread today.
>>46130577
Tend to agree.
Fate points make you roleplay to support the mechanics.
Most other systems use the mechanics to support the roleplay.
>>46131123
>>46131137
>two assmad fatefags flipping their shit trying to desperately distract from the issue at hand
>>46131135
Quit complaining.
Children complain, adults either do something about it or remove themselves from the situation.
Either become the emperor of entertainment or just do not play the games with this.
>>46131153
since when was "someone likes something I don't like" an issue?
>>46131153
Yes, fuel the fire and make it look like there is an actual argument to be had. Totally not you pissing the bed because you can not handle someone else is is not following your rules.
I feel like fate points just legitimize something a lot.of DMS are doing anyway so who cares?
>>46131201
>fatefag
>accusing anyone else in the universe of pissing the bed
5/10, I chuckled
Alright, everyone abandon the thread. Probably an SA goon or crossposter looking to fag it up.
Move along.
>>46131224
>Everyone stop talking about this because I don't like it
Reddit please
>>46131239
except that's essentially the same attitude of the OP: "everyone stop doing this because I don't like it"
>>46131262
Says the assmad fatefag who can't stop defending his free rerolls
>>46131316
I've never played a game of fate in my life.
I don't even think I've ever even used a game with some sort of mulligan mechanic, but you're apparently angry that someone had a good time with a system that does.
>>46131333
trips confirm, this anon is so retarded that he decided to wade in and desperately defend something he's never done in his life
>>46131215
A lot of dms are letting people get out of jail free whenever they get in trouble? Since when?
>>46130577
Goddamn, I hate it when people think that posting a single line of greentext and a disapproving image are a good way to begin a thread. How is this quality content?
>>46131412
>the comparative quality fallacy
Fuck your quest or general by the way
>>46131433
Anything's better than "I have nothing to say about a topic, so here's a frog/Japanese girl/politician making a stupid face.
>>46131147
Pretty good point. FATE is not, in fact, a roleplaying game. It's a graded storytelling exercise.
>>46130577
>>46130980
>>46131089
>>46131153
>>46131216
>>46131239
>>46131316
>>46131355
>>46131433
Here's my guess. With this many posts, I'm bound to be off quite a bit.
How many (Yous) did I score? Screencaps please.
In any case, anonymous, there are more productive fun things to do than troll people. Like, playing a TTRPG, for one. I have to wonder what exactly is going through your head when you posted this, and tried to stir shit up. Not in the sense of "Wow, ur dum", but in the sense of, what did you hope to achieve here? Is it so important to you to try to make people angry on the internet?
If you just want to laugh at other people, you can go on youtube, there's plenty of idiots there for you to choose from.
What is so important to you that you feel the need to intentionally try to goad people into arguing with you?
Considering that you take direct attempts to "shut down" arguments (I.e. calling people reddit, accusing people of being fallacious or idiots), that it's a power thing.
So what's going on, talk to me. Something specific got you feeling crappy, or is it a general sense of ennui. You might be thinking "wow look at this homo" or maybe "liberal/cuck/reddit" depending on your school of shitposting, but fuck, man, it's anonymous. You can drop the pretense and we can have some honest talk here, and in a few hours the thread will 404 and nobody will ever know, you can go right back to shitposting if you're so inclined.
So what's up?
>>46131663
>everyone who disagrees with me needs help from me to see things my way!
FATE players, everyone
>>46131738
What up Virt.
Getting some sick caps for your blog?
>>46131738
Never played the game. I don't care what you think about it, but if you've got some particular reason to shitpost, I'd like to hear it.
>>46130980
This is the most worthless faux-SJW post I've seen today, and I was just in Stardew Valley General.
>>46131798
Daily reminder that the shitposter who posts about Virt in every thread is evading a permanent ban. Please report him in hopes that he stays banned this time.
>>46130577
This is a troll thread. Why is everyone responding to a damn troll thread?
>>46131525
Agreed, fuck that trash
>>46131844
Because they literally cannot stop defending bad game mechanics that make games easier for them
"Cancer" is a meaningless term. What fate points are a symptom of is failed game balance. The designer goes "hmm, there are situations where due to random chance, my game will fuck up and kill someone in a situation that they really shouldn't die. How do I fix this?" The solution of "make the system not do that" is often hard to implement and would require throwing a lot out. So instead the developer decides to implement fate points, which make those cases irrelevant.
The problem is they also make death irrelevant, decreasing tension, and are only a band-aid to the initial problem, treating symptoms rather than causes.
You know folks, it can sometimes be necessary to bump your own thread to make it actually live. Few people enter a thread with no posts. Op did a shitty job of it, in >>46130980, but his intent wasn't necessarily as malodorous as y'all are assuming.
>>46131844
This is a thread about the design of traditional games. It's phrased fagaliciously, but the actual merit of fate points as a design conceit is still worth discussing.
>>46131885
>"Cancer" is a meaningless term.
>Describes cancer perfectly
Cancer is something that grows and the more it grows the more it kills the host. In this case, shitty lazy permissive game mechanics are the cancer and new rpgs are the host.
>>46131960
>permissive
This isn't the problem. All a fate point does is make you not die. Not dying is fine, and you can survive without having concecuences. Consider Magical Burst – It's almost impossible to die by accident, and even if you want to kill your character, it's pretty tough. Because the real danger is overusing magic, and as you do that your character is slowly corrupted into a bizarre monster. Of note, that game also has a "not die" aspect, but it's one that makes sense – You can't be killed in your magical form, and when you run out of resolve (basically HP) you return to your mundane form, where anything can kill you. That's arguably permissive, if you consider death the only penalty (which is retarded, but for the sake of argument) and yet it is neither lazy nor cancerous.
tl;dr: "permissiveness" isn't the problem and games that don't kill you can still punish you.
>>46131405
my players always expect me to just bail them out whenever they fuck up, i don't know why.
>>46132078
>Consider Magical Burst
No I will not.
>>46132239
That's retarded. Try hitting them with a game over once in a while.
>>46132239
Talk to them
You need to agree on what you want.
>>46132311
Nah, fuck it
>>46130577
Generally speaking, I disagree. Not all games need fate/plot/action points. However, when a standard part of the genre you seek to emulate is improbably fortuitous turns of fate and plot-shield, they are appropriate.
Not every game needs to be narativist
Not every game needs to be simulationist
Not every game needs to be gameist
Personally, I prefer a player-centric balance between gameism and narativism, However, I'm a GM who likes to run games in which the PC's are the protagonists of the still unwritten story, and giving such power to the players makes my job easier. Players enjoy it, I enjoy it, but it's not for everyone.
>>46132239
Then either don't bail them out so they learn or play a system/game where crushing failure is always on the table so they're less upset when it happens.
>>46132485
>emulating plot-shielding
Sorry I don't roleplay for attention, I roleplay for fun
>>46132565
RIght? What fun could possibly be drawn from utilizing and simulating genre tropes that we've been immersed in since childhood? Everything that isn't gritty realism isn't role-play, right? A consistent cast throughout a campaign? Characters being motivated by internal character hooks rather than external plot-train? rather than bluh, so boring: give me a revolving door cast that doesn't even remember the first adventure any day.
Give me a fucking break.
>>46132969
>tropes
Stopped reading there
>>46132996
I'm sorry that you don't like things that other people like.
>>46133546
I'm sorry that you don't like what the dice rolled and can't deal with it.
gr8 b8 m8 8/8
these other faggots realized it too l8
>>46130577
Seriously, why not just play pretend without rules if you need a special rule to save you from the rules whenever the rules don't do what you want?
>>46133644
Forever GM buddy, reading comprehension (see >>46132485 ) try again.
>>46133774
>using a shit system but blaming the players
>>46131147
That's only true if you gain fate points for good roleplaying?
Otherwise it's a way to counteract shitty luck at dice ruining your narrative.
It's a way for the players to be in control of the narrative instead of the dice.
>>46133833
>It's a way for the audience to be in control of the movie instead of the script
>>46133849
That analogy is wrong on so many levels.
>>46133874
Sure thing, Zoe Quinn
>>46133849
>audience (player) participation is bad, the GM should write the story and have them watch
>>46132485
>Players enjoy it, I enjoy it,
>>46133813
>blaming the players
Blaming the players for what, everyone having a good time?
Again, reading comprehension.
99% certain you're a troll at this point, but please, keep going.
>>46133918
>What I really want is a game where the only player interaction is killing shit and separated by cutscenes.
>>46134045
>you open the door and you find
>A TREASURE
>no it was going to be a mons-
>ITS A TREASURE
>okay you open the door and find a treasure but it's cur
>ITS VERY VALUABLE
>err comon what's the point it's the first doo
>THE DOOR IS MADE OF GOLD AND DIAMONDS TOO WE SPEND ALL OUR FATE POINTS ON IT
F A T E
>>46134067
in what system can fate points do that
this bait isn't even logical
>>46134126
The point is, if you help write the story it is pointless to read
>>46134067
Wow, what a monumental waste of all your remaining fate points, and clearly something the GM is going to turn on you.
>>46134126
I remember dramatic editing being a thing in ADVENTURE!, as well as some other games that copped it, it's a fun mechanic for the right genre.
>>46134187
Good thing it's a group game and social activity instead of a lecture by a storyteller.
>>46133849
>>46133833
>Go to a sandwich shop and order a ham and swiss sandwich
>The sandwich shop owner takes your money and fixes your sandwich
>He give you a meatball sub instead
>It's not what you paid for
>You press a button and he makes the sandwich again
>This time it's your ham and swiss
>The sandwich shop owner still gets the money and you actually get your sandwich that you ordered
The alternative would be that the owner takes the sandwich back and throws you out of the store leaving both of you unhappy. That's not how it should work.
>>46134187
But anon, in every RPG the players help write the story, fate points or no.
I DESPISE Mario Bros extra lives in RPGs. They disgust me.
That being said rerolls aren't the issue, its the overall probabilities involved.
>>46134418
>tripfag
>>46134262
>and clearly something the GM is going to turn on you.
I really seriously fucking hate the adversarial nonsense. Way better to just avoid meta crap.
>>46134512
What's that? Metagaming shits up rpgs?
WEIRD
>>46134547
Unfortunately, metagaming is now a category of RPGs (narrative)
>>46132276
glad to see you have no other arguments, then.
Is someone on /tg/ actually arguing that collaborative storytelling is bad? What the fuck?
Why not just visit /o/ and tell them they should walk everywhere?
>>46134668
This board is but a shadow of it's former self, really.
>>46134638
Nailed it. Just like cultural marxism is now a category of rpgs: (Apocalypse World)
>>46134668
"Collaborative storytelling" is probably as old as D&D. Narrativism, on the other hand, is one of the newest genres in RPGs and drastically different of a playstyle, as you're not thinking of it from the PC's perspective but from the player's.
>>46134668
Uh, yeah. That's exactly what everyone is saying. A story is not a game.
>>46134753
wait what?
>>46135080
Apocalypse World is like a pdf of a gender studies course. Cultural Marxism.
>>46135214
Do you have anything at all worth saying, or are you just here to bitch about Zoe Quinn and Cultural Marxism?
Because this is getting dumber and dumber.
>>46135234
It's pretty obvious that the only reason you're mad about those references is that they are perfectly fucking apt. Have you considered blogging about it?
>>46135272
>Have you considered blogging about it?
Better question - have you considered bogging about it somewhere else?
>>46135294
Why are you so mad that rerolling failed rolls is pandering garbage?
>>46134873
>Rerolls = narrativist game
Rerolls have been around in most games that are not D&D since the 70s
The only way this troll makes sense is if he only plays D&D and doesn't aknowledge any D&D exists past rules cyclopedia.
>>46135391
>>46135399
>this one specific type of reroll used to exist that means that retarded ass fate points are totally legit
Go back to twitter
>>46132078
I'm on your side and you have no idea what you're talking about. 40k fate points keep you from dying. FATE fate points, being discussed here, have nothing to do with that, as FATE doesn't force death in loss, only removal from scene.
>>46135424
You don't know how fate points work.
>>46135453
>you can't even fucking die in FATE
fuck me it's way worse than I even imagined
>>46135487
Let's try a different angle.
>fuck me it's way worse than I even imagined
Why?
>>46135487
Actually, you can. 'Die' is a way to be removed from the scene. It's just you can be taken out in ways OTHER than death. So it's not the only option.
>>46135503
Oh good, you can choose to die whenever you'd like, that sounds pretty good.
No, no, that's great.
Just great.
>>46135543
Why is it bad?
>>46135549
Oh no, it's great.
Really good.
Excellent.
Oh great I can only guess this is going to be spammed daily now, fucking Christ.
>ITT
>>46135487
>Gygax's opinions
>Gygax's designs
>worth anything
>>46131412
He would've won the argument immediately if he'd posted a smug anime girl instead. Didn't you know that's how arguing on 4chan works?
>>46135543
Yeah, except it's not really your choice.
You can choose to go out early and control your exit somewhat but guess what? That's called surrendering.
If you fight to the last and get killed you're leaving the scene and there's going to be hell to pay. You might leave in a bag for sure, but you might just be blind forever, or lose your sword fighting arm, or whatnot.
It does depend on the genre and the group, but FATE is actually pretty hardcore in that if you play a GRRM-style campaign going out of a scene can lead to any number of bad ends, not just -10 HP and re-roll. And guess what, you don't automatically get a new character if your guy isn't dead. The GM can be a real prick about that if the group allows it. Welcome to being a blind shitty swordsman forever.
>>46136605
>FATE is actually pretty hardcore
>>46135543
>>46135560
>>46136671
>Only sarcastic remarks left
Well, show's over, guys. We broke him.
This pretty much sums up the thread
Why is spending a fate point to gain +2 to the next roll is haram while casting a spell to gain the same bonus is halal?
>>46133546
How does it feel being an autistic pedophile
>>46136728
It's not, OP doesn't really have an argument and is just shitposting faggot.
>>46130577
>2020-4
>Still being so buttblasted people play elfgames different from you that you make the same autistic thread two days in a row.
>>46136693
>I'm being made fun of, I win the thread
Looks like all three of the fatefags in the universe just logged into twitter and facebook for the morning and decided to come do some damage control
>>46136749
>>46136794
Hey, why is it so important for you to be able to dictate what happens to your character?
Can handle a little depth? Gotta keep things real, real shallow in case you start getting mad?
>>46136847
>>46136878
Knew it
>>46136847
>being able to have a little say in the narrative based on a limited resource the GM controls
>dictating what happens to your character
>>46136899
>being able to save yourself from anything happening that you don't like
>a little say
>>46136847
This
>Hey, why is it so important for you to be able to dictate what happens to your character?
and this
>Can handle a little depth? Gotta keep things real, real shallow in case you start getting mad?
have absolutely nothing to do with each other. There's nothing to refute because you didn't actually say anything. Stop making your own argument look bad.
>>46136909
>a +2 bonus or a reroll is enough to automatically save yourself from anything
>>46136928
>being this angry about the truth
>>46136941
>I threw a fit until I got a takesie-backsie
>if it doesn't work the way I want that makes up for the tantrum
>>46136942
>Someone revealed that I secretly don't have an argument.
>Better call him angry.
>>46136966
>rerolls are takesie-backsies
>never mind that in Fate you need to think of a reason why your aspect lets you do that
>>46136975
>posting ten thousand times in a thread doing damage control for an embarrassingly bad mechanic
>not mad
Tell me about your mother, anon. Was she extremely lenient with you when you failed as a child?
ITT OP goes where no sperglord has gone before.
>>46137023
>123 posts
>About twenty of them are this faggot
>23 unique posters
>22 people know you're a faggot.
>what is 100/22
>"posting ten thousand times"
I thought autists were supposed to be good at math.
What's sad is that there are legit criticisms to be made about meta-narrativist systems like Fate and PbtA, but OP is just being such a faggot that
it almost makes me want to play these games.
>>46137064
>anger signaling
>>46137064
We aren't. We're just good at our special interests. Math just happens to be the stereotypical special interest of Hollywood autists.
>>46137102
Is autism one of your aspects, fatefriend?
>>46130980
>gamist harassment
>implying rerolls can't be a well implemented game mechanic
>implying gamism is bad
C'mon. OP is a faggot, don't lower yourself to his level.
>>46137114
Although I have autism, I wouldn't consider it one of my aspects.
I don't play FATE, either.
>This system has fate points
>Guess I won't use them
The end
>>46137178
>the system is incredibly bad
>better never mention it because that would be wrong
/fatefags/
How are reroll mechanics bad?
>>46137088
It doesn't work for everything, but it's a fun experience.
Legit criticisms indeed, but most of them stem from the fact that FATE in particular doesn't scratch the tactical itch that D&D or MtG might. There's also not a lot of fun in character generation, and a bunch of other sacred cows.
It's not BAD because of that, but it is different.
A real hole in it is that FATE is relatively crunchy for such a different game, but using accelerated or something would account for a lighter taste.
>>46137227
>How are reroll mechanics bad?
>>46137222
>I need to criticise something!
>Better make sure I'm not constructive or interesting.
At the very least, try and make your criticism clever and evidence based, fuckmorton.
>>46137254
John Wick, answer the question or you lose.
>>46137265
This one fatefag sure is going nuts in this thread. You'd think he was really mad or something.
>>46137254
It's a fair and honest question. Your reluctance to answer it implies that you're just trying to rile people up with controversial assertions.
So I'll ask again. How are reroll mechanics bad?
>>46137350
>How are reroll mechanics bad?
>>46137306
You'd like that, wouldn't you.
>>46137389
So you don't have an answer? I mean, you could just say so. There's no shame in being wrong.
>>46137435
>>46137389
>>46137453
You lose, John Wick.
>>46134187
Then tell the GM to write his fucking novel, and I'll read it on the shitter.
>>46137523
Awww, he's still just a little bitty maddie, isn't he?
>>46137541
>>46137453
I don't know what you're trying to prove.
>>46137657
Better reroll and try again
>>46130577
This thread proves how baitable Current Year + 1 /tg/ is.
>>46137723
Or it just proves how bad fate is that in 152 posts nobody has managed to even come close to defending it
>>46137806
Or it proves how good you are at reverse psychology viral marketing Fate.
>>46137806
A single coherent criticism has yet to emerge. The defenders slumber, as there is no threat.
>>46137859
>I'm going to play a terrible game just to spite you!
No you won't. No-one ever does.
>>46137541
Is it wrong I'd fuck that hipster if he lost the beard?
>>46138023
FATE
>>46138018
Explain Pathfinder's popularity, then
>>46138098
Yes, I'd play FATE with him too.I draw the line at craft beers though, liquor or get out
>>46137806
It proves how good it is that in 152 posts nobody has managed to even come close to attacking it. Aside from "it sucks because I say so!"
>>46138581
>good
>>46138651
>>46138651
Well, if literally nobody can make an argument against it, it's gotta be pretty high quality.
>>46138759
Oh yes, definitely.
Remind me again why you can't handle roleplaying without crutches though?
>46138856
I'm not sure where this sentiment of "crutch" is coming from or what possible context it yields.
Starting to think this thread is Fred Hick's way of reaching out to the 4chan audience.
It's a shame Fate is the only system in existence otherwise this problem could be solved by simply using another system.
Oh well, I guess there's literally nothing you can do.
This is bait but I'm replying anyway.
Fate points are a necessary evil, because players are stupid. They'll build their characters ineptly, make retarded decisions, then blame the DM when their special snowflakes get killed off and the game will fall apart. Fate points at least keep them alive a little longer.
>>46140220
Wouldn't it be better to teach players that dying isn't the end of the world? Fuck, my first GM had us make character trees so we'd be ready to go with a minimum of fuss if someone died.
>>46135487
>takesy-backsies
What made you think we were talking about FATE's fate points?
>>46140851
Meant for
>>46135453
>>46130577
>he honestly believes that attaching laughing pictures to his posts makes his opinion carry more weight
>>46136738
Shouldn't you know? You're on 4chan too.
>>46140220
>This is bait but I'm replying anyway.
>Players are stupid
You are OP and I claim my five pounds.
