Looks like GW is bringing tournies back.
>http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/bombshell-games-workshop-returns-to-organized-play.html
There is a point system for Age of Sigmar as well.
After years of tears and gnashing of teeth? What say you /tg/?
Possibly too late, but there are signs that GW is starting to realize how retarded they are.
>>46080393
Too little. Too late. Not a tournament player so they're putting a bandaid on the arm when they need to be fixing the broken leg
>>46080393
To little to late.
The rules are still really bad so it'll just be flyers and deathstars for days.
Dunno why I would suffer any GW sanctioned event when I could just play WHM for WAAC faggotry, Infinity for Kurwa, Xwing for cheap and quicks, etc.
>>46080410
no, the new ceo is realizing how retarded kirby was
the bigger point: POINTS FOR AoS!
>>46080393
Pretty retarded, after spending the last decade systematically pissing off tournament players in every way possible.
It also doesn't change the fact that their rules are an unforgivable mess that aren't acceptable for competitive play, so whether the tournament is sanctioned or not it won't stop it from being a total shit-show.
>>46080479
Maybe they will have some tournament rules or something.
>>46080393
bringing back WHF and have AOS just be a skirmish game in the rules like how 40k has kill team rules when?
>>46080512
You people are fools if you think this is them backpedaling on AoS. They have talked of supporting tournament play for this game since the beginning.
AoS is not a flop, no matter how much you choose to believe it is.
>>46080445
Actually, the new CEO and board of directors realized how retarded Kirby was 18 months ago, probably a while before.
But it takes time to make changes, so you unfortunately can't stall some releases without shooting yourself in the foot or undo a lot of decisions easily. What we're seeing is 18 months of momentum finally swinging in the direct the new CEO has been pushing it to go. An ear to the community in the most recent public game events, a push for a return of organized play, an announcement of a return of Specialist Games in some form or another, and now a return of officially supported tournaments.
GW's been coasting on its momentum for years, but Kirby decided he'd keep it treading water by gutting it slowly, even fostering his terrible idea of a pointless system in the AoS release. New CEO has been working to undo the damage, and seems to understand how they shape up with regards to their competition, competition that has flourished as people hopped from the sinking ship that is GW.
Will it be enough? Is it too little too late? It's certainly a step in the right direction at least.
>>46080562
i dont, its wishful thinking on my part. i just miss WHF at my local shop. i only get to play it a few times a year now and it makes me sad. i have expanded my 40k army and started malifeux but they not the same as having big bricks of untis wheeling and charging stuff.
>>46080573
GW has been dying forever, so I don't think they've hit the 'too late' point yet.
I'm just hoping the first few tournaments might make them realize how much of an unbalanced mess they've made and that they'll start cleaning it up.
>>46080562
I agree that WFB isn't coming back but to say AoS isn't a failure is stupid.
>>46080573
They still have momentum, all FLGTs in my area still sell GW despite it not actually being played and no game has really filled the gap.
If they bring back specialists games in a big way like Mordheim, I expect them to clear out what little has developed in their absence quite quickly. Then use those specialist games and licensed vidya as a gateway to the large wargames once the rules are actually sane again.
Looking forward to it.
>>46080445
>>46080573
What is the role of the CEO?
>>46080617
Well look at their competition. Warma is HUGELY into the tournament scene, and seems to actively cultivate competitive players, and Infinity is in the middle of an expansive Flamestrike narrative campaign with match setups representing a huge conflict across an entire continent with all factions participating.
The tournament scene keeps those heavily invested in a community happy, providing them with another level of participation, and gives the rest of the community something they can dip into every once and a while to get their feet wet, meet some people, and have fun. And in many cases, like the 13th Black Crusade campaign or Flamestrike, they open up the possibility of narrative influenced directly by audience participation.
>>46080764
Head of the company in some cases, most often a guy they pay a lot of money to take the fall and resign when the company hits issues.
Kirby thought he was some kind of genius messiah when it came down to it, though, what with publishing his own GW manifesto which contains a few good, but generic, pieces of advice and w WHOLE lot of bad ones.
>bell of lost souls
>well that is a terrible start, maybe they link to a real source in it?
>cannot find links to any sites that have reporting based in reality
Am I missing something?
>>46080619
AoS isnt a failure, and that's not a stupid statement
the problem is people are trying to look for aos success among the old whfb playerbase, which is stupid. the game is budding and slowly growing in completely new communities where there was no whfb before. i found that more aos players are coming from 40k than whfb.
>>46081055
AoS isn't a failure and it's a better financial success than WHFB was, but it's still a money sink compared to just letting it die and focusing resources on 40k and 30k.
>>46080445
Points is only one fraction of all the problems with AoS.
>>46081055
What are you basing that statement on? I don't even know of any groups running GW games in my area anymore.
>>46082223
One of the worlds in the AoS universe is a world where people are actually buying and playing AoS.
>>46080393
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!?
What fucking ruleset do they plan to use? Theres no fucking way 40k can be taken seriously as a competitive game in it's current state.
>>46081129
You're a fucking retard, and have zero basis for that idiotic statement. WHFB was a thinbg for 30 years, AoS has been out for what, a year? What criteria are you using to make the claim AoS is a 'better financial success'
....oh why the fuck am I even wasting my time, you're obviously a retard.
>>46082521
>What criteria are you using to make the claim AoS is a 'better financial success'
2015 yearly profit?
There's a reason they moved to AoS instead of keeping WHFB the way it was if they were actually making good profit with WHFB.
>>46082455
>implying the 40k tournament scene hasnt been running strong since gw pulled tournament support
>what is the ITC?
Are you really this ignorant?
>>46082588
2015 also included the end times, and the start of the system. of course it had a spike in popularity, but that popularity has not lasted.
>>46082521
I'm not one of the people who tells people not to sperg out or calls people mad, but if you're going to do it, at least be right.
"The company cannot divulge sales figures, its in a closed period and Age of Sigmar is only in its third month, but in terms of other metrics, downloads and Sigmar themed magazine sales, management seems more than satisfied. Anyway, it’s at pains to point out, Warhammer Age of Sigmar is a long-term investment."
http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop-agm%3A-relentless-profit-machine
>>46082611
Nobody said anything about AoS's long term success, only that it currently isn't a financial failure unlike WHFB. If it was, we'd have seen much lower profit as it wouldn't have recouped its startup costs.
>>46082609
unless GW decides to use ITC, there are serious issues with 40k at the moment.
Look at how big the ITC tournament packet is. Unless GW puts out a bunch of FAQs, there won't be a viable game, it will just be Unbound Eldarfest 2016.
>>46082648
In 2016, it is financially failing. There are signs of it everywhere.
As>>46082641
said, it is not having success in the short term.
>>46080393
>There is a point system for Age of Sigmar as well.
Like points will make meme scream: the game work.
>>46080562
>AoS is not a flop, no matter how much you choose to believe it is.
At least choose a more believable lie, shill.
Wow a tournament sanctioned by gw, maybe it will matter if they come out with a rules set that's actually usable for competitive play.
>>46082588
"Christmas sales were "below expectations" and it now expected full-year profits to be slightly lower than the year before. The company said pre-tax profit for the year to the end of May 2016 was unlikely to exceed £16m. This compares to a pre-tax profit of £16.6m in the year to May 2015."
Profits have not gone up with age. Reminder age came out after May 2015.
AoS sunk such a giant hole in GW that not even a new space marine codex + imperial knights + admech + plastic 30k could get them a sales/revenue growth.
Truly a massive success.
>>46082744
>>46082588
Kek, nice shilling.
Fucking Star Trek Attack wing and Warmachine sell more than Age, according to US sales data.
>>46082785
Yea despite coming out with a fucking fire storm of 40k products, And whoring out their ip like it was a used cum dump you'd think if fantasy was a such an unprofitable gangrenous limb and age just saw consistent sales with the old stuff sales would go way up over all.
>>46082787
>Warmachine
I'd fucking hope so they're supposed to be the #2 wargame until X-Wing came out of nowhere.
>>46082785
>>46082854
This is why I don't understand why the fuck they haven't axed it yet. Who cares if it's your favorite if you have to strangle and wring your golden goose dry just to stop the hemorrhaging from you playing favorites.
Just think about all the costs that it took to make End Times and AoS. All that time in R&D and sculpting work and the plastic mold and hardware and startup costs and logistics of creating, storing, licensing, and selling a new franchise.
>>46080445
>the bigger point: POINTS FOR AoS!
Yay. Now instead of a no-points clusterfuck with horrible models and shitty lore, I can do the same thing using a poorly-balanced points system.
>>46080573
They'll survive on brand power. There are no major competitors and the autistic 13yr old demographic shows no sign of disappearing.
>>46082878
Did people stick with warmachine? I remember my playgroup bought into the hype but abandoned it pretty quickly.
>>46083041
I like it. Popular in my area too. PP even has video of tournaments on their youtube channel.
>>46083041
It's INCREDIBLY gamey if that makes sense. Some people like that, some people hate it.
>>46083366
Yeah that's what I thought. I think the rules have potential but the models are just pretty terrible. Remind's me of WoW which I hated but begrudgingly played.
How does Infinity fit into the two styles?
>>46080393
Bringing tournies and points into AoS will just kill it like it killed Fantasy. All the neckbeards will show up with their WAAC bullshit, and it'll drive all the new players away from the game.
The only way to play wargames is to just show up with whatever you want to play with and move some pieces around for fun.
>>46083487
The game part of infinity doesn't feel as overbearing imo. It's far more "cinematic", in that it feels less like throwing dive and moving game pieces and more like shooting people in the face.
Certainly one of the best balances between good competitive rules and good immersion I've seen. If the models and ghost in the shell animu aesthetic appeals to you, you'll really like it, if that aesthetic doesn't appeal to you, you'll still probably enjoy the game for it's fairly top notch rules as long as you have friends playing it with you, but you won't be able to "get into it" as much.
>>46083557
Hola Bad player anon, do I need to break out the nature documentary posting again.
>>46083557
That's just like saying that chess shouldn't have tournaments because new players will be beaten by old players and therefore might become upset enough to stop playing entirely.
Considering that most tournaments cost money to enter, why would somebody who likes to 'move some pieces around' and 'show up with whatever you want to play with' do that when they can just play casual games with their friends and spend that money on more models?
If WAAC upsets you then I suggest finding a new hobby, one which isn't a competition, like sewing for example.
>>46083557
Tournaments didn't kill fantasy. Fucked up rules and not doing anything interesting with the setting did. Tournaments and points didn't kill 40k.
>>46084106
>>46084148
This is a well known anon. He oft shit posts in any thread about fantasy and ardently defends Aos due to his total inability to beat players on a level playing field.
He's best ignored or taunted, not argued with.
>>46084219
>Bringing tournies and points into AoS will just kill it like it killed Fantasy
>will just kill it
>kill it
Shit it was so obvious but I just had to take the bait.
>>46084219
Yeah Im 99% sure its the megafaggot thats single-handedly responsible for Faeit 212 blogs comments section bring a ghost town now. Yogshagoth is his name there. Obtuse as fuck, and a shill of the highest order.
>>46084219
>>46084367
You guys sound paranoid as fuck.
>>46084430
It's not crying shill because someone supports AoS, there are plenty of legitimate people who do, but this dude always speaks in the same manner and always carries a conversation like a brick wall, he's easily identifiable.
I'm real fucking tired of people defining "fun" as "the opposite of the thing I hate." Like, fartposter dislikes points and players thinking about their choices. Ok. But fun is a subjective experience and people can have fun with different things. It's not hard to imagine someone thinking about what their next move should be and having fun doing it. But no, the spectrum has fun at one end and warmachine at the other. You can't have aos at one end and warmachine at the other and let people pick what they like.
>>46082787
>Fucking Star Trek Attack wing and Warmachine sell more than Age, according to US sales data.
Star Trek Attack Wing supposedly has a big lurker following of some sort. People that just collect the miniatures or play it at home with their normal boardgame friends or something. I don't know.
>>46082878
>X-Wing came out of nowhere
X-wing didn't exactly come out of nowhere.
A large part of it's growing popularity can be attributed directly to the community and FFG lavishing support on organized play.
>>46084669
Yea "good rules" + "de facto uncontested niche" + "literally most valuable IP of all time" is sort of the recipe for success isn't it
>>46084075
>>46084106
>>46084148
>>46084219
>>46084367
Joke's on you guys, I was just pretending to be retarded. I hate AoS as much as anyone.
>>46084669
>X-wing didn't exactly come out of nowhere.
>A large part of it's growing popularity can be attributed directly to the community and FFG lavishing support on organized play.
Exploding to #2 wargame spot and #1 best third party selling wargame in less than 2 years is out of nowhere.
It took Warmachine more than three times that long to hit #2.
>>46084669
Well here's some anecdotal evidence.
I bought a bunch of it in order to play with my board game Star Trek friends. I spent a lot even though we haven't really played that much. (Just have lots to play)
In my city there's a very active community that has events and tournaments and meetups all the time. Like I get notifications from the Facebook group at least weekly of stuff going on.
Parallel to this there is an even bigger X wing scene with events at multiple stores all the time.
>>46085596
>Parallel to this there is an even bigger X wing scene with events at multiple stores all the time.
That's kind've the story everywhere nowadays.
If it gets much bigger it may threaten to push FNM off the end of the bar.
I've seen a couple of Attack Wing tournaments. I've never seen one with more than 8 players though.
Kind've a shame.
>>46085747
Attack Wing isn't as popular as X-Wing because by all reports it's a greatly inferior game. Worse minis, bad balance made even worse by overpowered limited promo cards and trying to adapt Star Trek ships to ww2 dogfighting just doesn't make much sense thematically.
>>46085828
It's deeply unfortunate that Star Trek didn't get the FFG Armada treatment.
That shit could've been aaaawesome.Probably still wouldn't have a big player base. Star Trek scares normies.
>>46085874
Star trek is normie sci fi dude. Dune is scare normies tier.
>>46084848
It's fucking Star Wars.
The average geek is a goddamn strung-out junkie, desperate for their next high.
Of fucking course it exploded into great success.
>>46086054
>It's fucking Star Wars.
And also it's nice game with good and simple rules.
>>46086125
and super jewy content delivery systems ala GW, but at a low enough price point that people tolerate it.
>>46086268
also the product is much higher quality than all but the best GW products.
>>46080393
ABOUT TIME
>>46086507
I wish X-Wing figures were less rubbery and were unpainted. Some crisp resin Star Wars stuff would be awesome.
Dropfleet has cool models.
>>46086600
>I wish X-Wing figures were less rubbery and were unpainted.
The stock paint on X-wing minis is incredibly thin stuff. If you're careful you can prime and repaint with no loss of detail whatsoever.
>>46084075
that is a nice army. Dick is diamonds
Is this one of those threads that sounds like an echo chamber where GW are Apparently on the brink of crashing. Any decade now right?
>>46089611
No one is every saying "they are about to crash and burn"
People are saying "they are losing market share and profits"
>>46086054
There are other Star Wars games that haven't done anything like as well. X-Wing's success is down to a combination of a strong IP, a good ruleset, and a low-cost entry point. GW should take notice, because arguably they have one of those three, but they're failing on the other two.
>>46089740
They had two of those valuable IPs actually. No longer.
And it's four things. A good product, a good ip, a low barrier to entry and quality rules.
Literally the only asset of those GW has is 40k now, with their recent wulfen release calling into question what level of quality their product is.
>>46090042
>with their recent wulfen release calling into question what level of quality their product is.
Deathwatch just made everyone forgive GW for the Wulfen.
The only GW game played in my area anymore is Bloodbowl. Everyone has transitioned to X-Wing or Dystopian Wars. Several shops have stopped even stocking 40k stuff which used to take up several shelves.
The funny part about FFG passing GW up in sales is GW licenses a lot to them.
>>46084848
>and #1 best third party selling wargame
What.
It outsells 40K?
>>46094054
Star Wars, probably.
>>46090288
People transferring into DW? Where? I'd kill for a game that isn't vs. those damned Russians.
>>46081642
I personally would say its the BIGGEST and rectifying it will go a long way.
>>46082905
Because they can't? It takes a while until GW can respond.
>>46080433
>Too little. Too late
This.
>>46094587
Too bad they aren't
>>46080617
>I'm just hoping the first few tournaments might make them realize how much of an unbalanced mess they've made and that they'll start cleaning it up.
If anything is to come from all this I hope it's a balanced ruleset. If they can't deliver on that then GW may just pack up and go home, and leave the tournament scene alone.
>>46080811
>>BOLS
It's always shit, why expect anything else?
>>46080393
GW should have stick to making box-set games as they did in the past, people who play TT games required so many things to do, here is the list.
>Be rich
>Be social(with fat neckbearded tg-lords)
>Be masterclass painter
>Be rich
>Be able to read 10000 rulebooks
>Be unemployed(see above)
>Be rich
>Have huge amounts of free time(just for the gaming alone)
>>46096906
They could have ended with End Times. We went from WHFB to End times to AoS and now we're continuing with more AoS.
>>46094054
X-Wing recently outsold 40k in the past quarter, but this only counts third party stores, not direct purchases from GW, GW stores, or FFG.
X-Wing was usually 2nd or 3rd behind 40k and Warma for a long time. Guess people are sick of 40k bullshit.
I bet if you combined GW direct sales, third party sales, AND FW HH SALES, "40k" would still be on top.
