Shattered legions edition
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>>46034941
>*NEW* HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
Yassss
>Legiones Astartes: Dark Angels
YUSSSSSSSSSS
>No stats for the Lion
WUT
WHAT U DOIN
>>46035066
We've literally known that fact for months. Book 6 having the rules for WS/BA/DA has always been a stop-gap measure to give players a start to their legions until proper books for them can be released.
>>46035066
Where have you been? Literally the oldest news, this was confirmed as fact almost as soon as the book itself was announced.
>>46035539
truth
Death haunts the darkness!
You will die here alone!
>>46034941
What are mess halls on marine ships called? Something in (faux)Latin?
>>46035066
Russ will get rules and a mini before Lion.
>>46036807
'We strike from the darkness
But we are not of the night
Though born in darkness
We seek only the light.' - Corvus Corax.
>>46036978
We've seen the WIP of his mini.
>>46036968
I imagine it'll be a Refectory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refectory
>>46034941
Hey guys Google isn't turning up much so I was hoping somebody here could lend me a hand.
Last thread I asked about legions with beautiful, artsy armour that weren't Blood Angels.
Two anons mentioned the "Terran Raven Guard."
Who are these guys and where can I find pictures of them? They sound cool honestly.
Thanks folks.
>>46037116
Carcharodons
>>46036968
>>46037078
'Cafeterium' gets my vote
>>46037078
Oh, thank you, Anon. Would the style matter on who the legion in question is?
>>46037116
Pale Nomads. Tyberos is a member of who they become in the modern 40k.
>>46037160
I would want to believe this but I want use refectory.
Greetings /TG/
I've recently been looking into buying the 40k novels and had some questions for anyone that's familiar with the series from a book standpoint - is there an order to start reading the books in?
I checked the lex-wiki and couldn't find anything about the best order chronologically or fan-based that is the "the correct" way to read the novels, so I wanted to ask all of you if there's a best order to read them in.
Any and all advice and recommendations are welcome. Thank you for any replies.
>>46037243
Here's what you need to do. Don't read the BL novels, get a copy of Paradise Lost but imagine Satan as bald dude in termie armor with a wolf pelt thrown on my.
>>46037175
>Oh, thank you, Anon. Would the style matter on who the legion in question is?
Not a clue if I'm honest, it's just a term I knew (and checked with a quick google to see if I was in the right corner).
But Refectory does have kind of religious undertone in English, so perhaps more likely for more zealous legions than the more down-to-earth ones, but to be honest, it's just a word for a communal eating area.
>>46037243
Are you referring to the Horus Hersey series or just Black Library books in general?
>>46037309
>so perhaps more likely for more zealous legions
Bangles, Fists, Word Bears, and Dangles?
>>46037116
>>46037153
Terran RG were informally known as the 'Dust Clad.' They were also a bunch of cold-hearted mofos who had no problem exterminating civilian populations to get at a nested enemy site.
After their reunion with their primarch a bunch of them died because Horus chucked them into a killzone over Corax's protests, and when the rest of them didn't cotton on to such ideas as 'stop indiscriminately killing tons of people to get at a target' Corax sent them off to go blow up space.
>>46037378
I imagine so, though given GWs proclivity for using latin at every opportunity they probably all use it.
>>46037441
I figured so. Thanks for the help anyway.
I'm having a hard time finding black roman numeral transfers for my bangles. I can freehand on my dreads and termies, but shoulders are so hard.
TG rate my White Scars list
Chogoris Brotherhood 1995pts
Praetor
Jetbike, Power Glaive, Iron Halo, Cyber Hawk, Melta bombs
8x Jetbike Squad
2x Plasma Cannons
Sergant w/ Power Glaive & Melta Bombs
3x Outrider Squad
Twin-linked Plasma Guns
Melta Bombs
10x Veterans
2xPower Swords
2x Heavy Flamers
Sergeant w/ Power Glaive & Artificer Armour
Melta Bombs on all
10x Veterans
2xPower Swords
2x Heavy Flamers
Sergeant w/ Power Glaive & Artificer Armour
Melta Bombs on all
1x Tarantula
Hyperios Launcher
Anvillus Drop Pod
Anvillus Drop Pod
Sicaran Venator
Dozer Blade
Sicaran Venator
Dozer Blade
The plan is to rely on the venators to knock out any spartans and then kite any death stars as well as possible. The Veterans are expensive, 400pts including the pods, but should mulch most units pretty well. Anvillus pods provide decent anti-horde if it's necessary. Tarantula is a funny one but is one of the few AA options with interceptor, so if my opponent is running a lightning I can force it to jink from the first turn it comes in. Outriders outflank and either rear armour vehicles or gun down robots or something.
Veterans are for sure the biggest point sink, and will be fragile as fuck, but they also provide a lot of the meat of the list and can deal with almost anything.
>>46037569
Have you found any white roman numeral transfers? Could use some for my EC.
>>46037570
can't you drop something for apothecaries if you are so concerned about Veterans being fragile?
>>46037569
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Astra-Militarum-Bravo-Vehicle-Transfer-Sheet-Black
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Death-Guard-Transfer-Sheet
Both have a fair number of roman numerals on them, though I imagine the Astra Militarum one is the most flexible.
I have a DG one myself (though I play AL), mainly because certain symbols are present in abundance on that sheet that are entirely absent on the AL sheet.
>>46037675
The DG one also has a fair number of white ones. One of the alround good ones in my opinion.
>>46037175
>Dark Angels
castle or monastery hall
>Emperors Children
The Louvre
>Iron Warriors
everything is bare metal
>White Scars
literally a tent, animal skin rugs, open fires and stuff
>Space Wolves
viking mead hall
>Imperial Fists
similar to Iron Warriors except everything is stone, also lots of lego sets lying around to practise building walls with
>Night Lords
meat hooks hanging from the ceiling
>Blood Angels
The Louvre 2: Electric Boogaloo (every picture is of Sanguinius)
>Iron Hands
cog shaped tables, cog shaped chairs, cog shaped plates, utensils are just cogs
>World Eaters
every other table is a pit sunken into the ground
>Ultramarines
literally just a standard mess hall with framed quotes from Guilliman on the walls
>Death Guard
rusty because letting armour fall into disrepair is cool right guys?
>Thousand Sons
pyramid
>Sons of Horus
similar to Ultramarines but instead of obnoxious quotes lining the walls it's obnoxious displays of victory
>Word Bearers
golden church to the Emperor (pre-Monarchia)
black church to chaos (post-Monarchia)
>Salamanders
all basalt and obsidian, lots of fire everywhere, food is cooked over actual lava
>Raven Guard
low lighting, pictures of Spartacus on the walls, more exits then strictly necessary
>Alpha Legion
mess location, theme and allegiance change every day, to find it's location you ask your sergeant who also changes every day
>>46037738
I've never felt like I get much use of out apothecaries, and I'd have to drop one of the flamers.
The Veterans are fragile. they hopefully won't have to weather too much shooting but they're just gonna get worn down more through combat than for instance terminators would.
>>46037441
>>46037078
It's this. Source: Scars, theres a scene in the book where two khans go to drink and discuss the warrior lodges within their legion.
>>46037771
>literally a tent, animal skin rugs, open fires and stuff
>Son, why are there open fires on a ship?
>Dad, it's fine. You don't see me complaining about your halo.
>similar to Iron Warriors except everything is stone, also lots of lego sets lying around to practise building walls with
Made me laugh.
What do you guys think about Skitarii in 30k? OK or not ok?
>>46037771
> to find it's location you ask your sergeant who also changes every day
I kek'ed
>>46038204
I imagine they'll be getting added eventually (or their equivalent at least).
There were some images of conversion kits for Skitarii kits to be used in 30k from the weekender.
>>46038361
Will i need those or would people let me play with the plastic skitarii? Forgeworld kits are so friggin expensive....
>>46038465
The difference won't be too drastic I imagine, so you can probably get away with the plastic models. Not sure what they're going to do with the weapon options though, but if you keep some of the current ones, you're all set for keeping it plastic.
>>46037771
>also lots of lego sets lying around to practise building walls with.
This is also the room where the pain gloves are kept.
Mandatory blindfolds at the door.
What do each of the legiones feel about the mechanicus and how pseudo religious they are.
>>46039008
check the allies chart,it will give you a reasonable idea
>>46038674
I'm sure those are kept in the gym.
>>46039374
>the room where the pain gloves are kept.
That's what I said.
>46037356
Apologies, I had to take care of some IRL business so I was delayed with a reply.
I've been looking at purchasing the horus heresy series, and the imperial guard novels to start reading the 40k books, but I wasn't sure if there was a better chronological order to read them in than that.
Often times novel and book series have a different chronological order to read them in rather than the listed release dates. I wasn't sure if 40k was different in this regard.
I haven't looked at the Black library novels as of yet, but if those are relevant to read then I will add them to my purchase list.
>>46037771
So the Alpha Legion is the ADD legion?
Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but I don't have my rulebook handy and I'm on my phone.
But does an infantry unit with infiltrate confer that to their dedicated transport?
>>46040611
Yes.
>>46036996
"I am the bat."
-Konrad Curze
Is the tainted dreadnought worth getting? Its rules just seem like a shitty budget knight that moves 6" :[
>>46041374
"When Terra is ashes, you have my permission to die."
-Mortarion
>>46041476
"Caw"
-Corax
>>46041409
Too expensive to justify and has some serious downsides. Good for fluffy lists though.
>>46041513
"RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
-Angron
>>46041595
"Gotta go fast"
-Jaghatai
>>46041976
>mfw this meme won't die
Please stop.
>>46034941
What's the most popular space marine legion?
As in which one is played on TT the most?
My money is on EC. Do we have numbers?
>>46042259
Everybody and their twin brother seems to be making Alpha Legion armies.
>>46042259
Iron Hands, Alpha Legion and Night Lords seem to be most popular.
>>46042318
>Everybody and their twin brother
>>46042259
http://strawpoll.me/7093914
Let's get a roll call.
>>46042347
I am noticing lots of EC armies, maybe it is a handful of frequent posters, but being one of the first legions to be fully complete and having great models would certainly support the idea that EC are the most popular.
>>46042479
Looks surprisingly even so far.
>>46042479
Salamanders doing well weirdly enough.
Fists are taking the lead.
>>46042778
Huh. Wasn't expecting that.
>>46042810
30k Fists are baller.
>>46042841
Yeah they are. And this is coming from someone who hates 40k fists.
>>46042778
It must be all those daily reminders.
>>46042479
Thousand sons are fucking skyrocketing.
>>46042854
I theorize it was Dorn keeping them baller. His presence is what made them baller.
>>46042864
No.
>>46042879
I theorise it's because the sheer awesomeness of the Black Templars hasn't left them yet.
>>46042876
thousand son here
voted also for blood angels because they are cute
>>46042909
It was Dorn and Siggi.
>>46042912
Bangle here. I voted for Dangles, Fists, IWs, Sallies, Hands, and NLs. The Death Guard are now sky rocking.
>>46042479
>Corax sheds a tear and swears to get better.
>>46042983
His smile and optimism are gone. Are there no Raven Guard fans here? What happened to RG Bro?
>>46043013
>playing badNightLords
>>46042479
Ok not gonna lie. The top favourites are pretty much what I expected.
>>46043030
They gave us Tyberos, proud owner of the best set of claws the galaxy has even seen to rip and tear.
>>46043097
Space Sharks were confirmed to be loyalist Night Lords years ago anon.
>>46043118
Filename related. Please don't start this.
>>46043118
Come on man, that's babbies first bait.
>>46042479
Aaaand Sons of Horus take the lead!!!
>>46043118
space sharks are stupid af anyway 2bh
>>46042953
Wow you run seven armies? Or are you just retarded?
>>46042479
Come on EC, glorious comeback from the fabulous perfectionists!
>>46042479
>no one else likes Space Wolves
>>46042479
>1. Imperial Fists
Fucking dropped.
>>46042479
Imperial Fists fuck yeeeaaah!
>>46042479
SHIT SPACEWOLVES GET IT TOGETHER
After ceaseless toil for 30,000 years the Knight Errant Generator has been perfected. All of the kinks have been removed. If you feel like rerolling your Knight on the psyker tables because you got Enslaver and Daemonbait with a psychic mastery of 4 and is a consul that no one within the legion knew about please do, or feel like creating a new Knight please go right ahead. So many psychic marines have been created that I think I have created a glitch in the universe that rustled Mortarion's jimies. I'll expect his death threats in the mail now. Thank the God Emperor that this wasn't a civilian generator. Just imagine all of the psykers that were rolled but with civilians.
>>46043848
You can't corner the Dorner, Curzefag.
>>46044008
yiffs getting btfo 2bh
>>46044082
Senpai can corner the Dorner. And did. Canonically.
>>46044141
Hey Konrad was using combo breakers which gave Rowboat and the Lion problems. It seems to me that combo breakers aren't allowed in Primarch fights but Curze doesn't play by the rules now does he?
>>46044141
Because he sneak attacked him. And then got ganked by some bitch assassin. And "hurr he totally let it happen" isn't an excuse. He was killed, on his crapper, in his own damn house, by some bitch, like a bitch. Easily the worst primarch. Worse than Lorgar, worse than Magnus, worse than Leman Russ, worse than the Lion. Canonically.
>>46044259
Show me on the doll where the NL player touched you.
>>46044282
Alpha Legion
>>46044282
What about Chicken dinners?
>>46044282
DAngles
>>46044082
I rerolled on my own Knight Errant.
>d20: 8: No.
Now he's just a normal Ultramarine with a shield who shield bashes you and shoots you in the face despite having an axe. Now for the updated armor table.
>4
His spare armor is a bunch of junk. Now I'm just trying to figure something out here. This guy is a Veteran, and an Invictarus Suzerain but also a literally who. Did Guilliman just give me the rank and forget about this guy?
>>46042479
>http://strawpoll.me/7093914
>implying alpha legion doesn't just check all
>>46044282
As your senpai I advise you to do the same thing I did.
Porque no los dos?
>>46045838
The Fists win. The Sons of Dorn are the most popular legions of /tg/.
>>46042479
How the hell does 1ksons even have a fanbase when you can't even take a Librarian as a primary HQ?
>>46039008
Wilful blindness since they totally rely on them
Add that mech act like sys admins and engineers ie keep to themselves and don't interact socially
And finally treaty of Mars
>>46039730
The heresy books do need some structure but also there's the issue that some stories are only audios atm
Guard novels are in any order t.b.h except for the gaunts ghost novels and last chancers
The eisenhorn books are great for showing how sector politics and average imperial worlds work - ie short term profit for long term ecological damage
R8 my list m8s
IF 1750pts
Alexis Polux[Pride of the Legion]
Vigilator[Melta Bombs, Heavy Chainsword]
Master of Signal
3x Veteran Squads[One squad has two Heavy Bolters, the rest are naked]
+Rhinos
2xSeeker Squads [8 each, 4 combi-plasmas] Polux deep strikes with one, the other outflanks with the vigilator or grabs a rhino and scouts.
2x Heavy Support squads [5 each, one with missiles and the other with lascannons]
>>46044082
>Ultramarines
>Command Staff
>67% sane
>Hated
>Close Combat
>Mk IV
>Needs Improvement
>Recon Marine
>Not a Psyker
So what we have here is a retarded Recon Marine who likes to charge into close combat on his own. His legion hates him for being a dumbass but fuck he gets the job done somehow. They make him commander of the Recon Marines and dump him into the Knights Errant as soon as they can so he will stop getting scouts killed.
Also armour section should have recon armour.
>>46047353
Five lascannons in a single unit of 5 marines seems a little squishy to be your only real anti-tank weapons. Missiles will really struggle to bring down any AV 14 when the lascannons die (and they will die if your opponent has AV 14 because the lascannons are squishy and the only real threat). While you could assault AV 14 vehicles I never rely on assaulting vehicles myself especially if I only have a power fist and one dude with meltabombs.
>>46047084
>ie short term profit for long term ecological damage
You shut your mouth, nigger, we needed to release millions of white doves into the air around a hive city on a perfectly clear day. Who gives fuck about the piles of dead bird meat just outside the city limits or the weather fuckery violently destabilizing the planet's climate? We was celebrating.
>>46047433
to be fair it's only 1750 so it's unlikely he'll be seeing too much AV14. I would still find room for melta bombs and maybe switch a unit of Seekers to combi-meltas, Armored Ceramite is expensive at 1750.
>>46044082
Raven G
Vet
54% sane
Known throughout most the legion
All rounder
Mark 4 armor
90% team player
Consul Moritat
No psyker
Bretty cool. I feel like building this marine.
>>46044082
Fat the I can't find a table VIII is frustrating the hell out of me.
Is it fucking true that Justaerins are finally usable?Too bad my Justaerins are all victims of FW's horrible QA failure
>>46048528
Mostly.
Unless you're me and want to stick them with an HQ in a Land Raider, because the minimum squad size is now 5.
Land Raider with transport capacity 12 when?
>>46048522
table 8 is the specialist list to the immediate right, the image is just badly organized
>>46048610
>Land Raider with transport capacity 12 when?
Ward gave this to us in 5E but you faggots were too busy crying about him and it's now nerfed back down to 10.
Congratulations.
>>46042479
So this is why every thread is fist fisting through and through.
>>46048743
ain't no love like fisty love
Y'all motherfuckers review my Word Bearers list:
>>Word Bearers Age of Darkness Force Org.
>HQ
(450) Lorgar Transfigured-Warlord
Rite of War: Primarch’s Chosen
(135) Chaplain: Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Burning Lore
>Troops
(265) 10 Veterans: Melta Bombs
Dedicated Transport: Rhino: Combi-Bolter
(265) 10 Veterans: Melta Bombs
Dedicated Transport: Rhino: Combi-Bolter
>Fast Attack
(290) 10 Seekers
Dedicated Transport: Rhino: Combi-Bolter
>Elites
(230) Gal Vorbak: 4 Dark Brethren
Dark Martyr: Power Fist, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
>Heavy Support
(365) Spartan Assault Tank: Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Armored Ceramite, Pintle Havoc Launcher
So I'm strongly considering starting a second legion. I like the Night Lords, but I'm also a fan of both Word Bearers and Emperor's Children. I currently run Alpha Legion and want a different play style. which of these legions would be ideal for a more melee and assault oriented force?
>>46048966
Word Bearers is the strongest melee legion. Take some tac squads, daemon allies and deepstriking Gal Vorbak and you've a fairly strong melee alpha strike.
>>46048966
>I currently run Alpha Legion
>>46048978
>alpha strike
obligatory hue
>>46048978
They're the strongest melee army? I thought that'd go to the Raven Guard or World Eaters.
>>46049030
Raven Guard can't take attacks back and WE is only strong in fluff and shit on table.
I don't know if WB are the best melee army but I wouldn't doubt it if you factor in psychic powers and other buffs.
Salamanders, IH, and DG seem like they should be good at assault too. Maybe IF as well.
>>46049044
What of the EC and the NL?
>>46049165
You should probably start reading some rules instead of going by fluff if you're seriously asking about those two legions. But asking about WE already revealed all your cards.
>>46049193
>All of my cards
I've not played a lot of games. I've read the rules, but I had reasoned that free chainaxes would make them decently strong if they're given assault transports. New EC are pretty good, I know that. I'm legitimately surprised about the Word Bearers, as Ashen Circle are a unit that seems pretty mediocre. Night Lords I actually do need to read a little more about.
What's the most flexible army that isn't Ultramarines, Alpha Legion, and Sons of Horus?
I initially thought I was going to play White Scars, but White Scars are so one dimensional just spamming BIKES BIKES BIKES.
>>46049327
IF, just spam bolters!.
>>46049327
30k Scars aren't specifically bike-based. They want you to keep moving but their infantry, and especially mech sections, are baller. And power glaives are one of the best melee weapons in the game.
Fists work well with the fundamentals, really great vanilla kit. Ravens are also all-round excellent with wonky deployment options.
Sorry guys, I don't have a rulebook on my hand at this moment. What was the Crusader rule again?
>>46049937
Thanks!
Where do you check changes to the previous legions, like aforemented Justaerin buff and so on? Book 6? Or that new Legion red book?
Help me /tg/, I got a boner for world eaters and i'm thinking of starting a small collection/army. Is the World Eaters Legion support cadre a good deal?
I just want to RIP AND TEAR
>>46049976
It's the new legion red book that hasn't been released yet except in small amounts at a HH weekender.
It's up for pre order on FW now. But what you have seen thus far have been leaks.
>>46050019
Hmm.... Ok, is there a webpage I can check those leaks?
Going to Run Loyalist Night Lords based on a heavy terran recruited vet force with a terran Praetor sick of Curzes shit and shunned by the other loyalists. Clean fresh looking armor and its time to purge the guilty.
>>46050063
Well they were all here at some point, so the archive/4plebs would work, but it might take a while
>>46034941
Are Salamanders a fun legion to play?
For getting fire on everything they do sure seem to have a lot of restrictions.
>>46050101
damn son, they look sharp
>>46041926
-Leman Russ
Wonder if they'll ever make a kit out of Sammael's bike.
>>46049193
So you're saying that
>>46049044
>Sallies
>-1" to charge and only roll d6 for sweeping
>IH
>Pass LD in order to sweep, also lose their biggest bonus in assault.
>DG
>-1 to sweeping advance.
Are better in assault than
>>46049165
>EC
>+ d3 to combat res, +1 Initiative on the charge
>>46049030
>WE
>Re-roll all ones in the first turn of assault, rage, free CCW and apothecaries can give everyone +1 attack.
>>46050464
>free CCW
That's not how chainaxes work you dingus.
>>46050472
Oh for fucks sake.
reminder
>>46042479
>the 2 legions that currently don't have rules
>Space Wolves are dead last
>Thousand Sons are in top 3
Fucking how? Fucking why?
>>46050490
So Lacryaemarta techpriests are a 12" bubble of +1 FNP despite the book saying 6"?
Good to know.
>>46050508
popularity contests always go goofy no matter how much you try to outline the rules
>>46042605
That's because even in GRYM DARK people like a light shining in the darkness.
>>46050464
Or, indeed, BA with their +1 to wound in CC, and the potential for +1I on the charge with their RoW. The two of those have the potential to shift combat resolution in their favour pretty heavily.
You can bet as well that they'll get some tasty assault units when they release the rules for them, but that's going to be a long time coming.
>>46048871
how many points total?
Taking Veterans just for melta bombs seams dumb.
As funny as that Spartan is I'm just going to drive a squadron of Vindicators to either side and fuck you.
>>46050151
Yes
Move Through Cover on all (UNITS) is FANTASTIC.
Just don't lost combat, but if you do you have to pick one dice (THAT DAMNED 6) and re-roll it.
Our Preator's are GOD LIKE because we just pay 20 points for EW.
Firedrakes are a hilarious bullet sponge.
Also getting a 5++ vs Melta, Plasma, Volkite and flamer's for our vehicles is amazing it even works vs Melta BOMBS
>>46050870
Can't check my book right now, but I thought the vehicle Invuln was only against melta weapons/bombs.
>>46049193
EC are one of the best melee legions
>Fast
>Have a rite of war allowing you to choose exactly what turn units arrive from reserves and letting them outflank
>+1 initiative in challenges
>+1 initiative on charge for ICs
>Palatine blades are one of the most lethal and cost efficient melee units in the game
>Phoenix spears for sergeants
>Almost guaranteed sweeping advance
>>46048222
In my meta at least people tend to like AV 14 at low points since they are often anti-tank anyway and if the enemy doesn't bring enough anti-AV 14 than they can run around often freely.
Do people like their legions as a military force or as a band of individualistic knights? That is, do you like vast majority of your dudes to have identical stock equipment vs. every troopers being special?
>>46051275
Since i play EC, i like a mix of both.
They are proud of their legion, but also have very individualistic goals and mindsets.
>>46051275
For my DA...
The Terrans all look alike, same war gear, paint scheme
The Calibanite Legionnaires will get some cloaks, lion stuff, Knight swords for extra CCW.
>>46051492
Huh. I was thinking about making a Black Shield generator, but you beat me to it.
>>46051802
Yeah its not that inspired but I thought I'd have a crack.
>>46051827
Looks pretty good to me. Far neater than my KE generator.
>>46049030
Raven Guard are good at a specific aspect of CC. They are good at blitzing, strike/fade, and lightning strikes. The Dark Furies will mince a fair share of things on the charge and Corax can kill 10+ Marines on the charge, so he's good at culling.
World eaters are the best at chomping numbers.
EC are better against other marines.
NL are like RG but a tad less choppy and more shooty.
>>46052238
I enjoyed your generator, it was why I made this one.
>>46050870
Melta bombs are Armourbane, not Melta.
>>46052497
The rule explicitly states melta bombs as one of the things.
>>46052521
Indeed it does. My bad.
>>46052284
Am I the only one that thinks that an EC/WE army could be rad as hell? CC focus, EC deal with MEQs and TEQs while the world eaters slaughter any hordes that the opponent has. EC have the initiative to kill off the enemy without retribution plus access to one of the better legion unique melee weapons (IIRC white scars have an objectively better weapon but they don't get initiative bonuses like EC do). The only real issue would be killing dudes like Sigismund, are world eaters able to turn down challenges, I know EC can't?
>>46052409
Aw, thanks, Anon. I needed that.
>>46052683
You shoot Sigismund, don't get him in CC.
>>46048711
Take your high capacity assault tanks and go.
You don't need Godhammer Lascannons and 12 transport slots.
Really though, that's less of a problem in 40k because you have two Land Raiders with better weapons loadouts and transport capacity 12+
30k arguably needs one because your only option for transporting terminators and a character is a Spartan, and the game already has enough sweaty dudes in Spartans driving at each other.
Maybe the Tartaros pattern will deliver.
>>46053015
What about Kharybdis? Or a Storm Eagle?
>>46050508
Magnus did not have sexual relations with Leman Russ!
> Look, Ferrus, look at what I'm offering you.
> Your dreams.
>>46053137
I was deliberately leaving Flyers and Super Heavies out as a separate can of worms and focusing on land based transports.
>>46053186
I seem to recall that Magnus pulled out after Russ was pounding the shit out of him.
So I have a walker related question: If a dreadnought moves does it still suffer the vehicle penalty of only being able to fire one weapon at full ballistic skill or can it shoot them all normally?
>>46054689
Walkers can shoot all weapons at full BS unless they have an ordnance
>>46036968
Tough question. I'm not sure the Romans really had mess halls, so no need for Latin imo.
>>46055248
But do the Ultramarines have vomitoriums?
>>46055319
Sure, every theater needs exits.
>>46055078
Do you know where it says it in the rule book because for the life of me I can't find it, and my group has rules lawyer who insists my leviathan can't shoot more than one gun at full BS a turn if I move
>>46055543
Should be under the Walker rules.
>>46055543
Here you go, anon.
>>46052683
>The only real issue would be killing dudes like Sigismund
yeah angron will do that easy peasy :^)
>>46056081
Doesn't say you can fire at full BS
>>46056113
I thought the same thing when I saw >>46056081 because didn't it say back in 6th that since they were so agile they could fire all of their guns at full BS or was that just a Defiler thing?
>>46056113
It doesn't say that there's any penalties or count as snap fire. Shoot at full BS
>>46050490
>says exchange
>actual rule says "take instead"
gosh, I know customer service was bad but could they even TRY to read the rules?
>>46056409
The intent was not to reiterate the rules but clarify them, despite the dubious legitimacy of that clarification, parroting the rules as they appear would be useless.
>>46056409
Will the new red book clarify this once and for all?
>>46056488
Of course not.
>>46056140
This. You fire at full BS by default, if the rules don't say you get a penalty, you don't get a penalty.
>>46056409
>>46056477
>>46056488
>>46056537
If anything, the Wolves will also get the option of chainaxes.
>>46056565
I agree with you, but the debate is over the meaning of "access to chainswords" more than "for free."
We're saying that a model that can pay +2 points for a chainsword DOES have access, even before paying the two points. Others are saying you don't have access until you've paid for it. I disagree but I can see where they're coming from.
I don't quite understand the White Scars rule, especially the "in the Movement phase and/or Assault phase it gains the following" part. No intermediate commas, as if the bonuses were active only in the assault phase, your's and your enemy's (and in the movenent phases too, for some reason). Had they written "ends the Movement and/or the Assault phase at least 6" away from the point where it began the phase, it gains the following", without repeating "in the Movement phase and/or Assault phase" then there could not be any other alternate interpretation. But knowing FW, it could be a simple typo (it's understandable the guys who write "Satareal" could miss something so small yet so crucial as a comma). Does this means that, as long as they go fast they get better at range like the Fists (which also functions in overwatch), better at melee like WEs and get +1 to cover like NL (but better), all of it with no real drawbacks at all and access to AP2 at initiative at powersword cost? I just find it a little hard to believe, that's why I ask.
>>46056799
Ohh. I thought it was kinda obvious they do have access.
>>46056799
I'm in the camp of RAW free chainaxe, RAI chainsword priced axes, with the inconsistent writing being a fluke, more than a little bit influenced by the email desu.
Until we get a decent faq or re-write I expect this to remain a 'roll a 4+' argument.
Rolled 6 (1d6)
>>46056931
>Decimated
>>46053015
>He doesnt deploy out of a Fortification
What are you, an Iron Warrior or something?
>>46048610
>>46048711
>>46053015
Y'all motherfuckers need Triarii
>>46036968
In all the books I've read they're called the "mess hall."
>>46056931
Its not though, the idea that access means having to own the axe is invalidated by the "Take instead for free" wording. If you have to buy the sword, and then take an ax, you arent "taking instead for free" you are exchanging one for the other. the word "instead" removes all need to get the chainsword.
Your options are
Replace a bolter/pistol for a chainsword
Take a chainsword for 2 points
or INSTEAD take a chainaxe for free.
The RAI IS free axes, there is no where to suggest that it wouldnt be, either in the rule or in any similarly worded rule. Add to the fact that we are literally years with the rule being reprinted multiple times with absolutely no changes and its 100% clear that there is no conflict with free chainaxes. The Blood angel rules with hand flamers alone confirmed that this style of rule is a precident, of course people then keep trying to move the goal post or claim words dont have the same definitions they usually have.
People that try to push the "pay 2 points for a chainaxe" are either Waac players, attempting to make their opponent waste points by convincing them to play their legion rule is wrong, or people just looking to cause conflict.
This argument has been dead for years now and not a single step has been made to prove the RAW and RAI view of free chainaxes wrong. Its just people trying to kick the players of the current worst legion while they are down, and its petty as fuck.
Anyone asking me to "roll a 4+" are literally asking me to deny the basic english of a very clear rule and are clearly not worth playing.
>>46057194
>Look at the meaning of the words as written.
>Clearly only one meaning can be derived from them.
OK, as I said.
>so there could be no other intent.
Normally I side with RAW, but when FW emails contradict it I side with them as appealing to 'le higher authority' sits better with my group.
>>46057194
Deja vu from the Dreadmob shit in the 40k thread.
>The strength of my army has anything to do with rules interpritations.
OK.
I honestly can't see why people have to ruin there own perfictly good lodgic with playing at the moral high-ground, thereby ensuring that the anon they're talking at will never give ground.
TL;DR: just make you're point with out the sperg, and being right will be what makes you right.
>>46057194
It's a shame you're right, because I hate preachy shits.
>>46056096
>Bringing a primarch
>To kill a single marine
I mean I love Angron on the tabletop but that justification is retarded.
>>46057705
>:^)
You do know that this face means he's taking the piss right?
>>46057705
>Implying Siggy Starfist is a regular guy
>Implying Angron won't kill him AND everything else
>>46050101
The red looks a little flat imho
Other than that I really like them. The blue/green accent is a nice touch
>>46057808
>>46057808
That you're a piece of shit? No need, we know you cant think and resort to copy+pasting stale jokes.
>>46057861
>iw in charge of handling banter
>>46057861
> copy+pasting
Implying anon doesn't have a macro for this shit.
>>46057861
Complaining about repeated shitposting won't do a thing, but reporting it will.
>>46057808
Daily counter
>>46057911
Go pray some more, churchboy
>>46057808
>>46058210
>All that angst.
IW confirmed for emo kids.
>>46058266
decimating in my skin
>>46058291
til Olypia looks all grim
>>46053015
I always though that they should have made the Proteus Transport Capacity 12 - it's the dedicated transport option for far more units, and with the Augur Array it would be 10. It actually has no other merits over a cheaper non-resin phobos land raider, aside from looking retro (if that's a plus to you).
They'd sell more too, which often seems to be the justification for something being better (I have no doubt it's the reason that it's a dedicated transport option far more often than anything else, rhinos included).
I have a little headless question.
I haven't found anything on what happens to Iron hands (haha) after the loss of the gorgon.
can anyone enlighten me on what happened after his head got separated from his body?
thanks
>>46058558
>little headless question
You brought this upon you
>What happens to the Iron Hands
Read HH:6. Lots of red talons and stuff
>>46057856
whoever wins we lose
>>46058703
Whoever wins, A CHALLENGE WORTHY OF MY SKILLS
>>46056878
Asà FW
>>46058932
*Ask FW
Are the red books on FW website the most up to date ones?
I need them for a tournament :(
>>46059022
they are coming out with a new one ina few months
So I like the idea of Chymeriae Blackshields. Are melee-based Blackshields at all viable? Seems like Outlanders are way better mechanically, but I like the idea of unstable freaks bumrushing the enemy.
>>46059047
The age of darkness is released in 2 days,
crusade army i'm not sure if it was a new book or the old one still on sale?
>>46058510
I was thinking of that too. I'd prefer one with an assault ramp, but take what you can get and your points make perfect sense.
If the rules unfucked themselves and let you charge after disembarking from a transport that didn't move I'd be throwing myself straight into the 12 man Proteus with reckless abandon.
>>46059184
>If the rules unfucked themselves and let you charge after disembarking from a transport that didn't move
But thats how it works, dont move the rhino if you want to assault out of it. Assault vehicles means you can move 6'' and still assault out of it.
>>46059219
Not anymore, you can't disembark and charge in the same turn in 7th.
>>46059219
Nope. No disembarking charges without assault vehicle.
Word Bearers or Night Lords? Both seem like cool armies and both seem to be pretty decent. Are either of them decent armies?
>>46059094
>Blobs of marines potentially (if you go the S/T route) capable of absorbing even more fire than regular marines
>Perform much better in melee combat especially against other marines with WS 5 for everyone being huge on marines
>Can utterly rape marines in close combat
>Low initiative means that you don't lose much by taking axes and fists
>>46060024
30k is far more balanced than 40k, so even the bad armies aren't nearly as fucked as, say, Tyranids. I'd say Word Bearers and Night Lords are somewhere in the middle in terms of Legions. They get some pretty solid benefits, but are somewhat hampered by being melee-based in a shooty edition. Better than World Eaters, not as good as Iron Hands or Salamanders.
>>46060104
>Every single model in a Marauder squad can take a lascutter
>An entire troops squad full of S9 AP2 dudes with T5 and a 3+ save
>>46060317
with only one WS1, I1 attack each
>>46060317
And 1 attack each, at WS 1, Ini 1, and like 35 pts a piece.
>>46060158
I would argue that they "bad" at shooting simply because some legions do it better, and even then they can spam volkites in terror squads if you wanted to do a gun fighting centered army
>>46060024
Word bearers do well in as a man fighting army, and since most 30k armies (especially the legions) are either designed to excel at knife fight range firefights or at actual knife fighting this isn't that big of a hindrance. Really good buffing characters, access to daemon/cult allies, spooky space magic on almost any character, and arguably the best melee unit in the game, gal vor'bak.
Night lords also do well in a man fighting army, but really excel at murdering anyone weaker then them (i.e. that you out number). They got a massive buff in book 6, now if you outnumber the enemy its +1 to hit and to wound, and with the expect price cut on assault squads and with the new RoW you can build blazing fast armies of bulky models (which count as two bodies for the outnumbering rule).
And, as mentioned, if you wanted to do more shooting oriented you can spam terror squads (who have preferred enemy (infantry) btw).
>>46060158
Thanks for the information.
So has anyone had a chance to use the new Mastodon? I saw the rules in Book 6 and it looked pretty baller. Shame the model's not released yet.
>>46057808
>>46060317
Regular veterans with power weapons slaughter them
>>46057856
As an IW player, I love this.
>>46060679
They're by no means bad at shooting. But they're not really any better than any other Legion, and distinctly worse than the ones with benefits to shooting. Their benefits are strictly melee based.
Even the volkite Terror Squads mainly work because assault weapons allow them to shoot and charge.
Erebus for best Chaplain
>>46061159
>Chaplains
>Invented to ensure loyalty to the Emperor in the ranks.
He's the worst Chaplain ever.
He be stylin' though.
>>46058558
Imagine every bad thing you can think of. That plus like ten other horrible things happen. They end up shattered and broken, almost completely wiped out, and the survivors turn all teenage girl and start cutting off limbs because they failed daddy.
>>46061159
>>46061517
Except this guy
>>46061517
>Imagine every bad thing you can think of.
Learning that your pregnant wife has been brutalized by the doctor delivering the baby, your favorite author died before he could end a book series, and what else?
>and the survivors turn all teenage girl and start cutting off limbs because they failed daddy
They were already doing that.
>>46061643
He and Ferrus never shared much love between each other.
>>46061731
yeah but even more so.
Many of them believed that the reason they failed to save their father was because they weren't cyber enough, so they started lopping off legs and arms and replacing them with cybernetics
