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>Knowing how to play Chess and Poker are life skills that everyone should learn
Do you agree, /tg/?
No. That's dumb and potentially a waste of time and resources that could be spent elsewhere.
>>45732506
No, though it might be a better alternative to jerking off all day. I am skeptical about it doing anything other than mildly improving working memory. I mean, besides learning a useless skill. I am pretty sure 90%-99% of the US population doesn't know chess anyway, so it's not even a social thing.
Come at me:
http://en.lichess.org/eeCu3Xat
>>45732506
Yeah, probably.
I have a bit of a hypothesis. I notice that chess is seen as a mark of intelligence and appreciated by people at all levels of intelligence, but something like 40k is not. So this leads me to ask why (I'm not inclined to tout the intellectual merits of 40k, but it is complicated enough to be a smart person's game).
I think it comes down to the fact that chess has a low barrier to entry and everyone can at least play but few can master it, whereas 40k has a high barrier to entry and there are no grand masters.
>>45732506
Yes, absolutely. Chess will exercise your thought capabilities, and high stakes poker teaches you how to lie and cheat to win. People who play these games even once in a little while are objectively superior to those who do not.
>>45732803
>>45732849
Everyone learning how probability works isn't a waste of resources. Plus, it's not like my middle school science courses are doing much for me anymore.
>>45732945
>I'm better than you because I know how to play a board game and/or gamble
Okay.
>>45732506
No. Peasants have work to do. We can do the thinking for them.
>>45732914
Chess also has hundreds of years of history: from it's origins in India, to it's usage as a training tool for medieval commanders, to the changes made to rules that reflect the changes in warfare. Whereas 40k has only been around for 29 years and has almost no mainstream presence.
Well not with the chess part anyway. Knowing at least a few card games is a fairly useful life skill if only for if you get stuck with someone and don't have much to pass the time with
But pretty much any game can at least teach you something practical to a point (a point which pretty much anyone here has long passed really)
>>45732506
No, not really. I enjoy being able to play both, but I wouldn't consider it a terribly important skill. Knowledge of the games themselves are purely for amusement or social interaction.
The by-products of mastery of these games, such as learning probability, is not exclusive to these games, nor does it make the games themselves more worthwhile.
>>45732506
Yes, because one makes you feel smarter l, the other has the chance to make you some money. And both can help you make some pretty good friends.
>>45732945
>high stakes poker teaches you how to lie and cheat to win
High-stakes poker is a game of statistical analysis and psychological insight, lying has very little to do with it.
>>45733206
>lying has very little to do with it.
>What's a bluff?
>>45732945
>high stakes poker teaches you how to lie
Confirmed for having no idea what high-stakes poker is actually like.
>>45733261
A probability game.
>>45732914
>>45733010
I guess chess is more streamlined. You can argue that starcraft is more intense than chess intellectually - the thing with chess is that it's universally understood - don't really need to be a science fiction fan. Also, you make a decent point about barrier of entry. I have never played 40k, but I have jerked off to the emperor a few times - the time commitment seems like a pain and mostly going toward lore, rather than working on WM (working memory).
>>45732945
*tips fedora*
>>45732960
Poker has VERY complex probability when you get into it seriously. You can't follow it without spending months training yourself, and only if your IQ is high to begin with.
>>45733081
This happened to me with cards far more often than with chess.
>>45733116
The only people I know who play chess are from rich as fuck families and the only reason I met them is because of very unusual circumstances. No one I know irl can play chess, sans a few dnd nerds who want to feel smart and ask me to help them memorize children's mate so they can feel intelligent.
Come at me 2.0:
http://en.lichess.org/ZkJ70yoX
>>45732945
That's literally not how you play poker. It's just playing the odds in 90% of cases.
>>45733286
Oh, are you one of those Texas Hold-em casuals?
>>45733297
>*tips fedora*
What? What was fedora about that? It's more arrogant than anything else.
>>45733261
A meme move that will lose all of your money if you play with sharks.
>>45733380
It's the "I am very smart" attitude, which is absolutely euphoric.
>>45733401
Eeeh, if you say so.
Things that should be taught to all young children
>how to use a command line
>firearm safety
>that op is a faggot.
>>45733425
I am the guy you originally asked - I agree with anon though. It's a FALSE sense of superiority, hence fedora.
Anyway, last round if someone wants it:
http://en.lichess.org/HBLHlayE
>>45733443
I'd say that basic carpentry and a cooking class or two wouldn't hurt either.
>>45733443
Hello programmer /k/-tard.
>doing anything but accessing directories, loading dependencies, and running scripts from cmd
>shaggy diggy
Get a glock and pull the pin.
>>45733461
Yeah your right
>>45733453
I just don't think that really fits in with fedora type behavior is all. At least not the way I define it.
>>45733443
>>45733461
Medical comes first....and I am utterly incompetent at it. Ib4 /o/ shows up with muh Miata V8 build.
It's useful to learn the basic Chess rules as they come up often in media, but no more than that. Even learning basic openings is irrelevant to the enormous majority of people.
Poker is mischaracterised as a game of bluffing when it's a game of probability calculation - see Nate Silver's book, The Signal and the Noise, for more info (before being a probability blogger, he was super into online poker).
>>45733493
You are right.
>>45733081
>(a point which pretty much anyone here has long passed really)
Indeed
>>45733443
OK revised and clarified list based on the suggestions of the anons
>basic command line use (enough to open any folders or run any programs)
>firearms safety
>cooking
>basic carpentry and even more basic metalworking
>first aid
>that op really is always a gigantic fucking faggot
>>45733716
this is good
>>45733716
Command line is in about #500+ on the list of importance. I am not trolling.
>>45732914
It might be because 40k is a shit game
>>45733792
Maybe not as important as the rest of that list but it's up there.
>>45733716
Firearms safety is very variable depending on country. In Aus, for example it's very low on the list as so few people have guns and the ones about already require you to prove you understand gun safety to get.
>>45733813
It also has constantly shifting rules and new units, whereas chess has a rules that's basically unchanged since the 18th century.
Also it doesn't have a ton of other neckbeardy stuff surrounding it - there aren't novels about rooks in space battling monsters, for example.
>>45733716
I think learning to cultivate a healthy relationship and manage stress effectively would help quite a bit especially with the disproportionately high amount of teenage suicides these days, also the value of digits
>>45733902
Even adults have massive problems with that, just see /r9k/.
>>45733851
I made the list and I'm an ausfag.
Where I come from opening bottles, swimming and cycling are life skills everyone should learn.
>>45733926
>/r9k/
>adults
>>45734008
Oh swimming thats going on the list
I always forget that's not instinctual.
>>45733716
Basic self defense - nothing hardcore, just enough to teach people how to throw and take a punch.
>>45734182
it is instinctual. they've found that even newborns know to hold their breath.
captcha: salty liberty
>>45733297
You seem like a real cunt.
>>45733938
Oh so you're an idiot who thinks it's a worthwhile skill despite living in a country where it objectively is not.
>>45732945
But so will any game(s) based on competing strategies and evaluating/reevaluating a situation based on partial and hidden information.
Remember, chess was literally created to just be a wargame. Frankly, the meta's simply gotten out of hand over the many years it's existed.
>>45735429
Time for a story anon
>hello I'm a man who has never fired a firearm in my life I don't even understand the basic concept of a firing pin.
>hm that is excedinly odd there is a rifle sitting in the forest here I had better take this to the police
>oh no I have blown off my hand with my carelessness and now I'm going to die alone in the woods.
>>45732506
Certainly more useful in day-to-day life than half the stuff we were taught in school.
>>45732506
no.
I learned to draw and fight instead.
>Self-defense (enroll your kid in Muay Thai and BJJ/Judo)
>Basic knots
>Basic pathfinding/night sky navigation
>How to build a fire
>>45732506
Nope, I suspect cooking, cleaning and other basic life skills that kids aren't learning these days are more important,
>>45732506
Knowledge of Chess and cards is not valuable due to the games themselves, but rather allows a person to understand the many cultural references in literature, speech, and other media. By understanding the games, you can understand humanity just a bit more.
>>45733716
>>45736134
So what I'm getting from these is that 4chan really wants the kiddies to be in Boy Scouts.
>>45736229
Well to be fair, those skills can be important.
Cooking at the very least is universal and constant. Everybody's gotta eat.
>>45733518
Once you get into high card clumping and shuffling characteristics you start to realize it's more algorithmic memorization. Kinda like chess, but with more variables.
>>45736249
Not tryin' to bash on Scouts, hell, I was IN the BSA. It was (mostly) relevant, useful stuff - including how to deal with annoying people in positions of power.
>>45736279
By arranging an accident at the archery range?
>>45736279
No shit in Oz we just dropped a spider colony in his tent.
>>45736299
No, no, that would be too obvious. If someone slipped while walking past the lake, however... who's to say they weren't just clumsy? ;D
In all reality, though, my troop had some real shitters, and one particular pair of helicopter parents managed to turn their annoying son into something approximating a guided missile: just point him at the "problem", give him a shove, and watch everything go to shit. Figured out after a couple years that they would buddy up to scouts by gossiping about other kids in the troop with them, and then when someone else became the new target of their attention, the last kid got thrown under the bus. Manipulative assholes.
>>45732506
there is a very big difference between knowing how to play chess/pokeer, and being good at it, And there are few cases where the first is really important.
>>45733518
>Even learning basic openings is irrelevant to the enormous majority of people.
The only chess move that matters to me is the Sicilian Defence, because it's an Alan Parsons Project album.
>>45732945
>>45733206
>>45733297
>>45733306
>>45733306
Depends if you are talking about live or online poker, didn't you read about all the Galfond shit that just happened?
>>45735942
And besides you still have to teach it in more gun filled country's and I'm a big believer in standardised education
Not that there's auctualy a lack of guns in Australia we just have retarded laws about them.
>>45732506
Absolutely not. There are many, many other things that I think should be basic knowledge.
>>45732945
I play both poker and chess but I also jerk it to cripple porn and piss on the seat.
>>45732945
>and high stakes poker teaches you how to lie and cheat to win
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>45733443
>>firearm safety
Whats the point?
>>45737435
People not getting themselves killed.
Avoiding the development of hatred for firearms.
>>45732506
No.
>Knowing the concepts and principles behind chess and poker are valuable skills that men should learn.
Yes.
Keeping my /pol/ power level down, I simply don't think women need to learn chess or poker because they already learn to be sneaky and manipulative well enough just by virtue of growing up with other girls. Men need to learn this as a form of social self defense, or rather, attaining agency by will.
It doesn't matter if you can lift a damn tree or build an engine if some two-facedjewcan stroll along and manipulate you to their own ends while screwing you out of benefit in the process. You have to be able to read people (poker), you have to be able to plan a few steps ahead (chess).
>>45737516
You didn't succeed at keeping your /pol/ power level down. Please go back to your containment board.
>>45733851
>>45733716
>few people own firearms here and the government makes it hard to (legally) get one
>therefore I don't need to learn to use one
This is why you also have to give your children a little perspective and instruct them in philosophy so they don't end up as a clown.
>>45737537
>>45737516
You really didn't manage to keep your power level down. You said you were going to then took a sudden turn through Poland.
>>45737540
And what use is Firearm usage going to be for the vast majority of people who never own or use a gun?
>>45737574
what use is not owning a gun when someone is threatening you
open carry deters a lot of criminals
>>45737613
And this helps people who live in places with laws that ban civilians from so much as a pea-shooter how?
>>45737505
Yeah but here there is probably not a single working firearm in a 10 Km radius...
>>45737673
What the fuck kind of shithole do you live in that does not even have a gun store.
>>45737621
maybe this is a sign you need to tell them to stop treading on you
unless you like the state keeping you docile
>>45737728
A lot of Australia? According to a quick search the closest gun store to the place I grew up is 35km away and even then it's mostly a hunting store for non-gun stuff that sells a little ammo.
>>45737673
For one thing a person won't always end up living in the place they grow up if they get some safety knowledge early they won't be fucked if they move somewhere less shit.
>>45737756
Stop treading on the fact that most people don't want guns?
I'm not sure 'Enforcing what people want' is oppression.
>>45737762
Hm fair enough then
I only ever lived in narrogin and Perth and grew up on a farm so there were always guns nearby but now that you mention it I suppose a lot of towns do lack stores.
>>45737771
People want to be able to defend themselves anti gun laws stem from either delibrite attempts to keep people down or overreaction to tradedgy.
>>45737728
Europe.
>>45737767
Yeah You have a point.
As I European,I can't learn that though.
>>45737779
Yeah. It's why I don't really feel it deserves to be in a list of 'Mandatory skills'. Just too much of an edge case.
Stuff like Swimming and First Aid are much bigger in my list. Or even 'How to use an axe without chopping your fucking feet off' (Ran into that one a lot in scouts with a heap of idiots and near misses)
>>45737818
I will admit it is very much an edge case. Probably one of the first to go if you are triming down the list.
How many of yo anons can ride a horse?
>>45737971
What's a horse?
>>45732506
I think they're important things to know, since both games are commonly available and are great ways to socialize with other humans.
What do the chess pieces represent? I get that it's meant to be based off of warfare, with pawns being infantry, knights being cavalry and kings being the general and bodyguard, but what the fuck is everything else?
>>45732506
No, they're good things to know but they're hardly life skills. I don't know how many spy movies you've watched but your fate rarely depends on a hand of poker.
>>45732914
This. This is well put
>>45733461
Agreed. Too many people don't know how to work an oven or a fucking hammer and nails. It's disgraceful
>tfw father was a bricklayer and taught me carpentry, cooking, and introduced me to art
>tfw grandfather was olympic archery coach and taught me to box, fence, and shoot, alongside classical history
Please teach your kids practical stuff and let the theoretical stuff come to them naturally.
>>45732506
no. u are an autist if you think so, practical skills are those
>>45737971
Oh that's going on the list.
>>45732506
Yes and no. Both DEMONSTRATE essential skills - memory, strategic planning, recognizing positive and negative EV, delayed gratification, and more - BUT aren't in themselves life skills.
Just like having a fluent latin is almost worthless, but learning it exposes you to the underlaying, essential, skills.
>>45737995
Castles are cannons.
>>45737995
there are variants with giraffes.
I don't think it's a good idea to ask wtf they do represent, just bask in their glory
>WAR GIRAFFES
>>45738326
Makes sense. I always imagined that when it was invented they represented mounted artillery in fortifications.
>>45737771
Bullshit. Here people voted for guns and yet they took them away.
>>45738092
>theoretical stuff come naturally
Literally the most retarded suggestion ever.
If you aren't teaching your children priperly and are effectively leaving everything to the school system then you are a bad parent.
>>45732506
>Knowing how to play Magic the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh are life skills that everyone should learn
Do you agree, /tg/?
>>45738550
I say we should instil a hatred of the reserved list in our children from a young age.
>>45738567
Hear hear.
And of Nosewater, as well.
>>45738511
When did people in Australia vote for guns?
>>45732506
no
>>45738550
yes
