How could a modern civilization survive the plagues of Egypt?
>>45601052
By killing Moses as soon as he opened his mouth.
Remind me op, what were they again? Plague of locust, nile running red...meteorites? Idk.
>>45601137
Wouldn't that just make the plagues come faster?
>>45601212
Not if you kill God after Moses.
>>45601204
>>45601052
Get the Jews out of their country.
I mean, this time, if God's the one saying it...
>>45601052
we outlawed slavery and allow the jews to practice in peace so wouldn't we be ok
>>45601052
Let the Jews go.
We didn't want you here in the first place anyway.
>>45601254
>rain of frogs
Still happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uN5elpiDsk
>>45601254
Ha, joke's on you, god, my first born died in the fires!
>>45601499
>frogs on road
>HURR RAINING FROGS
>not trying to cross and got run over
come on
also, fucking pesticides would solve most
>>45601052
France's food shortages from the locusts would be solved by the plague of frogs!
>>45601447
You forgot that Old Testament God is such an asshole that he's mentioned as deliberately stopping pharoah from letting the israelites go before doing all the plagues by "harden"ing pharoah's heart "against moses".
>>45601427
Your main mistake was trusting the Jews to not make a deal with Satan to get back at you anyway.
>>45601647
what did the U.S. do to the jews
>>45601606
I didn't know the French were into cannibalism.
>>45601666
Became a puppet, that's what.
>>45601693
>implying le happy merchant
>implying it's notthe Reptilians
>>45601052
We have worse shit going on now, we'd barely notice. Sure the niggers might get upset that their free government money is taking a dip from one less kid but they can fix that in another six months.
>>45601774
>Reptillians
>notIlluminati
>>45601250
>Breaking News: Area Man declares war on God, shoots guns into sky while drunk; God declines to comment on the matter
>>45601565
>also, fucking pesticides would solve most
Pesticides don't cure hailstorms, blood, fire, disease, and the Angel of Death personally killing each and every firstborn son that did not mark his doorway with holy lambs blood.
>>45602205
>Pesticides don't cure [...] the Angel of Death personally killing each and every firstborn son that did not mark his doorway with holy lambs blood.
Only one way to find out.
>>45602174
>Area Man
>Not Florida Man.
>>45602205
Is the angel targeting everyone on the planet or a single country
>>45601693
*tips stahlhelm*
>>45601052
Um. Staying inside for most of it, or else using anti-biotics and bottled water.
>>45602174
Shin Megami Tensei in a nutshell.
Can't, really. After the livestock die and the locusts eat the crops, starvation and famine lead to countless riots and the complete collapse of social order. Then the solid darkness makes everything halt until it's dispelled, resulting in countless deaths from car crashes, plane crashes, runaway fires etc. The rest are mild annoyances.
>>45602174
this seems like something that should be in cards against humanity
>>45602529
Even the water turning into goddamn blood? Besides we could always just eat insects and frogs, the plagues only kill cows and eat our crops. Nutrients don't just vanish, not to mention you can grow underwater plants like seaweed to eat.
>>45602636
>Even the water turning into goddamn blood?
Being fair, the plague turned the Nile to blood, not all the water. And only for a week. It's very possible to survive on bottled water for that time, or refine the blood into a drinkable state.
Surviving on the insects and frogs would be difficult for society, and it definitely wouldn't prevent famine and rioting from the people who refuse to do so.
>>45601052
I live in Australia, mystic stuff is related only to the world the sandniggers knew.
>>45602733
>Surviving on the insects and frogs would be difficult for society
Yes but not impossible. Not to mention pesticides and other anti-bug measures could help decrease the amount that you lose. Besides, seaweed and fish would become a delicacy. So a society can focus on mass producing as much as that stuff as possible until the plagues blow over.
>>45601254
>Water turns into blood
Whole ecosystem collapses = we're fucked.
Would probably cause the extinction of almost all higher animals (including humans).
>Frogs everywhere
Wouldn't be much of a problem. I mean them eating insects might pose trouble for some other species with the same diet, but I doubt it would have any significant effect on us.
>Gnats everywhere
Well, this would be kinda annyoing, but as long as they don't carry any diseases. And hey, at least we have the frogs to eat them.
>Flies
Meant were probably biting flies, so this would be kinda like the gnats just slightly more annoying
>Disease on livestock
Meat production is inefficient as fuck anyway. As long as plants aren't effected it shouldn't pose an existential problem. The economy would probably undergo a major crisis, though since whole industrial branches would collapse instantly if we can't heal the disease. IF we can heal it, it's a bit difficult to predict, since I have no idea how long it would take to produce such huge amounts of antibiotica.
>Boils
Sucks pretty badly, but from what I've read those boils at least weren't deadly. If we could heal them, obviously not that much of a problem.
>Hail and fire
Would destroy lots of crops. Would set houses on fire. Would destroy infrastructure. Depending on how long this continues it would at best be comparable to a very heavy storm hitting a whole country and at worst cause the collapse of civilization as a whole and drive humanity close to extinction.
>Locusts
Would be kinda shitty, but we could probably just use more pesticides, which would increase cancer rates and such but definitely easier to handle than the blood and the fire hail.
>Darkness
Would disrupt the ecosystem heavily, especially since it would effect plants that operate photosynthesis. We'd need to use artificial light to grow crops, which would probably kill quite a large portion of humanity thanks to it's inefficieny.
>>45603300
>Death of firstborn
Would suck for personal reasons, but otherwise not that much of a problem, just fuck some more.
>>45603300
>Whole ecosystem collapses = we're fucked.
>Would probably cause the extinction of almost all higher animals (including humans).
It only di so to the nile, so not all water would go blood on us. Probably just the drinking water, such as bottled or the stuff coming out of our facets.
>>45602636
The Mexican fisherman who spent a year at sea survived mostly on turtle blood, with only occasional rain. Blood's excellent for hydration.
>>45601052
Alright, one at a time...
>Water to blood
How long does this last? Does it effect only running water like the Nile, or all water? If it's the latter, it can't last more than three days or literally every animal would die out, especially in a hot environment like Egypt, so we'll subsist on the vast amounts of juice we have access to thanks to international trade. If it's the former, we've got HUGE water reserves that can last three days. Filtering the water after the fact might be hard though.
>Frogs
Extermination. Natch.
>Gnats and flies
Pesticides and inoculation against insect-born diseases
>Disease on Livestock
Modern veterinary science is VASTLY in advance of Egypt, so the impact of this wouldn't be worse than swine flu or mad cow disease; that is to say, nothing, as we can import meat.
>Boils and sores
Modern medicine again. It's amazing what you can do when you're not reliant upon mummery and basic understanding.
>Hail of fire
Oh NOW we're talking! Widespread fires would still be devastating, but we've got modern firefighting services here, so expensive, but survivable
>Locusts
Oh shit. Well, this one's tough, as locust swarms are STILL devastating, but air-dropped pesticides could sort that out and we have enough food stored in insect-proof reserves to last for years, if need be.
>Darkness
Seriously? Electric lighting. Boom. Next.
>Death
Well, if it's honestly mystical, there's no defense. If it needs lamb's blood, then we've got that by the fucking LAKE if we need it. If it's caused by literally anything, like divine fucking assassins, it's GO-TIME and we found D-Com (Divine COMbat unit) as the Big G has just declared fucking war on a race that now has the capacity to wipe out all life on earth far more effectively than his pansy-ass flood.
>>45604004
>Boils and sores
>Modern medicine again. It's amazing what you can do when you're not reliant upon mummery and basic understanding.
But the boils are incurable lad. Not even modern medicine would do anything.
>Modern veterinary science is VASTLY in advance of Egypt, so the impact of this wouldn't be worse than swine flu or mad cow disease; that is to say, nothing, as we can import meat.
But you have no idea whether or not the diseases are mystical or not.
>How long does this last? Does it effect only running water like the Nile, or all water? If it's the latter, it can't last more than three days or literally every animal would die out, especially in a hot environment like Egypt, so we'll subsist on the vast amounts of juice we have access to thanks to international trade. If it's the former, we've got HUGE water reserves that can last three days. Filtering the water after the fact might be hard though.
It seems to affect running water, such as from the nile.
>>45603378
also, mongols drank their horse's milk mixed with their horse's blood
>>45602158
>Illuminati
>notsuborned by their child organization, Majestic 12
![Christ_3d9272_5772202[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VxJG5RQ.jpg "Christ_3d9272_5772202[1].jpg")
>>45601052
By being good Christians. You ARE a good Christian, aren't you?
>>45601052
Why would the modern world be subjected the plagues? We're basically all Jews of various varieties.
>>45601052
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the plagues all worked as a chain of natural phenomena.
Blood to water is a massive algae bloom that deoxifies the river, forcing all the frogs out so they don't asphyxiation. After they starve or die of exposure there's a huge boom in the population of insects like flies, gnats and locusts because they have far fewer predators, and exposure to swarms plus crop failure from locusts kills most livestock. Flies and dead animals create disease amongst a starving populace, killing many and weakening firstborn. Fires are never that uncommon if it gets dry at all, darkness might be a cloud of volcanic ash?
All in all, shit would be unpleasant but a modern society with modern medicine and global resource networks will probably get along fine in spite of it all. Lotta tweets about it I guess.
>>45604374
Oh yes, that's a good point too. Mongols usually campaigned with at least five or six mares per warrior.
>>45604851
good god that sets off my autism
>pharisse doesn't divide into rabbinical (with a star) and karaite
>then divide into ashkenazic and sepharadic
>no zionist judaism with a star
>conservative, hasidic and reform are derived from orthodox, not having conservative and reform and orthodox all deriving from ashkenazic
>nation of islam doesn't have a star
>no baha'i but mormonism
>no voudoun
>No sikh
>no quakers
>no jehovah's witnesses
>no unitarians
>no southern baptist
>>45605532
>with at least five or six mares per warrior.
...f-for the milk, right?
I always had this fantasy about some palestinian who becomes a prophet of Yahweh, converts his people back to old temple Judaism and drives out the Khazars
>>45601052
Depends on how you interpret them. If they only effect Egypt, we as a civilization survive easily. If not, we start running into trouble around plague 7 (Hail and Fire) and are unlikely to be recognizable as a civilization after plague 10 (Unconquerable Darkness). So, the people in the civilization would survive, but arguably the civilization as it existed before does not:
1. Nile into Blood
> Egypt has a tough time, but the sanguination of Nile is not an extinction level threat to a modern civilization.
2. Frogs Coming Up from the Nile
>Modern homes, airtight doors and windows. Not an extinction-level threat.
3. Dust into Lice
>Egypt-wide response includes group delousing programs and special hygiene initiatives. Times are tough and resources and labour are expended on the national level, but not an extinction-level threat.
4. Livestock Pests
>The traditional interpretation of predators would not trouble us greatly with modern habitation and animal husbandry practices, I think. If you take it to mean a swarm of flies, then I think we will get good value out of the anti-lice measures we have already taken. In any case, not an extinction-level threat.
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5. Diseased Livestock
>Horses, donkeys, camels, cattle, sheep, goats, and cats exclusively die from this plague. Not an extinction-level threat, with the modern availability and acceptance of things like pork and chicken.
6. Boils
>Man and beast suffer boils. As long as people don't overreact and try to surgically intervene en masse, they should avoid complications and make it through with the spread of basic care information. Not an extinction-level threat.
7. Hail and Fire
>Property, human life, livestock, and especially food crops are decimated. Industry greenhouses are safe, but not enough to sustain the entire system at previous levels; the international food market adjusts as the producers of underground crops like yam, sweet potato, cassava, and potato. Not gonna lie, we are hurting now. Famine looms, modern distribution infrastructure is taxed near its limit, and morale is incredibly low. Avoiding widespread riots and the further breakdown of productivity is the job of government and other organizations now. Not an extinction-level threat, but we are talking major losses and unrest.
8. Locusts
>No vegetation is left standing, finishing off food crops and notably annihilating tree crops. Our reliance on underground and underwater crops, as well those fast-growing types that regrow quickly from root systems, intensifies. Pulp and paper, textiles like linen and cotton, plant crops livestock feed all suffer, draining global stockpiles and generating mass panic in almost every industry and the business world in general. At this point, Apocalypse seems a lot more believable to the population in general.
9. Unconquerable Darkness
>Darkness so heavy it can be felt and cannot be extinguished descends on the land. This will not wipe us out, but requires major human adaptation beyond anything we have experienced so far as a species.
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>>45602205
>Pesticides don't cure
Then it's very clear you didn't use enough pesticide.
>>45605608
Well, yes, among other uses
>>45605685
10. Death of the Firstborn
>A little under half of the human population dies. Critical gaping holes open in random patches across all industries, disciplines, and branches of government. Anarchy and collapse of civilization is all but assured.
I'd wanted to include a closing image, but everything is darkness at this point, so have an image showing where we are after plague 8 (Locusts).
>>45602537
>>45605572
It was obviously made by the Jews to make the controversial political point that Christianity and Islam are tributaries of Judaism, rather than present a comprehensive look at the state of religious development overall.
>>45601254
>water turns to blood
Let's assume this is just natural water flowing/sitting on/in the earth, as in the rivers, lakes and oceans, groundwater, and rainwater. Bottled water etc. is fine. This would still severely fuck up lots of things, society would probably break down due to extreme water shortages.
ALTHOUGH it's possible to convert blood into water, so. That means this plague might not end it immediately.
>frogs
Eh, no big deal. A few extra car accidents and some particularly smelly streets after all the roadside sewage drains are clogged with frog corpses.
>Lice
Would only be mildly annoying.
>Flies
This would be really annoying especially because the flies would probably eat and breed in all of the frog corpses. But if these are the kinds of flies that need sitting water to lay eggs - ha, joke's on them, all of the water is blood now.
>Diseased Livestock
This was probably going to happen anyway thanks to all the lice, flies, and blood-water. But it would likely cause a beef/chicken shortage which could be very bad for American industry as prices shoot up.
>Unhealable boils
Unless this is the Bubonic Plague or something it's no big deal. It would be annoying and people would look ugly but EVERYONE would have it so who cares? In fact this would have a positive effect: vain people that think too highly of themselves are knocked down a peg.
>Hail and Fire
The bible actually says it's hailstorm with "fire flashing back and forth in the midst of the hail", in other words, it's a hailstorm mixed with lightning. This would be pretty damaging especially after everything else but not the end of the world either.
>Locusts
This would fuck over our crops if we have any left, and after having our water made to blood and our livestock diseased, people would be starving to death.
>Darkness
Everyone gets off of work for three days. No one cares.
>Death of First-Born
Absolutely devastating, especially with so many families only having one child now.
>>45605668
>>45605685
>>45605815
If they were really that devastating, how was Egypt able to survive after the Exodus?
>>45604131
'Incurable' and 'mythical disease' are bunkum. We thought that the Black Death was sent by god to destroy the unrighteous and could not be cured, but in the end, we found a cure and wiped that summbitch out.
Remember, even when he wanted to, aiding his favoured people and scourging the land of infidels, Big G was less than 100% effective and that was against iron chariots, bronze-age Egyptians and when he literally flooded the fucking planet, somehow, terrestrial plant life survived and flourished, even after 150 days. Hell, Big G broke language to stop us ever working together and look at the modern world; vast intercontinental trade and military alliances and even an international council.
And all that shit was when he was at the height of his power and regularly interfered with shit on Earth. After 2000+ years, those miracles have been getting smaller and further apart. Face it: God's on his way out and if he tried to replicate the plagues today, not only would we survive, but we'd be in a position to take him to task over it.
>>45603378
>>45604374
Hydrating and surviving on fresh, sanitary blood is one thing. Trying to consume blood that's been lying in a ditch for a week, which is all a river of blood is.
>>45603327
>just fuck some more
Congratulations, you've got 20 years of unsolved problems and loads of kids draining what resources you do manage to produce in that time. Not really a solution.
>>45606211
>If they were really that devastating, how was Egypt able to survive after the Exodus?
Mostly because each plague was ceased by God before the next one started, because Pharaoh kept agreeing to let his slaves go and then going back on his word. If we're saying we're inflicted with the plagues despite not keeping slaves, it means that the plagues aren't dependent on that trigger and are simply happening; there are no conditions to appease and so the plagues just persist. This is way more deadly than having them visited on us for a matter of days.
Additionally, one of the advantages of our level of technology is that we are able to sustain exponentially more people on the same amount of resources. This means when the complex mechanisms of modern society are compromised, the results are much more catastrophic. When your efficiency of resources to population is low, damage to the system is much less likely to destabilize the system.
The rest of your "arguments" seem really baseless and off-topic.
>>45606211
>>45606464
Not to mention that modern civilization is global, while Egypt was surrounded by trade partners that went unscathed by the plagues. If our shit gets fucked, there's no one to beg, borrow, or steal from to get by. That's it.
>>45605923
Don't forget about religious moral.
>>45606464
You do realize if these plagues are happening at all then we've done something to piss off god correct? Whatever it is I'm certain we would be given a sign of some sort.
>>45606211
>'Incurable' and 'mythical disease' are bunkum.
But these is a disease literally sent by god to be incurable.
Your argument is invalid.
>>45605923
>Everyone gets off of work for three days. No one cares.
But you can't see shit, literally. No light can be made inside of the darkness, not even from the sun in theory. So good luck seeing anything or even feeding yourself.
>>45607166
The OP doesn't really go into why these plagues are happening, just that they are. Assuming things like source and cause are another endeavor altogether.
Otherwise it's just another version of "be good lol" that has already been covered in this thread.
>>45607357
>The OP doesn't really go into why these plagues are happening, just that they are
Then can't we assume they last as long as they did the first time?
>>45607166
>You do realize if these plagues are happening at all then we've done something to piss off god correct?
God once ruined the life ot he literally most devote man on earth literally just to show he could.
I would not rely on him having a reasonable or to us understandable agenda for doing anything.
>>45607382
Because last time they had to be stopped with an explicit intervention. If I give you a disease, and then the cure, and then later say "okay say we give person A the same disease that you had", does that mean that I necessarily give him the cure also?
>>45607182
Besides, plenty of modern, nonmagical diseases are incurable. And plenty are just terminal before modern medicine can intervene.
>>45607419
Technically it was to show that this man's devotion was real, ie., not dependent on the continuation of the blessings he had received from god in his life until that point.
>>45607557
>Technically it was to show that this man's devotion was real
It was to show that he could do all this to him and he's still stay devote, so it was exactly just to show he could. Hiob certainly couldn't figure out why god did it, so there is no reason to assume god would tell anyone in this hypothetical plague scenario his reasons.
>>45607609
"To show that he could" implies God was proving to Satan that he was physically capable of ruining Job's life, at least in normal English.
I get that you're saying that to mean "to show that he could ruin Job's life and that Job would remain devout", but honestly that is pretty different both in the spirit and the letter of the meaning.
>>45607654
>but honestly that is pretty different both in the spirit
Its not actually. The spirit is to show that god doesn't necessarily visit curses and plagues on someone for any actual wrong doing or will tell people why he did so.
Afterall god didn't just stop blessing Hiob, by giving him a more ordinary life, he explicitly destroyed his life with terrible misfortune.
>>45607698
No one's arguing that God has historically visited misfortune on people for reasons other than demerit, or that he doesn't always explain why. You still used the phrase wrongly.
>>45607807
>No one's arguing that God has historically visited misfortune on people for reasons other than demerit
>>45607166
>You do realize if these plagues are happening at all then we've done something to piss off god correct? Whatever it is I'm certain we would be given a sign of some sort.
>>45607807
>historically
I'd argue with the use of the word "historically" here, but I suppose that would be pointless.
>>45607846
That's already been responded to, though. Why are you repeating it?
Fine, I'll say it more explicitly for you: you seem to be focusing on arguing certain things with someone who agrees with those things, when they are just pointing out how you used a phrase wrong; you should save your arguments for situations where they make sense, like in conversation with a person who don't already agree with you on that topic.
>>45607916
Fictional or hypothetical events can still establish a history, which is how the word was used.
>>45601781
Back to the shadows of <strikethrough>hell</strikethrough> /pol/ with you.
