Fuck you, Gdubs.
-Me.
Bretonnia is deceased.
What is this?
If you supported End Times you supported this
How is this a fuck you? You just gave them so much money. Why would you do that?
>>45522165
The word you're looking for is deprecated.
>>45522358
Dude GW hasn't packed fantasy models in the old reddish border boxes in many years.
OP presumably bought them from some other store at a discount.
that said
>Huurr f-fuck you geedubs, i'm gonna go play my dead army...t-that you'll never support..somehow..b-but it'll sure show you
>>45522511
>GW hasn't packed fantasy models in the old reddish border boxes in many years.
LGS still sells them, now with AoS sticker over "Warhammer"
>>45522511
Well if he's playing a game without giving GW any money or supporting their new products, that kinda is a fuck you actually.
>inb4 spluttering denials from GW IDF faggots
If you "hate Games Workshop" you're a faggot.
If you go on forums and get in arguments defending Games Workshop you are a faggot.
If you complain about every fucking release you are a faggot.
If you spout how you only buy second hand, only buy from your super secret LGS who got their stock 75 years ago when GW was cool, or how you're totally going to quit GW and show them who's boss after you finish getting xyz models, YOU ARE A FAGGOT.
Stop caring about this shit so much. Enjoy it or gtfo it's just a stupid hobby.
>>45522511
I was in a GW earlier today and they had heaps of red boxes.
they had that exact bretonnia batallion in fact.
Just curious, but if bretonians dead..what's left of humans, empire and submarines?
>>45522996
humans? nowhere near high fantasy enough, and can't even be copyrighted
why would they want that shit?
>>45521781
I can't stand those fucking plastic man-at-arms. I plan on getting 5th edition metals and plastic bowmen. good on you for your purchases in any case.
>>45522773
Sorry kid, but raging out over everyone else complaining just makes you a big hypocrite. Doesn't make you cool or exceptional. Just another douche squirting up 4chan's collective ass.
>>45523263
Because although I love orcs and goblins. It's nice to have a simple plain army of boring humans. Not silly skeletons, insane chaos people or wood/water/air/high/low/dark/misc elves
>>45523501
You've got to be kidding me. I have some of those metals and I'll take the plastics any day. Not only are they great for men at arms but also random mordheim warbands, undead armies & 40k conversions. Not very poseable without having to cut and greenstuff, but still.
The metals look cool in a 5, 10 men unit. Any more and they are tiresome. Even the cool halberdiers.
And the old plastic bowmen are one step above clone troopers, just two models.
>>45523608
Well then, I guess then you are not the target of GW. Here, have some not!power armor.
>>45521781
Ya, fuck those guys for gutting a product line that wasn't selling! What kind of dickbag wants to make money?
>>45523671
>don't update the army book in 10 years
>don't update the models in 10 years
>why isn't this selling?
>>45521781
The world of miniature war gaming is dead. In a few decades the great purge will begin, and no fun will be allowed.
>>45523794
Seems to me like a bit of a golden age desu.
Lots of quality games popping up with healthy playerbases in my area, and GW shit is in the minority.
>>45523808
You think neckbeard activities will survive political correctness and veganism?
>>45523779
They prioritize book updates based on sales figures.
How do I know this? Because it's the practice of pretty much every profit run corporation on the planet.
So why didn't they update the book or models in 10 years? Because the sales figures, which is the corporate magic-mirror, told them it wasn't going to be a worthwhile investment.
>>45523779
They didn't update anything because it wasn't selling a decade ago either. Fantasy has been a dead IP for ages. Frankly I'm shocked it took them this long to do something about it
>>45522511
That said, you're a stillborn mongoloid.
>>45522773
why dont you gtfo and shoot yourself in the mouth?
>>45523827
yeah good mate
>>45523843
It's not like the Dark Eldar revamp was a success or anything, right?
GW is famous for the little market research it does, they have even admitted it.
>>45523864
Ten years ago Fantasy pulled in as much as 40k. 15 years ago it was the main breadwinner. I wonder if it has anything to do with splitting 20 man regiments in boxes of 10 while putting up the price AND developing the rules so that more models are needed.
They just squatted TK, but back when they were released they were very popular. Perhaps if they had given them not shit rules more people would have kept playing them. Bretonnia had neither this nor new models. For 10 years. It's hard to muster interest for an obviously abandoned army.
>>45524137
>GW is famous for the little market research it does, they have even admitted it.
Are you implying that they don't even look at their sales figures?
>I wonder if it has anything to do with splitting 20 man regiments in boxes of 10 while putting up the price AND developing the rules so that more models are needed.
Yes, it's not like they don't pull this sort of bullshit CONSTANTLY with 40k as well. Fantasy sales started to slip, and GW responded accordingly. Don't blame them, blame the players for thinking memes and grimderp were more appealing than genuinely interesting lore.
>>45524137
>just squatted TK
Fuck, man. When I started, I was seriously considering TK.
>>45524274
>Don't blame them, blame the players for thinking memes and grimderp were more appealing than genuinely interesting lore.
It's always the player's fault. Either they're giving GW money and enforcing their bad behavior, or not giving them money so what was GW to do?
>>45524364
>It's always the player's fault.
Were you expecting me to dispute that? You phrased it like it was some kind of ridiculous hyperbole no one could possibly agree with. The players are the consumers. The consumers give the company money. The company exists to make money. I shouldn't even have to explain this. It's hard to even make some kind of ethical argument here- clearly, this is what "the people" wanted. This is the future we chose.
>>45524521
When people blame the customer no matter what happens, even when they do the exact opposite things (give them money = bad, don't give them money = bad), it is ridiculous. You have to right to hold those views, but I also have the right to point out the ridiculousness of those views.
>>45523671
>>45523864
>>45523843
The setting was basically the most beloved thing about the entire game, just look at all the videogames based on it and how cranky the fanbase got when they gutted it.
They NEEDED to make the game accessible to players by lowering the model count needed. They had fucked up bad by turning it into giant block of soldierhammer because starting to collect, by, and paint 28mm miniatures when you easily need upwards of a hundred is a crazy hurdle, especially when the game is really boring if you play it with just a couple of squads compared to 40k.
They could have revived mordheim. They could have made a skirmish game. They could have geared it towards smaller warbands like the lord of the rings pre-battalions.
They could have done any of those things, and kept the setting intact. The fact that they gutted the setting has nothing to do with business and everything to do with the new generation of studio people wanting to make their mark on the brand instead of feeling like they're standing on the shoulders of better people who created the setting to begin with.
>>45524701
>I also have the right to point out the ridiculousness of those views.
How is any of that ridiculous? If you like something, give them money for it. If you don't like something don't give them money for it. Why are you making this sound like some kind of huge contradiction?
>>45525169
>give GW money
>"hurr, it's your fault this happened, you didn't vote with your wallet!"
>don't give GW money
>"durr, it's your fault this happened, you didn't give GW money!"
I wonder why...
>>45523530
>>45523948
oh stop it anons, youre going to ruin his internet-koolz.
>>45525264
Yes? If people buy something the company is going to react a certain way. If they don't buy something they're going to react a different way. Chances are neither of those reactions are going to be ideal for you, and it's up to you to decide which is the lesser evil. Stop pretending that if you whine enough a magical third option is going to present itself that's going to make GW do everything you want them to AND make it profitable.
>>45525380
>>45525169
>>45524701
>>45524521
GW fucked up bad by turning WHFB into a game that makes 0 sense in 28mm scale.
Warhammer was a sustainable hobby when a few 3 rank regiments and some awesome hero on a dragon was an army.
Then the rules promoted more miniatures on the table while the cost per miniature rose. This made the people who were already into the hobby spend more, but turned it into a shit game to get started in as a new player.
The end. GW's design and business choices gutted the games growth, and they waited way too long to try to fix it because 40K was still raking in money.
And then one day they woke up and realized they had a game that took up as much shelf space as 40k, ate up just as much studio and production time, but only sold a fraction as many boxes.
And some retard convinced them that super sayian warcrafthammer was the solution, and here we are.
It's retarded to blame the players for voting or not voting with their wallet when the game was so unattractive to get into. Whether or not chaos sold more than bretonnians is incredibly irrelevant compared to the fact that you had to bu u 2 boxes and a blister to make one shitty unit of spearmen, and that the kids they needed to pick up the game to keep it alive got bored with it before they were even half the way done with collecting a playable army.
>>45524947
Seriously, Fantasy should have been in 10mm, 6mm or 15mm. It would be a lot less expensive. Couple that with a nice set of skirmish rules, and GW could have gotten a lot more players.
>>45525505
I honestly think that the biggest problem GW had was the cost of the books. Spending $100+ before you could even get some models will really kill somebody's interest.
>>45525534
Formation games are so dumb in 28mm.
I look at whfb or kow tables where the armies are lined up edge to edge and you know there is going to be very little maneuvering, just walking forward and hoping you roll better. That's no way to game.
>>45525742
Seriously, not only does it cost a load, it's not even that fun. 6mm is the perfect scale for it, but nobody uses it for some reason.
>>45525838
I am actually playtesting a 6mm fantasy wargame me and my friends made that I'm making minis for, and we play tons of Epic 40 000 (netepic) Yay hobbies and awesome friends.
>>45525881
Shit man, got any links or anything? I'd be over that like white on rice.
>>45525380
You are entitles to your opinions, anon.
>>45525838
>for some reason
I might as well play with little cardboard squares at that scale.
>I look at whfb or kow tables where the armies are lined up edge to edge and you know there is going to be very little maneuvering, just walking forward and hoping you roll better. That's no way to game.
Then you've seen some shit games.
>>45525534
>Make it 10 mm, 6mm or 15 mm
>Models are literally worthless
Thanks autistic Historical!
>>45526073
I dunno about you, but there's something really cool about seeing hundreds of 6mm minis in formation.
>>45526088
Confirmed for never using anything but 28mm.
>>45522773
You're a faggot.
>>45526116
>Make it not 28mm
>No longer Multi-part
>Conversions a pain in the ass
>Less detail
>Less fucking everything
It's simple fucking mathematics you fucking stupid retard.
Larger models can be more detailed, You ever wondered why GW are shitting out bigger models now?
Because the model designers don't want to handle small as shit minis anymore, they're boring.
Yes, you do find something cool in hundreds of 6mm minis.
It's called being an autistic shithead with zero creativity out of a statistic.
6mm is fucking shit. it is literally the worst scale ever when it comes to a hobby side and you might as well just use box counters.
>>45526169
Right, if you want highly detailed multi-part minis, play a skirmish game, formations have no place with such a large scale. And tell me none of this is creative.
And seeing as how 6mm fucked your mom, why not 15mm? Great detail, but not too big and doesn't cost too much.
>>45526116
>I dunno about you, but there's something really cool about seeing hundreds of 6mm minis in formation.
Not shitting on people who like it, I've seen it played and played some myself, but I'm just not a fan. It's like playing an RTS from the radar view where everything's just an icon.
20-28mm is my scale. I like to have units of individual models. Game sizes of a few dozen dudes (depending on the army, of course) and some vehicles/big bastards in the mix.
>>45526169
>You ever wondered why GW are shitting out bigger models now?
Because they can sell them for even more money?
>>45526221
If you want WHFB in small scale, play Warmaster. Or if you want your skirmish, play AoS. Some people enjoy 28mm scale formations. I know it's crazy, but they do. You have plenty of other games to choose from, if you don't like it.
>>45526227
I can definitely respect that, it's not a scale for everybody. Skirmish games is where I like 28mm, because I can take my time and make each mini unique.
And you respectfully stated your opinion, unlike some people.
By the way, have you every tried 15mm?
>>45526275
I'm just saying m80, I think it's the wrong scale for the job, like playing an RTS on a console.
And for the love of God, don't play AoS.
>>45526221
>Y-You don't like hundreds of colored dots on large rectangles!?
>B-Buy a Skirmish game
What about a fucking Medium sized Wargame like Warhammer used to be?
When shit like this was an Army. Also yeah, literally nothing about Historical is creative.
>>45525534
>>45525742
>>45525838
>>45525881
>>45525986
Complaining about scale in non-specialist GW games is like complaining about D&D's alignment system. Both very arguably hold it back, both are rooted in the company's refusal to fully accept what kind of product they're making and how people use it, and either ever changing is so utterly out of the question that it's almost not worth discussing
>>45525595
This is one of the dumbest things GW does IMO. Like most of the entertainment industry they're so wrapped up in the idea that free content=lost profits. They'd be better off releasing digital versions of the rulebooks for free and letting the lore sell the product.
>>45525999
Come on man. If you're not going to address anything I said what was the point of responding?
>>45526169
>>45526221
The whole thing is tied in with GW's refusal to shit or get off the pot when it comes to what they're actually selling. Are you a wargame company? Make smaller, lower quality models and charge less for them. Are you a miniatures company? Stop pretending you're a fucking wargame. Hell you don't even have to choose really. Just stop trying to do both in the same product line.
>>45526300
You advocate for 6mm.
You have literally no opinion on tastes because your first reaction is to use Historicals as a point of reference and not Warmaster or Epic/Titan
>>45526309
See, that's a skirmish sized game right there. Perfect for 28mm. But then GW had to go and cock it up. Oh, nothing historical is creative? Tell me more. And try Epic if you want your definition of creativity.
Take a look at 15mm some time, it's great.
>>45521781
Gotta feel bad for Bretonnia.
They waited 10 years an update and all they got was an intern telling them their services were no longer required.
Far well Knights of the Realm. You have no place in this new world of giant golden super soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlHz0wF0IgDear Mr. GW,
We accept the fact that you had to sacrifice the whole Warhammer Fantasy Setting for whatever reason it was. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us - in the simplest terms, in single worded themes. But what we found out is that each one of us is a peasant...
... and a knight...
... and a pilgrim...
... and a damsel...
... and a outlaw...
Does that answer your question?
Sincerely yours,
The Bretonnia Club
>>45526327
What?
>>45526300
I think 6mm is like playing RTS from the tactical view.
>>45526363
>Some autist copies out of a journal
>Creative
Historical is literally for people who lack any eye for creativity and just want to mindlessly repeat whatever banal shit they can reproduce.
Also
>Skirmish game
>Has formations
>>45526397
I have never met a person who plays Historicals who wasn't such a puss filled pathetic shithead. This retard is no exception.
>>45526410
I mean, you have a point, but some people like tactical view. If you want more detail, why not 10mm or 15m? Using 28mm is like playing Dawn of War with Space Marine (the shooter) sized units.
>>45526276
>By the way, have you every tried 15mm?
Most games I've seen use models on unit bases, which I don't like, and on individual bases the difference to 20mm is not major. 20mm is, from what I've found, way more common, especially in historicals minis.
>>45526427
Anon, I don't think you've ever met Cold War Gone Hot players. And you're acting really angry right now, is there a problem?
>>45526323
>Come on man. If you're not going to address anything I said what was the point of responding?
If you just keep on stating your opinions that everything, no matter what happens, is the customer's fault, what's there to even address. You've said your peace, I've said mine, there's no point in running around in circles.
>>45526427
I said skirmish sized you dunce, not skirmish. And painting up teeny tiny Black Watch Highlanders so that they actually look like Black Watch ain't creative?
>>45526448
>some people like tactical view
And some like to be more hands down.
>>45526469
Yes, there is.
You see I am a die cast old fashioned Warhammer Fantasy player.
I tried out Warmaster, it was fun, but it lacked the biggest thing Warhammer always had.
It was the perfect middle ground between tactical formation fighting, and the individual heroism that makes fantasy so fun.
Historical players, and 6/10mm advocates for that run at a literal Anti-thesis to what I enjoy out of Fantasy Wargaming.
>>45526501
>Copying something is creative!
Yeah, no it's not, try actually thinking outside of a box you autistic little shitstain.
Show me how those "Black Watch higherlands" would look any fucking different to any other Black Watch Highlanders.
>>45526363
>See, that's a skirmish sized game right there. Perfect for 28mm.
I thought you said formations were not for 28mm and those minis are in formations.
>>45526544
Well Anon, the other guy has a point. Back when you didn't need a gorillion minis, it was fine for 28mm. I dunno if it's the right thing anymore.
>>45526564
Ah but don't you see?
It's not 100s of little exactly copy pasted shit tier models on a big plastic rectangle.
It's not a "real" formation.
>>45526589
I made that point.
Warhammer was best when it was 4-5 formations.
Where people only really fielded units of 10/15 unless they were skaven/undead/goblins.
>>45526564
I shouldn't have said formations, because that's not the problem. The problem is mass-battles with 28mm, not 28mm itself. It works just fine for skirmish sized games, which is small units duking it out loosely, traditionally speaking.
>>45526544
>>45526596
Jesus Anon, you really hate 6mm. Would you like to talk about it?
>>45526596
So can we just say "8e with huge ass formations was shit" and shake on it?
>>45526611
Dude, that's the point that I've been trying to make. I've been saying (with a few mistakes) that 28mm works well for stuff like that, it's 6th edition and up WHFB that should be in a smaller scale.
>>45521781
Your gallantry is unquestioned dear anon. I hope your chivalrous knights fight many more battles in the name of the Lady.
I really wish I could find that old Inferno comic about the Knight gearing himself up in a chapel. It spends a while talking about this terrible siege that's been going on, and once he has all his armor on he steps out of the chapel and you see that he's the only one left of the garrison and there's this huge fucking Chaos army outside waiting for him and he just charges right into them. Chivalrous as fuck.
Also, Perry Bros make some awesome mounted Men At Arms, for anyone who wants quality knights.
>>45526646
What is there to talk about, I literally gave the reason why.
6mm is less personal, it's less creative and it's less heroic. And the nobbish unimaginative dicks it brings along are just flies around the shit.
>>45526684
And you kept calling it "Skirmisher" because you think because it doesn't field little blobs of models on top of about the same amount of rectangles as Warhammer fielded units you think it's not allowed to be a "Proper" formation wargame.
>>45526706
You know; I can sort of see why the Brets are being discontinued.
Literally every thread had "Bret" armies composed of 90% Perry minis.
Good thing they didn't replace Chaos Warriors yet. And that new 16 model box made them even cheaper. I'll just grab a pair of them and I got all the Mortal units I need. Well, maybe get some of those AoS starter siegmarines to make Chaos Ogres, because the idea of huge Chaos Warriors gives me a mild chubby.
>>45526718
I never called it skirmisher (that's a type of soldier), and I never said that you need 6mm. I'm just saying that 7th and up Warhammer is too big, it needs to be smaller.
And what makes a tiny Baneblade any less creative than a big Baneblade?
>>45526731
Yeah, I hate that I understand their reasoning. I LOVED that the Empire was basically fantasy Renaissance Germany, it's such a unique and fun idea that most Fantasy avoids. But, well... you can't trade mark Landsknechts and Zweihanders anymore than you can trademark Arthurian Knights, so off it goes.
>>45526755
More space gives you more areas to detail.
You can make it more personal.
it IS more personal.
>>45526731
I doubt it's even because they're cheaper. People buy (non-china) FW shit just fine. But if you have to choose between busted ass old minis and sharp new minis, there's only so far you can go with brand loyalty.
If the mere fact that they were cheaper was a major factor, then we should see way more WHFB armies made from non-GW minis, because there's a lot of cheaper alternatives available.
>>45526800
But you need a better painter (a more creative person) to make a tiny Baneblade look good.
And I dunno why you needed to get so riled up, we can have civil discourse, can't we?
>>45526807
>Old and Busty minis
That's sort of moot when the Perry minis look like deformed toadmen while the Knights of the Relm kits are pretty damn good save for the torsos being a little lackluster.
People use perry minis the same reason they used Mantic minis.
They were semi-passable and they were dirt cheap.
>>45526838
What's the point in Civil discourse when you don't even get the fucking point I am making.
Sure, you can be very skilled to make a tiny baneblade look good.
But you literally have more space, more workings to make the larger model look better.
Case in point, fucking Inquistor models.
>>45526924
You do have a very good point, and I freely admit that larger scales have advantages. But so do smaller ones, and I think we can agree on some things, like 8th edition being shit. Seriously, this argument has gone on since miniature wargaming was a thing, and no sides have ever budged.
I think we can agree that 28mm and up looks better, but suffers in large games (large as in 200+ minis)? Maybe part ways peaceably?
>>45527022
Yes, I will happily agree 28mm and up becomes more clunky when it starts having a larger model count and that smaller model sizes are clearly designed for the larger army Design.
>>45526924
>They were semi-passable and they were dirt cheap.
Then why don't we see more armies made up of non-GW minis? And this is in response to the comment about Bret armies being 90% Perry.
>>45522773
"if you have opinions you're a faggot, why can't everyone accept everything as just being how it is all the time"
>>45527078
See, this is what I've been trying to say. Maybe I'm just retarded, but I couldn't get the point across.
Anyways, here's hoping somebody makes a retroclone of old Warhammer, and small-unit formation games make a comeback.
>>45527085
Because you do?
But the main factor is alot of people just want to have nice Minis. And as much as you bash GW, they generally make Nice minis.
I mean their models are expensive, but when I put my GW brand Skeletons and Grave guard against Mantic Skeletons, I can pretty much say "Yeah, seems worth it"
>>45527086
Way to miss the point. We have multiple threads that are virtually identical to this one every single day. This isn't heart surgeons and Facebook likes; GW isn't going to change their minds if we reach 1 million shitposts.
>>45526924
I dunno if I'd call this deformed toadmen.
>>45527155
I'm confused now. Are you saying that people buy minis for the price or the quality?
>>45527220
The Quality, because at the end of the day, Mantic Undead are cheap as piss, but they don't look like this.
>>45526544
What does that say about people who use the Nuln scheme for their State Troops, or paint their Space Marines as Blood Angels?
>>45527294
Well that was what I was saying as well.
>>45527334
That they're uncreative plebs and shouldn't be allowed to shit up our hobby.
>>45523608
Then Age of Sigmar isn't for you unfortunately. It's a very high power level fantasy.
Angels vs demons kind of thing.
>>45523864
That's a load of shit. Bretonnia was selling very well a decade ago.
With the release of 5th edition it and Lizardmen were selling more than everyone but Chaos actually.
>>45522773
I'm not here because I don't fucking care. No one ends up here who doesn't care more than other people, even if it's in the most autistic sense.
>>45530165
The correct terminology is that AoS is too much "ANIME" for him.
>>45525303
he never had any if he thought posting HERE was a good idea.
>>45530281
Who would win in a fight between Archaon and Abaddon?
>>45530694
AoS Archaon?Without contest he would win since he eats gods for breakfast and has destroyed universes.
WHFB Archaon? Abaddon stands a chance to defeat him but It should be noted that Rob Sanders who is one of the HH authors said that Archaon could defeat the 40K Primarchs in a fight.
>>45530737
>As well as your Archaon novels, you're also known amongst Black Library readers for your Horus Heresy fiction. But who would win in a fight between Archaon and a primarch?
>"Going to upset some folks either way on this one! I think it has to be Archaon. Think about it this way. All of the traitor primarchs were primarchs like their loyalist brothers before they turned to Chaos – and yet they still turned. They were the princes of the galaxy, the generals of colossal armies and the product of genetic engineering that bestowed upon them incredible gifts and abilities. Yet still about half of them turned to the Ruinous Powers. As the Everchosen of the Chaos gods, Archaon is ruin incarnate. He is chosen of all Chaos, not a single power like many of the favoured traitor primarchs"
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/interview-with-author-of-archaon-lord-of-chaos.html
The related quote.
>>45526309
I converted that treeman into a DnD ent not long ago. Now he has foliage and branches. Now that Warhammer is dead, why not?
>>45523843
I guess we started getting all of these super heroes movies because the old X-Men, Spiderman, and Superman series were just flying off of the shelf.
>No company would ever re-boot or re-invigorate a flagging product unless it wasn't flagging
I don't think you know what 'know' means
>>45530754
Not unreasonable
The Primarchs were made with stolen Chaos shit
And Archaeon is the product of the gods buffing him with all their chaos shit
>>45527155
>GW core skeletons look way better than Mantic skeletons and justify the huge price increase
...you put GW's old but serviceable skeletons next to Mantic's skeletons, which are widely considered some of the best core troop skeletons in the industry and a flukey crit success from Mantic, and decided that the GW miniatures are clearly worth 200-300% more?
>>45524521
>Catch 22 was Yossarians fault
Been playing Bretonnians since 1993. Fuck you GW!
>>45530737
Archaon, even in WHF, is ultimately a dood in armor.
Abaddon has a stormbolter.
>>45526323
>This is one of the dumbest things GW does IMO. Like most of the entertainment industry they're so wrapped up in the idea that free content=lost profits. They'd be better off releasing digital versions of the rulebooks for free and letting the lore sell the product.
Or just do what FW's doing with the HH stuff. Giant fuckoff books with everything for people who love that sort of thing, and then the smaller, cheaper book that's just the rules.
>>45522165
Warhammer is deceased
>>45522511
Bretonnia never got updated from 6th Edition, so all Bretonnia kits still have the old red border boxes. There are plenty of kits that still do, it is only ones that have got updated/reboxed that don't
>>45522511
>OP presumably bought them from some other store at a discount.
...and you assume that store no longer buys stock from GW? Why?
>>45526706
Bump on this, now I'm interested too.
>>45524317
I have a TK chariot just sitting there on my bookshelf. Pic related. I was originally going to use it with a Tomb King in it, which is why it doesn't have any crew. Now there's just no point bothering with it.
>>45521781
I cannot wait for them to squat beast men so people will start selling their models off out of rage for low low prices.
>>45521781
good sir,
play historicals, oldhammer ,or Kings of War.
those mini's are yours.
and yes, fuck them. you have an army, but that shit company has convinced gamers the newest rules set is the only rules set....
>>45521781
What is a "Warhammer?"
>>45530906
By that logic Abby>Daemon Primarchs. Well, in a way, I could buy it. Of course in AoS Archaon is kinda a god, right? I mean, I dont follow it but Ive seen ilustrations of him fighting sigmar and shit
>>45521781
Did men at arms become not literally the worst infantry in the game in 8th or something?
>>45535818
The models are lovely and can be useful for mordheim/regiments of renown/undead conversions. Also, a horde of them with a damsel & halberds can do interesting stuff.
And perhaps OP is planning on playing 9th/KoW/previous editions.
>>45523671
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>>45524274
There's probably more "Capitalism said so!" posts but it's worth remembering that fantasy was probably the second or third most played game on the planet. It wasn't selling /compared to 40k/; almost every other wargames company would've killed someone for it's market share.
Conveniently, GW gave it to them, which is nice of them.
>>45537268
>GW gave it to them, which is nice
Silly anon. Don't you know that GW is a multinational corporation that rakes-in millions each year solely because their management team is so super-smart? You're going to feel pretty foolish when the GWIDF shows up and explains, "Shut up, Whiney McWhineypants! Stop whining! Gosh!"
>>45523671
Found the GW shill
