Its happening
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-eldritch-moon-2016-02-08
>>45300178
yeah emrakul is probably fucking up innistrad or some shit
>>45300178
>More Liliana
SHE HAS NO FUCKING REASON TO BE ON INNISTRAD
>Lili and her zombie hordes
ids habbeding
I think everyone saw this coming.
While it's true that they could have saved Emrakul for a later set, they definitely would have given us a hint that she was leaving Zendikar in BFZ or OGW if they were.
Only by having her pop up in the immediate successor block could their silence on her whereabouts work.
>>45300294
I mean, it was the first plane she walked to.
Actually, shouldn't that mean Sorin knows about her? I have a hard time believing
he is fine with a crazy necromancer fucking with an already fucked plane.
>>45300294
She probably just likes it there. Aside the living guildpact duties and all, Jace loves Ravnica.
>>45300330
>tfw none of them loveDominaria
Whatifitsnoteldrazi?
Fuck. Sorin can't even headline his own plane
>>45300290
>>45300317
Why the everloving fuck is everyone assuming that Emrakul is on Innistrad? Seriously, we have absolutely NO reason to believe that it's there. Do you see Emrakul in any of the art for the set so far? No.
>>45300345
Well she was exiled from there, and her dead brother still wanders the land. plus that place is fucked.
Ooh, asian Lilliana. I like it.
I think it's just poor naming choice. Not that it's a bad name, but it might incorrectly imply an Eldrazi link. That splash art is pretty generic Innistrad.
I mean, really, would they fuck this plane up too hard? It's super popular, and the Eldrazi flavor text is probably their AWESOME NEW STORYTELLING FORMAT
>>45300345
None of them can love Dominaria, Kamigawa or Lorwyn because they were unpopular planes :^)
>>45300353
because everybody loves emrakul and he wasnt in the last block, wizards isnt going to not pander to the crowd
doesnt matter what makes sense you dont not crowdplease
>>45300353
>Eldritch Moon
>Emrakul is the Titan of Corruption, the largest and most fearsome of the Eldrazi. She does not affect unliving matter - rocks, water, etc...but twists all things living, be it plants, animals, or sentient beings. She causes silent terror wherever she soars, embodying desolation, emotional and physical distance, the chill of the void, and the terror of being alone.
>The Emrakul lineage is characterized by fleshlike lattice structures, uneasy bilateral symmetry, and tentacles that end in knobby, vestigial digits. Looking like spongy, alien baleen, the lattice respires independent of the Eldrazi itself, supporting a host of unseen mite-creatures within. Some within this lineage, including Emrakul itself, float above the ground, using unknown powers to alter the surrounding gravity.
>Corruption
>Tentacles
>Silent Terror
>Living creatures, not landscapes
She is Lovecraft as hell.
Can we just collectively codename this set to EMO?
>>45300353
Because the word often is associated with Cthulhu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldritch
>>45300353
Are you too much of a retard to realize that both set names are Lovecraft references at this point?
Emmy is the Cthulu of Magic
>>45300362
With modern kiddies anyways, though I don't recall why Lorwyn was unpopular other than fae domination.
>>45300382
Eldritch Moon - 2C
Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Wastes.
:^)
>>45300421
give it tribal eldrazi so you can power it out easier
>>45300178
Lead Final Design
aka the guys deciding the numbers
Sam Stoddard
aka the guy who just wrote
>Lightning Strike is the right power level for Standard, but it is pretty boring.
I wonder how this will play out
>>45300409
IIRC Lorwyn was relatively unpopular with the American crowd due to it being mostly based on Euro folklore
>>45300421
Don't worry, Reddit already said this card can't existof course eldrazi don't give a shit about rules
>>45300353
Inb4 the Eldritch Moon is Emrakul herself descending on the plane.
>>45300442
As an American, I fucking loved Lorwyn.
>>45300178
God, I love that art.
I recently started playing Magic Duels and I was actually really impressed with how they did the back stories of all the walkers. Vryn and Kaladesh are cool planes and I even liked that they brought back Dominaria for Liliana.
I actually found myself getting interested in Jace, despite everything.
Since this is the closest thing to a lore thread, could you guys answer me some questions?
What was the war on Vryn about? And who was Chandra fighting back before Balal started chasing her?
>>45300421
Edlritchest Moon CC
Tribal Enchantment - Eldrazi
If a land would produce mana of any color, it produces C instead.
>>45300403
Niggah, I own his collected works. That doesn't mean that Emmy is there. Shadow over Innsmouth was a fucking fishmen story. By your logic Shadows over Innistrad should be about an invasion of Merfolk. Hell, Geralf is basically Herbert West, Reanimator. Eldritch Moon could be a reference to The Dreamlands with their moon palaces. Pisses me off when everyone assumes Cthulhu with Lovecraft. Bitch that's not all he fucking wrote.
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>>45300409
The fairy tale aesthetic was too saccharine, apparently.
>>45300442
>Most fantasy is based on Europe
>Most Americans are European
>Planes like Innistrad, Theros and Ravnica are popular
>>45300475
Ravnica is based upon Jewish Mythology.
Innistrad is based (largely) upon American settler experiences in New England.
Your argument is flawed.
>>45300504
>jewish mythology
explain
>>45300504
I knew the Orzhov were fucking JEWS
FUCKING JEWS
>>45300504
Ravnica is based on general European mythology, and most Jews in America came from Europe.
Innistrad was based on Prussia.
Americans love Lord of the Rings, Lorywn's unpopularity had nothing to do with being Celtic.
>>45300475
>Planes like Innistrad, Theros and Ravnica are popular
Most americans are familiar with greek mythology and 'horror' aesthetic and ravnica has the most generic flavor out of any block in existence, to the extent that there might as well only be 10 people in the entire plane aside from the planeswalkers (the 10 guilds).
>>45300178
>Eldritch Moon
>>45300504
I don't know where the fuck you're getting your info but Ravnica is based on a magitech setting.
And Innistrad is based on gothic horror.
>>45300546
Well I'll be damned. might just happen now that I think about it.
>>45300361
>might incorrectly imply an Eldrazi link.
>incorrectly
>would they fuck this plane up too hard? It's super popular
So was Zendikar
>>45300515
Nephilim, Golems, Sphinxes, etc.
>>45300527
Judaism (as is Christianity) are religions and traditions foreign to Europe. They are Middle Eastern.
Innistrad had a lot of German influence, but everything aside from the vampires was New England settler experience.
>>45300515
>explain
The Nephilim, for one.
>>45300577
>>45300575
The Jew is a godless creature, saying something is based on Jewish "religion" simply doesn't make sense.
>>45300504
>>45300515
>>45300527
I'd call Ravnica more Eastern European mythology than Jewish. There was some Semitic stuff but since it was all mostly secular it definitely wasn't ALL Jewish folklore.
Innistrad is Gothic Horror in general, which was a genre that saw representation on both sides of the Atlantic IIRC. Mary Shelley was from England, remember.
>>45300546
I hope Tamiyo comes back, but I kind of doubt it. Kamigawa was a long-ass time ago, would she still be alive?
Maybe she'll make an appearance as a visibly agedchristmas cakemoon spirit 'walker.
>>45300178
>Madness in standard
>Jace in Standard
>Mfw they reprint Lili of the Veil
>>45300472
>Pisses me off when everyone assumes Cthulhu with Lovecraft.
The lesson R&D learned from Kamigawa, Innistrad, and Theros was to appeal to pop culture expectations, not accuracy.
Since the majority of people think Lovecraft = Cthulhu, that's what any Magic interpretation of Lovecraft will be built on.Mountains of Madness and Shadow Out of Time are both better than Call of Cthulhu, and The Outsider and The Music of Erich Zann deserve far more attention than they get.
>>45300607
they straight up wrote an article about how lotv is too good for standard and powerful cards will only make it into standard by accident from now on
>>45300504
>>45300527
>>45300539
>>45300555
Ravnica is 16th century Prague, you numbnuts
>>45300613
Shadow Out Of Time is not better than Call of Cthulu. That story is retarded.
>>45300472
>>45300613
Fuck you both
I serve the King in Yellow
>>45300613
>Shadow Out of Time
His best story desu
>>45300641
Call of Cthulhu is a snorefest. It's the among the most hack-and-slash of Lovecraft's stories, and one of the worst at building tension.
>>45300638
But 16th century Prague was a Central-Eastern European city with a large Jewish population! They can't just combine various diverse
elements into a new and unique world! There must only be one source that everything is based on!
>>45300618
The only reason they didn't put LotV in M15 was because of Monoblack devotion in standard.
>we wont get emrakul until july
God dammit, I wanted to finish my eldrazi triad deck this spring. Whatever. At least it's 100% confirmed she's coming anyways.
Also someone at Wizards must have a huge hardon for Bloodborne and must have immediately pushed for an innistrad block in the middle of the eldrazi block.
>>45300442
Lorwyn was unpopular because it consciously didn't revolve around power-fantasies and focused more on worldbuilding. In other words it failed because most magic players are annoying little shits who would rather play yugioh.
>>45300474
This is why I hate every fucking try hard "cool" kid that shit talks Rebecca Guay or Teresse Neilson while jerking off the OMG so spiky and dark and Kewl Art of Ramond Swanland and Steve Argyle.
>>45300613
>Mountains of Madness
>Shadow out of Time
>The Outsider
>Music of Erich Zann
Patrician tier taste good sir.
>>45300641
>CoC
>not one of his shittier works
Everyone knows Innsmouth is the best
>>45300638
I thought it was Ankh-Morpork...?
>>45300680
did you read the article because based on what you just said I'm going to assume you did not
>>45300290
>inb4 the only reason why Emrakul showed up to innistrad is becauseshe completely tsundere for Sorin.
>>45300694
but everyone loves Nielsen
AHH
>>45300575
>Innistrad had a lot of German influence, but everything aside from the vampires was New England settler experience.
As I've already said, Mary Shelley was from England, not New England.
And if you don't think Frankenstein had an influence on Innistrad, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>45300641
>Call of Cthulhu
>Better than Shadow Out of Time
Shit taste confirmed. How does it feel to have such shit taste?
>>45300646
An acceptable answer.
>>45300733
Kos, or as some say, Kosm.
>>45300604
Nigger, Tamiyo was in AVR, that's only a few years ago even in story terms.
>>45300709
>>45300662
I'm not saying CoC was good, I'm just saying Shadow out of Time was retarded.
But I am one of those retards who loves the Dream shit more than anything else, so what do I know?
>>45300752
GRANT US ANNIHILATOR
>>45300694
Dude, if I could have my decks be entirely Neilson art, I would.
>>45300604
Tamiyo was in last Innistrad block, she's not from contemporary Kamigawa, not Kami War era.
And the last Checking In On The Planeswalkers article mentioned that she's still in Innistrad researching the moon with Jenrik.
>>45300604
She was on Innistrad last time. Kamigawa's STORY was a long time ago, but the plane still exists.
>>45300694
>Rebecca Guay
I'm still mad. Nowadays most art has zero personality.
>>45300741
http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/164
>Prussian military-inspired armor and Hessian soldier-inspired jackets.
>>45300790
>she's not from contemporary Kamigawa
She IS from contemporary Kamigawa, sorry for the typo
>>45300465
Anyone? I know we are talking HPL right now, but I'd love some insight without having to read five terrible Uncharted Realms articles.
Also, what sort of stuff did they end up retconning with Nissa?
>>45300803
I think she just moved on to better things. She now does big galleries, and sells her paintings for a lot of money.
>>45300714
I didn't realize they put out a second article that totally contradicted what they. Said last time about them being willing to reprint her.
Man fuck wizards.
>We're willing to reprint LotV into standard
Lol jk
>We won't print incomplete land cycles into a. Set
Lol jk
>>45300777
>>45300790
Oh, damn. There I go again, forgetting simple shit.
Oh well. I still hope she shows up again. She's cute.
>>45300805
I'm not saying that Innistrad didn't have German influences, I'm saying that it's innacurate to claim it ONLY had to do with New England and Germany. Sorry, if I'd been a little more conservative with my quoting that would have been more clear.
It might also be worth noting that Hessians were mercenaries who are mostly famous (at least in America) for that time they were hired by the British.
>>45300604
Kamigawa block was like 1000 years before the current age. However Tamiyo only showed up 3 or so years ago timeline wise.
>>45300345Urza
>>45300825
>mfw I needed a fetchable b/w land that did not cause life-loss
>>45300825
Where did they say they'd reprint her?
>>45300819
That is great to hear, it's just that I don't understand the people who complained about her. I guess most players are content with generic fantasy artwork.
>>45300178
>Gothic Horror plane
>Heavy elements of Cosmic Horror
>Emphasis on the moon
We full Bloodborne now
>>45300868
Most players who give a shit about the art like her. The ones who don't like her don't give enough of a shit to really care.
Marketing and Branding are the ones who wanted the art conformity we have now.
But don't worry, we got Nils Hamm, Bradley Noah and Yeong-Hao Han to save us.
>>45300868
I think it's because people typically don't like the Art Neuavo style in their hyper-cool power fantasies? Someone told me the reason they never liked Guay's art was because it didn't feel bad ass and was kinda girly, Swanland on the other hand was super bad ass and cool.
Basically nurgles don't have a clue how aesthetic and art works. I suspect a lot of them also look at Impressionism and go "lol so blurry were dey nearsighted xDDD"
>>45300942
I will admit that her choice of paints can come off looking... flat.
>>45300960
>Implying this flat
>>45300913
I liked Quinton Hoover's stuff
>>45300960
A valid critique. Especially of her early work, but as time went on and she did more and more cards (relatively speaking), her color choices become more dynamic and visually interesting; some pieces like Bitterblossom become almost a study of color, with rich
blacks and purples being offset by paler tones.
>>45300694
Funny thing is my favorite artists are Terese Nielsen, Magali Villeneuve, Chase Stone...and Raymond Swanland.
I don't even know what my taste is.
>>45300613
how can one person be so right?
>>45301022
What you like, not what shits say you should like.
>>45301022
Eh Raymond does do some interesting pieces, and his aesthetic certainly works for the planes that are meant to be artificial by nature. Besides you can have an outlier: for instance I love classical romanticism but I still enjoy Impressionism.
>>45300996
I adore Hoover's line work. Some of his pieces from the Dark are down right creepy to look at.
>>45300942
Swanland is literally the Par Olofsson of MTG. Has some good ideas once in a while, but the vast majority of his work is exaggerated and way too polished.
>>45300409
It isn't, MaRo is a fucking egomaniac, neurotic, lying kike.
Lorwyn has shown up in the top 5 most popular planes by flavor in every poll they've made.
MaRo hates Lorwyn because it celebrates creepy white people culture, that's why we won't be back untill he's gone now that Core-Sets are done and he can sink his paws into every set.
>>45301024
The Outsider and Shadow Out of Time suck. They have stupid premises and make a lot of ridiculous leaps. The amount of suspension of disbelief required is tremendous for those stories.
I agree on the rest. Music of Erik Zhann is amazing.
>>45300434
It's also got two cunts on design and only one of them actually knows how to play.
>>45301065
That's a super concise way to summarize him. Good job.
>>45300434
I mean, he is right.
>>45301073
>The amount of suspension of disbelief required is tremendous for those stories.
You can say that about most of his stories.
>>45300942
>>45300996
>>45301022
>>45301064
>>45301065
Drew Tucker, bitches.
>>45301144
How could I forget Drew Tucker? I feel retarded, some of my favorite pieces are by him.
kev walker is pretty cool
Maybe Emrakul is a red herring and Liliana set out to summon Marit lage to Innistrad. Liliana would know of her, being from Dominaria.
>>45301227
Kev Walker's new zombie tokens are probably my favorite.
Also Wrath of God and Damnation.
Lets just hope the art quality is the same as last time.
>>45300992
That's Nielsen, not Guay.
>>45301137
Yeah, I know. I'm just surprised how fondly you guys like Shadow out of Time. I just found the protagonist's behavior completely unbelievable.
Whatever. I'm glad everyone here has read all of HLP, even if there's a lot of trash in there. A lot of trash. He has like, one good story for every five.
Does Emrakul even affect zombies? Can Eldrazi even deal with faith magic? All they've ever known is Elemental.
>>45301072
Online polls are not the same as actual market research. You don't get a realistic cross-section--just the truly hardcore invested types.
>>45301322
Derp, my bad.
Well, she is a bit flat, but she often shows some contrast.
>>45300881
>Emrakul is the Moon Presence
Ulamog is already the Amygdalas and Kozilek is kinda Kos-like I guess
>>45301370
I'd say that's got plenty of contrast. The orange/auburn of the hair provides a nice compliment to the subdued green of the forest. All of which work to bring attention to the paleness of the figure. Also it's entirely earth tones which is pretty impressive and feels Green.
>>45301022
>Magali Villeneuve
looked her up, I don't usually like cgi art and after looking through her stuff I don't usually like her (some good stuff though, I'll admit)
>Chase Stone
Same but worse, I like tibalt and caryatid.
>Raymond Swanland
Jesus, he is like the Anti-Guay he makes agressive streaks while she makes flowing streaks... It sometimes works (staggershock, maybe marrow shards) but not much of a fan in general, especially dislike it when he does blue spells. Has a few non-aggressive stuff, which has a bit better hit/miss rate.
In short: shit taste, I disrespect your opinion on all matters art.Honestly though, I feel like your tastes are wrong but not without sense
>>45301340
I like Lovecraft because of his creativity. As a writer he sucks hard. His stories all start the same, he is awful at building tension, and tries to end most many stories in a twist that just doens't work.
But I'm still left thinking "how does he come up with all this stuff?".
>>45300178
So, is Liliana going to slowly become a Lich or something now?
Because I don't see another way to reuse the DMG art so flagrantly
>>45301355
Zendikar was not their first rodeo. They'd eaten countless other planes before that, presumably using all kinds of magic.
>>45301528
...well, I'll be damned.
>>45300694
I think my current favorite artist is Johannes Voss
Lyev Skyknight is such a pretty card.
>>45300178
>>45300290
Despite what it the evidence may point towards, I'm unconvinced its Emrakul at Innistrad mainly because of pic related.
Do you really think they'd print this card in a set with the Eldrazi and NOT make it Devoid?, Plus, in the spoiled pack there were no Devoid cards at all. If the Eldrazi were in Innidtrad at leadt a good 30% of the set would be Devoid.
You could argue SoI is the setup ffor Eldritch Moon and that the Eldrazi remain hidden while the walkers investigate, with the Investigate mechanic an all, but I doubt it. It's kind of tough for a gigantic, airborne monstrosity like Emrakul to remain hidden after all. Kozilek did it, but Kozilek, unlike Emmi, controls space, time and is connected with Earth if the Merfolk legends are to be believed, so it'd be relatively easy for him, and even then plenty of members of his brood were sighted in BfZ (Skitterskin, Kozilek's Channeler / Sentinel).
Of course, Wizards doesn't care about such a thing, so they may still pull out the Eldrazi for Eldritch Moon after giving them a rest in SoI. But yeah, I won't be convinced until I see a Devoid card.
>>45301654
I would assume this is Nahiri casting this spell not an eldrazi.
>>45301654
SoI will just have Nahiri using her Lithomancy to fuck with the plane as a buildup to harnessing the already magical moon into a giant beacon to summon Emrakul.
Devoid shit and actual Eldrazi spawn will only start showing up in EMN
>>45301448
I like Guay, but this one is definitely flat.
>>45301654
Emrakul is the sky goddess. Much as Kozilek hid within the earth, she could hide within the moon...
...and that's completely ignoring the fact that the Eldrazi normally exist within the Blind Eternities, not on planes. They were forced into corporeal form on Zendikar, but it's entirely possible that she's exerting influence on the world without entering it yet.
>>45301654
Mardu colored Nahiri confirmed?
>>45301733
Yeah that's definitely one of her flattest works. Like I stated earlier: Guay using flatness is a perfectly valid critique, especially in her early work. There's plenty of flatness to be found, but I'd still argue it doesn't detract from the overall quality of her work.
>>45300682
>At least it's 100% confirmed
You don't know how percentages or confirmation work.
>>45301544
Id assumed not but its quite immensely faithy as far as planes go x
Five-legged shrew HYPE
>>45301756
Could just as easily be Boros. We haven't had a R/W walker printed since Ajani Vengeant, and he's mono-W or W/G now so there's no recurring R/W character in the roster.
>>45301654
Maybe Devoid was developed by Umrakul and Kozilek on Zendikar whilst Emrakul was already gone.
I don't think that devoid necessarily needs to be in the set if it's Emrakul. I actually think it's preferable that it not be.
In any case, that card is from Shadows.
SOI is going to be "Oh, Sorin is looking for things and Nahiri is angry! What a clash of planeswalkers! But could it be, is there something creepy happening in the background...? Something with larger implications than this squabble..?"
Then Eldritch Moon will go full Eldrazi. If devoid is going to be in this block, it definitely won't be until Moon.
>>45301528
>DMG art
???
>>45300682
Reminder that original Innistrad's release was very close to Dark Souls 1's
Shadows' release almost coincides with Dark Souls 3's
So, what other monster mash cards could they add? Any flavorful cards you'd like to see much like Hundred Handed One?
I wouldn't mind getting some another thing from the deep.
>>45301805
Forgot pic of course
>>45301756
>>45301820
This. There's no reason to make her black, c'mon now.
>>45301828
>Ulamog*
>>45301654
I thought Nahiri was missing. Like, gone. Where was she when shit was going down? Why is she back now?
Ugin had an excuse for not being there. Sorin was there, where was Nahiri?
>>45301862
Wizards is all about muh diversity these days, though.
>>45301712
>start showing up...
There are only two sets in a block now. So that would be 1 set with just Innistrad and 1 set with Eldrazi.
All we know for sure right now is that there's some great evil present, the cursemute is down, and that the moon is fucked somehow- and Nahiri is the one fucking shit up. I do not believe that they would introduce Eldrazi only in the second set, as the draft environment would be stupid.
My guess is that it's either something new, or the true nature of the moon is being revealed- since, you know, Innistrad was a world long before Avacyn and Sorin. Moreover, there have been many clues that there was once more to Innistrad than Horror, such as Driads, Wurms and others, but all that got somehow stopped by the presence of Avacyn. Maybe Innistrad is returning to some type of primordial state, after Nahiri fucked everything up.
Maybe it's not an Eldritch abomination from outside, but from inside- just like demons were trapped in the Vault, who knows what's hidden in that moon- that's the most powerful magical object on Innistrad and a curiosity by other planes standards, after all.Maybe Wizards were setting this up when stressing how strange the moon was?
>>45301833
shadows probably started development shortly after bloodborne was released which makes sense
>>45301793
>literally 2 lovecraft themed sets
>wizards pretty much doing everything but outright screaming at you "EMRAKUL IS COMING"
Technology these days sure is something, letting legally blind people play cardgames and all.
>>45301654
Ulamog and Kozilek were on Zendikar for a few years, and had a decent amount of time to establish their broods.
It's entirely possible that Emrakul only just got to Zendikar.
>>45301899
>It's entirely possible that Emrakul only just got to Zendikar.
Fuck, I meant Innistrad.
>>45301857
They're both purple necromancers. That's not reusing art, even if they look similar.
Man can't these people in innistrad catch a break? First gothic horror, now cosmic horror.
The properly value there must be dirt cheap.
>>45301875
Ugin was off being dead and shit or something and Nahiri and Sorin had a falling out. There's a UR where Sorin starts feeling something like regret when thinking of Nahiri and when Ugin asks him where she is he just shrugs "Iunno"
Whatever happened she fucked off, is pissed at Sorin and is now just blowing up his castles because Sorin did something we don't know about.
>>45301885
Like how BFZ block only had one set with C symbol? Or how original Zendikar block only had one set with Eldrazi?
One set of cultists and dark summoning rituals followed by one set of the shit they summoned seems fine for a structure.
>>45301919
It's the exact same pose, and by the same artist.
>>45301926
So, we literally have no idea where Nahiri was? I assume she's mad for Zendikar getting fucked, but that doesn't make sense given that they managed to save it. Where was Sorin during BFZ block?
Hey, also, could you answer these?
>>45300465
>>45301654
I appreciate that you're thinking hard about it.
But I think we all have to dumb it down.
Basically there's a third titan missing. The player attention span can hardly handle skipping a block to explain where it went. Emrakul is on Innistrad.
You have to imagine that some player starts playing Standard during Innistrad and a tentacle monster comes out of nowhere - this can easily be explained by saying, "Look at the previous block, there was one missing. If you want more buy some of that product." However, if you skipped a block with Emrakul you'd have to say, "There was one missing TWO blocks ago, sorry, we no longer have that product in stock." This is especially true if you're buying all your shit from Walmart and Target - a sign that Wizards gives no fucks about their stores because stores actually would have that product.
There is inherent opportunity to disappoint a player if you delay Emrakul's whereabouts to the next block past Innistrad. Wizards can't be having that especially with young/stupid players.
And to me, why the fuck would Emrakul care about coming to Innistrad. Even if Nahiri blew up the moon and unleashed all the mana (*cough* Urza *cough*) to attract the thing Innistrad is obviously a low-mana plane still. The walls of Ravnica buildings are oozing mana and you're going to a plane consisting of backwater bumpkins who are using fucking pitchforks to fight back the monsters?
>>45301891
Perhaps a new tribal will be used for the eldritch abominations which will be discovered to be eldrazi in EMN.
The point is that Lovecraftian horror isn't Lovecraftian if you know what you're up against out of the gate. You have to start off with mystery and suspicion and gnawing fear. Once the bbeg is revealed the show is over for Lovecraft. They can't start SOI with "there are eldrazi and it's because of Emrakul and they are very spooky so just wait for her to show up in EMN." It's got to be paced.
They'll probably bring back the nightmare horror tribal, and it will be discovered in EMN that those are actually a new brood of special eldrazi made by Emrakul while Ula and Koz were developing devoid. Or something like that.
>>45301893
>>literally 2 lovecraft themed sets
>>wizards pretty much doing everything but outright screaming at you "EMRAKUL IS COMING"
>Technology these days sure is something, letting legally blind people play cardgames and all.
While I agree with you that it's pretty likely we're going to see Emrakul, "100% confirmation" means we've seen a leaked Emrakul card. Anything short of that is just speculation backed by circumstantial evidence.
>>45301921
For planeswalkers, sure. But they're the only game in town for normies.
While Emrakul presence is heavily implied, there's no evidence pointing to a devoid return. It wouldn't be smart to print the same non-evergreen mechanic in two consecutive blocks, even in this case. Also, think about this: Emrakul alters living matter, and Innistrad is the plane of flip cards. I'm calling for normal creatures flipping into colorless spawns. That would tie to the "colorless matter" theme of BFZ and to the slight artifact theme in SOI (Nahiri and cluestones), without Moon being a OGW 2.0 and still mantaining a strong Innistrad feeling.
>>45301970
>
And to me, why the fuck would Emrakul care about coming to Innistrad. Even if Nahiri blew up the moon and unleashed all the mana (*cough* Urza *cough*) to attract the thing Innistrad is obviously a low-mana plane still. The walls of Ravnica buildings are oozing mana and you're going to a plane consisting of backwater bumpkins who are using fucking pitchforks to fight back the monsters?
The Eldrazi weren't drawn to Zendikar naturally the first time, they had to be artificially lured by the Sorin/Nahiri/Ugin team. Sorin did most of the work on that part, but it's not unreasonable to speculate that Nahiri learned the trick while watching him; Ugin learned a fair bit about the Hedrons from her, so obviously the three of them shared their knowledge while working together.
>>45301970
I think an important factor is that there was no escape scene for Emrakul. They basically never mentioned her except that "she gone."
If they were going to hold off on bringing her back there would have been a big scary send off, with everyone knowing she was going to another plane (but not to WHICH plane). That way, each set would have free publicity and rumors flying around about "Oooh! did Emrakul come here? Did she go there? Where is she! ooooh!"
Just ignoring her for a few years without so much as a fart is bad marketing.
>>45301875
Someone can correct but I believe this is whats up
When the Eldrazi started waking up again, but before they got released.Ugin, and Sorin were supposed to show up to Zendikar.
Ugin was dead, and Sorin AWOL. So Nahiri decided to go hunt them down.
Apparently that pissed them off
>>45301756
>>45301820
>>45301862
She's probably Boros, the flavor text is eye-for-an-eye logic, which is consistent with Boros.
>>45302065
That's what I'm hoping for.
It low-key sucks that she's going to be the bad guy this set, but assuming she has more motivation than simple retribution I'll be happy to finally have a good RW walker to root for. That one UR kind of hinted that Sorin really did do something to Nahiri at some point that may have been worth vengeance, so I'm kind of actually hoping that's the case.
>>45300474
I love Lorwyn so much
>>45302062
pissed her off*
>>45301891
I'm with you on that one. The first stop on Innistrad explored how humanity was going to be it's own downfall and extinction, as the vast majority of monster tribes that preyed on or killed humans came from humans(weres, geists, ghouls/skaabs, and vampires) or that their actions would lead to their end(demon and devil worship).
Maybe it's otherworldly and strange as the kami or eldrazi, but still of their world. Especially if it warps and changes things as well as having power over the nasty things that lurk in the night. There was some downright weird stuff in Shadowmoor and it'll be interesting to see what kind of horror can come from Innistrad that humans -Didn't- make to begin with.
>>45301654
She's probably deliberately trying to lure Emmy to Innistrad, the same way Sorin originally lured the Eldrazi to Zendikar as part of their plan. It's more ironic that way.
As the guy who desperately wanted a return to Ravnica, I think I regret my decision.
I feel bad that everyone's favourite planes are getting 'returned to' and becoming Theros or Tarkir-tier as a result.
>>45302045
What if Nahiri killed Avacyn? Destroying an old-walker creation would fuck shit up pretty badly, also considering the only magic-heavy theme of the plane revolves around it.
I can't wait until there are no Eldrazi in either of these sets and you hyped assholes die of aneurysms
>>45300613
I personally love Dagon.
>>45300881
>Emrakul, or Emeria, as some say
>>45302159
Come on, Tarkir was a good plane and Theros was awesome, at least lore-wise
>>45302159
>Tarkir-tier
Hey, the first two sets were fantastic, and they've publicly admitted that DTK was dogshit.
>>45301969
>So, we literally have no idea where Nahiri was?
Nope
>I assume she's mad for Zendikar getting fucked, but that doesn't make sense given that they managed to save it.
She's mad at Ugin and Sorin for not appearing when the Eldrazi once broke free and she had to deal with it. What Sorin did that made her hella mad is still unknown
>Where was Sorin during BFZ block?
Looking for Nahiri because Ugin was like "Nigga what did you do?"
>>45302159
>>45302189
Yeah, pre-dragons Tarkir was really cool. It was still cool in Dragons, just... less so. But anyway, they implied that some of the clans might overthrow the dragons again.
>>45302127
Maybe the nature of "evil" in Innistrad is that it takes makes human fears manifest, only stronger? As you said, all bad things of original Innistrad were of human origin, representing the mistrust between the Planes people.
Then a literal alien appeared and started blowing shit up, while talking about retribution for some other, unknown world that was besieged by horrors undescript. Assuming that Innistrads "evil" adapts to fears, and that the people suddenly start fearing other words and unknown powers, well...
>>45302166
I'll be happy not to see any tentacles in the next block or the one after that or the one after that. Zendikar was left to lie for a long while, so we can let Emrakul lurk out in the multiverse eating what she wants for a bit. Everyone wants their dreams to come true so badly and I'll be fine if the narrative shifts away from some world eaters to just not letting everyone get killed by something else we don't know about yet.
Same as all the whining about wanting to go back to Tarkir and go back to the "Biff Tannen wins with the almanac" future that was the Khans timeline. Face it, your tentacled Waifu ain't eating Innistrad, folks.
>>45302211
Well, they left completely open the "Great Khan" Sarkhan plotline. Yasova litterally told us that according to some Temur profecy a some guy was destinated to unite all the clans. I'd be totally down for a Return to Tarkir with Sarkhan realizing what he did and fucking some draconic shit up alongside his autistic gf
>>45302244
It just doesn't make sense story wise to build up these big baddies and immediately kill them off one after another
>>45301844
This, its not ermakul, its a five-legged shrew.
>>45302189
Theros was shit, but Takir was rad.
>>45302225
So... Theros or Kamigawa then. The way the gods came about. Faith or devotion either sharing power or converting to some greater thing that becomes real. Or how kami worship gave certain kami power or form or purpose. Let's hope this isn't Ashiok's next thing, because if it is then this might be pretty nasty. Making abstract fears into tangible horrors worse than what humans just turn into.
>>45300382
>he
>>45301891
>it is urza's bathtub
>>45302327
>implying she is right either
You people do know the word "eldritch" doesn't strictly mean it's lovecraft/deep ones related right
>>45301701
Yeah, I think its Nahiri too. But that's the point, if we were getting Eldrazi in SoI it'd be unconceivable for a card named 'Structural Distortion' that exiles not to be an Eldrazi card with Devoid.
>>45301712
I can see something along the lones happening.
>>45301752
I don't think it's hiding. WotC remarked Innistrad Silver Moon's sealing properties, that's a checkov's gun if I've ever seen one tbqh.
The Blind Eternities theory I see far more likely.
>>45301756
R/W I'd guess. Black doesn't really have an equipment theme.
>>45301828
>Maybe Devoid was developed by Umrakul and Kozilek on Zendikar whilst Emrakul was already gone.
I really don't think that's the case.
>>45301899
Yeah, that's a possibility. Still, we'd get Eldrazi cards all the same. A set with Emmi and none of its brood is unconceivable.
>>45301970
But there's a factor you should take into account, the attention span of platers is as short as it is fickle. Two consecutive blocks of Eldrazi would easily tire the playerbase and would cause a drop in sales. It'd be similar to what happened with Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, change of setting, continuous story. That didn't work once, which makes it that more unlikely for Wizards to attempt it again.
On the other hand they could delay the Emmi block a couple of years, by then the people will have forgotten and they'll be able to garner massive hype like they did with Scars or BfZ itself.
>>45302133
I can't see Nahiri doing that. She put so much work in creating a fuckton of herons just to keep the Eldrazi in Zendikar at all costs. It seems unlikely she'd let another plane be destroyed just for revenge.
Far more likely is that she'd lure it there to minimize damage to another plane richer in Mana. Sorin's plane is a good candidate seeing how he was part of the three that locked up the Eldrazi. When he agreed to participate he should be willing to sacrifice his plane like Nahiri did.
>>45302244
>Same as all the whining about wanting to go back to Tarkir and go back to the "Biff Tannen wins with the almanac" future that was the Khans timeline
Dragons of Tarkir is the almanac timeline. And you'll note that the almanac timeline is not where the movie ends, but the halfway point.
>>45300465
>>45300818
>>45301969
>spoonfeed time
Jace's origins:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/jaces-origin-absent-minds-2015-06-24
Chandra origins:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/chandras-origin-fire-logic-2015-06-10
>>45302284
They've been doing that for years. The names and faces change, but troubles keep on coming. There is always something next. Certain stuff hangs on, but not every villainous force is Phyrexia or Nicol Bolas. Sometimes it's just something that can be put down or an event that could be catastrophic but averted. There wasn't necessarily a single overarching villain in Time Spiral to an extent, just the 'End of the Multiverse' if someone didn't do something about it. Some villains get toppled and others win. And some others get a Xanatos gambit or chased off.
>>45302065
I'm hoping her redness isn't just because "AAARRGHHH, I MAD" and more because Sorin vamped her up and she's tapping into the redness of innistradi vamps
>>45302159
Ravnica was novel and unique for its time, returning without a real good reason (like rehashing the guilds only to play Maze Runner in the last set) really sours the perception of the plane.
Battle for Zendikar had good premise, but it came a little late and fucked things up by killing off the titans in an anti-climactic way. SOI unfortunately looks to be a rehash like Ravnica but with a pinch of lovecraft.
Mirrodin and Time Spiral are the only good return blocks we've had so far in my opinion, both mechanically and the self-contained planar story (Quest for Karn is of course terrible though)
>>45302348
>Emeria was an angel
>99.9% of angels in MTG are female
>Emeria even has female angel statues of her
>Emakrul is Emeria
It checks out, dawg.
>>45302397
As far as I'm concerned, that world was coined by Lovecraft, while the name of the first set is a reference to one of his most popular stories.
>>45302448
And we still have reason to revisit Mirrodin/New Phyrexia to check out what's up with Karn and the Phyrexians.
>>45302397
It doesn't matter, Wizards branding department knows that most people associate that term with Lovecraft, they
chose that term for a very specific reason.
>>45302448
I agree. Ravnica was a fantastic setting that didn't need outside planar influence to be good, and the entire maze schtick was stupid. Also why the fuck Aurelia sitting on Feather's throne?
>>45302454
I wanna go on a date with Emrakul, we would go to the movies and then eat ice cream
That's what normalfags do right?
>>45300613
You have beautiful taste, kind sir. I would also add Dagon.
>>45302458
*word, not world
>>45302497
If those normalfags are in 1956, sure.A drive-in movie plus ice cream sounds like a 14/10 date, though. Those creepy-ass nuclear family fucktards knew what was up.
>>45302406
>Yeah, I think its Nahiri too. But that's the point, if we were getting Eldrazi in SoI it'd be unconceivable for a card named 'Structural Distortion' that exiles not to be an Eldrazi card with Devoid.
Keep in mind that Nahiri is a user of white mana first and foremost. White exiles shit all the god damn time. This is could just be a sort of Boros hybrid of white removal in a red spell to allow land targeting.
>>45302472
Or they just wanted to set a tone, with no hidden meaning at all.
Hooray for speculation.
>>45300694
FUCK ARGYLE, FUCK THAT EYE BLEEDING CGI SHIT HE DOES, IT'S FUCKING AWFUL
>>45302348
"She" is right. No, Emrakul doesn't have a gender, but "she" is the official nomenclature.
>>45302532
Also to expand, she's a stoneforger. They just distort and warp and shape the materials for the weapons they create. Structural Distortion as a name makes sense. She's taking the foundation and making it into a pretty fuck you sculpture for Sorin to check out when he comes back.
I think Devoid might make a return to the set, I also think it might not. Emakrul doesn't need to have cards associated with devoid to appear in the block though if they just stick to straight up colorless eldrazi shit if it is a part of this block.
>>45302458
>As far as I'm concerned, that word was coined by Lovecraft
It wasn't though, and you're wrong, and nobody gives a shit what you think.
>>45301304
>Marit
yes please
>>45302454
>implying Emeria isn't a false deity created from misinformation passed down from generation to generation
>implying because a bunch of misinformed denizens call a mountain with tentacles she they are right.
Even Mark is on recorded for saying they really aren't hes or shes.
>>45302675
They don't have names, either. How dare you call them Emrakul, Kozilek and Ulamog?
>>45300694
RKF FOR LIFE
EVERYONE ELSE A SHIT
>>45300805
>the archive is back up
>almost all the articles about Lorwyn and OG Mirrodin are gone
Why Wizards, why
>>45302710
You're being fucking retarded.
Everything from towns to geysers have names, that doesn't mean they have genders.
>>45302419
I was hoping for a tldr so I'd get to avoid reading UR's terrible writing, but I read Jace's story.
It wasn't as bad as I expected. Interesting, if a bit silly and campy. Why does everyone say UR's writing is bad? Do I just not have any taste?
>>45300294
i hope she fucks jace again
>>45302520
I've done drive in movie as a date. It was a lot of fun, even if we waited to canoodle once we got home.
>>45302432
She's Red because she literally spent THOUSANDS OF YEARS SLEEPING INSIDE OF STONE ON ZENDIKAR. It's not far-fetched that the red mana became a part of her during that time, especially on Zendikar. Being a Lithomancer, she was already connected to rocks and stone anyway.
Even in her UR, she was pretty fucking red, so seeing a WR Nahiri isn't just unsurprising, it's expected.
>>45302925
A lot of it is pretty bland. Recent events with the Ulamog and Kozilek thing was just ignoring a whole lot of previously established stuff on them and going "FUCK IT, CHANDRA KILLS THEM WITH A BIG FIREBALL WHOA FUCKING RAD"
Also retconning the shit out of Nissa to make her a more superhero like character when she was more interesting as a Elf Nazi
Some are still good though. The recent UR about Meren of Clan Nel Toth was dope as fuck.
>>45302925
>I was hoping for a tldr
Do you also want a massage also, your majesty?
Those are ok-ish. 80% of the URs are shit the rest are good or ok.
>mfw I'm going to force curse decks in drafts once again
>>45302966
God I fucking the whole "We want Magic to be a superhero comic" thing Wizards has going.
It's so fucking lame.
>>45303025
They gotta make a buck out of the avengers and justice leage.
The worst part is that kids will love that crap, who cares if most of the players base is 20-25yo.
>>45302327
>HAS
>>45302966
The passage from three set a block to two set a block really fucked up battle for zendikar, the first set was full of shit cards and I'm pretty sure it's what also made them rush the ending.
>>45300178
Even though all this "eldritch" thing, i still think its not about Emrakul.
I really hope so too.
Now, the real question is:
Return to Alara when?
I want more fucking support cards for my Shards.
>>45303150
Alara is in the same group with Kamigawa and Lorwyn.
>>45303108
Actually, the change from three sets a block to two sets a block is why Emrakul wasn't in BFZ block. They didn't squish three sets into two, they actually cut out the third set.
>>45301360
Basically, plebs like garbage and Wizards caters to them because they have no creative integrity and are money-hungry soulless corporate kikes
And then Amerilard redditors say something retarded like "b-but companies exist to make money!" like the retards who flunked out of economics 101 for not understanding how enormously retarded that statement is, and Wizards is saved by shills yet again
>>45302932
But he doesn't have any friends on Innistrad. Who is she supposed to kill?
>>45302966
The Titans getting fireblasted did seem weird, but is it actually breaking some canon? I know Near Death Experience is depicting Gideon after he punched some of Emmy's brood, surely that means fire would work too.
I remember everyone HATING old Nissa. I had assumed her Nazi Nissa portrayal in fandom was people exaggerating her racism against vampires. Is new Nissa really all that different? I know she hugged some boggarts or something, which was weird, but was she actually racist against anything other than vampires?
>>45302972
I'll be reading more of them for sure. The last one I read was about the Dragon-Style Twins and completely irrelevant to anything ever.
>>45303025
That's been true for a while. Honestly, all of Weatherlight feels very nineties dystopian comic book to me.
>>45303207
>corporate integrity
What are you using this to mean? I'm unaware of any unethical actions on Wizards' part.
A company's first and foremost responsibility is to its shareholders. If you believe anything else, you're delusional.
A company's second responsibility is to its customers. If the majority of customers like the product, even if they are plebs, then the company is fulfilling that responsibility.
So, if the customers like the product and it's making money for the shareholders, all is well. The fact that you don't like the product is regrettable, but I don't follow the line of reasoning that you're trying to argue.
>>45302932
I just read Jace's backstory, how does that loser snag some demon etched snatch?
>>45303332
He had something Lili wanted
>>45303353
his virginity
>>45300818
The retconned basically anything even remotely non-80s comic books about her.
The woman who would only save the elves who were worthy of being saved with beauty and eyeblight kill-counts now rescues boggarts from the meanie elves who want to hurt them for no reason at all the horrible bigots :(
>>45303207
This seems entirely unrelated to his point. Whether or not the online popularity polls show Lorwyn as doing well--which isn't even true, as the latest poll had it knocked out in the second round--the fact of the matter is that the people taking the online polls do not necessarily represent a realistic sample of the playerbase as a whole.
This isn't about whether or not companies "exist to make money." It's about whether the collective opinions of that portion of the playerbase that follows Maro on Twitter accurately reflect the opinion of the average Magic player. And, by all accounts, they do not.
>>45300178
So Oath of Liliana incoming? Sorin notbeing the token black Gatewatcher is seemingly becoming more likely if Nahiri's involved
>"I ain't got time to join up in yo team, Jace. I got a crazy ass lithomancer fucking up my homeplane to deal with right now!"
>>45300575
>Judaism (as is Christianity) are religions and traditions foreign to Europe. They are Middle Eastern
That's a fucking retarded statement. European culture is intertwined with the Abrahamic religions and you cannot possibly have a discussion of European culture where they are somehow "foreign"
It's like saying everyone is foreign to Europe because primordial ooze. Yes at one point it was foreign, but it's fucking stupid to say that it's not an integral part and originator of European culture in basically any part of European history that matters
>>45303332
Bolas wanted to regain the Infinite Consortium, which Tezzeret had stolen away from him. Jace had recently been recruited to said organization.
So Bolas offered to help Liliana get out of her demonic pacts if she seduced Jace and used him to return control of the Consortium to Bolas. As a part of this, she ended up killing every single one of his friends on Ravnica, with the sole exception of Emarra, with the intent of framing Tezzeret so Jace would go after him.
She fucked him over six ways from Sunday and then, when he dissolved the Consortium instead of letting her present it to Bolas, she fucked right off.
>>45303421
Liliana has zero reason to join the Gatewatch. Jace already asked her to help with the Eldrazi when she came to him to try and make him help her with the Chain Veil, and she told him to go fuck himself if he wasn't going to do what she wanted.
>>45303316
Rabbi, what do you think of dredge?
>>45303207
>corporate kikes
This is how you plan to convince us of the depth of your critical thinking skills?
>>45301988
>I don't know what hyperbole is
>>45303434
>Ancient Rome isn't a part of history that "Matters"
Get the fuck outta here with your sandkike shilling.
Greek philosophy is far more fundamental to Western culture and ideals than anything brought in by Abrahamic religion, European society prospered IN SPITE of the caustic influence of Middle Eastern Bronze-age bunga bunga shit, not because of it. There's a reason that the Catholic Church had to steal 90% of their ideas from Aristotle.
>>45303481
>oh no, he pointed out that I don't have an actual argument aside from meaningless buzzwords!
>better call him a Jew!
>>45303353
>>45303387
>>45303447
Ah. Slut.
Does she actually like him? Emmara didn't exist when Liliana killing Ravnicans was written, right?
>Eldritch MOON
>Tamiyo will be absent from the set because "WHO IS THAT I DONT REMEMBER LOL" - Wizards
>>45303393
To be fair, original Nissa was a pretty terrible character
At the same time though, they could've easily remedied it by just giving her some character development rather than retconning it entirely
They also retconned Gideon to be Mediterranean (because Theros) and a lot younger, everyone else is essentially the same
>>45303546
Well, Gideon was always kind of brown, right? I thought he was Indian.
Nissa's original characterization was all in the novel, right? Not in UR, so I can't find it online?
>>45303421
>"I solemnly swear to not to ever be part of your gay ass Christian youth group"
