Do you enjoy this new meta now that Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom are banned? Have you played it in a competitive environment yet?
>>45050160
Modern is dead.
Magic is dead
>>45050160
I quit modern.
I'm selling my modern collection and getting into legacy, because the best thing that could happen to that format was wizards ignoring it. And the worst thing to happen to modern was wizards caring about it
>>45050143
Gifts is pretty nice too for that matter. Iona is probably the weakest choice for double Entomb these days, we're in the age of perfect (albeit painful) mana. So decks routinely run two or more colors and can play around Iona.
>>45050169
Depends. Do you want to be slow, or get blown out by Pyroclasm?
>>45050269
The LEAST Wizards could do if they wanna pretend they care about Modern is try to keep the costs down.
The fact that Wizards want to exercise stiffing control over the format AND completely refuse to support it with reprints is baffling, it seriously looks like they're trying to kill it on purpose.
>>45050320
But they clearly don't care about Modern.
Standard and casual draft is where the money is at.
>>45050320
It's a higher-powered format that's growing at a time when Standard is especially shit. Either Wizards controls the format more tightly and starts "rotating" it with bans, or they kill it to protect Standard.
>>45050359
This. They don't even test for modernthey claim as so that they can start making more treasure cruises so that they can Konami it up and make even more money
>>45050359
>But they clearly don't care about Modern.
My point is that, instead of just leaving well enough alone they're taking moves to deliberately HARM the format. They keep talking all that good shit about how they want the format to be "healthy" while doing absolutely fuck all to KEEP it healthy.
They don't just "not care" about it. They're doing everything they can to keep people out of it because they want it to die.
>>45050160
Twin ban boggles my mind. Twin has had more of the meta in a less diverse meta before but its been left alone. It is the poster child for fair combo and interaction. It literally makes no sense as a healthy ban.
I'm planning on getting faeries as my first modern deck but I can't afford just buying it all at the same time. I've been thinking of something like pic related to start with and get bitterblossoms, thoughtseizes and cryptic all later. I'm not expecting to win much and our LGS is pretty casual but is it worth bothering or should I just buy whole deck later?
>>45050386
but Treasure Cruise was a common
>>45050414
I think they're just really stupid honestly
WotC killing something accidentally by their idiocy seems the most realistic scenario what with their current employees being what they are
Hanlon's Razor and whatnot
>>45050414
Welp, I may consider going back to Standard once Rhino rotates, but otherwise theres always Legacy, unless Wizards decided to kill that too.
>>45050562
The 4 Tarns and 4 Snapcasters weren't though.
>Zada, Hedron Grinder
>Krenko, Goblin Gangbanger
>Goblin Grenade
Can it be done? Can I nuke my opponent with tons of goblins and a fucking CMC 1 instant?
>>45050641
Perhaps you should learn to read cards first.
>>45050459
Splinter Twin was banned because combo is inherently unhealthy, anon! Turning creatures sideways is healthy, fair, and balanced!
Now go buy more Oath and Battle packs so you can finish building that sweet new Eldrazi deck that everyone's talking about, I hear it's quite good and cheap, well below the high barrier of entry you should expect for a non-rotating fomat! But it's a good, fair deck, so buy now before the prices spike!
>control doesn't exist
>all combos are weak as fuck
At least I can turn some creatures sideways...thanks wizards
>>45050660
Maybe you should learn to not be a shitposter.
>>45050683
Don't forget, Eldrazi is balanced and fair.
I usually only play standard and legacy because aid hate modern, but my friends and me are going to a tournament relatively soon. Is it safe to use a control deck? Like an esper control deck with a gifts package? Rely on planeswalkers?
>>45049827
Cross thread post.
You describe my situation to a T. Here are my thoughts on the matter: the new eldrazi deck is cute but doesn't have what it takes to be anywhere near as good as tron. If your okay with that then go for it. Personally, I don't like what I see in the deck. Further more, if you are concerned about an impending ban, I would like to point out that the prime target is the Eye of Ugin.
In the meantime, I just foiled out Ancient Stirrings and pimped Pyroclasm. I give 0 fucks and so can you.
>>45050758
>control deck
Control literally doesn't exist in modern. Play some sort of aggro deck with bolts in it
>>45050728
With Twin you turned infinity creatures sideways. I don't see why people are so up in arms about the ban when it was really Twin's fault that this format became Creatures: the Tappening.
>>45050779
Twin was the deck preventing this from happening. GBx is about as fair as it gets, and those fair decks preyed on Twin. Twin was like the Force of Will of Modern; holding back unfair decks while losing to fair decks. Now it's just people ignoring their opponents and seeing who can goldfish better. The instant you consider blocking, you lose.
>2 bans
>STILL no unbans
What is WotC actually thinking? Do they legitimately think sword of the meek, or ancestral vision, sfm or even fucking mind sculptor would warp the format that much?
>>45050758
You'll be fine.
You'll win a few games and die to aggro.
>>45049347 #
I was on board until the end where he says he would like to see more bans.
Griselbrand, Tron, affinity and lantern.
Maybe he should just fuck off to standard then.
He's just talking out his ass at this point.
>we need more answers in modern
>let's nerf decks that are good
Yea, let's just have only mediocre decks in the format
>>45050599
People bitching about siege rhino are honestly worse than anyone bitching about modern
>>45050852
No. They just wanted to make sure Tron and Eldrazi would warp the Pro Tour so they could hype BFZ+OGW up better. They literally said the ban is for the Pro Tour and these two decks are the only legitimate candidates for BFZ+OGW posterboys.
>>45050683
But anon, Splinter Twin requires you to turn your creature sideways to activate it's ability. And then turn all those infinite amount of creatures sideways to kill your opponent!
>>45050938
But its literally the only reason why Standard is 1/3rd Abzan right now.
>>45051000
>A format with a shallow card pool has a less diverse metagame than a format with a card pool spanning 10+ years
Call the fucking presses
>>45050728
>2016
>not playing a deck that flexibly swings back and forth between the beatdown and control roles
>still playing piles that commit fully to always being one or the other no matter what
>not playing MYTHREATSAREALSOANSWERS.dec
That said, Faeries needs to get its shit together and Boros needs to come back from its 4+ year hiatus.
>>45050547
I would add black for things like Tasigur, removal, hand disruption, and creeping tar pit.
>>45051017
You'd actually expect the opposite
>>45050547
My best advice is to bite the bullet and grab Polluted Deltas right now.
You're going to want them, and they're not going to get any cheaper.
Trust me on this, you want the Deltas. The other UB lands won't hurt as much as ponying up for Deltas if you wait too long.
>>45051047
>Less cards = more viable decks
Something doesn't add up
![a3CG49b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z2LPcxB.jpg "a3CG49b[1].jpg")
>>45051017
But anon Rhino is the cancer killing Standard.
>>45051021
>Boros needs to come back from its 4+ year hiatus.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gobbogeddon/
meme it into reality with me
>>45051116
This is awful. I'm sorry stupid anons gave you hope.
>>45051116
Meme magic killed Bowie.
Do you want Kanye to die too or what?
>>45051099
How
That feel when no sol lands in Modern
>>45051175
How are you this fucking stupid?
>>45051167
>afraid of the spicy hot meme
see you at GP Detroit, fukboi
>>45051116
>RWfuckyourlands.dec
Well it's a meme deck alright.
But it really should be a Sligh pile instead.
>>45051175
You IDIOT! Tell me you didn't know THIS IS MAGIC!
>>45051188
Explain the picture to me as I don't play standard
>>45051182
I know man. Modern mud stax when?
>>45051231
It's called photoshop. Fucking mouthbreathers
>>45051099
>tapping to the left
fucking huehues
>>45051021
Return to Lorwyn with new good faeries is my wet dream.
Yes I know they will never ever return to Lorwyn, but a man can dream.
>>45051297
If that were to happen they would end up ruining faries like they did allies.
>>45051021
I played a deck that contained a faerie other than v clique last night. I don't even think the deck I was playing was any good but I'm positive that if I was even a halfway competent player I could've 4-0d instead of 2-1d.
>>45051352
>Slivers are now humanoid and only affect slivers you control
>>45051447
We got diffusion sliver from them, they're the greatest thing that's ever happened to magic
I'm thinking of getting into modern, I usually play commander, should I?
I was wanting to play dredge/reanimate type deck, should I play dredgevine or craterhoof dredge?
>>45051352
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor pretty much ruined faeries on its own when it came to the black side of the tribe excluding Bitterblossom.
The worst part of a return to Lorwynmoor is that Tribal was retired after Rise of the Eldrazi, which means the plane loses out on a rather iconic design quirk.
>>45051447
Neoslivers at least retain the "static abilities: the creature type" design even if it was casualized to only care about your own Slivers. 2nd generation Allies are an uncoordinated mess compared to the first wave.
>>45051510
Slivers lost the fact that they're supposed to be a giant hivemind. Like, that's the entire reason they were printed in the first place. The only difference between slivers and allies is one has static abilities, the other has ETBs.
>>45051510
There were some good black faeries, oona's blackguard comes to mind
>>45051047
No you wouldn't. Expecting old cards to be overpowered isn't a given, you tosser.
>>45051081
>they're not going to get any cheaper
Thank you based kikelords of the coast for not reprinting my cards
>>45051182
Wizards hates prison strategies, so they refuse to make it viable in the newer formats
>>45051530
Sliver lost a flavor note. They still universally possessed static abilities.
The BFZ-OGW allies are either creatures that have Ally tacked on for no reason and at best do a thing that's fringe relevant to the Ally strategy of going wide, or they're like Stonework Puma and exist only to trigger Rally effects or be tapped for Cohort abilities.
We've gone from Hada Freeblade in Worldwake to Expedition Envoy in BFZ. Elite Vanguard Ally is not what should be happening to the tribe, there should have been a second Freeblade put to print.
>>45051474
god damn dem hips
my dick is diamonds
>>45051634
>cards get reprinted in Khans
>fuccgoi didn't buy them at dirt cheap prices
>blames the jew overlords who don't give a fuck about the secondary market
Step your jewjitsu up, always buy when in print.
>>45051658
>you will never be captured by slivers and have your semen extracted by diffusion slivers
>>45050250
It died with Mirage anon.
Anyone (even semi)competent wanna help me test Lantern Control on cuckatrice?
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>>45051690
>mfw I wasn't being sarcastic
>mfw I have several playsets of all the enemy fetches and they're appreciating in value like crazy
I'll offload them soon though, I expect a reprintwhere I'll buy again when its value "tanks" for a few weeks before bouncing back again
>>45051715
Mirage had hands down the best art of any set
>>45051742
I don't know anyone who would willingly play against Lantern Control.
>>45050320
>The LEAST Wizards could do if they wanna pretend they care about Modern is try to keep the costs down.
You reap what you sow
>>45051749
But seriously, people need to learn that you always buy what's in print.
In print cards are opened like crazy thanks to the draft scene, money cards get flipped back for credit towards more drafts and you the buyer get to reap the benefits of excess supply.
>>45051789
If only they printed cards I have a shit about
>>45051815
>tfw ready to buy a full set of RW manland back when no one knew what the RW manland would be
>tfw Needle Spires was leaked and it was the most garbage manland I have ever had the misfortune of seeing
Rosewater does it again!
>>45051766
Hence my problem.
>>45051849
>get excited for the BG land as it's my favorite color combination
>it's revealed to be a glorified typhoid rat
>then think surely the UR one will be great. Wizards will surely appease the twin players
>it's a weird shit land that dies to bolt if you ever activate it
>twin gets banned anyway lmao
>>45051952
You can't complain, you didn't get Needle Spires.
WHY WOULD RW, ONE OF THE MOST HYPER AGGRESSIVE COLOR COMBINATIONS IN THE GAME, WANT A 2/1 DOUBLE STRIKER FOR 2RW.
IT'S LIKE GHITU ENCAMPMENT'S RETARDED OBESE COUSIN. HE HITS FOR UP TO 4, SURE, BUT ONLY IF YOU WERE DUMB ENOUGH TO SIT UNDER HIS PUDGY LARD ASS. FUCKER CRIES IF YOU SO MUCH AS POKE HIM.
>>45051952
The UR manland was actually pretty good in Twin, from what my friends said while testing.
>>45051849
The most offensive part about Needle Spires is how predictable and boring it is.
>>45052005
>The UR manland was actually pretty good in Twin
;^)
>>45051952
>it's a weird shit land that dies to bolt if you ever activate it
No. It doesn't. You just switch it back.
You don't get to whine about how bad cards are when you can't even comprehend them
>>45052005
I think you mean
>"could of been good in twin."
>>45052071
I love how bad /tg/ is at magic
>>45052075
Could have *
>>45052071
you are very stupid
>>45052071
>switch it to a 4/1
>bolt it in response
>you trigger flip the thing a bunch to make it a 1/4 again
>on the stack it'll eventually go back to being a 4/1 and die with 3 damage on the stack
You can't be this stupid
>>45052071
>You just switch it back.
And after the bolt resolves on a 1/4 Fumarole, the very first activation of the P/T flip that started this whole mess resolves, giving you a 4/1 with 3 damage on it.
Guess what happens next.
>>45052001
Joke's on you, it essentially costs 3RW to activate because you aren't tapping that land for mana this turn.
>>45052156
THAT IMPLIES YOU'RE ATTACKING WITH SUCH HOT GARBAGE.
It never fails to amuse me how many people are crying over the twin ban. MUH FAIR COMBO DECK! WHAT EVER WILL I DO.
Heres a thought: kiki-jiki still exists. Why not, I dunno, DO THAT.
This is not a huge surprise people. They banned the two most repressive decks in the format to make them a bit worse. The combos still exist, they are just slower and more fair than before. Theres an aggro meta right now because no one knows what to expect, and its smart to play a fast, proactive deck to prey on brews.
TLDR: calm the fuck down people. This is not a big deal, and when the dust settles I suspect you will see a better meta as all the decks that were being pushed down by twin and bloom have a chance to fight over the top spot again.
>>45052156
>3RW
If you want to be that guy, at least say "2RW{R/W}"
>>45052202
>five mana combo piece that dies to lightning bolt
>twin still playable
Now its too slow for tron and aggro decks and gives other combo decks more time to assemble their combos before you can combo off. Also makes ad nauseam a nearly unwinnable matchup because it's now impossible to race them even on the play.
>>45052202
Twin was the only viable control deck in the format. The ban gimps it to the point that it's basically unplayable.
>>45052202
To be fair, the kiki-jiki combo is much weaker that splinter twin. Because he is a 2/2 creature there is a lot more removal that outright destroy's him, where as the combo with twin required you to do four damage or outright kill the exarch.
>>45052259
Aggressively Swan Song the Ad Naus.
>>45052302
Twin with the combo boarded out wasn't really so much a control deck as it was a weird bloated tempo deck taking up the control -role- if only because it was too bloated to go fast and aggressive like other tempo decks could.
That looks like a fun one. Hardcast Emrakul that got tutored up? Yes, please.
Could also use some Mutavaults for additional trigger activators.
>>45052259
Its only 1 turn slower. And twin only won as fast as possible against decks that didnt have creature removal anyways. Calling it too slow for tron is a lot of hot nonsense, you either had 2-3 turns to play with or you lost to karn either way.
>>45052302
Twin was never a control deck.
>>45052310
Thats fair, but that was also the intent. There are a ton of decks that would have been fun and interesting, but they had no good ways to stop turn 3 exarch, tap your land, turn 4 twin, reliably. Not to mention the decks that could do that turn 2 and 3 off of a mana dork.
>>45052310
Not to mention that it just so happened that the decks best equipped to kill Deceiver Exarch were GBx decks, who are now being pushed out of the format by aggro.
>>45051477
if you want to play dredge, it's a far better deck in legacy. i've never played dredgevine (or heard of craterhoof dredge), but i've played against and it's decent, seems pretty fun
>>45052421
Just use changelings and eldrazi spawn, with a lot of eldrazi that have good cast abilities.
THE ONLY QUESTION YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELF ABOUT MODERN NOW
IS HOW FAST CAN YOU RELIABLY KILL YOUR OPPONENT
>>45052442
Twin was a deck that ran a bunch of reactive spells to slow down the other player, then once they have enough resources to defend it they go for the kill. Seems like a control deck to me.
Do you guys actively buy expeditions or know guys at your LGS that buy, or successfully sell them if they are pulled?
>>45052567
Pretty much as close to control was viable in modern outsideof RUGx Scapeshift.
>Friends tell me a deck is awful
>They say it dies to aggro
>They say it's vulnerable to blue
>They say control will shut it down
>They say that even big green beasts will wreck it
>One month later it's currently 38-8 w/l
i fucking love children of korlis
>>45052690
Yeah scapeshift is the other control deck, it just doesn't seem as good
>>45052766
It was tier 2 when BTL got printed. It's a lot more skill intensive than Twin, though, since your game goes longer. It also lost to Twin.
>>45052106
No.
>4/1
>bolt
>flip
>flip resolves
>1/4
>bolt resolves
>1/1
>combat phase ends
>1/4
>>45052394
They would just use pact of negation in response and in order to do that, you would have to wait until turn 6 to combo, which gives ad nauseam more than enough time to assemble the combo and protection for it.
>>45052442
It was hard to combo against ad nauseam before, but it was possible if you were on the play and they didn't have a god hand. Now its impossible because they will almost always have the combo by the time you can combo, meaning you would just lose on the spot if you try to combo. As for tron, it gives them four turns to find tron as opposed to three, which is huge, remanding karn on turn 4 means you can't combo on turn 5, and that means they will have access to ulamog.
>>45052871
You're the reason wizards won't print good cards.
Please ignore trolls like >>45052871
Any further replies are samefags.
>>45052871
The Bolt is cast in response to the first activation.
>>45052567
Control is about accumulating resources until you have such an advantage that your opponent can't win.
Twin was a tempo/combo deck.
>>45052760
Whatever
>>45053663
>>45053366
No, control is about stalling an opponent until you can build a threat they cannot deal with. Twin was a hybrid deck, a combo deck with control pieces.
>>45050743
"Perhaps you should learn to read cards first" was actually the polite way of saying "No. Your dumbshit 'combo' doesn't work because you're functionally illiterate."
Goblin Grenade targets a creature or player and does 5 damage to that target. The sacrificing a goblin (ie: Zada) is a cost and therefore doesn't trigger the radiate ability.
>>45053366
It's literally that same fucking moron that doesn't know anything about deck building, wtf.
There is tons of control builds in modern. Lantern being one. Grixis control being one with asshuge amount of removal and recursion to it. Learn to deckbuild asshat.
>>45053845
>There is tons of control builds in modern
60 Swamps is a Modern legal deck too.
>>45052001
Would it be better to be a 3/1 rw manland?
Why U/W control doesn't get much love? Every single pairing except Tron and Eldrazi is 50/50 o favorable.
>>45052891
They'll only draw more Pacts off of Ad Naus, better to attack it as it attempts to resolve as opposed to when it has its whole deck in hand.
>>45053845
Lantern is a very soft and unorthodox control
Grixis is really really stretching the definition of control. It's just a midrange deck with recursion.
There is no legit control decks in modern. Fuck off
>>45054012
>Every single pairing except Tron and Eldrazi is 50/50 o favorable.
Except that's wrong
>>45053869
Lantern wins a tournament, grixis gets on top8, compares to a 60swamp deck.
Yeah, you are an utter and complete asshat.
Hatebear is seemingly gaining metaplace?
>>45053750
That's control as a role, you're making the mistake of thinking that acting out such a role makes a deck a control deck.
Can someone please explain the difference between modern, standard, legacy etc? Why are there all the different types?
>>45054213
Standard is for faggots who play control.
Modern is for faggots who play aggro.
Legacy is for faggots who play memerange and tempo.
Vintage is for faggots who play with double sleeved Benjamin Franklins.
>>45054193
>lantern wins a tournament
Oh you mean
Never?
>>45054239
> Implying vintage cards only cost a benjamin
>>45054249
What makes you think Lantern never won a tournament?
>>45054289
It hasn't
At least no notable ones
>>45054249
>you mean never?
IT LITERALLY BEAT TWIN AT GP OKLAHOMA CITY ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED.
>>45054193
To be honest, counterspell decks seem pretty good positioned now. And Hatebear decks tend to give these kind of decks a hard time.
>>45054270
Now multiply that by (60+15).
Then add the cost of double-sleeving those Benjis.
>>45054239
>500 dollars
>1500 dollars
>2500 dollars
>>45054324
So you don't think a grand prix is notable?
>>45054330
>counterspell decks are well positioned
Yeah nothing says a good environment for counterspell control then 90% aggro :^)
>>45054372
If Ancestral Visions were legal, all you have to do is throw killspells until you hit turn 5 at which point you drop your 5th land and cast Consume the Meek.
>>45052088
>>45052106
>>45052112
to be fair to the mouth breather you can trick bind it turning back to the 4/1
>>45052992
>>45052993
So can you not reactivate it in response to bolt to change it back to 1/4 before bolt resolves?
>>45054239
haha that did not help at all, except that mtg is just for faggots.
> Checking scc for glittering wish
> out of stock
> There were 8 of them 2 days ago
So /tg/ who was the faggot who bought all of them? I was going to buy them all goddammit
>>45054456
Rainbows are straighter than the average game of Magic.
>>45052760
Decklist please?
>>45054468
They were used as tinder to start a fire when SCG lost power during snowmageddon 2016
>>45054372
Control decks are king in a format where everyone tries to jam their linear strategies. Cards like Spell Snare and Mana Leak are alot more playable now that basically all the blue combo decks are dead.
Aggro decks are also quite easy to stabilize against with Bolts, Shackles and other tempo spells. The only real concern are cards like Thalia and Voice.
Plus, lets not forget one of the most overpowered pieces of shit that has been printed in recent years.
4x Coiling Oracle
2x Eternal Witness
4x Flickerwisp
3x Kitchen Finks
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Restoration Angel
3x Snapcaster Mage
2x Vendilion Clique
4x Mana Leak
4x Path to Exile
4x Remand
22x Lands
>>45054213
Vintage has no banlist, every card in the history of magic, but some are so good you can only have 1 copy in your deck, those are called restricted
Legacy uses the whole history of mtg as well but bans all the vintage restricted cards and some more besides
Modern only uses cards printed 8th edition and after, and of those only ones printed in a standard legal set
Standard is only cards printed recently, it rotates as time passes, cards graduate out of standard legality
>>45054520
Once is not never. The argument was whether or not Lantern has won a tournament. And it has.
>>45054468
Sry anon, I couldnt resint on brewing a boring combo deck. I must haave at least one in my collection (got 3 modern decks aatm).
>>45054552
Vintage has a banlist, it's just restricted to cards that make no sense in it, like conspiracy cards or ante cards, along with dexterity cards.
>>45054525
Add Reflector Mage because Kiki + Reflector Mage sounds hilarious
>>45054525
If you're running Snapcaster Mage you need spicy one ofs like a Spell Snare and a Cryptic. Also a Mystic Snake.
>>45054213
Standard is for the latest sets and expansions
Modern is for all cards from 2003 up until recent sets that get added.
Legacy has a even wider cardpool and is for rich fags.
>>45050641
>>45050660
>>45050743
>>45053790
Also, GG is a sorcery, good job anon.
How's elementary school treating you?
>>45054552
Your descriptions of Vintage and Legacy are a bit off. Vintage does have a banned list, and Legacy does not ban all of the cards on the Vintage restricted list.
>>45054681
I think importantly, legacy is the brainstorm format and vintage is the metal misstep format
>>45054620
Also, Sharhazad.
>>45054755
The evolution of sharmeleon?
>>45054327
>GP OKLAHOMA
there's your problem. it was hosted in the home of inbred retards and drunk indians.
>>45054764
>Not picking Sharmander as your starter
>>45054175
Get a load of this faggot. I bet you think DnT in legacy is also not a control deck. I bet you think 8rack is also combo. Grixis is stretching the definition? What is the fucking definition, there is none, but ones some retard came up with. Those same idiots are the one comparing MtG decks into circle of combo>control>aggro or other stupid shit that isn't remotely true. Every deck is unique and you can't come up with a new deck just with "yeah, this is control, so it wins tron as it's combo" or other unbelievable weird things I get to hear.
You create decks to battle decks-to-beat, they all have some vulnerabilities or so. That's why rogue decks work. MtG decks have so much archetype bleed, that you can't make it easy way on deck building. That's why I say that one guy is a fucking joke with his stupid assumptions.
Ok, I have dropped my spaghetti far enough, thanks and sorry.
>mfw i play burn
>mfw wotc would never ban nolt or guide
>mfw i got the deck before anything was over $10
>just mfw
>>45054781
I forgot how much I loved the original art
I need to be convinced to build a modern deck. I've been playing on cockatrice and in proxy tournaments for about 3 years now, and I finally have a job where I can purchase a decent paper deck. I'm honestly just considering ignoring/quitting modern and going legacy. Is there one reason I shouldn't, now that money is less of an object?
>>45054764
>>45054959
All kidding aside though, this is the biggest troll card in the history of magic
>>45054972
Depends m8. If money is not a problem, you may play both formats.
>>45054972
I'd go with legacy if I were you, given of course there's people who play it near you.
But honestly, if you need to be convinced by anonymous posters on a mongolian cave drawing board, I'd reconsider why you want to play magic at all.
>>45054972
Other than that legacy is dead? No, but honestly is your local legacy scene active, because no point making a deck into format that nobody plays. Wouldn't really bother with modern, unless you really like top tier decks or you know you want to make a particular niche deck just for your own amusement.
Also, legacy isn't that exciting as casual playing. Some match ups just aren't fun to play.
Am I the only one that enjoys a good cube the most in magic? Draft is kinda ok, but lately sets doesn't feel like proper magic sets. More like, "who got the biggest creature on board?"
>>45055045
I really can't be convinced that this format is worth my time. Fucking off to the legacy thread
>>45055075
Still here fag?
>>45054878
>nolt?
>>45055141
Look at your keyboard.
Is there a letter close to "n" that could form a word that would make sense in the context of the post? What about "bolt"?
>>45055058
Had a chaos draft couple of weeks ago, I had a blast.
>>45055075
There's a legacy thread?
Hey /modern/, it's fae worth my money? I always liked that deck when it was in standard/extended, and now that I have moneys I was thinking on playing it.
>>45055171
Seems pretty unlikely senpai
>>45055187
It's expensive for what it does ($$$-wise), but my opponents who play it always seem to be having fun with it, so go for it I guess.
>>45055187
If your meta isn't super intense tryhards then it's great
>>45051474
People like you are worse than casual scrubs who don't like counterspells and removal because they're anti-fun
>>45052005
The UR land is pretty awful. if your opponent plays any type of damage-based removal, all they have to do is wait for you to attempt to switch its power and toughness then kill it in response.
>>45055187
>is ___ worth my money?
No.
>faeries
Oh GOD no. Faeries as a tribe tend to have lousy p/t for their cost, so regardless of how powerful and flexible their abilities are they absolutely can't race aggro, and they can't out-grind Tron.
tl;dr Bitterblossom got unbanned because even with it faeries are bottom of Tier 2 in the most supportive of local environments.
>>45055171
Get a load of this autistic nigger, some people actually leave the house and have to type on phones, im glad you put the effort in
>>45055262
Everybody brings this up but every other man land besides collonnade also dies to bolt so what's the big deal?
>>45055262
Spending a Bolt to kill a land is still a bad deal.
>>45054841
DnT and 8Rack are Prison decks. They play the role of control, but do it by denying the opponent resources instead of gaining the advantage themselves.
Grixis Control in modern is actually a midrange deck, just like the UWR Geist decks that used to be popular.
These definitions are important because they inform both deckbuilding AND metagame decisions.
If you try to make a control deck in any given format without knowing how control actually works, you‘ll end up with a bad midrange deck. It will win some games, but it will also just lose to itself sometimes.
>>45055318
>What is Raging Ravine
>What is Stirring Wildwood
The point is you wasted 5 mana to essentially get stone-rained. The threat that it provides isn't good enough to justify the cost.
>>45055348
>what is nantuko monastery
>>45055382
Not in modern, sadly.
>>45051182
>>45051244
I've been playing a MUD-style deck for a year now and I love when people confuse it for a Tron deck and board Blood Moons thinking it will be an auto-win, a single Crumble to Dust won't cause me to scoop either
honestly I would love to see Ancient Tomb in Modern but I know that will never happen
>>45055348
Raging ravine dies to bolt
>>45054552
Ah that's perfect. What are the most common to play? I only recently got into it with a friend, both with basic intro oath decks - i assume theres a list somewhere of what's banned
>>45050379
They could just stop making standard shit.
Instead of thinking their only choice is reprinting Counterspell or costing Cancel at 5UU, they should be supporting archetypes that haven't been supported enough or at all.
>Non-Merfolk/Goblin/Elf tribal
>Black Stompy
>Red Stax
>Mono-White Enchantress
>Blue Aggro
>Green Control
They have hordes of cards worth of untapped design space of shit they haven't touched and could push at the power-levels of NPH-RTR without breaking any format but they insist on acting like they have to have the same format every season with the only difference being wether 3 damage to face or creature cost R at instant speed or 2R at sorcery speed.
>>45055679
But anon there is a warrior deck.
>>45055559
Only if you're retarded
>>45050807
GBx cannot beat Tron, and Tron was kept down by Twin.
They fucked up their memerange predilection by not banning something from Tron as well.
And BW Eldrazi rapes Jund/Junk too, so they'll have to ban something from that once they've stopped selling OGW boxes.
>>45050938
Rhino itself is not the problem.
Everyone playing 4-color with Rhinos is the problem. It's just slightly different than everyone playing Ravager and everyone playing Jitte because you can pretend that swapping the Rhinos for big dumb dragons is a good idea and sometimes win because removal doesn't exist anymore.
>>45055772
>They fucked up their memerange predilection
But anonTron is midrange.
>>45055744
Man Warriors are my pet tribe and even the recent support kind of bugs me since it shifted the colors out of where they made sense to WB. I did not understand that decision, just hampers Warrior decks.
>>45055679
>Blue Aggro
>Green Control
MARO ALARM MARO ALARM NOT FLAVORFUL NOT FLAVORFUL
RELEASE THE EMOTICONS
>>45054878
>mfw when I bought a set of Grove of the Burnwillows before the price explosion
>mfw when I discovered I had a spare
>mfw I sold it shortly before the price hike
>>45055923
>RELEASE THE EMOTICONS
):<
>>45055923
;_; you're making me cry MaRo
>>45054443
>1/4
>activate
>in response bolt
>u can activate as many times as u want so it'll be a 1/4 when bolt resolves
>but when bolt resolves, the first activation resolves and it becomes a 4/1 with 3 DMG on it
>dies
Any type of budget White Weenie deck? I know there's Death and Taxes, but is there an alternative approach that will at least have some good winrate that is also pretty cheap? I have a Mono-white Kithkin deck that's ok but it still has some trouble.
I want to unleash my inner White Weenie.
>>45057230
I spat at my screen when reading the filename
>>45057296
No you didn't.
>>45057230
Soul Sisters
>>45057342
Soul Sisters hasn't been really budget for some time now.
So will soul sisters be good now that aggro rules the meta?
>>45057390
Besides ascendant, what are the money cards?
Martyrs are only a buck
>>45057450
Auriok Champion is like $40
>>45057390
Yeah, you're right.
Auriok champions' price is insane. I bet she's edh product reprint bait but it did not happen with Daxos/Karlov deck... me sad
>>45057450
Ranger of eos and archangel of thune despite the archangel not seeing play in every build
>>45057508
Oh right
>>45056007
I traded mine off when they were $60. You can imagine my disappointment.
>>45057450
>>45057522
>>45057531
Also, the fuck happened to Flagstones.
>>45057450
And if you want it more expensive you could still buy flagstones of trokair which spiked!
Luckily the staples of the deck means you can also play Martyr Proc, it's easy to upgrade from SS.
Sidenote:
SS is aggro
Martyr Proc is control
>>45057583
Got a list? I'm not familiar with the deck.
>>45057577
Some deck placed higher in a ranking and played a playset, that's why. Some anon showed a printscreen or provided a link last thread, I didn't save it :/
The thing is if I had Auriok champion I would not been playing her MB right now with twin gone, it's much important to get those soul warden's out fast to gain as much life as possible.
I still want to get them though
Soul sisters
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/365902#online
Martyr Proc
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-martyr-ascendant-23008#paper
>>45057607
See >>45057705
That SS list is an example which doesn't run Auriok champion, I wonder if it is budget concern. I believe it is a meta choice
>>45054878
Burn is the safest Tier 1 deck because it's the only thing keeping the format free from 4 color goodstuff.
>>45055923
But anon, blue can do that! ;)
>>45057230
White Knights has potential in a no-combo meta.
Why can't they print color hosers? They're really fun to play with. Compost, dystopia and the like
>>45058004
Too swingy. Either really awesome or really shit.
>>45058065
Why's that a bad thing?
>>45058004
Also plenty of color hosers printed in 8th and 9th edition so its not like they aren't in the pool.
>>45058004
Sultai Painter Control when?
>>45058097
It's ¡badwrongfun! Like counterspells or combo or land denial so if you want to actually play with every aspect of this game you need to either get fucked or play legacy/edh.
>>45058097
A competitive deck wants broad answers rather than narrow. Things like Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse are better than something that reads "destroy target red or black permanent."
>>45058159
I think anon meant things like boil and choke
>>45058004
We don't colour hosers, we get archetype hosers! So modern is a "who draws the sideboard first" format
>>45058195
>we get archetype hosers! So modern is a "who draws the sideboard first" format
Would it really be any different if more color hosers were introduced?
>>45058099
The really powerful ones aren't, like chill, dread of night, havoc, insight, the circles of protection, perish. Basically all the uncommons from tempest. The game is way more fun when you can cast huge, swingy effects.
Basically, they make the game more fun because you can come back from behind, and when you're ahead you have to really play around things.
>>45058242
Well how can you hose the colour of affinity or tron or eldrazi?
>>45058277
Ancient runes for Affinity. Print something new that gives all non-artifact colorless creatures -2/-2, call it hedron suppression or whatever
>>45058277
stone silence / shatterstorm for affinity and literally any land destruction for the other 2
>>45058263
Why are you asking for more linear hate cards? Those take away from the game so much as it is. Modern is cluttered with that shit
>>45058159
Except they don't do that. "Black creatures can't attack". "Destroy all green creatures". "All red spells cost 2 more to cast."
Good color hosers have good effects, not just the current narrow removal spell ones.
>>45058397
That's not what linear means in magic. I'm just saying that it's already a "did you draw your sideboard cards" format. Why not let people play with fun sideboard cards.
>>45058336
Aura of silence is pretty sweet
The Sylvan Advocate is actually a surprisingly good card. The land buff doesn't matter but dropping it later is really gnarly, it basically becomes goyf
>>45058468
fun is subjective don't use that as your arguement, they're also the definition of linear. You have one colour directly turning off the game for another colour. There's no skill to that.
>>45058540
>>45058468
Also accepting that the format is heavily sideboard oriented doesn't mean we should print more cards that allow that. We need more broad cards that do a lot of different things
>>45050250
Yup. OGW is trash besides pic related. Just beacuse i want to try some convoluted inverter plus bojuka bog plus lab maniac.
>standard has been dead since innistrad block rotated
>i stopped playing modern when they banned deathrite shaman
>am i an eternal player yet?
>>45058584
So basically you want to play shitty oops all spells in modern
>>45058540
Linear is a deck with a single minded way to win, like storm or boggles where there isn't a backup plan.
The skill you test when you play with color hosers is how to play around things. If they have a compost out, is it worth casting your spells. Do you bring in disenchants in monored. It actually makes the decisions a lot more interesting.
>>45058563
If you want to make the game less sideboard oriented, let people play with cantrips.
>>45058650
Basically. Meme tier is the new tier in modern haven't ya heard
>>45054342
>double sleeving being the expensive part
So now that Twin is banned, what other bolt variants do I stick in my Burn deck's sideboard?
>>45058952
You need 4 Atarka's Command and 4 Skullcrack in your 75. This is crucial to beating the current meta where people try to beat aggro with lifegain.
>>45058277
Taddock Geeg 1W
Creature and planeswalker cards with CMC 4+ can't be played.
1/3
Blue Instant U
Target nonbasic land is an island until the beggining of your next upkeep.
Black Enchantment 1B
Whenever a nonbasic land taps for mana it's controler loses life equal to the ammount of mana it produced.
Red Enchantment R
Whenever a creure comes into play under an opponent's control it deals 1 damage it it.
At the beggining of your upkeep red enchantment deals 2 damage to you.
Song of the Dryads.
This is a real card, google it!
