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Old Thread: >>44933678
I don't know where these two pictures are from, but they make me laugh.
>>44945742
this >>44945717 is from Pathfinder #26 The Sixfold Trial
>>44945742 this is from Pathfinder #1 or #2 the comic book.
>>44945742
Second one is from a pathfinder comic.
>>44945717
Seelah's got a booty.
what are the most unbalanced monsters for there cr?
>>44945855
Ghoul, Wights and Shadows, I think.
>>44945855
Shadows
>>44945855
Stirges.
>>44945855
Minmaxing PCs
I've got a quick question about CR
Does CR=PC level? Like, if I were to create a "monster" by going through the character creation- core race, class, feats, skills, etc.- would their CR equal their level?
I'm asking because I want the players to fight non-monster opponents soon, and I was wondering if I could just make them the same way players make their characters.
>>44945855
Single-classed fullcasters. Seugathi. Sceaduinar, preferably in a group for action economy.
>>44945972
If you have PC wealth, yes. If not, CR = level-1.
>>44945717
Christ, a back that plunging, you might as well have the straps tie behind the neck.
I'm making a level 4 wizard for my groups game after my last character died.
It's a low magic setting so I likely won't be able to buy a lot of spells. It's core rules / Advanced Players books only. Was hoping for some feedback on my spell selection. I'm a fire specialist.
level 1 spells
burning hands
magic missile
mage armor
inferanl healing
summon monster 1
identify
magic weapon
feather fall
enlarge person
level 2
summon monster 2
invisbility
mirror image
scorching ray
If your DM acquired an advanced copy of Hell's Vengeance and said you need to make them a PC for Session 1 tomorrow afternoon, what would you make and what would their story be?
>>44946012
That sounds awful.
Can somebody make a list of named waifus appeared on APs?
>>44945987
Thanks, dude.
>>44946012
>fire specialist
It's already over
Setting aside how if you're playing a blaster in a setting where you can't buy many spells you'd be much better as a sorceror unless you go that one evocation specialty school that lets you change element at will, you've chosen to specialize in the one element that's most commonly resisted by monsters and enemies everywhere
>>44945855
Will-o-wisps.
Are dragons still under-CR'd? They were notorious for this in 3.5, but I've never encountered one in Pathfinder.
>>44946019
Poison-focused Alchemist who likes to watch his targets squirm before they die.
I really just want to play around with poisons more.
>>44946063
*All* of the waifus?
Shit, that's going to be a long list.
>>44946102
I'm not playing a blaster.
>tfw put in a request with the GM to add mai waifu in the game
>tfw shes not part of our setting but i asked him anyways
>tfw dont know what to expect
Have you ever asked the GM for anything /pfg/?
>>44946012
Anyone can do damage, you can contribute a lot more by doing things no one else can. Play a Conjurer or Transmuter, take Evocation as one of your forbidden schools and never look back.
>>44946019
A Hunter of Hunters.
Using DSP/Pazio stuff, what's the best way to go about building a punch man?
Pummeling Style
Broken blade 1st level stance
Akashic Stormbringer gauntlets (Wrist bind) + Force Strike knuckles.
Aegis with extra arms
Unchained Monk from there?
>>44946126
Know what? I want to judge you but I just spent the last thread discussing boobs, so I have no right to judge.
What waifu were you trying to add, and what campaign were you trying to add her into?
>>44946155
Steelfist commando?
>>44946122
Then why the hell are you specialising in fire and taking burning hands and scorching ray
>>44946063
I know for sure that Jade Regent is:
>Koya Mvashti
>Shalelu Andosana
>Ameiko Kaijitsu
>Kelda Ox-Gutter
>>44946162
Aru
Eberronpls no bully
>>44946183
Because I didn't want to prohibit any schools.
>>44946178
SFC doesn't have unchained monk growth damage.
>>44946236
Prohibiting isn't as bad as it is in 3.5. It just eats up two slots. Prohibit away, and if there's something you really like, use Shadow Evocation to grab it or slap it on a wondrous item.
>>44946211
She's a pretty good waifu that can fit into other settings, good job.
>>44946211
Who?
>>44946255
>>44946236
Or just go Universalist.
>>44946012
If you wanted to specialize in fire you should've gone like an oracle with glorious heat. Even that flame bard archetype lets you and your allies see through fire and smoke and shit which you'll likely cause a lot of.
>>44946126
>Playing Knight Chandler magical girl with 3 levels in aegis to get flight+transforming suit
>Say to the GM 'you know what, a similar harbinger/aegis combo would make a perfect dark magical girl as a rival character'
I don't think they got the hint.But it would also kind of derail the campaign so I wouldn't seriously ask; GM if you secretly lurk /tg/ don't worry about it
>>44945742
>a Fighter
>failing a Fort save
This does not compute.
>>44946255
>>44946155
Deadly fist can give you a cost effective way of enchanting your fists. I don't know if that'll work with your extra arms, though.
>>44946255
You don't need it though. Maneuvers will give you way more damage, and the difference between your dice for unarmed strike really won't be more than 3-4 points of damage. Less than that for most of your career.
What archetype would you say does the most to alter the way you would otherwise perceive the class?
As in, Paladin is traditionally an educated holy warrior in service to a Church, but Chosen One turns you into a bright-eyed kid with a pure heart and fast-talking animal sidekick.
>>44946329
Magic booze goes straight to Will.
>>44946236
Prohibiting is almost always a good idea; it's hard to overstate the worth of one instant extra spell slot per level as soon as you have access to it.
It was a good idea in 3.5, and now that the restrictions are even weaker, it's an even better idea in PF.
>>44946189
>Jade Regent Waifus
>Not listing Koya
>Not playing an elf who was born in sandstone and went away for awhile to train with his uncle in an old broken down monastery
>Not being Koya's childhood best friend who got into all sorts of trouble with her
>Not having kept in touch with her all these years via letters
>Not finally realizing that shit, humans age fast
>not having to come to terms with the fact that your BFF/the girl you're in love with is doomed to die relatively soon of old age
>Not letting love bloom anyway, or at least trying, damnit
your list a shit
>>44946155
Kasatha. Don't forget about Dragon Style too, so you're probably going to want MoMS.
>>44946329
>implying you get a fort save against drinking
Okay I am going conjuration / prohib: evocation and divination.
level 1 spells
Disguise Self
Magic Missile
Mage Armor
Infernal Healing
Summon Monster 1
Identify
Magic Weapon
Feather Fall
Grease
Color Spray
level 2
summon monster 2
invisbility
mirror image
Web
Bets on Jacobs answer?
>>44946019
Once upon a time, he thought he could make a difference. Do some good in the world. But time and again he saw himself go too far. The nihilism, the urges towards cruelty, all of it was too strong to ignore. Most Tieflings either keep fighting it or start reveling in it. Him? He just gave up. There's no cackling madness to his Evil now, no passion - just the acceptance of what he was all along.
Disdained even by the very empire he now serves, this Daemon-blooded Magus just doesn't care anymore. Cheliax pays well and as long as he marches to the beat, they generally leave him alone. Heroes don't come from Abbadon - but maybe he can make a decent paycheck in Hell.If that sounds like an edgelord backstory, it's working.
>>44946431
The first person I listed was Koya, anon.
>>44946438
>prohibiting divination
shit nigga what are you doing
How do I optimize an Unchained Monk?
I know monks are shit, but there's an Asian theme campaign coming up for me and the opportunity to flying kick shit is hot.
>>44946495
Okay what should I get rid of instead.
>>44946433
Dragon Style is neat, but MoMS replaces FoB and thus doesn't stack with unchained monk, unless I can do something crazy like MoMS 1/Unchained Monk X
Maybe drop Pummeling style for Dragon Style?
>>44946479
FUCK
I'M TOO DRUNK TO READ I GUESS
goddamn
I'm sorry anon, I'm an idjit
>>44946357
Aren't y'all nerfing BB anyhow?
>>44946472
>They don't exist because reasons
>No it doesn't contradict the fluff that she's neutral, that anyone that stands against her is evil, no exceptions.
>Obviously anyone that stands against the NATURAL ORDER is evil aligned (Please ignore the flying wizard in the background and her Neutral alignment)
>Shut your shit hole, Pharasma is best idea and not at all played out or made of bollocks.
>>44946496
Core Monks are shit. Unchained can easily become T4. Grab yourself a good Monk Weapon, sanketsukon is good choice, though I prefer ropedart. Prioritize Wis first, followed by Str and Con. Then grab Ascetic Style for your Monk Weapon of choice, and go to town. If you just want to punch things, then either Dragon, Pummeling, or Outslug styles can be good, though you will have to get an Amulet of Mighty Fists.
After that, just choose the Ki powers that best fill in the spaces in roles/abilities left by other party members. For your Strikes, prioritize Flying Kick.
>>44946556
>replaced FoB
>doesnt stack with unchained monk
Nigger what, Unchained has FoB too.
>>44946496
First Ki power should be etherealness for the massive utility
Get teleporting soon after
Max Strength, get a 3-section staff or similar, play like a two hand fighter who also gets more attacks.
Spec into Dimensional Dervish ASAP.
>>44946519
Evocation is the 'safest' school to drop, and for the other one it's usually either enchantment or necromancy.
Necromancy has the best debuff spells and enchantment scales in usefulness the more your campaign is expected to deal with cities and civilisations rather than monsters and wilderness.
>>44946749
I was under the impression that Unchained monk was an archetype in of itself?
>>44946749
>>44946785
>>44946556
Per RAW, the archetypes for old monk "don't work" with Unchained Monk.
There's very little reason for this to be the case but wording issues.
>>44946606
And? It's still a great high damage discipline with a lot more utility than you'll find in 1st party material.
>>44946824
Yeah, but it's a lot of junk when I just want a few things from the initiator side.
Plus I hate warlords.
>>44946110
Uh, I know there are a lot of APs, but are there THAT many waifu materials for real?
>>44946932
Aurora soul mystic is also an unarmed focused archetype, and dervish defender is very capable at unarmed fighting as well. For the most part, any initiator can be more than competent at unarmed fighting through discipline and feat choice.
>>44946932
As someone who hates Warlords and Mystics. Go Warsoul Deadly Fist.
>>44947024
I'm playing a monk/paladin themed dervish defender right now, bo staff instead of unarmed though.
What's the name of Crystal's chaos planetouched again?
>>44947024
>Mystic
>Ever suggesting that recovery mechanic.
TFW is inferior to flurry
>>44947078
>hates warlords and mystics
my brotha
>>44947097
It's a shame because I adore Elemental Flux.
>>44946311
What class is Knight Chandler?
I know Knight is an Archtype for Paladin from PoW:E, but whats Chandler?
>>44947124
It's a shame cause I wanted a decent cha-based initiator and they're both garbage.
>>44947097
>not trying that recovery mechanic
>>44947097
>Hating mystic recovery
Good lord, that mechanic is probably the most divisive thing I've seen in PoW, including the /existence of maneuvers themselves/.
>>44947124
Use unorthodox method or the tradition, then dip a level of Animus Adept to get a full animus progression.
>>44947137
Mystic. It replaces glyphs, animus, and animus augments, and gives you a little mobile buff-zone.
>>44947137
Knight-Chandler is a mystic archetype. Knight Discipline is the paladin one.
>>44947167
It also makes people you hit glow now, iirc.
>>44947144
Warlord's one of the strongest classes in PoW, isn't it? Great recovery, sharing teamwork feats, good enough defenses, and can put out full attacks as well as maneuvers.
>>44947144
Warlord is pretty much the strongest PoW class. I don't know how you could possibly hate it unless it was for being a bit too strong.
Also Zealot is great too.
>>44947159
explain mystic recovery
>>44947312
You ready maneuvers.
You take two of those, and you always get those.
The rest get shuffled into a deck.
Draw a maneuver every round.
If the deck is empty, reshuffle it, and draw a new one. Your maneuvers are recovered.
>>44947294
I hate the recovery mechanic; really. Outside of talk about the power of them, I just don't like them. It's the same with Mystic. Everything in the class is fine, but the recovery is aids.
I wish I could like, Harbinger 1/Mystic X or Stalker 1/Warlord X and have all of my abilities key off my chosen initiator stat and recovery.
>>44947312
>>44947355
Worth noting that the number of random maneuvers you get on the first turn starts at 0 and increases as you level, on top of the 2 that you choose.
>>44947374
Then just... be a bushi/privateer warlord?
Mystic recovery certainly takes some getting used to but I like it a lot. I think from a design perspective, the best thing about it is that it forces you to choose maneuvers differently from other classes, making it more strike focused and actually feel different than just another maneuver using class.
>>44947355
That's pretty cool and fun, but completely terrible for a game table environment, and an optimizer's nightmare.
>>44947460
>terrible for a game table environment
Nah, just make some notecards and draw one every turn.
>and an optimizer's nightmare
True that, at least. It forces you to take more general-use maneuvers rather than niche options.
>>44946063val baine
>ask why some friends hate psionics
>they link me this http://theangrygm.com/ask-angry-why-do-psionics-suck/
>>44947460
Having played a few mystics and many, many crusaders (who have the same thing, sans the 2 chosen maneuvers), it is none of those things. It's way faster in practice than most spellcasters (yeah, you have to draw a card, but you have way fewer options in any one round to consider), and the effect of the drawing is rather minimal. Since you get to choose what's in the deck to begin with, you're drawing a random thing from a list of random; no matter what, it will be random.
It was the consensus among 3.5 optimizers that crusader was the best initiator because of its recovery method.
>>44946933
>but are there THAT many waifu materials for real?
Reign of Winter alone has around 11.
>>44947442
>making it more strike focused and actually feel different than just another maneuver using class.
>>44947496
>It forces you to take more general-use maneuvers rather than niche options.
I like having niche options like Shattered Mirrors Equivocate or the like. Mystic recovery just shits all over that kind of stuff.
>>44947442
Bushi/Privateer changes the concept of the character to weebman or a pirate; which I'm not terribly fond of.
So I actually looked at summoner, and realized that synthesist hits whole bunch of cool things I'd want in a class. This now makes me curious. How do I go about playing one without being a minmaxing piece of shit? How good is the Aasimar's FCB for a synthesist? I was originally going to try just playing an Agathian-Blooded Aasimir Bloodrager, but playing a synthesist with a quadruped transformation looks like it would be absolutely bonkers. My only worry is that I'd wind up with a ridiculous deviantart-OC character design.
>celestial wolf-person that combines with a good outsider to turn into a large winged wolf
I'm cringing just writing that abomination, but the mechanics are just so appealing that I want to ignore the terrible fluff it would have. Getting 10 DR/Evil at level 9 is just crazy if it stacks, too.
>>44946472
>>44946619
Give the man a Coconut.
>>44947553
I love a lot of Angry's stuff.
But he's a jackass and moron in that one.
>>44947460
Try it out, you may be surprised.
As mentioned here >>44947442 I'm a fairly heavy optimizer and found the recovery method a fun challenge to build around rather than something painful.
I've had my share of 'goddamnit this isn't the maneuver I needed this turn' moments but recovering 1 maneuver free every turn then recovering 2~4 maneuvers free every X turns turns you into an unstoppable machine.Also, trait into Sleeping Goddess and get their style feat + psionic meditation, gain the ability to get a maneuver on command with a move action, /in addition/ to the free one you get at the end of the turn
>>44947093
Ganzi.
>>44947374
What's wrong with warlord recovery?
>>44947574
>without being a minmaxing piece of shit?
You are neither a base Summoner, nor a Master Summoner. You have already achieved that. You are essentially the magical equivalent to a mutagen-focused alchemist.
>>44947574
You'll be branded as a minmaxer for mentioning it, or utilizing it at all.
>OMG you don't have 18 in all your phys stats on your summoner and your eidolon has decent phys stats? xD Munchkin fagit
Just remind yourself that people who use munchkin, minmax, rules lawyer or optimizer as negative terms are the nut low of the RPG community and should be ignored whenever their brainless whining isn't threatening the game's continuation (unfortunately, not a thing you can count on).
>>44947612
Honestly, it really shouldn't happen that often.
One, there aren't that many truly niche maneuvers. Most are pretty general purpose.
Second, the expected number of rounds you have to wait for any given maneuver is quite low. You're only missing 3 (2 if you take the feat) at a time in the worst case.
how do i play a dude who's just a healer for fun?
>>44947712
White Mage arcanist.
Or Witch.
>>44947689
Syntheist is banned more often than base Summoner because of great stats in all categories broskimo.
>>44947755
And that's retarded
>>44947681
It just feels wrong, that's all. I can't really pin it down. I think it's the risky theme of it.
What do you all think about the duelist prestige class?
I might roll one up the next time I'm a player.
>>44947590
From what I read he sounds like a retard
>Psionics twists and corrupts the mind, because your using your mind
>but callling on the spirits of the dead, gods, fae, and demons are 100% Kosher.
>>44947560
Is it really 11? Let's see...
1) Ten-Penny Tacey
2) Lady Argentea Malassene2.5) Izoze
3) Nadya Petska3.5) Mierul Ardelain
4) Katrina Goltiaeva if you're into cucking
5) Captain Hestrig Orlov
6) Jairess Sonn6.5) Animated Ice Nymph Statue
7) Sylgja
8) Maret, the widow besieged by fey
9) Greta
10) Solveig Ayrdahl and Bella Belvorica10.5) Amagarra10.75) Granny Nan
11) Bragda?
12) Elzbethe, Joliphetta, and Mari
13) Zephimere
14) Nazhena Vasilliovna14.5) Zorka
So that's 14-ish from the first two books, although granted some of them (Nazhena) are much harder to get ahold of than others.
>>44947712
>Pick literally any class with healing capabilities
>Heal people
>"I heal people for fun"
#Woah
>>44947797
His advice on running chase scenes and solo bosses in 4e should be fucking mandatory for 4e DMs. Pretty great shit.
But yeah, completely worthless in that rant.
>>44947553
The flavor argument AGAIN?
>>44947566
>I like having niche options like Shattered Mirrors Equivocate or the like. Mystic recovery just shits all over that kind of stuff.
I like those too; I certainly wouldn't want Mystic recovery to be the default for every class, but it's a very refreshing change of pace so you don't end up playing every initiator the same way.
What Mystic does well is that it makes you choose a bunch of maneuvers that are always useful, rather than 'okay I can ready six maneuvers, I'll spam three of them and save the other three for fringe cases'.
>>44947755
The base Summoner get's those same stats, just split up into two sets up of actions.
The Summoner is busted, the Synthesist just cuts the bullshit/obfuscation by making you one unit instead of two controlled by one player.
>>44947790
I dunno, getting the 3.5 size change bonuses to stats is pretty good.
>>44947827
To be fair, I do agree with him on one thing. Psionics is usually always added in as an afterthought and the official settings are rarely built with Psionics in mind.
>>44947755
>believing in PFS spergs
Synthesists lose out on a lot of the versatility of the Base Summoner, and have explicitly shittier action economy. Plus base Summoners were already good at combat due to mid BAB and being flanking-bros for thier eidolons. They are explicitly weaker that base due to being essentially half the class.
And don't get me started on Master Summoner shenanigans
>>44947883
Does anyone disagree that Master Summoner should be banned at all times?
>>44947880
I bloody know. Still trying to fit it in Paizo's setting.
Which class is this character?
>>44947880
Dark Sun, Eberron, and Planescape all incorporate it in their own ways that are not afterthoughts. Eberron did ghettoize it some cuz they couldn't assume psionics would be around, but kalashtar are a core Eberron race and Sarlona's a rather important and major place (also, super cool villains).
>>44947806
Nazhena Vasilliovna is not a waifu.
She is an angry, angry woman with a dead husbando that the party killed.
>>44947883
>Master Summoner shenanigans
Or as I like to call it, Pathfinder Tactics.
>>44947880
>official settings
>tfw you will never finish your homebrew
>tfw you will never get said homebrew setting published and lauded
Feels bad man
>>44947934A dead husbando just means a vacancy
>>44947689
>>44947696
My group is convinced it's more busted than base until level 8-9. "breaking action economy with base summoner isn't as good as what synthesist gives you".
Which is fucking retarded, because they've seen what I've been doing with the objectively inferior Promethean/Preservationist Alchemist, and it is far more ridiculous than what the synthesist can pull off.
>>44947970
You know what to do anon.
Play a base Summoner or Conjuration Wizard and give them a shock.
>>44947970
Well, what do they think about what you've been doing with your alchemist?
Why do they think it's different from the normal summoner?
>>44947905
> banned master Summoner
> allows Wizard with Academae Graduate
why?
>>44947934
>implying murderhobos care about the consequences of their actions
Where do you think you are?
>>44947962
>having more than one husbando
Absolutely disgusting, you should Diplomance her with a promise that the party will resurrect her husbando if she leaves them be.
>>44947970
Did you do the best things with Prevervationist?
Taking Infusion discovery and hand out standard action summon to everyone in the party.
>>44947926
>>44947970
>tfw building setting a Psi only PF setting
It's actually pretty neat since I don't have to fucking design gods and shit around domains or take into a account chain summoning demons into world building.
It's also surprisingly tough to justify a bunch of monsters and "dungeons" as the game would recognize it, but it's satisfying.
>>44947920
>>44947880
>>44947827
>>44947553
Among all the idiotic things involved in this, the flavor argument.
Sorcery comes from manipulating your connection to the magic around you.
Psionics is legitimately a mental based form of sorcery. It doesn't need to be "fit in" because the framework for Sorcery already exists.
Likewise, Ki already exists and the framework for it already exists.
It is not at all hard to make the leap.
And then there's fucking this:
>But then you have this one weird thing that isn’t magic and somehow, everyone knows not to even call it magic. It’s not psychic magic or mind magic. It’s just psionics. Why? How did anyone arrive at the conclusion that THAT is the thing that is so different...
Wow, sure you wanna project on every setting ever?
A peasant shouldn't be calling psionics psionics just like they shouldn't know the difference between a Fighter and a Warrior by name.
These are obviously mechanical terms, and if you *want* to use them in the setting then the people who would know the difference are learned in that field, and a Wizard who studies magic and knows that you can't break into a specific school of reality bending via formulaic will probably have a name for this separate method of bending reality; like, say "psionics".
>>44947612
If you're recovering psionic focus, you also get to choose your active energy type, which is synonymous with your active element from mystic and Flux!
>>44948040
I don't because it's a CoCT campiagn feat. Also, at least it forces a Fort save on the caster even if that means fuck all.
>>44947883
Don't get me wrong, I don't buy into the bullshit, I just note it's depressingly common.
>>44946019
Human Inquisitor of Asmodeus (Infiltrator) with the Conversion Inquisition.
Glory to Cheliax. We will show those traitors the word of Law.
>>44948112
>Sorcery comes from manipulating your connection to the magic around you.
I always imagined Sorcerers as being like birds.
They "know" how to build spells, they just aren't conscious of the process.
I also blame the "MUH MAGIC" thing on D&D being retarded and feeling the need to call every fucking supernatural thing magical.
>>44948113
That too.
The synergy between mystic and Sleeping Goddess Style is seriously so good.
>>44947806
Just a note, this is most of the waifus. Books 3-6 have fuck all besides Baba Yaga unless you want to fuck a centaur, dragon, furry, or similar thing.
>>44948008
>>44948068
I specifically set my Alchemist up to be focused on crafting and support, and we're not even level 3 yet. All they've really gotten to witness so far is me something out over crafting and theory crafting how to make my homunculus useful before the stat shift lets her be useful in a melee.
>infusion and monster summoning
I have mentioned this and somehow nobody's realized the implications of having 3-5 summon monster extracts active at once if we ever get in a pinch.
>>44948207
>summon monster extracts
wait what?
>>44947553
I don't even know where to start with this.
If your friend would like the opposing viewpoint, you know where to find us.
>>44948197
>Not wanting the dragon
>Or the HORSE PUSSY
>Or even the wolf
You also forgot the Iron Chef Naiad in Book 4, and Anastasia in Book 5.
Isn't it also hypocritical to say the furry bit when Greta will LITERALLY be a wolf for the majority of your adventure?
>>44948197
>unless you want to fuck a centaur, dragon, furry, or similar thing
Where do you think you are?
>>44948171
At least in the standard fluff, Sorcerers are generally just forcing reality to bend, and learn how to do it in certain ways.
Wizards are coaxing it to bend.
It's the difference between forcing and manipulating, and because Wizards put more work into manipulating, they learn more about the nature of magic... hence often ending up with more spells. They still have to coax it, though.
Psionics is similar to Sorcerers, except they don't know the formula of coaxing the universe, they know the formula of *doing what the sorcerer does* without the crutch of being 1/10th dragon.
>>44948197
What about the norn lady
Odd question.
Most magical traps are bound to some sort of object. If you were to disable the trap and loot the item, would it be possible to reactivate the trap?
And would how much would that cost?
>>44948288
There's also the Sun Girl in Book 6 that just wants a husband.
>>44948252
No, but my group is of the viewpoint that if you build full Intellect as an Aegis, you can reconfigure to get a fly speed of 90.
>>44948243
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/archetypes/paizo---alchemist-archetypes/preservationist
>>44948259
The Naiad is the cutest thing in RoW, possibly even cuter than Greta.
>>44948252
Gareth still there?
I finally got out from work and quickly made a rough draft for the crest you wanted in your quest.
Not quite proud of my work yet. Just checking if you're fine with the direction I'm going with.
>>44948272
Fair point, there's an entire planet of dragons to fuck if that tickles your fancyyou degenerate
>>44947496
>and an optimizer's nightmare
>True that, at least. It forces you to take more general-use maneuvers rather than niche options.
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8218
>>44948315
Forgot to mention this is something they said is broken because you can reconfigure right back when you're done flying.
>>44948335
...I like.
>>44948288
Do you really want dick splinters?
>>44947553
Well to be honest, psionics does have dodgy flavor that doesn't belong in many people's typical view of sword and sorcery fantasy.
But it's the good mechanics, material and class options that convinces me to use it.
Though yes, it's really not hard to say 'it's just another way of channeling magic'
>>44948243
Preservationist + Planar Preservationist lets you prepare summon monster spells as extracts. Infusion lets you pass them off to allies. Assuming you have enough prepared, you can give everyone in the party an extract.
>>44948342
They closed the idiot crusader fairly hard in PoW.
>>44948336
>tfw no Dragon mount to mount me.
>>44948378
Literally just magic without the batshit.
>>44948356
Anything you want to suggest?
>>44948197
The furries stop being furries once summer hits in a couple hundred years anyway
>>44948344
>reconfigure
"Oh wow up to 4 times a day by level. How many times can Mr.Wizard with craft scroll/wand do that?"
Do Unchained classes get access to the original class' FCB for race?
>>44948436
Should, yeah.
>>44948432
*level 10
>>44948431
>Summer on Triaxus
Hundreds of years of shitposting.
>>44948432
Is there anything other than Wizard you can compare this to?
>>44948315
...And why is being able to fly up and smack something once from 90ft away any worse than being able to move 30ft then shoot them with a bow from 60ft away?
Alternately, the wizard parallel is actually quite strong here.
At level 5 when you learn to fly, you can reconfigure in and out of it a total of once per day.
At level 5, a wizard can prepare Fly and Haste at the same time (or also as wands/scrolls), which when cast together... give you a fly speed of 90ft.
>>44948526
sure let's look at a magus with its overland flight.
>>44948431
He's talking about the female shaman that is a walking wolf, complete with muzzle.
>>44948539
But anon!ALL DAY
> Lawful Good Cleric of Asmodeus
> Can't cast good spell and evil spell
suffering
>>44948589
That loses you what, protection from good/evil? Anything else of value?
>>44948378
>psionics does have dodgy flavor that doesn't belong in many people's typical view of sword and sorcery fantasy.
>there are people in the world who train themselves to fight with the hidden potential that lies within all men
>this power manifets istelf in many ways. A sword of pure light. People bolstering their muscles to preform herculean feats or taking on aspects of wolves and bats for a time without the taint of lycanthropy or vamprism.
>scintillating bolts and balls of energy that destroy opponents or crystal shards that will tear a man's flesh from their bones
>healing waves that sooth both mind and body
>these powers only have two limits. The users own ability to contain it and mankinds limitless imagination
vs
>umm. These bearded fucks just plagirize from each other and throw bat poop around. Oh and they sometimes summon demons and make swords for the Fighter. They also get like, cat's and stuff as pets.
>Umm. These people like pray to their gods and shit, for power, and they just get it like their ordering shit from India.
>Oh, this guys grandma fucked a dragon. So he can do what the bearded fucks do. But without plagiarizing..
>>44948571
...I don't have that good a counter because 'all day flight' was what sealed the deal to convince me to pick Aegis as my first psionic class to play.
But now that Aegis is my favorite psionic class, I'll say that while it's really nice, all-day flight actually doesn't /break/ anything.
Admittedly I've never played a ranged aegis build though.
>>44948650
Anon, let's not do the blatant strawmen.
It just makes the psionics side look bad to be disingenuous.
>>44948608
Why are most alignment-based spells so useless? A lot of the game seems to be based on the assumption that you'd actually want to cast them at some point, since a lot of things interact in certain ways with alignment-based spells specifically (like giving SR)
>>44948650
Yes, it doesn't matter what you think if better, the latter is what more people expect when they play a game called 'Dungeons and Dragons'.
That's the nature of the problem, regardless of your personal opinion on which is cooler.Next you're going to use the 'power points are more accurate to the traditional idea of MP rather than vancian casting' argument. Which is true, but it does nothing to change the fact that people want wizards, not new-age rabbis
>>44948653
Range aegii are pretty terrible because the Ranged Attack and Energy Blast customizations don't scale well, although the host of heroes makes Energy Blast worth using by making it a touch attack ranged attack "thrown weapon" instead of a standard action to throw one.
>>44947924
Inquisitor, Warpriest, or Ordained Defender Warder.
>>44948761
>Improved damage only works for melee
y tho
>>44948731
No other spells come to mind, I'm actually asking of there are any. I guess I forgot Summon spells with that give the appropriate subtyped monsters.
>>44948746
>get a Psion
>say he likes books
>he has a pet toad
>basically a wizard
Most people are just gonna throw fireballs and shit around anyway.
May as well give them a class that does it well and fun.
>>44948731
Isn't Blasphemy et al amazing at clearing groups of enemies?
>>44948798
I'm actually looking forward to the psicrystal supplement a lot.
Everyone likes pets and I think the fact that manifesters only get talking rocks in comparison kind of hurts their image. (Take note DSP)
>>44948889
I actually hate pets/familairs and the fact that a Psicrystal is basically fucking mandatory as a Psion, but that's just me.
Like fucking why is Deep Focus so hard to get when Psicrystal Affinity+Containment is so much better and much easier to get?
Also, can't Psicrystals "look" like a bunch of things. I remember one supplement saying they can be tiny little crystal dolls.
>>44948112
That gives me an idea for worldbuilding
there's quite a lot of different supernatural elements in pathfinder. So what if all the "different kinds" of magic are just from different sources.
Most casting comes from an external source
The majority of divine casting is gained by aligning oneself to a plane or more, deity that resides/is allied with a plane, or being naturally attuned to it in the case of oracles.
Arcane ability comes from the elemental/transient planes, either through study in the case of wizards or again by having a natural connection to them.
The material plane gives druids/rangers and the like their power by keeping in mind the rules of nature or something
The next set all come from within. They aren't empowered through a connection to a plane, but rather their own selves
Psychic magic comes from the mind and the mental perceptions we have
Ki and the majority of maneuvers as well as things like rage, and maybe things like grit/panache come from within ones physical body, fueling their actions with the strength or dexterity or whathaveyou.
Lastly we would have psionics which is powered through the soul, completing the rather trope-y set. However the lines between the soul and mind are often blurred, explaining the confusion (both in setting and by players/gms)
Just kinda threw that together real quick. Any thoughts/advice on fleshing this out?
>>44948955
People just like pets.
It's why pokemon became so much more popular than digimon; they're presented as more pet-like while digimon were more like partners.
>>44949028
Also, Pikachu's a cuter mascot than Agumon and Pokemon had better advertising strategy.
>>44948955
Per ultpsi, refluffing is a thing games can do. So long as it's an inanimate object of the right size, I guess!
>>44948306
So, anyone know the answer to my question?
>>44949046
say that to my face and not online motherfucker
>>44949054
Check the rules for magical traps.
Most of them function like a spell-storing weapon. They lose their magic after being triggered or disabled.
>>44949028
It's fucking bizaare, because I like Pokemon, Digimon, and Monster Rancer. I just hate the every class in the game handles them.
I guess it's because familairs/animal companions are that really weird in between. They aren't as smart/self-determined as Digimon, but they aren't as obedient and loyal as Pokemon.
It also doesn't help that most of the interesting creatures in the game have human level intellect and many have too much fluffly baggage to be with players.(See:Summoner).
>>44949046
Digimon doesn't really have a "mascot" like Pikachu. People just jump to "Agumon" because he was Tai's partner.
>>44948782
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=20313509&postcount=80
>>44948782
Why did they shit so hard on the ranged aegis attack options.
Does DSP really hate ranged combat?
>>44948335
The white lines give it a bit too much brightness. Maybe small skull in the center rather than a space? Either way, initial design very promising.
>>44949187
Of course they do, look how terrible the ranged in PoW is.
>>44949136
I read that in his voice.
I feel old.
>>44949196
>transparent
>white
>>44949187
Yes.
>>44949196
I plan to shape the lines into "cracks and fissures" to make the cross look splintered.
And sure, I'll throw in a skull next afterwards.
>>44949272
Coo'. I look forward to it.
>>44945855
Swarms
>>44949310
>AoE
>moving away
Get fucked, meleefag
If you have constant total concealment (say, from an ability like shadow blend), do you still have to make a Stealth check in order to remain unseen? If so, do you actually gain any bonus on the check?
>>44949310
How do we fix Swarms so dealing with them is actually fucking fun.
>>44949354
But swarms ARE funfor the DM
>>44949354
Don't be subhuman.
>>44947587
GOD DAMN IT JACOBS!
>>44949247
>>44949262
Ranged requires less to make awesome compared to melee.
That, and there are far less approaches to ranged combat compared to melee.
>>44949405
>you will never get to dump three Swarms on your party
>you will never watch as the Wizard without even a single AoE Evocation spell fails miserably at containing them
>you will never laugh as their HP slowly ticks down
>>44949354
Do what 4e did.
Swarms take half damage from ranged and melee, full damage from aoe/splash weapons, on top of swarms not having so many riders on an inescapable attack.
Why does everyone talk about Knight Chandlers these days? Next it'll be Rogue Phoebes and Bard Rosses, what kind of wacky shit are you people playing?
>>44949554
No, it's knight chandelier. In Cheliax they find paladins and hang them on the ceiling while casting a light spell on them. It's a sign of wealth and power.
>>44949327
If you have total concealment you cannot be seen, it's as good as a wall between you. You can make a Stealth check not to be heard if needed. If someone can see through it somehow you cannot make a Stealth check to hide at all though, unless something is still giving you some kind of concealment against their ability.
So, a player in the game took a level of warlord. He's a gunslinger bard and now a warlord that took some idiotic stances and maneuvers from Primal Fury and Scarlet throne schools as well as the obligatory ranged maneuver school. Can he use primal fury-Scarlet throne stuff like counters and the like with ranged weapons? I imagined those were made for melee combatants generally.
>>44949673
Most Scarlet Throne and Primal Fury maneuvers are marked as Range: Melee attack.
This sounds like an unholy multiclassed abomination.
>>44949405
I made the stupidest mistake of unleashing 20 bat swarms on the party while they fought a vampire boss.They were useless as fuck because the entire party has some form of DR
>>44949673
First, get over your butthurt.
Second, you should find out exactly what he has before asking what he can do.
Third, yes, he can use counters, as they are not restricted to equipment, although he may have issue with actual maneuvers, as Scarlet Throne has some requirements.
>>44948608
Summon Monster with Good/Evil subtype. The one that has outside combat utility.
>>44949715
'kay. The only thing that I am butthurt is that these classes made like 80 percent classes that are not pure casters entirely obsolete, but that's a discussion for another time. If a player wants to have fun, more power to him. Just means I have to up the Hit dices on every monster unless every fight ends in like one round.
>>44949708
Works fairly well for him. When he puts out songs, and then double barrles crap only to reload it with that stupid gunslinging enchantment that gives him a free reload or something like that, he basically shits out damage. Not compared to our dire tiger guy who just ponces and full attacks shit with broken blade maneuvers that deals 100+ damage on every round to everything it hits(and it hits pretty much everything) but close enough.
>>44949708
A 2 class pc does not a abomination make, anon.
How is healing still not necromancy magic yet?
>>44949928
It was, back in the day.
They changed it so there was less conflicting with lore into an overarching Healing umbrella.
>>44949928
Satan.
>>44949928
It is my game game.
So are spells that bring back the dead.
Fuck you, Conjuration.
>>44949962
It was because of mass hysteria, not lore, you revisionist fagweasel.
>>44949975
>>44949984
So then, how do clerics of gods expressly against necromancy, like a fair number of the "good" gods in PF, cast healing spells without violating their god's ethos?
Also, healing spells were necromancy until 3e dropped, so your issue is moot. Unless you need me to pull my AD&D phb out and take a picture for you?
>>44950067
Because "necromancy" in the context of gods against it tends to mean "zombie armies," not "deathwatch."
They put it into Healing in 3e because of backlash against D&D being satanist and necromancy being teh ebils. It's back to necromancy in 5e, notably. Paizo just didn't care enough to change it back.
>>44950109
>They put it into Healing in 3e because of backlash against D&D being satanist and necromancy being teh ebils
You know the mass hysteria you are speaking of was a late 80's/early 90's affair that had petered out long before 3e dropped, right?
Would there be any balance issues *snrk* by putting the Inflict spells on the spell list for Sorc/Wizards?
>>44950067
Necromancy always being evil is silly. It should be only against their ethos if it has the Evil alignment or makes use of a soul in a harmful way, like raising the undead or capturing a soul against it's will.
>>44947587
Classic JJ, keeps out the Good Outsiders and takes away the beards.
How many new Good Outsiders (either from pre-established groups like Angels and Azatas, or new singular entities) do you think we'll see in the Bestiary sections of Hell's Vengeance?
>>44950130
And yet 3e was still being written in a time where they didn't want to risk the fallout.
It's not about some sort of simplification of lore; if it was, then both cure and inflict would be Evocation (manipulation of energy). Because, you know, internal consistency.
>>44950163
>internal consistency.
>D&D
There has NEVER been anything like that in D&D.
>>44950154
Enough explicitly created to be a problem for the PCs.
![[computerized laughter].gif](https://i.imgur.com/riwt1zz.gif "[computerized laughter].gif")
Yo, /pfg/. Lookin' to design a dungeon real quick. Five floors, more of a fort, really, but what I'm really hoping to do with it is troll my party as much as possible.
So far, I've gotone guy who always plays a Wizard and favors Divination and Conjuration over anything else, another guy who's unpredictable but tends to lean towards Oracles or at least an Oracle VMC, a gal who's relatively new to the game and likes Druid since that's what she plays in WoW, and one guy who's a wild card on this one.Spoilered because I know these guys are probably gonna try and read this.
Anyway, they'd be around Level 7, so how best to disrupt them using the following?
>about 30 mooks (Goblins? Kobolds? Grippli? Sahuagin? Skum? Not sure what to use here.)
>a few traps (some pitfalls, hollow construct soldiers fulla bees, pressure plate that drops Tanglefoot Bags on the party, that sort of thing)
>10 or so "Lieutenants" (each with 3 or 4 levels in a single class, 5 martials and 5 casters, maybe some magic items on 'em)
>2 or 3 "Bosses" (5 levels in a single class, thinking something with a fly speed here)
This isn't meant for a larger campaign or anything, just an exercise in how diabolical one can be with these materials while still being "fair."
>>44949327
Without stealth check, they don't see you but they can still pin point your square.
I want to be a cool unarmoured samurai but i heard samurai suck in pathfinder.
Is that true?
>>44950154
Technically, Jessica Price took away the beards because they rubbed her the wrong way.
Rob McCreary (the guy who wants Glory for Taldor AP) is jokingly called the perfect Taldan and he has a beard, while Jessica Price is a huge fan of Qadira.
In fact, who wrote most of the lore on Taldor and Qadira?
>>44950221
The alt class, yesh, they suck.
>>44950186
>Enough explicitly created to be a problem for the PCs.
I heard there's a male Dryad the party has to deal with in Book 1.
Not sure if evil or good.
>>44950221
Yeah, but Kensai Magus is nice for crit-fishing.
>>44950221
Bushi warlord, dex heavy.
Be Ogami Itto. Take your son, and with him, enter the Shima.
Remember, Life in Death.
>>44945686
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/3rd-party-spells/rite-publishing---3rd-party-spells/p/pants
dungones and slapstick noice
is there a spell somewhere that summons up a bunch of rakes in an area for a few minutes?
>>44950250
Neutral or Good. Probably neutral, very gtfo mah lawn type.
>>44950226
I certainly wouldn't want a beard rubbing me the wrong way either.
Should Reincarnation be Necromancy or stay Transmutation?
>>44950226
>Jessica Price took away the beards because they rubbed her the wrong way.
There's a dirty joke in here somewhere, but I can't tell if it's straight or lesbian.
>>44950329
Well... Reincarnate Creates an entirely new body, then Calls the soul back to it...
