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What do you guys think of Zone Mortalis games? Making a gameboard for it seems fun.
Where are the rules for Zone Mortalis? Is it in a certain HH book?
What is the average point value and what limitations are there?
>>44921482
Its this, its also in book 3 I think but the rules are the same.
Sent my my first ever order to z
Excited for HYDRA DOMINATVS and Destroyers
>>44921482
HH book 1 and 3 have Zone Mortalis stuff. Book 1 has the base rules, 3 has a major expansion to the available options.
As for restrictions:
2' x 2' for up to 500 points per side.
4' x 4' for up to 1000 points per side.
> No dedicated transports (I think book 3 changes a few things here).
> No units larger than 15 models (before adding independent characters)
> No Vehicles other than Walkers, unless it's less than 4" wide. No flyers period.
> No monstrous creatures with bases larger than 60mm.
No Warlord Traits under 501 points.
>>44921618
There goes my 101 cultist list at 500 points
Blood angels and Luna wolves, those legions were bros before the heresy, right.
does anyone have any fluff of the two working together?
>>44921602
I love AL but I just can't find a non-airbrush way to paint them satisfactorily. I ended up going with another Legion because of it.
Has the Spartan made the Land Raider Phobos functionally obsolete?
Only 18% more expensive (~13.5% if you count included Extra Armour) for 25% more HP, 150% more capacity, 100% more lascannon shots and access to Flare Shield.
The only advantage is being able to be squadroned, but having to stay within 4" severely limits tactical possibilites for the units inside and you're probably better off using Armoured Spearhead if you want LR spam.
>>44921918
they fought the Nephilim on Melchior together
>>44921918
Weren't the Luna Wolves one of the Chapters (Along with... EC I think?) who bailed out the BA on Murder?
>>44922203
Also on Murder where we also have a bunch of emperors children
>>44922254
>>44922266
The combined tactic was Luna wolves as anvil with blood Angels hammer from the sky
>>44922178
I've achieved an efect that satisfies me. Drybrushed layers of different combinations of green, blue, and silver, as well as a blue wash.
Lothern Blue drybrush
Lothern Blue:Warpstone Glow 1:1 drybrushed layer
Lothern Blue:Runefang Steel 1:1 drybrushed layer
Drakenhoff Nightshade wash
I'll get a picture
>>44922286
>drybrushing flat/rounded surfaces
I'm worried.
>>44922285
is this in one of the books?
>>44922286
>drybrushing marines
just die
>>44922394
>>44922328
Uh, okay, don't throw a shitfit. If you don't like it, you can figure out your own way to do it.
>>44922410
Don't listen to us pessimists, at least be courteous to the guy you were trying to help and post end results.
Test model from the bitz box, just trying to get the tone for the armour right so I'm not bothering to pick out any details.
Still don't know what I'm doing for a highlight but the base colour and the shade is satisfactory to me.
>>44922471
Oh, sure, just grabbing pictures now. Sorry for flipped images and quality, posting from mobile.
Left is pre Drakenhoff right is post.
>>44922476
>>44922561
>>44922585
Like I said, do better yourself. Go ahead. Go do it now and stop wasting both our time shitposting.
Why are you still here? Why aren't you out doing a better job right now?
>>44922476
>>44922561
Get some standards, dude. Try some layers instead of drybrushing.
>>44922626
Dafuq is wrong with you? Check your attitude and learn to paint
>>44922626
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>>44922195
Yes. It's better, worse looking, and way more expensive. It's very existence is a huge detriment to 30k as a whole.
>>44922561
My favorite part is that there is hair attached to the one on the left.
>>44922561
>>44922476
its fucking awful
thats the truth, i'm sorry
learn to layer and highlight rather than babbys first technique
>>44922626
>you cant criticize skrillex if you dont make dubstep thats better than his hurrrrrr
stop
>>44922178
Then use the airbrush way. It's ok to learn some new skills and will only improve your paintjobs. As well as saving you massive pains when doing vehicles.
Could anyone give me a good list of paints for luna wolves (citadel paints) and where to put each? I am going to have to go without airbrushing, and I am hitting the store tomorrow.
>>44922822
i use base of ceramite white, wash with nuln oil and ulthuan grey layer.
>>44922822
http://tabletopstandard.com/2014/01/16/how-to-paint-luna-wolves/
>>44922822
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it6sAE-YBDc
>>44922822
by luna wolves, you mean white, correct? what i do for white is i prime black, with a white overspray(do this carefully, if it gets grainy at all you're fucked. this gives you a solid base to paint a light colour over, but also shades in recesses in a way that a wash over white primer doesnt.
then, either base with celestra grey, or carefully layer with ulthuan grey, white scar for highlights, black wash where appropriate, be very careful with the wash as well as make sure the ulthuan grey is thinned enough or you'll end up with some small chunks, and let each layer dry properly
>>44922476
Far too dark and splotchy. 30k AL paint schemes are all over the place but they weren't that ugly.
At least I'm hoping you were trying for AL
>>44922862
>>44922822
>>44922850
>>44922888
Thanks guys, got a better idea for what I gotta get. Will post when i finish a test model
>>44922375
Fear to tread has the battle with the xenos calling themselves nephilim where that tactic is used
Does anyone have an experience with the Castellum Stronghold? Thinking of picking one up to use with my Iron Warriors.
>>44924769
Honestly, with how many ways there are to get Wrecker in an army taking buildings doesn't seem like a very good idea unless you want them for narrative purposes. In that case, though, by all means, as they should make for interesting missions as long as you design the board around it.
>>44922561
>>44922476
If that's just a concept for a base color that you're going to add more details and highlighting to then I guess it's... okay-ish, but if you're planning up putting dudes like that on the board without any more painting than that I feel bad for whoever is playing with you and has to look at that crap.
There's been a lot of discussion in the past few days about various legions and how to build their 20-man troop blobs, and that's got me thinking - which legion do you all think has the best synergies and builds for said 20-blobs that are a staple in so many army lists? There's a lot of different bonuses in the various legions, but many legions seem to do better than others and I'm curious how people rank them.
Personally I'm partial to Iron Hands and Raven Guard for Legion Tacticals and Imperial Fists for Breachers; IH are effectively T5 against shooting, Raven Guard get Infiltrate and cheap upgrades for Night Vision (any character) and Stealth (IC only), and Imperial Fists get +1 BS to bolters and +1T for Breachers if using their RoW. Breacher blobs do get very pricey, but that +1T applies to both shooting and close combat plus having an invulnerable save has the potential to save a unit from getting totally blown the fuck out by AP2/3 pie plates and templates.
That said I'm not super familiar with a lot of the traitor legion builds so if there's better 20-blob synergies I'd love to know about them. Plus, what about 20-blobs in Spartans? Super expensive, but it seems like it could be powerful in the right list.
>>44925379
Iron Warriors don't take morale checks from shooting so they're super hard to move from objectives since you need to assault them to really get rid of that 20 man blob. Also their right of war allows them to shoot rapid fire weapons and then make a disordered charge. Pretty nasty when you have a 20 man blob with bolters and extra CCW to negate that disordered charge penalty.
>>44925379
> World Eaters
20 free Chainaxes
> Sons of Horus
20 piledrivers
>>44925379
I think all legions can make them work quite well and differently, the ones that kind of cant are EC/DG (Can still be good, just not as good as others)/WB and Salamanders.
>>44925379
Iron Hands are good for their toughness, Raven Guard for Infiltrate (Infiltration + FotL is the funniest shit ever).
World Eaters are fun if a little basic with it. Emperor's Children can be surprisingly fun here with Crusader + Phoenix Spear on the Sarge, especially if you have one of their bonuses to combat
>>44925440
>20 free Chainaxes
I remember seeing the argument in a previous thread that you didn't have to actually pay for the chainswords first since it states they only have to "have access" to it and then get chainaxes for free instead. Seems bizarre and not working as intended, but WE isn't exactly at the top of the pile so it's hard to care. Anyone ever email FW about it?
> Sons of Horus
I thought everyone just spammed Reaver squads with SoH? Is Merciless Fighters actually that useful?
>>44925808
>Chainaxes
I emailed FW last friday, still waiting for a response.
>Merciless Fighter
It's shit right now, hopefully the revisions they're planning in the next redbook make it useful.
>>44925520
EC are ok at this but become amazing once you start adding in special characters like Rylanor or Fulgrim to the mix.
>>44925808
Someone did email FW and showed the response here... and the response was incredibly vague and didn't answer a damn thing.
Honestly, everyone just says they get it for free, WE need all the love they can get.
>>44922561
Do you own a labradoodle?
Those hairs are all over my house.
>>44925379
Hmm is running a hundred marines in 5 20 man blobs a viable choice? I saw a guy selling over a hundred marines on gumtree and I'm kinda tempted just to run a huge 'bolterhorde' that my opponent wouldn't have a chance to kill.
I'm thinking IF for that sweet +1bs, but it seems overkill and would leave my 2 vindicators useless since they'll drown everything with cheap bolters.
So Now I'm confused and want to run raven guard for grabbing objectives 1st turn.
So fucking hard to choose here.
The other day I had this weird thought in the middle of the night, I was still kind of asleep but it got me thinking:
Alexis Polux warlord trait can re-deploy a unit from reserve or into reserves, does that mean that he can redeploy a flyer from reserves into the table?
>After both sides are deployed but before which side gets the first turn is determined, the Warlord's side may redeploy one of their units within the limitations of the mission being played. This may place a unit that had been deployed normally into reserve, or bring a unit out of reserve.
Is this a viable idea or am I reading it wrong?
>>44926142
I think if you're running that many tacticals you'd want to run Raven Guard or Alpha Legion (since AL's Mutable Tactics lets you pretend to be Raven Guard, more or less). That many dudes are gonna have a hard time making it up the board intact and infiltrating them (especially if you can get up into FotL range) gets around that issue pretty well.
Personally if I were going to do IF I'd do Breachers all the way. That extra +1T from The Stone Gauntlet is just so good, even if it means paying ~100 points more per blob.
>>44926221
Y'know, RAW I don't see why not? Definitely something to email FW about, though. One of the Solar Auxilia commanders has a warlord trait that lets him do the same thing but with D3 units, which is potentially ridiculous if used on fliers.
>>44926142
How do you deal with AV11,12,13,14,15?
Which legion is the best for dreadnoughts? Both crunch and fluff, who wins? It seems like Iron Hands would work well with contemptors, with their RoW giving them Blessed Autosimulcra. Are salamanders the fluffiest for a dreadnought focused list, since they have a dreadnought HQ?
>>44926731
Iron Warriors
>>44926221
It redeploys a unit, flyers cannot be deployed on the table. If he were to bring a unit on exactly as if it were deployed from reserve (ie, it could outflank etc as well) then I'd say you could but the way it is worded just makes flyers an illegal target for that rule.
>>44926731
Iunno. Even the EC have a dreadnought HQ. I'm sure someone else must too.
>>44926804
Rylanor's an Elites choice.
>>44926731
None in particular, I guess. How many are you really intending on running?
With Ferrus Manus on the table, probably Iron Hands. Along with Salamanders, it's the fluffiest Legion to have dreads as well.
>>44926502
You should have enough points for stuff like melta bombs and power fists at the very least, and probably one heavy support choice. But, yeah, going more than three units of 20 tacticals does start to make you run light on support weapons for killing enemy armor. Breachers can get away with taking melta bombs on the entire unit, but if you run 100 breachers with melta bombs that's going to be hilariously expensive.
>>44926886
In all honesty I don't play, I just really like the idea of dreadnoughts
>>44926803
Well flyers are automatically put on reserve and according to the trait Polux can "bring a unit out of reserve" and into the table before the game begins.
> (ie, it could outflank etc as well)
Outflanking units cannot be used with this unless you place them from reserves into your deployment zone, the "Bring a unit in or out of reserves" happens before the game begins, therefore no outflanking or deep striking but placing a unit in or out of reserve into your deployment zone.
>>44926825
Sorry, right. A special character tho
>>44927223
Stop trying to cheat.
>>44928417
Ok cool, thanks for the clarification.
What happened to the warhammer 40k general novel mega dump?
I still have the dump from 8/11/2015 if anyone's interested in that shit. Would be great if someone would tell me what book it's missing -will upload to mega-.
>>44922476
>>44922561
>>44925520
Damn, I was planning on going quite heavy on 20 man tac squads with my supposed death guard army. Move through cover, no pinning and -1 T on the charge sounded pretty good.
I could always swap out some blobs for troop slot vets instead then, might as well if I'm using the reaping rite.
>>44925520
Why not Death Guard? Wasn't that their Shtick? Implacable infantry advance?
Anybody know if the version of the Hours Rising audio book that the Epistolary formerly known as Bran Stark uploaded is the unabridged version?
>>44928953
No reason you can't still. Putting more than 2 huge tactical squads on the table should probably be saved for larger battles anyway. Something well over the usual 3k points.
How's this for an alpha legion marine /HHG/?
>>44925379
20 AL dudes with counter attack piling out of a storm raven or Spartan with a chaplain
>>44929334
Pictures a little dark, try putting a white piece of paper behind it
Otherwise it's close to the Legion color scheme in the book
>>44929334
Splotchy/10
>>44929334
Looks more like Iron Hands. Also, have more care putting on washes. You don't want it to pool.
>>44929915
how does it look like iron hands, its fucking blue
>>44929192
Ah alright then, I'll trim back on bodies. I should probably definitely have more than one vehicle in my list anyway.
>>44926796
This looks like an angry tread dread chasing someone from the thumb. Im disappointed now.
>>44929990
I've always seen Iron Hands in a very dark shade of blue.
Anyway, Alpha Legion are closer to teal rather than midnight. With the best will in the world I would not guess that is one unless you told me beforehand.
>>44929334
use less wash
learn how to properly highlight and possibly blend
>>44926731
Not saying that they'd be the best either fluff or crunch-wise, but I run mass-dreads alongside my mass-terminators for my Death Guard (it helps that DG-specialty terminators don't overlap with regular dreads, only Leviathans which can talon and are rediculously expensive anyway, and deredeos).
My last opponent said that when one shot from a rapid fire plasma gun over heats, the other shot is discard too, is that true?
Also he told me that I have to roll all of my plasma guns together instead of rolling for each guy like how I like to do.
>>44931749
No on the former, you keep the shot that didn't roast your face off and kinda on the latter.
You are supposed to roll all of the same weapon at the same time, which you are doing, just on a model per model basis (and I think you're right on doing so if you can do it quickly, it does make figuring out gets hot easier). Really why would he even have a problem? It works out the same in the end.
>>44931849
I always rolled for each guy by himself in case one overheats twice. No reason two people should be killed by one gun.
>>44931892
If you do roll it all together then randomly allocate gets hot afterwards, surely you'd allow for the possibility of a marine getting hit twice. Otherwise is just unfair as you say.
Hey /tg/ - I saw in FAQ that you can't bunker up inside drop pods anymore. Has this changed how anyone plays drop pod heavy armies like RG or NL? Is Infiltrating things like RG troops or NL terror squads a better choice now? I just want to be careful before I go buy a bunch of drop pods.
Has anyone seen an Imperial Fists player use this color scheme for their legion? Because I gotta admit it looks pretty fucking sexy, and a whole let less yellow to have to paint. It might convince me to play IF based on this color scheme alone.
>>44934251
don't you mean the fists exemplar :^)
>>44934251
That's a really shitty looking example.
>>44934426
Really? Show me what your army looks like. It's hard to trust /tg/'s opinion on what's shit without seeing what their paint schemes are first.
>>44921886
You could still cram 90 of them.
But generally ZM does not reward large units.
>>44922394
What about sponging? These guys are simple basecoats + 1-2 colors sponged and weathered.
New Armour Marks from FW, which are helpfully marked with the CURRENT YEAR.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-MkII-Crusade-Armour-2016
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-MkIII-Iron-Armour-2016
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-MkIV-Maximus-Armour-2016
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-MkV-Heresy-Armour-2016
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-MkVI-Corvus-Armour-2016
>>44935053
Looks like reworked pauldron rims on mks II, III, and IV. That's a welcome change--the old ones were near impossible to get off the sprue without fucking up the trim right at the top.
That said, the old thin trim looks much better. I can't help but feel that the new "fat" MK II trim will look awkward mixed in with the old in my Iron Warriors.
>>44934444
I spent probably a weekend on these guys. So yes, those IF look like shit to me.
>>44934251
Looks like this guy tried the dip method on 28mm models lol.
>>44935112
Not bad.
>>44935053
Well I guess that means no new plastic MKs anytime soon. Thank god.
>>44935587
deimos rhino is back in stock, I guess that means no plastic heresy rhino either
>>44935053
How are they new? Just new poses?
>>44935595
It was confirmed weeks ago that they were just repackaging them into boxes.
>>44935605
Hands have been chopped off to work better with B@C. Also there's a Legion version of MkV.
>>44935587
How so? We got Mk. 4 in plastic and resin. Why can't we have others?
>>44935614
Oh right, I see that now.
> Also there's a Legion version of MkV
I thought they already sold Heresy armour, but nope looks like the old versions of all of the armours without hands have been removed from the site.
>>44935053
I see no chance in hell that their selling MkIV, because of the BaC plastics.
>>44935676
Then FW and GW would be cannibalising sales from each other for more than just one armour mark.
>>44935692
Some people just want their non-GW resin crack.
>>44935715
It's the same company, so GW's making money regardless.
I refuse to believe FW sales are down because of BaC. Surely there's more people coming in and getting upgrade kits and vehicles to go with their plastic kits.
I would welcome a plastic option for at least Mk. 3 because I really don't like resin. I already make Mk. 5 and 6 suits from plastic kits along with BaC Mk. 4 suits.
>>44934251
Does the guy on the left have a combi heavy bolter?
>>44935053
Still no Space Wolves upgrade kit even though Thousand Sons got one.
>>44935765
No, it's the FW legion heavy bolter.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Heavy-Bolter-Set-2015
>that feel when no sol pattern HB kit
>>44928782
Sure
>>44935677
They sold non-legion versions of MkV.
>>44935815
Is it the Heavy Bolter in this set?
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set
>>44929151
Try audiobookbay with search term Horus rising
>>44936082
Yeah.
I wonder why they made a whole new HB with the current hip fired one when they already had the shoulder fire one.
>>44922195
Resoundly yes, although that would be the case even if the Spartan wasn't excellent value. Phobos is DIDaf.
I find making the front TLHB optional and demoting the TL Lascannons to HBs, then allowing granting all three guns Razorback options, balances the vehicle.
>>44922195
Yeah.
I'm amazed that the Spartan can stuff in 150% more dudes while the hull isn't really that much bigger than the Phobos and it packs twice as many lascannons. One reason the Crusader can pack more models in it because it takes out the lascannon generators. Spartan stuffs in more generators and can transport more dudes.
It's weird even the Prometheus doesn't get more transport space. Not only does it exchange the lascannons for heavy bolters (with external ammo stores), but it also removes the front HB. Surely there's more room in there for more dudes.
1498/1500 Dark Angels list, obviously subject to change once the next book drops but for now it's this.
HQ
Terminator Delegatus twin Lightning claws
Terminator Command Squad, x4TLCs, x1LC, x1 autocannon
ELITES
Dreadnought, x2 Volkite Culverin, Havoc Launcher
X3 laser rapiers
TROOPS
x10 Cataphractii Terminators, x6 powerfists, x2 autocannons
x10 Terminators, x4 combiweapons, x2 autocannons
Command Squad takes on anything 3+ or higher, powerfists and rapiers go after hard targets, Dreadnought handles hordes and the combweapon Squad are magnetised to fit the opponent. Using furious charge instead of stubborn as it benefits the army more. All Terminator Squads try to stay in the 6 inch Fearless bubble as much as possible. Thoughts?
>>44936465
Oh yeah and pride of the Legion if not already super obvious.
>>44936147
http://audiobookbay.cc/audio-books/horus-rising-unabridged-dan-abnett-toby-longworth/
Or for all 3
http://audiobookbay.cc/audio-books/horus-heresy-opening-trilogy-unabridged-dan-abnett/
>>44925808
I think that Sons of Horus can be summed up as 'Reavers and Dreadclaws'. Maloghurst also gets a pass, but only because he enables the 'Reaver' bit.
Your LA rule might as well read 'Can play Orbital Assault and Pride without needing a Rite' for all the game effect it has. That said, Reavers and Dreadclaws are good enough that it all works out anyway.
> Deep Strike almost anywhere on the board, fuck your scatter
> Flat Out 18"
> Move 6"
> Disembark and charge Turn 2
It's all groovy. That said I can't wait for a redone set of Sons rules because they are both beautiful and the central antagonists, so they need some representation on the board.
> Edge of the Spear
> Units arriving from Deep Strike only scatter D6" if they are placed within 12" of an enemy unit. Any Reserves rolls can be rerolled.
> Go for the Throat
> All models with LA:SoH have the Preferred Enemy special rule when attacking the enemy Warlord, or a squad that the Warlord is a part of.
> Merciless Fighter
> Sons of Horus inflict Hammer of Wrath hits when they charge an enemy unit smaller than themselves.
> Justaerin hit at I2 rather than Unwieldy, gain Zealot.
>>44936465
Are you really sure you can't afford the 15 extra points to upgrade the Delegatus to a Praetor?
>>44936371
It's a space clown car using warp sorcery
>>44936593
35pts cheaper now, *plus* he gets a free Master Craft. January FAQs yo.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf35pts for +1 W/A/WS and Artificer Armour is still absurdly good value. Delegatus for Chosen Duty or nothing IMO
>>44936732
Oh, hadn't noticed that.
Still, I like Praetors and/or special characters better for Master of the Legion.
>>44935053
Tried to respond to this earlier but the connection was glitchy. The models look like the illustrations now, which is a very good thing. Excellent stuff, and cool that we have Heresy armour now as well.
>>44936371
I think there's two decks to the Spartan. Two cramped decks, but it's possible there's an elevator or some such. Perhaps the first Terminators into the vessel stand on platforms, get elevated up while crouching slightly, and then more fit underneath.
>>44936465
I reckon you'd be better served with single claws and a few fists/hammers in the termie units. Partly because dual claws are weirdly overpriced lic, but also to add variety to the unit.
>>44936588
Best changes to the SoH LA I've seen thus far. I'd perhaps modify GftT to nominate a single enemy unit at the start of the battle, as it isn't always the commander that's the prime target. Maybe give a choice between Warlord, Lord of War (lol name redundancy) or the most expensive single unit/model if an unlimited choice is too unrefined.
>>44937398
The Spartan's hull doesn't look that much taller than the Phobos. I think the "upper level" is just a platform that contains the crew and hull gun.
Am I to understand that the Moritat has 2 bolt pistols and a CCW stock, and can trade any of them for other weapons? So can I have one with bolt pistol, volkite serpenta and a plasma pistol, for example?
Also, is the Legion Falchion any good?
>>44934785
You're retarded if you think those are just basecoat+sponging.
![$_57[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lMmNJK0.jpg "$_57[1].jpg")
I want to add combat blades to my BaC tacticals by gluing them to their hips rather than hanging off their backpacks, but the pieces have indentations by the buckles where they're supposed to be attached to the backpack exhausts.
Should I just glue them as-is and hope no one notices, or should I embrace my autism and use greenstuff to cover up the indentations as best I can?
>>44937593
From the actual model compared to a normal land raider it seems like they ripped out some of the tactical work stations etc to make more
>>44937593
Guess it's just space magic then.
>>44937882
Why not.
>>44938163
Honestly I don't think anyone minds. They could just be straps made on all the blades so that marines can attach them there if it suits, but they don't need to do so.
>>44938163
Just use greenstuff if you're worried. It should be fast.
so I still have 10 Calth marines and four recon marines unbuilt. I used one recon to make exodus and I figured I can make two more into power/not power armor vigilators. What should I do with the rest?
I've made so far
10 termies
30 tacticals
10 head hunters
10 templar brethren
And this with my vehicles easily gets me to 3k, so I'm thinking of a squad for another list perhaps. Still AL though. Seeker squad maybe? Command squad?
>boy I sure am glad I finished painting my Demi company of mark 4, looks awesome and plays awesome
>...
>man 20 Mk II in a Spartan would look cool
This is how it starts isn't it
My current Horus Heresy Collection. Gotta really force myself to paint again.
>>44936147
>>44936514
Thanks bros.
>>44939150
Just have fun with it. Do something with a bit of good taste and bad taste in it. Be David Bowie.
So now that most of my double BaC lot is nearly done, I want to pose a question. How many anons here have more than one legion? I mostly have alphas because I love thier tactics and shenanigans, but Death Guard aesthetics speak to me. So while its mostly alpha, I have a terminator squad, 10 vets, and a chaplain all spruced up as Death Guard, but I plan on slowly grabbing MkII armour and some vehicles for em.
So in summary: I have alphas at the moment for shenanigans, but plan on growing death guard for seige-like lists.
Are you only loyal to one legion /hhg/?
>>44939656
I'm playing imperial fists, but I'm going to add another legion as a small allied force, just a little one though, not fully fledged as it's on army.
go for it man
>>44939656
AL to the end. I'm not going to be a band wagoner
>>44939150
Most armies tend to have some rank and file.
Also who's that guy on the right?
so Leman Russes existed but the God damn Chimera didn't? Fuck
>>44939656
Iron Warriors and Mechanicum are my main forces but I have ZM armies + Primarchs for Iron Hands, Sons of Horus and Word Bearers. I will probably build out my Iron Hands army this year, but there are always new units I want to add to my IWs and Mechanicum. So just be warned if you start doing more than one Legion your hobby time will get spread out pretty thin.
>>44939782
>AL
>Not band-wagoner
>>44939656
Technically I'm rocking the first and the last, Alphas and Dangles.
But more realistically speaking I kitbashed a DA Praetor for shits and giggles and any more is going to have to wait until they get rules. I'll probably build them using a mix of MkII and MkIV but with GK style helms instead of standard MkIV helms.
>>44939843
The Chimera had to exist, Angron flipped the bitch early on in Betrayer.
>>44939843
chimera probably existed, it's just there were better options for the Solar Auxillia, it'll probably turn up at some point
>>44939843
Chimera hull exists:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-Medusa?_requestid=7040062
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legion-Basilisk
>>44940491
There isn't for Militia. Would make a good transport for Grenadiers, since you can't fit special weapons in a Rhino.
>>44940430
Oh good.
>>44940491
I just want to put my militia in chimeras, Solar guys deserve pimp rides
>>44940496
I thought the legion ones were on slightly different chassis?
>>44940307
>iron warriors detected
would you let a guy take two Alpharius at 4000 points?
>>44940597
It's a Chimera chassis, just a fancier SM one. Like how the Fellblade and Falchion are fancier SM variants of the Baneblade and Shadowsword (in a way).
>>44940638
Huh, I even thought fellblades were their own super land raider equiv but the baneblade part makes sense
>>44936588
> Black Reaving
> Your fliers roll for Reserves from Turn 1.
> Abaddon
Gets Eternal fucking Warrior.
> Rules for Aximand, Grael and the Lupercii.
Sons are now perfect in every aspect.
>>44936588
I'd name that Justaerin special rule Callous Warriors.
>>44940666
Typhon and Cerberus are built on the Spartan hull.
Fellblade, Glaive and Falchion models even use parts of the Baneblade kit. And in old art they're basically different Baneblade variants. For example in the HH card game Fellblade looked like a Baneblade with a rounded turret.
What compelled FW to make Fellblade and Falchion into double-barreled tanks with quad lascannon sponsons, I don't know.
>>44940782
>What compelled FW to make Fellblade and Falchion into double-barreled tanks with quad lascannon sponsons, I don't know.
Obviously the fault of the Macharius. Best superheavy ever.
>>44939794
Dorn
Does anyone have the paint scheme that Forgeworld uses for their non-metallic AL models?
>>44941507
You can email FW and they'll probably send it to you.I'm not going to bother searching for it because, personally, I think it looks like ass.
>>44941578
You're a fag. FW is Best World
>>44941578
I emailed them and was sent their metallic paint scheme,asked again and got radio silence so far
>>44941896
Whatever, shitstain. If you're defending their half-assed B@C paint jobs over the original studio paints schemes you need to get your eyes checked.
>>44941927
ask this guy >>44922476 >>44922561 what he used, looks about the same.
>>44941955
>shitstain.
Y U SO MAD? You must be this guy:>>44922626
Let me guess . You consider edge-highlighting the ultimate artistic technique.
>>44942035
Why don't you read >>44941955 post before you respond? You realize that before B@C came out FW did Metallic paint schemes Mat Kane came up with. They're much better than the retarded paint schemes they used for B@C. If you think otherwise, you're straight up wrong.
>>44941955
Is this nigga seriously gonna talk shit about Forge World's paint schemes?
>>44942035
>Doesn't know about the FW paint schemes before B@C
Confirmed for B@C fag.
>>44942078
Is that Bolter melting? Wtf is going on.
>>44942084
Whats with the tribalism? You're so eager to paint someone as an 'outsider'. You must have identity issues yourself.
>>44942133
Shit's hot, yo.
>>44942078
I like how Raven Guard are supposed to be stealthy but this guy has the shiniest bolter in the whole Legion.
>>44940632
Yes, but why would they want to?
>>44941346
Dorn the strict and unyielding yes?
>wake up
>it's not February 6th
I need that book before I can order the rest of my army and play with everyone else motherfuckers stop slacking and speed up time for my convenience.
>>44942243
Enjoy being super jelly when people who go to the Weekender get their books a couple weeks before everyone else does.
>>44942266
We'll get our scan pretty quickly though.
>>44942296
Considering ScanAnon's scanner is not as good as his last one and we still haven't gotten a Taghmata red book? I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>44942363
Basically this.
>>44942363
He got a brand new one and finished Isstvan Campaign Legions. We should get book 6 pretty quickly when it is out.
>>44942412
You know how many months he was working on Isstvan Legions for? If you mean he bought a 3rd scanner and its faster great, otherwise the new scanner is the one that is super slow.
>>44942461
https://desustorage.org/tg/thread/44699221/#44702021
This should mean we get Book 6 pretty quickly when it's out.
>>44942522
This. And the file size really isn't a big issue because Archive-bro said he could get it down to normal pdf size without a problem. It's only a big deal for people who won't wait the extra 24-48 hours for the pdf.
>>44942522
Cool, I order all the books anyway, so I'll have mine before the scan is done.
>>44937992
Nicks and cuts with a knife.
Prime.
Base coat.
Diluted wash over all.
Sponge one color.
Washed in recesses.
Sponge brown.
Sponge silver.
Rust pigment.
Cock in your ass dipshit.
>>44942201
Cause Alpharius might be the weakest primarch in a 1v1 fight, but who says he ever has to fight them without his other half
Plus two Primarchs in one army would be fun to at least try
>>44942187
In Storm of Iron a bunch of IW sneak in the dead of night over an open field while enemies stand guard (knowing full well that there's enemies out there) on an elevated fortress wall. Somehow they go unnoticed until someone gets his leg caught in some hole and makes enough sound to draw attention.
>>44942824
Let's be real now: Is Graham McNeil the worst?
>>44943222
Is plasma a liquid?In Storm of Iron it is.
>>44943260
Blood plasma is. That said, I'm assuming the context is plasma weaponry, in which case he is indeed retarded.
>>44943397
Reactor plasma. A warlord titan chainfists the Dies Irae, breaching its plasma reactor, which bleeds out like molten lava all over a trench network and burns everyone in it.
And a frag grenade explosion leaves charred bodies in its wake. And all the tanks are apparently built by Michael Bay, because they light up like fireworks regardless of what hits them.
>>44943470
To be fair I don't think the workings of plasma reactors had been at all expounded upon back in '02.
>>44943672
Tokamak reactor design (the donut shaped plasma one) was formulated in the 50's.
>>44934251
>My feet hurt
>There's xenos blood stuck on my power fist
>My feet are getting stuck in the snow
>Brother Relanius keeps complaining about his heavy bolter
>I wish I was on the Phalanx practising Bolter Drills
>>44943672
>I don't think the workings of plasma reactors had been at all expounded upon
I don't care if he coined the name, plasma will never, ever work like that. If it were the coolant, that would be great, it would make suggest a degree of thought went into the phrase "plasma reactor," and would act just as described. Actual molten metal pouring out would be acceptable, given that Dies Irae is an Emperor titan and has a lot of metal to pour. But plasma is an ionized gas. If it pours, it's not plasma.
>REEEEingphysicists.png
>>44943842
Is that supposed to be snow? Jesus christ, I thought it was just sticky tac.
The nuncio-vox entry mentions that the vox user must be on the table and not in a vehicle to use it. It also specifically notes this in the description of Maun's Strato-vox. Sevatar's Master of the Atramentar rule doesn't make this restriction. Would you feel it was fair to place the deep-striking terminator unit within 6" of a dreadclaw that Sevatar was still embarked in?
>>44944600
Looks like flour. Probably fighting the bread demons, diet's ultimate opponent.
>>44944731
I'd say rules as written it's fine but I would email FW for clarification.
>>44944731
For now, no.
>>44944734
Can Daemons have celiac disease?
>>44944947
Nurgle ones can, but they're usually fat fucks who eat it regardless
>>44944987
That's a fast track to fucking you up. Give a celiac a whole bread loaf and a can of Heinz and they'd probably explode.
>>44939656
Loyalty to one? Impossible. I've got most of a 2500 point AL list, starting a 3000 point IW list, and plan on jumping at Sons of Horus and World Eaters at some point. Possibly Word Bearers at a later date. I'd like to collect all the legions, but I'll probably be 30 by the time I hit that point.
>>44942078
>that tiny little speck of grey on the tip of the beak
Anyone have any cool conversion ideas for IF Templar Brethren? Or should I just man up and buy the upgrade packs from Forgeworld?
>>44947857
You can do some really great work with 10 BaC marines, the Black Templar upgrade kit and some extra power weapons and shields if you'd like. That's how I did my Brethren (the BT box even comes with Templar mark IV torsos) and I love how they came out.
>>44947956
that's a good idea. what I was thinking of doing was using the 6 power swords from my 2 BaC boxes, a power fist for the sergeant, spare PAGK helmets and GK Terminator shoulder shields to be "mini buckers". Or at least that's my plan if I don't buy the Forgeworld stuff because I have no bigger shields laying around.
>>44947956
Do note that the BT kits arms are different from the Mk. 4 ones (vambrace doesn't extend over the wrist joint), if such a thing tickles your autism.
>>44948301
That's pretty easy to fix with a little greenstuff, though.
>>44948354
Or cut the weapons from the BT arms and put them into BaC arms.
>>44948301
BT arms are a bit different but the chains cover it up quite well
>>44942574
That's more than just basecoats and sponging you giga retard
>>44948819
>>44942574
Stop being idiots. Some people do 10 layers of paint and other people rather use 5 different specialised techniques. In the end there's still a whole bunch of steps involved to get a good effect. And all the good shortcuts to skip painting extra layers require some expertise.
Anyone know of good sculpting tutorials and/or 3rd party sites for larger helmets? Corax just came in and homeboy needs a helmet...
Eddie pattern dreadnought, yay or nay? Im thinking of getting one with plasma carronade to fill up my heavy support slots.
>>44951257
>plasma carronade
It's good, it's just the anvillus autocannon is that much better. So if you're totally set for AA/AT and just want more plasma then go for it.
Guys I need some tactics help.
I just got conscripted to be part of an Istvaan III campaign as loyalist WE... and I know I'm gonna be up against big Traitor WE blobs and scary deepstriking bunches of SoH. What tricks can I use to break the deadlock against other WE?
>>44953170
>break the deadlock against other WE
Bring more guns
>>44951257
As >>44952195 said. It's super AA, but not worth otherwise. Then again, a Legion Whirlwind Scorpius is cheaper and pumps out effectively as much anti-marine firepower.
Depends on how much 2+ svs you face. I rarely see any, so a Medusa/Vindicator would normally be better for me.
Did scan anon put up the crusade list as well as legion?
>>44955823
Yes. There should be PDFs floating around.
>>44955857
Coolio. Ive looked for link but can only see the news scan anon is scanning not finished. Anyone help me out?
Also, if you read this scan anon, ta very much.
>>44955905
I don't have the PDF link, but here's the raws.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/p5mt5733zexlw5n/Crusade_Army_List.7z
>>44955915
Cheers buddy
>>44942243
The next HH FW book is released Feb 6th? Damn, that's not too far away, exciting news! I thought it was months away.
>>44942201
>Dorn the strict and unyielding yes?
Pretty much, I guess.
>>44956208
It's out at the Weekender on the 6th. Usually a few weeks after that it's on sale for general release.
>>44922195
The Spartan as is is a huge fucking problem in 30k, it's just too good, too cheap, too reliable and too flexible.
Any force with a melee deathstar will invariably sport one at least, though it'll be often multiples.
I wonder if making it a Superheavy LoW like its brethren Typhon and Cerberus and an increased price tag (~380, I guess) would fix the worst issues.
Now that the game is crawling in BaC players, does the meta change at all? It seems like a massive portion of the playerbase will now be running their army on a box / boxes, maybe adding in a couple of resin pieces or trying to port 40k units over.
So swarms of Veteran Tacticals and Cataphractii. Almost definitely playing Pride to make the lists legal. A fair few Contemptors and I expect every list is packing a Praetor.
Minimal armour pieces. Probably nobody wanting to pay for Rapiers or Spartans, outside of bootlegging an artillery carriage.
Seems unlikely you'd see much firepower beyond Sniper Bolters and the Dreadnought. Vehicle time?
>>44958096
You are assuming that they wont buy Mars pattern rhinos, and predators. expect a lot of '40k' armour. Of course buying a single Sicarian or Fire Raptor is also not out of the question
>>44958073
Price tag, sure. LoW... probably not. You'd be able to take two in one LoW slot and still get all your HS slots. Though it'd come at the cost of a Primarch, I guess.
The problem is the flare shield, imo. They should either get rid of it or make it much more expensive.
>>44958136
Well it's not a financial choice for me: Deimos pattern vehicles are uglier so I won't be taking them.
>>44958096
With all that delicious infantry it sounds like a perfect meta for Terror Assault. You can bring down death and judgement on the new BaC players like a true Night Lord.You can also use BaC to make it and be a hypocrite, also like a true Night Lord.
>>44958161
personally i love those little domes, but i play a meme legion, so what do i know
>>44958161
Same with me. The Deimos isn't bad, it just feels more like a 3rd party conversion kit, a half-assed attempt to bridge the gap between the old Rhino and the current one. If they had just done a full on resin version of the old Mk. 1, I would have enjoyed it way more. I also enjoy the Mars pattern metal bawxes, so why not use them since they're kosher for 30k?
>>44958096
Give it some time. Not everyone is ready to drop thousands of dollars for a 5000pts. of FW resin at the drop of a hat. People need to toy around and see what they enjoy and what they want to get next.
>>44958136
Mars Pattern Rhino's were already around during the Heresy, the Deimos was more common though. Besides, it's an excuse to use the cool FW Rhino doors for your Legion.
>>44958073
>>44958150
After it got brought up earlier in the thread, I've been thinking about it and the transport capacity thing doesn't seem right.
Maybe a Spartan could have a cap of 20, no Flare Shield and no sponsons at 320. Then a Flare shield could be bought for 15+ points, reducing capacity by 2, and either single lascannon sponsons could be bought for 30pts or dual for 50pts, each which reduces the cap by 3/6 respectively. Fluff and balance then work out.
>>44958504
I wonder, did the old spartan have an assault ramp at the front?
>>44958583
Yeah, a little stepladder comes out.
>>44929112
Their rules suck and don't benefit blobs really. DG do better with deathwing and MSU heavenly support
>>44958161
>>44958235
>>44958300
I use the plastic chaos predator for my VIIIth Legion Spoop Lords. It comes with lots of skulls and spikes and I like the sweet gargoyle heads on the guns.
>>44958583
Oh my word, the Terminators got on top of it? That's sort of cool and stupid at once. Like the huge tracks are shielding them from most angles, but what are they going to do up there?
A mechanicum vehicle with their spindle-built forcefield designs could really whirl with this. A vehicle that can activate or deactivate a bubble to count as open-topped or not, with the passengers visible on the top platform.
>>44959252
>what are they going to do up there?
They're manning pintle-mounted weapons pointing front and back.
>>44959304
Of course. No remote controls back in the Rogue Trader days, got to send termies up to man what they carry as a sidearm.
>>44959447
Sure they did. Old Rhinos had guns on top without a dude manning them. But you also had manned pintle guns. I don't know why it has terminators, in art I've seen it's basic PA marines up there.
>>44959576
Unless the spartan had heavy bolters or such on the turrets, that makes even less sense. Ah well.
