>mfw some twat thinks he can get a Swarmlord to duel him 1v1
>mfw a SPEHSS MEHREEN punches an Avatar to death
>mfw Avatars have pretty much become punching bags
Yea gw always has this problem. To make someone seem awesome they have to kill something amazing. Avatars are usually it which is stupid when they are literal daemons of eldar.
>>44531530
Chapter Masters kill Stormlords and Avatars.
The can't-melee Tau Shadowsun melees Chapter Masters to death.
>>44531596
Shadowsun shot the Raven Guard chapter master in the back with a fusion collider, she didn't try to fight him fairly.
>>44531668
He hadn't made his consolidation move yet, therefore Shadowsun can shoot into melees which is even worse Tauwank.
>>44531668
>Raven Guard
Well, there's your reason.
This kind of thing happens a lot it seems to any fictional character built up to be a badass. In order to show how dangerous the new threat is, they kick the ass of the resident tough guy to show that it's way tougher than that. Like Worf from Star Trek who got beat down fairly often despite being the best fighter of the crew.
>>44531762
Isn't this literally known as the Worf Effect?
>>44531786
Pretty much. Not sure why you would do that to a character cause then they look like a joke than actually competent.
>>44531786
That also happens to Russ in BL
>>44531245
The Avatar is actually underpriced for how strong he is
If you want him to get into combat then have a jetseer make him invisible. Once he gets there he will kill fucking anything
>>44531826
Sometimes you just gotta establish a character as a threat to the party quickly.
>>44531850
Probably has more to do with Russ being literally retarded than anything imo
>>44531245
it could be worse. You could be a khornate.
>An'ggrath: jobs to Lorgar in the Heresy and the Grey Knights on Vraks
>Uruka: also gets killed on Vraks
>Ka'bandha: dies to Sanguinius twice and the Sanguinor once
>Skarbrand: literal origin story of getting beat to fuck by his own god, later gets cut in half by Dante
>Doombreed: never gets killed but never fights anyone major either
>Skulltaker: jobs to Castellan Crowe
As a khornate your job is to kill a bunch of npcs and maybe put named characters on the back foot so you look fierce then get your ass handed to you when the Rocky music starts.
Haven't played since 4th edition. Are avatars actually decent now?
Loved using my avatar in 3rd, but it never accomplished anything in 4th.
>>44531245
>A space marine
You mean, THE space marine
welcome to the bloodthirster squad
>>44531921
>Doombreed
When will he be brought out for our Spiritual Liege to defeat in single unarmed combat?
>>44532807
Not sure about 4th, or new editions, but they were marginally effective in 5th too.
An Avatar even got possessed by a Keeper of Secrets at one point. That shouldn't even be possible.
>>44531920
>probably has more to do with Russ being literally retarded than anything imo
>Probably has more to do with Russ can't kill characters with predetermined rolls to play on the HH and BL awful writing imo
>>44535104
He is still retarded though desu senpai
>>44535129
>Being this buttmad with Russ
Let me guess, you play thousand sons
>>44534031
Actually it possessed the body before it was animated, i thibk the avatar is wraithbone which makes it a really good body for a daemon
>>44531921
Losing to grey knights isn't a bad thing since they are daemon hunters. Losing to a primarch is the same since they are demi gods in the setting. Skulltaker was also winning the fight since all crowe could do was defend while his team stabalized the area
>>44535221
Night Lords, actually.
What about the Avatar the irks looted
>>44534031
>>44535238
The Avatar started moving on its own due to the ruckus the daemons were causing, but no ritual, no Exarch sacrifice, easy target for possession.
>Awakened but untamed, the Avatar was a soulless thing, and Heartslayer saw opportunity in its hollowness. The Greater Daemon invested himself into the shell of the Avatar, and perverted it from within.
>>44535438
>avatar of the god of war fuelled by war designed for war
>led by a bunch of panzees
>actually surprised when the avatar fucks off and joins da orkz
When will the eldar learn that Uthan the perverse is the only smart git amongst them?
>>44535327
>Night Lords
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope GW gives you back your legion rules rather than being irrelevant in your own codex.
>>44531245
the worse off Eldar become in fluff, the stronger their crunch gets
Ynnead is real
>>44531245
There might be hundreds or even thousands of avatars, one or two dying every hundred years or so wouldn't be so rare, there are no invincible beings on 40k, not even /tg/ favourite Cato sicarius.
>>44535450
>Perverted from within
That's lewd and hilarious. And now I'm questioning the nature of the avatar if it can awaken by itself and how it's possessed by an exarch. I'm getting an eva vibe
>>44535709
>there are no invincible beings on 40k
Except the Chaos gods, of course.
>>44536217
40k has only one god worth mentioning.
>>44536485
Not exactly an impressive statline for a god.
>>44536217
Could always just turn off the warp.
>>44536527
Alas, the true strength of one as puissant as he cannot be properly reflected on the tabletop, for fear of shattering the delicate balance that Games Workshop's master rulesmiths have wrought.
>>44536485
>2010 /tg/ is forever gone
>>44536217
Who's kaldor draigo?
Avatars are pretty much Greater Daemons those get their asses beat all the time.
>>44531921
Doombreed lost to Mephiston
>>44538838
Fell to Slaanesh.
>>44538838
He's actually dead and his victories are insane visions of his tormented soul.
>>44531245
If you can get reborn or there're as many as plot requires you are going to have a bad time.
>>44531740
well she almost kill a white scar Chapter master in 1vs1 too but no because "muhh honor"
>>44540136
Captain and the he was disarmed.
>>44540166
>Captain
ayyy sorry not familiar with WS didn't realize every captain is a fucking Khan
>>44531530
>avatars are literal daemons of eldar
would you care to explain on that for someone who can't into eldar?
>>44540299
They are physical versions of Khaine,so pretty much deamons.
>>44540353
And do you know why they sacrifice one of their own to him?
>>44540299
Exarch's go into a fire.
Come out an avatar.
They pretty much sacrifice themselves to become a greater demon of Khaine
>>44540364
Khaine is a bloodthirsty dick
>>44540364
Avatar is an empty shell, needs. Soul to get it running
>>44540364
BECAUSE KHAINE IS ACTUALLY KHORNE AND BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
>>44540395
The Exarch sacrifice has been a thing since 3rd edition, which is LONG before the 'all gods are reflections of the big four' retcon.
Khaine's just an asshole. He's the god of war and murder, for fucks sake.
>>44531921
>>Skulltaker: jobs to Castellan Crowe
Untrue. Crowe cheated and still didn't even win.
>>44540299
At the moment of the Fall, the Eldar war god Kaela Mensha Khaine supposedly fought the newborn Slaanesh in the warp and lost, but was too powerful to be destroyed outright. Instead he was broken into fragments, each of which entered a craftworld in the material universe to grow into an Avatar. The Avatars are manifestations of Khaine in a similar way to how daemons are fragments of their patron Chaos God - and in-game, the Avatar is explicitly classified as a daemon.
>>44540364
The Young King (the Aspect Warrior chosen as the sacrifice) may merge with the Avatar's spirit or he may just be destroyed, but either way, if the Avatar is to be awakened properly, someone is going to go into its throne room and not come out.
>>44540367
I don't think it is set to be an exarch, some of the sources just say it has to be an aspect warrior.
I think it may be a retelling of the fall of Eldanesh in order to "awaken" the avatar's essence as much as it is a sacrifice.
>>44531596
You say that as if there is something wrong with mortal commanders killing each other. Using the fact CMs killed things they shouldn't have is not a reason they should be unkillable to things that are well within their parameters.
Calgar killing an Avatar by literally just walking up to it and smacking it is so far beyond what he should be allowed to do that it's dumb and killed off Avatars as a cool thing in the fluff just to inflate his dick. Shadowsun killing Severax with actual strategy by baiting him with pawns and shooting him with plasma is not. CMs are not going to no sell being cut in half with plasma nor are they infallible.
>>44531921
Who was it that jobbed to a bloody INQUISITOR again? It was one of the BIGGEST AND BEST Bloodthirsters, but since they pull out a new one of those everytime the previous one inevitably jobs I lost track.
>>44539958
>Avatars are pretty much Greater Daemons those get their asses beat all the time.
So in other words they're just Greater Daemons.
>>44535438
>Looted
Didn't happen. It's one of those 1d4chan-esque pieces of bullshit that gets parroted as fact. The Avatar summoned Orks which were attracted to its warlike presence and ended up following it to battle. That's the opposite of looting.
>>44540704
Yup, for the last couple of editions it has just been an ordinary Aspect Warrior that needs sacrificed, which makes more sense. Losing an entire shrine is not really worth it in the long run.
>>44540987
"Oy, why iz you followen dat big flamin' git?"
"Dunno, just feelz roit. 'e's big and 'e's always getting a roitgud scrap around him."
" 'e killed half da boyz around him hisself, 'e did!"
"Eh, so does any ovver boss."
>>44536217
For now. I could see Slaanesh ending up like he did in Fantasy in a few years...
>>44540364
Khaine is a dick who tried to genocide the Eldar at one point.
>>44540969
An'ggrath, who like all Bloodthirsters is literally unbeatable in close combat (but An'ggrath especially so).
>>44540704
>>44541020
Having looked through various editions, it seems like the only ones where it was an Exarch were 1st and 3rd. The 2nd edition codex, and 4th edition onward, just say "Aspect Warrior". But even if you've only read the later sources, it's an all too easy mistake to make, and one that I made myself earlier.
There's also the confusion caused by conflicting fluff between editions over whether Exarchs retain their physical bodies - the initial change to that may have actually been the reason for the Young King change as well, since it would be hard for an Exarch to strip naked when they *are* their suits. As far as I can make out, current canon is that Exarchs do still have bodies (the Phoenix Lords' habit of leaving behind only empty suits when they die is described as taking Exarch immortality "to an extreme"), however the Young King is still just an Aspect Warrior.
>>44540364
>>44540382
>>44540395
>>44540395
>>44540631
>>44541324
The sacrifice aka the Young King is reference and a symbol to Eldanesh the hero Khaine slaughtered in the War in Heaven. The hero whose blood Khaine was to cursed to have run through his hand for all eternity hence the Bloody Handed God title.
My god, you people are such plebs.
>>44531921
Good thing khorne doesn't care where the blood flows from.
>>44541585
So litrerally Khaine is a dick that tried to genocide Eldar.
>>44541737
The event is after he tried to genocide the Eldar.
He was just pissed that Vaul cheated in delivering the 100 swords as payment for releasing Isha and her husband, and that he gave the best sword out of the 100 to the mortal Eldanesh to KILL HIM.
>>44541773
Wasn't Khaine mad because out of 100 swords,Vault created only 99 and 100th was just made by some mortal?
>>44541788
Vaul made 99 swords and ran out of time. He threw in a mortal sword into the pile and gave them all to Khaine.
While Khaine was busy fighting the Nightbringer, Vaul was working on the 100th sword and the best one. The sword Anaris.
Khaine realized that one of the swords was a fake and he came back to beat up Vaul. Vaul was prepared and wielded Anaris against Khaine.
Khaine defeated Vaul and tied him to his anvil. While Khaine was distracted, Faolchu stole Anaris and gave it to Eldanesh.
Khaine and Eldanesh fought. Khaine murdered Eldanesh and took back Anaris.
Asuryan got pissed and cursed Khaine with having his hand drenched forever with the blood of Eldanesh.
>>44541858
What's with both eldar and night lords letting unsavory dudes live just by grace of painting their hands red?
>>44541858
Asuryan was really light in dolling out punishments huh?
>Okay Khaine, that's it! I've had enough of your shit.
>As punishment for attempted Genocide, kidnapping my wife, kicking the shit out of other Gods and murdering Eldanesh...
>YOUR HAND WILL DRIP STRAWBERRY JAM EVERYWHERE
>IT WILL CAUSE A MESS AND GET EVERYWHERE
>TRY POLISHING YOUR SWORDS WHEN YOUR HAND'S COVERED IN GOO YOU BIG RED FAGGOT
>Asuryan pls
>>44531245
It hurts so bad because The Avatar is one of my favourite things in 40k's entire setting. He is coolest shit ever. A giant metal war totem of fire and wrath who ignites MURDERLUST in his acolytes. He sits in a metal throne awaiting ritual sacrifice so he can take his Red Right Hand and chokeslam a Keeper of Secrets through a table. He's the shit, but as with all powerful demi-gods that don't have a singular personality he's doomed to job.
It's particularly egregious seeing as the first thing the fluff tells you about the setting on page one of the rulebook is that the 40k universe is so massive that individuals don't matter, and yet what always happens whenever monsters like Avatars, Ctan, Greater Daemons and Swarmlords come to play is that some mortal hero kicks their ass. I can think of dozens of times when these huge daemons have jobbed, and hardly any times where they've killed anything noteworthy.
>>44542525
Isha wasn't Asuryans wife, it was her and Kurnous that were married. And Khaine was Asuryans brother so that may explain the going soft.
Or more likely It's just another case of gods being dicks with no real regard for mortals.
>>44542667
She's been referred to as Asuryan's "beloved". Take from that what you will. If they're anything like the Greek Gods there may have been a little passing around of partners.
>>44535631
Deepest lore.
>>44540954
>Calgar killing an Avatar by literally just walking up to it and smacking it is so far beyond what he should be allowed to do that it's dumb and killed off Avatars as a cool thing in the fluff just to inflate his dick.
He smacked it a couple times.
If Severax can get killed by a gun then an Avatar can get killed by magic power fists.
>>44542525
Khaine obviously has Affluenza
Aren't Necron Overlords suppossed to be a big deal in melee? Yet Cato Sicarius made Trazyn his bitch both times he found him.
>>44541591
yeah, because it comes from the asses of blasted Khornates
>>44543709
Space Marines are a big deal too.
Pretty much everything has been defeated by a determined Space Marine at one point.
>>44543404
Except Calgar vs Avatar was a straight-up fight, not tricking him and blowing him to hell.
Calgar wins because, I shit you not, the Wailing Doom gets stuck in Calgar's shoulder plate and he sucker punches the Avatar in the opening. The Wailing Doom. One of the most deadly weapons in the galaxy, able to cut through almost anything. Gets stuck in his shoulder plate instead of just lopping that side of his body off.
The entire 'Battle of Orar's Sepulchre' was a joke, a disservice to both the Eldar and the Ultramarines. One of the first in a long line of the Eldar being portrayed as particularly stupid Orks rather than the super-intelligent, ultra-deadly, unknowable xenos the overall fluff always described them as.
>>44543918
And yet whenever someone else beats a space marine everyone shits themselves.
>>44544148
>Except Calgar vs Avatar was a straight-up fight, not tricking him and blowing him to hell.
Calgar strolled up and smote him in the ass, just like Severax got blasted in the ass.
>Calgar wins because, I shit you not, the Wailing Doom gets stuck in Calgar's shoulder plate
Wrong.
>The Wailing Doom. One of the most deadly weapons in the galaxy, able to cut through almost anything. Gets stuck in his shoulder plate instead of just lopping that side of his body off.
Calgar catches the blade with the gauntlets of Ultramar, and the Avatar cannot overcome his grasp. Then Calgar punches the Avatar right through.
>>44544228
What's your point?
>>44543709
>So it was that Calgar fell upon the Avatar before the other was aware of his presence, and smote the creature a dolorous and terrible blow. Bellowing with fury, the Avatar turned to face its new attacker. Its first strike missed the Chapter Master by a hair's breadth. The second tore a great wound from Calgar's armour. A third drove deep into his shoulder, cleaving the pauldron and driving the Chapter Master to one knee. But the fourth, intended as the coup de grâce to sever Calgar's head from his shoulders, slammed into the armoured palm of Calgar's left hand.
>>44544320
And that was obviously meant for >>44544148
>>44543709
> Yet Cato Sicarius made Trazyn his bitch both times he found him.
What? Are you confused?
Cato got his ass handed to him when he fought the Phaeron Undying. He managed to kill Flayed King in Damnos round 2.
The Marine who faced Trazyn and defeated him two times is Forgefather Vulkan He'stan, you smurf dick sucking degenerate. I wouldn't consider it an achievement because Trazyn is known not to apply himself in combat.
>>44531596
In all fairness tau have to deal with stuff like:
>Space marine bikers ride up a hive wall and jump almost a hundred feet into the air landing on a tau weapons platform to melee the tau to death
>Tau somehow forget to check the trail of dead bodies and allow a spaceship to pass through their massive AA defenses allowing an assassin to kill the leader of the tau faction and a bunch of ethereals
>1-3 emplaced guns fire out of a hive MILLIONS OF TAU DEAD
Lots of that crap. It's almost guardsman tier slaughter even when tau win.
>>44538838
Cypher is the only invincible being.
>>44544320
>>44544261
Daily reminder that "fabled Gauntlets of Ultramar" once belonged to the Khornate champion
>>44538838
Im pretty sure that Chaos Gods are just playing with him
>>44544676
Yeah, but at least they don't glow with Khorne's power like the Axe Morkai.
Calgar kills include:
>M'kar the Reborn
>The Avatar of Khaine
>The Swarmlord
>An'ggrath the Unbound
What conquest is next for the Lord Macragge?
>>44544778
>M'kar the Reborn
>The Avatar of Khaine
>The Swarmlord
These guys will reborn eventually. Not really an achievement
>>44544799
>Not really an achievement
Except a great martial one.
>>44544765
The Axe of Morkai was broken and reforged at least two times.
Each time the smith uses runes and Fenris's magic to break the Khornate power within and subdue it. The is consider a great insult to the Blood God and a message to him that no power in the universe that is beyond the retribution of the Wolves. Khorne rages at the thief and enslavement of a portion of his power, and to this day considers the Great Wolf his most hated mortal enemy.
This novel is about the reforging of the axe
http://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/prod-home-bl/arjac-rockfist-ebook.html
What purifying or magical measures did he Ultramarines use on the gauntlets?
>>44544854
considered*
Theft*
>>44544854
>What purifying or magical measures did he Ultramarines use on the gauntlets?
They're not corrupt so it is unnecessary. .
>>44544826
These are named version of unnamed mooks. And Calgar is the GREATEST SPACE MARINE EVER so he should kill, I dont know maybe a demonic Primarch?
>>44544854
The spells of COURAGE AND HONOUR
>>44544873
>These are named version of unnamed mooks. And Calgar is the GREATEST SPACE MARINE EVER so he should kill, I dont know maybe a demonic Primarch?
He killed M'kar, who is stronger than Daemon Mortarion. He killed the Swarmlord who is the pinnacle of Tyranid Evolution. He killed An'ggrath the Unbound who is Khorne's mightiest servant.
All in all pretty good.
>>44544871
>Leandros : You cannot touch the warp and emerge unscathed
The codex is clear on this matter, anon.
>>44544926
It did not touch the warp though, just a mortal champion.
>>44544905
>An'ggrath the Unbound who is Khorne's mightiest servant.
Any source of it?
Last time I checked Doombread was the best
>e killed M'kar, who is stronger than Daemon Mortarion.
his only achievement is dying to Ultras
>>44544905
>He killed the Swarmlord who is the pinnacle of Tyranid Evolution
Maybe when it comes to overall performance/biomass required. He has no chance agains a biotitan
>>44544951
A mortal champion who is probably radiating with corruption and most definitely has been into Warp.
>>44544926
Space Wolves confirmed warp-tainted then.
>>44544926
>implying the Gauntlets wouldn't just accept Spiritual Liege as their master
>>44544990
Nien!
The warp taint is kept in check by the runes and the frosty power of Fenris.
>>44544969
>Last time I checked Doombread was the best
Doombreed was never the best, just one of Khorne's first princes.
>his only achievement is dying to Ultras
He's done more than that, not least of which was banishing Kaldor Draigo to the Warp. Anyway, he's still stronger than Mortarion and Calgar ripped him apart limb from limb.
>Maybe when it comes to overall performance/biomass required.
In general, this is stated in the Nid codex.
>>44544980
>A mortal champion who is probably
Don't assume, mister.
>>44544969
Not him but...
>Last time I checked Doombread was the best
Check again. Doombreed is a daemon prince and was never stated to be the greatest among Khorne's servants.
An'ggrath is stated to be the greatest and most powerful Bloodthister in IA :Siege of Vraks and Blood Oath.
>his only achievement is dying to Ultras
And giving Draigo a better fight than Morty.
>Maybe when it comes to overall performance/biomass required. He has no chance agains a biotitan
I don't think so. Bio-tians are pushovers. A C'tan shard tore a Bio-titan apart with contemptuous ease and went on with its business like nothing happened.
>>44545079
Have you met a Chaos champion not leaking with vile corruption?
>>44544765
that has to be ugliest most poorly desing miniature that was ever created by the covetous jews
In GW, its better to be mortal than immortal.
Mortal characters can't lose, or else they would be gone.
Immortal characters can be beaten over and over again.
>>44545100
>And giving Draigo a better fight than Morty.
Draigo is his own level of bullshit
>An'ggrath is stated to be the greatest and most powerful Bloodthister in IA :Siege of Vraks and Blood Oath.
Is this the book where he gets BTFO by Calgar?
>I don't think so. Bio-tians are pushovers. A C'tan shard tore a Bio-titan apart with contemptuous ease and went on with its business like nothing happened.
C'tan are gods.
>>44545183
>Draigo is his own level of bullshit
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can discount it.
Fact remains is that Calgar has defeated daemon primarch + level foes.
>>44545137
Wolf you say?
>>44539985
>this is what the heretics actually believe
>>44540001
He conquered dead and it's still fighting by sheer force of will
>>44544649
He have being defeated and captured by the DA
>>44544697
This is what daemons actually believe
>>44544320
I like the acts of individual heroism that it talks about, but Ward always had somewhat cringey, over the top writing - though I'm glad that the fact that Calgar did so well was due to his gauntlets, not any real particular skill.
Why was only the Ultramarines chapter involved? You think the Sons of Orar would have gotten in on defended Orar's Sepulchre.
>>44543404
>Out-punching a Daemon of punching is comparable to shooting a mortal in the back with plasma
>>44545486
>Why was only the Ultramarines chapter involved? You think the Sons of Orar would have gotten in on defended Orar's Sepulchre.
The galaxy is a big place. It wasn't a battle on Armato or anything.
>>44545630
>God of war kills fragment of dead god of war.
>>44545486
>Ward always had somewhat cringey, over the top writing
Too musculous for you?
>>44545486
It just seems quite silly, that a whole bunch of Terminators and heavy weaponry do nothing to the Avatar, yet Calgar just walks up to him, takes a few blows and then outright one-shots the Avatar. I mean, if the punch with the Gauntlets of Ultramar is enough to destroy the Avatar, why are the heavy weapons doing nothing? Shouldn't you just be able to line up a few tanks and mow it down then with some shells? It just doesn't make much sense.
>>44545673
>Taking titles literally
Ascend, God of Shitposting.
>>44545972
>I mean, if the punch with the Gauntlets of Ultramar is enough to destroy the Avatar, why are the heavy weapons doing nothing?
Calgar is strong as fuck. He lifts Necron Pylons and can punch at strength D.
>>44546069
Yeah, but can he out-punch an artillery shell?
>>44546213
Yes.
>>44544799
Avatars don't come back though. There's only a few fragments in every craftworld, and you lose the fragment when the Avatar dies.
>>44545137
That ain't the Taurox
>>44546471
Nope, the Avatar is stated to reform on its throne if killed.
The only way to kill the Avatar is to destroy the Craftworld it calls home.
>>44545716
Ugh. It has this attempt at grandeur, trying to sound like some epic saga, but it just comes off as trying too hard. It's aping something more fitting, and we can feel it doesn't match what we want - this epic story doesn't care about details or realism, just being awesome. Guy kills fifty dudes with one blow because it shows you he's badass. Problem comes when it's not awesome, and we don't want that sort of over the top shit that's several hundred years out of date.
>>44546652
Well I like it.
>>44546537
Taurox is bretty good overall, but the thing that ruins that model are those treads
>>44546803
If you like it, I can see why you like it. The epic tone does fit with 40k. I just don't like it and don't think it's as well done as it could be.
