Post cards that will always make you groan externally.
Pic very related.
>>44522534
My friends say forbid its anti-fun when I cast, while they play stripmines with crucible and suntitan
>>44522694
>a counter spell
>having to ditch two cards to buy it back
>anti fun
I'm willing to bet they bitch at most counters don't they?
>>44522822
Apparently obliterates and omniscience combo is fine but when I counter their spells 3 times in a row I'm a monster
>>44522879
But it's not even that special of a counter.
The one that irritates my friends is daze.
>>44522931
Magic players have that special ability to bitch about the littlest things
>>44522534
>Cast this turn 3 in EDH
>Use reasembling skeleton and basically win.
I love this card but I find it pretty dicky. Seriously if the people who have enchantment removal don't acquire artifact mana sources it's just gg, and good deck can probably win in a few turns after this is set down.
>>44523009
If you have ways to keep it in the board, if you have it in the deck I imagine you do, this thing is way more oppressive than blood moon, which is already really hated
![traumatize[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bpllYBM.jpg "traumatize[1].jpg")
Question, in EDH, when you have really good cards you want to put in your deck, how do you decide which cards to take out?
Do you switch cards with similar cmc? Or utility?
>>44523078
Thats literally the worst part of EDH for me, It breaks my heart to have to take some cards out, I always go by powerlevel/utility
>>44523101
The worst part is when you take out a card with amazing art you love to include a superior version with shitty art.
>>44523043
yeah it sits in my Teysa EDH sideboard of "don't run unless going full asshole" along with darkest hour and few tutors and other control cards.
>>44523078
Utility and powerlevel.
Althought it's a little more complex that. I mean if card B is just card A but even better, than you switch them regardless.
But if they are of the same powerlevel but one is much cheaper than the other or you want a lot of utility then maybe switching by CMC to keep the curve light is the right idea.
>>44523153
>Have foil Notion Thief that looks amazing
>Can't play because group is all green decks with maybe one or two spells who say draw
It hurts
It also hurts not being able to play nimbus maze, which I freaking love because of the art, because the mana base doesn't help
>>44523153
>Loves Telling time art because Scott M. Fischer
>Antecipate only has poop art
Ugh
My playgroup unconditionally starts bitching at me when I play this.
Mostly because my main deck is Nekusar.
>>44523277
If I have a Notion Thief and my opponent has a Consecrated Sphinx, does that create an infinite loop that ends when I mill out?
>>44523530
Nekusar is the worst commander. Whenever my friend plays that deck we all instantly kill him first.
It's the least fun thing to play against.
>>44523707
Sphinx is a may
>>44523707
>you MAY draw two cards
>>44523728
>>44523737
But if the opponent keeps saying yes, would that not mill my deck?
>>44523758
I need a judge, my brain is not working right now
>>44523804
>>44523758
yes, your opponent chooses, never play notion thief without a laboratory maniac in edh
>>44523707
Here's the interaction:
>I play Notion Thief in response to opp's draw effect, opp has a Consecrated Sphinx.
>Draw effect resolves, I draw instead, CS triggers.
>Opp may allow the CS triggers to resolve. They resolve separately, and each time one does, Notion Thief replaces it with me drawing a card.
>This provokes CS triggers again.
What happens is that CS will trigger as often as the opponent wants it to, basically, and that if he wants a lot of cards, he can have them.
The fun bit here is that since everything is trigger based, and because for each 1 card I draw with Notion Thief, the opp will draw two (assuming a greedy opponent who doesn't get the interaction), I can draw cards with Notion Thief until I find a way to remove the Thief *and* there are enough unresolved draw triggers from CS to deck the opponent.
It's a funny interaction and I have some Vintage buddies who abuse it.
>>44522534
Shut up Neil, this card is fair as fuck. It's not my fault you niggers don't run enough mana rocks to get around. SCOOP BITCH NIGGA, SCOOP!
>>44524087
>"post a card that will always make you groan externally"
>starts defending the card's fairness
Wew lad, I said nothing about posting cards that are unfair. Just cards that really irk you.
Counter spells and mill spells really trigger people but they're not saying anything about fair.
>>44523530
It's okay, people who get butthurt over Nekusar love to assume every way but how they win is cancer or something.
EDH HELP NEEDED
This is my Lazav deck. It wins either with mill or using my opponent's deck against him, I want as much synergy as possible.
Now I just bought new cards, and I don't know what to take out to make room for these cards:
>Whip of Erebos
>Jace Memory Adept
>Hedron Crab
>Consuming Aberration (instakill with Traumatize + Lazav on the field)
>Dreamborn Muse
>Keening Stone (instakill with Traumatize)
Thanks in advance.
>>44523530
My Necro.
>>44523277
Bag this pretty little thing! :<
>>44523725
>Nekusar is not fun to play against
You've obviously never played against Narset.
>>44524714
Don't worry, he is sitting pretty comfy by my foil Teysa's side
>>44525059
hue
>>44522879
point out to them that you are spending two cards to counter one. You can only do that buy back a few times before it basically costs you the game even with heavy draw support.
>>44525634I generally try getting english cards, but sometimes there is only the hue version, oh well
>>44525858
I would always go for foreign cards as they are cheaper, and i am a cheap ass.
>>44524466
put it into gatherer so I don't have to stare at a picture for ants and try to rack my brains toremember card art.
>>44523277
Bro
look here >>44523530
>>44522534
Why does pic related make you groan exactly?
Cards that only new players would put in a deck>pic very related
>>44526305
because presumably you are not playing black, and now all your lands now produce black mana.
>>44526305
Most of the time it stops other players from playing magic
>>44526305
>playing EDH
>monoblack player 1 drops this
>players 2 and 3 do not have black in their commander colors
>player 4 is tri color, with black
>players 2/3 can no longer pay non-colorless mana costs
>player 4 can only play (assumably) one third of his deck
>player 1 plays as if nothing had happened
>>44526494
Ah, lol that does make me groan
>>44525824
>implying he isn't playing UG with Prophet of Kruphix and Consecrated Sphinx in play
>implying they will ever get to resolve a spell again
>>44523963
No, Notion Thief is a replacement effect, Sphinx is a trigger, if you're dumb enough to play a thief with sphinx on board then you will get killed by milling yourself.
>>44523078
that flavor text always gets me.
>>44522694
>>44522822
>>44522879
>>44522931
>>44522992
>>44523009
Magic the Gathering IS anti-fun, now go buy more pieces or cardboard goyim.
>>44522694
This card is so bad. I'd groan at someone if they played it because they bad
>>44522694
This card is only groan worthy in edh
>>44524466
>WHAT IS THIS? A DECK FOR ANTS?
>>44522534
This is pretty irritating.
>44526305
If you're not playing mono black and can't counter it, you're stunlocked out of the game.
>>44524466
Y'all need Undead Alchemist for shits and gigs
>>44526371
Apparently in the original design you could bounce it for WUBRG, and R&D found that it was way too good, so we got this shitfest last-minute.
>>44526371
Why would a new player put this in his/her deck? I feel like only old school players that like brewing would find a home for this.
>>44526371
I'm gonna put it in one of my EDH decks.
It's FIve Color Bad Stuff though, starring Karona.
Still trying to figure out what other kinds of stupid shit to shove in there.
>>44528513
You're underestimating how badly new players want to make unplayable garbage rares good, or at least do something.
This faggot
>>44529125
Should be banned as a commander desu senpai.
Too much combo potential and too little counterplay. Because muh on cast and muh instant speed sacrifice.
>>44527361
>one of my favorite cards in edh
>People always get their panties in a bunch
I understand that it is a very oppressive card, but it's not unbeatable. Must instant speed removal takes care of it, as long as you time it right.
I've taken to running venser instead for blink shenanigans.
The things I do for the sake of fun.
>>44526371
That card is less than worthless.
I pulled it as my prerelease promo.
I understand the whole "bad cards have to exist" thing, but goddamn. I didnt know r&d hired from first step
>>44529920
Wow that's sure awful
I can see why it's illegal, might as well just run 59/60
>>44529920
Of course I forget the picture
>>44529305
Lol. As a prossh player I agree he's bullshit but he's got a lot of more bullshit commanders ahead of him in line for bans.
>>44529977
Such as?
>>44531254
Not him, but Narset and Derevi spring to mind.
>>44529305
okay I'm a noobie to magic but why does "on cast" make him any better than ETB? Countering him is still countering him.
>>44531661
Because an on-cast trigger means even if he's countered you get the tokens - and in a Prossh deck you're likely to have some other outlets than just Prossh himself for those tokens entering and leaving the battlefield.
>>44526371
But anon, it has all 5 colors on it! It MUST be powerful!
>>44532358
OH WHAT?
I've been playing wrong then on the tabletop, holy shit.
>>44532680
Note that on-cast triggers are rare compared to enter the battlefield triggers (which ARE cancelled by counterspells, since they never hit the battlefield)
>>44532680
A lot of cast triggers are on things other than the spell itself, mind you. For example, if you cast something targetting something with Heroic, it'll set off the Heroic ability regardless of if the spell was countered or not.
Same with something like Angel's Feather or Phantasmal Bear - simply targetting the bear will kill it, the spell's gonna be countered regardless, and you countering the spell won't save it.
And of course, Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul, if hardcast, will get their cast triggers off.
>>44532842
>>44532951
Thanks guys, this explains a lot (I was wondering why ulamog was so expensive)
Just to make sure I'm playing right, Cast means spending their corner mana cost right?
Is there any other ways you can "cast" something?
>>44522694
you're using madness right?
>>44532991
Casting means paying the mana cost, yes. Look at the cards, and if it says 'my cast it without paying its mana cost' that's casting it. If it just says to put it onto the battlefield, that doesn't work for cast triggers. If it says anything about playing, check Gatherer for the oracle text.
>>44529419
Bad cards don't have to exist to anywhere near the amount they do to make limited work, they're mostly so people buy packs.
>>44532991
Here's all you need to know about casting a spell. http://www.mysticaltutor.org/index.php/16-lessons/spells/22-casting-a-spell-overview
>>44532991
There are several other ways to cast things. There are cards like the hideaways, fist of the suns and intet that still let you cast the card for different costs or in intet's case no mana at all. There is also mechanics like Overload which change the amount your are paying but still cast the card. Even if you have something like an Animar with 11 +1/+1 counters on it you could also pay zero mana for ulamog. When the wording on the ability that is play the card for a different cost says you may 'play' or 'cast', then you are casting that card. As apposed to cards that say put onto the battlefield in which case you aren't casting them.
>>44533503
Or more importantly because it's easy. Yes they have to put to out a huge number of cards every year but honestly anyone could do that if it was their full time job and they were allowed to put like 75% jank in. It even simplifies the development phase since things that are obviously not great don't require very much playtesting and in the end it doesn't even matter if the power level for the remaining 25% isn't completely even since "bad cards are good for the game." The job description is basically "get paid for coming up with ten keywords and avoiding creating anything that completely warps a format... but if you do that it's ok, we'll just ban it, so just keep writing down those cute +1/+1 counter keyword ideas and slapping them on grey ogres." Magic is still a great game but it's basically entirely because of Garfield's ability to make a compelling system, the card design component has always been terrible and will always be terrible for as long as it makes them all of the money.
