Gentlemen
How do we save Steampunk?
Actually add the punk back in.
And the fucking steam for that matter.
It isn't "shitty version of victorian aesthetics"-punk (though victorian aesthetics do tie in with steam power well). Really we just have to remove the whole need for random overcomplicated machinery made to look complex, and the fetishizing of it.
By taking it out behind the shed and putting a mercy bullet between its rabid eyes.
>>44422038
You do not need to save something that is not in danger.
>>44422038
By leaving it alone and not posting anymore this stupid topic.
>>44422038
We don't. The "punk" was never part of it, and only added as a buzzword to get people interested in jingoistic Brit wankery.
Plus, I've answered this question at least three times already, and steampunk is still crap.
>>44422055
/thread
>>44422054
It was never there to begin with, but I wouldn't say you're wrong
What steampunk really needs is a good couple of works - something you can look at and say "yes, THAT is a steampunk work, and it is a quality product".
It doesn't help that it's already a nebulous term with dumb origins (a few writers looking for a catchy term for their style of story) but the lack of a nice solid work that can be considered somewhat definitive hurts.
The Difference Engine doesn't really count - it's not the "first steampunk book", and it's not all that good either, even by the authors' admission
>>44422157
>What steampunk really needs is a good couple of works - something you can look at and say "yes, THAT is a steampunk work, and it is a quality product".
There is one, but no one ever mentions to it. It's called The Court of the Air.
>>44422157
The tendency of "steampunks" to just grab anything they fancy, and declare it steampunk after the fact pisses me off. Some of these assholes will legit cite Jules Verne as a "steampunk author".
>>44422054
>Actually add the punk back in.
So something like Malifaux or Bioshock Infinity?
>>44422038
By letting it fucking die and moving on to the true god-tier punk aesthetic:
Dieselpunk
>>44422157
That's a big train.
>>44422038
Is it sad when I think punk,I think edgy?
Let it die, steampunk is incredibly stupid. There's no correct way to do it
>>44422251
We're planning to crash it
>>44422256
Isn't that punk means? They were always trying to be edgy, that's all punk was about. They were the 70s version of edgemasters.
>>44422157
We will always have Arcanum.
>>44422277
I don't think of Steampunk like that, because isn't it victoria aesthetics with steam power? Or am I missing something?
>>44422197
That is a bit of a dick move, certainly
Verne is fantastic for inspiration, but he was a sci-fi author - that he wrote over a hundred years ago, and his futuristic visions are in our past, both in setting and in capabilities doesn't change that.
>>44422071
This.
There is nothing wrong with steampunk currently. You merely dislike one groups INTERPRETATION of the concept.
It's like saying you hate fantasy because game of thrones made it edgy even though there are 100 million billion different fantasy stories and universes you could enjoy instead. Seriously fuck off.
>>44422271
Will there be any survivors?
>>44422333
>There is nothing wrong with steampunk currently.
Apart from the lack of punk.
>>44422038
1:STOP CALLING IT STEAMPUNK
LET THAT WORD DIE,ITS RETARDED
2: LET IT DIE. SO WE CAN HAVE PSEUDO VICTORIAN SETTINGS IN THE FUTURE THAT DONT SUCK ASS.
Steampunk as seen at conventions and photoshoots is not 'punk' because nobody wants to be a chimneysweep, a scullery maid with consumption or a Belgian anarchist.
People want to dress as classy ladies, brilliant engineers or dashing explorers in pith helmets.
>>44422224
Is Malifaux really steampunk?
Sure it has 19th century setting with high tech stuff, but the technology runs on magic, not steam
>>44422038
There is nothing wrong with steampunk. The endless bitching about it is nothing more than people sperging about badwrongfun and is indicative of a contrary elitism that demands all things cater to a specific taste even when said person demanding the changes is under no obligation to take part or is free to do their own thing with steampunk. You want to be a bunch of rabble-rousers and anarchists charging the Maxim guns of the factory owners during a strike, fine, but you don't get to tell anyone else that they can't be a globe-trotting adventurer on an airship.
By making it harder.
Instead of calling "sticking gears to everything" steampunk, the goal is "recreate victoria-era techs in modern aesthetics" or some variations of this.
That is, steampunk should focus more on the actual techologies that made it great instead of the look of said techs.
>>44422410
If cyberpunk was all about being corporate bigwigs and corrupt congressmen passing laws to shit on the internet then people who like actual cyberpunk would be pretty annoyed too.
Personally as someone who does not give a shit about working class rabble rousers I would prefer the term go away or be separated so I can go on wonderful adventures and steal diamonds from forgotten temples without the baggage of the punk term.
>>44422038
>White people pining for a time where they were destroying other cultures and preaching out their racial superiority for having "The White Man's Burdern"
Steampunk should honestly be treated the same way we treat Southern Neo-Confederates and the Confederate Flag.
>>44422462
>muh colonialism
>>44422462
Back to tumblr with you
>>44422442
What's true Cyberpunk btw?
>>44422487
Johnny Mnemonic. The Sprawl Trilogy. Snow Crash.
>>44422487
Pre-Apple Cyberpunk is Neo-Noir with neon highlights.
Post-Apple Cyberpunk is true Cyberpunk.
>>44422442
Cyberpunk has a similar problem in that people bitch when it's something other than a bunch of burnt-out societal dregs against a faceless corporate aristocracy. Hell, last cyberpunk thread on /tg/ I participated in had several people agreeing that there should only be two character types in cyberpunk, the destitute and hyperrich corporate executives.
>>44422410
assblasted cogfop detected
Go back to gluing gears on shit you bought at a dollar store and trying to sell it on etsy.
>>44422462
>>44422516
Id say Blade Runner had a lot of noir too
Same as Deus Ex has all the corporate corruption illuminati stuff
>>44422038
Can we let things run their natural goddamn course just this once?
I'm getting pretty fucking tired of "waaaa I want to save my niche interest but I want other people to do the actual work".
>>44422519
>I want to cosplay, but don't want to put anymore effort into it than than throwing on a pair of dirty overalls
I'm sorry I offended you, the One True and Honest Steampunk.
>>44422544
>muh cosplay
>muh LARP
>>44422558
Cry more, Captain Fandom Police.
>>44422309
I'm also getting kind of triggered by all these firmly 20th century things in steampunk. Zeppelins, those broad-track trains, all the WWI stuff that you usually encounter.
Especially WWI, because that conflict marks the absolute death of the "old age". In fact, its inexperienced, glory-hound generals and royals in their silly uniforms with a fantasy of fighting the next Napoleonic war, with territory gains and everything, is about as anti-steampunk as it gets. You could literally just take WWI as is, and use it as a biting deconstruction of everything steampunk stands for.
And then you get Dieselpunk, which lays claim to the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's. Especially the latter is confusing, because at that point you're just moving in on Raygun Gothic, like Fallout. I suppose you could call it "Atompunk", if you're unimaginative.
But the real problem is that none of these are based on the technology they claim. I've seen steampunk art of machines that didn't even have a fucking boiler. I'm OK with stretching the limits and making giant robots and stuff, but if you're going to slap steam-powered bionic arms on people, I need a little more to go on.
It's all "rule of cool", and zero substance. That's what makes the cyberpunk piggybackers so dull.
>>44422462
>implying constantly protecting the "people of colour" from muh ebil whitey isn't exactly what the White Man's Burden is about.
>>44422587
We could just call it all "retrofuturism" to avoid confusion
>>44422544
>>44422584
>>>etsy
>>44422595
Ignorance and Vice are on there twice
>>44422584
>it's still okay to call it -punk if there's nothing even remotely rebellious in it
>>44422595
Isn't Hawaii PART of america?
>>44422624
Not when that was made.
>>44422624
It was only a relatively recent part when that picture was made. And it was basically stolen by some American businessmen.
>>44422587
There is not enough Raygun Gothic stuff.
>>44422595
Pretty art
>>44422614
>Ignorance and Vice are on there twice
I like ignorance and vice!
>>44422054
>And the fucking steam for that matter.
Code S.T.E.A.M. did a good job with this by making the steam the action point system.
Also it had a great pulp comic feel to it. It was a two tale about kick ass not being some upper class flop in a gear encrusted top hat.
>>44422624
No. Obama lied to you.
>>44422654
>There is not enough Raygun Gothic stuff.
Sanguine Kickstarted an RG supplement for Urban Jungle.
>It was only a relatively recent part when that picture was made.
It wasn't a full State (ergo, actually civilised) until 1959.
>>44422587
Steampunk usually goes right through the Belle Epoch to the beginning of WWI, so you've got 14 years worth of 20th century stuff to work with. There is nothing wrong with having nuclear power in dieselpunk either. Nothing has clean breaks, even in the real world. We had nightvision scopes in WWII, UAVs in WWI, and prop planes in Vietnam. Raygun Gothic has its roots in the 1920s.
You're also forgetting that a work can intentionally straddle lines, Fallout is dieselpunk, Raygun Gothic, post-apoc, with a sprinkling of 70s and 80s dystopian fiction.
>>44422614
>implying -punk isn't just a bunch of middle-class kids going through a contrarian phase.
>>44422624
>>44422654
It actually didn't become a full state until 1959, a full 60 years after that political cartoon was created.
>>44422587
Call it neo-victorian then if you prefer. To which stuff like the diamond age would apply. The tech might be nanological but the social values are decidedly victorian.
Beside if you're go on about on the steam angle remember even today's nuclear submarines and power plants are 'steam powered'. They may use fission reactions rather then burning coal but they still just warm water and sent it through turbines.
>>44422719
>4chan has been punk central all along
Well, I suppose I'd better go kick some nonce's head in or something.
>>44422587
>broad-track trains
That, at least, is a steam thing - it was Brunel's preferred gauge, and was considered for the UK's standard for a time, but standardisation went for the smaller one.
There's also the introduction of Zeppelins in the 1880s, but it certainly didn't mature as a technology until the 20's
But on the whole, yeah, the anachronisms are kind of odd for steam and clockwork, when more often diesel and electromechanical things are shown, but it's mostly because a) people don't really know about the tech, and b) there's not all that much to know about
Still, it's not like you can't have robots and shit - this one existed, for example.
It's not really a robot, but it walks (because of the wheels), and is steam powered, while automata that can perform preset actions have existed for centuries, so combining them isn't out of the realms of possibility
>>44422845
The name of the guy who invented it wouldn't really be believable if he didn't actually exist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadoc_Dederick
>>44422845
>Steam punk shouldn't have tech that wasn't around in the 1800s
…. just wow man.
>>44422845
>when more often diesel and electromechanical things are shown
Electrical generators and internal combustion engines both date back to the Victorian era. Hell, hydroelectric power predates chemical fertilizers.
>>44422394
>Steam archanids
>Steamborgs
>Miners & Steamfitters Union
Yeah, there's steam power.
>>44422462
Why do girls pretend to like steampunk? Is it the pretty dresses and the excuse for portraying the frail femininity feminism killed?
>>44422997
Yes.
>>44422997
>WE'RE CLAIMING CORSETS FROM MEN, THEY BELONG TO US NOW, OH HEY CHAD, YOU LIKE HOW MY A-CUP BOOBS ARE JUST BUSTING OUT OF MY BODICE?
Yes
>>44422908
I did not say that. In fact, I was replying to the guy that said that, getting all flustered about WWI tech all in his steampunk
>>44422909
They do, but the period was also 60 odd years long and saw a hell of a lot of inventions, pic related - though that is again invention, not much development
>>44422054
>Actually add the punk back in.
Based anon got it before I was anywhere close.
>>44422054
Victorian clothing needs to be contained to the parties and rich folk. Engineers should dress like engineers, not like people ready for a party in their finest despite how much the work is going to ruin their clothes.
>>44422658
Political cartoons used to be so much better.
>>44422909
>Hell, hydroelectric power predates chemical fertilizers
Yep, and the house that had it is pretty fucking sweet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cragside
And seeing as the guy who had it built made his money from engineering and armaments, so it's about as fitting as can be - unless the guy being rich breaks it for you, I guess
>>44423067
The "punk" was never a part of steampunk, Anon.
>>44423216
Apart from being RIGHT THERE IN THE WORD.
>>44423227
OK, tardo, let me explain it for you: Steampunk was named after cyberpunk, because cyberpunk was the up and coming genre at that point. It didn't spring from the same themes.
You can't put punk BACK in steampunk, because IT WAS NEVER THERE. You're suggesting the impossible, because there is no mythical era when steampunk was meaningful fiction with a set theme. It always was mindless cogfoppery and Britwanking. You can only suggest actually making the genre worthwhile by using its themes to actually say something.
>>44423271
>actually believing this shit
>>44422038
We remove Americans from it.
>>44423286
>not believing literal fact, as stated by the people who created this genre
How can you be so fucking stupid? Literally one trip to wikipedia proves you wrong.
>>44423227
"team" is in the word as well, doesn't mean that has anything to do with it.
Punk was never a part of steampunk - it BEGAN as a dumb naming convention for "victorian fantasies... writing in the 'gonzo-historical manner' "
The term was coined in a letter to a magazine, with an author looking for a catchy word - given that cyberpunk, with all it's tech, was big at the time, the -punk naming convention (being based on predominant tech, rather than any actual punks) was established:
"Personally, I think Victorian fantasies are going to be the next big thing, as long as we can come up with a fitting collective term for Powers, Blaylock and myself. Something based on the appropriate technology of the era; like 'steam-punks', perhaps -K.W. Jeter"
Punks have pretty much nothing to do with steampunk
>>44423302
>literally being this butthurt that somebody wants there to be something in a genre that justifies the name
>>44423324
>hurdur butthurt
Anon, you're wrong. Plainly, provably wrong. Just admit it instead of smearing yourself in shit and declaring yourself the victor because no-one wants to touch you.
>>44423324
And you chose punks over steam?
>>44423343
>smearing yourself in shit and declaring yourself the victor because no-one wants to touch you.
Isn't that the cornerstone of Steampunk, provided you replace shit with gears?
>>44423351
You stay away from shitpunk! That's MY invention, and MINE ALONE.
>>44423355
SEAPUNK
I think you all need to define what punk means when it's used this way. The punk movement of the 70's and 80's was in response to counter culture sentimentality. Primarily youth that were lashing out against the more dominate culture. The philosophy inherent in the movement was expressed intuitively and fundamentally through art, rather than through careful deliberation like philosophers off the past, because one of the problems punk had was with bureaucracy and things being too slow to change. Because punk was expressed in such an intuitive artistic way, philosophically aesthetics were very important to punk. Hence the Mohawks, studded leather, and dirt. Of course there was also the music. Cyberpunk as a genre is a world framed with the same fundamental problems, a minority counter culture that must struggle against the complacent masses. Except instead of regular corporations, you have MEGA corporations, and instead of piercings and leather jackets, you have genetically trans formative makeup and neon weave clothes. Besides it's fantasy value, the place of technology is also philosophically fundamental, because it is representative of a change in society, and works as an infrastructure for the social change that's occurring. That is, technology changes the way we live, people start to act different.
>>44423397
With regard to aesthetics, the only reason steampunk has become so focused on glamour is because of what this anon >>44422378
said. However even then it is still obvious that just like real punk, cyberpunk is based heavily on aesthetics. In snow crash Lagos is covered in surveillance equipment and a mobile terminal, not because it's practical, but because he's a literal embodiment of the counter culture adaptation to technology. In Trans-metropolitan Spider Jerusalem wears his iconic glasses not because they look cool, but because it's a visual representation of his disinterest in getting his technology to work perfectly. Steampunk is no different in it's regards to aesthetics. But unlike real punk, or cyberpunk, it's set in a time period where people are not trying to be counter culture. The ideal of the time is still to be a proper and educated gentleman/lady. This in it's own way serves as a philosophical backdrop with which to analyze the times. The inherent corruption, hedonism, and inequality of the upper classes was still admired and desired, not rejected, even though someone trying to emulate that must still realize it's inherent flaws.
If you want to address the aspect of anachronisms, that's simply because most people aren't historians, and trying to imagine how life actually worked prior to WW1, so it's easier to condense different technologies into a smaller range in time. The same critisms can be made of cyberpunk. We depict future cultures as perhaps, having an equivalent to a cell phone, when they might just have brain implants that let them communicate telepathically. The only difference is with steam punk we have the hindsight to be able to say "no, that's not how it worked", where with cyberpunk we lack the foresight to say "that's not how it WILL work"
You don't. You let it die. You don't forcefully keep something alive after it runs its course.
>>44423403
So, to try and bring it all together, you can't argue that steam punk isn't "punk" because it's not dirty or gritty. The concept of punk when broken down, is a commentary on culture, viewed through the lens of aestheticism, which is exactly what steam punk is.
That being said, it would be nice if more people dressed as coal miners, and didn't glue gears to everything.
>>44423355
That exists and has multiple published RPGs.
>>44423403
>In snow crash Lagos is covered in surveillance equipment and a mobile terminal, not because it's practical, but because he's a literal embodiment of the counter culture adaptation to technology.
He wears that shit because he's fucking weird. Literally nobody but the CIC (A megacorp) likes him. Not our counter-culture hero, not nobody. He's not a cyberpunk, he's one of those guys who bought Google Glass to be a tester for Google.
>>44422054
>>44422587
>I've seen steampunk art of machines that didn't even have a fucking boiler. I'm OK with stretching the limits and making giant robots and stuff, but if you're going to slap steam-powered bionic arms on people, I need a little more to go on.
this. For me missing "steam" is even worse than no "punk". There are very few things as beautiful as perfectly working well-oiled machine doing effortlessly work of hundred men and changing the world as we know it in the process. Sad little cogs glued to some shitty Victorians cosplay without being attached to their peers nor able to move with no point or purpose in their lives triggers me so much. I guess its easier to technobabble stuff in more modern settings, but some "steampunk" gizmos doesn't even make the slightest sense.
>>44423403
I've always had a problem with Transmet as cyberpunk, because Spider Jerusalem is not a punk. He's an overprivileged, "cool", rich crybaby who only succeeds at shit because the plot demands it. I found the comic to be utterly unappealing, and typical for the supposed "rebellion" of soft upper middle class kiddies.
Borrow bits of the aesthetic and put it in other games, don't have only steampunk.
>>44423435
you are incorrect. Nobody likes him because he's a gargoyle. Hiro even becomes a pseudo gargoyle. He is not testing his equipment, it's fundamental to his job as someone who sells intelligence to the CiC.
But I think by arguing with me you have already reinforced my point, in the more traditional punk sense he is part of the counter culture of that world because he doesn't care about being liked. He could just as easily take his money, find a wife and a place in the burbs, but that's not for him.
Regardless if either of our interpretations are more objectively correct than each other, you're arguing about his hypothetical character, not him as a literary element.
tl;dr get dunked fag
>>44423467
>arguing with me only makes me right!
X-punk fans are all fags, aren't they?
>>44423438
What makes me hate steampunk is this active denial of technology. Nearly every steampunk setting I've seen is all deathrays, mad scientists, and often even outright magic or the occult. It's more a translation of period pulp for a modern audience than it is an actual commentary on the age or the technology. It's mindless entertainment trying to appear smart because of a link to the past.
And I'm honestly fine with people dressing up. As a friend put it; "steampunk is one of the easier things to cosplay, because you don't have to make a lot from scratch". Which might be the most valid reason I've ever heard for doing steampunk shit, and it's at the very least honest.
But the thing is, when I was young, my dad used to take me to Steam Days, which are basically just events where people gather a bunch of steam engines and do steam engine shit. You get to ride on those old road locomotives and everything. Great fun. And I never see anything even remotely like it associated with the steampunk crowd. I mean, it's not fucking hard to work with steam. Again, when I was young, my dad used to have one of those tiny steam engines, and occasionally he'd take it out and we'd stoke the boiler and make it run, just for the sake of making it run.
I've never seen a "steampunk" in the same room as one of those things. Not even once.
>>44423450
You have clearly not read it in it's entirety, or if you did you were hardly paying attention.
And a character succeeding at things because the plot demands it is an irrational criticism that can be made of any story, because any character succeeding o failing is a decision made by the author.
tl;dr Han shot first, but Lucas could have had him shot dead if he wanted to.
>>44423487
That's because nobody gives a shit about boilers and clockwork.
>>44423488
>Han shot first
Jesus Christ, can't you keep that shit in /swg/?
>>44423487
that's because it's a bit of a misnomer. Just like cyberpunk isn't only or always about computers. But your criticism of it not being technologically or scientifically accurate can also be made of any work of fiction. Most creators of fiction have no desire to make things scientifically accurate, otherwise they would have become engineers. Does it make you angry that when Luke skywalker ignites his light saber, it doesn't radiate enough heat to light his clothes on fire? Because that's what would actually happen.
However, I do think that steam engines have a certain level of mechanical elegance, and even for a layman are easy to understand, so it would be nice if more steampunk had steam powered things other than locomotives.
>>44423467
>it's fundamental to his job as someone who sells intelligence to the CiC.
So how is he a punk, then? He's not doing it to rebel, he's doing it to get paid by a megacorp.
A few threads back we had somebody saying Shadowrun isn't cyberpunk because you work for megacorps, were they right or wrong?
>>44423488
>you have to read everything of a shitty story before you're allowed to talk about it
No, Anon. I read the first issue, and I found myself hating it and its main character for all the reasons I mentioned. Spider is a member of the upper class who's slumming it, and that's it.
And you're being wilfully obtuse if I have to explain one of the more common complaints about fiction to you. The problem is that Spider Jerusalem doesn't succeed because of his guile or talents that are visible in the story. He succeeds because the writer informs us he's awesome, and that's it. There's no internal logic at work, and because of that, it never becomes exciting.
In short, I found it to be an edgy comic, and I couldn't enjoy it, and neither did its plot appeal to me. And the art was crap.
>>44423569
you clearly did not read my analysis of what punk means. But I'll answer you anyway. He works freelance, so he is his own boss, the CIC doesn't employ him directly. Regardless, I never said that he is a "rebel". Furthermore, you don't have to rebel against society in every way that's possible in order to be "punk". You still have to get money to eat. Otherwise a true "rebel" would probably go live in a cave as a naked hunter/gatherer hermit.
I haven't played shadow-run, and know little about it. but I could guess that working for a mega-corp applies in a similar way.
>>44423534
Yeah, Anon, I know. The point is, the "punk" was never a functional part of the whole thing. So you're left with "steam". And I don't know if you've noticed, but steampunk shit drops the word "steampowered" at the slightest suggestion. Steam power is the core of the genre.
Your point is binary. That if you don't write a literal technical manual, you might as well just ignore reality in its entirety. And you misunderstand my complaint, at that. My complaint isn't that they don't get things right, it's that they don't even try, and they don't even try because of an overt lack of interest, despite their entire genre hinging on that technology. in short, you're tilting at windmills. But you're right, you CAN have the same complaint about any genre, and people do. Just try and get your units of distance wrong in science fiction, and see the howling of anyone who isn't competely retarded. Or don't know shit about guns when doing something military-themed.
Generally, people are expected to have some minimal knowledge about the stuff they're writing about. This is sorely lacking in steampunk, and it underpins the main problem with the genre. So if steampunk is neither steam nor punk, it's nothing. It's whatever steampunks want it to be at the moment, making it a junk genre that's only suited for meaningless pulp.
>>44423626
But he doesn't actively rebel in any way. Does punk now mean the same thing as gives-no-shits?
>>44422157
The Diamond Age isn't exactly STEAM punk, but has a very similar feel. I think it's something the genre should evolve to be more like.
>>44423644
>people are expected to have some minimal knowledge about the stuff they're writing about.
Gibson wasn't a computer expert.
>>44422378
speak for your self good sir, i would love to play a steampunk game where me and my pals get to stick it to the man as a group of hard-core XIXth century styled anarchists. The problem is that to do that you need to have read Baknunin and Kropotkin, im the only one that has done that in my party
>>44423660
This much cherrypicking, and you still get it wrong.
Since when does "minimal knowledge" mean the same as "expert", you fuckwit? How stupid are you, exactly?
>>44423664
>you need to have read Baknunin and Kropotkin
Why?
>>44423586
Well obviously if you only read the first issue of a 61 issue story, then that makes you informed enough to make general analysis of the character and story.
If I read the first chapter of the LotR, then I'm sure that's enough information to be able to tell you that Frodo is actually an angel who's been reincarnated with the sole purpose of taking the ring back to Mt. Doom.
Guess I'm the one being "willfully obtuse though"
tl;dr get rekt shit-lord
>>44422487
Phillip K. Dick: Flow my tears said the police man
our freinds from frolix nine, Do androids dream of electric sheep
>>44423664
>The problem is that to do that you need to have read Baknunin and Kropotkin, im the only one that has done that in my party
In other words, it's going to be a period-accurate uprising?
>>44423683
>shit-lord
Sure is Tumblr in here.
You know, the one thing that's more annoying than Transmet are its shit fans who can't take even the tiniest amount of criticism on their special snowflake Mary Sue character and setting.
It's a fucking comic book, Anon.
>>44423705
>the one thing that's more annoying than [media piece] are its shit fans
This is always true.
>>44423679
Because anarchist in thouse times had a very specific ideology and mindset that difered A LOT for the anarchists of the XXI century. Someone who is not familliar with their works (if you dont know, Bakunin and Kropotkin are considered the fathers of anarchy) will most likley play a anarchist as a edgy teen with a mom complex and too much gun money
>>44423693
i dont follow, i played twilight empirium for the whole night so i might be a bit slow today
>>44423716
>too much gun money
All the anarchists in my town do (or did) was put up preachy posters, about half of which made sense and the otherh alf of which were utterly retarded.
>>44422157
Thing about it is, it's honestly a perfect setting to have similar themes of rebellion and edge cyberpunk has anyway due to the class division, but everyone focuses on the pretty outfits and gears.
>>44423733
XIX century was a lot more violent, and so were the anarchists. Allthough they mainly used bombs, guns were a favoured by some groups. Plus it was easier to get guns back then
>>44423724
Well, in any uprising (especially back in the days where both education as the material therefor were hard to get) you're going to have an upper crust that is privvy to the ideals, and a bunch of followers who are listening. I'm not an expert, but like with other movements, I'm assuming that the body of the movement consisted of people who had relatively little experience with the idealism they were supporting, and were counting on an intelligentsia among them who interpreted the writings they were following.
>>44423733
Just like 19th century anarchists.
>>44423751
Yeah, but the point was that people basing their image of anarchists today would play them as people with "too much gun money".
>>44423751
>XIX century
Just call it the 19th century, you tard.
>>44423677
Gibson had literally never touched a computer when he wrote Neuromancer
>>44423644
Pulp is meaningless, huh?
And distances must be accurate in space sci-fi, eh?
Tell me, how detail-obsessed is the work that you like?
Because clearly sci-fi like Adams or Banks won't cut it, or pulp like Gibson and Lovecraft.
Can they actually tell good stories, or are they just good with details?
>>44423766
did not know that was a problem, thats how we always write it in poland
>>44423644
I don't think "steam power" isn't the "core" of the genre. Because even when people do try to make things relate to steam powered technology, they usually do things that aren't mechanically possible. I didn't mean to present a "binary" argument, but to suggest that on a spectrum of engineering textbook on the right to magical high fantasy epic on the left, most sci-fi is further left of center. I think steam punk is just a little more left than some genres.
Also, making an analogy to don quixote when someone is trying to have an informed conversation is rude bro. Don Quixote was crazy.
>>44423646
He's only in the story for like, 1-2 chapters before he's killed, so the comparison is starting to break down. But I think you could make the argument that if the norm is to buy a bimbo-box and live in the burbs, then being a night stalking cyborg philosopher is am implicit sort of rebellion against the norm.
>>44422277
Depends on what you're talking about
In speaking of genres, the suffix -punk has meant "divergent technology tree based on whatever was said before" like steampunk, atompunk, dieselpunk, rocketpunk, etc. It's all about spinning an alternate history where the semiconductor didn't become the driving force of humanity.
So yeah, it's basically subgenres of alternate history, one of the most looked down upon genres in all of writing (after even legal disclaimers and military sci fi).
On the subject of steam punk has one played Vanishing Point? It's actually written by British person which means it's the 'good' type of steam punk from the review I read of it. Apparently.
Any way I was interested in the initiative system. The players get a set amount of 'action dice' which they roll each round and then can use when the count down reaches one of the numbers they rolled. unspent die can be use in defensive roll and you can choose to add a die you don't use on it's turn to boost another die that roll lower down the initiative track
It's sounds complicated but a probably the choose I've seen to a 'real time' combat system.
>>44423779
In English, it kind of seems like you're an escaped and/or pretentious history student.
>>44423780
Either that or he just doesn't care about society, and is some sort of anti-social weirdo. Wasn't that said at some point?
>>44422518
>Cyberpunk has a similar problem in that people bitch when it's something other than a bunch of burnt-out societal dregs against a faceless corporate aristocracy. Hell, last cyberpunk thread on /tg/ I participated in had several people agreeing that there should only be two character types in cyberpunk, the destitute and hyperrich corporate executives.
Umm, they're more right than you are.
Cyberpunk is literally for exploring a hypercapitalistic society from the experiences of the downtrodden. It's especially about doing this where the world is defacto run by large, faceless, heartless corporations. Bitching about that is like bitching about how Shakespearian tragedies have the protagonist experience a tragic fall. If you take the downtrodden and the corporations out of cyberpunk, you just have sci-fi.
>>44423790
>but a probably the choose I've seen to
Might want to slow down your typing there
>>44423799
och, allright ill keep that in mind
>>44423816
>Cyberpunk is literally for exploring a hypercapitalistic society from the experiences of the downtrodden.
Unless it's Johnny Mnemonic. He's not downtrodden.
>>44423819
Ah, it's not too bad, it's just that using Roman numerals for anything in English is kind of weird.
>>44423799
well, a punk rocker circa 1980 is sort of an anti-social weirdo, so I'm not sure what distinction is trying to be made anymore.
But, to rebel against society doesn't mean you have to actively work against the people who make it up. Even though that's contrary to the strict definition of "rebel" there are plenty of ways to peacefully or passively "rebel"
>>44423780
The problem is that it's so far "left of centre" that the technology becomes meaningless to the story, while at the same time being one of the driving factors.
What is important for storytelling is internal consistency. But steampunk very often refuses to set down the rules for its settings, while at the same time we know what the rules for real life steam engines are. I recall reading an interview with a steampunk author, and she said she put toxic gas and zombies in the setting because she wanted a way to explain typical steampunk fashion, such as heavy gloves and goggles. Despite, you know, the reason being half of her genre's name. It's that type of disconnect steampunk has with its claimed inspiration that I find hard to take.
>>44423840
Have we reached the point where cyberpunk and punk are completely over-analysed?
>>44423779
You're correct, hardly anyone uses roman numerals in English.
>>44423790
>It's actually written by British person which means it's the 'good' type of steam punk from the review I read of it.
This sort of thinking is what makes steampunk retarded.
>>44423799
>Wasn't that said at some point?
Yes, I think so.
He's like a guy with google glass, an apple watch and a bluetooth headset, on top of full mall ninja type clothes... in a world without mobile phones being common, so he's basically considered a hugely antisocial weirdo by people - and then you get the cycle of not caring that you're weird making you more weird
>>44423859
We're long past diminishing returns on the analysis, at least
>>44423825
>the only decent-paying job you can get literally requires you to give up a part of your identity
>not cyberpunk
It wasn't a very good movie, and he didn't voluntarily choose to rebel against the system, but that's about as cyberpunk as it gets.
>>44422038
Same way you save Anything, get tumblr out.
>>44423880
>It wasn't a very good movie,
Movie?
>>44423880
The short story is a bit better, though there are still a few goofy bits - "Christian White's Aryan Reggae Band" springs to mind
>>44423840
>But, to rebel against society doesn't mean you have to actively work against the people who make it up. Even though that's contrary to the strict definition of "rebel" there are plenty of ways to peacefully or passively "rebel"
Dude way to undermine your own argument.
>>44423865
This is from same reviewer who keep on getting side track on why he hates steampunk and British people in general. I don't get it either.
>>44423894
What's wrong with that? Seems like a typical comical juxtaposition, to me.
>>44423894
Not the heroin-addicted dolphin?
Hey, since we're all sitting around talking about this, let's name the next -punk movement.
Shit like Altered Carbon, basically it's little more than a technological evolution of cyberpunk, but with the changes in technology, new, different problems arise. You see more talking and wondering about what exactly the self is, but in a brooding, anti-massive corporation way.
(I'm not hating, I love the shit, but I'm not going to sugar coat it).
nanopunk?
Or are we going to suddenly have a resurgance of the 60s-80s with magnetic tape being all the rage with like a magnetpunk?
>>44423772
I dunno bout him but I am a huge Clancy fanboy.
>>44423931
>Shit like Altered Carbon, basically it's little more than a technological evolution of cyberpunk, but with the changes in technology, new, different problems arise. You see more talking and wondering about what exactly the self is, but in a brooding, anti-massive corporation way.
>(I'm not hating, I love the shit, but I'm not going to sugar coat it).
Eclipse Phase?
>>44423852
Still, I think your expectation is a little unreasonable. "steampunk" can't set down the rules for it's settings because "steampunk" is an idea, not a person. There isn't any internal consistency for how magic works in high fantasy, but do you think that's a problem? Steam is just part of the name, and there's no way to better define the genre without breaking it up into a bunch of smaller genres or arbitrarily changing the name to something like "Victorian retro fantasy"
Missing that the gloves and goggles are to protect you from boiling hot steam does seem pretty dumb though.
>>44423859
I was trying to reach that point in my initial post about what the definition of "punk" is.
>>44423914
That was in the story.
And IRL military dolphins were a thing, so it's not completely stupid.
What can I say, it hit my rule of cool
>>44423951
>I was trying to reach that point in my initial post about what the definition of "punk" is.
Why didn't you just say that?
>>44423931
Dickpunk? Because it basically marries the themes of Philip K. Dick with those of cyberpunk, if what you say is correct.
>>44423945
Eclipse Phase borrows heavily from Altered Carbon and the other books in that series (that's where they cribbed the idea of sleeving).
I think it's the logical extension of cyberpunk because while things seem overall brighter, they're also far more nihilistic.
>>44423909
clearly you understand my argument better than me.
>>44423956
Yes, that's why I was suggesting that it might have stood out as one of the goofier bits in the book.
The 'hooking him up to Christmas lights to communicate' bit was a bit odd, though not entirely bizarre. The Killing Floor was good shit, though.
>>44423816
>Hypercapitalist
>government involvement
Pick one you illiterate fuck.
>>44423972
i love it...but how do we keep it from being taken over by radical feminists or the japanese?
>>44423997
>government involvement
Where has this come from?
>>44423969
I did, but most people don't take the time, or have the mental acuity to read and re-read 3,500 characters to the point of comprehension.
>>44423997
...umm, can you actually read?
>>44423951
I don't know about you, but I've always taken "internal consistency" to mean that within the same work. Hence, internal consistency. Otherwise it's just plain, old, regular consistency.
In most of these stories the driving technology is also a black box. Personally, I find it annoying and it stops the genre from making any meaningful point in relation to its themes. like I said, otherwise it's pulp. Retro pulp, but pulp all the same.
>>44424016
Can you point out where it is?You sound like a cock, but that's neither here nor there.
>>44423951
Goggles aren't for steam - they're for high speeds when you don't have enclosure, for high altitudes or for welding
They've just become incredibly associated with steampunk
>>44423998
Feminists would have a field day with Dick. He was a bit of a push-over in real life, and so he ended up with crazy bitches no less than five times. This is the reason that most women in his stories are nasty shrews. Apparently Ursula LeGuin once called him out on it, and he re-examined his style. But it's definitely because he had shitty experiences with women.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Tumblr feminists start shitting on Dick in the next few years. As you said, even the name should offend them.
As for Japan, I don't think they've ever been into Dick.
>>44424058
>Goggles aren't for steam
Listen to this mug.
>>44424067
>As for Japan, I don't think they've ever been into Dick.
What are traps?
>>44424058
Goggles are for keeping shit out of your eyes, whether that's bugs, sparks, metal shavings, or drops of scalding water.
If you're going to be working with steam age machinery, you're going to want a set of goggles. For all reasons mentioned.
>>44424067
I'm more referring to the "penis" interpretation of dickpunk with the japanese...imagine, technology literally powered by penises.
>>44424042
see
>>44423397
>>44423403
>>44423413
the sounding like a cock is completely intentional.
>>44423990
Yeah, thought you were meaning Jones in film, realised after posting.
Good - if goofy - story, terrible film
>>44423316
Why couldn't the term undergo a metamorphosis? I wager the -punk element can be incorporated into the 19th century zeitgeist quite efficaciously. By incorporating the same aspects of cyber punk, -ie the industrious super companies running amok. Just in the past setting like, I don't know, the industrial revolution? Have a bunch of disenfranchised factory workers rise up stealing bits and bobs from their place of employment and going on 19th century shadowruns. The majority of the cosplayers not realizing the major strife of the
industrialization era shouldn't diminish the reality that though largely taken for granted, the same struggles of the -punk aesthetics can be put to any era. It's just a shame that the majority ruined it for the minority.
>>44424067
out of curiosity, is there any evidence that suggests Leguin's brand of feminism is at all like tumblr SJWs?
>>44424081
>>44424069
>>44424058
Goggles, if worn by an engineer operating a train, pilot in a plane, or the like was more for oil and grease than anything else.
As for random not-the-engineers working around such, no one gave a fuck about them going blind/not dying and they wouldn't be able to afford such an extravagance.
Holy shit, this is western civ 102...literally a bunch of the shit that inspired Marx and Engles as well as led to a fuckton of reforms in how businesses were allowed to business.
>>44422240
This guy get's it
>>44424111
absolutly none, read her books, she just wants a equal world where everyone takes equal responsebilitiys and have equal opretunity
>>44424083
It would be hilarious, because Jap society as it is is powered by pure, unadultered shame about being a regular human being. Japs having to hump their car before it takes them anywhere would strike them right in the societal nuts, as sex suddenly has to become an open and accepted thing.
This is actually a really, really good idea, Anon. Even since I discovered Shintaro Kago, I've been interested in the use of porn as commentary/art, and this would work quite well.
Pic somewhat related, but only because this is a blue board.
>>44424093
There wasn't enough there for a film.
>>44423644
>Generally, people are expected to have some minimal knowledge about the stuff they're writing about. This is sorely lacking in steampunk, and it underpins the main problem with the genre. So if steampunk is neither steam nor punk, it's nothing.
>>44423660
>Gibson wasn't a computer expert.
>>44423772
>Gibson had literally never touched a computer when he wrote Neuromancer
Gibson's was way off about computers but he was right on the pulse with the 'punk', he understood the way society was going and adapting to the emerging tech.
Steampunk writers or the other hand lack either knowledge of willingness to depict victorian social attitudes. It's just corsets and ray guns yepie!
>>44424111
Her writer is be tubmlr in it's themes but she's always came across as a reasonable intelligent person. So no.
>>44424111
None that I know. She's a respected science fiction writer, and probably only feminist because it was absolutely logical to be one as a woman in her day and age.
>>44424108
because being a punk in the modern, or future eras means you can still have a reasonable quality of life. being a punk in an industrial revolution era means your little brother is starving to death, and you are dying of tuberculosis. It's the same reason in fantasy/medieval settings people don't play peasants.
>>44424081
Fug, forgot that all the health and safety shields in workshops and factories wouldn't be there - yeah, you'd want goggles
>>44424111
>tumblr SJW
Yes and no.
Yes in that they latch onto bits and pieces of everything. There's no real identifiable, philosophically coherent stance they take beyond "We're mad and we're not going to take it any more" -- while noting that "we" and "we're" aren't rigorously defined, "mad" isn't well defined either, nor is "take" or "it" for that matter.
>>44424132
>>44424144
I've read the first earthsea trilogy (or is it 4 books?) But I didn't know anything about her personally. thanks for the info.
>>44424146
>not wanting to play the dirty little orphan, the the lower-class prostitute, and the 50-year-old ex-factory-worker with lungs full of coal dust and a prosthetic arm that seizes up whenever it gets too cold
>>44424143
I consider "minimal knowledge" to include "how this technology would theoretically impact society".
But the real difference between steampunk and futuristic science fiction is that steampunk is based on technology we already know, and then often gets it wrong. For instance, they like the image of chain-driven, smoke-belching steam engines, but in reality steam trucks were a thing up until the 40's, and they looked like regular trucks and functioned much like them.
>>44424135
>Shintaro Kago
If you like that idea check out Luis Quiles
>>44424117
Let's all just appreciate the irony of one of the main signifiers of steampunk fashion being an item of privilege.
>>44424135
porn being accept as art, is like people trying to accept impressionism or later on, cubism as art.
Also, I'm now imagining a japan, where after a sudden global petroleum disaster, must rapidly convert to sexual shame as a fuel source.
>>44424174
>chain-driven,
But steam engines are primarily belt-drive.
>>44424173
no dude, I totally agree, it's an awesome idea, but not "fun" to cosplay as, and doesn't have as much space for an epic story in a tabletop game or book.
>>44424146
And being fitted with implants susceptible to viral attacks cause you didn't play for firmware or got a bum bootleg is any different? I think the setting can go in either direction in both scenarios, shit covered textile machine mechanics fucking up the boss man or the future element fucking up the boss mans mainframe seem pretty easily coalesced into the -punk genre.
That being said your point is valid and I do agree with the hurdles of justifying the setting. Though I still think such a setting can be played in the manner I described.
>>44424186
Interesting stuff, if a bit simple at times. I like his style. It's perfect for his subject matter. Kind of reminds me of Stu Mead, though that's because Stu Mead also likes drawing little girls.
>>44424212
Don't tell the steampunks.
>>44424172
it;s 4 books, or to be exact around 6 but only the first 4 are part of the Geb saga
>>44424008
Historically companies only achieve massive power of They use an extensive and powerful state beauracracy. Remember standard oil at the height of its power could only sell oil and develop oil and industry related infrastructure.
>>44424224
I love that unmistakable feel of disney princess in his style.
>>44424174
Regardless it's not the writing about a car that matters, it's the traffic jam.
Does spring-powered clockwork come under the auspices of steampunk tech?
>>44424260
Sort of, but the car's performance and handling both matter in that scenario. Both are a direct result of the car's inner workings.
>>44424223
Maybe the problem is that we're all corporate shills in the modern world, and the punks live in the Third World or the ghetto. Reasonably, everyone who would even get into this is already part of the conspiracy, and they condemn others for being part of the same conspiracy.
People naturally identify with the affluent in these fictional settings. Sure, politically they might care for the plight of the oppressed, but would they even be CAPABLE of playing a modern day African who believes white people never work, the bank gives away free money, and the woman running the corner store is a witch?
Cyberpunk was doomed from the beginning. The world isn't as simple as haves and have-nots. Every have-not is a have to some other have-not.
>>44424224
>little girls
googled stu mead
was not disapoint
sweatyforhead.jpg
>>44424254
I have a feeling that either English isn't your first language or you're an idiot.
>>44424276
Nah, that's torsionpunk
>>44424305
>googled stu mead
>googling
That shit is in your search history forever now.
>>44424309
Refute my points spoiled pig. It is sin to bite the hand that provides for you.
>>44424302
>Cyberpunk was doomed from the beginning. The world isn't as simple as haves and have-nots. Every have-not is a have to some other have-not.
That's not the world cyberpunk portrayed.
Cyberpunk saw the bright shiny future promised by sci-fi but instead of thinking it was brought about by egaltarians, assumed it was brought about by die-hard profiteers. This necessitates an underclass. Do some have it worse than others in the underclass? Absolutely. Is there even a middle class that's present? Yup, but that isn't the focus.
>>44424260
Yeah, but a key part in that is "cars don't fly". They are mechanically incapable of it, and making it so would bring with it a whole bunch of problems based on the mechanics and people's reactions to those.
In steampunk, they'd say cars fly, and they also all have parachutes in case they crash. Kind of like those old future visions that would show future cities as having aircraft everywhere, without considering the danger, noise, and people's aversion to those.
>>44424335
Ok, so idiot for whom English isn't your first language. Most likely wearing a fedora too.
Standard Oil is a picture of government non-interference. Your point about at their height they "could only" (which is wrong and stupid) deal with oil industry stuff is retardedly stupid. The fact of the matter is that they became what they became because of mastering a business strategy called vertical integration. They bought, owned, or held sway over everything from the oil wells themselves to the production of the barrels the oil was put in to the trains it ran on and the refineries that refined it, and the stations that sold it to the public. They could have went into other businesses, but they didn't want to. Vertical integration allowed them to control costs to a degree that oil and oil products (as well as the cost of basically everything) shot up after dissolving them.
All of that happened because the government was very much not paying attention to/caring about what they were doing, which is the exact opposite of your point, a point I might also add has fuckall to do with the conversation thread.
>>44424345
>>44424345
>Yeah, but a key part in that is "cars don't fly". They are mechanically incapable of it, and making it so would bring with it a whole bunch of problems based on the mechanics and people's reactions to those.
>In steampunk, they'd say cars fly, and they also all have parachutes in case they crash. Kind of like those old future visions that would show future cities as having aircraft everywhere, without considering the danger, noise, and people's aversion to those.
i'm interested in what you have to say but it don't quite get what you're saying. A car that flies by definition isn't not a car.
>>44424413
Isn't that a weird thing to say while posting a picture of an airship?
But a flying car is essentially a vehicle that performs the function of a car, but while flying. Everyone owns one, they see every day use, and they are primarily for transporting people.
The point is more about the ramifications of technology, though. And the fact that discussing those ramifications requires a certain amount of knowledge about the subject matter, however minimal. You don't need to be able to explain how an internal combustion engine works when writing about cars, but you do need to understand that it's impossible to get your stereotypical VTOL flying car with the engine that powers your Renault Twingo.
Gentlemen
How do we save Carcinoma?
>>44422240
As much as I'd like to agree with you, the Victorian cogfoppers would just migrate over because technically they're still contemporaries.
Besides it's shitty fanbase (or at least the meme that /tg/ believes to be the fanbase) I think that pure steampunk is really fucking boring. It has no good tropes and thus should only be used to give stuff in other settings a little touch of steampunk. Like AdMech in 40k. Granted it has very little steampunk in it, it still has some of the aesthetics (gears, cogs and cables everywhere). Another example would be the dwarves and gnomes in warcraft. You have a generic fantasy setting and spice up some of the factions by adding steampunk to them.
>>44424675
>Granted it has very little steampunk in it, it still has some of the aesthetics (gears, cogs and cables everywhere). Another example would be the dwarves and gnomes in warcraft. You have a generic fantasy setting and spice up some of the factions by adding steampunk to them.
...you know all that was around well before steampunk became a thing, right?
>>44424389
Ok two things, one they achieved power by providing a superior product. Vertical integration was about oil industry stuff. Secondly even if they bought into other industries, which they did not because that is expensive as hell and takes a while to turn a profit (ie not a sound investment) they still couldn't truly make people's lives shit because they couldn't do these things:
Create concentration or internment camps or sharashkas.
Conscript people to fight in wars
Fight wars
Confiscate private property
Change private property laws
Levy taxes or tariffs.
Now many of these things can be done with lobbying, but keep in mind the company is not directly doing these things, it is the state, and in a hypercapatilist society the state does not have the power to do many of these things. You are acting like a monopoly is a bad thing. In reality it is just a market overhaul by one firm that provides better services and goods than it's competitors.
>>44424731
Then whats the problem? Good settings are good and distilling one single trope leads to a boring and shitty setting that cosplayers seem to like. Who cares? Why get so mad about it that we need a thread every week? Why try to polish a turd?
>>44424739
>>44424739
What the fuck are you going on about? Seriously, I have no clue what conversation/argument you're trying to have. I can tell you that you're about 80% factually wrong, but that won't serve any purpose because I still have no fucking clue why you're rambling about whatever it is you're rambling about.
>>44422038
The two girls on the right are pretty cute
>>44424836
I'm not mad about anything. I'm just pointing out to you that that wasn't "adding steampunk" to anything. If it were anything, it was steampunk stealing from other genres.
>protip when someone corrects you for being factually incorrect, they're usually not upset or mad in the slightest.
>>44423413
No see the problem isn't that it's not dirty or gritty, it's that the characters people want to portray are on the wrong side of the story.
Cyberpunk is about lowlifes fighting The Man.
Steampunk, as it stands now and has for a while, is about BEING The Man.
>>44425673
that was sort of my point, in that era of history, there was only a fledgling idea of fighting against "the man". The common belief was that dying for king and country, becoming a successful business, or being born into nobility was the right thing to do. Things like the french revolution and the writings of Karl Marx for instance, were still new and recent history.
If for instance you took a story like les miserables, and moved it 40 years into the future, added steam technology, it would be your description of steampunk. A story about an ex-con, a young revolutionary, a prostitute, a cut throat, and a disgruntled policeman. However aggrandising these sorts of characters is contrary to the times (except for an emergent culture) and not "fun" to play. It's easier to play a genius inventor who helps the poor, than to play a poor mechanic, because in that era, you couldn't get anywhere if you were poor. The ability of the lower classes to affect their environments was far less than what it is today. So it's easier (more fun) to imagine someone that is Sort of The Man, fighting against people that are More The man.
Travel back in time and kill Phil Foglio before he starts Girl Genius.
This may be a hard choice for some of you.
>>44425961
The first part of your post is flat out wrong. That's just the romanticized steampunk/pulp novel version.
The second part of your post has nothing to do with the first part of your post and is literally an argument against using the name "steampunk" to describe the ideas ensconced within.
>>44424146
Then maybe you can be a bourgeois anarchosocialist fighting against the system?
>>44426369
>Girl Genius
>Doesn't do the cogs-everywhere steamshit
>Goes out of its way to advertise itself as not steampunk.
u wot m8
>>44422157
One could argue that Girl Genius is a pretty good steampunk comic.
>>44426767
Ehhhhhhhhhhh
Beat them at their own game. Diesel > Steam
>>44426873
It's entertaining at least. I'm not saying its a classic.
>>44423156
Aw, I love Cragside.
>>44426756
>>44426767
Bit of both - entertaining, yeah, but I'd say the jury's still out on classic.
And, as anon says, they do steer clear of the term themselves, partly because they add a lot of Frankenstein stuff and magic
>>44427041
I believe the term they use is "gaslamp fantasy" which sounds like a pretty awesome genre in and of itself.
>>44426756
And Ice Ice Baby's tune is dun dun tish where Under Pressure's tune is dun dun tiss.
>>44422038
We don't. Steampunk has died for our sins, it's made the ultimate sacrifice. Goodnight sweet Prince.
>>44422038
Make it about the pioneer spirit and the advancing technology framing it, not about fat faggots with gears glued to tophats.
>>44422462
But anon, whites still have to protect poccers from their own idiocy. Look at the Ebola thing, that probably wouldn't have burned itself out for decades without white assistance.
What would you call the aesthetic of bikers with leather and beards riding through the desert with classic rock?
You know, the Ride to Hell Retribution look.
That would make a good setting, I tell you. It doesn't't matter if you're rich or poor because everyone dies at 24 for doing shitloads of drugs and drinking.
>>44427314
It's called meth-introduced-into-white-poverty-communities-punk
It's actually pretty fucking punk
>>44425103
>5
>girl
doesn't look like it to me
>>44426908
>antigrav technology
>with 50s stylings
>diesel
>not retrofuturism or raygun gothic
>>44422038
Well I mean if someone went and made Arcanum 2 that'd probably help.
Not sure how exactly, but you know. Somehow.
>nachthexen
>>44422195
The court of air was frankly bizarre. I was technically extremely interested, but couldn't actually read the fucking text
By focusing on the fucking tech and not the "oh so whacky gear clothing" shit. When the steam engine was built people did walk around with cogs for eyes and a jetpack.
Focus on the grimy as fuck side of things. The industrialization built on one specific, primitive source would cause a huge disparity in living conditions. Its a dangerous and unstable source. The city that literally grew massive over the course of month would leave a good 90% ofits population in really shitty, unsafe conditions. Where these fucking hipster trash get the inspiration of "high class victorian steam gauntlet tea parties" would be the incredibly rich elite.
Make your game in the slums of steam punk.
>>44422038
But it was never good.
>>44422240
>Not reichpunk
>>44428037
>raygun gothic
>clinging to this phrase like atompunk hadn't been around for ages before raygun gothic was coined
I get it, you don't like the -punks, but seriously friend, you're not going to make that a thing.
>>44422595
>treating cannibalism as a bad thing
>on /tg/
Oh Dear, cue angry cannibal fags shitting up the thread.
>>44422195
What's that book Anon? Sell it to me!
>>44422462
