What would it take for you to accept and/or like the Tau? How would you improve them?
Hard Mode: You can't erase them from the setting.
>>44370554
I'd have the Imperium kill them. Or at least have the orks do it and have th imperial claim it as their master plan.
>>44370554
Squat 'em.
Say a Chaos god finally noticed their sorry asses or something.
they get enslaved by Dark Eldar and turned into all kinds of disgusting creatures by the covens
>>44370554
Less stupid rules. Less faggoty fanbase. At this point I'll settle for those two since "they don't fit in 40k" isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the other issues.
>>44370554
an anon a few weeks ago was talking about a multi-xeno auxiliary heavy army with relatively rare crisis suit support
that was a cool idea
>>44370554
I would like the various species that are part of the Tau Empire aside from the Tau themselves to be less humanoid. The Tau have always been sort of portrayed as the part of 40K that isn't Warhammer in space, so having some non-humanoids would be nice. The Nicassar are flat space polar bears, so that's cool, but we can do more. Like, how about playing up the wasp angle for the Vespid, give them more limbs and a non-bipedal stance?
>>44370554
They should not win even a single battle, their codex must be intentionally terrible and fluff should shit all over them.
>>44370554
I can accept the Tau as they are. But, I heard that they are supposed to represent the numerous smaller xenos species that rise up and are stomped out on a regular basis, yet they somehow survive. I'd change things so they are fighting a constantly uphill battle for every inch of ground they take. They will take losses, lose ground, and don't constantly outsmart every race that has been fighting galactic war for tens of thousands of years. Their tech is impressive for the time they've been around, but doesn't come close to the tech level of the big players yet. They can still be naive trying to unite everyone under the greater good, but the Tau's resolve and belief in the greater good needs to be harshly tested.
>>44370593
A kroot would not be able to operate a chainsword properly due to his two finger grip. It would be, at best, a spiked club.
Spread them across the eastern fringe, so they're a fairly large empire instead of a blip, with a lot more room for their client races to join in.
On another note, how the hell is the Imperial Guard supposed to fight them when they're constantly outranged and will get cut down before they reach melee? Tau don't seem the type for trench fighting or armored warfare.
>>44370641
>Tau don't seem the type for trench fighting or armored warfare.
>Tau don't seem the type for armored warfare.
wot
>>44370629
>and don't constantly outsmart every race that has been fighting galactic war for tens of thousands of years
To be honest here, if said races' best strategy is "charge into melee with chainswords", they're not that hard to outsmart.
New to all this. Is the tau hate really that bad? Also why is the fan base hated?
>>44370661
Lurk more.
>>44370554
Either erase them from the setting or simply squat their model line but keep them in a fluff as a barely mentioned irrelevant xenos species.
>>44370651
Maybe he thinks lumbering treaded vehicles? I don't think he realizes nimble hover tanks are considered armor.
To be fair the Tau don't really treat their Hammerheads and Skyrays like humans treat their armor. They're more just heavily armored skirmish vehicles.
>>44370661
Because they're weeaboo trash. Lowest rungs of weeaboo trash. In fact, if someone is spreading his tau mecha shit you can already feel they'll be a shitlord.
>>44370683
I treat my Hammerheads like humans treat their armor. That might be because I am a human playing Tau so by definition any way I treat my armored vehicles are how humans treat armored vehicles. That was really convoluted.
>>44370695
If you don't punch your opponent in the face as soon as you see him place the first Tau suit on the table, you're a ball-less cuck who is indirectly contributing to the decline of 40k.
Even the Tau players in their secret shame know that the real men play Kroot and Vespid auxiliaries only.
>>44370695
they were supposed to be weeaboo trash sure, but gee dubs is full of incompetents so they failed at making them particularly weeaboo or particularly trash
>>44370704
Neither Kau'yon nor Mont'ka support that style of warfare though. Tau sort of do use armor as defense, like Devilfish and sticking near Hammerheads, but when they go full turtle mode, they developed Tau'nars and Riptides instead.
GW seems to be retconning the limitations of Mont'ka and Tauyon and making the Tau a bit less rigid and limited to those two styles, but GW also really wants to push Tau as using titan suits as armor instead of tanks.
>>44370715
Tau are pretty trash, don't kid yourself. Other than the rare decent sculpt and people doing 50-component conversions to make suits look better, Tau fail on all levels including visual.
>>44370554
I liked them as they were originally. a new, naive empire- reminiscent of what we will be, what the Imperium once was, during the DAoT - showing how far Mankind has fallen since leaving Earth, and how far the Tau will fall if they survive.
>>44370651
You know, mass vehicles. And most of the fluff about tau warfare has them being really mobile and not relying on static defense except for luring in prey.
Maybe I'm just assuming they're too different from humanity.
>>44370695
>Tau are weeaboos
>boxy MechWarrior mechs
>meanwhile, the Eldar are walking around in fucking EVAs and Gunbuster-looking shits
Fuck you.
>>44370629
I could get behind this. As much as the artwork beats the Tau down as the scrappy underdogs, they're missing that "trench desperation" you see every time the Imperial Guard is depicted. Not entirely sure why. But too often the Tau come across as the new guys who just happened to get everything right. Their technology and philosophies are perfect for their needs and they never have to deal with the internal problems of every other faction.
>Imperium's internal problems are tl;dr
>Eldar are on the verge of extinction and have to trap their own souls when they die lest they be eaten and fucked at the same time by Slaanesh.
>Dark Eldar can't stop backstabbing each other unless tastier prey is dangled nearby.
>Necrons aren't all awake yet, and there's little unity between tomb world dynasties
>Tyranids fracture and diverge to the point that they're completely alien to one another when two hive fleets meet again and they start eating each other.
>Chaos is Chaos.
>Orks will never have enuff dakka.
Tau just sort of have everything working out for them, and all outside challenge feels like one of those "telling, not showing" situations. It's written on the wall that as soon as the new millennium comes around, they're going to be in a lot more trouble, but for 999.M41, they're just a little too comfy.
>>44370660
Not every single Imperial Command does that. It's not the only tactic they have. It's just the only one people think they have.
>>44370554
Fuck hard mode. Erase them from the setting.
They're irrelevant shit crap third world bunch of fucking retards so stuck up their pus-seeping anuses that they believe themselves to be the beacon to all that's holy.
Even worse, they constantly survive things they shouldn't with vague explanations such as "technology". You'd think they would quickly perish under the full might of Imperium, but they live on pure plot armor and self-righteousness.
Tau are shit.
>>44370629
At the risk triggering a bunch of wehraboos, have you considered thinking of it like WW2 germany? Sure they had lots of success really quickly, but they were up against too much sheer industrial power to ever really have a chance. The day will come where the imperium actually turns its eye on the Tau, but it hasn't come yet.
>>44370753
Oh yeah, I could get behind that. But even the Germans had some stumbles during their steamroll over Europe. As long as we see the point where the war turns against them I'll withdraw a lot of my current complaints with the Tau.
>>44370747
>It's written on the wall that as soon as the new millennium comes around, they're going to be in a lot more trouble, but for 999.M41, they're just a little too comfy.
Did I miss something? Are the Tau in the path of something apocalyptic that's supposed to hit in M42?
>>44370753
The Imperium is already turning their eye on the Tau. And the Tau are beating them. That's why the Tau hate has gotten even larger recently.
Shadowsun cut down the Raven Guard chapter master and beat up Korsarro Khan. They are holding back two entire marine founding chapters, entire IG regiments, AND a titan legion. They are also taking multiple named worlds that have paints named after them, and this is right after they beat the Tyranid hive fleet that was the most adaptable by out-adapting them, and "using every trick they had in the bag" to withstand a literally non-stop, infinite wave of guardsmen and Imperial crusade.
>>44370747
>tau have internal split, are literally a totalitarian state and set the thrusters to full retard towards Men of Iron.
I've always enjoyed the Tau.
They're a nice foil for the Imperium and they harken back to the Great Crusade with xenos flavor.
They were my first army.
I will say thought that the GIANT MECHA thing is being milked.
>>44370807
>I've always enjoyed the Tau.
get the fuck out from /tg/ you piece of shit.
>>44370799
Yet they never suffer for it because plot armor. Internal split? Farsight just came back to rescue Shadowsun so she could continue her killstreak. Men of Iron? Their drones just keep getting better and we're never going to go past 999.M41 to see a Tau DAoT. Better Tau tech just means more bullshit Tau'nar titans and Riptides and Stormsurges, not some backfiring where they shoot themselves in the foot like Dark Eldar, humanity, Necrons, and the Old Ones did. You know, everyone else who isn't a huge faggot plot armor race like Tau.
>>44370775
>Advancing the timeline
Well now you're just being unreasonable
>>44370793
The Tau's been written as pretty much always having that potential, though. Their backstory is that they're on an astounding upwards trajectory technologically, and don't have to deal with Warp bullshit because a̶r̶r̶ ̶r̶o̶o̶k̶ ̶s̶a̶m̶e don't have tasty souls.
>>44370751
show me on the doll where the crisis suits touched your armies anon
>>44370815
Now now, first we need to know what his army list looks like.
>>44370799
>drone revolution
Shit, really? I retract my earlier complaints because that will be awesome.
>>44370784
I just mean that they have far less room to nom/waaagh through than the Imperium. A few more nid incursions and green tides in the eastern fringe and they'll be at the end of their rope.
but I'm speculating, ignore me
>>44370826
Sorry, but no matter how technologically advanced you are, you don't out-melee melee specialist superhumans when you're a frail shooting race. And not just a regular marine either, a chapter master. Of a first founding chapter. These are guys that punch Avatars, kill Swarmlords, and lead Black Crusades.
>>44370843
They just built a better fist.
>>44370825
Nah, we just need one battle right at M41.999 that shows they have lost their momentum and are forced onto the defensive.
I agree that the Tau need to lose. I know GW is doing it because they are new and they want them to be cool and sell but it's time for them to face some casualties.
>>44370842
Are you retarded? They literally already beat off an entire hive fleet, Waaagh, AND the Imperium and are now expanding. Throw as many hive fleets and waaaghs and crusades at them as you want, you're just going to get a repeat of Damocles, Mont'ka, and Kauyon.
>>44370784
Forecast for the Tau Empire 42nd millennium is cloudy with a chance of infinite tyranids
>>44370815
No :^)
>>44370834
I don't play 'em anymore. I had them back in 5th.
>>44370834
Irrelevant.
He took faggoty orange in his hands, he's not allowed to discuss 40k anymore.
>>44370851
Fists don't swing themselves.
inb4 drones with power fists
>>44370868
>Drones with Power Fists
I'd fucking play that list. Put a luchadore mask on the flat of each of the drones? Fuckin' A.
>>44370860
Macragge, no!
>>44370843
>These are guys that punch Avatars
That's a very unimpressive feat to be honest.
>>44370876
And yet the Tau can't even manage that much. Yet they beat people who did. This isn't rock paper scissors, melee prowess is a linear fucking scale.
>>44370859
Now the nids have a taste for them, the orks know they're good fights, and the Imperium is aggravated with them. My point isn't that "haha, the Tau will soon be destroyed", just that M42 should be harder for them.
>>44370885
>melee prowess is a linear fucking scale.
Nothing in 40k is a linear scale. Clearly, the Tau simply made their WS rolls.
>>44370860
>They ignore the Eye of Terror
Well that's just great.
>>44370898
SHOULDA BOUGHT A STORM SHIELD SEVERAX
>>44370901
They ignore Tomb Worlds too. And one of them comes from fucking below meaning they'll hit tons of systems simultaneously without warning instead of consuming a path of worlds.
Douchebag Tyranids.
>>44370909
/tg/, what would it take for you to accept and/or like the Tyranids? How would you improve them?
Hard mode: they still have to be arachnids mixed with xenomorphs.
>>44370929
I thought they were more dinosaur than bug
>>44370746
The Tau are obviously based on WW2 Japan though.
Think about it - they're a small nation that has attacked the fringes of a larger one, and wakened a sleeping giant. Their weapons are generally lighter than the enemy equivalents, but they're longer ranged and more accurate - Japanese machineguns in WW2 were so accurate they could fire over the tops of hills to hit enemies before they were aware of them. They fight for every inch of ground. The only thing really missing is an obsession with the blade due to samurai culture.
>>44370929
I don't mind Tyranids. It's like getting upset at volcanos or hurricanes. Or locust swarms. They already have such bad rules.
>>44370940
I heard they were based on China too. People are like "they use Indian caste systems" but forget that Japan has warrior castes and shit too.
>>44370929
People don't like em? I think they are cool and I might choose them for a second army. Yes I know they are considered weak.
>>44370860
Why does Hive Fleet Leviathan seem to be headed straight for the maelstrom on this map? I understood they were all slowly converging on Terra.
>>44370940
Except Iwo Jima whooped the US Marines and the legendary red ronin came flying out of nowhere and cut the nukes in half before they could explode on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I really don't hate tau that much and love the kroot. I really don't see how they don't fit in to 40k when you have a clown God running around. But the tau player at my lgs ruined tau for everyone though. He's a convicted pedophile and a weeaboo brony with temper tantrum
>>44370554
They're pointless to the setting currently. If you got rid of them everyone but Tau players would not notice the fluff difference. But even though they have no effect on the galaxy at large, GW still gives them feats that are amazing, feats that ACTUAL enemies of the Imperium should have.
GW could have easily gone the route that a mere token force of the Imperium keeps getting defeated as the Tau expand into unclaimed space, so they would actually build into a threat and run into the real antagonists of the 40k universe (Chaos). But they didn't; instead the Tau have become a bigger threat than the Eldar...
Erase them, make them actual grimdark like everyone else, make them actually have bad ideas LIKE EVERY OTHER FACTION.
>>44370959
They're hitting the core first because that's where the Squats were.
>>44370940
You're missing the whole "tech angle"; Japan didn't become known as a place where technological innovation happened until the 1970s, almost 1980s. Let's look at the facts.
Tau:
>Marked off for extermination
>Random shit happens, extermination is called off due to storms
>Tau turn into an actual threat practically overnight
>Absurd technological growth for 40k, basically pre-DAoT Humans levels of growth
>Emphasis on combined arms
>Multicultural armed forces
The only thing they're missing to be a straight analogy for the USA is a colonial uprising against the Imperium.
>>44370987
Explains why players hate them so much.
>>44370965
You're naive if you think that's a coincidence. And trickster gods are standard fare.
>>44370971
I think this nailed it. I wouldn't be pissed if Abaddon or Ghazghkull merc'ed a chapter master and spanked two famous chapters. Tyranids have done it too.
These factions regularly grind Imperial forces to a halt or even defeat all the time. THEY are who you pull crusades together for, like on Armageddon or Cadia, not fucking Damocles.
>>44370929
>/tg/, what would it take for you to accept and/or like the Tyranids?
cruddace on a gibbet
plastic pyrovores with torrent
>>44370987
My god...
>Greater Good is MURICA
>shock and awe
>big guns
Americans hate Tau because they represent the American way, but in a faggoty form, and everyone else hates them because they hate Americans.
>>44371000
I mean I've met awesome tau players and kroot players none were weebs pedos or bronies. The brony made me want to burn my army and myself alive. And to make it worst we have another douche weeaboo neonazi rapist named gage who plays death korps of Krieg and they won't get kicked.
>>44371082
Oh and guess his second army
>>44371108
Eldar.
>>44371029
Except Americans actually rule the Earth.
Tau have like 0.0001% of the galaxy.
>>44371108
Dark Eldar. Maybe Sisters of Battle.
>>44371120
More 1890s America, less 1990s America
replace them with Zeon
>>44371130
Ah. Gotcha.
>>44370554
Remove their fans. I played tau in 4th ed, but holy fuck tau fans are cancerous.
>>44370583
>Less stupid rules. Less faggoty fanbase.
OP was asking how to improve the Tau specifically, not 40k as a whole.
>>44371130
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Did I get it right?
>>44371151
Damn son they must call you Salamander
>>44371168
Not even close. By 1890s it was closer to "We making bank off these retard Eurocucks and their faggy wars"
>>44371114
DING DING DING!!
>>44370860
Jesus, Hivefleets are stupidly big.
Leviathan has enough mass to generate its own gravity well. Hell, they all do.
40k, no sense of scale.
>>44371208
What we call "hive fleets" are really "hive fleet tendrils" I think. It's just one of those technically incorrect jargon words that pop up from time to time in any field.
Remove the Deldar first, then we'll talk.
>>44371224
That really doesn't make it better.
>>44371208
Friendly reminder that the Ultramarines and Battlefleet Bakka killed Behemoth.
Like, all of it.
>>44371259
Battlefleet Bakka needs a promotion to Battlefleet Dakka, then.
>>44371029
It's interesting when you hold the Greater Good/Murica stuff up against the Imperiums' more British-leaning Imperialistic values. Sort of. I'm an amerifat, so I mostly know about Imperialism from Shooting an Elephant, so I can't say how strong the parallels are.
>>44371257
Too bad, TYRANIDS, BITCH!
>>44370695
>>44370706
>>44371259
Ultramarines mostly jobbed to keep them from taking Macragge, while the space ships did most of the work. And they lost tons of people. All just to take out the Hive Fleet brain. After that it's just mop up. The crippled hive fleet is not nearly as impressive if it's just a bunch of dumb floating animals instead of a single coordinated being the size of an entire segmentum.
>>44371294
>actually having that retarded abridged gif on your hard drive
When dozens of people are talking about how they can't stand certain people and want to remove them to improve something, they're talking about you.
>>44370751
so what about the people who play Tau and invested in the army?
>>44370554
glass them
>>44371337
So what about the people who play Squats and invested in the army?
>>44371317
>judging people based on reaction images
>>44371307
>Hive Fleets have an actual brain bug running shit
Damn, the Tyranids just got hella less scary. Here I thought the Hive Mind was a spontaneous psychic link, akin to the Waaagh.
>>44371355
Literally no one ever
>>44371355
its acknowledged that removing them was ultimately a mistake
>>44371358
It's a pretty good metric to judge people by. Are you a newfag or were you unaware 99% of people do the same to furries, ponyfags, and even 40k players?
You flustered someone called you out for being such an obvious faggot?
Fire Warriors being better at Melee Combat
>>44371370
Then bring them back.
>>44371383
with our magical anon powers?
>>44371362
its more like taking out the servers of a network, there is no single hub but losing a bunch of Norn Queens and other Synaps links will fuck them up
>>44371307
>Ultramarines mostly jobbed to keep them from taking Macragge, while the space ships did most of the work.
The (ultramar) space ships and the (rather significant) orbital defenses. You don't deploy the ENTIRE first company to defend something on a whim.
Battlefleet was the hammer, smurfs were the anvil.
>>44371387
This. It's not like blowing up the control ship to shut down all the droids. You just keep fucking up the biggest creatures until the smaller ones have no communication line and are just running on tacticless instinct.
>>44371370
Really? How? 40k hasn't died yet, and it's not dying because of a lack of Squats. At best you could argue it helped lead to the horrible roundabout where 40k, based off of WFB, ended up creating AoS, which though successor to WFB is now much more strongly based off of 40k.
>>44371387
It's like taking out a command center in a real human army - everything else can fight on, but they'll lose coordination and cohesion and be operating as independent units.
It's also sort of like taking out the Warboss of an Ork Waagh!, but that doesn't always work, can be fixed with a new Warboss beating his way to the top, and it includes more infighting among the Orks.
>>44370554
To be honest I despise and appreciate the Tau at the same time. They're some faggoty blue skinned race who think they can and should rule the Galaxy but would get curb stomped if any faction actually committed to it, let alone a hive fleet on the scale of Behemoth. They are however the only faction that offers war to the imperium like no other can. They're a united form of government and wage war that sparse Eldar Craftworlds or Orks can't.
>>44370554
I would slow down their technological advancment by about 600%. Like christ guys, you JUST spent all that time developing one battlesuit, now you've already made like 6 more? Shhhshhhhh,....stop..shh..take a chill pill.
Then I'd let them take a serious serious serious blow, to show them they are not in a space opera.
Then have them become resurgent with the grimdark turned up, make their sterilization camps and 1984 really evident and that they are just as bad as the rest of us.
>>44371539
"make them like everyone else"
lol
>>44371544
Capable of losing? Well somehow I think they'll survive.
>>44371581
They get their ass whipped all the time, what're you talking about?
>>44371539
>>44371544
Or more specifically, make them like Nazi Germany. Huge industrial and technological power that after it's amazing initial successes, began backsliding some after a huge hammer blow was european invasioned into them.
And as they were being pushed back they would take more and more desperate measures as they took more and more losses.
Then they would enter a stalemant, then become resurgent, utilizing their current tech, but with so many major manufacturing bases destroyed, they are not advancing as quickly as the war grinds on and on and on.
Then the tyranid fleet shows up, forcing the warring sides to focus on that, and the expenditure leaves both sides unable to finish killing each other afterwards. Leaving the Tau in a position to become resurgent but given a reminder of just how small they are.
>>44371602
Such as?
Exterminatus the planet Tau with every Ethereal on it.
>>44371405
>You don't deploy the ENTIRE first company to defend something on a whim.
SPACE HUUULK
>>44371703
Well, they had a vested interest in attacking that particular hulk, since they had previously lost their entire chapter on it.
>>44370554
i like the rebel tau
>all this butthurt butthurt about tau
>>44371711
>since they had previously lost their entire chapter on it.
That just brings us full circle. It's even worse because now they make the same mistake twice.
>>44371729
>all this butthurt about [faction]
Welcome to 40K.
>>44371729
Tau, Marines, Knights, Necrons, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Black Templars, SoB, sometimes IG regiments, Eldar
Am I missing any? Factions that tend to generate butthurt. Maybe Tyranids and AdMech based on rules?
>>44371742
CSM, Daemons, DE
I think that's all the factions. Good rules = butthurt about being too strong. Bad rules = butthurt about sucking. Fluff = butthurt about X event in fluff. Lack of fluff = butthurt about lack of fluff.
Transdimensional Union
>>44370554
If imperium is nazi
Chaos is revolitionaries
Orks are anarchists
Eldar are illuminati
Then turn tau into SJWs
uniting all sentient species in the galaxy into a huge multicultural blend thats accepting of everything
Mind controlled by political correctness
And like everything in 40k, their society falls to shit
e.g. Guevesa babies eaten by kroot regularly and no human can do anything because it would offend kroot culture
Rename them tau federation or alliance
Add more aliens, more locations where they are strong
Give them better faster than light travel
Then tau become a threat and a commentary
>>44370860
High chances of survival. They captured a Forgeworld specialized in building Tyranid Fleet-Killer Torpedoes.
>>44370554
More minor races, both for and against them. Have the Tau Empire invading and conquering minor races in their path, incurring the annoyance of various Rogue Trader dynasties that kept them around for a tidy profit on the side, alongside Radical Inquisitors and maybe even higher factions such as the Grey Knights getting extremely miffed over the Tau wiping out certain specialist resources they require, such as a Jokaero breeding sight.
Throw in a Dameonic event that opens up questions over whether or not, even with their souls being much weaker, the Daemons are truly interested in having them around to eat instead, prompting a few chaotic figures to limit their growth out of self-interest.
Have the Sister's of Battle get involved in curbing the eventual Fourth Sphere expansion (because it'll fucking happen eventually) through liberal use of Acts of Faith that leaves a lot of Tau confused and their propaganda machine scrabbling to stop the inner septs from panicking, while many of the newly conquered/settled septs are getting courted by Farsight's forces, leading to internal squabbles within the Empire itself.
Basically, introduce the opening fractures within the Tau Empire, that may lead to further issues in the future.
>>44371735
blood angels are all about repeating the same mistakes over and over again
it's their chapter trait
>Rail Rifle
>R30 S6 AP1 Rapid Fire.
This will be the standard-issue assault rifle of the Tau Empire in few decades.
I have a question. So I play Tau, sparingly since it's a fucking stupid expensive hobby and I can't afford to always buy new models, let alone I don't have all my shit assembled/painted as it is.
All this being said, I picked armies that looked pleasing to me. For example, when I played in highschool, I picked up the SM and DE starter, sold the DE to my buddy. I figured it was a good entry point to the game since my only background in it was going to the local nerd emporium and ask questions to other people who played the game.
Anyways the Tau came out about that time and I had a decent SM army built up so I decided to get the Tau cause I thought they looked cool. I liked the idea of a nimble mech suit. Hell, my SM army was largely dreadnaughts ffs.
Playing again today I got back into the Tau because of their ease of play. Mostly, because I hardly have time to really dedicate to the game/hobby. Now what would you guys say to someone like me who plays Tau but honestly knows complete fuck all about their fluff or backstory aside from the fact that they are exponentially increasing in technology and they apparently can't use the warp.
Do I still fall in the lines of being a weeaboo shitlord?
Give them long-range FTL already (bought from a friendly/scheming Necron Dynasty, a gift from Their Benefactors or whatever) and make their forces appear in every corner of the galaxy.
>>44371832
if you're not drinking the kool aid of the fluff or building spam lists, you're safe
>>44371832
Like whatever you want, just don't shove it down anyone's throat. Everyone else can just fuck off.
Not even a Taufag, but their hate is ridiculous.
>>44371832
Ignorance is not an excuse.
>>44370695
Wow, someone should take a nap.
But I love seeing that kind of people complain endlessly about the Tau, it's so entertaining!
Also, nice meme.
>>44371832
Imperialfags fanboys just swallow unironically their own propaganda and are in denial that their Imperium is doomed and are destined to suffer a fate worse than the Eldar.
>>44371847
Well my army list thus far is this.
2x 12 man firewarrior squads
1x 3 crisis suits
1x 2 Broadsides
1x 3 Stealths (the newer ones, not the old models)
2x pirhanas(sp?)
1x Riptide
1x Shadowsun
Usually kit them out with whatever I feel like and whatever points allow. I usually lose most matches.
>>44371029
Will the Imperium sell Ultramar or another Sector to finance their wars vs Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons...?
>>44371878
Well what the fuck happen to the Eldar?
Cause I feel like the universe of 40k is fucking massive in scope but I would have no idea where to start for reading.
I do venture over to 1d4chan from time to time and clock around.
>>44371898
Their Galactic Empire, far more successful and brighter than the Imperium ever has been, degenerated into excess and corruption. Since the Eldar are all psykers, this triggered the birth of Slaanesh. Now all the Eldar are a dying race and doomed to see their souls eaten by Slaanesh. That's why the Eldar go around with so many jewels (they are soulstones), while the Dark Eldar are space vampires.
>>44370554
>What would it take for you to accept and/or like the Tau?
I already like them fluff-wise. They offer a nice contrast to the insane level of grot the other factoins have.
>How would you improve them?
Drone rebellion, kill off the etherials and have the rest of tau society taken over and run by Friend Computer and his drone buddies. Have a few rogue tau enclaves hanging on the fringes as alt factions like farsight's mob.
>>44371916
Also, the collapse of the Eldar Civilization gave birth to the Eye of Terror.
>>44371926
>>44371916
Looks like I have some reading to do.
>>44370554
Earth Caste/Water Caste presence on the tabletop. The Fire, Air, and Ethereal castes are represented. Give them some miniatures like Water Ninjas, or Earth Caste demolition teams.
>>44370554
>stop them from being teh bestest at everything and making every other race look incompetent and backward
>failing that, at least make it more clear that they're completely naive in believing their superiority and will get their comeuppances soon enough
>bring more forth the grimderp with massive casualties and war crimes chucked up to necessary evil and sacrifices for the greater good, blind optimism and naive attitude towards the true horrors of the universe
>more non-tau units of all sizes
>gue'vesa auxiliaries
There's plenty of this in the fluff across the years, but they're just little hints here and there.
>>44371878
>the imperium is doomed guys
>their fate is worse than the eldar
I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>44371892
Also if this is a faggot army list then let me know what you would so differently. I don't think I will use any tanks in my army list either.
The people who say that the Tau are blind and win everytime haven't read Kauyon and Mont'ka. While the average Tau is ignorant of the Galaxy at large, the Ethereals clearly know far more than they let on. Also there's a lot of Tau propaganda that covers up the fact that the victory in Kauyon costed millions of casualties while the Ethereals keep demanding more efforts and sacrifices in the name of the Greater Good. Also the Firewall in Mont'ka.
>>44371878
There's a reason nobody whines about every single IA being a crippling Imperial defeat or when other xenos races curbstomp Imperials.
Taufags like you miss the point so hard it hurts.
>>44371974
sounds like communism. Death is a preferable alternative to communism.
>>44371992
I do kind of wish IA would do another kind of plot, but at this point any IA that isn't another HH book or re-release would be a fucking blessing.
"The news of the Great Victory was also broadcast to those civilisations that had allied themselves with the Tau Empire, and even many who had not. There were those amongst them who realised that under the triumphalist claims was buried a death toll that likely spiralled into the billions. Some of their number, those who had come to truly understand the Imperium of Man, realised that the grandiose war the Water caste spoke of had every chance of drowning the Tau Empire in an unremitting tide of death."
>>44372036
>tau banners won't be presented by guardsmen to the high lords of terra during victory parades.
>>44370554
Apply more blanche to the design
And more auxiliaries
>>44371892
Why you even take fw's? They're one of the shittiest units in codex.
>>44370554
Sept specific rules for more variety and forcing them to actually consider close combat.
Farsight Enclaves should have their own power swords for their Battlesuits.
>>44370909
Nope. There were fluff pieces where Nids nommed Tomb Worlds and Necrons.
>>44372315
>Nope. There were fluff pieces where Nids nommed Tomb Worlds and Necrons.
Not really.
Tyranids nommed dormant tomb worlds which had biomass on their surfaces. The Necron tombs in the core of those devoured worlds were destroyed by earth crust shifting processes of the Tyranids. Tyranids tend to avoid active tomb worlds like they did when two tendrils made big efforts to steer away from Solemance.
Also in the "World of the Silent King" it's said that Tyranids aren't very interested in the Necrons and thatt hey would only attack Necrons in they are provoked or to defend themselves.
I guess that makes you a liar.
>>44372343
Then I got something wrong then.
Imma give this a shot, even though I hate the Tau.
The most interesting thing about the Tau is their immunity to the Warp. It makes it possible to ask what Mankind could've been like. I dislike the mecha aesthetic, but that can be fixed. What I really hate is how they're the bestest.
Based on this, I'd accept the Tau if they were still Warp-immune with advanced tech, but their mechas had a Codex Witch Hunters-aethetic, and the tide had just started to turn on them by the time of the Codex. Everything went well, but now they're getting their asses handed to them by Orks, Tyranids, Chaos and the Imperium simultaneously, and they will die, certainly, within the next 100 years or so. The Tau don't fit in because they have hope. Extinguish their hope and re-brand their mechas, and I accept them.
>>44372358
Lies.
You engaged in an obvious misinformation attack against the Necrons. Who paid you? Who are you working for?
I'd make them more humanoid in facial features, and give them hair, so they'll pretty much be blue humans.
I'd also make the suits more humanoid, as well, more 'form' and less 'function,' but also make them more evil looking, but in a cool way. Weapons would more commonly be mounted on the back, so the hands will be free to take larger guns, or melee weapons, so they can actually engage in melee.
I'd also have psykers be a more active presence, and especially pair them with Crisis Suits.
Force the increasingly isolated Imperium forces of the Imperium around the Tau, due the escalating Tyranid, Ork, Chaos and Necron wars, forge an unholy and unsanctioned alliance with the Tau. All in one: the Tau Empire expands, face bigger threats, the galaxy gets more Grim&Dark, and the stakes get higher.
>>44370734
>reminiscent of what we will be
You really are naive if you think that we'll ever get that far.
>>44371539
Might as well just delete them then. Their optimism is literally the only thing that's even remotely unique about them. They should be Brave New World, not 1984.
In this thread: people who lost too many battles to tau and now cry for their complete removal for supposed lore reasons.
Aided by the mass of weaboo haters who, like professional haters of course, have no fucking idea of what is actually the world of japanese animation and refuse it because of a group of japan-obsessing idiots making for an easy target for their hate.
We got it , it triggers you that a 40k race is not based on glorious western fantasy tropes in a space setting. It shows how limited and culturally closed you are.
>>44370554
Most of the Tau hate would go away within a year if GW brought out a new alien race.
Then we'd hate the Globbulonianazis for being too comic-book influenced even though that side of them is fairly faint and appears just as much in other armies, or for some weird lore reason that doesn't make any sense.
There'd still be the "WEEBBBBBBBB!!!!!!!" people but when internet memes mean so much to you that they affect the way you think about things entirely unrelated to 4chan, you can't ever be reached.
>>44371945
>>stop them from being teh bestest at everything and making every other race look incompetent and backward
>>failing that, at least make it more clear that they're completely naive in believing their superiority and will get their comeuppances soon enough
>>bring more forth the grimderp with massive casualties and war crimes chucked up to necessary evil and sacrifices for the greater good, blind optimism and naive attitude towards the true horrors of the universe
Have you read the last two campaign books? They do all that.
>>44370554
they are fine stop complaining nerds
>>44372789
Good Gue'la
I'd have the Tau Freedom of Religion idea fuck them over. When the Tau take over a world peacefully they allow the human (or other alien race) to worship who they want. This way lies Chaos, so I'd have some segments of the Gue'vesa'la turn to Chaos and start subverting the military against them.
>>44370554
Remove everything bigger than a broadside with legs
More vassel races
Erase them from the setting. Fuck you and your hard mode.
>>44372930
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>>44370940
>missing is an obsession with the blade due to samurai culture.
bonding knife
>>44373061
Thank you good massa, I is a happy happy auxiliary. I cut off my own dick to please the greater good. I is a right auxiliary fool.
>>44370746
Have you seen the new art? It can't get more weeb than that
>>44371878
>Tau are the only race that lacks a win condition
>it's actually the Imperium who is doomed guise
The world would be a better place if all taufags pushed a katana up their ass
This thread has so much bitterness I could salt my driveway with it.
>>44370582
Probably won't be able to pull the cultural exchange trick again tho.
Less bullshit shooty weapons
Less gundams
Have them be beaten and incorporated in the Imperium as sanctioned xenos, fully replacing squats
Have them keep their own codex but tone down the bullshit, also add sone imperium-influenced tau units
Alternatively insert tau units as special units and allies in the imperial guard codex, along with special equipment.
Remove mechs, add Tau ronin swordmasters with plasma power swords and samurai code
Add Tau railsnipers, basically a cheaper and less powerful version of a vindicare focused in anti-TEQ
Remove fucking mechs
Remove drones
>>44371992
Actually, whenever the Tau win anything there is a massive butthurt unseen when other races win.
I would know. I have been here a long time. Thus you are full of shit.
>>44373103
Actually, there win condition is to survive long enough and evolve into whatever their destiny holds. There are three Eldar prophecies about the Tau that hint the Tau possible future is of hope and greatest than surpasses even the Eldar.
In all likeliness, Chaos is going to win because Chaos is suppose to win due to the fact that it's karmatic punishment for more than 60 million years of wickedness and atrocities of the races of the galaxy. Having them survive survive their own sins crawling on their backs to slit their throats means that validation to all the evil committed in the galaxy. What kind of moral that would make?
>>44373189
Greatness*
Indeed, what moral does that make, guys? That man is beyond the consequences of his own actions?
>>44373092
I think you misunderstood the post.
>>44373103
That pic is straight out of Battletech.
>>44373189
>>44373212
But they don't have the time. Everyone else is on the verge of their win condition.
GW will just keep their plot armor and asspull some deus ex machina to save them as usual. But until then, Tau are doomed.
>>44371270
Actually they were on the verge of losing the battle when the Admiral in charge ordered everyone away, rammed the Dominus Astra into the heart of the hive fleet and detonated the warp drive which sucked all the Tyranids into the warp
One wonders why the Imperium even bothers fighting the hive fleets since one suicide ship is apparently enough
>>44373164
>Remove drones
fukin remove your face m8
>>44373189
>I would know. I have been here a long time.
Fanning the flames of Tau, Necron, Chaos and BL hate, yeah.
>>44373253
Literally nothing in your post has anything to do with the OP
>>44373217
I am drunk.
Sue me
>>44373238
Who says the galaxy will explode the instant the setting crosses into 42K? There is still some fighting left and the Tau will most likely join forces with the Ultramarines and Iyanden against the Necrons and Tyranids in the Eastern Fringes.
See WHFB End Times for example how a GW ending scenario is conducted. Nobody was "doomed Period!" each faction had an input in the story. See AoS to know that the races survived the End Times and built a great utopia that lasted an age before Chaos came along to ruin it for everyone.
>>44373284
>he doesn't recognize the shitposter that will eventually post the same thing in every thread, and has done so for months
Report it and ignore.
>>44373277
Drones suck and are the most broken bullshit in Tau army. Nothing in a tau army would be this effective without drones.
>>44373312
But they're so cute.
>>44373312
>Drones suck and are the most broken bullshit in Tau army
>>44373242
>The Silent King ravages Behemoth in his fighting retreat to the galaxy (Words of the Silent King).
>Alaitoc destroys tendrils of Behemoth to defend (Imperial armor : Doom of Mamamiascrewtheeldrlanguage)
>The Tau Empire destroys splinters of Behemoth (Tau 7th ED codex)
>An Ork Freebooter Fleet takes a heavy toll on Behemoth as heads toward Ultramar
Freaking Ultramarine plot armor. They had several races soften up the Tyranids for them and then they got saved by the Imperial Navy.
>>44373294
>13th Black Crusade has the best chance of reaching Terra, Chaos will fuck Abaddon and kill the Emperor
>Imperium can jumpstart their evolution and respawn the Emperor if the psychic STC works
>Ghaz is rounding up pretty much every Ork ever and possibly has the support of Gork and Mork
Not to mention Eldar and their silly prophecies, and Tyranids and Necrons who must just wait a little bit longer to eat or enslave everyone.
>>44370793
And you know, I really wonder why people get mad at the Tau for this.
The Tau basically refuse to fight by the 40k's rules of standards.
Instead of setting up battle lines and playing GI Joe, the Tau try and snipe and outflank everything at every time.
It's like if people whined when Dark Eldar just plain steal worlds.
Tau are basically Dark Eldar who want to secure territory in their tactics.
I mean really, who do you think would win in a fight?
WW1 Britain or Modern Day britain?
>>44373288
>Butthurt Imperialfag hates mechs.
Are you from /k/?
>>44370554
Remove the Perfectia campaign, it's pointless. Just have Agrellan war, then Voltoris, then the second Agrellan war, and change the first Agrellan war so that it was a proper campaign not one-day-planet-conquered bullshit
Have more Tau vs other xenos campaigns, or a Tau vs. Chaos campaign.
Make the Stormsurge have an enclosed crew compartment.
Have them lose once in a while. Bite off more than they can chew, get stuck in some quagmire meat grinder, occupy worlds that just won't budge, have them rub their forehead pussies in frustration at why thing won't just work their way like it does almost every other time.
As it is right now it mostly just seems like Tau easily win everything forever and ever and whenever the Imperium tries to take back a bit of territory Tau get a kill/death ratio of a billion to one and beat the imperium off and everytime two named characters clash the imperials just get their legs shot off or some such. Then it ends in the Imperium rage quitting and sorching their own worlds and half of their force to create a big flaming minor annoyance so the Tau have to shield their ships or some shit.
Off the top of my head, Tau's only defeats were the War of Dakka, which they only lost at first and then won by changing their tactics, and the one times some Deldar pranked them.
>>44370929
Waifus.
>>44373342
They were still mauled pretty badly. It took them years to scour Macragge of the Tyranids and it took another 116 years to rebuild their first company.
>>44371183
>We're making bank
Don't you mean
>We're the cuckbank for the British Empire.
>>44373370
Modern Day Britain still charges people with bayonets.
And it works.
>>44373378
But Prefectia fits the narrative. It was a planet wide ambush to kill off the marines which were the only real threat to the Tau.
>>44373339
Play a tau army without using any drone. No targeting drone, no sniper drone, nothing.
I dare you, see what happens
>>44373375
I like sentinels, dreadnoughts and rafelords.
I just despise the tau
>>44370793
didn't the imperium help them take out the hive fleet because it couldn't adapt properly to fight the tau and imperial tech at the same time
>>44373443
Play a space marine army without using any special weapons. No plasma, no melta, no grav, nothing.
I dare you, see what happens
>>44373497
Challenge accepted faggot
>>44371208
I think its just the path the hive fleets take in 3D not their actual size
>>44373496
By mistake. 12 Cadian regiments that were suppose to be reinforcements for the Damocles Crusade got transported into the future by the Warp.
Then popped up above the Tau world of Kel'shan. The Imperials began their siege of the planet but then Tyranids came along. The Tau and Imperials agreed that the Tyranids are bad news and they allied together to defeat them. Once the Hive Fleet was defeated, the Tau gave the Imperial guard gifts and medals and allowed them to leave Tau space.
>>44373504
Okay then I'll make a Tau list sans drones
>>44370583
>At this point I'll settle for those two since "they don't fit in 40k" isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the other issues.
If by that you mean it's an idiotic point that only an illiterate dipshit would find compelling. Few things are more grimdark than a otherwise well meaning race slowly uncovering the horrors of the galaxy. Some of the best fluff is Tau fluff, and only a newfag would regurgitate that tired old shit.
>>44370746
Tau are EXPLICITLY said to be modeled with a manga aesthetic by the designers themselves. It's not up for argument.
>>44373277
I didn't start the fire It was always burning since the board's been turning.*Dance*
>>44373242
Yeah, let's lose a fucking Emperor class just because.
Goddamn they are retarded
>>44373524
im pretty sure it was an entire crusade fleet
>>44370631
Go away you boring fuck
>>44373617
>Yeah, let's lose a fucking Emperor class
In exchange for a whole hive fleet. Seems like a sweet deal to me. Certainly better than having the whole fleet mauled.
>>44373622
You are wrong, matey. It was just reinforcements to the Damocles Crusade that was screwed by time shenanigans.
>>44373633
The problem is that replacing an Emperor class is impossible for the Imperium. And let's be honest, the nids managed to bait them into a trap. If only they could've retreat to a more advantageous position they would have still won that battle.
>>44373669
>The problem is that replacing an Emperor class is impossible for the Imperium
Replacing a whole fleet is even worse.
>And let's be honest, the nids managed to bait them into a trap. If only they could've retreat to a more advantageous position they would have still won that battle
Well, that's a separate story but retreating would still mean fighting again another day and risk loses far beyond a single ship
>>44373692
But think about the damage to the fabric of reality. The barrier that separates the Warp and reality is steadily growing thinner. You can't just open warp vortexes willy nilly.
>>44373731
>You can't just open warp vortexes willy nilly.
Like they do every time they use their warp drives for regular travel?
Surely all tau players aren't faggots? I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but the few that I've run into where all massive faggots. A kid playing tau in my local geedubs told me that 30k space marine legions where to OP to be fun to play against while he was setting up an army that seemed to consist entirely of riptides and pathfinders.
>>44373724
>. the Second Damocles crusade first is change it so the crusade covered a much wider area the what the tau hoped for when they set up their ambush it causes more devastation and loses to the tau even if the did manage to deal a significant blow to the space marines it should still have cost them significant number of recourses and manpower which for the tau is a bigger problem to replace then the imperium. also make some tau start to question the empires capability because of the damage the crusade did
This is....a clear proof that you did not read any of the Damocles Warzone books. Kauyon and Mont'ka to be particular. The ending pages of their narrative sections to be specific.
>>44372392
...you want protoss. you sly bastard.
>>44370661
It's mostly 40kids being angry that the Tau actually has an expanding empire like it would matter in a setting that's already doomed.
>>44370554
>What would it take for /tg/ to accept and/or like the Tau?
A grinch-like epiphany where /tg/ realizes if their only source of Tau fluff is the shit fluff /tg/ makes up, their impression of the Tau will get progressively worse over time.
>>44373756
Small ones. Though, I think it's stated somewhere that areas of heavy warp traffic are blighted. Don't take my word for it. I will dig for it later.
Anyways, the ship opened up a rift big enough to swallow a Hive Fleet. That isn't your typical Warp travel. Punching a hole that big i reality has consequences.
>>44373759
The Tau player at my FLGS is a cool guy, I don't see him often but I'm not there often myself.
>>44373802
>Small ones.
So what? One somewhat larger hole cannot possibly compare to the millions they create on a regular basis.
>Anyways, the ship opened up a rift big enough to swallow a Hive Fleet.
That hive fleet was heavily concentrated since they were engaged in pitched battle with the Imperial Navy so the area involved probably wasn't that big
>Punching a hole that big i reality has consequences.
Well, apparently it didn't have any since nothing at all is mentioned.
>>44373397
Well, the CSM codex has this conflict which as far as I'm aware is still unresolved:
>920.M41 The Blood Tithe
>The Tau Empire expands into uncharted territory, hoping to bring new populations into their fold. The Tau diplomats forge an uneasy peace upon the planet of Ur-Clemait, a world that has been consumed with civil war for centuries, simply by supplying one side of the warring factions with hi-tech pulse weaponry. Though most of the remaining population seems content with the Tau’s enforced pacification, the elders and priests of the old faith are distraught, insisting that the Blood Tithe must continue to be met. While most of the wizened priests try to incite rebellion against the xenos, several attack the Tau directly, clawing feebly at their battlesuits or even taking their own lives in messy displays of martyrdom.
>The puzzled Tau continue their mission of absorption and assimilation, but before the year is out, the Word Bearers arrive to enforce the neglected Blood Tithe. They attack the newly prosperous world of Ur-Clemait in terrible force, chanting prayers of appeasement to the Dark Gods as they cut down human and xenos alike. The Tau Fire Caste meet the invasion head-on, and the world is plunged into an ongoing war far more terrible than the ritual struggles of old that had once provided payment.
Nimbosa gave them trouble too. As I recall, Brightsword's original invasion/grorious gue'la genocide was followed by an Imperial crusade including Black Templars, and the Tau codex timeline described the world as changing hands many times and still being a war zone.
>>44373496
The 5th edition fluff also noted that Gorgon's adaptability came with a glaring weakness which the Tau eventually figured out and exploited. The 6th edition codex ignored this completely, but still had the Tau being pushed back until the alliance at Ke'lshan.
>>44373759
The Tau player in my group kind of is, but he mostly just takes options he thinks are cool. He's got quite a few battlesuits, but lacks many markerlights. He doesn't really power game with it either.
That said, most people do struggle against his army just due to how solid a lot of the units are. Though it may just be due to our poor terrain and lack of understanding of the terrain rules.
>>44373871
>Brightsword's original invasion/grorious gue'la genocide was followed by an Imperial crusade i
Was it a genocide, though? I recall that Brightsword just ruthlessly destroyed the defenders. I didn't see anything about genocide of the local population. I mean Nimbosa was a Hive World. Who in his right mind would expend that much effort to wipe out those multitudes of humans? Not a Tau dude.
Also It doesn't fit Brightsword characterization from the Farsight novel.
>>44373585
Cite that shit then, nigga.
>>44373766
Ha-ha, I've never played Starcraft.
I'm really just a Gundam fan who never got the appeal of Tau when people said 'why don't you like Tau if you like Gundam,' so I thought I'd make it more like Gundam.
>>44373905
Cities of Death called it "the systematic extermination of the populace". The book's quite old now, and I think out of print - pretty sure the rules at least were updated elsewhere - but I always remember that fluff because of how (deliberately) out of character it was for the Tau, and Brightsword was notable precisely for being something of an extremist.
>>44374198
Thanks.
Damnit Brightsword.
If the Imperium wanted to exterminated the Tau, they should have done it during the Damoecles Crusade, when they could afford to throw away Titans. Now it is too late. Not just because the Tau keep advancing, but also because every other, far more serious and immediate ,apocalyptic threats keeps growing in power.
>>44372376
Calm down, son. He just got info wrong. It's not like he raped your wife and kids.
>>44370593
>>44370612
This.
>>44373294
On the first second of the 42nd millenium, the gravitational constant goes from 6.674×10^(−11) N⋅m^2/kg^2 to -6.674×10^(−11) N⋅m^2/kg^2. Everything not held together by the strong or weak force in the universe explodes.
>>44373766
>protoss
>humanlike suits
pick one
I'd actually take less of a focus on the tau themselves. They, in the lore, area confederation of minor xenos races gathered around the tau, as well as xenos mercenaries sometimes.
I'd like to see where GW go with Tau now having a puppet holographic leader.
You could have Aun Va AI go full Asimov, or used as a front to continue lying to the people with a greater rift forming between the ruling and serving classes that already exist.
