I dont trust /v/, so which is the best shadowrun game?
Also, Shadowrun thread.
My diiiiiick
We already have a Shadowrun thread.
Hong Kong.
>>44343986
Yeah, I just say that. Sorry.
>>44343952
Dragonfall has the best story
Hong Kong has the best gameplay
Honestly I feel like Shadowrun is still waiting for its really good game. Both HK and Dragonfall become a bit of a drag as they roll on and the SR games really need to do a game that's bigger and freer in scale.
I'd HK has the more interesting villain, better supporting cast, more interesting location and gameplay. Dragonfall ultimately probably has the better plotted story and if you split the two evenly, more of the more interesting missions.
Returns
>>44343986
>hong kong
Dragonfall was better, you nip.
>>44344246
Honestly I've been waiting for that kind of turn-based RPG for years. You kids with your cawaduties and skyrims can leave the shadowruns to old farts like me.
>>44343952
Just play all of them and make your own conclusions, even the "bad" one is still pretty good.
>>44343952
snes bitches
Trolls > Elves = Orks > Humans > Dwarves
Official waifu-potential power rankings do not steal
Also, depends. Dragonfall had the better story and characters in my opinion, but Hong Kong had more stuff and better overall gameplay. It's apples and oranges really.
>>44345110
>You kids
This is a bit of a weird comment to address. I really like isometric turn-based squad-level games, and Baldur's Gate 2 is one of my definitive, all-time favourite games. I don't play CoD games and I got bored of Skyrim very quickly.
I'm assuming you have played the same stalwarts of the isometric squad-based genre as me - BG1 and BG2, Fallout 1 and 2, Planescape: Torment. Do you really think Shadowrun Returns, HK or Dragonfall are as good as those?
I think the static hub and the limited palette of missions is a really tough barrier to overcome. I also think the games are very reliant on a small pool of characters, who I wouldn't say are universally great, and more importantly a limited form of interaction. HK's gradual upping of the creepy factor is a great idea, but it's a lot less interesting when it's directly spelled out to you in repetitive dialogue choices or text dream sequences. I appreciate this is a budget constraint in many ways but I think if SR wants to have a truly great game it has to overcome this.
>>44345168
It's
>Orks = Elves > Trolls > Humans > Dwarves
>>44343952
TOP TIER
>Hong Kong
>Dragonfall Director's Cut
Good Tier:
>SNES Shadowrun
OK Tier:
>Genesis Shadowrun
>Shadowrun Returns (Dead Man's Switch)
Shit Tier:
>Windows Live Shadowrun.
>>44344246
>I'd HK has the more interesting villain
What? That Yama Queen thing is supremely dull compared to Adrian Vauclair.
>>44345295
>>44345370
>Beliving 'random evil thing from the outer void wanting to conquer earth' being better than a villain with an actual backstory, motive, goal, and reason to do what he does.
Trogs like you should be shot on sight to improve metahumanity's genepool!
>>44345470
Alright so actually I think Vauclair is pretty okay as a villain. He does have motivation like you point out and he has a backstory (which isn't delivered in all that an interesting way but hey). I think that 'motive' 'goal' and 'reason' all kind of bleed into the same territory though.
Fundamentally though, the Yama King is just way more aesthetically appealing to me than Vauclair. The teeth symbolism, the reality-warping slum and living nightmare experiences, the gate, the weird obtuse laws it can't violate, etc. It is just more my jam than some scientist guy.
>>44345295
>Implying the Queen with a Thousand Teeth was the main villain of Hong Kong
>Implying the real villain wasThe Past
>>44345010
Hong Kong was more defined
>>44345917
*REfined dammit
Hong Kong gave us Gobbet and Racter, who are the two broest of the broest crew.
Character wise, I love it.
Story wise, I think DMS had the best story, because it was actually you doing the investigating, as opposed to Dragonfall and Hong Kong where a third party was doing everything for you.
>>44346127
>Discounting Dietrich in favor of a sociopath
>>44343952
Hong Kong, but they're all relatively sub par as far as games go, hong kong should have given you way more money by the end
>>44343952
On that matter which edition of shadow run is the best?
>>44343952
I think spoony hates all of the games because they're slow
4e
>>44346468
>Referring to a celebrity YouTuber opinion
I don't get why people do this. At least professional critics have the pretense of objectivity.
>>44346569
CRITICISM IS INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE ASSHOLE
>>44346468
I used to like Spoony. But he bitches about everything now. Everything. He's turned into a spiteful coot.
He was bitching about how he hates Christmas earlier on Twitter and that was genuinely the last straw for me.
>>44347581
So what? Will he be visited by the ghost of his Career past?
>>44347581
Everything isn't like the 1990's and now it SUUUUUUUUUUCKS! BETRAYAL! I have Patreon now and haven't made anything in a year.
>>44347159
StandardS of objectivity and consistency is the basis of valid criticism. It's how we separate serious critiques (how it fails and why) from 'just my opinion (I don't like it).
Spoony does 'just my opinion. His 5e review basically boils down to 'it's not second ed'
>>44347672
Except 4E was as far from second edition as you can get and he still liked it. I still can't wrap my head around why he doesn't like 5E even after he spent two hours explaining his opinion.
>>44347695
I thought he hated 4e AND 5e and was a 3aboo?
>>44347711
No. He hates 3rd edition but likes Pathfinder. He was one of the earliest to review 4E and said he liked the balance and the design direction. He again reiterates this point in the start of his 5E rample that he liked 4E.
>>44347667
You know, I wonder if it's his meds that did it. Because I know anti-depressants can really, really fuck you up when it comes to feeling things in general.
>>44347729
Dammit. I'd forgotten that. As a 4e fan I'm feeling a bit of shame.
The funny thing? It's not that hard to find something to concretely dislike about 5e (Though if you can call it objectively wrong is very questionable. I don't like 5e but that's opinion.) but his ramble...isn't good for that.
>>44343952
5th ed is pretty great.
>>44343952
>bawww, /v/ hurt muh feefees pls suck my dick /tg/ us fa/tg/uyz amirite
Pls consider suicide
>>44346283
A sociopath who is like 'You are awesome, and I really want to you to see the awesome cyber-future with me.'
Dietrich is awesome and all, but sometimes you'd just rather have a dependable bro who will help keep you alive than a dude who might come to you someday and go 'Bro, Dragonslayer told me to go after the next big bad. So I just took a job to hit the Azzies. That's cool with you, right?'
>>44345237
Maybe on the Tabletop but Trolls are objectively the best in the HBS games because you get more free stat points at no cost, and Body is one of your free stats - which gives you more health and makes the whole game more forgiving. Sure, you're limited at endgame, but I ran with BD5 ST6 WP6 CH5 as my highest stats at endgame as a Troll Adept.
>>44347818
/v/ is pretty much incapable of giving an objective and useful opinion on fucking anything. It's a cancerous boil full of salty bile.
>>44347965
That's how I can tell you've never been.
And /tg/ is exponentially worse when it comes to shitty, subjective, and all around uninformed opinions, especially where vidya or anime is concerned.
>>44346391
the one with the 80s best hits soundtrack
>>44347942
He's talking about waifu potential, anon.
>>44348053
Troll girls are much cuter than orks, though. Especially since they can be either big ol musclegirls or adorable hacker lolis with sheep horns depending on how your tastes run.
>>44348092
I've not seen a troll that wasn't a big ole' muscle girl... Not saying that's a problem, but orcs and elves are human enough to pull off any style while still being different enough to have an exotic charm. I'd even put trolls behind humans (although only just so), but dwarves would still sit comfortably at the bottom.
>>44348418
Japanese depictions of trolls are all suave yet hueg businessman or adorable sheeplolis.
They have the cutest orks, too.
Since Dietrich vows to protect the Flux, do you think you kill him later for Lofwyr?
>>44348570
I dunno, ask /v/
>>44348007
To be fair, either way, I think the issue is more about what you want to know. Which is the better game? Go to /v/. Which is the better Shadowrun game? Thats /tg/ territory realistically.
>>44349131
>Thats /tg/ territory realistically.
Not unless you're talking about PnP editions. Maybe the mote lore faithful game is /tg/ territory, but that's not what OP asked. He asked which is the better GAME, and that's something /v/ is more qualified to answer.
They'll just probably do si while calling you a faggot and posting troll porn.
>>44345225
No they aren't as good. They are also very different in there play style. BG and BG2 allow you to explore the entire world with extra parts opening up as you finish chunks of the main story. Whereas the Shadowrun games follow a linear path where you have to complete the side quests to drive forwards the main story similar to the icewind dale series or the NWN games instead.
Both series are great but i think the main reason BG and BG2 stood out so much is that my runthrough would be vastly different from yours based on my choices, where as shadowrun would be the same, excpet you played a different character.
Also why im here, is wastelamd 2 worth getting for $20ish during the steam sale?
>>44349562
I dunno, ask /v/
>>44348007
Wait, no, you're right, I was thinking of /vg/. I've never been to /v/.
>>44349562
No idea, sorry. I haven't played it.
>>44343952
I've beaten Returns and it was fun. Dragonfall I'm partway through and it is less fun. I haven't played Hong Kong yet.
>>44345578
boom.
>>44351315
>Dragonfall is less fun than Returns
Wat. Explain yourself, sir, because it appears as though you are lying.
>>44345246
>hating on the best shooter in a while
Bro, bro, bro.
It might not have been broody deckers and angsty metahumans.
But that shit was fun. Elfan with wired reflexes, teleport and katanas was fucking awesome.
>>44345168
I wanted to waifu Is0bel, when all we had was concept art for Hong Kong. Then I played the game, found out Is0bel was a bratty cunt, and Gobbet was an incredible bro who just wanted to share her food and tell you cool stories about her runs. How did I end up with Gobbet as my waifu?
>>44352004
It really wasn't a Shadowrun game.
Just the fact that there was teleportation at all disqualifies it. Teleportation is right up there with time travel as a thing that explicitly does not and cannot, even with magic, exist in the setting.
>>44352062
Oh, you're one of those.
>>44352093
One of what, anon? Someone who wants things set in the setting to actually be set in the setting and not just a generic non-setting with a coat of paint?
>>44349487
>/v/
>Qualified for ANYTHING.
>>44343952
Hong Kong.
Talking with Gaichu is probably the most fun I had playing Shadowrun Returns.
>>44352125
You know exactly what you are. A grog so hung up on the setting that you couldn't enjoy a simple shooter which also gave shadowrun some face time.
>>44343952
Dragonfall
HK is better but it doesn't have muh chrome waifu
>>44352127
What do you mean?
They are the ultimate authority in tumblr affairs.
Have been wanting to pick up Hong Kong during all the sales (pref on gog) but are they planning on releasing a Directors cut like they did for Dragonfall?
>>44352687
AFAIK, no. directors cut was released because it made a bunch of UI adjustments and some good mechanics changes. HK isn't really in dire need of those the way the original SRR was.
>>44352687
No Director's cut, but they're planning to release a mini-campaign early next year.
Getting off topic slighty, if you could have any sort of Shadowrun game, what sort of game would it be? (Shooter, Open World, City Builder Strategy?)
>>44355473
Turn based rpg
>>44355473
Open World in the Shadowrun universe would be pretty great, if it was done well.
>>44355473
ME style shooter.
>>44355473
MMORPG
Why are Dwarfs referenced so fucking little in Shadowrun
In fact, in Shadowrun lore the relevance of the races and their screen time is as follows: Humans>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragons>Elves>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Trolls>Orks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dwarfs
The fuck?
>>44355473
Any sort of action/rpg. First person or third person, so long as you can improve your abilities with karma, improve your weapons/wares with nuyen, and feel like a Shadowrunner.
>>44355895
No matter what issue you may take with Shadowrun, they at least got one thing right: dwarves a shit and boring to boot.
>>44352127
>/tg/
>qualified for anything beyond sucking one's own dick to the tune of stale memes
>>44355895
I really only know Shadowrun from the games and osmosis here, but I've wondered the same thing. I guess it's just what happens when you aren't more dumb and violent than humans or don't have any wacky ancient conspiracies, but it seems like they're sort of underrepresented
>>44356024
The really don't have anything going for them except being short humans with darkvision (thermal?).
Y'know, elves are beautiful, pompous cunts, orks are ugly and violent, trolls are fucking huge and have horns. There really isn't anything special there for dwarves.
>>44356003
That would still actually be one more thing that /tg/ is qualified to do that /v/ is unable to do so his point would still stand
>>44347829
Good luck dealing with the 2060s version of Hannibal Lecter sans cannibalism. Better not let him get bored of you - something he tells you outright does happen.
>>44356098
Seeing as it's a post made by /tg/ that serves to fellate /tg/, it's ability to do anything (such as judge /v/, for instance) is pretty much null.
Shadowrun Cast list:
Duncan: LG -> LN
Is0bel: N
Gobbet: CN
Rachter:LE
Gaichu: LN
Raymond: NG
Josephine: LE
Empress: LE
Also best girl isCrafty
>>44356149
>pigeonholing everyone into D&D alignments like some kinda autist
Full fucking retard.
>>44356142
No I agree, /tg/ has its problems. Chiefly the autistic obession of sharimg with the board their depraved sexual fetishes like: "HOW WOULD ONE GO ABOUT FUCKING A NON-EUCILD CRABKIN WHO IS SOLEY COMPRISED OF GELATINOUS CUBES?"
But even with their chronic autism, /tg/ doesn't even begin to descend into the depths of faggotry that /v/ plummets to on an hourly basis.
>>44356184
>But even with their chronic autism, /tg/ doesn't even begin to descend into the depths of faggotry that /v/ plummets to on an hourly basis.
I disagree. Like, on every level.
The biggest difference is that /tg/ has deluded themselves into thinking their shitposts are quality discussions on elven dickgirls whereas /v/ - and pretty much every board other than /co/ - acknowledges shitposting for what it is.
>>44355766
Oh god that hit me right in the wallet. fucking want
>>44355766
>ME style shooter
So...a shitty one?
>>44355766
No. Payday. Multi-stage heists, break-ins, assasinations, etc. Give everyone roles to take, so you sweat it out as the samurai, hoping the infiltrator is in position and the decker has done his damn job before you go hot.
>>44356149
I would waifu the best girl.
>>44347829
He's not a bro, the guy will dump you as soon as its convienient. Left his last party high and dry for that exact reason. And his whole idea for a cyber future is hopelessly misguided. He and all who associate with him are doomed. Guy has no soul.
>>44348092
>Troll girls are much cuter than orks
Gobbet says hi
>>44345295
>Adrian Vauclair
I know there's a vague statute of limitations on this sort of thing, but you should probably spoiler that.
>>44352173
Even if it was a good game, that does not make it a good SHADOWRUN game, anon. It was a perfectly generic shooter that didn't represent the tone or the lore of the setting at all, to the point where they should have just titled it something different and let it be a standalone game.
>>44345237
nah mate have you seen the dorf chick in HK?
I would dick her til the end of time
>>44356501
As long as the devs aren't shitfags like overshill I'd be all the fuck over that.
>>44343952
Skrillex-haired fem Not!Orc best Not!Orc
>>44356927
If you push to the end of Racter's dialogue tree he indicated he'll see his idea of a future through with you. He has no reason to lie, and it's entirely plausible he holds you in higher regard than his last party (although that party did have the awesome Lucky Strike, so he obviously has bad taste).
He really was one of the best SR characters to date - I think he and Gobbet were the standouts in HK. Gaichu was cool conceptually but a bit disappointing in practice.
>>44358635
Pretty much all of HK's cast was nice. is0bel for instance is the best lame hacker added to a party to date (though admittedly, her competition for the role is fucking blitz), Duncan Donuts is the best straight man (in the vein of Eiger or Coyote), etc, etc.
>>44358664
I can't really rate Is0bel in comparison to Blitz because, as you say... it's fucking Blitz. Her solo mission was really fun though. Duncan just got on my nerves to be honest, they should have been a lot more adventurous with how they did his character.
My overall favourites are Dietrich, Racter, Gobbet and Glory. I don't understand why the games won't give you a non-lame hacker or a pure mage.
>>44345142
that's the genesis opening
and the SNES one is a mediocre adventure game.
>>44346391
was that ever even translated
>>44358635
He is a callous man with an inability to form meaningful connections. He doesn't lie, but he gets disinterested. He's the kind of guy you can grow to like but never trust.
And you konw, essence loss is a big deal. Anecdotal evidence that amounts to "but I didn't feel it!" is really weak.
>>44343986
>>44345010
In al fairness, one should wait for the HK Director's Cut. Dragonfall was better by a not exactly small amount after it.
Even so, I'd say: Dragonfall gets points for story, HK for better mechanics and a couple of runs. Also, more noncombat solutions.
I'm hype for the Hong Kong mini!
>>44343952
Man, I love this orc! She's from 2ds story, right?
>>44349562
Combat get's a tad easy after a while (though it might pick up later again, I'm not done yet. And I didn't try the highest difficulty.), but apart from that I'd say go for it.
>>44356989
I might be remembering that wrong or incomplete, but isn't him being the villain obvious after ca. 2 hours or so after he's being introduced?
>>44359002
SPRITES motherfucker
>>44356149
>Crafty
>best girl
Isn't she freakishly tall?
not nearly as much art for the HK crew, is there?
>>44356149
Duncan shifts from LG to NG. C'mon, dude.
>>44359340
is dat some peekaf?
>>44343952
>I dont trust /v/
You are a wise anon.
>>44352040
I was so damn disappointed. Shortstacked chocolate made my dick diamonds, but Is0bel's character just flat-out sucks. Then you have the best character in someone who looks like she would smell like a waterlogged corpse.
I don't really do the waifu thing, but damn if that didn't hurt my soul.
>>44352004
I always went elf with teleport, revive, katana. Being the team medic was fun.
>>44351315
While I am willing to accept your opinion as such: Is there a reason to that decision? Or is it simply your opinion?
>>44348418
Elegan/tg/entlemen please. All the metahumans are just lovely...
>>44356184
>>44356208
At least /v/ and /tg/ are better than /lit/.
>>44351315
I have played through all of the Hare Brained Scheme's Shadowrun games. I wouldn't call any of them bad. Returns is okay and as a first entry in the series while solid it does not hold a candle to the other two. DF:DC expanded the scope of the game world and the story ofa conspiracy that involves a supposedly killed dragon, a horrorific AI lurking about,and an Anarchistic state fitting into the Shadowrun world are all great but the gameplay was more or less the same as its predecessor for good and ill. HK has an engaging story in its own right but I think it is far too wordy for its own good but the gameplay has been tweaked in some lovely ways such as the new dragon leylines which allow spells to effect random targets (in addition to the main one) and the decking being way better due to (mostly) playing like a little stealth minigame till you get spotted.
Overall the HBS games are good and I look forward to future SR games from them.
>>44359698
At least /lit/ is better than /mu/.
>>44359716
I know I'm stocked as hell for their Battletech game.
Apparently a good friend of mine lives right near their office. I tried to ask them If they would give me a quick tour of the studio, but they told me it would take all of 5 minutes and wouldn't be that interesting.
>>44358684
Tell me fellow denizens of /tg/ what would you look for in a SR Decker?
While I don't hate Is0bel I think she was much less interesting than the other members of the HK crew and honestly I think Maximum Law would have been an amazing character to run with.BOOM!
>>44343952
Isn't there one with her in a dress?
>>44359300
Freakishly, no. Unusually, yes. There is nothing wrong with tall women...
>>44359782
Almost forgot about the Battletech game they're making. Shit looks so cash and I'm jonsing for some turn-based giant mech action.
>>44359788
a comfy lair
>>44345168
Trolls = Orcs > Dwarves > Humans >>>>>>>>>>> Elves
>>44359788
> Tell me fellow denizens of /tg/ what would you look for in a SR Decker?
For there to be more than one hacker,
the only class that's mandatory in just about every mission and they make it the worst character in both DF and HK
Also did that big DLC that was supposed to take place after the Hong Kong ending come out yet?
>>44360049
>Also did that big DLC that was supposed to take place after the Hong Kong ending come out yet?
January or February I think.
>>44343952
I have a deep desire to impregnate this ork
>>44351911
It's significantly less engaging than Returns. Nothing about any of it draws me in and makes me want to play more, unlike in Returns.
>>44360350
I WANNA FUCK HER
I can't figure out what kind of character I want to play in Draginfall. Played PhysAd in DMS.
>>44360988
Deckers are usually the best, since the NPC deckers are almost universally terrible.
>>44360998
I dunno. Feels like Blitz does alright.
>>44360350
Hurry up, anon. I hear she's 30 years old, and probably won't live to see her children all grown up.
>>44360988
Decker or Decker/Rigger. I think strictly speaking the "best" class to play Dragonfall is the same one Monika is - Assault Rifle Decker.
I always thought it was kind of interesting how the main villains of the Shadowrun games never end up being corporations. I mean yeah, you fight corps here and there, and the villains sometimes use them towards their own ends, but there's nothing really "corporate" about them, which I really like.
>>44361233
Yeah, I mean corporations in SR are shady as fuck, but for the most part their agenda is to make money and that's reasoning most people can get behind. All the main villians are things or people whose reasoning is either batshit or entirely alien.
>>44360350
>>44361233
Corps are just too big and powerful as a whole. And only 1 or 2 really have an agenda you could fight, rather than just being very large and having an intention to make a profit.
>>44343952
>street sam gets convinced to act as a distraction for someone with a thing for rough girls on a run
>>44361344
>5 months later
>>44361371
It could literally be a plot of Shadowrun romcom trid.
>>44361510
>She knew how to run... but not how to walk... down the AISLE彼女はAISLEダウン....歩くする方法はない実行する方法を知っていた...しかし、
>>44361344
I know exactly why I have this boner
>>44361730
Dragonball~=King Kong>Returns>>the FPS
Can't speak for the SNES or Genesis ones.
>>44360936
I WANNA LET HER FUCK ME
>>44361039
Do Orks age super fast or do a vast majority of them die violently before they get old?
>>44362105
I think they age normally but die much earlier.
>>44362049
>let
She gonna take what she wants, anon. Ain't any "letting" going on here.
>>44362871
>implying badass street sam chicks aren't sweet, tender lovers.
>>44363115
>implying I wouldn't ask her to manhandle and may be evenhold handsandchokeme
>>44356501
Enable backstabbing a la Kane & Lynch 2, and I'm in.
>>44358684
>>44358664
Is0bel was USEFUL in a lot of ways that Blitz just wasn't. Grenade Launcher was fuckballs awesome, the bleedout pistol was always good, and she never felt like dead weight. I really just wish her character was more interesting, because I was taking her along on every run, and while she was always useful, she could have been a more engaging character. Especially since you need a decker on almost every run.
>>44359403
>I was so damn disappointed. Shortstacked chocolate made my dick diamonds, but Is0bel's character just flat-out sucks.
I know right? Oh well, her image is in the files and so's her character model, so maybe someone will make a non-shitty version of her for some UGC.
>>44359788
>I think Maximum Law would have been an amazing character to run with.
Maxie Law is the kind of decker who you go on runs with, and then one day you come home and there's a megacorp hitsquad waiting for you because your decker has been posting vids and stories about your runs on the matrix to brag about it.
>>44360049
>Also did that big DLC that was supposed to take place after the Hong Kong ending come out yet?
Not yet. We saw some concept art from it, but that's all.
>>44360988
Deckers are usually the best, Because Blitz is a fucking moron, but if you go PhysAd again you won't be disappointed. Adepts were improved on in each iteration of the game.
>>44363470
>implying corp wouldn't hire someone to sabotage her robot arm so she chokes you to death
Her name is Chica by the way
>>44364182
>her name is girl
>>44364193
Yeah.
>>44364242
>your name is anon
>>44364264
Totes.
This is shadowrun you moron, you always work by nickname.
>>44364327
>my name is anon
>>44364182
What's the source?
>>44364327
>tfw when my chummers nickname me cockgoblin
>>44364547
The guy who plays her said so
>>44364749
What is it from?!
>>44364821
someone's shadowrun game?
>>44355473
stealth + cover third person shooter + RPG
and make it online at that so that you can have an entire team working together but not controlled by one character
what i'd love about this is that just like in any cooperative game, runs can go sideways and you'd have to deal with it and carry on as best as you can, i would make it so failed actions could ante up the difficulty for all the players but make it so that you're not bound to a "mission" or "session" so if shit goes down badly you can drop whoever and try to bolt out of there and abandon the mission, with all the reputation drawbacks that it would bring
plus most archetypes would have different kinds of gameplay and it would be pretty cool
>>44362459
Nah, they grow up real fast too. Generally adultish by the time they're 12 or so.
>>44366496
>>44362105
>>44362459
Average lifespan of an Orc is 30-35. They age about twice as fast as humans, reaching sexual and physical maturity at 12 or so.
Looking at the 5E rulebook right now.
>>44366952
it also says 40 is average human life span
The book averages life spans.
orks can reach age 60 and 70 without an issue if they simply aren't shot to death.
>>44367139
>averages global life spans
forgot to add that word.
>>44361371
>From first meeting to marriage in 5 months
Orcs move fast.
>>44355811
This desu senpai, I like the idea of mummorpugger but usually dislike how the non-MMO, non-RPG mechanics are implemented (Juggling cooldowns? Really, Blizzard? That's what you want your combat to be like? Is that what you find fun?)
Anyway, I can just imagine going on a raid with my guild working just like going on a run with my chummers. It sounds like it could be lots of fun if the game was otherwise well-designed.
>>44367199
Guess it comes with the life expectancy of 60 years
>>44367271
orks can live longer
if a human can live 100 years, an ork can live about 85
hell, book thinks elves can live 200
>>44367642
They think. No elf has been around long enough to test their upper age limit, although the earliest elves are hitting their 70s and 80s and don't act or look anywhere near that old.
>>44367139
No it doesn't. I just poured over my books again and it Specifically says they have a much shorter lifespan then humans. 40 is VERY OLD for an Orc.
>>44368235
Also double checked on the Wiki and an older books.
>>44368235
I thought 40 was trolls and 60 was orks. Either way, I know both have drastically reduced lifespans.
>>44368318
Looks like you had it backwards.
>It is assumed that trolls have an average life expectancy of approximately fifty years, but this number varies depending on social conditions and environment
I grabbed that off the wiki.
>>44368449
Seems about right. For some reason, I was thinking Trolls had the shortest since they get the shit end of nearly every stick.
>>44347965
I don't think that asking a collective of anonymous people is a good way to establish an objective ANYTHING, really.
What if medical science has advanced enough that life expectancies are different than what they were in the 4th world?
>>44368661
What?
>>44359733
At least /mu/ is better than /po/
>>44369719
It always comes back to /pol/. Why does it always have to come back to /pol/
How "doable" is a troll deckerthat goes around shattering shitters with hand razorsin hk?
also, if cyberweapons occupy the unarmed slot, can adepts use the alongside qi/chi casting without much penalty?
>>44370820
>/po/ = /pol/
>>44370849
You know, I checked to see that was just a typo and didn't see a /po/.
Why do we have a paper craft/origami board? What the hell?
>>44370880cyberchastity belt
>>44362105
Both. As has been said, Orks rarely reach 40
So i noticed something odd while playing around with portraits in HK. Rather than being listed as elffemale like the rest of the, well, female elf portraits this one is listed as elftrans.Not sure if that means that anything or not, just found it interesting.
>>44370872
Its pretty much /pol/s vacation board. There's almost always a couple threads about folding swastikas or panzers.
>>44371024
we've been over this
>>44371447
sorry chummer, i'm new here.
>>44371452
the short answer is, porn was drawn, faps were had, and no one really cared
>>44371457
interesting, where could i find these? for , you know... science?
>>44371473
You'd have to find the old threads on /v/ or see if someone saved any of them
>>44358664
>>44358684
>>44364146
What's with all the Blitz hate? I understand he was a fuckup every now and then but I thought he was pretty bro.
>>44367139
The hell happened? 40 isn't even the global life expectancy now
>>44371814
The fucking magitek apocalypse happened, nigga. A great winged creature sprung forth in South America and started owning the place, Dragons and all manner of strange and terrible beasts started killing all the normal people.
>>44371605
well after much searching i found what appears to be the archived threadwith no attached image files
if anyone actually has any of them saved, could you either post or make an imgur of them?
>>44371912
Anon I was just screwing with you on the porn front, I mean, some porn of a trans elf exists all over the place, but there was never porn posted in a thread on /v/, it would have been removed from any archive anyways
>>44371934
reeeeee
>>44371941
Have at it skipper
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=futanari+elf&pid=210
>>44343952
So... is she acting... or did she get convinced into loading some skillsoft that's now puppeteering her because her own flirting skills weren't up to par?
>tfw her crew doesn't think to deactivate it until the next day after she's already hooked up with somebody
>>44371874
And here I was under the impression dragons were rather friendly
>>44371807
>every now and then
Blitz never did a single goddamn thing without fucking something up in Dragonfall.
I mean yeah, he was charming, funny, and a good character, but he's extraordinarily incompetent. And kind of a dick, to be honest.
>>44371961
From what I remember of the story, she's acting. Target has a thing for female orcs, so her crew makes her go in and try to seduce him (distract, really) so they can get at some stuff in his van.
>>44372087
Anon wasn't looking for a genuine answer, he was trying to incite fetishistic writefaggotry
>>44372117
>>44371988
Sure, now that they own everything.
>>44372075
>charming, funny, and a good character
>Blitz
kek
>>44370849
Cyberweapons are much more viable in HK than Dragonfall.
>>44372301
I liked him. He pissed me off every time he talked, but at least he brought something new to the table.
>>44372303
Are there any cyberweapons in Dragonfall? I can't seem to find any. I'm playing Director's Cut.
>>44372321
No, there aren't. Only in HK
>>44372087
Does anybody have a link to the story?
>>44364146
>Maxie Law is the kind of decker who you go on runs with, and then one day you come home and there's a megacorp hitsquad waiting for you because your decker has been posting vids and stories about your runs on the matrix to brag about it.
This is too close to home for my current shadowrun 4th ed character...
>Be me in my current shadowrun 4th ed game
>playing a decker myself
>Have cybernetic eyes
>RECORD EVERYTHING
>make movie off of all our stupid shenanigans
>Make a deal with Horizon to erase us in turn for all of our footage in which they make movies from
>my decker has his name as a producer for these blockbuster hits
>Get "erased daily" as our deal with them
>Our cover story for blowing shit up is literally that we are just "look a likes" or we are actors filming these movies so the destruction is not real
>>44343952
Hong Kong or Dragonfall Director's Cut are both great. I lean more on Dragonfall, but I loved both, and both are definitely worth playing.
>>44359169
I'd be surprised if HK got the Director's Cut treatment. Dragonfall was originally just another campaign for Returns after all, that was then expanded out further into a fully fledged sequel. HK was a full sequel from the get-go.
>>44372117
>not being a fan of fetishistic writefaggotry
>>44359300
>>44359830
She's unusually tall for a human. Tall, but not unusually so for her metatype.
>>44365143
It's character art from someone's game that they posted in /srg/.
>>44356208
/v/ is /b/ with more shitposting, less porn, and less on topic.
>>44369719
Never.
I'll take racists and fascism over hipsters and pretensions bullshittery every day of the week.
>>44372491
>I'd be surprised if HK got the Director's Cut treatment. Dragonfall was originally just another campaign for Returns after all, that was then expanded out further into a fully fledged sequel. HK was a full sequel from the get-go.
Sure. Still, I'd hope for it. The mechanical changes probably won't be as good, but the extra content was nice. Kinda enough new blood to have fun during another playthrough,
>>44372691
>/po/
>papercraft incorrect
>tfw no troll gf
>>44373271
There is the 4 hour mini campaign that's coming out soonish.
>>44374340
What I would give to scale that mountain face and be buried under an avalanche of soft yet incredibly firm and heavy snow.
If you know what I mean.
>>44374707
Considering Eiger kills at least several people every year, I think I do.
I wonder if androids will dream?
And not just of electric sheep, I mean at all. Without needing to sleep, how can they dream? Would de-fragging while charging count? That's kinda what we do...
>>44369621
Thanks,I don't think I have seen the whole picture before, Dietrich looks like crazy hobo in that though.
>>44375231
Well, he kinda is. Sure, he lives at the shop, but I wouldn't be surprised by him punking it up and sleeping in the subway.
>>44375231
>>44375342
Yeah he kinda is.
>still no dragonfall+new fluff from hk campaign
why even shadowrun?
>>44345246
>>Shadowrun Returns (Dead Man's Switch)
But it's much better story than Dragonfall.
Is there a way to replace Dragonfall's character models with HK's? for, you know, slimmer orkgrills and dwarven ladies... i am really fond of some of the portraits but those models kill it tbqh.
>>44343952
>there are people who want to fuck this orc
go away this is a HUMANIS imageboard
Is it possible to have a character with only one cybernetic eye? It seems the fluff states it wouldn't be very practical because it would disorient the user because of brain signals or some bullshit.
>>44378002
Actually, one of the old 2nd Edition books gives a better explanation, though his is with two different models of cybereye instead of just one cybereye.
>"At first my left eye changed focus faster than my right eye, which gave me splitting headaches; I got that fixed after about a month."
I imagine you'd run into similar issues with a single cybereye and a single biological eye, except it'd probably be harder to adjust.
>>44378037
So let's say your just using a cyber eye to replace an eye you lost, does that mean it's more practical just to replace both eyes? Anyone tried to run a character with only a single cyber eye successfully?
>>44378002
You can, but it's kinda pointless. Cybereyes are cheap as a pair and having just one limits some of the upgrades you can put in it.
The only reason to take a single eye is because you need a medical replacement, want to minimize your essence loss, and can't afford a biological one.
>>44365805
Third person shooters are fucking cancer.
FPS or don't bother.
>>44378186
>Max Payne exists
