I AM CAPTAIN TITUS AND I AM CANON
>>44281469
God damn, its been a long time since we've had one of theses threads.
>>44281469
Alright, Captain titus is canon for the following reasons the statements made by the staff member on the THQ website were that of someone who wasn't connected to space marine project and was simply a person doing moderation for their site.
Secondly THQ was working with Games workshop meaning that it is canon but less canon than other things.
as all things are canon just some things are more canon than others.
>>44281469
Merry Christmas Titus poster.
>>44281645
Merry Titusmas.
>>44281726
Everytime someone mentions the word titus.
>>44281511
The events of Space Marine take after Tyranids invaded the galaxy (Sidonus fought them) and but before 993.M41 (Graia was consumed by Kraken). During that time Sicarius and Agemman were the 2nd company captains.
>>44282190
Warp-fuckery.
>>44281469
Who cares about canon? Just find a new publisher for Relic to make Space Marine 2 already.
>>44281469
>I AM CAPTAIN TITUS
>I AM CANON
make up your mind
I dunno if it is or isn't. Titus is badass tho.
>>44282190
Why do people take the trim color so literally? THQ likely chose that color scheme because it's the most iconic for the Ultramarines, not to actually signify that Titus is of the 2nd Company.
>>44283240
Because all Ultramarines wear their fucking codex colors anon.
>>44281469
Man, fuck off.
>>44283240
>>44283691
The colors are those of the 2nd Company, but that's because all 3 of them are actually Alpha Legion.
Is the ranged combat system in w40k even any good
>>44281469
Titus is non-canon. Period. Relic confirmed that he was from an AU where Sicarius was not promoted to captain of the 2nd and Titus was instead. Therefore, in the main 40k universe Titus is non-canon as captain of the 2nd, however this does mean that he likely is a veteran sergeant in the 1st company. So there. Titus himself is canon, his rank in the game is not. Happy?
>>44283738
I always thought Space Marine took place a little into M42, and Titus was just the captain after Sicarius died or something since.
If DoWII happens in 999.M41, CR happens just after that, and the Aurelian Crusade goes on for another decade before Retribution happens, Space Marine wouldn't happen until some time between 0-10.M42.
(Otherwise AU, whatever. AUs are fine)
>>44281469
Well seeing the Sternguard miniatures, he and Sidonius are canon.
Now we need to wait for Sicarius to go and die due to overconfidence while trying to get more glory and finally earn enough to replace Agemman as a candidate for future Chapter Master.
>>44283989
Someone suggest this to Bruva Alfabusa.
>>44284011
Will do.
>>44283827
Lorewise, beyond 999 41K is the End Times. Ultramar in 999 41K is besieged by M'kar the Thriceborn and is about to feel the full wrath of the Sautekh Dynasty. That's just the Ultramarines, the rest of the galaxy is about to enter in a state of war unseen since the War in Heaven.
There wouldn't be an Ultramar in a decade. I doubt there would be much left of the galaxy. Therefore, the game is not canon. It does nothing to address this fluff. Indeed, it's an AU for a one off game.
Everything is canon
Nothing is canon
>>44284291
Oh man Saladin was fucking great in that movie.
>>44281469
I am newfag and what is this?
>>44284359
Space Marine. Fun game, go play it.
>>44284359
Warhammer 40k Space Marine
Really fun 40k themed third person shooter.
>>44284011
I, Cato Sicarius, think that Bruva Alfabusas Cato Sicarius is funny.
>>44284400
Is it still online playable? Singleplayer is nice and all, but you can slay a million orks only so often until it becomes a bit boring.
>>44284359
captain titus of the game SPACE MARINE
he was supposed to be captain of the 2nd company of the ultramarines according to the game, this doesn't cope well with the actual captain, cato sicarius.
discussions about canonicy ensues, mostly by trolls though, the fluff of 40k is a mess, even more so when considering all contributions by companies working with GW's IP.
>>44284435
from what I got the online is dead.
but the alpha of eternal crusade offers pretty much the same thing, if you're willing to spend more, that is.
>>44281469
Yes you are brother!
>>44284478
Eternal Crusade is looking kinda bad atm though.
>>44284478
Yeah, pretty excited about that. But I need a better computer first, mine's hardly good enough for DoW w/ Ultimate Apocalypse.
>>44283240
>Why do people take the trim color so literally?
The same reason people keep hammering on and on how he's canon.
>THQ likely chose that color scheme because it's the most iconic for the Ultramarines
Think you mean Relic. And seeing that they've already had, for example, captain Ardias in Fire Warrior in proper 3rd company trim, they know the difference between the company colours.
Don't remember what colour trim Winter Assault Ultras had. I'm pretty sure some of the promotional material for the first DoW had 3rd company Ultras in them, before Blood Ravens became the chapter.
>>44284499
It plays kinda okay. But really I'd say hold off and just play the SM multiplayer. It gets busy during weekends.
So with Black Libary announcing a new Horus Heresy story on Christmas Day what do you think it's going to be an actual novel, a novella or an anthology?
>>44284580
Its a novel called Pharos, its not a secret.
>>44284456
According to GW's policy "Only GW, BL, and FW" are empowered to create IP/canon. So that's that.
Games are not canon.
>>44284607
it was a game sanctioned by Games Workshop tho.
>>44284499
I know, but I'm keeping an eye to it anyway, waiting for the actual release and eventually the first indications for expansion.
the possibilities it offers should it lift off are huge.
I agree that it is a big "if", especially for a game that already had dropped promises and game features sold so early before release.
>>44284644
FFG RPGs are sanctioned by GW too. They are equally not canon according to the policy.
If it's not a product developed by GW, BL, or FW, then it's non-canon.
>Titus is arrested for Heresy
>Ultramarines simply remove all records of his existence in the Company
>Replace records with Sicarius's name
It's this simple
>>44284677
All i'm seeing here is "Titus is too good to be made by GW and therefore isn't canon".
>>44284478
Is the Alpha open?
>>44284711
Take from it whatever you want. The point is the games are not canon by GW's policy.
>caring about space marine 2 when deathwing is being made
>>44284644
obviously in this case, this Tzeenchian legal paradox has created some extreme warpfuckery, where the 2nd company now has 2 captains at the same time
it's possible that this is the entire reason the UltraSmurfs ARE so good - because they have 2 Captains to do stuff, so one can go bravely retreive Primarchs from the warp while the other can bravely hold the line against a ork warboss and spout lines like
>BUT I AM FINISHED WITH YOU
before going on a titan joyride to kill heretics
both of them succeed with HONOUR AND GLORY fo forfilling their impossible tasks, and their Primarch Gulliman gives them a thumbs up like he's the commander from Elite Beat Agents
>>44284752
>Corridor shooter
>>44284677
>If it's not a product developed by GW, BL, or FW
Or, to be more accurate, GW. Since BL and FW are part of the same company, just have their own staff and studios.
I'm amazed how people can leap from "they're licensed the IP" to "it's canon". Does this mean every product ever to use something's IP is totes canon? Does this mean, for example, that the Arkham Knight games are canon Batman stories? Along with the Dark Knight movies? But they have totally different backstories, characters, etc. How do they fit into the same universe?
>>44284733
for founders, yeah, or better, for some founders: there was something about founders joining sooner relatively to the size of the package bought.
I don't know if at this time of the alpha all founders can jump in or not.
>>44284711
>All i'm seeing here is "your waifu is shit and therefore isn't canon".
FTFY
>>44284806
>Does this mean, for example, that the Arkham Knight games are canon Batman stories? Along with the Dark Knight movies? But they have totally different backstories, characters, etc. How do they fit into the same universe?
Much like comic books 40k's "canon" has always been an amorphous mass of contradictions and different authors doing their own take on the universe.
>>44282190
Must be a different Graia, it happens.
It's set in M42 anyway, due to occurring after DoW2 Retribution.
During the 40k timeline, Titus and Sidonus were in the Ultramarine's first company.
>>44284792
>space marine
>>44283240
It's not the trim color - he's got a II right there on his armor, or at least Leonidas does.
>>44284806
They're canon, but different multiverses. Or the video games and movies may be two of the seven undetailed universes within the DC multiverse.
>>44284837
>During the 40k timeline, Titus and Sidonus were in the Ultramarine's first company.
So, because two models vaguely look like the models from the game (aka. brown haired white dude and grey beardy white dude, the most unique character designs in media), they're totes canon?
>>44284837
Could be an alternate timeline? Maybe Sicarus was chosen to defend Macragge's polar ice cap instead of Sol Invictus and died there.
>>44284933
Brown haired dude has the same scar and stud as Titus.
>>44284935
>Could be an alternate timeline?
Not necessary, the graia that was consumed by Tyranids could've been terraformed and rebuilt by M42 which is when Space Marine takes place and by that time the second company could've the need for another captain either because Sicarus is dead or the chapter master of the UM. Theres also the possibility that Titus and company are from the future and have arrived in what is their past because of warp shenanighans, meaning that in that point in time there are two 2nd company captains in the galaxy.
>>44284752
Deathwing Hype
>>44284981
Titus has two studs, model 1.
And the bearded dude doesn't have half his face burned off, is completely bald and the studs are different.
>>44281469
You will never be able to tell anyone else what is and isnt canon.
You can and should enjoy watching retards sperg out over the subject though.
For me personally, I only have a few rules when it comes to 40k canon:
Nothing that originated in a video game is canon.
Grey Knights fluff is dialed way back, and they are much smaller, specialized, and rare than they are currently portrayed.
The Decimation(s) never happened, Perturabo is more stable than that.
All of the Primarchs' personalities are toned down a bit.
Tau dont exist.
Thats about it. Other than that Im ok with everything.
>>44284990
>Theres also the possibility that Titus and company are from the future
Along with the Blood Ravens, fresh from their M42 crusade? Funny how nobody, even the Inquisitor, isn't surprised to see someone other than Sicarius leading the 2nd Ultramarines.
>>44285060
>Nothing that originated in a video game is canon.
A lot of the vidya characters are explicitly mentioned in a ton of books/codices
>>44285060
Mine is "Everything is canon, there is always a way to make all possibilities have a kernel of truth or be a part of the larger truth".
>>44284933
>totes
Wow, I don't even know you, and I already hate you.
>>44285097
People who are wrong usually do.
>>44281469
Isn't it said somewhere that all contradictory stuff is just alternate realms or really connected by the warp?
Like an infinite number of parallel dimension sharing the same warp. Some are a bit different from another
>>44284935
Possible, but not required.
Space Marine takes place after Dawn of War 2: Retribution, as seen with the Blood Raven's battle cry.
Retribution took place 10 years after Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising.
Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising took place one year after Dawn of War 2.
Dawn of War 2 took place in 997.M41, at the earliest. This is because the Hive Fleet you face there is from Leviathan, which first appeared in that year.
So, Space Marine takes place in at least 008.M42.
By that time, Calgar may have died or been interred within a Dreadnought.
Sicarius may have been promoted to 1st Captain, or hell, even Chapter Master.
>>44285057
True, I don't think the models are actually them, just similar enough to count.
I mean, Sicarius looks different from one model to the next, why should they look identical?
does someone have the comparison pics
>>44285358
This one?
>>44285376
Thanks
>>44285376
just entering this thread but i'll say they look very much the same but can't tell if it's truly intentional.
>>44284710
This
It explains everything. They would never associate any type of heresy anywhere within their super special Smurf chapter
>>44285309
>just similar enough to count.
Count by whom?
>Sicarius looks different from one model to the next
First of all, not all of those are Sicarius. Some are just generic captains that happen to have 2nd company trim. Second, plenty of models look different from the previous version when they're updated.
>>44285376
what are those things they have on their foreheads?
>>44282190
Forge World Graia gets destroyed every century or two and they colonise a new planet and name that Graia. Graia as of M41:999 is actually the thirteenth Graia.
>>44284710
>>44285502
So Sicarius was demoted back to 2nd company captain? Because the Blood Ravens that arrive to assist talk about a crusade that happened in M42.
>>44285525
Service studs
One stud = 100 years of service
>>44285525
Service marks.
>>44285546
>thirteenth Graia
[citation needed]
>>44283240
I actually like this explaination. >>44283725
>>44285573
>let ebin citation meme
It's a goddamn joke you idiot
>>44285492
I think it's definitely intentional, but that doesn't necessarily canonise them.
>>44285611
true
>>44285603
How was I suppose to know, seeing that the Admech codex says there have been more than one Graia. I assumed this has been expanded somewhere and you had actual source for the claim.
>>44285525
Service studs. It's not quite clear what they mean, because they can be different shapes and colors, but generally it's a sign of long service.
>>44285551
No they just retroactivly gave Cato all of Titus' achievements and glory, minus anything heresy
>>44285573
My mistake, it's unknown what generation Graia the current one is, I had thought thirteen because of the XIII in its FW symbol. Still, the rest is confirmed by codex skitarii. I'd like to point out that after Space Marine came out, graia then started being referenced in FW product names and in Codices. They clearly want this to be canon.
>>44285716
>then started
Graia has been in FW books for years prior to SM. The Hellhound they made was always a "Graia pattern", similar to how they had Ryza and Mars pattern things. Original Imperial Armour vol. 1 even lists forge worlds, Graia being one of them. And it's situated in Segmentum Tempestus, while the one destroyed by Kraken is in Segmentum Ultima.
>>44285645
yeah because you can simply build a new forge world in 100 years
>>44285514
True, some of those aren't explicitly Sicarius. In fact, the bottom left was used for his predecessor.
The ones who are do look somewhat different. Is he bald (top right, master of the watch), just a tuft (dual lightning claws from Medusa V), or with a full head of hair (his actual model)
>>44285090
For example?
>>44285093
This for me too
>>44285830
Graia has most of the important stuff in orbit. When the planet's surface is invaded, they gather all the stuff in orbit up and float away to a new planet.
>>44285842
>In fact, the bottom left was used for his predecessor.
I thought the Black Reach captain was suppose to be Sicarius. His predecessor, Agemman, used pic related as his model in older GW publications. His new, plastic model can be found here (scroll down):
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/What's-New-Today-from-the-White-Dwarf-Team/2014/05/21/The-Imperium-s-elite-unbound;jsessionid=2396A17C07CF433F6AB5C5D6EE052CDB?_requestid=7868520
>>44285974
You're completely correct. I was getting that set mixed up with Battle for Maccrage.
So with that in mind, only two minis there aren't expressly Sicarius. And one of them, the 2e Ultramarine captain, he looks pretty strongly based on.
>>44286082
Three. Storm bolter and chainsword, axe and shield and bolter and power fist. And the 2e might have been the inspiration for the modern Sicarius, but it wasn't Sicarius back then and there were many versions of him before the current.
>>44285974
Agemman doesn't get much love, which is sad, because he looks pretty cool.
>>44286153
The axe and shield guy is the Ultramarine Master of the Watch. The Ultramarine Master of the Watch is Sicarius.
>>44286222
Anon, with that logic they're all Sicarius, because they're all 2nd company captains.
The whole point of the image was, when I compiled it, that there's a whole bunch of 2nd company dudes even in GW publications. The Master of the Watch model was never called Sicarius as far as I'm aware.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Changeling
How do you know you weren't all being rused by the Changeling
>>44284346
Yeah, too bad he bears no resemblance to the actual Saladin. But then again, the others aren't any better.
>>44282190
Might have to do with that they planed in the next games for him to leave the ultras and found his own chapter.
>>44286342
The Changeling's never really been shown to do much direct killing in the lore. He seems better at sowing panic and confusion, acting as a trickster.
I'd sooner believe Titus was a Callidus assassin.
>>44286544
>Titus is reverse trap
>>44284710
That's the same explanation I assume the Grey Knights use when they claim none of them have ever fallen to Chaos.
That Grey Knight fall to Chaos? Well, he wasn't a Grey Knight then. Purge him from all records.
>>44286680
It makes you wonder if polymorphine could allow someone to fake having a black carapace...or is she just in a little mechanical suit inside of the armor, and if you were to open it up you'd get a muscular hottie?
Still, Assassin could go off with the Inquisitor and get picked up later, or she could sneak off and take the Lieutenant's place.
>>44284489
That doesn't seem like a legal squad. Two special weapons and a heavy weapon?
>>44288883
They're Sternguard moron.
>>44289006
Two veterans. This is three.
>>44289263
What are you on about? Two combi weapons and one heavy is fine in sternguard.
>>44288173
Shame it didn't look like that in the game.
>>44289263
Are you mentally retarded or something? Sternguard can have any number of combi-weapons they like.
>>44285645
>>44285830
>>44288173
Y'know, I always wondered why we never saw any tech-priests on Graia but now I figure they just fucked off to the Low Orbital Latticework and left because "fuck this, we're not getting Ryza'd".Also I'm temped to paint my Skit-Mech as Graian because running them with my UM would make a fair amount of sense fluff-wise.
>>44290041
That'd make a great deal of sense. They'd actually all left for Graia XIV, but forgot a titan, so sent the marines in to pick it up.
>>44290041
>>44290241
I thought it was just "can't be bothered to model whole new dudes for background shit" and then play it off with someone going "man, where are all the techpriests?"
I'd say they were securing the vaults with all the expensive shit before the orks could get them. Would have been fun to see a robed figure impaled in some Ork barricade or pieces of combat servitors. Just making a model is still easier than animating them. Or make reskins of the Cadians with some techy bits as skitarii that you see in some scenes.
>>44290241
>They'd actually all left for Graia XIV, but forgot a titan, so sent the marines in to pick it up.
Perfect.
>Captain Titus, we've received an astropathic message from Graia XIII broadcasting on all bands.
>"Honored members of the Imperium, Magos Arachnar of the Adeptus Mechanicus requests aid of all nearby forces to stave off an Ork incursion."
>I thought they already retreated from low orbit?
>Keep listening
>"Although we have left orbital dock of Graia XIII and are currently in transit to the newly christened 'Graia XIV', it has come to my attention that we, the Holy Servants of the Mechanicus, may have...'misplaced' something in our due haste to evacuate the planet."
>Oh for fuck's sake!
>They aren't even going to tell us what "activation rune scroll they left locked in the transport" this time are they?
>>44290431
I seem to recall hearing that they wanted techpriests in, but THQ being in process of dying needed games rushed out a whole lot faster.
So realisticly, we'll never see Space Marine 2, will we?
>>44281469
that's a good Fuckin HELMET
>>44293803
Oh goodness, no. THQ is dead.
Titus is mentioned once in the Veil of Darkness audiodrama.
I mean, it's by Kyme, so it's awful. But it's BL. And it's about Sicarius.
There's apparently a statue of Titus in Calgar's throne room. Can post the exact quote on my lunch break.
>>44295087
SM Titus specifically or just someone named Titus?
>>44294092
But THQ was only the publisher. Relic was the developer. And Relic is owned by Sega now.
So while Space Marine 2 is extremely unlikely, it isn't completely impossible.
>>44295173
A statue of a guy called Titus in Marneus Calgar's throne room. Seems like he was an ultramarine.
>>44281490
That's what you said last time faggot.
>>44286544
Actually, he snaps the necks of humans he disguises as. Also he nearly erased Ahriman from existence with a touch but Tzeentch stopped him.
>>44295173
Okay, exact passage time.
>The Lord of Macragge was seated upon a throne like a Battle King of old, replete in his war panoply. My heart both swelled with pride and trembled with awe at the sight of Marneus Calgar.
>He wore his formal battle-plate, a ceremonial suit festooned with laurels and awards. A pair of hefty power gloves clothed his hands, which he rested regally on the throne arms. His hair was white as hoarfrost, and he glowered through one organic eye at the officers in his midst. The other was a bionic, and even less welcoming.
>"Brother Captain! Come forward!"
>Here, in the hall of Ultramar, the great and noble were personified in statue form, and shadowed me as I walked the long processional to a place before my lord.
>I saw Invictus, Helveticus, Galatan, and Titus, all measuring my worth with the weight of their marble stares. I would not be found wanting."
This whole scene is from the perspective of Cato Sicarius. Seems like a dead ringer for our favorite former captain of the second.
>>44296130
Titus can't precede Sicarius, since Agemman preceded him, who was 2nd company captain up until the 1st Tyrannic War (where he was promoted to 1st company captain), and Sidonus had fought Tyranids.
>>44296445
Yes sir. It must be some other Ultramarine captain Titus who is worth mentioning from the Second Company Captain's point of view.
I don't take my Ultramarine fluff nearly seriously enough to argue the point. It made me smile, confirmed that Titus exists, and that's really enough for me. He's canon now, in a very tangential way. *shrug*
Unrelated note, the audiobook makes me hate Sicarius. He's an arrogant twat who handicaps himself for honor's sake and loses the duel that costs them Damnos. An entire fucking planet.
>>44290041
>>44290431
>>44290903
Yeah it was a rushjob and led to this line being added https://youtu.be/hRoYwfshLqE?t=51
Grimskull is the best warboss in all 40k vidya history as well. Prove me wrong.
>there will never be a Space Marine 2 where the story they planned plays out
>you will never play Captain Titus running from the Inquisition and meeting all different types of characters and xenos along the journey
Life is cruel.
>>44296735
You misspelled Bluddflag. If only for the teleportarium cutscene. Most Orky thing that has ever been.
>>44289598
Because it's not the same Graia.
>>44285060
>Nothing that originated in a video game is canon.
Why would you want to get rid of Dark Crusade Eliphas? He's the best Chaos Lord ever.
>>44285514
>>44285842
The basic plastic captain was called sicarius in a battle report a few years ago. Then they made the metal model with lighting claws and then Black Reach and then the other metal model.
There have been a few iterations of 'Sicarius' either way.
>>44297808
Also Generals Castor and Vance Stubbs, the coolest guardsmen ever
>>44282190
>>44282213
Warp-Fuckery..
You know that time could be change by the warp, so that small particle of the warp could be the reason why marines from events in the timestream and the planets destruction are jumble up.
>>44296836
Bluddflag didn't tackle a motherfucking Chaos Lord into an abyss.
>>44298293
Does the same warp-fuckery also make Blood Ravens from the future appear and inquisitor forget an Ultramarines, notably the most famous SM chapter, captain of such note that he's possibly going to surpass Agemman as Galgar's successor?
Or are you saying that Graia is the one out of time, at which point the Inquisition should be more interested in this forge world that didn't exist before, rather than one marine.
>>44300819
that whould have been a good plot pointwe still got nothing on why titus is singly resistan to warp related bollocks
>>44300921
Well, there are saints and people that are just so damn pure(tm) that they can't be corrupted.
