>it's a redemption story
Elves need to be made useful somehow.
>>44279700
>I'm currently building a redemption character
Sorry, anon. How can I redeem myself to you?
>it's a /v/ thread
>it's a one-line greentext OP with an animu pic
>>44279700
[system]: The Musical
>>44279700
Why is that a bad thing?
>>44279700
There aren't many of those these days. Everybody tends to be about shades of grey so you rarely see a character that's supposed to be evil enough to have a redemption.
>>44279700
>it's a dedemption story
>It's a thread
current problem:
>He's a black sheep in society by being a good Drow but everyone should accept him for it!
>>44280988
How many sword does he weild?
>>44281037
Please tell me that artist draws porn of the she-elf.
That face has me diamonds.
>>44281076
>>44281037
Who is this jizz jezebel?
>>44281037
2 shortswords
Redemption is trash in most stories because of its nature in real life and historical literature as an exploration of an individual's struggles with their personal code and adherent obligations or atonement for failures in the pursuit of their code and obligations. A sadistic serial killer suddenly becoming Gandhi is just a bastardisation of redemption, particularly if it doesn't explore his evolution and the agonies that give meaning and sincerity to any genuine redemption or atonement. This isn't attainable in most stories, especially so in fantasy or sci-fi, for the simple reason that the story must be framed so personally and emotionally around the protagonist that it can't do anything on the grander scales and explorations common to sci-fi/fantasy. What kind of DM (or any commercial writer) is possibly willing to dedicate an entire campaign or novel to the dramas and angsts against the struggles of their quests for such characters as Ulysses or Quixano, and how can they possibly frame it in such a way (not that this should ever be a focus for any sane DM) so as to not appear derivative or trite if it's not focused on an individual in a modern setting? It's better to just ignore redemption entirely if you're trying to engage players beyond simply having fun in a game.
>>44281485
>>44281201
Deja vu
>>44279700
>Your DM develops the villain enough that they're worth helping with redemption
>it's
>>44281631
>The BBEG feels bad enough about his past action that he joins the PCs.
>Next PC who dies plays the ExBBEG as their next character
>>44281631
>The BBeG realizes they'll never be able to accomplish what they want to do, even if they can destroy the world
>They vanish and are not heard from for months
>The PC's go to the BBEG's lair
>It's empty, all the minions have fucked off, all the loot has been looted
>find the BBEG months later in a market, 2 copper short of purchasing his next meal
>>44279700
>It's a story subverting the damsel in distress trope
>>44281076
>>44281104
No porn, but she's on DeviantArt... somewhere. With more pictures of her.
>>44282761
reverse search give me nothing, please help.
>>44283187
>>44282761
I think it's Lunareth
http://lunareth.deviantart.com/gallery/
>>44283214
thanks anon
>>44281876
Motherfucker, now I have it in my head.
>It's a story that subvert X trope
>The entire story is built on subverting
>Nothing is played straight
Fuck you Timmy, I don't want to have the BBEG be actually a good guy despite all the definitely evil shit he did for the 10th time.
Redemption doesn't make any sense to me outside of religious contexts. Like, I did something, and then I do something else, and I've "made up" for the first somehow? How does that work? It's not like anything I've done has changed just because I've done something else too.
>>44283214
I remember her shit, it's Special Snowflake to the max.
>>44282715
>The damsel wasn't stolen by the dragon.
>She's a fuckstrong paladin who decided to take the dragon hostage and frame it as kidnapping her just for shits and giggles.
>At the last minute, the campaign changes from saving somebody from a dragon to saving a dragon from somebody.
>>44284969
>Finally reach dragon's lair
>Come in, everybody ready to rumble
>Dragon is one in cage
>Paladin on top of cage, sword in hilt, striking a pose
>"Another group here to 'Save the damsel'? Care to join the others?"
>She points to a corner of the cave that has a bunch of dead adventurers
>You still take the fight
>You came to rescue somebody, not sight see
>Even if that somebody isn't who you thought it was
>You might be a knight
>But even if the damsel is the dragon
>You are still going to rescue them
>>44285555
Quads confirm.
Knights save all damsels, even if they aren't human.
>>44281201
I think Kant has the high ground here
>>44285555
I like how "paladin" equals "mustache twirling Nazi villain" in /tg/'s semen-addled, subversion-addicted brain.
Dragons are a shit fetish and a shittier meme, too
>>44285684
You can thank TV "dude subversion lmao' Tropes
>>44279704
I don't know why, but the "YEAH" tic is what really makes this, to me.
>>44279761
>stella artwaagh
>>44285555
>>44285684
You can't know that the dragon in the cage is not an illusion cast on the princess and the dragon is the paladin.
>>44285722
Making people who have never read, played, watched, or written anything feel clever.
