>Portal to a fantasy world opens up Gate style.
>The fantasy world can actually fight back.
Explain why.
>>44225866
Magic.
Duh. Fuckin' retard.
High fantasy setting, where magic is stronger than technology, for example enchanted armour that can deflects bullets, if not rockets and tank shells, dragon riding knights, demon summoning warlocks and golem building wizards
>>44225866
Fantasy world has a technology on its own, along with magic.
>>44225898
Or just demons/undead.
Whenever one of your solders dies, it pops back out of the summoning portal that made it, and heads back into the fray.
>>44225866
Because it depends on the fantasy world.
Just look at the D&D editions for example,only listing the ones where I've seen modern tech has been ported/statted in the system.
OD&D: You have mages, and modern tech is on par with magic most times. Also fighters who can just slaughter every person they see once they have a few levels, and would need anti-tank weapons to put down swiftly. Magical creature wreak total havoc.
AD&D: Same thing as above, though now the magic is getting far far better than the technology, quite a few creatures are straight up immune to anything a modern army can use against them, and god forbid you're using the Forgotten Realms as your example setting, in which case you have a whole army of people whose cloaks protect them from all non-magical ranged projectiles, and reduce explosion damage to the minimum possible effect.
D&D3e: Magic is now truly out of control, and even a mid-level melee guy can break open a tank by swinging a sword at it a couple of times. A missile mildly inconveniences any character of decent level, and is just a shittier fireball to most creatures.
D&D4e: Magic is less out of control, but the more powerful creatures are that much more powerful to the point of not being able to be touched by anyone who isn't near their level. Depending on how levels translate to our world that could change everything though.
Then you have other games, like Shadowrun, where magic is incredibly potent, as are things like Dragons, and our world doesn't quite have the same technological advantage that Shadowrun's world has to keep all of the tech on par if not better than magic.
So yes, magic and the fact that in most systems modern tech is fucking shit.
Though people will argue that sniper rifles and tanks should be like 600d12 damage because "always fatal!", despite the fact that these game systems don't work that way.
The power of Japanese harem romances.
>>44225866
>Gate style
Then it depends on which of the sides represents Jap ultra-nationalism. That side wins.
>>44225866
I made a fetch between a isis fighter and a pathfinder wizard level 1 male human
Using phoenix command rules, (some pathfinder stuff) and mythic solo rpg and isis won.
The idea would be to do a 500 vs 500 battle, but decided to look for other non d&d system to use their wizards, and actually never ended doing the 500 vs 500 thing
>>44225866
The power of Nipponese-never-did-Nanking and Ultra-Nationalism.
![vietcong_veterans[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nhFUsM1.jpg "vietcong_veterans[1].jpg")
>>44225866
Without even mentionning magic or other supernatural beings and gods, it's not like the other modern countries wouldn't arm the fantasy world for money or just pissing off the invading country.
I kinda want to run a game where the party is special forces sent to recon the fantasy world and prevent other countries for colonizing it, now.
Like Stargate, but with human greed and corruption instead of Goa'uld.
>>44226128
>>44226035
>So much as mention Gate and you get butthurt burgers.
Why am I surprised? Their critical thinking skills are at a all time low.
The various nations of the Fantasy World, having heeded the prophecy that the Gate would one day open, have spent centuries fortifying and guarding the structure and the area immediately around it.
>>44225866
I read a pretty hilarious HFY story about 5 years ago, where a gate to Hell opens up in the Middle East and Satan's army rolls forth to reap the souls of mortal men.
Except that's when the United States military arrives and after a series of hilariously outmatched battles, the demons retreat to Hell. The US and now combined militaries of the world invade Hell itself while researching the portal technology.
The story ends with an intrepid team of human soldiers opening a portal directly into Satan's Throneroom and then firing a hydrogen bomb directly into his face.
>>44225866
A combination of fantastical beasts and magic, none of which follow the rules that we normally associate with them.
Like, how long do you think it is going to take the US military to figure out that, because of funky magical laws, the hide of a Dragon can only be pierced by obsidian (Dragons are the manifestion of fire and darkness, so only something on the same elemental wavelength as them can harm them)? That means that no amount of bullets or missiles, no matter the firepower or payload, can harm them because we are fundamentally fighting the wrong fucking war.
Ghosts and spirits would also fuck our shit right up. Think dementors from Harry Potter, which nonmagical folk can't see but are still vulnerable to. It is only going to take one or two hateful ghosts to kill and entire army unless they have some way to fight back, and without some kind of protection nothing can stop them from just sending a Ghost to go around and kill of our leaders one by one. What are you going to use to stop them, a Cross? Lots of people on our side of the Gate don't even belief that our gods even exist, and you expect those symbols to go toe to toe with the powers of a world where their Gods actually do shit? pretty slim odds.
Invisibility, teleportation, mind control. All of these fuck with our normal tactics by bypassing our armies entirely, and thats before you get into nasty shit like magical plagues or turning our troops into monsters or something.
The only true advantage we have is plans and tanks, but Tanks are going to be vulnerable to battlefield magic. Planes are our best weapon, but if they ever come up with a way to either defend themselves from attacks from above, or kill pilots out of the sky using magic, we are in for some rough shit.
Even standard druidic magic of weather control will make our air superiority too risky to actually use. Don't send planes against an enemy that can just decide that for the next 20 minutes its hurricane season.
>>44225866
setting is more similar to asia. inhabitants are masters of guerrilla warfare and traps
>>44225866
>Portals to fantasy world open up
>Fantasy orcs keep pouring in in droves
>waves upon waves of green flesh begin pillaging the countryside and rounding up slaves for torture and unholy rituals
>arrows made of unknown metals and coated with lethal poison begin to rain from forests and hills
>skeletons and of deceased begin to rise and pour from numerous gravesites
>With great effort militaries of the world rally and unite in effort to slow down the tide
>When it looks like the modern world could actually stand a chance, wizards begin to enter through portals, surrounded by honor guard of elite orcs and arcane machinery
>ghosts pass through thickest of armour and leave its crew lifeless
>magical bolts and explosive magical alloys fired from ballistae and grotesque magitech constructs penetrate strongest armour and slay infantry at speed of thought
>are you bad enough dude to fight back with powers of technology and your own awakening mystical powers before the dark gods completely take your world?
>will you manage to find allies on the other side of the portal and convince the alien and savage fantasy nations to betray their horrific masters and fight for your freedom and theirs?
>>44226209
"Plans and tanks" are about right. People aren't stupid and will realise when shooting dragons is not working, they're going to go grab some locals and ask them what the fuck is going on.
If government leaders start dying off they're going to go hiring magicians and so on to defend themselves.
Of course, this also goes in the reverse - but it's a lot easier to hire magicians and get information than it is to duplicate a whole industrial base in a new world.
The Fantasy world has katanas, folded a bajirrion times, cut through anything.
![EN-GuerredesMondes02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kSWw8fw.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes02[1].jpg")
>>44226209
In most settings, high-level magic isn't that widespread, though. Otherwise there would only be theocracies and no normal fighters or army.
>>44226146
I'm not american, but you have to admit that gate have a stong Japan Fuck Yeah theme.
No international intervention, JSDF is given free reign to deal with the problem without intervention from foreign affairs, plus some technological wanking, etc...
On a sidenote, short comic about discovery of a planar portal :
http://english.bouletcorp.com/2009/04/24/war-of-the-worlds/
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>>44226146
>Only American dislike Jap ultranationalism
Back to /a/, weeb.
![EN-GuerredesMondes03[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CU9aWYk.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes03[1].jpg")
>>44226406
(2/7)
>>44225866
>>implying we wouldnt drop every nuke in mankind into their world and the gate.
Gg thred
>>44226209
>plans and tanks, but Tanks are going to be vulnerable to battlefield magic. Planes are our best weapon, but if they ever come up with a way to either defend themselves from attacks from above, or kill pilots out of the sky using magic, we are in for some rough shit.
>forgetting about artillery
>forgetting about the ability to kill literally everything within 50 meters of impact, at minimum injure everything within 100 meters of impact, all for ess than 200 dollars per shot, from 12 kilometers away
Can't fight dem 155s, man.
![EN-GuerredesMondes04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3GUA1nu.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes04[1].jpg")
>>44226421
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>>44226433
Why would we want to do that? I can't think of a single reason.
![EN-GuerredesMondes05[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aNbu5BQ.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes05[1].jpg")
>>44226437
(4/7)
![EN-GuerredesMondes06[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PHSOKz7.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes06[1].jpg")
>>44226451
(5/7)
>>44225992
But what happens when OPERATORS enter those settings? Over 300 confirmed kills gotta give some xp.
![EN-GuerredesMondes07[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VIXiV0K.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes07[1].jpg")
>>44226467
(6/7)
>>44226443
Because if something is different from us, we must kill it with extreme prejudice and salt the land, so it won't ever try to rise again.
![EN-GuerredesMondes08[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fKKKwNF.jpg "EN-GuerredesMondes08[1].jpg")
>>44226486
And that's all folks
>>44226487
Don't forget enslave their women and children.
>>44226339
>waves upon waves of green flesh begin pillaging the countryside and rounding up slaves for torture and unholy rituals
>arrows made of unknown metals and coated with lethal poison begin to rain from forests and hills
>skeletons and of deceased begin to rise and pour from numerous gravesites
>the military might of a few countries contain this rather handily with machineguns and area bombardment, close air support gunships that drop the monsters before they even get through the portals
>When it looks like the modern world could actually stand a chance, wizards begin to enter through portals, surrounded by honor guard of elite orcs and arcane machinery
>tactical nukes start getting lobbed at them, and through the portals
>ghosts rampage through freely, and need to be stopped
Are you a bad enough dude to don your NBC suit and go in on a fact finding mission to see what you can use to kill ghosts?
>>44225898
Read this as "demons summoning warlocks and golems building wizards"
>>44226508
No.
Kill everyone so no one would even think of endangering us ever again.and if they weren't going to in the first place, that's fine too, we'll just call it "precaution measures".
>>44226502
Gay.
>>44225866
>>44226339
BRING IT
Alright, /tg/.
Hard mode.
>The civilization to the other side of the gate is not stuck in medieval stasis
>>44225866
1. Magic
2. Monsters
3. Numbers
Sword Coast Legends has character casting blasting cantrips every 2 seconds. The hell with memorizing spells, and only casting a few a day.
Some of the monsters are huge, and resistant to anything but metals not found on your world or magic not found on your world.
Some of the monsters are tiny, and have hordes of tens of thousands. You are going to need more bullets.
>>44226646
It's just going to end up as Shadowrun, omae.
>>44226522
Anon.
I'm pretty sure a civilization that is used to dealing with giant fire-breathing monsters, creatures from beyond that ignore laws of physics and whatever high-level spells the setting has can deal with the stuff you mentioned.
>>44226522
>what you can use to kill ghosts
In game they have very high defense values but seem to be susceptible to dedicated flamethrower units, artillery and laser cannons.
A 2 foot thick adamantium door. Everything coming through the gate suffers the shunt damage and dies.
>>44226486
>a nuke doing anything to sauron.
Trickster spirit/malicious ghost/fey asshole finds out what "nuclear arsenals" are and proceeds to set about launching every last nuke on the planet for fun.
>>44226522
>>44226339
>muh ghosts
Who you gonna call?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc
>>44226693
Won't know until we try.
Still, how bad will disembodied Sauron be without his minions? Pretty sure orcs aren't immune to nukes.
>>44226673
Shadowrun, but with awkward situation where both sides have MAD capability and have to almost entirely rewrite laws to deal with one another.
Becomes even more fun when everyone realizes that magic is seeping into our world.
>>44226693
Barad-Dûr wouldn't fall by the nuke, but probably would cripple the dark lords forces for some time.
Enought to Sauron to try to corrupt the modern world powers in some way. If the Elfs are not asses to the outer worlders they'll probably ask for aid to stop the tide while the ringbearer does his work.
But if the modern world learns about the one ring of power... Uruk rangers armed with m21s or Dragunovs, Raiders armed with all sort of carbines and hunting rifles, lines of orcs armed with sturdy assault rifles with bayonets...
That would be pretty cool but a tad overkill
>>44226744
You mean normal humans can now use magic as well?
>>44226646
You could have a situation like in Torg where the invader's world overwrites yours.
Portal opened.
>>44226744
Wait, i got this. A premise for campaign.
>A portal opens somewhere in UN territory
>Orcs, undead and necromancers pour from it
>Looks like standard "medieval-level kingdom versus advanced humans" shit
>UN manages to contain the situation and push back
>They capture the enemy's capital
>That's when attack helicopters bearing unfamilliar insignia appear
>"Who are you and what kingdom do you serve?"
>Turns out the other setting has nearly similliar technological advancement level
>The orc-necromancer kingdom was just a third-world banana country with delusions of grandeur everyone forgot about
>But army's actions just stirred some major shit, as no-one is sure WHERE did they come from and what country there could be doing that (remeber, they do not know about the gate yet)
>Back to the other side of the gate, everyone is panicking because magic starts seeping into our world
>The team is caught up in perfect storm of internal and external diplomacy, where several major players in both settings try to use them for their own ends and bboth sides of the gate are now experiencing the reopening of old wounds and reawakening of old grudges
>To say nothing f the fact that magical phenomena starts manifesting in our world
>>44226646
>The civilization to the other side of the gate is not stuck in medieval stasis
The civilization at the other side is Anima. Which is in a 1600-1700 anachronistic stasis in general (some places are much more barbaric than that)
You even get to select how wrekt you get.
>Very
Normal Gaia, it ends in real world sending nukes, if people in gaia stop trying to gut each other, they send BAMF(s) or get someone to cast light/shadow genocide.
>Extremely
Lunariis or Kaalis, on the basis of c'iel or gaira fucking around, plus every fucking elf is a caster.
>You get to kill gods
Gaia, imperium can fuck around with the real world.
>>44227049
>Anima
Screwed level: We'll need Gordon Freeman for that.
>>44227080
>Gordon Freeman
Thin doomguy.
>>44225877
This was already /thread.
>>44225866
Because the portal is in Japan instead of a competent country.
>>44226502
Boulet is the greatest.
Les petits traits are the best. It's too bad for you guys the English versions lag so far behind the French ones.
>>44226502
>humans figure out antimagic protections in less than 2 years from first contact
Okay
>>44225866
Exalted
>>44227228
Might just be iron or lead, man. It happens, in fiction. And myth.
>>44226693
What did Call of Cthulhu used to say about nuking Cthulhu? "Reforms after 1d4 hours, only this time he's radioactive?"
>>44226942
Since the mighty cthulhu got crushed by a fishing boat in the original story, I don't worry too much about it. It's not gonna do anything against a guided bomb.
The ones that invade your dreams or are incorporal and eat your brain from the inside, however...
>>44227228
>No collaboratist mages
very unlikely
>>44226880
>Torg
We agreed to never mention that name again, anon.
>>44227356
In the time before he was rammed he drove sensitives all over the world bonkers, just for the Old One equivalent of rolling over in his sleep.
The damaged caused by Cthulhu is far less direct Godzilla-like and more collateral psychic.
>>44227356
A fishing boat drove through Cthulhu. He instantly reformed. A bomb won't have any lasting effect on him, he's kinda like a giant slime.
>>44225866
Because fantasy or magic don't preclude magic.
>>44226193
Was it by any chance the Salvation War? Because if so, then please suck a million dicks until you choke on them and die.
You won't be missed.
>>44226193
Read it as well.
Honestly? Really boring.
>>44226193
I have the book right here. and it was not a nuke it was a ship to ship missile. in the following book they nuke heaven though.
Make it to be:
1. NOT a nationalism wank.
2. Do the research properly.
3. Make magic actually useful against mortals.
4. Have multiple nations on the vast world with differences and alliances.
doing all of this properly would have made GATE a decent show to watch.
>>44226146
I'm Canadian and I get mad at the Japs FOR Americans.
Americans nuked the shit out of them, and then built their barbaric nation up from fucking nothing all the while protecting it from the rightful vengeance of the Chinese and other oriental nations, and the greed of the Soviets.
Imperial Japan was the single most monstrous nation in that fucking world war, not even fucking Stalin came close despite starving entire countries, hell, even Nazi Germany fell short, coming close only because of the scale they operated at.
So for a country that STILL benefits from the protection and economic or diplomatic power of the nation that had every reason to keep nuking them until the seas glowed to suddenly have a noticeable influx of Imperialistic ideas, Burgers have every right to be buttmad.
The Portal leads to one of WoW's many realms
Japan gets absolutely assblasted by whoever they manage to piss offProbably the Forsaken
>>44225866
>Japanese Self-Defense Force invades fantasy country
>German Defense Force (Wehrmacht) invades Poland
What is it with ultranationalist 'defense' forces invading other countries?
>>44227713
The Axis of Power demands that defense is to be aggressive.
At least Burgerbombers are honest about wanting to set up puppets so as to secure their supplies.
>>44227638
UN peacekeeming mission in GATE whenI'd play the shit out of that
>>44227713
Fantasy empire invaded Japan first and they needed to defend themselves, tho. What better way to do that than by building a base on the other side and preventing fantasy armies from getting into Tokyo again? And then diplomancing.
No excuse for Germany, though.
>>44226677
Anon, I'm sure a civilisation that can wipe out countries in the blink of an eye, that has subverted the shackles of gravity itself to send people to the stars and whos citizens fly across the globe as if commonplace, can easily deal with a few things like magic shields and swords.
>>44227730
Wouldn't it just turn into 'all aboard the NATO train' when the UN inevitably achieves nothing once again?
>>44227754
Germany has the excuse that it was invading Poland.
Poland exists to be invaded, I mean shit, she wouldn't be wearing those clothes and strutting up and down this street if she didn't want to get invaded to fuck and back.
>>44227730
>All the UN soldiers are from African countries, India, Pakistan, China and Indonesia.
Sounds like fun.
>>44227773
>mfw Poland disappeared for like a century and nobody cared.
>>44227773
I think the phrase 'I hate it when Motherland and Fatherland fight' sums up Poland's history pretty well.
>>44226575
And fake.
>>44227690
>Implying people with fucking swords and shields can win against tactical airstrikes.
Drones nigga.
>>44227876
I'm pretty sure that would result in arrows through the drones.
WoW is kinda stupidly high power level when you hit high level characters.
>>44227730
One of the best GATE threads on /tg/ we had a while back was denationalizing the story and having it still be set in Japan, but forces from countries around the world involved in it mingled with the JSDF.
The jokes was that Japan's xenophobia and racism left them constantly confused by the diverse peoples they now had to work alongside.
>"Man, the Indian army training must be pretty good."
>"What are you talking about?"
>"That guy. He has good training."
>"Okay, first off? He's american."
>"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH? B-but he's the wrong color!"
>"Also, his family is from Pakistan, not India. Please do not call him Indian to his face. Its a whole thing..."
>"Only America uses black agents!"
>"Okay, WOW. Thats, like, super racist Hiroto. Also, he's French."
>"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH?"
>"Please stop doing that."
>>44227765
"Okay, what's this shield enchanted with?"
"Oh, it blocks anything."
"Anything?"
"Anything."
"But like, what about a bullet? A missile? Tank shells? A NUKE?"
"Bitch, do your ears not work? I said it block ANYTHING."
"But HOW?! That makes no damn sense!"
"It's fucking magic, man. I don't have to explain this shit; it just WORKS."
Want to hit them with artillery? Dome of force that blocks anything striking it. Secure bunkers housing command staff or WMDs? Scryers locate 'sites of great threat' and teleporters appear to fuck your shit up, or they just cause a volcano to erupt under you, or a meteorite to fall on your base. Dragons with scales like tungsten steel rip helicopters out of the sky and belch fire over everything they don't like. Djinn race F-16s and hurl lightning bolts around the sky. Entire enchanted CASTLES fly over the battlefield opening portals to hell or letting loose armies of archangels or elementals upon the enemy, vulnerable perhaps to anti-magic attack that WE DO NOT HAVE. Tank divisions are bogged down in swamps that appear from no-where; infantry and artillery crews are mind-controlled; WMD deployment is countered by literal WRATH OF THE GODS.
The problem isn't so much that one side or the other can't dish out as much hurt, but that ONE side has absolutely no protection from magic, while the OTHER has magical protection from anything physical!
Unless of course, magic is weaksauce in that other world, because if so, then rah rah American version of GATE.
>>44227911
WoW arrows have stupid small ranges, though. Just need the drone to fly a little higher. Or fire from farther away.
>>44227986
Sounds like it's time for biological warfare.
>>44227730
>>44227966
So many people say that they want to do something with the gate's setting (or deconstructing and reforming it), but it never gets done. I wish we got our collective shit together and actually do something about it.
Like being it be two versions. Be in a adventureing party in military, or be a commanding officer and pull of awsome tactical orders in big scale fights.
>>44228022
I think at that point you run into 'Guys who can heal wounds in seconds and purge disease with a touch'
>>44228024
Fuck me wrong image what the hell
>>44228014
You should not make mistake of assuming that artifacts of game mechanics are carried on to this sort of hypothetical scenarios.
Otherwise you could argue that the fantasy kingdom could easily defeat modern realm by utilizing peasant railgun and the like.
>>44228022
> The high priest has performed the rite of pure waters, the plague is ended! Its a miracle! Praise the Gods!
Please, anon. Cure Disease is a 3rd level spell and only takes seconds to cast.
>>44228043
No. Too late now. This is now a JoJo thread, fantasy setting has Stands.
This is your fault.
>>44228024
/tg/ getting shit done means a fuckload of Anons throw random shitty ass idea while a lone autist writes his own thing, ignores the Anon and releases it all later.
>>44228050
Or that enemy soldiers will stop pursuing you if you climb a rock out of melee range.
>>44228014
>>44227986
>>44228042
This is how most discussions boil down to. Since we don't have any numbers or limits set, the arguement devovles into 'muh holy gods and magic'.
Look, I don't mean that thos things shouldn't exist, but only if we had some system to organize the difficulty of the campeign by setting the power level of fantasyland would be really fucking useful.
>>44228091
I just use GURPS for my mashups.
Works gr8.
>>44228050
Ok, how far can arrows be shot lore wise? What's the most that they have ever done? Even then drones can fly so high that you can't fucking see them even if you know they are there.
>>44228091
Well, the thread was asking how a fantasy setting would fight back. Magic IS the main reason why they'd have a chance in an equal setting.
>>44228022
Immunity to/Cure Disease spells? Have you never played anything with a mildly prepared cleric? Besides, you haven't even stopped to consider the fact that the public and international community may be just a SMIDGE upset at the prospect of using ABC weapons on ANYONE, human or otherwise!
And the question was 'would a magical world stand a chance against the modern one'. We have no idea who's attacking whom here, or the wider political or economic situation! I mean, if a magic world attacked, say, Zimbabwe, it'd have a much easier time than if it popped up in the American midwest, right outside a military base!
>>44228024
>>44228043
Hey, Stands could be a thing over there? Guardian spirits?
And hell, I'd be up for making this a thing. Where do we start? Even if >>44228074 kind of has it right. But hey, we've made something out of worse stuff. Not sure if what we made was GOOD, but it was SOMETHING! Remember the Redeemed Succubus Goddess thing that had the autists on either side of the argument absolutely shitting their pants?
>>44226502
>mixing up Narnia, The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter
My autism is triggered. They also conveniently forgot the different time rate the other world has. Logistics is a bitch when a year on Earth is centuries on Narnia.
>>44228123
Most magic is usually line of sight, rarely has a huge range, and rarely do they use things like binoculars (or the spell equivalent) to throw spells at stuff farther away.
>>44228163
Define 'Most magic'. As I'm pretty sure the moment anything resembling a ritual turns up in a fantasy novel range/sight stops mattering.
>>44226622
>The bigger helmet doesn't continue to shake
Almost anon. Almost.
>>44228106
>>44228123
>>44228126
>>44228163
No, I meant something else entirely. Like a guideline. Such as system setting the campeighn's difficulty.
1. Low magic/low tech. HFY tier easy. Research is easy too, politicians get their shit togeather faster, etc.
2. Some magic. Easy to do, somewhat flexible politicians.
3.good amount of magic and tech to hold out against us. Normal game, possible to lose.
4. Shit gets harder, dragons and demigods appear more often.
5. God-supported paladin crusades or vermintides, and retribution from god itself. Really hard to win.
>>44227785
>mfw Poland disappeared for like a century and nobody cared.
Being poland is suffering
The very first verse of their national anthem (very nice song btw) is "Poland hasn't disappeared...yet". It sets the mood.
>>44227966
They really used the phrase "only america uses black agent" in the books?
>>44228024
Good modern military rpgs aren't really common, so it limits the effort. Plus if you want to do it well you'd have to deal with 1)advanced tactical fights 2)all sorts of magics 3)logistics & military hierarchy 4)diplomacy with alien beings and cultures 5)UN infighting and dickery.
murrica strong
fukkin japs
>>44228242
>They really used the phrase "only america uses black agent" in the books?
Oh yes, they did.
As an Australian I laughed my ass off at that. Then again, I imagine Japan would like to pretend it never fought the ANZACs.
>>44228242
>The very first verse of their national anthem (very nice song btw) is "Poland hasn't disappeared...yet". It sets the mood.
Kek.
>They really used the phrase "only america uses black agent" in the books?
Yes.
Some JSDF reservists protect a hot bath (where elves and Rory from the other world chill out), and they successfully kill mysterious elite operators, yes, it's reservists doing it. They get close to one, pull up his mask, he's black. "ONLY AMELIKU USES BLACK OPELATOLS". The others operators come from Russia and China. A few get rekt by the reservists, the others get killed by Rory.
>>44227519
No idea. I mostly skimmed it for lulz and then went straight to the end for the Satan bombing.
>>44228285
>>44228242
Don't forget to mention that for some reason the Americans didn't know the Japs had special forces, or their training, despite the fact that America is the one that trains them.
Oh, and apparently fucking Spec-Ops teams from three separate Super-Powers forgot to bring mother-fucking nightvision on a night-op.
>>44227754
There are several things wrong with Gate. You have a force that is constitutionally prohibited from deploying in foreign countries deploying in a foreign land. You have an army that hasn't fought a war in generations being very effective, and making no errors. You have foreign countries just sending in their special forces, and having Japan's being so superior. You do not have geologists going in to explore for oil, something that Japan imports a lot of.
Gate has a good concept ruined by poor writing.
>>44228312
>>44228285
murrishoot butthurt is the best.
>>44228312
I always wanted to send him an email asking him about that one.
>>44228314
You also don't have that Japan becomes a handpuppet for America whether they or the Americans want it or not, because it's in the fucking treaties, and America isn't going to turn-down a fucking World full of resources.
>>44228290
It's definitely TSW.
Also in the second book, the Earth invades Heaven.Heaven's armies, led by Jesus, get nuked.Jesus wasn't there tho, he was wherever, getting high.
>>44228324
I ain't even 'murcan, m8.
I'm in the "Itsu the EU, they'll try to talk and bore us to death instead of sending troops". Because you know, we don't have armies or elite operators here.
>>44228324
American detected.
>>44227785
Every country sends at least one soldier to the UN because the UN usually pays a lot more than the poorest countries pay their soldiers. The country can make some money that way, and the odds are low that the UN would actually deploy that soldier on his own.
>>44228340
TSW was just so god damn poorly written.
It's really aggravating.
>>44228350
i'm not obese, black, or have bullet wounds.
so i can't be americn.
>>44228242
>Good modern military rpgs aren't really common, so it limits the effort.
Of course! That's why we need all the help we can get.
Plus if you want to do it well you'd have to deal with
1)advanced tactical fights
Something like shadowrun:hong kong or xcom would do for tactical scale battles, but strategic scale battles could be like miniature games. But with tactical battles happening inside. Of course this would get hairy, so we would need to automate the parts the player is not nearby: IE like miniature 40k tabletop battles.
2)all sorts of magics
Difficulty levels. Might need to clear out the options on that one, like what factor determines what difficulty the setting is. But typing on mobile at 4o clock in the mornin is hard man.
3)logistics & military hierarchy
We would need to look up on that. Search a lot of stuff, or maybe ask around.
4)diplomacy with alien beings and cultures
5)UN infighting and dickery.
YES, WE ESPECIALLY WE NEED THIS HOLY SHIT
THIS IS THE DEFINING FACTOR WHY GATE WAS SHIT(along with nationalism wank). Seriously. Out of all five this must be done at all costs.
>>44228340
I do never get that. Like, some of the best Spec Ops teams in the world come out of Europe.
>>44228324
Doesn't take an american to know about the politics that would be involved. Any military weeb will at least be somewhat aware of the JSDF's situation.
>>44228314
Yeah, in the early chapters, Japanese higher-ups jerk themselves over how much natural resources they can find there, but it never leads anywhere. And China has dreams of sending people over there and turn it all into a giant farm.
>>44228359
Yeah and then the author threw a fit because somebody made a torrent of the two first books, so he couldn't sell it, and decided not to publish the third book.
>>44228126
>Hey, Stands could be a thing over there? Guardian spirits?
If guardians spirits are drawn to all souls and not linked with the baby at birth, all soldier that goes through the gate would find himself with a new friend inside his head.ala Northern Lights/Golden Compass
>>44228366
It's mostly a joke, and possibly because you have France.
Most 'Murricans actually love France, though we rip on them all the god damn time.
>>44228367
>fiction has to be realistic.
ok
>>44228365
Just use GURPS.txt
>>44228022
Watch as your guys get diseases that they have never been exposed to while there guys are either immune or can easily cure them.
>>44228314
That, and considering that the entire world is breathing down their neck for access to the Gate, giving America the cold shoulder too is downright silly.
They are already allies with America. America is the biggest reason why China hasn't kicked Japan into the ocean yet. And having America onboard for the Gate thing would give them the breathing room to be more stingy with the other global powers, because fucking with Japan is one thing but fucking with America too is an entirely different proposition.
Not even burgerlander, its just the dumbest possible diplomacy choice they could have made. The Gate is on their land and cannot be moved, even if America gave them a bullshit-tier shitty deal of only making 20% of the profit Japan would still be absolutely rolling in dosh as a result.
>>44228376
>international army in disarray after soldiers suddeny gain lovable animal spirit companions
>>44228392
>Gate opens in France.
>They send the whole FFL in.
>Everything living is raped and killed (or killed and raped if it's more convenient), everything else is burned.
yes
>>44228395
>GURPS
I'm afraid of GURPS.
Also the difficylty settings.
>>44225940
Then you just mine the portal or put a neutron bomb in that will constantly kill everything as they respawn.
>>44228441
You don't really "get" the principle of explosives being single-use, do you?
>>44228407
Right, but the ultranationalist military otaku who the series is built for hate America for continuing to occupy grorius nihon.
>>44228435
GURPS is love. GURPS is life.
Embrace GURPS.
>>44228407
I think what's even funnier is how easily those same nations fucking give up.
Like, they send spec ops teams(badly), and then they never try again?
>>44228242
>Being poland is suffering
You know, I'm thinking there needs to be an alliance of abused countries. Like, we'll have Finland, Poland and Estonia in there for starters, purely for geographical reasons. It'll be like a support group where they can talk about their past, understand that there's friends who've been through the same and who want to help... And then they can all grouse about Russia because who in Eastern Europe DOESN'T have beef with Russia?
>>44228212
Oh.
Well fuck that. That's boring! Let's make a setting!
>>44228314
>>44228407
It's really a shame. Which is why it's up to us to fix it.
Most basic points to start with: Where should the gate open and what should the fantasy world's first actions be? Is it opened intentionally, or by accident? Is it a national action, or a few foolhardy adventurers poking something they really fucking shouldn't?
>>44228441
Will neutron bombs even effect undead? The blast wave, and maybe the thermal radiation would, but I don't think ionizing radiation would really affect the undead, beyond making them radioactive zombies.
>>44228392
> Most 'Murricans actually love France, though we rip on them all the god damn time.
How can we not? The French have moxie, and on some level every American respects that.
France is like that drinking buddy that you have good times with, and you say horrible things about each other, but its all in good fun. They aren't the guy you invite home to spend Christmas with your family, but if either of you ends up in a ditch the other will drive out in the middle of the night to pick you up and laugh about what a shitty day it is.
>>44228528
I'd be interested in seeing a gate open in international waters. An island rising from the deep or something.
>>44228509
Sure, I heard gurps is versatile and can be used for anything, but I just wish we had a dedicated system or a pdf for woroldbuilding/settingbuilding. So later we start this interdimentional interaction discussion again we can contribute to the discussion better just by the aid of clean cut boundaries that seperate and distinguishes how or what can the settings count as.
>>44228572
Imagine the clusterfuck if that rose up in the sea between China and Japan. International tensions would be ridiculous.
>>44228394
It's sort of the problem with basing your fiction in real-world nations, organizations and politics. Regardless of the fictitious elements introduced, the omissions and inaccuracies let people point fingers at the author and (deservedly) call him a wanker.
>>44225866
Depends where it happened. If Gate had happened in Sweden the faggots would've surrendered. The whole EU would've surrendered, or else fought amongst themseles for six months over who (when America Germany and Poland) would eventually foot the bill for their counter-attack (funding ethnic minority groups through the gate) while goblins skullfucked the hostages or whatever.
If it had happened in Africa, 300,000,000 niggers would've just poured through the gate with machetes and AK-47s and fucking jacked the entire planet.
If it had happened in Russia, it would've just been another Chechen War.
Remember that the modern, developed world suffers from a total vacuum of moral courage, and thus cannot meaningfully defend itself against aggression. They rely almost exclusively on less developed or enlightened people to fight their wars for them.
>>44228312
If I ever get a time machine, I'm going back and telling Truman to drop a third.
>>44228528
>It's really a shame. Which is why it's up to us to fix it.
>Most basic points to start with: Where should the gate open and what should the fantasy world's first actions be? Is it opened intentionally, or by accident? Is it a national action, or a few foolhardy adventurers poking something they really fucking shouldn't?
This is exactly the reason why I want something like >>44228593 be real. So we can have a guideline to work out with instead of flinging ideas around. Come on guys.
>>44228539
Zombies still need to move anon with muscles and energy. A zombie hit with enough radiation isn't moving anywhere.
>>44228441
Just close the iris.
>>44228480
You can place more mines whenever you want. Cover with artillery when you need to set more down but they're still sending waves.
>>44228631
You will have to bring it with you. A third bomb was not yet built at that time.
>>44225866
Because the fantasy world is Lordran, and our modern armies get their shit wrecked by undead ninja-wizards, who can respawn infinitely if they die until they git gud and memorise every possible form of attack we can turn against them.
>>44228710
Fine. I'll steal a Tsar Bomba from Russia and shove it into the TARDIS.
>>44227228
Oh you mean cold iron? We've got tons of it lying around.
>>44228528
1. The middle of the Pacific.
2. Asia.
3. Someplace that was thought to be magical, such as lay line crossings or objects such as Uluru in Australia or Stonehenge.
What creatures of the Dreamtime, or the return of the Druids and Merlin?
>>44228609
You seriously underestimate the planet, don't you? Hell, I have little enough nice to say about my own country, but if there was suddenly a new evil sweeping Europe, you can be damn sure that Britain would go full WW2-mode again. Except this time instead of the RAF, we send in literally every special forces operative we have and write them a blank cheque. Hitler 2.0 is history in a month.
>>44228572
>>44228601
Yes, yes, a THOUSAND times yes! Just one gate, or multiple? Something in the Sea of Japan, one in the Med, one in the North Atlantic and maybe one in the Arabian Sea? Be interesting if they popped up one at a time, so the moment Japan/China is done reeling from the attack from THEIR gate, there's suddenly one in the Arabian sea making the oil-producing nations and Indians very worried.
Okay, that's the 'where', but what about what the fantasy world does upon making this connection? Invasion? Build a base on the far side first? Send through scouts or diplomats?
>>44228656
Okay but what about skeletons, I'm pretty sure that they're powered by pure necromantic energy and calcium.
>>44228756
Cold Iron worked against a small number of weak nature spirits that were tied to our world.
Expecting that to work against magic on their world is like assuming that all Vampires sparkle in the daylight just because Twilight did it. You are making some pretty huge assumptions based on a single variation of a very large pool of options.
>>44228788
Scouts/Start building a fort sounds about right.
For them too it's new, unclaimed land.
>>44227986
>shields that stop everything
Then why have armies of orcs?
If you've got all that stuff, you wouldn't even bother with armies of orcs at all.
>>44228792
The mines will take care of them in that case. Alternatively just put an actual nuke down-portal.
>>44228710
The third bomb was in California. It would have taken two weeks to assemble, and additional time to transport. It was thought the war would be over by then.
General Groves was the proponent of the one-two punch. Hit them with the bomb, followed quickly by another while they were still off balance.
>>44228376
>all soldier that goes through the gate would find himself with a new friend inside his head
>black tank commander winds up with the ghost of JEB Stuart watching over his tank
>banter occurs
>fantasy races get rekt
>>44226035
>>44226128
>>44226420
>>44227713
What is wrong with Japanese Ultranationalism? They could really use a jolt of that, seeing how they are a country in steep decline due to low birthrates. They need to feel proud of their country again. It is a sad thing what they have become.
>>44228788
The nations of the fantasy world are just as confused by the portals as we are. They recognize it as magic, but none of them know who is responsible or how such a feat was accomplished.The Gates were made by a BBEG-tier wizard from the fantasy world who has been a thorn in their side for hundreds of years, always returning after they thought he was finally defeated. He is already on Earth, and is using magic to hide among a populace that has no defense or knowledge against his tricks. Mind control, invisibility, curses.... etc. He is infiltrating our culture and learning all of our secrets, waiting for the right moment to reveal his latest and greatest weapons combining master sorcery with Earth's high technology and physics knowledge, the best of worth worlds combined.
All of the Gates that showed up after the first were intentionally placed where they would spark the greatest strife and international tensions, both locally (fantasy Kingdoms fighting each other/Erth nations fighting for control) and in between (Fantasy vs Earth conflicts) in order to keep everyone too busy fighting each other to notice his own rise to power until it was too late. Maximum chaos.
>>44228392
That's hardly American-exclusive. Here in the UK taking the piss out of the French is a national pastime, when we're not fighting the buggers.
>>44228892
During the Napoleonic wars someone in Britain made chamber pots with a model of Napoleon's face built into the bottom of the bowl. Good times.
>>44228877
N-n-ank I MEAN nothing. Japanese is a majestic creature and not fit for this cruel world. They must fade away like the elves and pass into the next. Maybe with a polite push.
>>44228877
Same thing that's wrong with all ultranationalism. It makes for really shitty fiction.
>humanity maintain a fighting retreat from magic
>rapidly works on multiple avenues of research
>everyone with a doctorate is thrown at figuring out what magic is and how to counter it
>entire companies are contracted to devote their resources to fighting magic in any way, from R&D to production, right on down to marketing.
>marketing manages to hold focus groups with captured invaders
>begins marketing products to invading forces
>in underground markets at first, but they become increasingly popular
>eventually negotiate for peace on the back of superior human culture
>>44228892
Yes, but y'all actually have some historical enmity. Americans give the French shit, but deep down we know we wouldn't exist without them helping us kick your asses off our lawn. The French were our very first bros. And first bros are best bros.
>>44228891
This would be hard or impossibly difficult to win. Maybe tone it down a little to make it actually beatable if possible?
Also, I remember seeing this scenario multiple times in the past, was it all you ? If so, this is some nice plot.
>>44228877
Japan only exists because the people that had every right, and indeed were enthusiastic at the thought of genocide at the time, took mercy on them despite them being what many people consider, the most monstrous of the factions in the war.
Japan as a country STILL is only allowed to exist because Amurrica is protecting them from any Chinese aggression, even though the Russians aren't really interested any more.
So, a country that benefits from the Military protection, economic and diplomatic support, of the country that has every right to cut them off and let them sink, suddenly has an up-swing in Imperialistic tendencies is very much a bad thing. I mean shit, AMERICA had a standard policy that if a base had to be evacuated due to Imperial Japanese aggression that everyone who couldn't be evacuated had to be granted a swift merciful end.
That, and unlike every other nation out there, they still refuse to apologize for all the horrific and twisted shit they did, acting like they did nothing wrong.
>>44228984
Also Lady Liberty, as long as she stands AMERICA will always be friends with France.
>>44228970
Isn't there an anime for this? Like underground? Crisis cooporation or something. I don't remember, but I heard it being mentioned.
>>44228891
I do like that. Even if it's maybe, as someone else said, a bit too hard to have an ending beyond 'Wizard win'.
I do like a situation that has diplomacy possible between the fantasy world and ours though.
>>44228989
Yeah, I have posted variations of it before.
And its possible to beat him, he just has to be forced to tip his hand too early. This is a guy who has been defeated, even if not killed, multiple times on his own world. He is not infallible, though he is incredibly dangerous.
Maybe his tactics get recognized by a fantasylander who is in our world to negotiate peace or trade. Maybe he slips up and evidence of his existence ends up on record before he has a firm grip on just how much gets recorded in our society. Maybe a literal witchunt to root out 'magical infiltrators in our nation' actually turns up some of the suspicious activity he has been up to. Lots of ways for the plan to fail, he greatest defense is secrecy after all.
>>44229005
I always wondered if the Stature of Liberty was green when it arrived or still bronze. I get the feeling the bronze version would be much more impressive to look at.
>>44228993
>the most monstrous of the factions in the war.
Thats not the Allied.
>>44229062
Eh, 3.5/10.
Had some traction, didn't quite get there.
>>44229062
>>44229023
I wouldn't be surprised, but if there is, I want to watch it.
>>44229053
I like the green.
It gives the impression of humbleness, and the dignity that only comes from age.
>>44228572
>>44228601
Hmm, I think this would be the beginning of ww3.
Only solution I see so countries cooperate while trying to stab each other in the back for dominance:
>Gate appears in a non-aligned sovereign country in Africa.
>African army get fucked up, reluctant to call up on african union because of local political tensions, goes to the UN.
>UN resolution
>everyone goes in, small countries overrepresented because the big ones don't want their concurrent to be there en masse
>mad rush for claims to new land while peacekeeping
>sabotage and "accidental" friendly fire everywhere
>>44228411
It a well-known fact that french soldiers will find someone to make love to somehow, even under heavy fire in the middle of nowhere. And we're talking about a setting that has monstergirls. It's not rape if you're seducing them.
>>44229052
Well, thanks for the insight man.
Maybe if I get dedicated and pull my head away from my intrests, ai might try my hand on this. Like that anon some months ago who promised to deliver their country's version of gate. While being a military person himself.
I dunno what I'?m doing, I should sleep
>>44229087
It was something like 'crisis company' or something, and it dealt with the aftermath of transitioning. How foreigners are getting used to japanese subculture. And by subculture, you know what I mean.
>>44229062
If you count the communist yeah. But if you do you are playing stats without context. Which is a silly game. By that I mean, If the Allies and the Commies weren't fighting the Axis powers they would be fighting each other. The then spent the rest of the century in some kind of conflict, whether thats proxy or muscle flexing. And unlike Japan all of those involved accept the horrific things that happened by there hand. The Japanese have an interesting culture, but i have very little respect for a country that ignores its past.
>>44228891
One of the most interesting thing about Gate is that it opened up earlier in another location, and a Roman legion entered it. The Romans carved out a little empire there before it opened up again in Japan.
>>44229150
>that ignores the bad parts of it's relatively recent past.
FTFY.
>>44226474
based on xp and since it wasn't much of a challenge killing something that cannot realistically fight you at very long range, veteran operator at most will be at lvl 3 and that's being generous.
![wizard_by_gerezon-d5d1i0h[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CMm51Vs.jpg "wizard_by_gerezon-d5d1i0h[1].jpg")
>gate appears, some minor scuffles break out
>level 10 wizard shows up
>permanency wall of force over the gate entrance
>any invaders that want to attack, he just teleports them out
>but not till after they've been buffed like crazy by clerics
How would the military stop this shit?
>>44229053
Copper when she arrived.
Alright, if we seriously want to do this "Gate but HFY instead of Japanese jingoism" thing, we need to start putting ideas together.
Which countries jump in on the multinational task force?
Are we putting the Gate itself in international waters, or keeping it located in Area 11?
How common is soldiers bringing back waifus with them? How is it perceived culturally if a soldier marries a monstergirl? What about an elf girl?
>>44228891
That works a lot better if we want the focus to be on the BBEG rather than the nations and geopolitics. Making it deliberately caused by a malevolent third party makes it much more like a traditional fantasy story of ruining the evil villain's plans, rather than actually looking at the topics that interest us in GATE. At least, that's my opinion.
>>44229201
shoot the invaders, wall off the gate
>>44229204
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?391379-setting-riff-Voices-From-Below-and-the-Long-Stairs
>>44229204
Realistically, any joint army invading the fantasy land would probably be a UN coalition lead by the United States. Location is irrelevant because it would just be converted into a UN fortress because it would be a natural bottleneck for any invasion force.
Bringing back wives would probably be about as common as it was in Vietnam.
>>44229204
About the only thing I know is that murrica is pulling everyone in. I mean, first off. Korea wht their comapretively big land army. Add that with the japanese navy, along with a dash of murrican air force, and you got a capable army that can hold off china. Now that was just two countries. Sure, europe did weacen i terms of military strength, but if you add up whatever force they chose to give up, it will still be a significant amount. Finally, murrica. Task group inbound.
>How common is soldiers bringing back waifus with them? How is it perceived culturally if a soldier marries a monstergirl? What about an elf girl?
Gee, anon, maybe armies already have rules for this kind of things?
>>44229252
>Bringing back wives would probably be about as common as it was in Vietnam.
So, more often the poor pregnant Elf girl gets left behind when the soldier goes home, and has to try and raise their poor halfblood daughteru alone?
That's some depressing shit, man.
>>44229236
>wall off the gate
With what? There are readily available ways of removing any material quickly and easily as a wizard or for a cleric. The wizard could make a tiny hole in the barrier, use "move stone" or disintegration, then recreate the wall.
It wouldn't be very easy to build a wall anyway, with gargantuan intangible trolls and reduced pixies flying around fucking shit up
>>44229270
It would pretty much be like the vietnam war scene in Watchmen, complete with the giant naked blue guy
>>44226474
>But what happens when OPERATORS enter those settings? Over 300 confirmed kills gotta give some xp.
What if it turns out that only people born in that world can level up like in an RPG? Would people from our side kidnap and indoctrinate children?
>>44229292
I was thinking more Miss Saigon, since most people aren't the fucking Comedian.
>>44229346
That, and most soldiers would get their skulls cracked in by their officers for that kinda shit these days.
Unless their officers are women, and then you get signed up for an orgy by them and when it blows up in their faces, you get court-martialed and dishonorably discharged while they get a slap on the wrist and reassigned.
>>44229204
While there is the potential of resources, information, and trade, there is a danger with the contamination of disease/magic/things man was not meant to know. It may very well be targeted for destruction.
The UN Security Council consists of Russia, the United Kingdom, France, China, and the United States. It doesn't matter what the General Assembly wants if one of those countries vetoes it.
>>44229371
>The UN Security Council consists of Russia, the United Kingdom, France, China, and the United States. It doesn't matter what the General Assembly wants if one of those countries vetoes it.
And we've had plenty of examples of any of those countries simply ignoring what the other security council members want.
>>44229407
You could have one country try to go it alone, but if another sends a cruise missile to blow up the gate, they are screwed.
>>44228993
Japan's our lil' buddy, and they learned from the best: Kill whoever you want, fuck whoever you want, never apologize, never pay for it, act like you did them a favor. Keep it up for long enough and it becomes normal.
>>44229224
The problem is that geopolitics make for a shitty story, because geopolitics don't end. You'll have some initial skirmishes, and then things will shake themselves out into either somewhat stable power arrangement or an extended period of war that lasts years or decades until a somewhat stable power arrangement is achieved. If the Gate(s) show up, any story whose focus is geopolitical funtimes has to have a scale of at least 25 years, probably more. Which means reducing most of the characters to bit parts because very few people are going to be in any position to see that sort of epic through.
There needs to be something else, a short term plot, in order to root the story into something that can be told. Tying this story into why the Gates exist in the first place neatens things up and takes them from a narrative conceit to actually being important.
>>44228788
>if there was suddenly a new evil sweeping Europe, you can be damn sure that Britain would go full WW2-mode again.
>if
I visited Rotherham once.
Once.
>>44229498
>then things will shake themselves out into either somewhat stable power arrangement or an extended period of war
That seems like perfect material for a story, it got meaningful conflict and resolution.
Brutal clash with an entirely new world with political structures, foreign cultures and physical laws, with uneasy alliances between eath nations should be enough of an adventure by itself.
Not that it can't miss, Gate is the proof of that, but with good execution it should be a blast even without explaining the reasons behind all the phenomenas.example : the force wasn't explained and it made for a good plothook. Midichlorians offered nothing good
>>44228993
Sorry but I want Japanese Ultranationalism as well as American Ultranationalism.
>>44229717
Stories are about people, not things. If you want to write a story about a thing, you've gotta put a person in there, and give them a reason to care about the Thing. They could hate the Thing, love the Thing, want to protect the Thing, want to destroy the Thing... doesn't matter how they feel, they just need to care about the Thing, and what happens to it.
Because a story without people would just be a history book about shit that never happened - tedious, pointless, and devoid of drama of any kind.
>>44226433
So it's a world of disasters that protects itself from even world ending meteors. A Death World outside of their cities and some other areas. There, done. Suddenly nukes just aren't enough.
Also they put a regenerating mountain golem bigger than the gate to guard the gate and is easily capable of smashing anything that can fit through the gate and body blocking nukes.
And some wizard gestures at the city on the other side and destroys a few blocks there.
>>44228993
>USA
>giving up on military bases right in their sphere of interest in SE-Asia
Dream on. The bases on Japan are needed to control the parts the US cares about, so they'll deal with them having the side-effect of making Japan safe from China.
>>44229366
Hi /r9k/
>>44225866
Because humanity is extremely vulnerable to alien microorganisms and virii which locals are immune to, and japanese were dumb enough to send in massive unprotected ground force instead of either destroying the gate or encapsulating it inside airtight NBC shelter.
>>44229077
>>44229078
I read that the Brits apparently did kill a lot of people in India with the famine they cause when they loaded all the food into convoys heading for the islands.
>>44229366
It's funny how many trick the US adapted from the Israelis in the last bunch of decades - internalizing almost all cases of rape by putting women on the forces and assassination by bombs are two of those.
>>44230292
>destroying the gate or encapsulating it inside airtight NBC shelter.
The only logical answer when the other side is really dangerous and likely follows different laws of physics with prominent Gods and Magic. Though I'm sure all the big countries will be willing to sacrifice lots of lives, time, resources and money to try to take over the place.
Need a "Terrorist" or "Extremist" (as they be portrayed) to come destroy the gate.
>>44228435
In this case, for the requirements you gave? It's really the best choice by a long shot.
>>44228365
>1)advanced tactical fights
Tactical Shooting handles your OPERATIONS and Mass Combat has your troop actions of fantasy and modern armies.
>2)all sorts of magics
The standard Magic book would work fine for it - it has some subtle and powerful effects that would actually stand up to a modern military force if used smartly. But there's also Thaumatology, which is all about making more magic systems. There're something like a half-dozen functional magic systems in GURPS.
>3)logistics & military hierarchy
>4)diplomacy with alien beings and cultures
>5)UN infighting and dickery.
These come down to the organisation rules - Boardroom and Curia, Social Engineering, etc etc.
For GURPS: Gate, I'd say you'd want:
High Tech - for the modern side.
Either Default Magic or the Sorcery system
Fantasy - as a reference for exotic races.
Mass Combat and the issue of Pyramid that has a bunch of fantasy armies statted out.
That's about it. Should work out pretty well - it's actually a very classic GURPS campaign.
>>44229005
In Chinese, the Statue of Liberty is called
"自由女神像" or "Idol to the Goddess of Freedom". I think that name captures how America views the concept of freedom much more accurately than merely calling it a statue would.
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Has anyone played games based on colonization/encounter with foreign cultures? Which systems did you use?
I've heard that Dog eat Dog has nice mechanisms, but haven't put my hands on it.
>>44230292
I'm not gonna put epidemics in my setting, considering that it would offer nothing from a narrative standpoint that wouldn't be available otherwise, and will slow the game to a halt if we have full NBC containment, vaccinations and mass cure diseases constantly. Maybe an evil wizard or a crazy general will unleash the plague, but it will be a one-time thing.
There's a reason why twilight 2000 is post-apoc gunslingers fightning their way out instead of famished marauders eaten by disease, parasites and radiation trying to find roots to eat below the ashes.
>>44230657
Not him, but I'm kinda scared of Gurps too. Looks like you have to learn 4 or 5 systems at once.
>>44231019
>Not him, but I'm kinda scared of Gurps too. Looks like you have to learn 4 or 5 systems at once.
GURPS is a single, moderately complex system with lots and lots of modular add-ons. It's manageable as long as you only bother to learn the rules you need.
>>44228877
It killed 10+ million people.
>>44228024
I was writing a GATE: UN Edition Fanfic, but it petered out after a few thousand words. Mainly because of essay work, and that I wanted to research it as extensively as possible and spent most of my time reading on UN Peacekeeping and not writing the damn thing.
>>44226193
Just googled this a bit, where can I get the book or texts ?
I can only find some reviews or wikis
>>44227655
I am proud to be your neighbor.
>>44228364
The chances of being shot in America are greatly exaggerated. Some Americans can go for YEARS without an attack.
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>>44228212
I would be in favor of high-level but very restricted magic. Fairytales and legends style. Up to real gods.
Example in pic, the more magical power you possess the less peers you have.
Plus most mages would be awfully specialized or wouldn't control their powers completely.
This way it allows for party progression, you can have basic magic users in the beginning and finish the campaign with an all-powerful archmage. And it justifies that there are still peasants, kings and warriors, and that mages don't run that world.
Magic artefacts are pretty common and diverse, but many of it is hyperspecific in its use or near-useless if you don't find some (again. Most of it is used to make life easier and justify fantasy tech stagnation in a lot of fields.
Also, with a not all powerful magic, you can focus more on conflict between the coalition members, each one doing black ops in its corner to gain influence and knowledge.
I would put different factions in the fantasy world, to enhance the importance of diplomacy. Some of them will probably want to ally to/use those foreigners with strange weapons for plausible deniability and gain of power. And pariahs and slaves allow for good dynamics.
Also, interaction of magic and technology : What do you guys think ? Does magic fucks tech ala arcanum ? Does tech fucks magic ala paradox from mage: the ascension. Are the two fully compatible and respond to different fields of the same laws of physics ?
As for the basic plot: UN force is sent to watch the gate, operations goes to an halt due to every politician tearing each other during the assemblies, and players are left to themselves/instructed to recon the fantasy universe/get contacted by natives.
I would like a system where the middle-ages/antiquity conceptions of the universe are real, but that creates a lot of problems (people sent through are suddently made of humors, etc...), so I think that making magic a foreign force that permeates the world would be better.
>>44225866
Everyone is a magic user and they realize how to shoot small rocks like bullets
>>44225866
Fantasy world is Russia, They burn every village before ground forces invade and winter does the rest.
>>44232887
>making magic a foreign force that permeates the world would be better
Sounds like that would create a big advantage for the tech side, since magic wouldn't work in their world unless it's spilling through the portal from the magic magic world to the tech world to let it be usable.
Unless you meant something else.
>>44233027
but what if the invaders are actual russians
>>44225866
Magic, or things similar to it, such as potent psychic abilities. Or it's a fantasy world with eldritch or alien elements. I mean, the locals might not be a concern, but we end up disturbing their planet and wake some elder gods? Could be a problem. Disease might also be an issue.
'Fantasy' strictly speaking doesn't even necessarily imply lesser technology per say. For instance, they may be overall lesser than us, but they could have had some ridiculously advanced lost race that a few individuals retain the knowledge of, etc. Or they may have one incredibly good trick, like teleportation, which doesn't have to follow the physical laws of our universe. And they could have gods.
There are plenty of reasons behind it - ultimately it comes down to the age old rule. "Depends on the setting".
So factions :
1)UN (your official employer)
2)governments (including official stance and secret services)
eventually 2bis) the country where the gate appeared.
3)NGOs and privates interests (legal or not)
4)religions
5)Natives (countries, races, castes, mythological beings, religions,...)
Anything that I forgot ?
And of course, relationships between all those.
Now a few questions: Which period ? Modern or 1980 ? 1980 (or 1990) means that fewer toys are available for the armed forces, but also thatthe gear is much more documented. Plus you can get sweet Cold War politics in here. On the other side battlefield management systems may be restricted on the other side of the gate de to lack of satellite uplink and magic interference.
>>44232491
Could you please share ? (fic and materials) That sounds very interesting.
I'll go ask /k/ tomorrow, there are always some people with overseas experience lurking.
To end all this butthurt about rules, how about a modified Interworld system? There are tech worlds and magic worlds, with a spectrum in between. Magic doesn't work in tech worlds because the laws of physics are too rigid. Tech doesn't work in magic worlds because the laws of physics aren't rigid enough.
>>44233242
Wouldn't it just be better if both worlds used the same rules but one just has magic on top of it? Possibly lacking some elements like uranium or whatevs to be fair. As long as the magic draws from power within and not Gods or the World Itself then it should be fine.
>>44227356
Cthulhu makes your brain explode with a fart and you can't kill him.
>muh fishing boat
>>44225866
>high concentrations of magic cause advanced technology to malfunction.
ALTERNATIVELY
>World is merely one of a galaxy spanning magitech nation
>>44225866
Nier happens and everyone gets turned into salt, the end.
>>44226474
>our world has shit scaling so you only get xp from people within 3 levels of you, and we can't even inherit skills
>our level cap is 99, but our absolute best have only hit LV6 because there's just not enough competition to keep climbing
>fantasy world doesn't even have a level cap
>>44233760
Why doesn't technology cause advanced magic to malfunction?
>>44227231
We'd do pretty well against Exalted now that perfect defenses are gone.
>>44233923
How does energy malfunction and how would a man made device cause this?
>>44233981
Different forms of emissions fucking with energy? Turning it inert? Making it unstable and chaotic and thus uncontrollable?
Imagine if Radio waves could fuck with magic pretty hefty.
>>44226502
>sign says "Ntavakway-"
>>44227455
>>44227503
So no over-sized city destroying monster?
okay...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldmpROBMJvk
>>44231019
>Not him, but I'm kinda scared of Gurps too. Looks like you have to learn 4 or 5 systems at once.
Nah, it's all one system - think of it like the different classes in DnD, same system, just used for different things. Though in this case the default magic system actually uses the Skill system, so it's actually much less complex than DnD's vancian magic.
"Roll 3d6, if it's under your target number, thing happens" - describes about 80% of GURPS.
