>>44157805
Apparently the next publication of the HH book has no real changes, it's just that BaC put them super out-of-stock..

>>44158217
That's a good sign for the 30k future then. Maybe we will get more plastic kits?

>>44158571
I think the easiest next step would be to take the Tactical and Termie sprues from BaC and make them their own boxes.

>>44158668
I'm hoping for an assault kit and a better plastic Contemptor kit.

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>>44158217

>tfw all the shitty, overcosted units and useless rules will stay the same

>>44158571
>>44158709
Given the fact that we still don't have a full suit of Mk8 available I wouldn't get my hopes up.

>>44158825
I do like that turtleneck.

Why don't GW and FW have one guy, even an intern, to keep rules updated almost instantly, so that there is no waiting for updates?

It would cost like $50k a year to pay a guy who, as soon as a book is released, to publish a rules FAQ. Does GW really value having up-to-date or unambiguous rules that little?

>>44158822
I was worried they would change it for the worse. So no loss, no gain.

>>44158825
Don't we have that in the SM commander box?

anyone has the link on the mega for the HH Black library books? can't find it anywhere

I'm planning a 2500 pts NL terror assault list, does this sound viable at all?

Praetor
-cataphractii
-paragon blade, combi-plasma, tp transponder+gubbins

Chaplain
-jump pack
-refractor field, chainglaive+gubbins

Terminator command squad (5 marines)
-twin LC
-chainfist
-3xpower axe
-plasma blaster
-3xcombi-plasma
-tp transponders

3xTerror squad (10 marines)
-10xvolkite charger
-AA, chainglaive, meltabombs sarge

3xApothecary
-AA

Contemptor
-assault cannon
-extra armour
-grav gun

Dreadnought
-plasma cannon
-ceramite
-grav gun

Night raptor squad (10 marines)
-3xpower weapon
-3xchainglaive
-AA, meltabombs, chainglaive sarge

That's approximately 2500 pts with some upgrades that I didn't include there. The plan would be to infiltrate the terror squads, deepstrike the praetor+termies and have the chaplain jumping around with raptors while the dreads provide some fire support.

>>44160163
It's been gone for a while. Account was deleted.

>>44154659
>Given all the deployment types in 30k, there's 6 now, outflank is great.
More variety doesn't make a difference if the new options are worse in every respect to the norm. We had a lengthy conversation with a guy about this about 2 weeks or maybe more back who had trouble accepting this; flyers are so fast that the positional advantage of arriving from a side board edge is minimal compared to the own edge, and makes no difference to assaults as units cannot charge on the turn they arrive, forcing a third turn charge at the soonest. (by the third turn a flyer can access any part of the board no matter its starting position, so outflanking makes zero difference)

>>44160945
I think 2 Terror Squads with Volkite might be a better use of points. The third one is borderline redundant, esp. since your Night Raptors are filling a very similar role.

Maybe an 11+ man Night Raptor Squad to make use of A Talent for Murder vs 10 man squads.

I dont think you can take 3 Chainglaives in a 10 man squad of Night Raptors.

If youre running Terminators you can infiltrate Sevatar with a Terror Squad and the Termies can DS without scatter. Sevatar is one of the better characters at 175 points.

Id consider adding a squad or two of jetbikes with meltabombs for fluffy, and fast delivery of anti armor. Putting your infiltrated Terror squads in rhinos will save them wounds while they get into position

>>44161193
what a shame

ty anyways

Okay current plan for my double Betrayal set up, going for WYSIWYG if at all possible

Going for AL so keeping the door open to expanding into Coils

3x tactical squads, sergeants have power fist

1x headhunter squad, will use combat blades as sheathed power daggers

??? Put together 5 missile launchers and 5 plasmas for a devestator and support squad? Bolter marines to fill it out? Or not?


10x normal termites with power fists and bane bolters + converted plasma blasters

1x Praetor termie, 1x centurion termie(chaplain?)

1x vigilator, 1x morditat

Thoughts? Still need to decide what to do with the remaining 10 marines. Maybe a Seeker squad?

>>44162232
>Bolter marines to fill it out?
You can't get bolter marines in Heavy and Support squads. Everyone needs big gun. I'd bump them up to at least 6 as well.

>10x normal termites with power fists and bane bolters + converted plasma blasters
Get some Lightning claws in here. You've got too many eggs in the I1 basket and some at initiative strike would be useful.

Also you look like you could use some more Heavy AA, a problem I will admit that I too have.

>>44162232
ALWAYS keep track of your allotted and used points in a list even if you plan on changing it at some point. Don't just make notes about it in your head, then come here and post it.

Don't waste the power fists on tac squads. If you're taking Coils of the Hydra, they need to be in Rhinos, yes even if you think you will just take Infiltrate every time you actually will not because flexibility is key with AL, and your opponent will be able to tell anyway because you clearly didn't bring Rhinos for squads that need them.

Neither Dev squads nor Tac Supports can take bolters in 30k. All Marines in the squad have a certain weapon, and except for Sgts, they must ALL take the same weapon.

I'm giving up on the rest to suggest you do a lot more reading of the HH rulebooks, and maybe some research into general 40k gameplay, especially before you spend a lot of money on some plastic soldiers. You made a good choice with the Alpha Legion, but it seems you desperately need to acquaint yourself with the game. Alpha Legion will not be fun or rewarding to play for you otherwise.

>>44162508

I have three rhinos and a land raider. Not much AA there. six man heavy or support squads sounds good

>>44162657


It's not a specific list, it's just what I'm doing with my two betrayal boxes. Which don't have rhinos in them, which is why I didn't mention anything about them.

>>44162508

Also sorry forgot to ask: what's the usual ratio of lightning claws in termies? 2 for every 5 man squad?

>>44162851
I tend to go 3 Claws in a five man squad, but my army is power armor murder central, 2/5 would probably work just as well.

>>44163108

Okay sounds good. Got plenty of lightning claws and haven't assembled my second squad yet.

So has ScanAnon updated with any new progress? Last I saw he said he finished with Isstvan Legions but wasn't uploading because of the supposed redbook update. Now that the update isn't coming and is just a reprint, will he release it soon?

>>44158217
I might be a bit late but i got an email from Forgeworld regarding this ill paste it in for you sir


Hi There Chris,

Thanks for the email, we have currently sold out of the Isstvan campaign- legions army list due to an increase in its popularity over the recent weeks.

Currently the book is being sent to the printers to have another batch produced ready to be back on sale as soon as the work is complete. Currently we don't have an expected time frame for the print run to be completed but we believe it will not be ready for sale this side of Christmas. However, we do hope to have it available again early next year.

For now, we will take your e-mail contact details and send your a message when the book is available to order again.

Thanks again and have a great Christmas!

If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.


Regards,
Forge World

>>44165010
Nice, thanks anon for the info.

Good to know they wont update the red books in the near future, they might do it after the prospero book.

>>44158822
Right? They need major love. I propose a gentlemans FAQ until thign sget updated which might be as soon as Shattered legions or as late as never.

Things like
>AMs dropping 50 points
>Destroyer Jump Packs cost 50 base

Simple stuff like that. I know Justerians need love but I'm not well versed in them.

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I am an on-and-off 40k player considering getting into 30k because everyone around me is playing it and it seems more balanced than 40k. I have been looking at Word Bearers because they are a longtime favorite legion and I love the look of the Gal Vorbak and the Mhara Gal dreadnought.

Looking at the legion special rules, Word Bearers seem to have gotten the short end of the stick. Alpha legion gets infiltrate, scout, or some other really useful USR across the board, Iron hands get -1 to the strength of shots against them, and Imperial Fists get BS 5 bolters. +1d6 drop the highest for leadership tests and some very expensive options for random abilities for units doesn't seem particularly useful compared to those others- am I missing out on something here?

Also, I was looking at Word Bearers and it says they have to take a compulsory Chaplain (or centurion) as an HQ choice in addition to their normal selection. That I am cool with. What I am definitely NOT cool with is being saddled with a dinky little AP 4 power maul as a weapon when I could get an actually good power weapon (literally anything else). Can I model the crozius arcanum as something a little less useless?

>>44165651
Croziums in 30k are power weapons, not mauls. It can be anything.

Also WB Psychic storm is very good. It's on the 40kgimmic spectrum but at least its not longer Lorgar invisistar autowin

>>44165651
>+1d6 drop the highest for leadership tests doesn't seem particularly useful compared to those others- am I missing out on something here?
Nobody has ATSKNF.

How's this Sons of Horus list?

HQ


Legion Praetor with Cataphractii Armour, combi-bolter, chainfist, grenade harness, iron halo and Pride of the Legion for troop vets (170pts)

4-man Legion Terminator Command Squad with Cataphractii armour, combi-bolters, chainfists, legion standard and heavy flamer (265pts)


TROOPS


10-man Legion Veteran Tactical Squad with heavy bolter and suspensor web, flakk missile launcher and suspensor web, legion vexilla, sergeant with power weapon and Sniper (275pts)

10-man Legion Veteran Tactical Squad with heavy bolter and suspensor web, flakk missile launcher and suspensor web, legion vexilla, sergeant with power weapon and Sniper (275pts)

10-man Legion Veteran Tactical Squad with heavy bolter and suspensor web, flakk missile launcher and suspensor web, legion vexilla, sergeant with power weapon and Sniper (275pts)


ELITES


Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought with havoc launcher and twin Kheres-pattern assault cannons (195pts)


FAST ATTACK


Legion Storm Eagle with armoured ceramite and twin linked lascannons (270pts)

10-man Reaver Attack Squad with chainaxes, two flamers and champion with power fist (269)


2000 points total


General idea is the vets camp on objectives and snipe enemy characters with their missile launchers, and anything that's too tough gets fucked by either the Contemptor or the Storm Eagle. The Praetor, his command squad and the Reavers sit tight and cozy in the Storm Eagle, so it can bring them into the fight real fast. Mostly trying to make a fun list using mostly BaC stuff - as it is I'd only have to buy the really pretty stuff, the Storm Eagle and the Reavers.

>>44165651
Also, lots of psykers and access to Daemonology.

Besides that the wording on the extra HQ only makes it seem like the Chaplain can't be your compulsory HQ. Of course you likely still want someone to give you Master of the Legion but considering how good Lorgar is... Or you could, of course, use Erebus. Anyway point being, you can still take an awesome non-compulsory HQ like a Librarian or Master of Signal.

The real issue with Word Bearers, for me, is scoring units. You can't get around taking a lot of tacticals while your more interesting point sinks like Gal Vorbak and Ashen Circle (one of the few assault squads in 30k) can only ever try and deny an objective.

>>44162657
Hi there different anon who is also going with Alpha Legion you seem to know your shit so here is my list would you give it a look good sir

3000pts Age Of Darkness

Coils Of The Hydra

HQ (1x)

Legion Centurion (95pts)
Terminator Armor ,Power Dagger
Power Weapon

Elite (3x)

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts)
Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons

Legion Terminator Squad (735pts)
1x Sergeant
9x Legion terminator
Banestrike Bolter Shells
2xPlasma Blaster
Legions Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield,Auxiliary Drive ,Frag Assault Launchers

Reward Of Treason
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (285pts)
7x Mor Deythan
1x Shade Artificer Armor ,Melta Bomb
7x Sniper Rifle 1x missile Launcher with Suspensor Web
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

Troops (4x)

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

Heavy Support (3x)

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Lords of War

Alpharius (415pts)

(3000pts)

>>44166107
Mor Deythan with snipers, in a rhino? I'd say either kit them out with combi-weapons or thrash the rhino.

Terminator squad in Spartan: Spartan has no fire points so you're not likely to get a lot of use out of all those ranged upgrades. Suggest using (scoring) Lerneans instead, as well as putting a Venom Harness in there.

>>44165951
Go double missile or double HB, don't divide them up.

>>44158571
>>44158668
>>44158709
PLASTIC
MARK
TWO
WHEN?

Literally the only thing I'm crossing my fingers for.

>>44166107
>Legion Centurion (95pts)
>Terminator Armor ,Power Dagger
>Power Weapon
Power Daggers are a specialist weapon, at least give him a Lightning Claw.

>>44166434
10/10

>>44166424
Good advice, thanks mate.

>>44166273
>>44166435

Thanks for the advice list has been revised

3000pts Age Of Darkness

Coils Of The Hydra

HQ (1x)

Legion Centurion (100pts)
Cataphracti Terminator Armor ,Power Dagger
Lightning Claw

Elite (3x)

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts)
Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons

Lernaen Terminator Squad (765pts)
1x Sergeant Master Crafted Weapon Venom Harness
9x Lernaen Terminators
Legions Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield,Auxiliary Drive ,Frag Assault Launchers

Reward Of Treason
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (285pts)
7x Mor Deythan
1x Shade Artificer Armor ,Melta Bomb
7x Sniper Rifle 1x missile Launcher with Suspensor Web

Troops (4x)

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

legion Tactical Squad (235pts)
1x Sergeant
Artificer Armor ,melta Bombs ,Power Dagger
9x Legion Tactical Marine
Legion Vexilla Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier

Heavy Support (3x)

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (195pts)
Armoured Ceramite Lascannons

Lords of War

Alpharius (415pts)

(3000pts)

8x Lernaen not 9x sorry

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What does Lorgar do up in his tower far?

Guys, I need some advice. I'm contemplating having a commission done of some 40k character. The artist is pretty pricey but their work is top notch. I've narrowed my choices down to either
a) Horus Lupercal
b) Nathaniel Garro
c) Malcador the Sigilitte
d) Ahzek Ahriman/Magnus

I realize the selection is varied. Any suggestions?

>>44167222
Ahzek Ahriman is a great character and he would get my vote Malcador would just be an old guy with a staff Horus and Magnus have had plenty of art and are not that interesting no real personal interest in Garro

>>44165010
Thanks Chris,you are doing gods work

even if it is bad news :(

>>44167222
Aliva Sureka reading to a group of children from her dog eared magical story book.

Do ET!

>>44167008
thats a LOT of points on 20 power axe attacks. if you are spending 765 points, throw in a powerfist or 3, and give the champ a chainfist and power dagger. 5 str8 ap 2 armour bane ws 5 master crafted attacks on the charge is fucking nasty. might want to upgrade those power daggers on the sergeants to sword,if you can find the points: the +1 attack and strength is well worth the 5 points

Setting up Maun in a central battlefield position, (to make use of his no-scatter bubble) in cover, along with a 9 man Mor Deythan squad armed with 6 sniper rifles and 3 missile launchers (inc. Shade/sergeant equipped w/sniper rifle, Artificer armour and a meltabomb); yay or nay?

I already have a full 10 man Mor Deythan squad with combi flamers who would be sent upfield for the classic alpha fuck you and that unit strike.

Should I just swap the sniper rifles for combi plas?

>>44161586
Terror assault RoW requires 3 terror squads

Starting an actual 30k army. Combining BaC and some models from DV to make a small Dark angels force. I know the rules aren't out yet so I'll just run them as stubborn or maybe proxy another Legion to test rules until the proper ones hit. Apologies if the formatting is terrible.

HQ 95pts
Legion Centurion, Cataphractii, Thunderhammer 95 points

Troops 525pts
Tactical Squad, 20x Space Marines, Vexilla 260 points

Tactical Squad, 20x Space Marines, Vexilla 260 points

Elites 625pts
Contemptor-Mortis Havoc Launcher, Two Twin-linked Autocannons, 180 points

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery, x3 thud gun 180pts

Terminator Squad x6 Terminators, x6 Thunderhammer, Cataphractii 265 points

Fast Attack 255pts
Outrider Squad 6x Outriders, Melta Bombs, 3x Power Weapon 255 points

>>44167222
Out of those Ahriman is certainly the best character as far as depth of personality goes

>>44167751
I'm not a huge fan of sniper rifles. Seems to me like you'd want to take Mor Deythan in multiples of three, with some kind of transport.

How about putting Maun in your 3rd drop pod (if you are podding at all) to ensure it arrives on turn 2? Or maybe a Darkwing.

>>44167817
You can't go wrong with the usual Dark Angel tropes I guess. Lots of plasma, (jet)bikes, and mortis patterns should do the trick.

>>44167188
cry because he doesn't like chaos

2000 point smurfs
Lord of War
Roboute Guilliman
400 pts
HQ
Chaplain
- Artificer Armour
- Melta Bombs
- Crozius Arcanum
- Bolter
115 pts
Elite
Honoured Telecmarus
255 pts
Troops
x5 Invictarus Suezarian Squad
- x2 Plasma Pistol
230 pts
x5 Catapratti Terminator Squad
- Grenade Harness
- Heavy Flamer
195 pts
x20 Tactical Squad
- Bolter
- Chainsword
- Melta Bombs
275 pts
x10 Tactical Support Squad
- Volkite Calivers
- Melta Bombs
305 pts
Heavy Support
Dredeo Pattern Dreadnought
- Missile Launchers
220 pts
Total: 1995 pts

Guilliman goes with suezarians, but im using his rule to count them as troops rather than command squad

Chaplain charges with 20 man blob

>>44166434
That would be pretty sweet. Maybe GW could release a plastic Prospero box?

Daemon primarchs when?

>>44166107
Typing without punctuation and calling people "good sir" isn't exactly endearing yourself to anyone

>>44168601
Still better than>>44168129

>>44168601
I fail to see the point of this reply. Are you just venting because something bad happened to you IRL or are you just salty by nature ? Whatever it is i hope you can get over it and be happy in the future.

>>44168772
People on /tg/ are anal in general. Don't get swept up in it.

>>44165010
People can say what they want about GW and FW, but their customer service is fucking impeccable. FW always gives speedy responses to the dumbest questions (i actually asked them about how they painted the AL contemptor and they gave me a full run down of colors used and techniques/blends), and GW will straight up replace an order if there's a defect on a single sprue.

>>44168667
Well aren't you a plethora of useful information.

>>44168487

Knight errant Omegon when?

>>44166107
Give the Mor Deythan a different loadout. I have a hard on for plasma funs, but you could also just fill them with combi-plasma and melt an AV13 target in one turn.

Consider Lernaean terminators. They're far too good to ignore, since even with all of their stats and gear they're only three points more expensive than a vanilla terminator. Give them a conversion beamer if you can find the points because a long range S10 blast will come in handy no matter how you deploy them.

I'm not a fan of lascannons on Sicarans since you'll never get to fire all of your weapons at full BS, but it's the only real long range AT you have. Consider scrapping the lascannons, dropping one Sicaran, and bringing some kind of pure AT/AA option in their stead. A HSS would be good, but consider something like a Venator too.

>>44165951
Uh, the Reavers and Termies can't take the same ride sadly. Not a super heavy so only one unit per transport

>>44169042
Could you post the info on that AL contemptor Anon, I'm quite curious how they actually did it.

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>>44169226
1.AIRBRUSH WITH THINNED LEAD BELCHER/ IRON BREAKER (50/50 MIX) 2.AIRBRUSH FROM TOP OF MODEL WITH THINNED RUNFANG STEEL 3.MIX A LITTLE TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE (25/75 MIX) AND AIRBRUSH OVER THE MODEL IN 2 COATS 4.AIRBRUSH ARMOUR PANELS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE. BLENDING FROM MIDDLE OF FIGURE DOWN, SO THE STRONGEST BLUE COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PANNELS 5.AIRBRUSH FROM THE MIDDLE UPWARDS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN 6.USING AN AIRBRUSH BLEND A HIGHLIGHT ON THE HIGHEST PANNELS (HEAD, SHOULDER PADS, TOP OF BACKPACK) WITH RUNEFANG STEEL WITH A TINY AMOUNT OF LOTHERN BLUE, EXTREMELY THINNED DOWN. 7.APPLY THINNED COAT OF TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE OVER THE HIGHLIGHT AND BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA. 8.USING A BLUE GLAZE, DRAG DOWN THE WHOLE MODEL ALLOWING IT TO SETTLE IN THE DEEPEST AREAS. SILVER – BASECOAT WITH LEADBELCHER WASH WITH NULN OIL HIGHLIGHT WITH LEADBELCHER IN STRIKING MOTIONS TO CREATED CHIPPED AND WEATHER APPEARANCE HIGHLIGHT WITH IRONBREAKER.

And the model in question.

>>44169226
It has been well documented on the web for the past couple of years, but it makes people feel special to get it in an email from FW directly

>>44169144
Sicarans are fast vehicles meaning i can move and shoot at full ballistic skill or am i wrong about that ?

>>44169342
You're right, i'm retarded.

>>44169347
Cool that is good to know.I will end up changing my termies to lernaen good call on that i think i am gonna stick with snipers just because i love the way they look more than anything but thanks for the advice anon

>>44169369
Rule of cool, stick with what you like. That's why I always run Exodus and a recon squad.

>>44169409
This. Don't let fluff or rules get in the way for what you will get the most enjoyment out of.

>>44169409
Oh may i ask how you made your Exodus since he does not have an actual model as far as i am aware ?

>>44167222
Go for Ahzek, he needs more good art.

>>44169578
It's a combination of the recon squad marine with the antennae/cloak and the Mk IV techmarine. Entirely too much sculpting and green stuff to give him a target finder servo arm thing and an even fancier sniper rifle. I'd take a photo but i'm at work right now.

>>44169681
Well if you get the opportunity i would love to see a photo sounds awesome

>>44169306
>>44169340
Thank you for the information. Might be useful to have on hand.

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Thinking about getting into 30K with the BAC box (or 2) for myself for christmas.

> Would Minotaurs be a good starting chapter?
> Does anyone have a scan or link to a scan of their rules?

>>44169890
Minotaurs didn't exist in 30k. You have a choice of eighteen Legions, nine loyal and nine rebel.

>>44169890
OP has all the links you need
Minotaurs are very much a post heresy chapter with a mixed geneseed, consider a legion, maybe use their colour scheme if you really wanted to, maybe a pre heresy chapter that they took inspiration from.

>>44169948
Well, he could make up his own legion. That's what the two missing legions is for.

>>44169971
Yeah, but a legion without any special units or rules or rites of war or even a Primarch would be pretty bland.

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>>44169948
>>44169955
My mistake, forgot they didn't exist in 30k.
And since I already play IW in 40K, maybe I'll convert them to 30k and use Minos for 40k.

>>44169971
BL has ruined that.

>>44169948

Yeah but what about he successor legions

>>44168129
I would avoid LoW in 2k or less, simply because after that, you are really playing 1.5k (because you usually need to pull support for the LoW for it to be worthwhile), and that doesn't work too well.
Look at it like this: with the 500 points you put into Guilliman, could you get better shooting, or better tactical use of bodies?

>>44170013
That's assuming FW gives two shits about BL.

Aren't they making a book with rules for legion remnants or something like that? Maybe it'll give you some leeway.

>>44170016
>successor legions

The what now? You mean successor chapters? The ones that came about during the 2nd founding after the Heresy?

>>44170013
Always ignore BL if you like your idea. They have proven time after time that they are not consistent with all sorts of fluff.

>>44170089
Not even in their inconsistency.

>>44170016
There's nothing stopping you from extending the narrative and using a 30k legion against a successor chapter, but it really depends on your opponent. 30k is set around the legions with a plethora of different rules and characters and playstyles, so without proxying one of them you'd be at a major disadvantage with vanilla units and rules.

>>44170118
I realised early on that you're better off sticking with authors rather than characters and series.

>>44170089
That's the problem when you have eighteen thousand different authors with entirely different ideas about the universe and a literal blank slate that has never been written about before. They have no solid reference material regarding characterization, or appearance, or even where they are in the galaxy at any given time. Of course it's going to be a gargantuan clusterfuck.

>>44170192
It's like they should have sat down and decided how they wanted to present the entire thing or something. Or they did just that and decided to just do whatever the fuck they wanted instead.

>>44170192
Which is why the moment they decided to start writing about major characters that everything went to shit.

When they wrote about nobodies in their corners of the Big Galaxy(tm), you could get away with so much more, since they were personal experiences that could always shrug off any inconsistencies with "it's what they believed" or "it's just how it happened that one time". Now that you're applying that same inconsistency to core 40k events and characters with dozens of authors, no wonder it's all terrible bullshit.

>>44170157
I don't even do that. I usually look up individual books that have a premise that I'm interested in. Usually from the older material. I've found that after 2001 BL stuff went down hill for me. 2001 and earlier has some fun reads.

>>44170307
I noticed that BL started going on a steady decline after they decided to focus their books on the special characters which you know they are not gonna kill or develop in any significant way unless they do what they did with WHFP.

>>44170432
Special characters worked early on. We knew Fulgrim survived, but we had no idea how or why or what actually happened to him during the Heresy. The issue is that now Fulgrim is fleshed out, everyone has to work around that. Which is fine for character A and B, but then someone wants to write about C and D and E and needs to reference a dozen previous books to see how they've interacted previously and FUCKING WHY it's such a huge undertaking. There's no way they could have done it justice without a single person having creative oversight.

>>44170473
This is the main reason I fell out with super hero comics. I don't have the invested interest or time to read about all of the characters just to get what's going on.

>>44170473
>Special characters worked early on.

What characters got novels back then? I always thought the novels came first, like with Cain and Eisenhorn.

>>44170541
Ragnar was okay.

>>44170541
I'm referring exclusively to the Horus Heresy series. Most other BL novels, such as Gaunt's Ghosts/Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Cain/Last Chancers/whatever worked just fine because they were self-contained in a ten thousand year timeline. The HH books have a fixed cast interacting with each other in a fixed timeline and that has proven supremely difficult for the authors to work with.

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>>44164703
Last I heard he was working on the mechanicum taghmata book, but it's been a while since I've heard any news of progress on that.

Special characters themselves is not the real problem as much as GW's studios is dominated by the wrong kind of people when it comes to creating something artistic. GW knows that FW is a niche studio and therefore gives them more freedom with their projects.

>“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.” - Rick Priestly

>>44170560
Well, the early novels are pretty old too.

>>44170565
Not to forget that you're giving mythical characters personality. Remember when they showed us what Darth Vader was like as a kid. That made him better, didn't it?

HH should have never been about the primarchs nor the Emperor. It should have been the setting for stories of nobodies. People who operate around the primarchs and the Emperor That way you can still show them doing their stuff, but keep a safe distance to them and chuck any inconsistencies to the protagonist's personal views. Like two people can talk about the same character, but their personal views can paint them very differently.

>>44170712
This would probably have been a better way to tell a story, but people ate up the stories about the primarchs and now we have a daily Russ thread where people fight over their husbandos.

I haven't sat down and actually read any of the HH BL books, but I get the idea that they portray the Emperor as autistic when they want him to be enigmatic and they portray the a lot of the Primarchs as insecure teenagers when they want to create conflict.

That seems like a great way to turn a mythology into something mundane.

>>44169306
Alpha Legion
Airbrush with thinned Tamiya Gunmetal (thin all Tamiya colours with Tamiya X-20A Thinner)
Airbrush from top of model with thinned Tamiya Flat Aluminum
Mix Tamiya Clear Green with Tamiya Clear Blue in 10/90 mix and airbrush over the model in 2 light, thin coats
Airbrush armour panels with Tamiya Clear Blue. Blend from middle of figure down, so the strongest blue colour is at the bottom of the armour panels
Airbrush from the middle upwards with Tamiya Clear Green, so strongest green colour is at the top of the armour panels
Using an airbrush, blend a highlight on the highest panels (head, shoulder pads, top of backpack) with Tamiya Flat Aluminum with a tiny amount of very thinned down Tamiya Sky Blue
Apply thinned coat of Tamiya Clear Blue over the highlight and blend into the surrounding area
Silver: basecoat with Citadel Leadbelcher, highlight with Vallejo Model Air Steel and wash with Citadel Nuln Oil
Chipping: hit edges with Citadel Leadbelcher in striking motions and highlight with Citadel Ironbreaker
Originally he'd said to use Citadel Leadbelcher and Ironbreaker in a 50/50 mix for step 1, but now he says to do all the airbrushing with Tamiya paints and all the brushwork with the Citadel and Vallejo paints. I'm pretty sure he hasn't tried the new FW airbrush paints (FYI, they have clear paints now) but I'm going to get the Tamiya paints I don't already have and see how the Badger Minitaire Ghost Tints compare - I really like the Ghost Tint Blue and Plasma Fluid, which is a nice, vibrant blue-green.

>>44170920
I think it's telling that the FW painters steer clear of most Citadel products.

>>44171051
For airbrushing I'd certainly use something more suited to it.

As for the rest, I think it's clear that FWs painters are more actual "model painters" than gamers painting their models, the techniques used are probably more common in actual model building and painting than in the kind of hobby we have.

>>44171051
Citadel have some interesting special effect paints, though, but they are not the ultimate choice of products like GW likes to market it as.

1d4 says this regarding the Legion Command Squad:

"According to Forgeworld customer service. Running a Primarch allows you to kit these guys however you want. Regardless of the Primarch's gear."

Can anyone elaborate?

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Any bets on what the new gun arm is? Looks like some melta gatling gun.

Because I am so nice.
Here is the newer paint scheme from FW in their BoC set for the AL

Alpha Legion:
Undercoat with Chaos Black spray.
Armour:
Base – Stegadon Scale Green
Layer – Sotek Green
Wash – Drakenhof Nightshade (mixed 1/1 with Lahmian Medium)
Highlight – Temple Guard Blue
Wash – Druchii Violet (mixed 1/1 with Lahmian Medium)
Metal:
Base – Leadbelcher
Wash – Nuln Oil
Layer – Ironbreaker
Highlight – Runefang Steel
Hydra:
Base – Rakarth Flesh
Wash – Agrax Earthshade
Layer – Rakarth Flesh
Highlight – Palid Whych Flesh
Black Trim:
Base – Abaddon Black
Highlight – Dawnstone
Highlight – Administratum Grey

Slightly less of a pain, if you want a simpler scheme.

>>44171157
Multi barrel water cannon

>>44171051
Well it was, the guy who did that scheme used to work for FW. But now he and another guy run MKA painting studio: http://m-k-painting-studio.blogspot.no/

>>44171051
Paints are just tools. Bad artists restrict themselves to only one brand of tool.

>>44171258
Yeah, I remember reading in an old WD that the sculptors used whatever tool they wanted just to get the right shape even if it's a random spoon. They did say that the Citadel sculpting tool was okay, but it was in no way enough to do everything that was required by the artist.

>>44169890
That gif has me laughing uncontrollably but I've got no clue what is going on.

>>44170157
>Love King's Space Wolf books
>Lightner takes over the series
>Instant shit
And that's why I immediately stopped reading Gotrek. This chunk of the company is going to die when Abnett leaves aren't they?

is there a non mega upload for Book 3? The mega iPhone app is just awful and is completely non functional

>>44171324
To me Gotrek and Felix was kinda in a decline as soon as Ulrica joined the party and acted like a general bitch towards Felix for like two books straight. However, it was not the same without King and I dropped the thing after Vampire Slayer.

>>44171354
I'd say go to Kickass Torrents, but if you're trying to get it on a phone, you're SOL.

>>44170815
The HH books (along with some of the videogames) have been my entry into the 40k verse, and while it's really fun and interesting to read about the Primarchs, I think the series would have been better off focusing on the little guys.

Granted, now I want to know about the primarchs and have a hard time sitting down with 'lower scale' stories...

>>44171377

Yeah I need to just remember to transfer it from my computer when I get home.

Never need a rules reference as badly as when I'm bored at work

>>44171398
If your phone supports Battlescribe, most of the rules are available in there for reference.

>>44171398
Which rule do you need?

>>44170560
Ragnar and Gotrek worked because all the books had the same author.

Also, fun fact, the early Gotrek stories were just King putting the characters through his old WHFRP scenarios.

>>44171470
Yeah, I don't think BL understands this or care about the original authors vision.

King original was gonna have Gotrek and Felix go up against Malekith and Nagash. They would later deal with the two BBEG's by tricking them into defeating eachother. This plan was shot down, though.

>>44168601
Who cares at least he is being polite about it
>>44167008
Thank you for the compliment. I think your list is looking bretty good here. I can't say I'm a fan of the Centurion loadout, but it is definitely going to be effective. I assume the Centurion will join the Lernaean in the Spartan, good call. Your anti-tank is well-covered, and the Sicarans will make good AA in a pinch. You've even got enough rending for anti-heavy infantry duty.

Pretty solid m8. Have fun.

>>44171564
Malekith vs Nagash would have been great. Why did End Times have to turn into Justice League Fantasy Battle again?

>>44171717
So GW could have their fantasy version of the Avengers based on what sales department decided would sell better.

HQ
Praetor 182
Tartaros Terminator armour
Paragon Blade
Grenade-Harness
Iron Halo
Combi-Plasma

Command Squad 261
Terminator armour
Plasma Blaster
3 Combi-Plasma's
Additional
2 Powerfists
(Others with Chainswords?)

Elite
Contemptor Dreadnaught 215
TL volkite culverin
Chainfist
Inbuilt Graviton Gun

Troops
Legion Tactical squad 320
Additional 10
Additional close combat weapons
Vexilia
Poweraxe
Artificer armour

Legion Tactical squad 320
Additional 10
Additional close combat weapons
Vexilia
Poweraxe
Artificer armour

Legion Tactical squad 320
Additional 10
Additional close combat weapons
Vexilia
Poweraxe
Artificer armour


Fast Attack
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter 210
Kraken penetrator missiles
Phosphex bomb cluster
Tracking & Servitor

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter 210
Kraken penetrator missiles
Phosphex bomb cluster
Tracking & Servitor
Heavy
Predator 155
Heavy Conversion Beamer
Lascannons

Caestus Assault Ram 305


Spent points 2498

Hvy Conversion beamer's job is mostly to rustle Rapier-Batteries and other things sitting back at home. Really not sure if I should swap out Poweraxes for Chainglaives or even if I dumped to many points into Sargent end of.
Strike-Fighters can dump enough missiles into Typhons and other bullshit to get rid of the problem and the Phosphex is to kill inf but I'm not sure if it actually does enough damage to non-termies to warrant them staying.

>>44171892
I am entirely too confused about which legion this is supposed to be.

>>44171957
He mentions chainglaives, so Night Lords most likely.

So is there any official pack markings for Space Wolves in 30k or do I have to wait for the Prospero book to come out?

>>44171892
Legion?
Rite of War?

>>44171436

Oh I was looking to review Dynats rules. I glanced over them and shrugged but his model is really starting to grow on me

>>44172016
Welcome to waiting.

>>44172016
what prospero book?

>>44171157
That looks fucking cool.

I might have to get me one of them for my Iron Hands.

>>44172071
>>44171957
>>44172015
NL indeed, hence the tac blobs and emphasis on killing staff that upsets blobs. No Rite-of-War

>>44172073
1d4 has a quick write-up.

"An interesting choice that makes Alpha legion units and Dreadnoughts in your opponent's deployment zone gain re-roll on Sweeping advance rolls and +1 on the vehicle damage chart, so take Tank Hunters to get those Pens. He exchanged 1 attack for one more Wound (4) and has Weapon mastery (a-la Horus, Tyberos, and Logan Grimnar) and a Power Sword/Thunder Hammer, along with Venom spheres, Iron Halo, a Phosphex bomb and a Cognis Signum, which ends up being +1BS to a unit because he has no ranged weapons. He has to be the Warlord, and has a unique Warlord trait that allows you to grant one infantry unit the ability to deep strike with re-roll on the scatter."

I'll grab the stats for you because i'm nice and want to see them myself.

>>44172138
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+ 200

Infantry (Character)

Artificer armor, krak grenades, venom spheres, iron halo, thunder hammer, power sword, phosphex bomb, cognis signum

Legiones Astartes (Alpha Legion), Independent Character, Master of the Legion, The Harrowing, Weapon Mastery, Jealous Command, Warlord (Hammerstrike Assault; guaranteed trait, unable to roll for others)

The Harrowing: In enemy deployment zone, all units with AL rule as well as dreads re-roll sweep advances and gain +1 on vehicle damage table

Weapon Mastery: May split attacks between melee weapons at will

Jealous Command: Must be part of a primary detachment, and must be the warlord if Alpharius isn't present

Hammerstrike Assault: One inf unit in the detachment gains deep strike and may re-roll scatter dice

Thunder Hammer is better than the Paragon Blade.

The advantages of the PB over the TH is that it strikes at Initiative and has the potential to ID multi-wound units with a Toughness value greater than 4. This only matters against mechanicus forces, Gal Vorbak and that one T5 Iron Hand.

Striking at initiative might help against a bunch of guys with @I AP2 (smurf elites come to mind) but you're probably going to be drowning in wounds with them anyway.

You're Praetor is usually tough enough to get at least one round of hits in, especially if you have access to EW for commanders or if you get him FNP.

Making someone sweat over every invulnerable save roll is much better IMO than only with a roll of 6.

Anyone have any opinions, mathhammer or general insults? Have I missed anything?

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In pictoral form.

>>44172217
>>44172149

Awesome, thanks. Yeah he seems fun, especially since he lets me deep strike a bih unit of terminators (stolen ones too!) in a Coils list

>>44157805

Remember when Space Hulk came out and it sold out in minutes.

Well every shop I go to Battle At Calth is still on the shelves

Is GW thinking they've made a grave mistake yet?

>>44172170
Paragon Blade is also preferable against anything with 2+ armor and powerfists. For the exact reason you pointed out.

Dynat's setup also helps eliminate the major problem of a Thunder Hammer wasting your precious ability to slaughter dudes before the enemy attacks.

>>44172085
I figured as much. I guess will just give them blank shoulderpads until I know more.

>>44172485
Frankly, Space Hulk sold because nostalgia and the fact that it was limited edition.

>>44172485
>Limited release vs non-limited release

Also my local GW still has Space Hulk on the shelves

>>44172485
I think that exact same thing when I go to any GW store and see shelves packed with Marines. How can people claim Marines sell when the stores are packed with them?

>>44172485
My LGS still has Space Hulks on the shelves, and I know lots of people who bought two or three copies of BaC.

>>44167760
Pretty sure its just two.

>>44172538

>three copies

Jesus. I'm having trouble fitting two into a 2500 point list with transports.

>>44172485
>Is GW thinking they've made a grave mistake yet?
Yeah, they're kicking themselves for not doing this earlier.

is there somewhere I can choose a RoW in Battlescribe?

Also it's letting me take power daggers on sergeants, that's not a bug since sergeants are characters in 30k right?

>>44172538
>>44172524

Space Hulk still on shelves, I find this hard to believe when they were going for $300 unopened on Ebay at one point.

>>44172636
The re-release totally fucked over the secondary market

Theyre like $80 unopened on ebay now

>>44172636
Not the first release, the one from like six months ago

>>44172653
>>44172668

Fair one my mistake, didn't know they did a re-release

>>44172591
Yeah they are characters, just not independent

>>44172591
RoW you choose under the the character with Mater of the Legion.

>>44172217

If I attach a character to that unit that had deep strike, can they deep strike as well? Think that's more of a BRB question but I don't have it available at this moment

>>44172786
No, that guy also needs deepstrike.

>>44172558
Well, maybe he wanted to make a bunch of specialised units to make his army more flexible?

>>44172496
Knew there was something I had overlooked. Not many people in my meta use fist termies.

>>44172850

Okay cool just checking

>>44172862

That's fair. I acknowledge I'm 80% in this because the models are sweet and I just enjoy building and painting them


So what should I do with an AL terminator praetor? 4 termie body guards in a Phobos? (Don't have a proteus yet)

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>>44172538
>Space Hulks on the shelves
Doing it wrong.

>>44171892
Terminator armor always gives power weapons, doesn't it?

>>44170021
Fair nuff, was sorta building to a 3000 point anyways, allied with imperial fists
so thought idd put the whole lot here now its done, avoiding vehicles completely

Primary Detachment: Ultramarines

Lord of War

Roboute Guilliman

400 pts
HQ

Chaplain

Artificer Armour
Melta Bombs
Crozius Arcanum
Plasma Pistol

115 pts
Elite

Honoured Telecmarus

255 pts
Troops

x5 Invictarus Suezarian Squad

x2 Plasma Pistol

230 pts
x5 Catapratti Terminator Squad

Grenade Harness
Heavy Flamer

195 pts
x20 Tactical Squad

Bolter
Chainsword
Melta Bombs

275 pts
x10 Tactical Support Squad

Volkite Calivers
Melta Bombs

305 pts
Fast Attack

x3 Jetbike Squadron

135 pts
Heavy Support

Dredeo Pattern Dreadnought

Missile Launchers

220 pts
Allied Detachment: Imperial Fists

Rite of War: The Stone Gauntlet

HQ

Alexis Polux

165 pts
Elite

Rapier Battery

x2 Laser Destroyers
x1 Graviton Cannon

185 pts
Troops

Phalanx Warder Squad

Melta Bombs

260 pts
Phalanx Warder Squad

Melta Bombs

260 pts
Total: 3000 pts

>>44173298
Yes but you need to specify power weapons now, which I did.

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>>44171147
Normall your stuck matching the Command squads armor with that of the character you take. IE if they have artificer/power armor you get a normal CS, if you have a termi character you get termi armor. The email implies you can choose what armor the squad has if you take them via a primarch instead of being stuck with one armor type.

>>44171157
Heavy 3 twnilinked or heavy 6 phosphex cannon.

But probably a super-melta. Armourbane multimultimelta?

>>44173241
YES!

>>44171157
My guess is heavy 4-6 S8 AP1 Melta, maybe gets hot! and/or Large Blast melta shot.

>>44171157
So apparently it's a melta according to some commission artist that has it.

Really hope its not just "melta" and thus relegating it to 40k only.

so how do I get groups of terminators that are >5 to be useful without getting them to deep strike somehow?

Or can I?

>>44171157

I think the talk was that it was a magna-melta, but a multi-shot Gatling melta would be so much cooler

>>44174845
What Legion are you playing?

Or take a Spartan or Kharybdis.

>>44174845
spartan or caestus. Terminators aren't made for walking, Tyrants and Fulmentarii are the exceptions.

>>44174978

AL. I'm trying not to waste using Infiltrate as Mutable Tactics if I can avoid it. I have plenty of rhinos and a land raider but 10 cataprachtii and a termi Praetor, so I'm figuring what to do with them besides bench 6 of them.

>>44174845
Fortifications with escape hatches, a bunker can help a full ten man squad move up the field (Up to 18'' into no man's land if deployed correctly) without having to buy a land raider.

>>44168772
The point is that slimy and lazy efforts to endear oneself is pretty fucking ugly.

>something bad happened to you IRL
Projecting a little?

>salty by nature
That's a very common fallacy.

>>44170598
Last *I* heard, he's having to work with a very shitty scanner. I'd love to read a full version but I wouldn't blame him for giving up if it's impossible.

>>44171157
Ooh cool, melta's a good bet but some sort of mortar thing is possible.

I'm actually impressed by the quality of the 30k generals. There is so little shitposting compared to most of the 40k threads.

>>44175471
30k is plot and story driven with people usually making fluffy lists and little power gaming. With this comes a certain attitude.

>>44175471
They've improved from the ones we used to have. Don't jinx us.

>>44175506
True. It's almost like a historical wargame.

>>44175509
Sorry.

>>44175471

It's rich people, grognards, idiots who can't spend their money wisely and now the Betrayal newbies.

Not a lot of room for the stupid shit posting (which tends to unironically be done by teenagers, believe it or not) since the barrier to entry is so high

Just don't get any of the rules wrong or the grogs will jump you

>>44174584
Armored ceramite is nowhere near as common as people like to pretend it is.

>>44175014
>>44174978

Spartan sounds pretty neat, I'm flipping through chinamans catalogue but does anyone have the FW-XXX number?

Swear Ive seen it

yea sure people like fluffy lists

but that doesnt mean I'm not going to say that Rotor Cannons are bad and you wasted jewgolds buying them

now if orks got official supported from FW, then roto cannons might be useful

might. and even then theres flamers and autocannons

>>44172538
I can confirm, my FLGS also has like 6 boxes of Space Hulk unopened and intact. They have yet to sell any of them for some inexplicable reason.

>>44175602
I just lurk on all rule posts and figure I will learn a thing or two before my army is ready for the table.

>>44175753
I will just use rotor cannons as a proxy for auto cannons. If my opponent throws a tantrum or whatever I will just play against someone less anal.

>>44167188
Is Lorgar secretly Lex luthor

>>44176046
He might be secretly Alpharius?

>>44176046
>secretly

He's pretty much single-handedly responsible for the entire Horus Heresy, and thus the relentless GRIMDARK ten thousand years later.

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>>44175855
Is somebody saying autocannons can't be miniguns?

It's a bit funny the gun is S3. I thought it was like a gatling heavy stubber, so shouldn't it be S4?

>>44176124
I wont know until I build the unit. I don't really expect it to become an issue so I have no worries.

>>44175678
It's not that every tank has it, its that EVERY IMPORTANT tank/vehicle has it. that one spartan, the deredeo, sicaran, etc.

Everything else melta is overkill.

>>44176280
They all *can* have it, but it's become so ubiquitous that many people don't even bother buying it anymore. Armored ceramite being commonplace means nobody takes melta, which means powergamers stop paying for armored ceramite.

I honestly hope it *is* some sort of melta gatling cannon thing, even if it's never used, because that would at least force people to pay for ceramite just in case.

>>44176280
Yes, they have access to it, but think. When's the last time you actually saw melta in a list? Nobody bothers to take AC any more because the people with 30k armies don't even fucking have models equipped with melta guns. The dumb AC myth persists, so people trim it out of lists to save points because the odds of them actually needing it are slim to none.

In this thread alone we've had nine lists and the closest thing to a melta in any of them is a single fucking Caestus which has no other weapon options.

>>44173536
Wow I never picked up on that before. Im in the assembly stage of about 4500 points of NL, and this kinda screws up my plans.

>>44175283
Isnt that considered a cheesy move though? Ive never heard of anyone doing that in HH.

>>44176586
I took melta...

>>44176650
>Isnt that considered a cheesy move though?

Im not sure why its cheesy, youre not able to assault out of the escape hatch and your squad will be on foot from then on. There are way more dick moves to do in 30k, like invisible jetbikes or spartan assault tanks that are nigh unkillable without haywire THAT CAN ALSO BE MADE INVISIBLE!.

>>44169306
even thinned, I dont put Citadel paints through my airbrushes anymore. its a guaranteed clog on .2 or .25

>>44176652
It isn't in your list, then. Ctrl+f melta gives 38 results and the only ones from the lists are melta bombs. And those don't count in this discussion because they negate AC by default, which is why they're a staple of every list and always have been.

>>44176713
>It isn't in your list, then.

They are, my list just isn't here. I'm just saying I took melta even with the "don't bother with melta" meta.

>>44176805
Well you're smart, then.

>>44176859
Nah, just lazy.

>>44175471
We have been saying it for a while. There's been some rocking from the influx of 40K threads in BaC's wake but we've maintained our order.

>>44175506
All of which is facillitated by the superior game balance of 30K and the lack of wank design.

>>44175509
If you mean the ones in the weeks after BaC, there's nothing to jinx. We've worked hard and laid down firm, reasonable rules. If you mean further back than that, you must be mistaking these threads for another. The attitude's always been great here.

Occassionally we get shitposters like >>44175602, but they're rarely any bother.

>>44176340
I see the melta/armoured ceramite cycle as stabilising in the game, which is a feat of balance unachieved by central Games Workshop. It's a gamble to take none of either, but it's a gamble to talk loads of either as well. That's good design.

>>44177071
I'm here because of BaC. The content was good value, it made me take a look at how 30k is structured and I love what I see. Now I'm building a pretty basic Space Wolves force in preperation for when they get rules.

Having a cool community makes me wanna get into it even more.

>>44177071
>If you mean the ones in the weeks after BaC, there's nothing to jinx. We've worked hard and laid down firm, reasonable rules. If you mean further back than that, you must be mistaking these threads for another. The attitude's always been great here.
I meant the ones few months ago.

>>44177117
As is, I still see a lot of neither. Melta itself is so short ranged compared to a lot of the other fantastic anti-armor options, that even without armored ceramite it's not that dangerous.

>>44177156
Yeah, it's great that a good game is getting fresh blood. I maintained from the first place that the short-term boatrocking of new players was worth working with and would pay off in the long run. Last few threads have been stellar.

>>44177167
I don't really know what to say. Maybe you just stumbled on a few bad eggs in that time?

>>44177224
It's best to drop it now. Too many bad memories.

>>44177202
That's true, and I reckon it's a good thing. Melta is a cheap and situationally very powerful utility, but it's not a mainstay armament and shouldn't feel and play like that on the table. 5th edition 40K had a big problem with armies squeezing as much melta as they could into a force, and the further we are away from asking "why doesn't every army just replace their boltguns with melta?" the better.

Plasma also went through a phase in 3.5th and 4th, but that was more easily resolved by upping the price. Melta is a more complex weapon niche and I'm glad that Forgeworld resolved the issue. All three of the big special weapons (flamer, melta and plasma) have attractive but niche uses in the game.

>>44177224
I must be very unlucky, because when ever I take prolonged interest in a 30k thread, some argument over nothing pops up. Or some asshole starts bitching about how someone else isn't putting in the effort. Or how someone is not being anal/creative enough.

There's shit in every thread.

>>44177232
If it's easier for you, it's for the best.

>>44177297
Yeah, I think it is just you. Don't be so sensitive, and remember the alternative: 40K general. Shitposting, memes, no sense of order, people asking for rules readings. We leave them at the door here.

>>44177311
On a more on topic question, will Doomrider before he became a DP ever show up in anything 30k?

>>44177297
You take the good with the bad and don't let the bad get to you.

>>44177349
I'm not sensitive, I'm just not blind. Sure, not as shit as 40k general, but I would not call it den of brotherly love where everyone's cool and nothing bad ever happens ever.

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Huh, the Ordinatus is actually fewer pieces than I thought it would be.

>>44177071

Warning: Grog alert

>>44177554
I'd rather have grognards in this general than people who can't be bothered to read the 30k rules and need to be spoonfed.

>>44177447
Yeah alot of it taken from the Triaros and Krios.

>>44177596

May your stains never smell and your neckbeard never itch, lord of the old guard

>>44177599
The only part resembling the Triaros/Krios are the treads and tread housings, but those are actually new pieces as well.

>>44177657
Not entirely. They're doubled up and bitten-in by the looks of things. Something I really hope they do to the Krios & Triaros kits so I dont have to heat them the fuck up whenever I wanna build them.

>>44177411
I think you might be a bit cynical, which is understandable.

>>44177596
It's ok, I don't know all the rules by heart either.

>>44177796
It's not about knowing the rules all by heart or not. It's a GW game, no one is able to do that. But at least a grog would be able to open a book and find the answer for themselves rather than shitting up a thread with the same common rules questions.

>>44176650
>>44176691
It's not really cheesy in the overpowered sense, but it is pretty cheesy in the fluffy/metagamey sense. Having your "escape" hatch lead directly towards the front lines sure is convenient.

>>44177297
There's a difference between disagreements and all out flame wars.

>>44177117
But still, you can guarantee that a spartan will have melta and thats the kind of thing you'll be looking to pop with something as expensive as the leviathan.

Lets just hope it's good against termies too as it's some kind of gatling gun.

>>44177888
>open a book

Think you mean "books". I've noticed that some books don't have all the rules and you need to check other books for a certain rule.

And that's assuming the question even has a good answer. I still don't know how a Magos with the Machinator Array behaves regarding firing weapons and repairing rolls (even FW gives it a shrug and a vague hope of an FAQ). Or what exactly are the super-heavies that can be selected as LoW, because I've seen lots of contradicting info.

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I want to... But I shouldn't.. But I want to!

How does HH play? Or should I specify, how do you play it?
Do you build it like you're normal 40k army, not bothering with who or what you face on the battlefield, be it tau, you're own team in the "future" or any other make believes battle, or are you a strict 30k player who only roll out the legion when facing another legion player?
Do you spam as many "must have-meta" units as you possibly can, or do you try to stay fluffy?
Did you pick you're legion because you liked how they looked and how the fluff portrayed them, or did you read the rules first?

I'm curious as I have gnawed at the thought of owning (yet another) army, but I'm tired of my WAAC meta play group and know there are some players here that plays strictly 30k. The plastic are available, and ready for conversion, and frankly there hasn't been a better time to start up a legion!

I'm thorn though. I do like the Iron Warriors. I imagine a small force to start with, about 500-750p. Get the BoC set and some form of FW tank and get rolling! Easy to paint, and quick to start playing.
But I do find the Imperial fist one of the best described fluff vs play style in the books so far.
And on the other hand, the Word Bearers seems pretty fucking fun all together, doing a borderline chaos worship list, with mutation and shit. Summoning daemons and whatnot!
One look at the FW Alpha Legion Contemptor dreadnought... Nuff said!
GHAAA, so many options...

>>44178079
Like I said, they can't be bothered to look up answers to *common rules questions*. Someone the other day asked how Primary Weapons and Armourbane worked when the answer was literally the last sentence in the rulebook regarding Primary Weapons.

If something needs to be FAQ'd by Forge World then great, post your question and ask for an interpretation. Those aren't the types of rules questions I have issue with.

>>44178142
>Someone the other day asked how Primary Weapons and Armourbane worked when the answer was literally the last sentence in the rulebook regarding Primary Weapons.

And the answer is to look at the rulebook under primary weapons. Not to complain about it. Teach a man to fish, etc. Those are not the sort of questions one should get bothered by.

>post your question and ask for an interpretation

I have, but the answers have always varied.

For example, Machinator Array lets a Magos fire one of the arrays weapons on top of another weapon. And Battlesmith rules says that instead of firing "a weapon" he can attempt to repair. So can a Magos exchange firing the array's weapon for repair and fire his own gun? Or exchange firing his own weapon for repair and fire one of the array's weapons?

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Guys, can we like not fight about how chill we are as a group?

>>44178471
Begone little bob, mom and dad are fighting.

>>44178509
Okay.

>>44177896
Yeah it breaks with common sense. I know there are ways to explain it as a tunnel dug for a sneak attack, or perhaps a sewer system on a city table.
But thats not an 'escape hatch'. I dont think that was the intent of the rule, but Id never begrudge anyone for using it. But I would look down on them.

>>44178336
It's varied because there isn't a concrete answer. Discuss it with your opponent.

>>44178471
No, lets go tell people how much better 30k is, then complain about new people wanting to play it.

>>44177357
One can only wish. I was thinking about Doomrider just yesterday funnily enough, I couldn't remember if he was EC or not.

>>44177411
It's been acknowledged that these threads have blips several times and you've questioned those summaries anyway. I think you are being too sensitive if you're not seeing a good attitude and general high standards in these threads.

>>44177596
Don't feed the troll.

>>44177888
No seriously, don't feed the troll.

>>44178142
See, you fed the troll and now look what's happening.

>>44178012
I don't see how this interferes with the point made.

>>44178136
Lurk more and play more. It's as simple as that.

>>44178471
Don't be oversensitive.

Above is a prime example of shit posting.

Quit shit posting

>>44178891

It got the grogs self righteous and spilling their Cheetos as they strain to stand up from their XL sized chairs yell in anger at their monitors

>>44178849
He was an EC.

>>44178930
>>44178891
Now I see why it's such a great community, all opinions and attitudes that don't conform to the norm are ostracized out of it.

HH indeed, mein führer.