Post your favorite armor sets here. Any system, any setting.
>>44064718
Chitin.
Alternatively, hide. I don't care if its functional or smelly or whatever - fur = luxury, warmth and bulk.
Keep trying to find images of rhino hide armor, so far haven't.
>>44064718
Late 15th Italian export plate.
>>44064718
>Post your favorite armor sets here. Any system, any setting.
armored cars, early to mid 20th century earth.
>>44068105
>>44068122
>>44068138
Half Plate
>>44068154
>>44068181
>>44068105
>>44068122
>>44068138
>>44068154
>>44068197
>>44064718
>>44068181
I love modular power armor.
Nothing really quite matches Cataphractii Terminator Armor in terms of style or function. Forge World nailed the design.
Pimping byzantine armor, fit for emperors and veteran badasses.
>>44068725
And a do-not-fuck-with-me-like-the-bear-did bodyguard.
Decorated and elaborate late medieval style full plate that could actually exist as ceremonial armour
>>44068986
Im also a fan of more unconventional armour designs, variety is the spice of life and all.
>>44069012
for sci-fi, I like slimmer power armour that focuses on enhancing strength but has a variety of gadgets and abilities.
>>44067355
What game is this?Some kind of modded Skyrim?
Why do people bitch about studded leather armor? Can't they just accept the name and it's gameplay effects?
>>44069100
No, because it's bullshit, like Ringmail or Trellised Mail. They were all invented by the goddamn Victorians, who are responsible for all the bullshit lies invented about the medieval period, so they could feel better about their entire population shitting themselves to death in the streets.
>>44069100
It's a stupid idea that both never existed and takes attention away from brigandine, which is one of the most based forms of armor out there.
I really dig big thick fur coats with my armor
>>44064718
>studded leather
>splint mail
>banded mail
brigandines confirmed best armor
Studded leather master race reporting in
>>44071077
disgusting
>>44071077
>Studded leather
It never existed, anon. It never existed.
On the one hands, I like practical, rugged stuff, armour that actually does it's job. A little flair is only natural, but leaving your midriff bare for the sake of sex appeal is just asking for a sword in the gut.
That said, as much as I know in my heart that almost all examples of 'leather armour' are scarcely actual armour in any real sense?
I think it still looks fucking classy as fuck. I'm a rogue type, to my bones, so it's all leather belts and hooded capes and sitting in the corner brooding for me.
>>44071388
>that picture
That is absolutely retarded.
>>44071406
Exactly, but for rogues;
Style > Practicality
I mean if you get hit in the first place, you're not a real rogue, but at least you'll leave a sexy corpse.
I personally prefer the swashbuckler / duellist look, but I wouldn't say that is appropriate for a thread on armour.
On a side note, why do I rarely, if ever, see armour with a bevor or falling buffe? Does this go hand in hand with the idea that a hero doesn't need a helmet?
>>44071388
LLLLLLIIIIIIIIIEFELLLLLLLLD!
Blackened armor is pretty sexy.
>>44064718
>>44071042
>the half plate is literally just a breast plate
>>44069100
No. Why would I? There's genuinely no reason to. It's not like it contributes anything new.
>>44071437
>that bevor
I came. Gorgets and bevors are my fetish, it's a shame they aren't depicted in fantasy much.
>>44064718
Glad he ate her armor.
>>44064718
I've always had a set since 'ol nargie's been around
I absolutely love the way scale armor looks. Its got such a muted, but sophisticated appearance. I hate how under used it is in fantasy, despite being such a simple thing.
>>44071502
Agreed.
>>44064718
Supertough skin.
>>44071618
What? If anything it's overused in fantasy.
Honetly, while I love me some real life gothic plate, I must say I am in love with the Berserker Armor.
>>44071618
It's pretty much the least effective form of metal armour and only makes sense in settings with comparatively lame metalworking, if anything it's overused.
>>44072251
I love how it's pretty out there and cool looking, but basically makes sense. It's more or less just gothic plate with maximum edge.
I like sensible armor that looks comfortable enough to be worn for a longer stretch of time, as would suit an adventurer.
>>44072332
Also love the wolf-part of the helmet and how it comes out of the cape part. Man, this fucking armor.
>>44064718
NONE OF YOU FAGS HAVE SPOTTED EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN'S LOGO ON THE SHIELD
P L E B S
>>44071336
>>44071042
it's almost like it's a fantasy or something...
>>44073140
Are you certain you're not missing the point here?
>>44073151
>I'm the one missing the point
yeah, ok, sure
>>44073162
Yeah. You are.
What kind of fantastical benefit does studded leather armour bring?
Dragons? They provide a monster, they look cool, they're a good representation of fantasy. Studded leather armour? Nothing.
>>44073212
more protection than leather!?
just coz it didn't exist doesn't mean it ain't practical brah.
that's kinda the point of fantasy, imagination.
>>44073162
The problem lies in the sources for said armors, and the works that use them as sources continue propagating a debunked and misleading understanding of history.
Also they little to no fucking sense at all.
>>44073212
dude, no need to get your panties in a twist.
>>44073253
Oh no!? the horror!
it's almost like this is fantasy or something
>>44071042
>Implying fantasy has made any attempt at researching historical equipment in order to correct their own tropes, thus limiting their own freedom of creativity
I'm not happy with it, either. I actually talked to somebody I know who's involved in video game design and the conversation went to nordic runes and almost all the basic stuff was new to him.
Game developers don't give a damn about historical accuracy - Which, I admit, they also shouldn't. Their prime job is to make a fun, functioning game. Naming conventions and designs are technically just superficials to make all the numbers appear fancy.
>>44073251
Firstly, yeah, it does mean it's not practical. It would not provide any more protection, because it's attached to leather. Secondly, that exact same niche can be filled by actual, or at least realistic armours.
It's not like studded leather armour is creative. It does not inspire imagination. It does not contribute anything that real life could not. It is a mistake, pure and simple; do not pretend it is anything else.
>>44073258
Then what should I get my panties in a twist over?
This is what I enjoy. This is my hobby. This is what I do with friends. What better thing *is* there to get my panties in a twist over? Is it not the most fitting subject?
What else should I get my panties in a twist over if not what I most enjoy?
>>44073270
That's still not an argument.
You'd have to explain why it being fantasy excuses/encourages it.
>>44073270
If there was a fantasy trope that t-shirts was good armour, would you be all "That's stupid, lets skip that" or would you still be going "lol it's fantasy don't worry?" Because there are two kinds of people, those that accept shit like studded leather and those that don't, the humans.
>>44073280
To be honest, if they do want to involve historical accuracy they just need to contact a history student organization or hire someone for it.
Plenty of people would volunteer for the sake of historical flavor.
>>44073303
You don't need to reply to those. Just as they didn't need to be an obnoxious and assiduous fuckwit in the first place.
>>44073270
Fantasy written by people who don't know what reality is will be very hit and miss. If nothing else, because someone who couldn't bother to do basic research is very likely a shitty writer.
Y'all motherfuckers need some black armor.
>>44073320
Why does the t-60 have handles on the front? that seems kinda pointless....
>>44068986
I'm still angry about how bad that armor looked on player characters.
>>44073393
They're handy.
>>44073403
>>44073393
Someone gets knocked out, you want somethign to grab to haul his ass out of the fire.
And the breastplate is probably pretty heavy, so the maintenance guys appreciate it too.
>>44073419
I guess I hadn't thought much about the guy in power armor getting disabled and not being blown to bits. So thats possible, but Im still not sure.
As for maintenance, I dont think the breastplate could be that heavy. And more likely a machine or robot attaches it anyway.
I spent a good while recently sifting through fantasy character art for my favorite designs and for some reason this one stuck out as one of my favorites. Very much like most types of plate armour as longa s its not too impractical looking.
>>44073396
You don't want to look like some awkward metal chicken?
>>44073445
Power Armour is not invulnerable, what if someone steps on an anti-tank mine or gets their leg melted by a plasma caster.
>>44071502
The sexiest
>>44071042
>Giant-ass Buckler
>>44073251
>just coz it didn't exist doesn't mean it ain't practical brah.
It's probably just a misinterpretation of cuirasses such as this.
The studs are there to hold metal plates on the inside in place.
Useful against cuts and stabs from a rapier and such, not so much against an actual sword or any other 'medieval' weapon in popular fantasy though.
And it really doesn't offer any actual protection. It looks cool, that's about the only reason you would waste your time on studding leather like that.
>>44069100
It is just dumb.
I just change it to the chitin of a huge bug or something, which is both cooler and (despite not existing) plausible than tiny metal studs alone conferring any worthwhile improvement in armor for anything except some kind of post-apocalyptic judo tournament.
>>44073480
Yea I realize that now, but I didn't beforehand. In my mind I was thinking that if they guy in power armor is dead its because he got hit with a missile or a mini-nuke and has no chance of survival. But I suppose its possible that he could get trapped in the armor or get shot in between the plates and lose consciousness.
>>44073304
well yeah... it's fantasy if every t-shirt was impregnated with metal deflecting magic then yeah sure.
>>44073303
just because it's not historically accurate does not invalidate it. like I said, fantasy.
it does offer better protection than standard leather. Admittedly it's not massively significant but if a silk wrap around the waist can offer a +1 then so can some metal parts over leather.
if people are having fun with it and want studded leather in their games then fucking go for it.
just because some sperg lord is getting their autistic panties in a twist because MUH HISTORICAL ACCURACY is no reason to not leave the shit in their games or even enjoy the trope.
and another thing how does that limit imagination!? that's just retardation to the nth degree it's encouraging imagination, think outside the box, don't just copy history.
What the hell is the difference between chainmail and a chain shirt?
>>44073535
Chainmail is someone giving the wrong name to a mail shirt or any other mail armor. That's the only difference.
>>44073535
I guess they're using "chainmail" as a term to denote a chain shirt with long sleeves, as opposed to short ones.
>>44073534
>just because it's not historically accurate does not invalidate it. like I said, fantasy.
It's not historically inaccurate. It's just inaccurate. It could not happen in real life. It does not offer better protection over standard leather.
Like I said, "fantasy" does not excuse anything by itself. You will have to explain how it excuses anything.
And like I said, no one is having fun with studded leather armour.
>>44073534
>well yeah... it's fantasy if every t-shirt was impregnated with metal deflecting magic then yeah sure.
Why does it need magic? Surely it can work well as armour without it. It's fantasy, remember.
>>44073534
>fantasy for the sake of fantasy
Very hackneyed. Lazy. Poor work of imagination. It is a different matter if these are depicted as magical studs, but that's exactly beside the point here because it would be going into detail which you so protest.
Armor is, I imagine in most cases, made through conventional methods. Slamming useless fucking metal studs into it is extra work for decorative purposes. Or maybe whoever made them is the village idiot.
>>44073492
>metal plates
If its an actual brigandine its better than any other form of armour short of a plate cuirass. It will stop normal swords just fine.
>>44073535
chainmail = hauberk, full thing mid-thigh + sleves
chain shirt = haubergeon, just your torso or down to groin (sometimes sleeveless)
In reality little distinction between the two was made and whether a dude wore a hauberk or a haubergeon was mostly down to how much he could afford (shit was expensive as hell) and/or how much he preferred (it was a bit heavy too).
>>44073534
If anything the studs reduce the already crappy protection leather gives.
You have to understand that 'lol fantasy' is not an argument, a world that makes sense is much better than one with stupid non functional gear excused because of dragons and goblins.
>>44073534
Places where studded leather is cool:
>motorcycle clubs
>BDSM clubs
Places where it isn't cool:
>anywhere it is supposed to offer increased protection over regular leather
So in the event your fighter is receiving an erotic spanking from a drow priestess studded leather would be appropriate, while in a fight with the drow priestess you're just going to be sending mixed signals.
>>44064718
>Studded Leather
U wot
And that is clearly not a brigandine.
Really brigandine is the perfect armour for the adventurer.
Its cheaper than plate, easier to repair in the field, gives almost as good protection and is pretty stylish.
>>44069086
Looks like regular Skyrim.
>>44073280
>thus limiting their own freedom of creativity
It absolutely does not. On the contrary, knowing a thing or two about historical arms and armor serves as great inspiration and almost invariably looks cooler than weapons and armor designed without references.
>Game developers don't give a damn about historical accuracy - Which, I admit, they also shouldn't.
They absolutely should. They should also feel free to ignore it for stylistic or technical purposes when appropriate, but they should know what they're doing.
>>44073713
Potentially. It doesn't glisten or gleam, man. Gotta have that glare, mate.
I always liked cheap armour types.
The cheaper the better.
>>44073713
Scale armour is pretty cool too, as a more primitive form of it.
>>44071077
That's fetish gear bro
>>44073812
Yeah, scale is almost the same thing, it just has the metal mounted to the outside rather than the inside and the shape of the scales tends to be more uniform.
>>44073492
nah brah Brigandines are awesome, they can even be used in HMB events like Battle of the Nations.
>>44073828
All studded leather is.
>>44073828
You have to be a fucking deviant to like it.
>>44073665
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the difference between a brigandine jack and a coat of plates?
>>44073858
A brigandine is a bit more sturdy too isn't it? I'd assume it's more resistant to blunt trauma, and easier to move in due to the snug fit and distribution of weight.
>>44073926
You're dealing with something of a complex issue here, because often times the terms brigandine and coat of plates are used interchangeably. Essentially, brigandines are an evolution of the earlier coat of plates. In that vein, they usually tend to have smaller and better-fitted plates with a greater degree of overlap, whereas earlier coat of plates tended to have more uniformly shaped plates that often were arranged side-by-side (not unlike lamellar armour, except sewn in instead of laced together). It's more of a sliding spectrum where at the one end you have the CoP and at the other the brigandine, rather than a single stark delineation between them.
I do enjoy some scale armour.
>>44073981
Ah, so Brigandine is what happens when you upgrade a coat of plates.
Thank you.
Surprised no-one posted this yet, it's the best-looking set.
Shame scale is incredibly weak against attacks from below.
>>44074053
Jokes on you, I was wearing another set underneath my first, upside down!
Almost all of my characters wind up in the same suit of armor eventually.
Brigandine, mail sleeves and fauld/skirt/whatever you want to call it, plate for the arms with a shield pauldron over the left side, and plate from the knees down. Usually with a fur collar, cloak and a spangenhelm that's worn under the cloak's hood and may possibly have a clasp built into the two so it can be held in place.
I'm not sure why, for the longest time it wasn't even intentional. It just feels right for someone who's an adventurer.
>>44074076
HOW COULD ZHIIS HAPPEN
Pre Heresy Armor looks kickass as fuck.
>>44074084
Kinda funny to see a largely coherent set of armour, topped off with a helmet that's maybe seven hundred years out of date.
>>44073704
Maybe the mixed signals is what gives Studded Leather more defense?
I don't care what you guys say, chainmail bikinis are awesome.
>>44074894
That "seam" along the middle triggers my autism something fierce.
>>44071476
>Armour decorated with a guy flipping the horns
Metal as fuck
>>44067591
If by late 15th century Italian plate you mean mid 15th century Italian plate then yes.
>>44071072
>full plate
>but with a brigandine jack
why
>>44076581
It probably wasn't uncommon for men at arms to wear plated limb defenses along with brigandine. In facts, the brigandine was the only game in town between around 1350 and 1400 when solid breastplates started to appear. And even then, the brigandine seems to have stuck around for quite a while after.
>>44064718
Always loves these depictions
>>44073492
>Useful against cuts and stabs from a rapier and such, not so much against an actual sword
Are you retarded.
I like the idea of seeing more 'irregular' armor in fantasy rather than slavishly obeying the mail/scale/lamellar/plate setup. I like those a lot, don't get me wrong, but there were also more unique and odd sorts of attempt at armor in history, let alone it being fantasy.
Not >Studded leather but rather say bone, wood, even if it's high fantasy some kind of stone armor, chitin and so forth.
Never quite got why wooden armor was so rare for the poorer folks historically speaking - it seems perfect to do lamellar, scale, or as a front and back pectoral/apron or even four piece chahar-ai-nei. It was used but only on the real periphery.
What are you favorite systems for handling armor?
>>44071464
not enough pouches
>>44071042
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?274944-Reworked-PHB-armors-(3-5)-PEACH&p=14851132#post14851132
r8 & h8
>>44076882
Oh my god, I didn't even notice that part. Somebody should tell the rodeleros and other soldiers of the early modern that they apparently haven't been using real swords to kill each other.
>>44076909
But if they're naked they're not wearing chainmail bikinis!
>>44076951
does that guy have wings?
>>44077059
Yup.
>>44077092
c-can he fly
>>44068295
except maybe for looking somewhere else than forwards.
>>44077133
If you believe hard enough it can, anon.
If you believe he can do anything.
>>44076581
Slightly cheaper, slightly more flexible, easier to repair in the field.
Even knights who could afford a breastplate would sometimes wear a brigandine with full plate and it was common among men at arms.
>>44077146
what is a HUD?
a flexible neck in that case just adds a point of weakness
>>44073280
Research does not limit freedom of criativity.
In fact, creativity comes from limitations, struggling to find new solutions despite certain no-nos.
>>44067355
>Messes-With-Magic
Gold.
I gotta say a gambesson with jack chains, for the sole fact that by the 1400s, there were so many ways to get past plate armor wearing it had little bearing on the outcome of a good duel. Pic related
>>44077516
So you think because a solid hit that is not blocked can penetrate the weaker parts of plate armour you should wear something that makes you vulnerable to swords, axes and spears as well?
Full armour changes absolutely everything about combat, even if the enemy have maces and warhammers.
>>44077590
And you're ignoring the very important arrows/bolts.
>>44064718
Jesus christ what is the retardation in that image?
>>44076686
Brig armor is actually more durable against concussive force. A Knight wearing brig armor typically would have the leather/thick cloth over the brig, the brig plates themselves, then maille, and finally padded armor.
So a crossbow bolt or lance striking you would have to pierce around four layers of armor, giving the point a lot of time to come to a stop and fail to pierce your skin. IIRC the Brits even did an experiment that shows lances simply cannot pierce coats of plate.
Only real weakness of brig armor that I can remember is that it gets destroyed by shit like a battleaxe.
>>44073393
the same reason as the rings on the shoulders, to help lift the larger parts on/off, same as on t45 + t47
also to provide something for others to grab to pull you to safety
>>44078034
Bruv, in any of the vital spots on a good suit of plate, the sufaces are angled to ensure that arrows and bolts are likely not to penetrate. Take for example the shape of the pig faced bascinet helmet.
>>44073445
where does the robot hold onto then?
recessed mounting points fill up with battlefield dirt quickly
but anyway, they are done by human techs, as shown in the base camp in Operation Anchorage
>>44078463
I think that was his point. He probably meant to say that plate armour offers you a huge boost in survivability against all kinds of missile weapons, in addition to the advantages in melee combat already mentioned in >>44077590
>>44078463
That's my point you retard.
>>44064718
I know this might sound stupid, but thank you so much OP for this picture, I never really bothered to learn about the exact translation for armor models. I usually understand most of it, but again, this is pretty useful on most of them. Fukken saved indeed
>>44073704
you missed:
> Punk & Metal gigs + festivals
> old school gay bars
> the YMCA
> blots
>>44064718
Elite Knight armor, represent
>>44077173
that man at arms either really needs a slash or he's a proper mincing pansy
>>44078789
I really, really like this armor, but what's with the strap over the nose? It looks like a muzzle. I dunno about that.
>>44078877
In case you haven't noticed, it seem to be a human-goat/cow/whatever hybrid. So the strap is probably a nod in that direction.
>>44078894
Well, yeah. I was figuring the horns were draconic. But if that's the case, wouldn't a muzzle be even more ineffectual? Muzzles are made to prevent whatever's wearing it from biting. If it's sapient, it should know not to bite, and if it's part monster then hell, maybe it WANTS to bite something for a good reason!
>>44078959
I think that, when the visor is down, it provides a small layer of leather between the lip of the visor and the bridge of the nose, meaning that taking an elbow to the face is less likely to result in a painful cut across your nose.
And it keeps your helmet slightly more secure too.
>>44078422
I agree that brigs are pretty good. Compared to a solid cuirass it's easier to make and repair and it's more flexible. But it's not more protective, especially against blunt trauma. The larger plates of a solid cuirass are better at spreading out impact than the small plates. The solid. rounded/angles surface is also better at deflecting glancing blows (which is helpful, even against hammers and maces).
Besides, the cuirass would be worn over padding, just as the brig, and would be worn with mail voiders, or even a full haubergon (as shown in the pic).
tl:tdr: Brigandines are good armor, but the solid steel cuirass is still king for sheer protection.
>>44078422
>Jesus christ what is the retardation in that image?
It's the armor illustration from the Pathfinder core rules. So it's the retardation of 3.x given visual form.
>>44078503
But it's a horribly bad translation, even for the ones that weren't just pulled out of someone's ass.
>>44080277
Agreed. For reference:
Padded armor was real, but didn't look (historical padded attached.)
I don't know how practical it is, but I fucking love metal breastplates with less/no armor on the extremities.
>>44080382
Leather armor: The existence of leather armor is not debated, but it's form is. RPG's tend to assume leather armor was cuir bouilli, which is boiled, hardened leather in big plates. There's scant evidence of this, but it's not impossible-after all, the french word cuirass seems to imply leather. However, there is plenty of evidence that leather has been made into thick buff coats, leather scale, and as a top layer for gambesons.
pic: a buff coat
>>44080481
More buff coats, English Civil War armor, and 17th century armor in general please.
>>44080481
Studded Armor: is made the fuck up. It, like many of the armors of medieval fantasy is probably based on a misinterpretation. Studded armor armor is probably based on brigandine, which often had a top layer of leather with rivets in it (to hold the plates)
Chainmail- needs no explanation. It was one of the most widley used armors, both in time and geography, and looked and work pretty how you would expect. Though I would note that the word mail means mesh, and therefor chainmail is a redundant term.
Scale: Also a real armor and also widely used. It tends to be depicted in a more or less accurate way so I won't dwell on it, other than to note that the the term scale-mail should be avoided.
Breastplate: Again, a real armor, more or less as described. It was one of the last "full plate" pieces to become common, and was probably not used alone often in the medieval period. However, it was also the last piece of body armor to be discarded and continued to be used in conjunction with a helmet well into the age of firearms.
pic: a late medieval mail hauberk
>>44080464
Well, it was practical enough for the conquistadors.
>>44080890
And it was still practical enough for WWI, on occasion.
>>44076822
Which game is this?
>>44080673
Splint Mail: Splint armor is not exactly made up; it did exist but seems To have been confined to limbs (though some have reconstructed splints found at Valsgrde to be chest protection). Splint was used for greave and vambrace reinforcement in several cultures, including in Europe, Japan and the middle east. It's a good low tech way to up armor limbs, especially where there is mail or padding to protect flexible parts. I don't subscribe to the idea that it would make good torso armor. I suspect any equivocal pictorial evidence is actually showing lamellar armor. Lamellar is basically rectangles of metal (although leather could be used) that laced together in rows. It's a lot like scale but each piece is laced to other pieces rather than to a backing. It looks more or less like op's pic of splint. Lamellar was another very widely used armor, as it offered good protection but was fairly easy to make as you didn't need to forge big pieces of steel.
pic: Japanese armor with Splinted arm and laeg defenses.
>>44073998
That works well as primitive form of full plate armor with a long coat embbebed, if I'm not mistaken those kinds of robes were later replaced by gambesones because they just weren't as practical
>>44081117
And for reference, lamellar armor. You can see a resemblance to fantasy splint, but this is the real deal.
>>44081099
Diablo II
I really like Breastplate + little/no armor on the extremities, for some reason. Is my love in anyway justified or am I just a loser who values form over function?
>>44078729
>steven universe crossover
>>44081246
Well, given that modern infantry armor follows that description, I'd guess you're not alone.
>>44081171
Banded: Like splint, "banded" armor was a real thing, just not what rpg writers think it is. The banded armor in op's pic does not even resemble any kind of armor- it just looks likes weird clothes. Now, as to historical banded armor. There are several types of armor that could be called "banded," though none were called that in there time. In chronlogical order:
Lorica segmentata: a modern name for the famous signature armor of the roman legions. It's been featured in innumerable movies, although not really in a terribly accurate way. It consisted of overlapping strips of iron around the torso with 2 more sets of bands forming shoulder guards. The whole things was held together by internal strips of leather and buckles. The right arm was sometimes protected with a "manica" constructed in the same manner.
>>44081246
Depending on the current "weight required for significant protection" in the armor-weapons arms race, It's potentially the best way to go. But add a helmet.
>>44081117
Ah I always figured splint mail was just a piss poor translation of lamellar armor that actually existed. Don't know why it wasn't really ever called that.
>>44081273
Huh, didn't even notice till you pointed it out. Thought the character looked a little weird but that's it.
>>44081373
Banded armor could also easily describe the plate and mail armor popular in russia, eurasia and the middle east during the late medieval period. Full plate never caught on in these regions, so the logical step was just to put more metal on your metal. This often took the form of small horizontal bands, but it could also take other forms.
Anime armor. No, not that kind of anime. Anime (implying the armor was animated, because it was so flexible) armor is term for European plate armors composed primarily of small lames (strips) of steel with sliding rivets. By the time plate armor had fully developed in the 15th century, it already often included some parts made of smaller riveted strips. The design was first popular for flexible spaulders, then for tassets. However, some armorers took it all the way and made full suits of highly articulated plates.
>>44081435
>add a helmet
Why would I wear a helmet when I could wear a jaunty cap instead?
>>44071594
evade is a crutch.
>>44081655
He meant wear a helmet with modern armor, because "BOOM headshot" isn't as much fun IRL.
>>44081613
So I'll stop for now, unless someone wants me to keep going. I'll finish up by noting that most of the blame lays on victorian and early modern historians. Too often, such historians assumed that any variance in pictorial representation must indicate some different type of armor, without regard for physical evidence. They essentially made up armors that they though maybe existed, made up names for them and published. Gygax picked up some of these books, slapped it into D&D and now we never be rid of studded leather.
If anyone has any request for pics or info on armor, please just ask. I have loads of it.
Pic: conjectured armor by Charles ffoulkes, now discredited.
From like a billion drawthreads ago.
>>44082063
Quality posts, anon. Would don with confidence,
>>44082063
Do continue.
>>44082215
Sir Fisher, from the Isle of Man?
>made up
The lack of survivable materials doesn't prove or disprove but only sets to conjecture in hypotheticals.
>>44082607
Well if you insist-
Plate armor- Again, a problematic armor type, especially when we have various editions of dungeons and dragons and similar games spreading misinformation. The key thing is that there is no definitive plate armor- just an evolution. I'll break down the history:
Pre-Medival: Plate armor goes all the way back to the bronze age. One of the earliest known armors was the dendra panoply, a bronze suit that offered nearly total protection. It is theorized that it was intended for chariot use. Bronze plate armor continued to be used into the iron age, most famously by the greek hoplites, and later by high ranking romans (though it was largely ceremonial at this point). Although some iron plate existed in this time (such as a cuirass attributed to Phillip II of Macedon), bronze plate was generally eclipsed by the cheaper mail, scale and lamellar while iron plate was probably never widely practical given available technology. As the classical period turned to the dark ages, plate ceased to be produced.
pic: iron cuirass of Philip II
Quick question /tg/
We stopped using armor for a bit when muskets and rifles started to become a thing. What is because of the weapons effectiveness or was there other reasons?
>>44083391
But we didn't. The term bulletproof came from the practice of firing a gun at a breastplate, the dent produced was the proof that the armor would stop a bullet.
>>44083391
To over-simplify a little, yes firearms just got so good that it was impractical to armour against most battlefield weapons.
However, we never totally gave up on body armour. Throughout the ninteenth and twentieth centuries people experimented with breastplates and vests which could stop pistol shots, bayonets and shrapnel. Generally these were so heavy, hot and uncomfortable and offered such limited protection that only a small number of soldiers used them.
>>44080951
hell yeeeeaaaah lobster plate
To elaborate on armour in WWI: it was pretty much useless against the machine guns and rifles of the day; however, it provided excellent protection against shrapnel, which caused the bulk of casualties. Armour was never widely implemented--despite it being proven to massively reduce damage in marketing tests--because pretty much everyone in a position of command in WWI would have been court-martialed for gross negligence and crimes against humanity.
>>44083385
Medival- by the 13th cent, technology (and the atmosphere of constant war) started to push towards plate again. the 13th century saw the rise of surcoats set with large metal plates and well as the increasing prevalence of plated limb defenses. Between 1300 and 1400 limb defense went from a few disconnected plates (such as kneecaps or simple greaves) to connected plates with articulation. We don't have much armor extant from this period, so historians must rely on representations more than anything. Based on available evidence, it appears that there was considerable experimentation with different styles of armoring. The chest was generally armored with a coat of plates, or it's more refined ancestor, the brigandine. Somewhere around the close of the 14th century or the beginning of the 15th solid breastplates were introduced. These were the first sets of "full plate" although they still relied heavily on mail to fill out the gaps between plates.
Pic: the Chursburg harness from northern Italy. It represents the earliest sorts of "full" plate. Note the crude shape of the breastplate and the amount of mail.
>>44083541
For reference, see the German WWI armor in >>44080951
>>44083391
>We stopped using armor for a bit when muskets and rifles started to become a thing.
More like several hundred years after muskets came onto the scene, when they had evolved to be considerably more powerful than the early versions.
>>44083559
>Armour was never widely implemented--despite it being proven to massively reduce damage in marketing tests--because pretty much everyone in a position of command in WWI would have been court-martialed for gross negligence and crimes against humanity.
Huh?
>No Linen armor
It's like you Do want to boil under your metal plates
>>44083559
>>44083625
Uh, I intended to type "should" instead of "would." This has an unfortunate effect on the entire meaning of the sentence.
>>44083625
World War I officers redefined the term "gross incompetence". They tended to do things that resulted in vast numbers of unnecessary casualties on their own side.
>>44083580
Anon, you've been posting quality material from the start. How large is your armour image folder? Would you be willing to upload it?
>>44083651
Linothorax is the best armour to slay Persians in.
Request I had filled a while ago in a drawthread. Italo-Norman knight with looted Byzantine lamellar armor.
>>44083580
Plate armor, Late Medieval: During the 15th century, plate finally became the "Full plate," we imagine on the knights in shining armor of fantasy. The Surcoat formerly covering the armor was generally abandoned. The reliance on mail decreased and was generally relegated to voiders: small patches sewn to the under-padding to protect gaps. Armor production was centered around northern Italy and southern Germany. Each developed a unique style. German armors were close fitted with with ridges and fluting to strengthen the armor, while Italian armor was rounded to encourage deflection. Full harnesses were confined to the profession warriors, but poorer soldiers increasingly had access to to limit plate armors.Note also that solid breastplates allowed for a lance rest to be added to armors, further increasing the effectiveness of the heavy cavalry charge.
pic: A German style "Gothic" armor. See above
( >>44076494) for it's Italian counterpart.
>>44083713
It's like a frock, a deadly martial frock!
>>44083713
The fuck kind of armor did the Persians used?
Wicker clothing?!
>>44083761
Better pic.
>>44083859
>>44083739
>>44082215
AYYYYYYYYYY
>>44083762
>>44083770
Awesome, right??
Anyways, some group of college nerds and their professor reconstructed a linothorax (which is composed of laminated sheets of linen) and tested it. Apparently, it was very effective.
We know very little about it because this armour was commonly used in early to middle Grecian times--since it was made of cloth and glue, they all decayed over the millenia. Alexander the Great was depicted wearing linothorax in that famous mosaic of him (pic related).
This is the study I was talking about:
http://www.uwgb.edu/aldreteg/Linothorax.html
>>44083876
>>44083882
I'm thinking Alexander's armor in that mosaic might be Bronze/Iron scales or plates covered with a linen coating, similar to brigandine. It looks like there's a section of exposed bronze scales across his midsection.
>>44083761
Renaissance Plate Armor: During the Renaissance, technological, political and economic developments continued to push the development of plate armor. Although full suits of mail continued to be worn in the East, Western Europe almost fully converted to plate. This means that there were no several different styles of plate coexisting. Poor folk wore "munition" plate, which were cheaply produced sets of partial armor, often stockpiled by governments. Full plate evolved as well, some continuing along the clean lines of Italian style, but often with careful embossing, gilding and decoration. This was popular in italy and a similar style was produced by the Greewich armory in England. Italians also produced armors "all'antica" (in the fashion of the ancients) with complex roman inspired designs. Germans produced grotesque heavily fluted pieces, continuing the Gothic tradition. It is now called Maximillian armor, after the Emperor who so favored it. Full plate harness of this time were were often made with interchangeable pieces, so that a single suit could be converted from field use to tournament.
Pic: Greenwich armor. Note the clean form contrasted with rich decoration.
>>44084043
Almain rivet, a form of munition plate. This type often had sliding rivets, to help it better fit the wearers.
>>44084057
All"Antica armor. It is made to resemble the muscle cuirass of antiquity. If you are interested in seeing more, I suggest you look up the armorers of the Negroli family. They specialized in embossed mythic figures.
>>44083939
:D
>>44084043
Didn't armor by then also have near or total 100% on even the joints?
>>44083876
Lmao's?
>>44064718
"you do realize that getting full plate for your cat will cost you over 200 gold? "
"but I want Mr. Fluffers to be safe"
>>44084406
"Wait if he gets to put armor on his animal companion then I wanna put armor on my familiar!:
"but... whatever I give up.Do whatever you want!"
>>44073750
why can't this woman afford armpits?
>>44084434
she's not fullplate dress bling that's why
>>44084043
Did Henry VIII ever actually wear that armor? My image of him was always much, much fatter than that. It doesn't really look like that would have fit him, you know?
It IS very pretty, though. Not even gaudy.
>>44084507
Henry VIII was very fit in his youth; he could apparently vault onto a horse wearing full plate. It was only as he grew older that he turned into the fat maniac we all know and love.
>>44084567
See also Robert Baratheon.
>>44084507
Henry VIII liked his jousting in his youth, he didn't become the fat bastard everyone thinks of until later in life.
>>44084126
Armor in the Age of the Firearms: As firearms became more prominent, armor had to become more stronger to counter it. By this point, most armor was case hardened (treated to be harder on the outside than the inside) and the only way to make it tougher was to make it thicker. That had the unfortunate side effect of making it heavier as well. To keep the load bearable, an increasing number of components were scrapped. Horsemen did away with greaves, sabatons and cuisses, substituting these pars for high leather boots and extra long, flexible tassets. This is called three quarter armor. Infantry discarded the legs entirely, favoring a half armor. Practically speaking, most of the infantry in this era fought as either pikemen or musketeers. Musketeers often went without armor at all, except perhaps a leather buff coat. Regular pikemen wore breast and backplates, helmets and tassets. Officers had more complete armor, while the rank and file (who had to march on foot, wearing or carrying their armor) often tried to discard as much as possible. Heavy horse wore 3/4, which was still often able to resist gunfire. Light horse might wear half plate or only a helmet, buffcoat, cuirass along with a gauntlet for the rein hand.
The tactics changed rapidly in this era as firearms continued to evolve, but there general trend was for soldiers to wear less pieces of armor, but for that armor o be thicker. Despite the general perception, guns didn't kill armor outright. The best quality armor of a given time was generally capable of stopping a ball. Beside this, melee weapons, especially the pike, sword and lance, continued to be prevalent. the threat of close combat made armor desirable to those who could afford it, despite it's diminishing effectiveness.
Pic: Italian 3/4 plate, probably for a heavy cavalryman.
>>44084614
And probably a lot of medieval kings really. Start out fit, become fit fat at your zenith, then gradually degrade into ordinary fat toward the sunset of your days.
>>44084507
>>44084567
>>44084623
Henry had lots of armor made for him throughout his life, so we can tell exactly how much fatter here got. This is from when he was still young and fit.
>>44084664
And 20 years later. And I've seen this armor in person. It is quite hefty. The pic does not do it justice.
Left:1514
Right:1548
>>44077516
You're fucking stupid.
>>44083466
Oh, then what would be the common armor that armies would use against muskets and early rifles?
(Building a race who is at this level of tech)
>>44084631
The twilight of armor: Eventually, firearms were so effective that no thickness of armor was sufficient to stop even moderately ranged ball. infantry totally abandoned armor as the pike to shot continued to overwhelmingly favor shot. Armor died out the continent first, though the English maintained wider use (especially with harquebusier, a type of cavalry) through the civil war of 1642 – 1651. After that point the cuirass and the helmet were the only armor used.
pic: English harquebusier armor from the late date of 1686
![Ostrava_of_Boletaria[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F8q6zhP.jpg "Ostrava_of_Boletaria[1].jpg")
>>44064718
Fuck this dark shit, I do OG.
>>44084847
It's worth noting finally, that the helmet and cuirass did fully go away until WWI. It was dropped and occasionally re adapted. They were used extensively in the Napoleonic wars. And even after the the decline of cuirassiers, there were still oddball armors being created in WWI.
That's it for me tonite. If anyone has more questions or requests I'll reply tomorrow (assuming the thread is either still alive, or someone has continued a new thread). I leave you with a picture of french cuirassers, fully armed, on the eve of WWI.
>>44084879
his goofy fantasy sword and shield ruin it, they just contrast to much
>>44084990
Couldn't find a good pic of just the armor.
>>44068181
> No belt
Hope you like having your tabard fly up into your face or get wrapped around your arm
>>44084707
God damn man, cut your fucking carbs.
>>44071437
> Dat latticework on articulation
11/10 would wife/husbando whoever made it
>>44084990
Haven't played it myself, but I'm pretty sure the whole thing is for decorative purposes only, that was the only thing he could get, and he was still able to kill bitches with his skill and strength. Maybe it was enchanted as well, not sure.
>>44071042
What's wrong with splint mail?From a pragmatic/historical standpoint
>>44073744
Glare makes you too easy to spot. Stealth is your ally
>>44073926
Fun fact Vietnam area flack jackets were constructed in a similar way to brigadine
>>44081655
To keep your brains in. Head is an excellent place to strike for in melee
>>44081171
Wait, what's stopping someone from just cutting the strings? Wouldn't the rest below fall to the bottom?
>>44085138
>>44085289
It's the same.
Just regional/periodic variations.
>>44084847
I have never posted on 4chan before but I have to say this is the sexiest armour I have ever seen.
>>44085372
That suit isn't fastened- normally the plates overlap and laces are taut and mostly concealed.
>>44085120
The sword and shield are useless for physical damage/protection but are excellent at magic damage/protection.
Padded. Mostly because it reminds me of pic related. Free movement around the waist and arms, knee guards, shinpads. Anything static is armoured, basically, except the thighs. Which is silly, but whatever.
