What do you think of Betrayal at Calth?
>>44018428
I think it's a huge success
Don't think anyone cares about the game sold with it though
>>44018428
Great starter for people who wanna 40k
shame the Contemptor looked a little lame
>>44018486
Yeah I should probably give it a spin
Has anyone played the game itself? I mean, yeah, it's a great set up for 30k, but the game itself: Is it any good?
>>44018710
Thats the thing
no one knows because everyone bought it for the models
>>44018486
>>44018710
the game is great. alot of fun if you dont want to play a full game of 30k or 40k but still want to get your fix in.
>>44018428
Damn good value for the money. Your already getting 30 legion tacs and more for only 30 bucks more than what 3 boxes of regular tacs would cost.
I'm sure they pissed off plenty of the dudes who already had Horus Heresy armies. They probably paid through nose to buy everything from Forge World, then turned around and see GW come out with this to lower the entry price, by like half.
The four or five FLGS can't keep it in stock. I was barely lucky enough to pre-order the last two boxes from my closest FLGS. I expect that we're going to see a ton of 30k players and games in the coming months.
It's finally a chance to get into 30k for people who don't want to pay out the nose at Forge World's prices and don't want to go the recast route (either due to concerns over quality or legality).
It's a shame the Centurion (Chaplain) and Praetor are snapfit but I think the arms are far enough from the body that it's possible to do a little remodeling in terms of weapons. There was a guy in the WIP thread that added a jetpack to his Centurion and it looks pretty good!
Other downside is the Contemptor has a super static pose. You can saw off the legs and repose it a little, but the knee joint being locked and near-impossible to change in angle is the real killer.
Marines and Terminators are full kits with lots of bits and you can assemble them in a lot of different ways. Downside is Terminators don't come with TH+SS for the squad so I will have to scrounge for bits to make my Imperial Fisty dreams come true.
All in all I feel like I got my money's worth for $160~ CAD (slight discount for preordering).
>>44018808
FW models look better, though. YMMV
>>44018710
The game is good.
Even if you bought the box for the models (like i did) you surely can find a friend with at least 10 marines and play it.
It's fun.
>>44019743
The box comes with everything you need, why do you need a friend with more models?
Bc you painted them all the same? mark the bases (you can even do something as simple as put a coin on the bases while you play) if you're incapable of remembering which 5-10 models belong to your opponent.
>>44019743
wtf is wrong with you
>>44018428
It's great and I'm looking forward to the sequelProspero Burns
>>44021334
>>44022407
Because if you bought the box for the models, you have them of your colours, and need a friend with a different one.
C'mon guys, it's not that hard.
>>44019616
yeah they do. But for the poorer man who wants some MK IV suits the box is a godsend
GW attempting to cash in at the awesome work that FW is doing minus all the passion. Warhammer is ass right now. Even 8th edition fantasy wasn't that great. FW though is trying to get the best out of Warhammer by really concentrating on the good aspects that are still left.
>>44018428
>GW retail: 40,000 keks
>eBay new: US$99
>ragetears of the Forgefags: Priceless.
>>44026396
>not making a Siege of Terra Fists, Scars or BA from regular plastic Marines (when Mk. 7 was put into use)
>not using regular Mars pattern Rhinos, Mk. V casteferrum dreads, indomitus terminators and post Mk. IIb Phobos Land Raiders (aka. regular plastic kits), which all were used during the Heresy
I have purchased 2 boxes and have yet to play the game.
But when I do it will be full of sweet Alpha Legion on Alpha Legion action. In the blazing fires of the distant future there is only civil war and the laughter of Alpharius.
>>44025922
BaC is done by the FW team, the same team thats now going to be reviving the specialist games.
So, if I buy one set, would I have enough models to play one game of Betrayal at Calth?
>>44018428
got all the models for 99 USD on ebay. I'm pretty satisfied
>>44029712
Yes.
>>44026847
Yeah this is the thing, there are so many retards who think 30k is super-expensive when most of it is stuff people already have or can get cheap second-hand.
Like I have a couple Forgeworld models sure, but I've just supplemented it with 40k stuff for the most part unless it's something I really like. Betrayal at Calth is great for bolstering any force at a reasonable price, and it's a better Space Marine starter for 40k than any of the other shitty kits GW put out.
>>44026847
See, mkVII is easily my favourite armour set. Sure, IV is nifty and III looks brutal but I find 7 to simply be more iconic and exudes 'space marine' to me
>>44035081
>VII
>not VI
Look at this 2nd ed noob, I bet you don't even like 80s 40k models.
>>44036673
beakies are nice too, but also a pain to get a hold of
>>44018710
Board game fag here, you guys can come to the general if you actually want to get into board games >>43992392 (that's the general)
Now, obviously there are many conflicting opinions but imo BaC is a great board game, it has the caveat that it's a dice game, so if you don't like rng then you won't like the game, but the head-to-head rolls are very exciting, the command cards have great flavor-text, the command cards change up the turns dramatically which is balanced by them being infrequent and niche.
It plays fast, the rolling is exciting, the custom dice look very nice.
If you don't know what space marines are, or the horus heresy you probably won't like it, but I do enjoy 40k (less so these days), and I love board gaming, so if it was just a board game, $40 box, no fancy multi-part minis then yeah I'd buy it.
Instead it's just $150 for 30 marines and a dreadnought which is, eh? It's fine I guess? It's kind of a deal, kind of not really a deal.
SHEEEEEEET I bought two from Mr. Strikeforce, $85 a pop. Trying to get his last one from him now.
>>44036968
who?
>>44036968
I thought he stopped doing mail order?
>>44025718
I spoke to my friend and manager at the local gw about that, I want to use my new manz for a heresy era Night Lords army, but I still want to be able to differentiate them for the force lists for the board game, he suggested painting them up like I would for how I planned my army but suggested that I paint shoulder trims, squad markings, and other ancillary details in the red and blue of the Word Bearers and Ultramarines.
Maybe even use the the transfers as company emblems to further denote who's supposed to be what when it comes time to set up the boardgame itself.
Might be an idea worth pursuing for others who want to do both a playable force and play the boardgame.
>>44037313
I wouldn't even go that far, the difference can be minor. You only need to differentiate 10 marines, so do something like paint the white circular 'skull' onto the helmets of just those ones. They only need one thing to set them apart.
You know I don't understand one thing..
Can't you already play 30k with regular 40k marines? The only visual difference is the helmet and stupid studs on the shoulder pad and one leg.
I guess you might WANT to have FW models but regular marines is a good enough entry into 30k. I dont get the hype
>>44025842
It would have been nice if they mixed the MKs a little. ;_;
>>44036809
The Dreadnought really kills it for me.
>>44033238
>Space Marine starter for 40k
Is it? I think the DV kit is perfectly usable. With Chaos bits traded for a second helping of DA, you're left with 20 tacticals, 10 terminators, 6 bikes and 4 characters. Where as the BaC kit comes with 30 tacticals, 5 terminators, 2 characters and a contemptor.
>>44037773
Except they're all snap-fit with a Dark Angels theme, and you have to go through the effort of finding someone to trade with.
There's also stuff like the Space Wolves vs Orks and Blood Angels vs Tyranids - you're basically getting a bunch of weird splits for armies that you probably don't want.
None of these are good army-specific starters, the battleforces are utterly shit value now, etc etc etc... I could go on for ages but basically for generic marines Calth is the best shit ever. They're not loaded with iconography and purity seals so they work great as renegades or traitors too.
It's basically what every battleforce/starter should be.
>>44037627
I supposed you could if your opponent isn't a dick about it.
But then you could apply that logic to any tabletop.
>>44038384
>they're all snap-fit
Depends on what you want.
>have to go through the effort of finding someone to trade with
I've bought a load of starter sets over the years for all sorts of projects and have never failed to find someone willing to trade starter set halves. Of course it depends on, but that's just my experience.
>It's basically what every battleforce/starter should be.
A bunch of generic Marines in-a-box?
>>44038503
>A bunch of generic Marines in-a-box?
Yes? molded on details and snap-fit (that is, duplicated pose) miniatures are not an enticing selling point for most players.
>>44038560
Neither is Marines.
>>44038503
I didn't say every starter should be marines, you nimwit - they should be generic and cheap models, better still if they're compatible with other kits so you can mix and match to get the look you're going for. Dark Vengeance is neither unless you put in an exorbitant amount of effort. Calth marines on the other hand are mostly compatible with the rest of the Space Marine range + Chaos Raptors.
The old battleforces sort of filled did that, but they've been discontinued.
>>44038980
>I didn't say every starter should be marines
Can you name a starter set that didn't include Marines? Because if you're advocating for BaC style starter set where you just get generic dudes that are not tied to a faction, then you'll be getting generic Marines.
So does anyone want to fill me in on what you actually do in the game?
Ultras vs. Word fags but what are the objectives?
>>44038412
Well not exactly. Proxying marines with elves is not the same as proxying 30k marines with 40k marines. The later are the same fucking thing
>>44037627
Completely different marks of armour is the main issue. Sure you can do it, but it's anachronistic and 30k is mostly played by older blokes who really care about the fluff.
>>44037313
painting base rims out of the question?
>>44039445
Fighting in the underground archeologies of Calth.
First mission is a rush to get inside the blast doors before they close, because the sun is dying and killing everything with radiation and heat
>>44040637
Is there any scans of the rules?
>>44040202
Define older. Sounds to me it's not the age that's a problem, it's the attitude.
>>44041478
Older blokes tend to have the attitude.
>>44041478
Most people who play 30k do it because it's different stuff than 40k
Sure mars pattern rhinos were in service, but they'll still whine if you use them.
>>44041434
yes in the 40k mega rules archive
>>44038665
marines sell more models and make more money than all of warmahordes and malifaux combined man
Marines outsell everything, people love marines
>>44038980
I agree with you but the big problem is you can't shove kits like the BaC kits into starter boxes, for one there is nothing starter about them, they're full marines with billions of bits.
I do like how it's all one army though, it suffers all of GW's box sets though where it has shit you don't actually want (dreadnought, terminators) and with the price of this one it's not actually different from just buying three boxes of marines.
>>44042085
>marines sell more models and make more money than all of warmahordes and malifaux combined man
Would love to see those number.
>>44042161
Dude, PP has almost gone out of business multiple times in recent history, they're not a solid or durable company.
GW has been selling marines for fucking 35 years, they have no debts and are making profit yearly. Space marines strong.
>>44042241
Still not seeing any numbers.
>>44042263
Well how's this, it's on Anon 1 to prove that people don't like fucking space marines, since he started this pedantic shit fest, and you can go fuck yourself for being an asshole because you don't believe that PP is a fucking ghost/garbage company.
Go check the archives there are some pretty funny stories of PP staff being told they might not have jobs and then the manager crying.
>>44040202
>but it's anachronistic
Not really, Mk VII is late heresy and BA, WS, IF and the traitor legions were already equipped with it after the schism on Mars. The only armor mark thats not from the heresy is 8, and thats just a gorget.
That YOU want your marines too look "older" is your decision, others may like GW plastic over FW resin.
>>44042354
You saying all the people who say they don't like Marines or the people who don't have Marine armies are lying to their teeth?
A company doing badly isn't always the result of bad sales. They can sell just fine, but if they spend more money than they are making or manege their business poorly, they can be in trouble as well.
>>44042402
Correct, late heresy. As in 6 to 7 years after Calth.
>>44042402
>just a gorget
Wrong. It also comes with a slightly different helmet design to fit the gorget, the vambraces extend over the back of the hand to protect the wrist joint and there's a large disk-like part at the base of the greaves on the inside.
>>44042417
No I'm saying that "most people don't like marines" since fucking half of 40k is marines, and if it wasn't selling they would can it. They canned fantasy and they absolutely would can marines if marines didn't sell.
They have multiple kits which are the same except for the marine shoulder pads. They sell 4 different codices exclusively for marines, 5 if you count KDK (but I don't, that's more bloodletters than 3+ armour).
Marines get love because they get sales.
Source, we're talking about a box set which is almost nothing but marines
>>44042511
>No I'm saying that "most people don't like marines"
Where did I say that?
>half of 40k is marines
Played armies or armies that have lists? Out of the 23 factions listed on GW site only 7 are Marines.
>if it wasn't selling they would can it
When did I say Marines didn't sell? Dude, I'm the one who said that every starter has Marines and you'll not gonna get a starter without Marines.
All I'm asking for is some numbers that Marines make more money than Warmahordes and Malifaux combined.
>>44042891
unfortunately PP is a privately listed company so PP doesn't actually have numbers, however PP is extremely small compared to GW (who is small compared to actual companies) and they have had a couple scares in the recent years where they almost went out of business.
They've got a pretty exhaustive north american distribution network which rivals GW's however their footprint at large scale tournaments is definitely smaller (yeah it's a tourney game, with a tourney scene but 40k tourneys still have more entrants and more frequent tourneys).
When it comes to toy soldiers GW is the king still
>>44042995
I'm sure it is, but like I said, company can sell 10 times more than GW and still go under.
I'm just questioning the claims, because they sound like the ones people make about Marines being the only GW minis that make money and they're paying for all the non-Marine stuff.
>>44018428
Could you do a huge version of the board game?
Like, if you got your hands on two sets and did a box vs box (so each side has a dread and termies) would it work or no?
And does it have to be each exact unit? On top of the two sets I got the BA half of the Baal set, which comes with marines, a dread, and five termies
>>44046270
As far as I recall, none of the missions bar the WD exclusive one make use of more than one box. Of course you could always try homebrewing something.
The models you use actually don't matter as long as it's clear to both sides what each model represents rules wise and what they're equipped with. Of course you may have problems trying to use bases bigger than those included with the game.
>>44043182
Oh no, marines don't carry everything, they definitely carried fantasy hence why fantasy got the axe.
All of 40k is "popular enough" with things like new codexes reviving problem areas (dark eldar didn't exist in north america before their new codex and now that their codex is trash they've gone back to not existing)
Marines are the only constant, with Dark Angels and Black Templars being played before the new codexes pandered to them, and still being played after.
>>44046797
Marines are likely the most popular 40k army though, there is a reason why they have essentially four codices and get specific kits and bits. Not to mention HH doing quite well and for the most part focusing entirely on Marines.
>>44042484
>>44046797
>they definitely carried fantasy hence why fantasy got the axe
Based on no evidence what so ever.
>>44047102
>entirely on Marines
Well, you know, apart from SA, Militia, Admech, etc.
>>44047866
Even with Custodes and Sisters of Silence that is still only five armies out of twenty four. The other nineteen of which are either Legions or based on Marines.
>>44047803
I think the Mk. 8 also got those terminator style hip plates. The Sternguard kit comes with Mk. 8 legs (identified by the discs on the inside of the greaves) and they're the only legs with hip plates. Unfortunately the arms don't have the extended vambraces, though a pair of Mk. 4 arms should fix that.
>>44047912
Still more than just Marines.
Even Admech is getting expanded from what I hear. And people been telling me there's a 3rd Army list coming to bridge the gap between the SA and Militia.
I find it a bit annoying.
For me, the main draw to HH was how much cooler all the pre heresy stuff looks, and for some reason they pick the main armour mark that most resembles MKVII and 40k marines.
If it was MKII or MKIII I'd buy that shit straight up.
It's probably more because I want to run iron hands though who look way better in MKII.
I'll probably still buy it anyway though and just convert it to look more iron-handish because I'm too poor for FW..
>>44048072
>mk IV
>resembles mk VII the most
Have you looked at, say, Mk. V or VI?
>>44018428
best idea they've had in years
>>44018529
The Contemptor is pretty bad. I bought two BaC boxes, I reposed one of themr, and used a FW MM arm I had. It looks pretty cool now. I dont think I can bring myself to use the other one though.
The Command sprue is not that great either. Snap fit and very recognizable. Im gonna sell both of those as well.
>>44047944
They're called faulds anon.
>>44018710
Eh its ok, pretty shallow. You have to be pretty into the Word Bearers/Ultramarines fluff to get into it. If you like that bit of lore than you'll love the tiles and the theme.
Id have to paint the models as WB/UM to get into it, and Im not gonna do that.
>>44042161
Im a pretty cynical guy who has no love for GW, but I'm willing to bet that just Codex: Space Marine kits sell 10x as much as Malifaux and WarmaHordes combined.
>>44048141
Yeah but I just associate MK V with CSM and MK VI with Ravenguard so they kind of get excluded.
