Why aren't combi weapons standard issue? Never actually read a lore reason why
>>44002759
Expensive and rare.
>>44002759
You have to earn it.
>>44002783
And this. And probably putting a flamer on a Bolter has something to do with the machine spirits. They probably have to be of similar temperament to be stuck together. Otherwise you're shooting a gun that has two machine spirits that hate each other.
>>44002759
10 guys with bolters and 10 shots worth of flamer is usually worse than 9 guys with bolters and 1 guy with 100 shots worth of flamer
>>44002759
Same reason every soldier doesn't get a rifle with an underslung grenade launcher or shotgun.
>>44002759
Because the technology involved in routing bolter rounds through a stock and up into the actual firing chamber is expensive.
>>44002759
I'll be honest that looks dangerous as hell.
Wouldn't being that close in proximity to the plasma barrel cook off rounds in the chamber?
Or something horrible like that? It just doesn't look safe.
>>44002759
A. They're expensive and highly specific for missions.and difficult to maintain, as you've essentially miniaturized a special weapon and integrated it into a different weapon. It's not impossible by any standard, but it is more moving parts on a weapon that is going to be abused as all get out.
B. They're highly mission-specific. If you're going on a mission where you will realistically need a melta-gun or flamer, it's always better to take the standard one, as it has a much larger ammunition capacity and is marginally more powerful, whereas a combi-bolter fulfills both roles of bolter and special weapon, but not quite as effectively as if they were taken individually. The only time it'll realistically be better to take a combi is if you know you'll need a special weapon, but you will only need it once or twice, and you'll still need a longer-ranged weapon to fill the gap.
C. I still get mad at the absolute ridiculousness of this design. I get that "hurr hurr there is no logic in 40K" meme, but this is just ridiculous. Anybody with even a basic knowledge of how a gun works would see the glaring design issues with it.
>>44002961
I think /k/ made some edits to it. Or that there is a pic that makes it look less stupid.
>>44002759 (OP)
That's a really tiny purity seal.
>>44002922
There's nothing inherently safe about plasma, I think, a fair amount of it seems to be a crapshoot. I mean, fluffwise, you just don't shoot too much or else it gets hot, which means stuff venting and burning you and all kinds of bad stuff.
>>44002759
it was bothering me way too much so i just did a quick edit
>>44002993
>>44003038
>>44003051
It still can't vent heat from that damn plasma thing. Maybe just chop it off and replace it with something useful.
>>44003038
I like the bull pup design when it isn't retarded.
>>44003051
That's the one.
>>44003038
Ugh thank you.
>>44002759
The boltshell teleporter is too expensive...
>>44002888
Because they're heavy as fuck and screw up the weapon's balance in the case of the grenade launcher, and because of the same reasons plus that they're kinda shit in the case of the masterkey?
>>44002759
The mechanicus doesn't build a bolter and then straps another oneshot weapon on it. It builds a complete combiweapon from the beginning. As the amount of "just bolter"-facilities are much, much larger, combiweapons are rare and thus only handed out to distinguished individuals.
>>44003669
>no purity seals
Disgusting.
>>44002961
Why not miniturize the bolter part then? It's not like bolters are super complex. We sort of do this nowadays, with coaxial guns on tanks.
>>44002759
Complexity, expense, training time, keeping the various ammunitions in supply, etc.
>>44003942
But it does have one anon
>>44004049
Coaxial guns aren't miniaturized versions.
>>44004049
Lots of representations have combi-weapons with a bolt pistol sized bolter component.
>>44002759
>Never actually read a lore reason why
It says why right in the fucking marine codex and big rulebook right under the fucking Combi-Weapon rule. Because it takes an expert artisan to carefully craft even one.
>>44002759
It's only one shot anyway. It's not often that you're going to need a single spray of the flamer or a blast of a plasmagun, especially when usually there's a specialist in the squad with a special or heavy weapon.
Would you want to give that single shot to a line marine who won't know to use it wisely, or a sergeant who has the weight of experience that will tell him not only when the shot a good idea, but necessary enough to use up?
>>44002909
Ma nigga.
The afterthought design of some of the combiweapon sculpts is fucking stupid.
>>44002909
>>44006422
LSD AND FEED DESIGN BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED
>>44003461
Yes, basically.
Having an assault rifle that can double as a flamethrower sounds kinda cool if you're a moron, but there's a reason that literally nobody in the history of the entire world has bothered.
Similarly, with the plasma/bolter weapon, there needs to be a compelling reason not to just include a dedicated heavy fire support guy in a squad. If there's heavy armored resistance, you bring actual heavy weapons, not ten dudes with mediocre AT weaponry attached to their anti-personnel weaponry.
>>44003051
That was an interesting thread.
>>44006682
>literally nobody in the history of the entire world has bothered
This is the part where I cough politely and point you towards the offended looking man behind you who overheard this nonsense.
>>44003038
>>44003101
Unfortunately this still wouldn't work I don't think. It looks like every time you eject the mag it's going to get stuck on the butt of the handgrip.
I'm not /k/ though so I might be wrong.
>>44008275
I doubt it's continuous curve, so it'll just fall straight out.
>>44002759
Because if that Plasma Gun goes boom, do you really want it to go boom right next to a bunch of boltgun rounds underneath your arm, that will also go boom?
A weapon that is actually two weapons requires twice as much routine maintenance to keep it operational, it has twice as many things that can go wrong with it, and it probably weighs nearly the same as the combined weight of the individual weapons that it's a bad version of anyway.
>>44002759
How is that thing supposed to fucking work?
>>44003051
The 6th modification is the best in that it still fits the 40k aesthetic while looking a lot more practical.
>>44002961
The problem with the picture is that the artist just drew Azrael's combi-weapon while a single look at the model shows that it looks like that as a sculpting shortcut and should look more like >>44003038.
Fortunately other artists don't see the need to be idiots.
>>44010794
I love that picture for the sole reason that the bolter mag shows the spring that pushes the shells into place. Fucking details man. Fucking details.
>>44012703
>Fucking details man. Fucking details.
On which subject, am I the only one who was bothered by the rimmed bolter shells on the BaC box?
>>44002783
Nigga, it's two guns welded together
>>44014691
no its a single gun, with two firing mechanism built into it.
>>44010794
man i usually hate monk robe on DA but fucking love the chest showing one
>>44010794
why is Azrael's sword covered in fresh blood. Is Kharn's armor made of blood?
>>44016906
It's from a guy Azrael sworded earlier in this battle? It's fair to assume that they didn't randomly bump into each others while walking alone on a remote planet.
>>44004105
But it doesn't have enough!
>>44016977
>they didn't randomly bump into each others while walking alone on a remote planet.
That said, it is a hilarious mental image.
>"Oh hi, Kharn."
>"Sup."
>"You know, fighting for the Emperor, hunting Fallen, the usual. You?"
>"Betraying, offering skulls to Khorne, trying to beat my daily killcount record. The daily grind. Wanna fight?"
>"FUCK YES"
>>44016977
How does his sword cut through the upper parts of Kharns helmet, yet still manage to cut a skull that sits about 10cm underneath the point where he actually cut with his sword?
>>44002759
I remember some miniatures having not retarded combis, but those seemingly died out during 4th edition.
What do the plastic sternguard one looks like?
>>44018654
OP's combi is from a DA special character.
A while back I compiled a collection of combi-weapons available, though with the release of current SM plastics and FW's HH, we have a much wider array of them.
>>44012703
I like the chains wrapped around the bolter too, like kharn tried to do some GET OVER HERE shit against him.
>>44002759
Techmarines are stingy assholes.
>>44018685
>no kombi-weapons
yer a git
>>44018767
Compile your own list, if you don't like it. It's just that nobody gives a shit about kombi-weapons, because all you need is dakka, bits and glue.
>>44018561
>>44010794
I was thinking the sane thing. What has been cut by his sword and where it is currently positioned dont seem right to me.
Its like its showing Azrael right after he swung but Kharn about a second later after hes reacted and his body has twisted from the force of the blow. It bothers me probably more than it should.
