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Dawn of the 34th day, 48 hours remain edition.
Dropfleet Commander is a 1:15,000 scale orbital wargame developed by Hawk Wargames, creators of Dropzone Commander.
Dropfleet Commander's mechanics include submarine-like "orbital layers" in which ships can move into and out of, as well as a unique weapon range system which is entirely dynamic, and dependent on both the attacking and target ship.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander/
>demo videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDc-iWib48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5xe3f5hyGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3e_RNSSST0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaTmNxQ_FM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92GeJ5uf6Hc
As of now, we are less than 25k British Pounds away from 500k, and if we hit that ALL backers will receive four free frigate sprues, one per faction, each of which contains four frigates.
In addition, all backers are also getting four free cruisers, one per faction, and high rank backers are getting four free frigate sprues, one per faction.
Why would anyone ever buy an ad on 4chan when they can just post for free?
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>>43939122
Oy vey, you caught me!
City Sector maker images released today.
>>43939156
I just want to see a game played out with the beta rules. Right now the heavy firepower cruisers seem extremely valuable, and seeing a game demonstrating how the light cruisers and motherships are needed as well would be appreciated.
>>43939151
I really want to see one of these with just a fuck load of fighter bays. Then I would paint it like a bee hive.
>So much shilling.
>So many terrible looking minis.
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>>43939223Are you still mad they don't come pre-painted, anon-kun~
>>43939256
Wrong guy.
I'm just sad there's literally only one faction that doesn't look like an abortion.
>>43939185
The ground game is how scoring works.
>>43939394
Subjectively, or objectively?
>>43939394
Wut? They all look good doe.
>>43939256
That battleship is so sexy. Can't wait to see battleships for other factions
>>43939404
Objectively.
>>43939414
UCM are extraneous details; the ships.
Scourge just looks like complete ass and samey.
The orange ships suffer from a awful colour scheme as well as aesthetics so they're really bottom of the barrel.
Only decent looking ships are PHR, which is pretty much confirmed by everyone losing their nut over them and pledging to play them. Except for the aesthetically blind of course.
>>43939401
I'm aware, but my question is how much scoring will be needed. There's always going to be a delicate balance between weaker ships that can score and stronger ships to protect and attack enemy strike carriers and motherships, but I'm really curious about how much they feel would be necessary on each side. should we expect 40-60? 50-50? 30-70 or some other more lopsided number system?
>>43939461
>models are too detailed
How awful
>>43939465
No one knows yet. Not even designers. It's likely that multiple playstyles will be viable.
>>43939437
Here is the guide friendo from previous thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ6Hryx5Yk
>>43939461
>UCM are extraneous details; the ships.
>Hating on the USS Sulaccos' grandkids
>Scourge just looks like complete ass and samey.
>I am blind, dont like alien designs nor biomechanical things
>orange ships suffer from a awful colour scheme
Stopping you right there shit taste scum.
>>43939437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ6Hryx5Yk
Here you go; keep in that he does this with more finesse for the actual models, and this is just a quick demo.
>>43939461
>samey
Same as what?
>color scheme
Don't paint them orange then!
>>43939484
Don't reply if you're mentally handicapped friend.
>>43939533
Oh, I can play that game too.
>Unrelated hash USS blah.
Check.
>Scourge are biomechanical!
And they look like total shit. Total. Shit.
>Liking festive orange as a primary colour.
I don't even need a smart remark for this one.
>>43939610
>And they look like total shit. Total. Shit.
Not really, they have a solid aesthetic and don't try to hide the fact that they're alien. There's a difference between "exceedingly alien" and "horrible design"
>>43939610
>I don't even need a smart remark for this one.
>grahh, everything has to be muted, cold or neutral colors!
>>43939610
>Unrelated hash USS blah
>Unrelated
Are you serious?
Next you are going to tell me the bear apc didn't take a few hints from this same movie too.
>>43939185
I agree. The demo video is so broad I doubt it at all represents what the game is going to be like. I really wish they included at least one pre beta batrep to give us an idea of how things work.
Tron PHR pic in previous thread
>>43939675
>>43938236
also guy who was asking about Philly how near to Philly we talking like an hour or so or closer?
>>43939701
Those look good, but they don't quite seem fully Tron; there's what looks to be a fading from the lights into the black.
I wonder how the style would look on the PHR ships, considering how there are no details whatsoever on the armor shells.
>>43939461
What extraneous details? The sensor masts or the point defense lasers?
>>43939733
They do look pretty cool.
>>43939733
Maybe a dark metalic for the armor shells, and have a bright neon running down the length tracing the edges of the shells and outlining the guns, with some tracing neon lines running between those round things on the fins.
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Bumpan with giant lasers
>>43940563
Mega burn-thru laser is love. Probably does something other than just 2 damage a die roll considering they built a BC around that laser cannon.
Oh god I can't decide if I want my 2 bonus starters (courtesy of Commodore) to be one each of PHR and Shaltari, to better demo the product, or just splurge on PHR. I dunno if I'd ever even get a demo done, but I want to be all helpful and such and get folks into the game.
Anyone else planning on doing demo games? I've done a few in the past, for Dust Warfare and the like, but they've never borne any fruit.
>>43940563
>>43940689
>built a BC around that laser cannon
So what you're saying is that they made an astonishingly deadly gun and thought to themselves "This gun needs to fly?"
>>43940692
I already have one person willing to play. I will try to subvert his friend and hopefuly others. I will have to lure them in with kingdom death first.
>tfw I am niche gamer dude
>>43940722
I didnt want to meme too hard but that is exactly the reference I was making.
>>43940722
*yawn*
Wow... I hope I can still back it...
>>43940748
>tfw I am niche gamer dude
Shit man, you and me both. I can't remember the number of times I brought in some low-key game with gorgeous mini's or great rules and shilled my ass off, but to no avail. The aforementioned Dust, and Dystopian Wars especially - did two demo games a piece, and had one bite total.
I hope DFC doesn't end up the same way.
>>43940692
I'm getting one of each. I have no store or hobby group, just my board game friends so my whole life is demo games.
>Orbital bombardment is a thing.
yes...Yes...YES!!!
>>43940790
Flip it upside down and put rockets on the back and its the next UCM ship.
>>43940801
>...
Was wondering when you would show up.
>>43939073
Come on! We can surely make 500,000 britbucks!
>>43940903
Sure looks that way. Low end projection is just a couple bux short.
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander/#chart-exp-projection
>>43940939
I swear, if we end up a few britbucks short of the Frigate Bonanza, I'm going to be very salty.
>>43940939
>>43941032
20k away!
The 48 hour emails went out. We are just starting to see an upsurge. We should know tomorrow for sure, but it looks like it is going to make it.
>>43940835
what's this from?
>>43939256
>>43939451
Yeah, sexy as fuck... do they come pre-painted?
>>43941164
you know the answer already
>>43941146
Space Battleship Yamato 2199
A faithful reboot to the original Space Battleship Yamato aka Star Blazers.
Here is the scene with sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzWfu3STLtQ
I move that we adopted prepainted as an inside joke
>>43941271
seconded
>>43941271
Is the rulebook prepainted? I can't color in the lines very well.
prepainted... meme... desu...
>>43941331
Its paint by number.
>>43941331
>>43941412
I think if we get to 550k we unlock prepainted models
>>43941271
And so Prepainted Guy passed into legend.
>>43939562
As a note (in case he doesn't mention it in the tutorial), he gets the really nice effects on the Scourge and Shaltari by airbrushing his inks and washes on, ro get ab extremely thin and clean application that you won't get with a brush. It will still look good with a bruah, but it will be closer to the tutorial vid and not the stuff on the Hawk site.
>>43941530
Literally a forced meme now.
What have we done....
>>43941530
It's not just "a" guy because I was the one that did it yesterday, cluelessly asked the question by coincidence and everyone got so triggered that I just continued doing it for a while on that thread. But someone did it before me apparently.
>>43941724
you dont understand man, just about every DFC thread has had some dude show up and ask if the models are prepainted, and then throw a hissy fit when he finds out they arent.
>>43941795
Yea asking questions or having a different opinion isn't a big deal. Insulting others pointlessly and general trolling is what made Pee Pee Guy a fucking douche.
Just under 20K to go.
It's habbening.
How big is the Achilles torpedo compared to a frigate?
>>43942162
about 1.5 the size of the burn through laser on the phr frigate in all likely hood, so somewhere around 1/5-1/3 the size of a frigate
>>43942162
It looks to be roughly the same size as a burn through laser. So about 1/4 the total volume of a PHR frigate. Its a big fuckin missile.
>>43941907
Its 18k now.
>>43942162
1/4 frigate sized, I think. Easily big enough to smash your average strike carrier in half.
Gotta say, as someone who was part of the old dropzone commander generals about 6 months back, it feels good to see a drop___ general make it to multiple threads. Here's hoping we can keep it going after the kickstarter is over.
>>43940865
have you ever thought that maybe..... just maybe.... we're all the same person...?
I have a better idea.
I motion that the inside joke is actually:
Do they come prepainted...?
Argh. can't decide.
Is using commodore spread across all 4 races a waste?
I just don't know how much replayability i'll get out of 8 frigates, 4 cruisers, and 1 battlecruiser, before I have to spend more money...
>>43942815
You convince your friend or another backer to start playing, then sell/trade for ore of the fleets you like
>>43942815
It probably isn't enough for the target "tourney" point level. However, it is likely enough for most regular fun games.
My guess is something like this: I recall reading that the starter set is something like 40% of a full list. If we make it to 500k, that will probably bring it up to around 60% (half points for the 4 frigates and cruiser we got free). From there you are probably going to want/need at least one battleship, which I am guessing will eat up around 10% of that number.
So 2 starter sets of the faction of your choice is probably safe choice for the ideal spread.
>>43943058
>>43943134
Do i need to choose my starters before I pledge, or straight after?
I want to pledge but need time to decide...
>>43943759
You choose starters after the kickstarter ends. They'll send you an email asking what you want.
Hm...
If you go captain over commodore, you gain an extra rulebook, extra dice, extra ruler, all for 2 great British bongs.
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L E S S
T H A N
1 5 K
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>>43944086
we can do it
>>43944165
looking at the leonidas and the BOW video it seems it will be putting out around 12 shots, should be able to take out most things it sails past
My body is ready.
>>43944182
Speaking of, have we figured out the current weapon statlines so far?
>Damage; Shots; To-Hit; Special Rules
>UCM
>Individual Railguns seem to have their own weapon profiles
Railgun: 1; 2; 4+; N/A
>Each bank consists of two heavy railguns, which are fired in unison
Heavy Railgun Bank: 1; 4; 3+; N/A
Laser: 1; 1; 3+; Burn-Through
>Scourge
>Embedded? I can't find any obvious weapon systems on their ships
Plasma Array: 2; 1; 3+; N/A
>Each array consists of two lasers, which are fired in unison
Laser Array: 1; 2; 4+; Burn-Through
>PHR
>Shaltari
>Equivalent to the UCM Heavy Railgun Bank, each array consist of ~8 cannons, but stats are abstracted.
Ion Cannon Array: 1; 4; 3+; N/A
Particle Lance: 2; 1; 3+; Armor-Piercing, Power-Diverted
>Burn-Through: Roll another die to-hit for every hit; if a hit is critical, all subsequent hits are critical.
>Armor-Piercing: All hits are critical
>Power-Diverted: If shields on this ship are not up, this weapon does +1 damage per hit.
>>43944182
Wait, we don't have the PHR video yet, do we?
>>43944368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AIfMdJmxk
Final video
PHR and UCM weaponry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AIfMdJmxk
>>43944394
>literally just now
O H
B O Y
>>43940689
What if it's 2 Damage rolls, but it hits on a 2+ to start with? Meaning it crits on a 4+.
Or, each hit does 2 damage like the Shaltari cannons?
>>43940689
>>43944488
Maybe something like;
Heavy Laser: 2; 1; 3+; Burn-Through, Disintegrator
>Disintegrator: Roll an additional die on a hit of six, in addition to any other affects.
>>43944394
>>43944398
>PHR
>Each bank is half a broadside, not entirely sure on how their weapon profiles work yet
Light Cannon Bank: 1, 4, 4+, N/A
>Their Laser is said to be equivalent to the UCM Laser
Laser: 1, 1, 3+, Burn-Through
>>43944398
Did he say they were using the Ajax to represent on Odin cruiser?
>>43944573
they mentioned that the cruiser profile they used was of the odin not the ajax to avoid special rules, any guesses on what these are? black nanomachine close action or healing
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander/posts/1432467
>550k: 2-up PHR Cruiser
Fucking DAMMIT Hawk! I can't keep spending money!
>>43944593
I don't know, it was confusing.
Commodore here. I am considering getting a bolt on or two, what's the priority of purchases? Maps? Beijing? Space stations? I don't want to spend too much, I just want to flesh out the game a bit I guess.
>>43940818
I've been shilling hard for nearly four years at my local club. Loads of people bought in, but then only two or three actually play. I can, however, almost get a game every week.
>>43944675
What's that dumpy game?
I still don't understand how the bases work. How are altitude and signature spike displayed independently?
>>43944729
It's Dystopian Wars
>>43944650
Well, if you're using your extra starters for the additional races, you could always spring for a 4th Battlecruiser, so that way each of your factions will have one.
>>43944675
I remember seeing pics of your fleet before. Sold mine, which I regret immensely.
>>43944650
my bolt ons are launch assets and tiny cities
im going
commodore +1ucm 1phr(1 avalon 2 leonidas)
launch assets
cities
possibly ground assets if they show what they look like
also a 2nd pledge for a single PHR starter so I will have 2 near full factions (just need a battleship) and a small scourge fleet
>>43944823
No maps?
>>43944837
get 1 in starter+ radar, my mates probably will be picking up a pack
im wanting to make my own
also only 10k away
>>43944847
>>43944837
The radar map that comes free with high rank pledges is my favourite, personally.
I like the idea of the whole setup looking like a holotable.
I'm planning on printing outlines of the clusters out on red acetate and painting my launch assets mostly black with bright edge highlights.
>>43939461
>Objectively.
More like objectively shit taste on your part.
Personally, I'm not a fan of orange Shaltari either.
The difference, dear anon, is that I am capable of creativity and independent thinking. Therefore I can paint my own colour scheme.
>>43945008
Wait, so Shaltari *aren't* prepainted?
>>43945043
[Shitposting Intensifies]
>>43945008
Nah bud, they'll be like most miniatures games where you get an unpainted plastic sprue and assemble it yourself.
If you're used to X-Wing I suppose you'd expect prepainted but honestly once you go paint yourself, you never go back.
>>43945043
>>43945083
mislinked
>>43945083
I just figured it would be like HeroClix because they have the same bases.
>>43945154
>>43945154
Anyone else getting the 2-up?
I wasn't planning on it, but its KS-exclusive and there are slots to get one of each of the exclusive battleships.
>>43945154
>>43945378
Isn't it just a display piece?
>>43945378
That's what I'm doing.
>Commodore, one of each faction and all BC's sans Avalon
>+ Beijing
>+ Avalon
>+ Eden Prime
>+ Activation Cards
>>43945427
>>43945430
>>43945378
The 2 up Beijing is a collectors piece for display. Can't use it in game.
The KS exclusive ships that will be used in-game are the battle-cruisers.
Won't see any Battleships for the actual game until retail release.
>>43939073
Any sauce on how many cruisaers/frigates can be made from a sprue?
All I see on the KS page are examples of ships that 'may' be made from the sprue and it seems to be a pretty modular ship design. I assumed that you'd be able to make 1, maybe 2 ships from a sprue (according to how many basic chassis there are).
>>43945507
1 cruiser hull per sprue + modular attachments/weapons.
4 frigates hulls per sprue +4x modular attachments/weapons.
So, naturally, the only logical option is to paint and magnetize everything.
>>43945547
Looks like I'm buying a dremel then.
>>43945507
Think its 1 cruiser per sprue, and 4 frigates per sprue (can make all variants) but take that with a grain of salt
4.5k left.
Do I need to buy map bolt on or do maps come with Commodore?
>>43946078
I believe there is one in the game, but you will also get a free radar map. So in any case, no, you will not have to buy any maps if you dont want to.
>>43946112
can always play on a large atlas fold out anywho
or make a large 4x4 print of some continents generated on the internet
Watching the PHR vid and they say the cruiser being used for gameplay purposes is an Odin. I think Simon goofed because the PHR have an Odin walker already. Maybe Orion?
>>43946231
Orion seems quite possible, but I would expect its nose gun to be able to fire sideways
>>43946524
He probably forgot to mention it, and this would make a full medium broadside equivalent to the Moscow's heavy rails.
>>43946231
>>43946524
It was a cruiser that had x2 homogeneous broadside blisters that weren't large and no more armament than that. I don't think we have one of those revealed yet.
>>43946231
Yeah, that seems pretty likely.
Probably didn't bother to use the prow weapons as this was a broadside demonstration.
The Orion has medium broadsides, though, so that would mean mediums hit on a 4+. Maybe lights are 5+ but have way more shots?
>497k
>>43946691
HAPPENING
498k
G E T
H Y P E
>>43946691
>>43946816
>>43946827
>what does this mean? why are people so excited?
Pledging at the minimum reward level (45 britbucks + 10 britbucks shipping for those living on the proper side of the atalantic ocean, call it 85 in real word money) can conceivably lead to a backer having a playable fleet of conventional size. Below 500k, this is not true. After 500k, it is.
Just pledaged 204, may bump it another 50 for resin clusters and nocturnal maps.
499k
A L M O S T
T H E R E
Just upped my pledge to 200 from 160.
we did it
501k baby.
I hope we get to 550k, Id love to get a big ass PHR 2 up
>all dose frigates
>>43939223
Sorry not every thread needs to be about our glorious GW masters. Sometimes we want to talk about good companies with good games.
>>43947341
>going to have 16 PHR frigates
Oh baby
We did it!
>>43946556
Nah, the broadsides hit on a 4+, the rails hit on a 3+.
It's actually moving at a pretty good clip right now. Wonder if we'll actually make it to the next sets of unlocks?
>>43947948
525k seems pretty much guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if it hit 550k.
>>43947948
Hoping for 550k
>>43948020
>Another 2-up
pls no, my wallet.
>>43948212
The fact the 2UPs have no in game rules saved my bank account from their wrath.
I'm the only one to be buying DFC that I know, so I need to have navies for more than just myself...
If I go commodore I only get small navy for each race, which probably aren't going to lead to many decent battles.
What do?
>>43949028
Commodore gets you seventeen ships.
Twelve frigates, five capital ships.
>>43949028
Me again...
I could buy 2x commodore
Do you think this stuff will resell on ebay if I don't need all the races?
>>43949106
Since you're getting kickstarter exclusive ships, yeah definitely
>>43949116
Seventeen ships for each faction.
Seems like a good starting force for each army. You don't want vast games while you're still learning, after all.
>>43949116
No, what he is saying you get 17 ships per faction.
>>43948861
Good point, but I'm still getting the Beijing just because of how HUEG it is.
>>43949243
How HUGE is it? And do you think it will proxy for anything? I guess I could make scenarios about it.
>>43949275
Nearly a foot long.
>>43949101
Don't you get 16 frigates
>>43949355
Shit, you're right.
21 ships total. Per faction. More if you want to bolt some extras on.
This kickstarter is a dream deal.
>>43949340
Just upped my pledge to get one.
>>43949340
CHINA WILL GROW LARGER
>>43949275
It's the actual model for the future Beijing, it's just twice the size.
The reason it's not playable is because the Beijing has no rules currently. Once it does (and you make it fit on a base somehow) you could definitely use it as the smaller Beijing
>>43949355
>Don't you get 16 frigates
What? No you don't.
Starter set:
>4 frigates
>3 cruisers
>1 battlecruiser
All backers get free cruiser
>+1 cruiser
High rank backers get free frigates
>+4 frigates
All backers get free frigates
>+4 frigates
Total, 12 frigates, 4 cruisers, 1 battlecruiser per faction with commodore.
>>43949445
Double PHR starter double Ajax + Atlantis and Avalon master race
F R I G A T E S
>>43949495
E U R O P A
>medium guns
Does this mean that there's a confirmed PHR frigates with light guns, and more importantly, one with heavy guns?
>>43949513
>Broadside hangars are actually troop modules
Holy fuck, does this mean that you could potentially have a super-mothership with 4x broadside hangars and a prow troop module (like on the Orpheus)?
>>43949445
DAMNIT
A
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>>43949490
Why not 1 of each my corpulen/tg/rotesque?
>>43949445
>Starter Set
>Battlecruiser
hurr, commodore*
>>43949445
No dude. You've got Starter Fleet and Starter Set mixed up.
And added a Battlecruiser.
The starter set is:
>14 highly detailed plastic ship miniatures, including: 6 Cruisers, 4 Frigates and 4 Strike Carriers (UCM and Scourge) each with multiple possible ship variations, and including new integrated-dial bases.
+1 Cruiser from each faction
+4 more Frigates from each faction
So that's a total of 4 Cruisers and 8 Frigates for the Scourge and UCM.
>>43949819
>The starter set is:
>>14 highly detailed plastic ship miniatures, including: 6 Cruisers, 4 Frigates and 4 Strike Carriers (UCM and Scourge) each with multiple possible ship variations, and including new integrated-dial bases.
No, that's BOTH starter sets, and you literally just said the same thing I said.
High tier backers will get 12 frigates and 4 cruisers per faction, assuming all are spread evenly.
>>43949819
>So that's a total of 4 Cruisers and 8 Frigates for the Scourge and UCM.
Each. Obviously.
Plus, you went in for a High Rank tier, then on top of that everyone gets an additional Frigate Sprue and the Cruise Liner.
>>43949851
>No, that's BOTH starter sets
You mean the 2 player Starter Set right?
>>43949932
>You mean the 2 player Starter Set right?
Yes, the starter set includes 14 ships total, 7 for UCM and 7 for Scourge.
>>43949441
Ugh do you think it's worth it? Maybe I could use it for a custom scenario.
>>43949819
>No dude. You've got Starter Fleet and Starter Set mixed up.
They're practically the same thing. Commodore gets you a starter set which includes two starter fleets, and then two other starter fleets of your choice.
>And added a Battlecruiser.
Well, Commodore gets you the Atlantis automatically, plus three battlecruisers of your choice.
We then get +4 frigates, another +4 frigates (for each faction) from the recent unlock, and +1 cruiser. So Commodore backers can conceivably be getting 17 ships per faction.
So.
The Leonidas must have sixteen shots per side arc at least. As of now, mediums broadsides apparently have four, and it has two on each side. Then it has two full bays of light cannons on either side, and I can't see them having less shots than the heavies. Going by their description, they probably have more.
So each side arc will probably be churning out 16-20 shots on weapons free.
Do I need the activation cards? Are they faction specific? What's the deal?
>>43950383
More shots, but possible less accurate? I dunno how else that would work given that Mediums are already only doing 1 pt of damage per hit, so how could lights do any less?
But then why would they be better for dealing with Frigates if they're LESS accurate? What's to stop the Frigates from going Atmospheric to evade them?
>>43950428
This does seem odd.
Maybe the downside is that they can't crit?
>>43950868
Oh shit.
>>43950428
Suppose we consider medium guns that damage on 4+ and light guns that damage on 5+. These are used against cruisers with a 4+ armor save and frigates with a 6+ armor save.
Medium gun damage expectation value per shot:
vs cruiser: .333
vs frigate: .472
Light gun damage expectation value per shot:
vs cruiser: .167
vs frigate: .278
The light gun gets a relatively larger increase in damage against the frigate.
>>43950868
clever girl
>>43950428
Im wondering if small broadside weapons might be more close action based randomized shots short range, but as per PHR very accurate
>>43951031
Unfortunately, 50% more shots for the light gun would still have it less effective than the medium guns against both targets while 100% more shots would make it more effective than the medium guns against both targets. This will thus have to come down to points cost or a special rule of some sort.
>>43951088
The medium guns are two shots per bank, right?
>>43951121
Four shots, for a total of eight shots per side if they are full medium broadsides.
>>43951138
Oh. Never mind then. If the light guns get 7 shots per bank then they would be a bit less effective than medium guns vs a 4+ armor save and a bit more effective vs a 6+ armor save.
It's a pretty small difference in both cases though.
>>43951174
Just for clarification, a bank is a halfside right?
>>43951188
Yes
>>43951035
That would work, Frigates don't have the most PD in the world do they? So a CAG battery (say D6+3 per bank) on top of existing CAG would make sense.
>>43951035
I dunno, they seem to think it's worthwhile capital ship armament. Put me down for "more shots, *special can't crit".
>>43951366
That's not a special rule. If it damages on 5+ it can't crit by default. You would have to roll a 7.
>>43951402
Citing this guy:
>>43951088
5+ just sucks, you'd have to be rolling buckets to make it worthwhile.
You know, I was really confused on why heavier guns have a better to-hit score (and not just more damage) than lighter guns, but then I realized that Hawk, instead of getting rid of to-damage rolls, actually conflated to-hit and to-damage into one roll. I wish they would call it something else, though.
>>43951468
Rolling buckets is a very viable option. The Helios is an effective tank hunter.
>>43951565
Yeah like.... Hit Dam, or Dam Hit...
Damhit
Damnit.
Roll to damnit.
Did any one catch the rolls to damage and number of shots for Shaltari weapons?
>>43952115
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander/
First ship has 2 ion cannons. 4 shots each 3+ to hit. 5-6 to crit.
Second ship 3 guns, 1 shot each. 2 damage per hit 3+ to hit. 3 shot if shields are down.
>>43952278
The Particle Lances (second guns) also ignore saves.
Shaltari seem like the master duelist race.
I wish we knew how movement works. I don't think we've seen a ship turn yet.
>>43952705
One account of the one thing I gathered that seems most important- if you "weapons free!", you can't turn.
Makes the PHR something of a tricky proposition, all Narrow and Side arcs that they seem to be.
>>43950868
Do those look like they can point down?
>>43952752
Yeah, I noticed that.
I think that actually might really hamstring them.
>>43952977
You'll often be shooting across a significant portion of the table. Objectives mean that stuff has to go to certain places.
>>43952977
Not entirely, if each broadside is a single weapons bank, the only time you'd need to go weapons free is if you have an enemy on each side, if your orbiting around you can just move normally, not generate massive energy spikes and hurl 8 dice downwind whilst still being able to maneouver.
about to hit 525
Come on 550
>>43949540
What?
>>43953132
Their strike carrier is mounting what I thought was strike craft hangar bays, which possibly means that the hangars we've seen on the cruisers aren't for strike craft either.
>>43953358
Strike carriers carry troops. Fleet carriers carry fighters and such.
>>43953020
They're not.
The Theseus and the Perseus shows that each row of broadsides is divided in two. So four shots each with mediums.
Anyone know what the retail costs are? Whats is the kickstarter valued at retail?
>>43954812
Retail = X
KS > Xwe don't know.
>>43955178
>N ships at retail is X
>N ships at retail is less than X
You're right, my bad.
>>43949495
Frigate mounted with a Burn-Laser is bad news.
>>43954812
It was going to be cheaper than retail even before all of the freebies got added on.
I wonder if investing in 2x commodore would be a good idea. Swimming in ships, sell some of them, buy battleships/dreadnought/hookers with the profit?
>>43956263
If nothing else, you'd make some dosh from the KS-exclusive ships later on.
And god damn I think we might actually make 550k, the rate it's going.
I'm in for 289EUR. What are you in for?
Commodore pledge for starter+2xPHR fleet
+Shaltari fleet
+Battlecruiser to complete the four set
+Resin cluster pack
+Space Station
+Faction Dice
+Launch Assets
+Civ Freighter
>>43959336
I thought launch assets were included in the starter sets?
I've pledge commendore and probably going;
3 avalons, a scourge and ucm starter fleet as the freebie stuff, then adding a ucm, scourge and phr starter and 3 basilisks. not sure if i want to get the leonidas instead of one of the basilisks though, i really dislike the scourge frigates so I'll be experimenting with chopping them up and converting them somehow.
>>43959468
I believe it is only some kind of cardboard token for the assets included.
>>43959336
250 Pounds, which is 382 Dollars in civilized language.
>Commodore
>One of each starter fleet
>Basilisk, Leonidas, Adamant
>+Beijing 2-up
>+Avalon
>+35 Pounds of whatever I want, depending on what the final unlocks are; probably Eden Prime + Activation cards, but I may go for something else
I mean, the maps are amazing looking, but I don't think they're truly necessary to great play, and I can always make my own.
I could go for the modular space station instead of Eden Prime, or maybe even the PHR 2-up Ajax if it's unlocked.
New thread?
>>43959985
We have nearly 100 replies to go
Low end projection: 552153 britbux
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander/#chart-exp-projection
>>43960025
>We mushed the trend line back up
K E E P
G O I N G
I want to pick up more of the KS exclusive battle cruisers but I'm suspicious that they are not going to end up being that different from regular Bcruisers. I think they might just have different weapon loadouts. What do you think?
>>43960389
I think retail battlecruiser will cost more
>>43960389
I honestly wouldn't like it if they were outright better compared to normal battlecruisers. It wouldn't feel right.
Either way, they are pretty, and KS exclusive, and that's enough to push my buttons. You'd likely be able to make some good bucks reselling it if worse came to worse.
>>43960412
They are no doubt pretty, but if the only thing that ends up making them "KS exclusive" is a unique weapon loadout you could probably kitbash that together with the regular Bcruiser sprue.
Another question I can't find the answer for: Have they said if you can mix cruiser types in a battlegroup or do they all have to be the same loadout?
>>43960498
You can definitely mix cruiser types, but there will probably be some restrictions.
Wondering what you need for an average game (not apoc levels, but the designed-for game size)
I'm at Commodore level, trading away UCM for more Scourge and thinking PHR to get two goodly amount of ship fleets, but that'd mean I might have to add a battlecruiser to the pledge if you need more than one for normal games. I've already added in stations, cluster pack, launch assets, cards and a different map so even though I suspect it'll collect dust either way I'd like to not blow most of my disposable income this month on this if you don't use more than one battlecruiser in an average game.
>>43960634
same position as you - really don't know what to do.
Thinking 2x commodore is the only option
>>43959468
this is me, posting from a new computer, changed my pledge so now I'm going x2 commendore instead for maximum ships.
some quick math suggests that you get a whole lot more boats for your money this way compared to bolting on the stuff.
8 bc's (two atlantis)
2 scourge starter fleets
2 ucm starter fleets
_4_ starter fleets of your choosing
16 frigates per faction and 2 cruisers per faction.
all for the neat price of 310 brittbongs
>>43961424
Do you have two addresses?
>decide against backing Banner Saga minis due to questionable company reputation
>find out about DFC an hour later
Fucking Kickstarter, stop trying to take my NEETbux. I'd back for the starter kit in spite of living in isolated 40Ksville, but I'm really not a fan of the Scourge.
I take it that the Rulebook + Starter Fleet option provides only half the stuff you need to play, given that the table + ground objectives are a major part of the game?
>>43961491
You own a table. There's no terrain in space. Ground objectives are pieces of cardboard.
>>43961491
You can also add on a set of maps. The cheapest are 15 bongs.
>>43961424
310 great british bongs is quite a lot, but i'm thinking 2x commodore is the only way to get decent sized fleets including PHR.
I just bought Kingdom death though, so I've spent a lot of bongs lately...
>>43961506
I do not own a table
>>43961531
You could also wait for retail and get some actual variety for your fleets.
>>43961538
No tables of any kind? Use the floor then. Or visit Ikea.
>>43961540
Or you get 2x commodore, sell 1 set for twice the bongs, then buy your variety.
>>43961506
Homemade objectives would simplify things.
Now I just have to decide if the cost of a starter fleet is worth the very probable risk that I will never meet a physical person with their own fleet to actually play with.
>>43961578
It comes with cardboard objectives
Hawk haw a good forum for finding players. Might be a bit of a drive if you're particularly remote.
>>43961602
Try interior Alaska. As expected, the closest people on the forums are Washington/Canada and a post on the local wargamer Facebook group got buried under the usual block of 40K discussion.
I guess the sensible choice is saving my money so I can put it towards moving somewhere that the "spaceship navy fights" tabletop genre isn't a dead end.Sorry for blogging, I'm just vexed by the utter lack of gaming variety in these parts
>>43961471
no, but a waifu
>>inb4 3d
she backs the kickstarter too and we just happen to have the same address :^)
>>43961745
You're pretty fucked then. I'm surprised there are even 40k players. Must be Fairbanks.
>>43961763
I think it's one set of freebies per household.
>>43961771
Fairbanks really only persists thanks to the army post growing off one side of downtown, so there's a lot of military personnel that come through our lone FLGS looking for games.
Of course they all play GW games, but some tabletop gamers is better than none.
>>43961782
even with only one set of free frigates and cruisers it still comes to more then I would have gotten otherwise, but I sent them a message on jewbook and will see what they say about it. :^)otherwise there is always my work address I guess.
I have not done kickstarter before. I want 2 commodore level pledges. Do I just have to create a second KS account or is there another way?
>>43962283
how come you want two? Don't you want variety in your fleetS?
