These fuckers attack the Federation of Planets (star trek). How does Starfleet and their allies fair? Assume Next Generation time period.
>>43917694
Yes.
Maybe.
>>43917694
I don't know.
They don't have anything the feds haven't dealt with before.
>>43917694
Plasma weaponry is fairly crude by Federation standards, actually.
Besides, Federation doesn't beat you with military technology; they use incredibly bullshit science stuff to ruin you completely with their genius.
The Covenant's understanding of their technology is FULL of holes the Federation can exploit left and right.
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>>43917717
That's a stupid meme and you know it.
>>43917923
>meme
>>43917923
Lets agree to disagree.
>>43917694
The UNSC is fought the covenant for close to 30 years while still winning the occasional battle despite their fleet not having shields. They're still using conventional and nuclear warheads on their missiles.
The only advantage the Covenant would have against the UFP, even in early TNG era, would be their much faster FTL.
>>43917900
Or they beat you up in ship to ship engagements, which they would do pretty handily because the Covenant just is not up to their standards in that regard in any way.
I suspect the Federation is also faster than they are, but I couldn't say for sure. Even if they aren't they are probably still loads better at space combat though.
That, and the shitty, ubiquitous sidearm used by the lightly armed security teams of science and exploration ships is a probably better in a lot of ways than many Covenant infantry weapons.
>>43917923
You're not the boss of me, now.
>>43917694
They'll treknobabble their way to victory and negotiate half the races to secede to the Federation.
>>43917923
You want to have another "My universe can beat up your universe" shit-talk thread?
>>43917694
Is this gonna be a new thing
>First it was Covenant drop into 40k verse? Why does the Covenant win forever?
>Then it was Covenant drop into Star Wars verse? Why does the Covenant win forever?
Now this. What next?
>Covenant drop into Infinity verse. Why does the Covenant win forever?
>>43918059
Aren't the covenant already in infinity desuwa?
Just set a phaser on a wide beam setting, can pretty much neutralize that whole field.
Shame they forgot that during the dominion wars.
>>43918020
>muh treknobabble
Was actually mostly a Voyager thing, and barely happened in TNG or DS9. TOS even has an episode where the entire point is that Kirk's treknobabble is pure bluff to make the Enterprise look stronger than it actually is.
But yeah, Voyager was rife with shitty writing, so it has "reroute power to the deflector dish" every other episode in a way that does not serve the plot. Because if the technobabble DOES serve the plot, it's just regular science fiction. In those cases, it usually implies a moral decision, or it's used to create a situation not possible in the normal world. Say, a proper use of technobabble would be to say that the teleporter fuses two crewmembers into an entirely new person, and explore the ethics of undoing the deaths of the previous two by essentially murdering the person they fused into.they murder the new guy, because how could Voyager ever do without its rat of a ship's clown, Neelix?
>>43918145
I don't even know why I continued watching voyager after that episode. Neelix was Wes Crusher-tier annoying and the fact that nobody killed him is honestly more unbelievable than "warp particles will show where the hole in reality is :^)" or whatever other bullshit they had in that trainwreck in a show.
>>43917694
Yeah ok, nice power level thread you got here bro but can the Covenant+Federation beat Saitama? GG no re baka sempai.
>>43917694
These dumbass threads are nearly as annoying as those goddamn pantysniffing quest threads, but let's do this anyway.
As >>43917969 said, nuclear weapons are still used in Halo. Nuclear warheads were the weapon of choice in the first Human-Romulan wars, which were long before even TOS, which means that compared to TNG tech they're banging rocks together.
Additionally, any tech advantages that Covenant might have are pretty much moot after a year or so. Federation engineers are famous across the galaxy (In DS9, an enemy commander says something along the lines of "I'm sure you have one of those famed Federation engineers who can turn rocks into replicators"). If you want an example of UFP getting blindsided by novel technology, look to the Breen's entry into the Dominion War. Breen bring along some newfangled energy weapon that completely fucks over starships in a single hit. In less than a year, Federation comes up with a countermeasure to this completely new weapon. Granted, it wouldn't have been nearly as easy or quick without a stolen copy of the weapon and that one Warbird that didn't get wrecked at Chintoka, but the point stands. Fed will adapt to things they haven't seen before in astonishing time.
>>43918264
Well, Tuvok was one of the better characters in the show, and at least we got him back, too. Then again, Tim Russ played Tuvix, and did so incredibly well, showing exactly why it's such a crime that Tuvok was massively underused as a character.
But Voyager tried, at least. So it had a bunch of good episodes, and a bunch of good characters. Even Neelix has two or three episodes where he isn't completely insufferable. Janeway was the real stinker, for me. Bitch can ruin a good episode by waltzing in with a shitty decision at the last moment, she's always sticking her snout where it doesn't belong, her morality changes every episode, and even the actress playing her was a huge bitch.
Even Archer was a better captain, and a better character, than Janeway.
>>43918487
>Fed will adapt to things they haven't seen before in astonishing time.
No fucking wonder the Borg are hellbent on assimilating them.
>>43918497
Tuvok had potential, but they almost never used him. That one episode with the Betazoid serial killer was excellent, but honestly he never got nearly as much screentime as he should have.
As much as everyone shits on Enterprise, it did have some damn good episodes. Characterization in both voy and ent were shit (although honestly the only series that had half-decent character building was DS9, the shitty writing was just more obvious with voyager and enterprise because they had cardboard cutouts of a crew rather than actually interesting characters). If you only watch the fourth season of Ent, there is some fantastic shit in there. They explain the whole Klingon headridges conundrum and show how Vulcans, who had been stuck-up Romulanesque bitches for the previous three seasons, can be the cool, logical spaceelves they are in TOS. That's better plot writing in two episodes than you'll get in two seasons of TNG.
Anyway, since OP is an even bigger pantyfucker than usual, this thread is now "Star Trek opinions that nobody else has."
>DS9 had best writing
>TNG had shitty writing, acting and staging and remains popular in large part thanks to the "nerdy grrrls"-type crowd who haven't even watched any of the show outside of episodes like Drumhead, The Inner Light and Tapestry
>Wes Crusher makes any episode he's in an unwatchable cringefest
>Enterprise was terrible, but not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be
>DS9 is really scary to watch because they're clearly talking about stuff that hadn't happened yet (Homefront/Paradise Lost might as well have been talking about post 9/11 America and Iraq War, the whole Section 31 thing is basically "PATRIOT Act: the story arc")
>>43918487
In universe, what makes federation engineers so fucking insane?
>>43919103
>DS9 had best writing
Agreed
>>TNG had shitty writing, acting and staging and remains popular in large part thanks to the "nerdy grrrls"-type crowd who haven't even watched any of the show outside of episodes like Drumhead, The Inner Light and Tapestry
Disagreed. It's a fine series after it comes into its own in season 2. But then again, so DS9.
>>Wes Crusher makes any episode he's in an unwatchable cringefest
That's a pretty commonly shared opinion.
>>Enterprise was terrible, but not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be
Another pretty common opinion.
>>DS9 is really scary to watch because they're clearly talking about stuff that hadn't happened yet (Homefront/Paradise Lost might as well have been talking about post 9/11 America and Iraq War, the whole Section 31 thing is basically "PATRIOT Act: the story arc")
SciFi as a genre tends to be somewhat prophetic.
My turn:
>Voyager has the best premise of any star trek product. While it is by no means great, it has some of the greatest episodes in star trek, and the greatest character. Robert Picardo is a phenomenal actor.
>The original series, while overall okay, is marred by its extremely repetitive plots. Watch the "best" episodes, skip the rest. The only real difference between it and voyager quality wise is that it has a greater density of quality.
>>43917923
yes.
>>43919160
Never really stated. If I had to guess, it's a combination of heavy education (Starfleet Acadamy is said to be very tough academically), diverse population (different species will approach the same problem in different ways, the only other major player with this quality is the Dominion—Borg don't really count—and Dominion don't have engineers on every ship, just Vorta and Jem'hadar), and what might be described as a strong engineering tradition. Basically, because of the Federation's emphasis on exploration and science, engineers are very important (gotta keep the engines running as you plow through some exotic type of nebula that fucks everything up. And gotta go through the nebula instead of just going around it like a normal person because EXPLORATION!). As a result, engineers are highly valued and it's considered a rather prestigious occupation (people are always going on about how great O'Brien is at his job, people rarely comment on how good Troi is at not having Asperger's, Riker is at having beards and fucking, Data is at science shit or Worf is at getting OHKO'd)
