>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Farsight is the hero we want edition
http://terranholyfamily.tumblr.com/post/116635995588/so
TL;DR giant primarch dicks
Third for all of the past arguing to stop.
>>43883330
>mfw
It's nice to see stealth suits getting the love
>>43883381
I almost thought that the suit closest to the chainblade got slapped away by the Knight.
I need to paint my goddamn culexus
Where's that mont'ka pdf?
I also picked up 20 boyz, warboss, 5 nobz and 3 deffkoptaz die $50. Good deal or nah and what should i invest in next?
Reposting
Should I buy the betrayal at cath box and make them emporers children chaos space Marines? The elegance of the terminators and dreadnought fits the theme of pre heresy emporers children.
Basically, 3 squads of ten csm, five termies, and a hell brute. Good or no?
I'd be nice to get some Tau novels.
>>43883401
They look stupid without any thrusters
>thisismyfatenow.jpg
>>43883432
kat
>>43883486
Is that Tau's hooves unarmored? And it would have looked better/funnier if it really was slapped away by the Knight.
>>43883381
can i just say how much i hate imperial knights?
i love the model and lore and whatnot, but I despise fighting them in a normal game, even though i play imperial guard and SM
>>43883431
>that tau drone shooting at the titan
>>43883355
Arguing won't stop now. /tg/ was apathetic about shitposters, now they're here shitpost forever.
But, those who tried to point this out were told to "ignore it", well, I hope if you get a cancer tumour, you'll ignore that too. I mean, that always makes it go away, right?
Once upon a time, people would stick to their own threads. Warmahordes didn't come to 40k and vice-a-versa unless they played both. FoW stayed in it's own thread. Now people go into other threads just to shitpost, because they think it's allowed. Look at AoS, it's been nonstop shitposting for 8 months now.
But it's just AoS, right? Who cares. It won't spread into 40k or CYO() or whatever, right? We won't have cunts like Carnac will we? :)
>>43883460
You do know they got an entire anthology when Kauyon released, right?
Was thinking of putting the heads with the brush from the calth set on my new centurions for my red scorpions army. Cool idea? Bad idea?
>>43883691
So you are saying tau need a containment board? /tau/
>>43883750
cool idea
dew it
>>43883460
Am I the only one who think the dead marines are the best things drawn in that picture
Got Space Hulk for 70 bucks
How'd I do /tg/?
>>43883777
>70$
holy shit nice find, where did you nab it for that cheap?
>>43883763
Thanks man. I feel like something called centurions with the horse brush helm are as Roman as you can fucking get.
>>43883791
local game shop trying to clear some stuff with black friday deals and one guy knew I just started with Betrayal at Calth pointed it out to me
>>43883330
So, everybody but Magnus has smaller dick sizes than that American bloke? Also, height =! dick size. Otherwise I'd have a big dick.
>>43883759
No I'm saying that /tg/ has let shitposters and trolls establish roots and 99% of people are apathetic about them. It is literally board sanctioned shitposting because we allow it to happen. AoS is a major example, but it's in 40k now with Tau shitposts done specifically to piss people off. Like the "oh this is a fun casual list of Tau for 1000 points" and it has 2 Riptides in. Cue dozens of replies.
Considering an Imperial Knight to take alongside my Blood Angels army.
What's the best load out for a Crusader?
Also, outside of the obvious choice of a Crusader what is the next best choice for a knight? I think the Paladin is good overall but I like the Errant too because the Thermal Cannon basically deletes everything it touches.
>>43883864
It'll die down once the Tau stop getting new stuff.
>>43883330
How would Magnus fuck a girl without ripping her in half?
>>43883878
paladin if you have enough ranged AT
errant if you don't
GW making the powerfist not a part of the errant loadout is some serious heresy, though
>>43884093
biomancy
![dscf3675[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aE61O31.jpg "dscf3675[1].jpg")
Centurion Armor becomes a 2W model with 3+.
On death during a shooting phase, place a Space Marine model with single bolt pistol (if ranged) or frag grenades (if melee) where the original model was removed.
If killed during an Assault phase, neither variant may place their model down to replace them, as they cannot evacuate their armor. The assault centurion, however, will detonate his frag grenades. Place a Blast Marker over the center of the assault centurion killed in melee, and resolve hits against all models under the marker as though they were hit by a frag grenade. These hits occur at the initiative step of 1.
Y/NI asked in last thread and all it became was Termis vs Cents. I want to know if it's a decent idea to separate them from being just another marine infantry model.
>>43884155
Used on him or on her?
>>43884190
yes. throw in some telepathy as well. bitches love mind games
If I run Sevrin Loth with 3 Grav Cents in a drop pod, is there any instance where I should take Biomancy instead of Telepathy? Maybe in less competitive games I could go for Endurance instead of Invisibility?
>>43883878
Just magnetize it. No need to worry what's the best loadout or type when you can have them all
>>43884168
Cool, but would only allow the frag-suicide if the Centurion squad is wiped out. They really shouldn't be popping frags into each other the second they die.
Also, would the escaped marine form a one man squad or squad up with the Centurions (and heroically fling hismelf infront of incoming bullets, natch)?
>>43884190
>>43884245
>>43884155
>Getting it in with some Petite Asian girl
>Using Biomancy to make her able to accept the girth
>Stomach's bulging like a hentai or some shit
>She's going nuts
>Throw in some telepathy
>Let her feel what I'm feeling while I'm 15 inches deep
>She's going bonkers
>Get ready to give myself the old 'iron arm' knowmsayin?
Perils
>FUCK SHIT
>OH MAN FUCK THERE'S SO MUCH BLOOD
>NO NO SHHH SHHHH I CAN GET YOUR ORGANS BACK INSIDE
>I JUST GOTTA-
>FUCK IS THAT YOUR HIP BONE?
>DAMN SHIT FUCK
Psyker sex, not even once.
>>43884415
And that was how Magnus fell to Khorne.
>>43884357
Probably not, but you really "should" be rolling on divination instead anyway. Rerolls to hit, ignores cover and a 2++ rerollable on servin himself are all available on that discipline.
>>43884367
Same squad. Having 3 different targets you gotta shoot at because those fuckers are on the VP would be retarded.
How about:
If the unit would be wiped out in assault, instead place a blast marker over each surviving centurion, hitting all targets under it as though they were hit by a frag grenade.
The enemy may attempt to stop the marines with an opposed initiative test, stopping any grenades from being detonated.
>>43884478
Unfortunately Loth can only do Telepathy, telekinesis, and biomancy.
I haven't had a chance to pick up Mont'ka, might try tomorrow, but does anyone know the FE tactical objectives? I haven't been able to find them.
Also what are the deal with those two MC "Wing" formations? Do they actually fit into either of the Detachments, or are they purely just formations like the Ol' Days?
>>43884730
There are formation that you can add to any Tau or FSE army.
>>43884066
Then it'll go back to AoS, or KoW or dozens of other shitposts. It's lazy. I miss "Elf slave wat do" threads if we're doing shitposting.
>>43883750
Thats an awesome helmet, Im so changing it to a mohawk.
So I brought my 1250 Dread Mob against a cool IG tank bro and had a decent game. My biggest regret is not bringing a phone charger...
He let me proxy my Deff Dreads double rokkits as double klaws which were his ultimate undoing.
This time I did not hesitate to slog the hole dread blob right into his tank command unit. It had two executioners. Only 4/6 of the Dreads made it in for CC but I ripped him apart on the charge.
My lootas popped a rhino and some guards spilled right into my grootzooka kan wall.
The turn after he finished up my dreads and big mek but I had gotten fairly lucky with objectives and had a strong lead.
We ended the game 9 to 6.
Thinking a starting a SM army trying to decide on a chapter I'm caught between Raven Guard or Imperial Fists.
>>43885253
flip a coin
>>43883878
Best way load out for the Crusader? Keep the thermal cannon or replace with the battle cannon?
The thermal cannon and the avenger gatling cannon are both 36" range while the battle cannon is 72"
If I decide to stay back and camp with the battle cannon then I can't really make use of the gatling cannon.
>>43885253
Raven guard just got some hella tight supplements. Imperial Fists will be an easier, funner paint job desu...
Source: I'm a hobby painter with raven guard
Hey, I'm looking to get into dark heresy, what pc options does enemy without add besides the Ace? Please and thank you with purity seals on top!
>>43883588
>unarmoured hooves
Nah hooves are just moulded onto the suits
Are there actually people on tg that don't magnetize their minis?
>>43885473
I don't
I'm new, cheap, and all around bad at modelling
>>43885473
You moan about that, but I bet you don't make all your skimmers/flyers floating without stands using magnets.
>>43884730
The FE tactical objectives are the same as the ones in the old FSE supplement.
The wing formations don't fit into either of the detachments, they're just ye olde formations
>>43883662
Don't you put him down, he's doing his best!
>>43885586
h-has anyone done that? Because thats freaking wizard
>>43885516
>"I'm cheap and bad at modelling"
>posts his fully completed Thunderhawk
Come on man. Don't lie to us.
>>43885782
Ha fuck no thats not me
Saw it on ebay for like 400 bucks
>>43885762
Yes. 2015 Tank Painting thing. Some guy did it for an Eldar Lynx this year, but it's been done before by others.
Pic related. It might be the same guy, base seems familiar. But I can't find this years.
How many marines died in Mont'ka without the possibility of retrieving the Geneseed? Is the Raven guard fucked again?
>>43885796
fuck, that is some spectacular work
>>43885473
i'm in the process of putting magnets on my bloodthrister. or rather i would be if it wasn't a pain in the ass so i've left it alone for months now
>>43886074
It is pretty amazing. I don't think you could do it for an actual army, as you need stabilising electro magnets to do it, which would mean batteries or mains power.
If somebody could, though, it would be amazing.
whats ur fav space marine chapter? Mine would have to be a three way tie between the carcharadons...the salamanders and the raptors.
Can someone repost the Eldar stuff from the last thread pls
>>43884446
>Khorne
Cant fall to Khorne when you're already in the service of Slaanesh.
>>43886061
It says that hundreds of marines died in the initial stages of the conflict of war in Kauyon, and many more were wounded. It also says that some Tau weaponry destroyed the geneseed of some of the marine causalities.
The Mont'ka war was larger than Kauyon so the marine deaths must have been larger. I wouldn't feel wrong If I said that at least a chapter or two worth of marines were lost.
>>43886173
>chapter or two worth of marines were lost.
>2000 marines lost
Source? I mean an actual line going "2000 marines lost" not a "many died" or whatever.
>>43886074
I just picked up a Dremel to do then with, once I'm done my old leman Russ which can't be magnetized I'll be doing some chimeras and hydras and more
Lehman russ
>>43886342
It's my personal estimate since marines were stated to be dying by the hundreds in each battle.
>>43886387
Okay, so no source. Would have been cool for GW to go "lol 2,000 died".
Shame. Did they mention any other Space Marines? I know old fluff mentioned like Exsanguinators and shit, but afaik it's WS and RG.
>>43886452
They mention that 8 marine chapters in the battle.
But only the Ravens and Scars were written about in the story.
>>43886061
Sneaky flaming sharks of death
>>43885795
only $400?
link. now.
Farsight Enclaves are about to be wiped out by the Tyranids without even the possibility of anyone within Tau Empire helping them. Right?
Those, who read Mymeara 2ed. What new fluff there are?
>>43886518
The Enclave have fought and defeated Tyranids before.
If he needs help, the Third Sphere Septs and Shadowsun's coalition are nearby.
>>43886518
>A Tyranid Splinter Fleet was able to constantly adapt and evolve to plagues unleashed by Nurgle
>A team of Earth-Caste scientists obliterate a Tyranid Splinter fleet with a toxin
>Earth-caste scientists better at poisoning than the actual God of Poisoning
The Tau are far too god-tier to be allowed to lose
>>43886704
>>A team of Earth-Caste scientists obliterate a Tyranid Splinter fleet with a toxin
That's exactly what happened in Dawn of War 2.
>>43886518
It would fit the narrative about Farsight becoming a monster.
>that feel when trying to salvage an old broken unloved rhino i've had in my closet for years
>>43886518
They will be fine. Tau plot armor is thicker than walls of Imperial Palace on Terra.Farsight becomes a monster just to advance the plot
>>43886848
>>43886734
Where is this monster stuff coming from?
>>43886518
They still can communicate with Earth Caste scientists within the Tau Empire.
>>43886873
there's a prophecy about him where the sword or something will cause him to become a monster, black library fluff i think. think big boss parallels
Would keeping the Marks of Tzeentch's cost the same, but changing its effects to the following result in a fair, balanced codex relative to Eldar, Tau, Necrons, etc?
On non-character models:
>Slow and Purposeful
>4++ Invulnerable Save
On character models:
>4++ Invulnerable Save
>Psyker (Mastery Level 1)
>>43886152
Abby can
>>43886916
Should MoT always refer to Rubric Marines? There is other Tzeentch-worshipping marines as well!
How does tg strip their shittily painted models from eBay? Can't
Seem to get super clean in Australia and dettol takes ages but gets most of the primer off. Anyone found something as effective as super clean?
>>43886743
Just loot it and join the green side of the fun
>>43885074
>Rhino
>IG
did he have allied SM at 1250 points or you just confused a Chimera for a Rhino?
>>43887006
>don't answer question
>instead complain about something unrelated
If I wanted to fix the Mark of Tzeentch, I'd have it give 5++ base and automatically grant Soul Blaze in both melee and range. I'd also make it so that Soul Blaze counters from different units stack and Soul Blaze automatically hits the turn that it's applied. Change the Icon of Flame to the Icon of Deceit, which grants Infiltrate and adds a Warp Charge in the psychic phase on a 4+.
>>43883402
Isn't that guy the leader of the Tau? Will the Empire collapse now?
>>43883431
AdMech have the best art.
>>43885473
What's the purpose of using magnets?
>>43887149
srsly?
a) to easily exchange options like weapons on a mini
b) to quickly dismantle a mini for transport
c) posing, moving
I haven't used Piranhas or Seekers much. Can you fire your seekers (with or without a markerlight), leave the drones, and then move Flat Out?
>>43887128
They covered up his death. They will replace him in time.
>>43887059
Do you have fairy power spray there? I've heard that it's some really good shit for stripping models.
>>43887128
North Korea's Eternal President.
>>43887059
ultrasonic cleaner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCiqRUB3Ums
>>43883691
>Hurf durf apathy
These threads have been terrible because they're full of idiots that get upset over things they haven't read and talk about trolls that aren't even doing anything yet in the thread, derailing the thread into a discussion about them when they aren't even here.
>>43887163
Ah I see, wouldn't the magnets kind of stick out like a sore thumb though on the model?
>>43883864
>No I'm saying that /tg/ has let shitposters and trolls establish roots and 99% of people are apathetic about them.
Yeah, because responding to them with YOU ARE WRONG FAGGOT is what really deters bait right? I'll can call you a thick cunt right now, but I've got a sneaking suspicion you won't fuck off.
Dark Eldar Medusa spam, worth it or not when going against mostly space marines and necrons?
25 points each, 1-12 moddels with S4 AP3 template
>>43887149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc
>>43883330
>Be Thousand Sons fan and player
Father, am proud.
BIG CYCLOPS COCK
TINY WULFEN PENIS
>>43887135
They do, but you posted a terrible example.
If I wanted to run Farsight Enclaves do I have to paint them red? Also are the Enclaves relics worse than the normal ones?
>>43887205
The magnets which are used are very small and very strong (Neodym magnets, e.g. 2x1mm). You drill holes into the minature, glue the magnets into these holes, prime over if you want and that is it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u13pvC-W1b4
>>43886704
Nurgle isn't actally the god of poisoning, he's the god fear, decay, friendship and fortitude which manifests as plague and poison just like tzeentch isn't the god of birds.
It's the magical aspect of his plagues that makes them so unstoppable but the shadow of warp destroys the magical side of them making them mere illnesses. Also, they were not plagues tailored to the tyranids they were just a handful of plagues his daemons had lying around.
>>43887244
I like these ones :(
>>43887252
You can color them any color you want. The important part is coloring the symbols, and the heads of the veterans, gray, since for a Tau army those represent the sept
>>43887269
after measuring the Dreadnought the dude in the video can only have used 5mm magnets, not 8mm magnets because those were as big as the ball joint on the arm
>>43887343
Alright, thank you.
Im new to the game and reading through the rules, am i getting this right? Taking a cover save negates your armor/invuln? Instead of in addition too? Isnt that, you know, weird?
>>43887362
In the codex you can find the guide to which parts you need to color that way, since the way to paint it is different if the model is a private, a veteran or a commander
>>43887376
You take the best save available to you. If you have a 2+ cover and a 5+ armour, you take the cover save.
>>43887376
No, you always take the best save available. If the cover save is a 3+ and your armour is 4+, you take the 3+ cover save.
>>43887376
If you have a 2+ armour save and a 3+ cover save how the fuck are you suppose to kill anything?
You get one save of your choice, pick the lowest.
>>43887376
you either dodge the bullet or endure the bullet or mumbo jumbo the bullet away, but bullet is fast so you only have time to do one
>>43887388
>>43887389
Yeah, i get that. But Why would taking cover strip you of your other defenses? You dont need to peel off your armor to hide behind a wall
Its just a really weird mechanic to me.
What's the cove save of the Tidewall?
>>43887399
Balance
A model with a good armour save, a powerful invulnerable and standing in strong cover would be nigh impossible to kill with ranged attacks
>>43887399
Not as strange as you think given that there's a difference between elements that gives you cover vs concealments. Most objects can't stop bullets.
>>43887399
I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. It's just the way the system works, you aren't loosing any save you just take the best available. You move into 3+ cover with and armour save of 4+, you now benefit from 3+ cover. But if you get hit by a flamer, you lose the 3+ cover save and now take you armour of 4+ against it.
And this >>43887416
>>43887399
Normally the weapon fired at an AP higher than your armour if you're taking a cover save, so it can be assumed that the mook stuck his head up at the wrong time by failing his cover save
>>43887376
>Isnt that, you know, weird?
From a cinematic perspective, sure. It makes sense that if you're a Space Marine Captain with Power Armour and an Iron Halo, in a ruin, that a shot aimed at you would have to first miss the cover you're sheltering in, then penetrate the forcefield surrounding you, then finally get through your armour.
However for the sake of gameplay it doesn't work that way because it would make stuff a lot more survivable. So instead you just take the highest save you have.
Although on a related topic, given how focused 40K has become upon alpha strike, and how bad defensive play is, it might be interesting to see how the game would play if you did get access to your cover, armour and invil saves all together.
>>43887416
Yeah, instead, models with high T and many W are nigh impossible to kill and Monstrous Creature vehicles rule the game.
Cover
Cover is something that’s reinforced with concrete, steel, or earth that can block, absorb, or deflect small arms fire.
Concealment
Concealment is any surface that obscures you from your attacker. It can be something as simple as a hedgerow of bushes or even a door.
>>43887269
That's pretty cool, thanks for sharing!
I'll have to give that a try when I get a Dunewalker.
>>43887399
Would you imagine how long would a game be otherwise? Shooting 100 times against a unit of Space Marines (meaning that you have to roll hundreds of dices to hit and wound) would kill only a really low number of models if they could take 2 or 3 saves, which would make shooting in most cases useless and would make the game last even hours more
>>43887424
I might suggest trying that with a friend. We both think the power levels with some armies have gotten out of hand.
How's this for a house rule regarding saves:
>armour, invulnerable and cover can all be taken
>invun saves given by AoE type effects can be taken while in cover, but at a -1 modifier
The second one is to represent the field bubble not covering so well in confined/cluttered places
Also:
>any unit a that sufferers a Blind test, or passes a save from an item that causes blind tests (such as the Refractor Field) suffers -1 to cover saves if the game is under the effects of Night Fighting
>>43887427
Agreed
But it'd be even worse if that Riptide could have his 2+ armour, his 5+ invuln, his 4+ ruins cover and finally his 5+ FNP
>>43887438
Huh? I play Green Tide and games don't take that long.
Allowing models to take all their saves wouldn't slow things down much more. Of course it would add a bit more time, but really not that much.
20 Fire Warriors shoot at Marines behind standard cover. They roll to hit and wound as per normal. They cause 10 wounds. The Marines roll their cover save (5+) and make 2 saves. They then roll their armour saves (3+) and make 5 of them. 3 Marines fall over.
That's only one additional step compared to what we have now.
>>43887445
I'm actually interested in trying it out myself. The issue I think is that the top tier armies are the ones that also have access to Ignore Cover and AP1/2 weapons in copious armounts, meaning that this change would mean very little to the stuff they're shooting at, but it would make them even harder to kill. A Stormsurge in Ruins with a Shield Generator would be virtually invulnerable to an army like Orks or Chaos.
Would a game balanced around 4-5 models like a herohammer equivalent with tons of environmental damage possibilities make being able to take all armour saves balanced?
>>43887474
Not with the current ruleset, because that gameplay would favour tooled up beatsticks. Some armies, like DE, IG and Orks, simply can't build beatsticks.
>>43887450
Of course, this is realising that it adds a MASSIVE amount to working through shooting
Adding caveats that
>cover is divided into Cover and Concealment
>Cover is negated by AP
>concealment is ablative, each game turn that a unit in concealment is the target of a shooting attack, the cover save conferred is reduced by one
And
>monstrous creatures suffer a -1 penalty to cover saves if stationary in its movement phase, and a -2 penalty if it moved. Gargantuan cannot take cover saves conferred by cover (but can take cover saves conferred by stealth in open terrain, Psychic powers, AOE effects, etc
honestly, MCs and gargantuans shouldn't be able to take cover saves from simply being in area terrain, like their vehicle and super heavy counterparts
>>43887462
Actually on average, after to hit and to wound and taking both saves, only 1 marine should fall over, so if the game goes on to it's maximum number of turns the 20 fire warriors would not be able to destroy the marine squad even if they took no losses.
>>43887462
It's not only a problem of the additional step (that, anyway, repeated every shooting add a fair bit of time), but also a problem of number of models that survive. Let's say that you want to eliminate a unit because it's camping on an objective. It would take many more attacks to destroy it or make it run away from the objective
>>43887511
I't a big crater.
>>43887493
Then make it so that you can't take wargear, basic loadouts only.
>>43887521
>>43887524Maybe you should assault them
Should cover just should be a penalty to BS?
>>43887531
>fire warriors
>assaulting
Next thing you're going to tell me is that orks are good in melee.
>>43887524
Yes, it would make many models more survivable against some shooting. That's the point; 40K right now is massively geared towards offensive power over defensive.
As I said, the issue is that this would not fix the current game because the top tier armies just ignore cover and armour saves to a large extent. The army that would probably rise the most from this change would be Chaos because standard MEQ units would get a significant increase in survivability.
>>43887530
Tyranids probably become ungodly powerful, because MCs have fantastic baseline stats if wargear doesn't come into the equation.
>>43887551
Damn Fire Warriors killed my Gorkanaut in close combat.
>>43887551
>Next thing you're going to tell me is that orks are good in melee.
Why must you hurt me so, anon
>>43887551
They are just slightly below average. They become little terrors vs walkers and tanks, if equiped with EMP grenades.
>>43887573Because I take out my frustration of orks being so shit by shitposting in the thread to remind everyone else of it.
>>43887544
Maybe. Have invulns and armor saves stack, but cover saves just be a BS penalty. Terminators suddenly become more resistant to small arms fire.
>>43887586
Which is more than can be said for orks!
>>43887592
It is really pathetic how a squad of terminators can get mulched by fucking guardsman
>>43887606
Don't assume the guard squads are all hurr-durrs. All armies should be considered as skilled strike-forces rather than generic mobs anyway.
Like the books where skilled individuals pop up to beat the odds with acts of incredible marksmanship and quick-thinking, so it happens on the board too.
>>43887400
4+ like all defense lines. I think you get a 2+ cover save when going to ground as well, although that might have just been the Aegis defence line's special rule.
>>43887706
Nope, it's all defense lines.
>>43887606
Bring back modifiers.
2e durrminators had 3+ on 2d6 save, lasguns had no modifiers so they were 6 times tougher against them.
>>43887954
The problem with a 2D6 save is you have to roll them one by one. Imagine having to do that against a round of FRFSRF lasgun shooting. Just give them a 2+ rerollable against anything AP6 or worse, the probability of failure is identical (1/36).
>>43887977
>>43887954
>>43887606
Why are you focusing on making them invulnerable to lasguns when the abundance of ap2 is the problem?
>fucking bullshit one of the 19 lasgun shots killed a terminator!
>while the plasma vets rapid fire 6 shots in to the other 4 killing them all
"why don't you just take storm shields?"
Why don't you just take bikes? They shouldn't need to take shields to make up for their worthless armour.
>>43887606
>Why can't my units be instant win buttons!
>>43888006
When the metal boxes are tougher than the terminators theres an issue
>>43886704
Dude Tyranids fleets have been destroyed by toxin for as long as I can remember. The big deal with Tyranids adapting is that usually those poisons can be used just one time and they have to kill every tyranid as fast as possible, because otherwise if even a bioship survive that ship will become immune and also start vomiting that poison back at you.
Nurgle plague don't work because of both the warp element that is stopped by the Shadow in the Warp and the fact that Nurgle plagues are rarely of the "kill everyone as fast as possible kind", and more of the "the entire hive become as sick as possible while still remaning alive or become a zombie", which allows Tyranids the time to evolve contermeasures.
>>43885302
Bumping question
>>43883454
>a box of HH-starter kit
> fits pre-heresy
Sure does fit, since they are pre-heresy stuff.
Sorry for biting on the b8
>>43888111
Are plaguebearers worth bringing? It feels like nurglings are superior tarpitters/objective campers. Are they worth the points bringing a pack of 20 led by a plaguebearer with the FNP locus?
>>43888127
didnt mean to reply
>>43887990
>Why are you focusing on making them invulnerable to lasguns when the abundance of ap2 is the problem?
You sound like this is a clash with the fluff, when it clearly isn't.
Terminator armour is powerful against certain enemies, but against dedicated anti armour, like Plasma, they melt like anything else. This is the same as it has always been. Remember Space Hulk? Genestealers are noted to cut through terminator armour as if it wasn't even there.
I think some of you people are putting a bit too much value into the terminator armour.
The only thing I agree with, is that anything under a certain level of strength or Armour penetration should grant a reroll to the terminator 2+ armour. It is impervious to small arms fire, and 2+ does not reflect that. Plasma weaponry has always been a problem for Terminators, both in fluff and in crunch, no need to change that.
Can someone give me a tl;dr of montka? Don't want to suffer through another tau wank
>>43887424
just think of it this way: the flying bullet is strong enough to ignore all weak protections on its way, so only your best protection has a chance to negate the bullet.
It is like having a piece of paper, a peace of wood and a steel plate in a line and firing through them. Paper and wood will be ignored by the projectile but the steel plate might stop it.
So if you wear a T-Shirt and stand behind a wall and the bullet comes through the wall, then it is useless to throw the shirt protection.
If you wear power armour in the same situation and the bullet still flies through the wall, then the armour has a chance of protecting you.
If the wall is hard enough to stop the projectile, then you don't need to save with either T-shirt or power armour.
>>43888127
No, not really. They are too slow and are actually pretty fragile in CC (5++ even with FNP just isn't good when Demonic Instability is on the line.)
>>43888168
Space pope lied, people died
>>43888168
-Imperium invades and has initial superiority.
-Shadowsun is too focused protecting the Old -Man and commits a strategical mistakes that almost get her forces crushed.
-Suddenly...Mont'ka, Farsight comes to the rescue.
-Enclave and Tau Empire join forces.
-Imperium sends assassin. Only the Culexus succeeds and kills Aun'va.
-Tau trolls Imperium with Weather Control Device.
-IG and Marines forces butt-fucked by Farsight and Shadowsun alliance.
-Admech and Skittarii do their own thing stealing Tau tech and blatantly abandoning the IG and marines as soon as they got some shinny toy.
-Retreat!
-Imperium says fuck it and leaves. Pask almost got killed.
-Clacking Admech Priest launches magical torpedo superweapon that kills 50% (including baneblades, Titans, geneseeds, Knights) of the surviving retreating forces, kills everyone in the northern hemisphere outside a bunker or a shieldome, and burst in "flames" the entire Damocles Gulf. With the Damocles Gulf in "flames". Damocles Gulf becomes a no man's land.
-Tau begin to research ways to bypass the firewall more safely and better FTL, replace their leader with an hologram controlled by AI.
-Farsight goes back to Enclave when suddenly Tyranids.
Admech are dicks.
>>43888168
I'm more sad about all the imperium wank that mont'ka bought along with it.
>>43888286
Didnt the imperium get spanked?
>>43883454
there is no problem with that, CSM use older equipment anyways and you can always say, they just arrived from a warp accident 10k years later. You might also play them as loyalists for the same reason.
I do the same thing with the first legion which allows me to play the models in 30k and 40k SM or CSM.Thanks Luther for giving me that choice and thanks GW for the Consecrators which allows me to play 40 loyalists in old armour without warp accident excuse
>>43888290
Admech are the only winners, really.
>>43883454
The short answer? Do what you want. If you are going for lore friendly, no.
40k emperors children are incredibly corrupt like all the other traitor legions. They lost their elegance ten thousand years ago. If however you want to do a 30k emperor's children army, go for it. You can still play them in 40k games no problem.
>>43888275
>the entire Damocles Gulf in "flames"
wat
>>43888290
Yeah, but
>MUH IMPERIUM
>LOSES EVERYTHING, BUT STILL WINS BECAUSE DROP IN THE WATER HURR DURR
Honestly, Tau PLAYERS are annoying, but Tau hasn't been annoying in this trilogy so far. The only annoying people have been the imperial faggots who consistently shit up every single forum with their "IMPERIAL SUPERIORITY!!!!11!!!" every time, denying any and all setbacks as fine and acceptable, and the ever present "W-we could totally beat them if we wanted to! W-we just don't think they are worth the attention!"
Seriously, people want grimdark, but whenever bad shit happens, imperial faggots are the first to claim nothing bad happened anyway. I think some of these people don't understand how 40k works, and somehow thinks the imperium is far more badass than it actually is.
And I have no affiliation with either faction, I just find it far more easy to stomach the tau wank than the imperial wank.
>>43888325
The Admech apparently had a warhead capable of setting space on fire. That's metal.
>>43888340
Makes you wonder why they don't use that to stop Tyranids. Seems more reasonable than just issuing exterminatus on several planets to keep the food away from them.
>>43888347
The vibe I got was that it was something of a rarity, that a magos sent there to be used because he's a dick like that.
>>43888333
>Faction whose entire shtick is callously marching billions of soldiers to their doom to sell their lives for the Empra
>Salty bitch tears ever single time they get their purity seal knocked slightly ajar
>>43888333
to be fair they just quoting what's written in every Tau vs Imps book
>>43888375
Not really.
A first founding chapter master getting killed being a drop in the water is a blatant lie, and the fact that they had to resort to cutting off the entire zone, using a rare weapon that would have made a lot more sense to use against, say, Tyranids, indicates that the Imperium thinks that Tau are a bigger threat than the Tyranids.
Or maybe it just indicates that the Imperium is full of dumb as fuck retards, because the first time they found the Tau, they were a backwater planet far away from space travel tech, and a few thousand years later, they are now a match against titan legions. Giving them more time seems like a hilariously bad idea.
>>43888361
Yeah, my first thought as the Imperial commander would be "Why did they even BRING that thing?"
Seems like they just wanted an excuse to test that shit out seeing as there aren't any reports of other systems being set on fire.
>>43888399
>indicates that the Imperium thinks that Tau are a bigger threat than the Tyranids.
>use a weapons against nids that they can bypass
>use against ANY other group in the setting that could easily bypass it
I swear you shitposters aren't even trying anymore.
in one of the last threads assault from deepstrike was discussed and someone mentioned Dark Eldar can pull it off.
Now I'm curious, cuz my Commorite degenerates could use a buff against some of the more oppressive armies in my local meta, but I can't find anything in the codex or the Coven supplement about it.
Was there some kind of WD formation, or some pay to win shit that I missed?
>>43888399
Well to be fair, they've developed to the point where there is a faction of "Fuck how you guys are doing things, we're going to make our own Tau Empire with more punching shit". Give them a bit more time and they'll have a full on Horus Heresy/Fall of Eldar where some Tau start wanking over some gay ass technology.
>>43888401
That's easily something I can see a high ranking magos do.
Hmm, I wonder how I could set space on fire. Better get to work.
>>43888435
Maybe a Warp-based weapon. It would be a good reason why they haven't use it against Abaddon.
>>43888409
>use a weapons against nids that they can bypass
Nids can bypass it just as well as Tau can.
>>43888421
Which is actually a build up I am looking very much forward to. I know it is unlikely to escalate to that point, but I love the whole implementation of the AI in literally everything. Their best training instructor is an AI, they leader is an AI, half their forces is AI...
Shit's gonna hit the fan at some point, and it is gonna hit it HARD.
Yeah, except for losing Space Pope, the Tau scored a landslide victory here. Repelling a numerically superior foe through superior tactics and technology.
Then the imperials fire-bombed their own lost planet, doing more damage to their own civilians (It's a fucking hive world, they must have killed billions of humans with that stunt compared to a couple straggler tau cadres who weren't in the capital) and... Incoherent space magic nonsense barrier, that the Tau are already almost immediately getting results in bypassing. Minor inconvenience when they coulda fired that irreplaceable archeotech missile at a hive fleet, or the Cadian Gate if Cadia is ever overrun.
And because holograms, it doesn't even matter they lost Space Pope. Heck, given that he was a manipulitiave cunt with schemes inside schemes for his society involving selling countless Tau lives, this is arguably a net gain.
>>43888466
>YFW drones attain equal rights through peaceful demonstration.
>>43888151
>I think some of you people are putting a bit too much value into the terminator armour.
More like GW is putting too many points in to it. Why don't they make it cost less than a bike then?
Making them basically invulnerable to small arms fire would punish the guy who brought the cool but unoptimized army while doing nothing to deter the WAAC with the 3 plasma vets and twin vendettas, It's not a real solution to anything.
>>43888541
If youre bringing termies you also have a cool but unoptimized army
>>43888468
The imperium definitely went full retard this time, but you are forgetting that a billion human lives means nothing to the wider imperium.
I think the final line says something about Shadowsun recovering from the wound but growing weaker. Did the Callidus inject her with something?She might end up forever in the cabin of a Ghostkeel.
>>43883333
>our missles will blot out the son
So, what's the purpose of Razorbacks? Just Rhinos with extra dakka?
>>43888617
What is it with female commanders and callidus assassins?
>>43888651
They cost more, carry less and have no firing points.
But you can slap lascannons and plasma on the cheap so theres that. Id rather have a rhino with plasma tacticals over the one lascannon box
New Orky chapter tactics in the style of Age of Sigmar
Goffs
>At the start of the match challenge your opponent to an arm wrestle
>if you win you get to chose who deploys first
>if you accidentally break something on an opponents model whilst inspecting it, it looses that piece of wargear
>Nobs also become troop choices (only vanillia)
Bad Moons
>each game turn you can you have the option to reroll a single dice (D3 or D6) or force your opponent to reroll a single dice. However, you must pay to use this option with a single human tooth.
>if, after the game at any point, the tooth is found to not be a genuine human tooth, you must repaint your army.
Deffskulls
>At the end of any game where YOU are the sole victor, pick one vehicle, or in the case of Tau, Eldar or Grey Knights, 1 Vehicle, monstrous creature, or gargantuan creature. The model representing this unit now belongs to you. Immediately paint it blue. You can now field this unit in the same battlefield role as the army it was originally from. In the case of Dedicated Transports, any unit that can take a transport can take this new model instead.
>Looted wagons are now dedicated transports for any unit that can take a trukk.
Would you play against my homebrew /tg/?
>>43888689
>if you accidentally break something on an opponents model whilst inspecting it, you get your ass kicked
FTFY
>>43888689
>>if you accidentally break something on an opponents model whilst inspecting it, it looses that piece of wargear
>you must pay to use this option with a single human tooth.
>The model representing this unit now belongs to you.
>Would you play against my homebrew /tg/?
>>43888705
>implying wargamers are violent people
>>43888716
>implying I'm not
>>43888333
What the imperifags like to forget is that the imperium is constantly fighting a losing battle from all sides. There is literally no single good outcome for humankind in this universe. It's either be assimilated, eaten, sacrificed or annihilated.
I know all this and I personally love the imperial forces, I play guard, sisters and marines for fucks sake.
>>43888689
>Oh no anon, I thought your rules where pretty cool. I didn't mean to run my lawn mower over your ork models
>>43888617
What is this idiotic Shadowsun trapped in a Ghostkeel forever meme and why do I keep seeing it repeated everywhere?
>>43888689
The bit with the arm wrestling sounds fun, and the Nobs as troops isn't bad, but I'm not so sure about all the other rules.
>>43888730
You arent worthy of the guard. Losing ground and holding pride is for the space marines. We as normal men and women have held the lines and emperor willing, you damn be sure that we will hold it down for another 40k years.
>>43888741
>Calling things you dont like memes
>>43888466
>Nids can bypass it just as well as Tau can.
Tau can't, period, because their ftl brings them back into realspace too quickly.
Nids create gravity wormholes connected via stars. Something like the plasma wall would not stop nids in the slightest, outside forcing them to hop a little further to skirt the wall entirely.
I have a question, I know this is outdated and back to 6th edition, but why in the allies chart does it say that tau are battle brothers with space marines and eldars?
Are there any examples of this?
>>43888751
>wanting to see neckbeards all over the land arm wrestling in game shops
>>43888807
Bullshit.
The Tyranids in shield of Baal were affected by the death ice region in Shield of Baal.
They adapted to survive it but they were ravaged by it,
>>43888829
Also the Tau invented a shield that allows their ships to travel through it.
That anon has no idea what he is talking about.
>>43888763
I'm calling it a "Meme" because it's been persistently showing up in random places wherever I go on the internet for a month.
Like someone following me around for a month choking himself with a yoyo string whilst screaming CHECK OUT MY COOL YOYO TRICK until I acknowledge him.
Best weapons for a Devastator Squad?
>>43888821
>but why in the allies chart does it say that tau are battle brothers with space marines and eldars?
The idea was that they were "showing them an example of the greater good" in an attempt to convert them.
It was a bad idea, lol.
They should have been Allies of Convenience at best, even Desperate considering that Sisters weren't Battle Brothers with most of the non-Codex SM Chapters like Wolves / Blood Angels / GKs.
I mean go figure even Necrons were allies of convenience with GKs.
>>43888903
Just take one of each and a lightning claw on the sergeant.
>>43888835
Proof or gtfo
>>43888915
>they were "showing them an example
who showing whom converting whom?
>>43888903
Always depends on the target, but can't go wrong with the heavy bolter if you're looking for general fire support.
Plasma probably has the best statline in that it can take on both vehicles and troops with good Str / AP, but scattering and getting hot is a thing. Don't let that stop you from using it though.
Keep in mind Devs are usually a stationary unit. They need good LOS wherever you end up putting them.
>>43888927
Wouldn't a powerfist be better?
>>43888942
>who showing whom converting whom?
Tau showing IOM the example of the "greater good."
>>43888948
No no man, single lightning claw on your dev sarge.
Model it as the Talon of Horus and tell your opponents he took it along with Abaddon's lunch money.
>>43888835
You're an idiot
>>43888982
No, I am not. It's like I said they dud invent a shield that allows them to travel through it. They are in the process of perfecting it.
I just thought of a way how things could have been better for the Imperials. In the Night Lord series Talos cranked up the volume on his vox caster to 11 and screamed as loud as he could at some people in a space station. It didn't end too well for them. If every marine did that to the Tau things would have been different.
>>43889007
Yeah, almost immediately having a prototype means this is a trivial annoyance rather than a real issue.
Plus, the tests are almost certainly drone piloted, given that Tau are only lightly sprinkled with Grimdark instead of full blown grimderp.
The Imperium should really stop trying to use Space Marines against Tau, it never ends well for the Marines.
>>43889023
>>43889007
They aren't near being able to spread this tech through all of their ships and its still in beta. Also, calling something slowly burning away your sector is a bit more then "An annoyance" all tau ships are grounded and can only talk to eachother.
>>43889041
It ended well for the Blood Ravens. There was one Tau who was mad that the Raven Guard was using tactics or maybe it was cover. The problem is that they sent the White Scars and not the Dark Angels. Only when there's a Fallen around would things end badly.
>>43889023
>Tau are only lightly sprinkled with Grimdark instead of full blown grimderp.
>Oh no, we are faced with problem
>lol, oh well, we'll just invet something to fix this
>you imperials are so butt fuked xdxdxxD
>>43889064
>>lol, oh well, we'll just invet something to fix this
That's like 70% of Tau lore.
>>43887416
Why not just make weapons with high strenght penetrate cover?
>>43889118
Yeah, its the shittiest way to solve your problems. No gambling, no lives on the line, no sacrifice. If the tau were the main protagonists, they would be from a very shitty writen fan fiction
I have a box of farseer & warlocks and a box of guardians.
What more do I need to create a starter army for Eldar?
Just do what Talos did and Tau removal will be easier when Tau are writhing in pain because you destroyed their hearing.
>>43889161
>What more do I need to create a starter army for Eldar?
3 Wraith Knights and you're set, obv.
>>43889157
60% of the Tau prototype weapons can kill their users (Riptides, portable Ion cannons, previously the Railguns).
Why you no read Tau lore?
>>43889122
Because "Cover save" covers both having a fucking wall in front of you or dodging bullets faster than Neo (this becomes an Invulnerable save sometimes) so you can't apply your idea until the two types of cover get differentiated.
They should make Large Blasts ignore saves conferred by jinking though.
>>43889161
Another troops choice, dire avengers and jetbikes are both solid (stick to 1 heavy weapon in 3 on the jetbikes to stop people thinking you're a twat). Then some form of antitank is a good next step. Exactly what kind of depends what sort of army you want to build towards (aspect heavy, vehicle heavy, do you think the war walker model looks stupid, etc.). I'd get a fire prism myself.
>>43889186
Yes well when you're done fapping to one scene from a shitty novel, everyone else knows that death metal screaming is only an actual weapon for noise marines.
>>43889189
When do we actually see this happening in the fluff, though? We're told that newer Tau weapons are sometimes dangerous and volatile, but we never actually see it. We never see a Riptide's Nova Reactor failing at the worst moment, while the solid-but-reliable Imperial technology holds firm.
>>43889263
Isn't looking like a teenage girl's bedroom also a weapon?
>>43889278
>>43889189
Are there any tau weapons with a gets hot equivalent?
>>43889286
overcharged ion weapons have gets hot
>>43889286
Their Ion Weapons can be charged up for a more powerful shot, at the risk of the Gets Hot! rule.
